Euro 2008 (Official LOL Vidic Thread)

[The_Passenger]

yet if united or chelsea did it it would not receive this level of criticism!

ronaldo and drogba have never been criticised for diving.

[Pastorius]

They get criticised because they do it obviously and openly, repeatedly.

Gerrard is hardly your trademark diver. While it can't be condoned, it can be understood that Gerrard would choose to go down at that point in the game to salvage a point.

Ronaldo does it at any point in the game almost as a strategy sometimes. He's become a lot better recently to be fair, but still.

[jingledeath]

ronaldo is jack ***.he plays better when he's not busy diving around.last season he scored 42 goals but he didn't dive all that much.his horrendous diving started again this season but now that he's regaining form, he's toned it down again.anyone see his dive against lampard this season?hilarious, even the ref apologized to lamps for giving the foul lol.

[Iai]

hahaha this is still called the boro thread

I'd hardly call the Gerrard incident a dive or compare it to anything Ronaldo des. It's not like he could have stayed on his feet.

[The_Passenger]

No but he didn't have to do his best Willem Defoe impression either.

He's far from the worst at it, but he does seem to do it fairly often and doesn't get much stick, I remember the game at Anfield against Blackburn last season when Andy Gray said Gerrard was 'being intelligent' after diving.

[Iai]

Yeah that actually was a dive. And they were already winning so it really was unforgivable.

[mph4ever]

yeah but he did look lik ehe got hit with this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lzri8dn7p0

[Pastorius]

The reason Gerrard doesn't get much stick for when he dives is because 99% of the time he'll be doing it to highlight another player breaking the rules, like tugging his shirt or deliberately impeding him.

Ronaldo will head into a tackle with the intention to dive.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Does he ****. He dives because he wants to win penalties by cheating. He did the same thing against Marseilles last season. The Ronaldo thing was a joke, but this is hardly an isolated incident for Gerrard, and more importantly it means I am no longer top of my fantasy football league.

[Pastorius]

If you are saying he's on the same scale as Ronaldo you're having a laugh.

[Dave de Sylvia]

No, I just said he wasn't :confused:

[jingledeath]

of course he's not.ronaldo's a better diver and a better player.

[mph4ever]

ronaldo is not a diver, lots of people claimed that but he was never a real diver, not like drogba going over like a sack of potatoes when anyone got within feet of him.

and gerrard is not a diver, hes a cheat

[Pastorius]

Ronaldo is not a diver....I'm sure people could furnish you with many many MANY examples of him diving with no contact and before the player barely starts his challenge.

[mph4ever]

so he goes over easier, hes light on his feet, slightest touch and he might be gone. defenders have to watch out for that these days, what with all these foreigners in the game, but every team has players like that.

you know sometimes players anticipate the contact and make a meal of it

[Pastorius]

But making a meal of no contact at all is just ridiculous.

This season alone I've seen him go over with no contact twice. One time the defender didn't even end up making a challenge and he still got the free kick. Ah well.

We all have players with bad attributes, I guess.

[mph4ever]

i don't like when ronaldo gets fed up being kicked and starts asking the ref for yellow cards, he needs to rise above it, hes got the free and get on with the game

[radtaste]

Even better:

http://i33.tinypic.com/25ujlzq.jpg

He jumps into the opposition player and gets a pen ffs

lolol

You guys make me laugh, stop being so UK-centric already.

In other news, Del Piero is still an absolute gun. Juventus need better players around him though.

[RandyfromPennywise]

Did Birighitti end up playing for Adelaide? Used to play against the kid.

No but Galekovic is no banned from the second-leg, so Birighitti will play. The yellow-card rules are a joke. I think it's two yellows for the entire tournament, so two yellows in 11 games and you miss the second-leg of the final. Asian Confederation is **** and thank goodness that they are cleaning their act up for next season.

i wouldn't say gerrard is the goldenboy of english football

probably rooney at the moment

Have you ever listened to any commentary of any match, anywhere?
yet if united or chelsea did it it would not receive this level of criticism!

United or Chelsea didn't write in their book that people like Carvalho should be banned from the English game for their play-acting.

Gerrard is hardly your trademark diver. While it can't be condoned, it can be understood that Gerrard would choose to go down at that point in the game to salvage a point.

It can be understood? Understood that he goes against everything he's said on the subject etc. etc. Anyway, this is NOT the first blatant dive of Gerrard's career as has been mentioned already. Anyone remember the pen against Sheff Utd on the opening day last year or the year before? Marseille? And many more. He's a fukin wanker fukhead and deserves all the criticism and more.
so he goes over easier, hes light on his feet, slightest touch and he might be gone. defenders have to watch out for that these days, what with all these foreigners in the game, but every team has players like that.

Haha funniest thing said in this thread so far.

So Adelaide got raped last night. Was really, really poor. We missed our two best central-midfielders in the Asian campaign this season - Paul Reid and Fabian Barbiero - and it cost us dearly. Sarkies and Diego can't defend, and they wrre playing defensive midfield. Gamba were technically a level above us, they were quicker, more decisive, just completely dominant. Could've been 5-0.

[TakeWarning]

With all due respect to certain parties, Australian football is pretty much a joke.

[mph4ever]

Haha funniest thing said in this thread so far.


i was going to create an account called ron atkinson and then post it

[RandyfromPennywise]

With all due respect to certain parties, Australian football is pretty much a joke.

Yeah, see, that's where you're wrong. i was going to create an account called ron atkinson and then post it I'll be Desailly!

[mph4ever]

bonjour marcel

[talk show host]

Doyle's signed a new contract, thank **** for that.

[Dave de Sylvia]

I said the same thing about Ronaldo!

[RandyfromPennywise]

I said the same thing about Lampard!

('Cause Lamps is better than Ronaldo.)

[RandyfromPennywise]

Here's my Fantasy team:

Čech
Ćorluka McShane Laursen
Denílson Arteta Lampard (C) Ronaldo Geovanni
Defoe Zaki

Schwarzer Figueroa Cresswell Kompany

Kompany benched because of suspension.

Going with Lamps as captain because he scores frequently against Blackburn. But Ronnie will probably score two against the hapless Arsehole so yeah.

[TakeWarning]

Yeah, see, that's where you're wrong. I'll be Desailly!

Seriously? The A-League is fecking rubbish. I don't know about SA but the game in WA is worse off today than it was 20 years ago.

[mph4ever]

come on you spurs

great to see, love a strong spurs

[Dave de Sylvia]

Too much genius behind this link:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1103/1225523317105.html

"The team was happy with the news about Beckham, but what people don't know is that we'll also have George Clooney as coach and Brad Pitt as assistant manager."

- Kakha Kaladze looks forward to the arrival of Beckham at Milan.

[Happy]

You guys swear too much, I have no idea what's going on in the previous page thanks to school filtering.

[mph4ever]

i didn't think there were that many swear words apart from gerrard and lampard

[jingledeath]

http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=950269
has anyone seen this article?specifically for livp fans.
"Hypocrisy, thy name is 'Pool." lol

[Pastorius]

Meh, I don't condone it but it got us a draw. And we deserved more than that from the game anyway. Really need to sort out our finishing. Come back Torres!

[jingledeath]

'pool have yet to hit their best.They need Keane to get his form back.If that happens then teams are in for some real ****.
Also I think, tomorrow Manu are going down 2-1 or 3-1 at the Emirates (I'm a united fan btw).

[Dave de Sylvia]

Keane hasn't lost his form, he's just not being used properly. He isn't big enough or strong enough to make a lot of chances for himself, yet for half the game yesterday they were booting long balls to him as if he was Torres, or else he was dropping back to the half-way line in search of a pass.

Liverpool may still be getting results but they desperately need Torres back and Benitez needs to make the decision on his midfield that he's so far been able to avoid making.

[Happy]

Meh, I don't condone it but it got us a draw. And we deserved more than that from the game anyway. Really need to sort out our finishing. Come back Torres!

Who gives a toss if it got you a draw, players should never ever dive like that.

[Pastorius]

As if Gerrard is the only player that dives like that though.

His being outspoken about diving makes him a hypocrite, but to be honest he's not paid to be an upstanding moral guy, he's paid to help Liverpool do the best they can.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Yeah but our basic gripe is that he is a cheater. Which you haven't denied. Therefore I can only assume that we agree!

[poorquality]

Is torres playing this weekend? Anyone know

[Pastorius]

Well it's not quite cheating, but basically every player in the game dives at some point, so I don't know what your point is.

[Happy]

Any player who dives like that should get match bans, I don't care who does it. If it was a Spurs player it would still piss me off.

[Pastorius]

If every player who dived like that got match bans then a hell of a lot of players would get banned. I think most people are angrier than usual is because it won a penalty. I've seen way worse dives than that in the box, at least there was some contact in this one! The amount of players that go down in the box would leave teams with no players.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Well it's not quite cheating, but basically every player in the game dives at some point, so I don't know what your point is.
I'm not sure what else you would call pretending to be fouled in order to get an advantage.

I mean plenty of people dive but lots don't. I think we can still give players the benefit of the doubt and still enforce bans for blatant diving. But it won't happen.

[AA-12]

I'm not sure what else you would call pretending to be fouled in order to get an advantage.


It's not really "cheating" though. It's just a part of sports in general.

note: i haven't been to this thread in quite a few pages so i dont even know the real topic. im just chiming in for that.

[Pastorius]

It depends who is doing the banning and when.

Retroactive banning would result in a hell of a lot of bans if they cracked down on all of them.

Is exaggerating a challenge in order to get a foul the same as diving then? Because near enough every player does that.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Well if it's a foul, it's a foul. When it is just a dishonest attempt to get a penalty when you know full well that no foul has been committed, then you're just a cheater.

Cheating may be part of sport but it doesn't make it right.

[Pastorius]

Pretty much if you stay on your feet these days, you won't get a foul. So people dive, simple as.

So diving in the box is worse than diving anywhere else? Everyone does it, start banning people and you will have no teams left. It's worth the risk.

I don't know what you count as a foul, sometimes people just have a leg out and the diving player will brush against it and fall over. Technically a foul but still a dive, what's your view on that?

[Dave de Sylvia]

Well if somebody fouls you you have a right to go over. That's not what a dive is.

And of course diving in the box is worse than diving anywhere else- why wouldn't it be?

It depends on the situation- if they could have easily avoided it, then it shouldn't be a free kick, but if the player needs to go out of their way to avoid it then I don't see why it wouldn't be a foul.

[Iai]

Don't forget also that a lot of players go down when they're tackled, before impact, because it means they're far less likely to get injured.

This has nothing to do with Gerro though.

[Pastorius]

Well if somebody fouls you you have a right to go over. That's not what a dive is.

And of course diving in the box is worse than diving anywhere else- why wouldn't it be?

It depends on the situation- if they could have easily avoided it, then it shouldn't be a free kick, but if the player needs to go out of their way to avoid it then I don't see why it wouldn't be a foul.

Well a cheat is a cheat wherever he does it on the pitch.

What about when people leave a trailing leg and players run into it on purpose as an excuse to go down. I see that as diving but you wouldn't I guess. It does depend on the situation, but a player will never easily avoid a foul (in the box at least). Sometimes, and they get massive props for staying up, but rarely.

[Iai]

Actually now I think about it I think I hate the complaining more, after somebody goesdown and doesn't get a free kick. If people dived and got nothing, and then just got up, that'd be okay with me.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Well a cheat is a cheat wherever he does it on the pitch.
But it's worse if it's in a vital area.

Trailing leg depends on the situation, but if you leave a trailing leg you take the risk. My point is that a foul is when you obstruct somebody unfairly and they shouldn't have to go out of their way to avoid it, otherwise they are worse off as a result.

[Pastorius]

I don't think it's worse exactly, just that in vital areas the ramifications are worse if the foul is given.

We're on the same page pretty much I think, trailing leg, take the risk.

[RandyfromPennywise]

Non-Australians stop reading now |
Seriously? The A-League is fecking rubbish. I don't know about SA but the game in WA is worse off today than it was 20 years ago.

Dude Adelaide United are in the final of the Asian Champions League. It's the best thing to happen to the sport in this state in the last eight thousand years.

Adelaide City in their glory years, with Tobin, Foster, Milan Ivanović, Robbie Zabica, Vidmar and that, they were great teams, but what AUFC are doing is beyond any of that.

The A-League is not 'fecking rubbish', I mean maybe in WA it seems like it because, with all due respect, Perth are a joke and have been since the A-League began, but further east there is some good football at times, and generally it's worth watching. I don't know anything about WA, but for the whole of Australia, football is the fastest growing sport and things are generally looking pretty positive in most areas.

End of non-English talk|

Back on to English, as that's the only country that counts in terms of football. I believe that to 'dive' it needs to be premeditated. Not to the point where it's "this tackle, I'm going to dive", but to the point where it is on your mind - where diving is something that you will contemplate during the game. If it's not there in the front of your mind, to react to a tackle and dive cannot look like it isn't staged - most of the time you would be able to tell it was a dive. So for me, it is a whole mindset. Gerrard saw that contact coming and made up his mind that he was going to dive. It's a mindset, a mindset that you are going to dive at some point which you deem appropriate and suitable.

And I am not biased towards my own team in terms of diving. I hate Arjen Robben fiercely, and he played for my team for three years. What Cristiano did for Adelaide United on friday night was also a disgrace. I will never endorse simulation in any form. FIFA Fair Play.

[sgrevs]

I agree in that there is some good football in the A-League, I would predict that its up to the level of top of League One/Bottom of Championship in England, but perhaps that's being a bit optomistic. It is definitely going in the right direction though, and will continue to grow and improve.

[jingledeath]

anyone care to share their predictions for today's matches?

[RandyfromPennywise]

Arsehole v United 1-1
Wigan v Stoke City 2-1
Hull City v Bolton 3-1
Sunderland v Portsmouth 1-1
West Ham v Everton 1-1
Liverpool v West Brom 1-0
Blackburn v Chelsea 0-4
Aston Villa v Middlesbrough 3-1
Man City v Tottenham 2-2
Fulham v Newcastle 0-0

Barcelona v Valladolid 3-0

Hamburg v Dortmund 2-1

Monaco v Lyon 0-2

Celtic v Motherwell 3-1

Cobh Ramblers v Bohemians 1-1

Red Star Belgrade v Vojvodina Novi Sad 2-0

Gamba Osaka v FC Tokyo 1-3

Queensland Roar v Melbourne Victory 1-2

Reading v Derby 2-0

[jingledeath]

I'm getting this vibe that Arsenal's gonna win today.2-1 or 1-0 or maybe even 3-1
Wigan Stoke 2-0 Zaki scoring both, man's a ****ing steam roller
Hull-Bolton draw
Sunderland-Portsmouth 1-2
Westham-Everton 2-1
Liverpool-Westbrom 3-0
Blackburn-Chelsea 0-3 another Anelka hattrick lol
Villa-Borogh 3-1
Man City-Spurs 3-2
Fulham-Newcastle 1-2

[jingledeath]

Real Madrid-Malaga 2-2
Barcelona-Valladolid 4-0

Bologna-Roma 1-2

[The_Passenger]

Arsenal 1-1 Man Utd
Wigan 2-1 Stoke
Hull 1-0 Bolton
Sunderland 1-1 Portsmouth
West Ham 1-0 Everton
Liverpool 3-0 West Brom
Blackburn 1-3 Chelsea
Aston Villa 2-0 Middlesbrough
Man City 3-2 Spurs
Fulham 0-0 Newcastle

and of course the most important of the lot

Plymouth 1-1 Charlton

as for the predos for other countries I reckon that Real and Barca will win without too much discomfort, in fact I reckon all of the better Spanish teams will win (Valencia, Sevilla etc) As for calcio I reckon last year's top 4 will all win, can see Milan being held to a draw though.

[poorquality]

The arsenal vs united game is amazing at the moment, end to end, really pacy etc, I'm not too mad we're 1-0 down at the moment, my only frustration is the amount of chances we've missed, it could be like 4-3 at half time.

[808]

Holy crap, Arsenal are actually beating United?

[poorquality]

Meh we lost 2-1, t'was a really entertaining game though, chances at both ends, Arsenal took more of theirs than we did simply as, fair play to 'em.

Though...Rafaels goal <3 easilly the best goal of the game. Showed Neville how to do it :P (Neville tried the same sort of finish twice before he was taken off)

[mph4ever]

neville is a spent force, we need to move on.

we were by far the better team for most of the game but football doesn't allow for not taking you chances. on another day could have 4 or 5. 1 point from 3 away games to our rivals, not a good return

[Pastorius]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah unlucky

[Dave de Sylvia]

There was no unlucky about it, we just weren't good enough. No offense to any Arsenal fans here, but any top team should be disappointed with less than a win at the Emirates.

[The_Passenger]

gary neville is pretty rubbish, i'm struggling to understand how he got picked ahead of rafael

man utd were the better team by a small margin in open play but they didn't take their chances, which arsenal did. i was expecting it to be the other way round. i imagine chelsea/liverpool fans will be happy with this result.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Gary Neville is supposed to be a big game player, hence why he was picked against Chelsea, but he was is still a long way from being as good as he used to be and he wasn't that good to begin with. I don't know why Wes Brown has been ostracised (probably Fergie punishing him for last season's shenanigans) but Rafael looks like he will be the real deal in a year or two. In the meantime Brown is the only option at right-full.

[talk show host]

What happened with Brown last season? I've been surprised he's not been playing too. It seems like a waste of a sub with Neville because Fergie always seems to be replacing him at the moment.

[Dave de Sylvia]

He refused to sign a new contract until he was offered more money, though there were rumours he wanted a move. Which was kind of hilarious since Ferguson had stood by him for years when most top managers would have sold him to Wigan or something.

I moved Cisse into my fantasy team at the last minute and he scores within 3 minutes! XD

edit: Upson looks like he's in a spot of bother

[jingledeath]

hey hey my manu arsenal prediction was correct.damn me for being accurate.
good game.lack of penetration up front did us in in the end.damn it, rooney's good run of form had to just up and vanish.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Holy ****, West Ham - Everton's been a horrific game for 80 minutes, then Saha turns around and creates a goal for Lescott from nothing and then bags 2 himself within about 3 minutes. Ridiculous.

[Iai]

The guy commentating on that game on SSN looked pretty much disconsolate that West Ham lost.

Did anyone else watch that, incidentally? How terrifying is Jeff Stelling's James Brown toy?

[2muchket!]

That was truly hilarious when he pulled out that thing.

[TakeWarning]

He refused to sign a new contract until he was offered more money, though there were rumours he wanted a move. Which was kind of hilarious since Ferguson had stood by him for years when most top managers would have sold him to Wigan or something.

I moved Cisse into my fantasy team at the last minute and he scores within 3 minutes! XD

edit: Upson looks like he's in a spot of bother

Haha, wow.

I've never seen why Fergie hasn't replaced him; he doesn't offer much going forward, error-prone at the back.

[Echleon]

Haha, wow.

I've never seen why Fergie hasn't replaced him; he doesn't offer much going forward, error-prone at the back.

Rafael looks a great prospect though.

Brilliant cameo and goal yesterday and has put in some good performances this season the CL and EPL.

Neville should have been subbed at half time, Nasri was tearing him apart and he just couldn't keep up with him.

[RandyfromPennywise]

Lampard what a twat, having a go at Vinnie Grella. Grella shows his class and offers the hand and Lampard continues on with the unwarranted handbags. Vinnie came out of that looking much better than Frank.

I still love Frank. I just love Vinnie more.

[E sharp]

Yeh i saw that. Grella offered at least 3 times to shake.

Come on spurs

e: thanks dunne

[Happy]

Wow the ref in the Spurs match is card-happy.

[2muchket!]

SUPPPPPPPAAAAAAAAA TUNCAY SANNNNNLI

****ing get in there my son

[Happy]

Bent's better.

[2muchket!]

Pft he was certainly better than Alves today. He had a shocker tbh.

[Happy]

Still victories for both of us.

lets go to the e-pub and get drunk.

[Pastorius]

Sound domination by the 'pool, happy with that. Great to see Keano getting his first league goals, he looked great, so lively. Also good to see Torres back on.

United Arsenal was a great game.

[mph4ever]

boro and spurs are getting results. pity about their poor starts but there is plenty of time left

[Echleon]

I don't think Hughes will be in a job much longer. He is a decent manager, but Shitty's owner seems to want big names and success fast.

What has happened to Villa? They looked like really pushing for 4th/5th this season but they seem to have just fallen away as of late.

[The_Passenger]

Aston Villa were never pushing for 4th.

They are still a good shout for 5th though. They could probably lose 9/10 games and still finish 5th with some degree of comfort.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Nah, Villa were never really in line for 4th, not with the improvement Liverpool have made. The Newcastle result was a disaster for them; Boro is excusable because they can beat anyone on their day, but that's two on the bounce now.

[Iai]

HAVE IT

My best mate is a Villa fan. Six months of bragging rights here we come :D

[mph4ever]

good for you

i'm not sure about 5th. villa will turn it around. liverpool won't last the pace. no depth

[Iai]

They've got about as much depth as Arsenal tbh.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Arsenal have plenty of depth, it's their first team that's the problem.

[mph4ever]

arsenal have players that can come and do a job within the team and have a few players injured that are as good as whats playing. eduardo and rosicky come to mind. i don't see that at liverpool yet

[Iai]

Players who wouldn't represent a weakness in the first team:

Arsenal: Almunia, Diaby, Sagna, Fabregas, Toure, Rosicky, Nasri, Eduardo, Gallas, Persie, Walcott, Denilson, Clichy, Fabiasnki, Adebayor, Bendtner, Eboue

Liverpool: Dossena, Agger, Keane, Gerrard, Torres, Riera, Aurelio, Alonso, Benayoun, Pennant, Arbeloa, Kuyt, Babel, Mascherano, Lucas, Carragher, Reina, Degen, Skrtel

I'm even being lenient by including Rosicky and Eduardo there for Arsenal; we don't know how good either will actually be when and if they return. The only argument you could make for Arsenal having more depth is that Liverpool only have solid full-backs, not outstanding ones like Clichy, which means that they have more competition for places there. I mean Arsenal's names are slightly more impressive, for sure, but Liverpool still have more depth.

[Pastorius]

If Lucas showed as much talent as he did promise, we'd have a great midfield in depth, Gerrard, Mascherano, Alonso, Lucas. Plessis is coming on nicely in the reserves, I've caught a few games when I've been back home.

Wings we have no depth, though Kuyt has been steadily improving, and Babel/Riera is a nice choice to make I think. Babel still has so much to give, needs to improve though, and show some more initiative taking the outside, he takes the inside too much, predictable for defenders.

Defence, I think we're OK too, Squirtle out, Agger in, I'm more than happy with that change. Wing backs we are admittedly weak.

I would say that we don't have people on the bench as good as our first team, which is a shame, because Utd and Chelsea do.

EDIT: Take Pennant off that list right now!

[Dave de Sylvia]

I don't think I've ever seen Lucas contribute something useful to a match.

Arsenal: Almunia, Diaby, Sagna, Fabregas, Toure, Rosicky, Nasri, Eduardo, Gallas, Persie, Walcott, Denilson, Clichy, Fabiasnki, Adebayor, Bendtner, Eboue

Liverpool: Dossena, Agger, Keane, Gerrard, Torres, Riera, Aurelio, Alonso, Benayoun, Pennant, Arbeloa, Kuyt, Babel, Mascherano, Lucas, Carragher, Reina, Degen, Skrtel
Is there any reason you started with Dossena? :o

I'm not sure how exactly you're defining "weakness" here. For me Almunia is an obvious weakness in any team, and while Lucas and Benayoun might not leak goals, they don't exactly contribute much either.

Plus Arsenal have to have more strong players than that: Silvestre? Ramsey? Song?

[Pastorius]

Almunia is a decent keeper I think.

Benayoun doesn't leak goals because he's a winger. Lucas I think isn't living up to his career before Liverpool.

Ramsey? It's his first league in the Premiership, and while he's a great player, he's unproven in the premiership. There's no way you can put him on without bringing the quality of their first team down.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Surely Lucas is just as unproven.

Benayoun doesn't leak goals because he's a winger. Lucas I think isn't living up to his career before Liverpool.
Well that was my point. He's just kind of... there. For a top team to have players who don't contribute much positively or negatively to a game is a weakness in my book.

[Pastorius]

I didn't list Lucas as one of the players I would count as strength in depth?

Lucas isn't unproven, just hasn't proved himself....if you get me. If he'd have played well in all of his games, he would be well on his way to proving himself...but he hasn't.

Ramsey has hardly any minutes of premiership football!

[mph4ever]

Players who wouldn't represent a weakness in the first team:

Arsenal: Almunia, Diaby, Sagna, Fabregas, Toure, Rosicky, Nasri, Eduardo, Gallas, Persie, Walcott, Denilson, Clichy, Fabiasnki, Adebayor, Bendtner, Eboue

Liverpool: Dossena, Agger, Keane*, Gerrard, Torres, Riera, Aurelio, Alonso, Benayoun, Arbeloa, Kuyt, Babel, Mascherano, Lucas, Carragher, Reina, Degen, Skrtel



when i compare squads and who i would wish to have in mine then the bolded ones=fail

*only because i don't like him

[Pastorius]

Who is your squad? United? Or just some imaginary squad? Babel will be decent if he just learns to take his chances and take the outside sometimes.

[Dave de Sylvia]

when i compare squads and who i would wish to have in mine then the bolded ones=fail

*only because i don't like him
Am I to understand your ideal team would consist primarily of central midfielders?

[mph4ever]

Who is your squad? United? Or just some imaginary squad? Babel will be decent if he just learns to take his chances and take the outside sometimes.

united. and what i said about the scouse scum was that they weren't there yet. they have some excellent players, they just need more time.

btw, they had better really start thinking about their back four. they need an outstanding purchase or two next summer

[Iai]

Pennant and Benayoun are both seriously under-rated imo.

Silvestre wasn't good enough to to play for Man U isn't good enough to play for Arsenal. Song will be good but isn't yet (I'd put him about level with Plessis in that regard). And right now any speculation about Ramsey's ability in the top flight is just that (see also Vela and Merida).

Also comparing either of these squads to United or Chelsea is just plain unfair.

Also, you'd have Eboue at United? Seriously?

[mph4ever]

Am I to understand your ideal team would consist primarily of central midfielders?

not at all, just pointing out that arsenal have more depth imho

both teams have beaten us this year but i am not sure we are at the races yet, second half of this season is longer than usual with no european or fifa international competitions, theres time enough

[mph4ever]

Also, you'd have Eboue at United? Seriously?

obviously, until he dived during the week, gerrard is the only one i would have at united. we are better served by our own squad in every other area of the pitch

[Dave de Sylvia]

I'd take Alonso over Carrick.

[Iai]

@ mph - That kind of proves both my points really :-/

@ splat - I'd also take Babel or Riera over Park, Mascherano over Hargreaves, Reina over Van Der Sar, and probably Torres over Berbabtov.

[Pastorius]

Yeah United don't employ divers :p

I'm amazed you'd have as many Liverpool players in your United squad, most United players say "Gerrard and Torres and that's it"

Tell you what we need is wing backs. With Carragher, Squirtle and Agger I'm happy.

[mph4ever]

@ mph - That kind of proves both my points really :-/

hey it took a while but qed

Yeah United don't employ divers :p

football wouldn't be football without the ballet dancers

I'm amazed you'd have as many Liverpool players in your United squad, most United players say "Gerrard and Torres and that's it"

i did tell you the one about when mutv asked to interview gerrard?

Tell you what we need is wing backs. With Carragher, Squirtle and Agger I'm happy.
jamie is getting on, too much probably. going to be found out a little in the coming season and next. wings back like riise or finnan?

[Pastorius]

Ha, I was thinking someone like Bale, I'd love it if we signed him.

You didn't tell me that one no.

It is true Jamie is getting on, we could do with a new centre back to fill the gap he's going to leave. Agger is coming along nicely still, he's good but he will be great.

Riise doesn't really have a position other than "the left". Hard to fit him in any squad.

[Dave de Sylvia]

I doubt Benitez would ever play wingbacks. It would force him to play Kuyt is his proper positiun, for one.

[mph4ever]

john arne scored some goals though

manu beat liverpool at old trafford a couple of years ago, gerrard was doing the interviews, done four or five and each time asked the interviewer which station they were from. up came mutv's turn and gerrard asked who are you from, bloke says mutv, gerrard said "**** off, i'm not talking to that scum"

that was around the time i sort of accepted that he wouldn't be coming to manu to help scholes fill the void left by keane

[Pastorius]

Ha ha, good old Stevie! Scores points there.

[2muchket!]

Weird league this year innit ?

All the top 4 seem to be taking points off of each other and the bottom half of the table is most congested I can remember it being at this point in the season.

Alves needs to have a word with himself and Emnes needs to starting playing centre mid. Then I'd be a happy smoggie.

[Happy]

Like they said yesterday on football whatever on bbc1, anyone from 8th place downwards could be in the relegation battle.

[RandyfromPennywise]

Anyone else notice that Arsenal's back four was all French on the weekend? Six Frenchman in their starting line-up. Allez les Gunners.

[Happy]

lol Comoli has joined st-etienne (i think). They should be prepared to fall down the league now.

Although I don't know how well they are doing and for all i know they could be bottom of the league already!

[RandyfromPennywise]

Who is Comoli?

[sgrevs]

Ex-Director of Football at Spurs. Or similar position, whatever it was called.

[Pastorius]

Head ****er Upper?

[The_Passenger]

I don't follow the French League particularly closely but I am pretty sure that St Etienne are struggling at the moment. They must be really desperate to bring in Comolli if he was in charge of Spurs' transfers.

[RandyfromPennywise]

St Etienne are in the relegation places at the moment. Nine losses in 13 matches, five on the trot. And they've just sacked their coach.

« Perrin et Deschamps dans la short list. »

[mph4ever]

interesting. i guess they brought him in because of his business contacts. there are probably a couple of lads hanging around english clubs that could save st etienne's season if they were bought or loaned in january. this is where football ends and big business begins

[RandyfromPennywise]

There's only one man who can save St Etienne. And thy name is Henry James Redknapp.

[TakeWarning]

lol Comoli has joined st-etienne (i think). They should be prepared to fall down the league now.

Although I don't know how well they are doing and for all i know they could be bottom of the league already!

I'm going to hope to god he signs Asshole-Ekotto.

[RandyfromPennywise]

Why did Asshole-Ekotto play ahead of Bale?

[TakeWarning]

No idea. Bale wasn't even on the bench. :confused: Neither of them can defend well (Bale is far better), but at least Bale offers something going forward.

Assou-Ekotto is my least favourite Spurs player of all time.

[mph4ever]

No idea. Bale wasn't even on the bench. :confused: Neither of them can defend well (Bale is far better), but at least Bale offers something going forward.

Assou-Ekotto is my least favourite Spurs player of all time.

my least favorite spurs player would be robbie keane, but then hes my least favorite liverpool player, coventry player, inter player, wolves player, leeds player, crumlin united and irish player too

[Pastorius]

he'll be your least favourite premiership winner at the end of the season too

[mph4ever]

he'll be your least favourite premiership winner at the end of the season too


i love your optimism

[TakeWarning]

my least favorite spurs player would be robbie keane, but then hes my least favorite liverpool player, coventry player, inter player, wolves player, leeds player, crumlin united and irish player too

Why?

He was a bit of a c'unt in the circumstances he left Spurs, but before that he was one of my favourites.

[Happy]

he'll be your least favourite premiership winner at the end of the season too

haha nice one.

[mph4ever]

Why?

He was a bit of a c'unt in the circumstances he left Spurs, but before that he was one of my favourites.

we all dream of a team of robbie keanes, a team of robbie keanes, a team of robbie keanes
at number one is robbie keane...........

ireland were playing turkey in a play off, qualification for a major tournament. first leg was fine at dublin until he went and got himself banned for mouthing off too much at the ref. he missed the return leg when the only other option we had up front was a failing cascarino

and i have seen him in an irish jersey often enough. he never stops mouthing out of him. always in danger of picking up cards. he also wastes more opportunities because of the way he over complicates things. maybe hes improved but the damage is done.

and he plays for liverpool, and used to play for leeds and is a little bollix

[TakeWarning]

and he plays for liverpool, and used to play for leeds and is a little bollix

:rolleyes:

Where do people get this from? Baring in mind I've never seen him play for Ireland.

He works hard, doesn't lose possession often, scores alot of goals. He hasn't found his form yet at Liverpool, but to call him bollocks is going a bit far.

[mph4ever]

ok, i'll take it all back but that night in november a couple of years ago he ruined an entire nations hopes of getting to another major tournament, can't ever be forgiven!

being australian, you know how it feels to fail at the final hurdle

oh, and little bollix, does not imply hes bollocks at football, its more a term of endearment in the negative

[Dave de Sylvia]

Yeah, Keane's always had a good attitude. I don't really know where all the negativity is coming from.

I don't really see what he did wrong leaving Spurs either. Anybody with half a brain would have left the club in the circumstances, and several people with less than half actually did.

[RandyfromPennywise]

being australian, you know how it feels to fail at the final hurdle


No, please don't bring back the memories of Iran, Melbourne, 1997. Was one of my first terrible moments in sport. It was truly the first moment when I found myself desolate after watching sport. My first twelve years had brought little awful sporting moments, but that still lingers as a bitter taste in my now mature sporting mouth. Khodadad Azizi will forever be one on my long-list of nemesises. (A list which includes Nicky Butt (for the knee on Dennis Wise in 1999 [in the 5-0 loss to Chelsea at Stamford Bridge]), Álvaro Recoba (for saying that Uruguay had a "divine right" to progress to the World Cup at the expense of Australia (****ING PROVED THAT CUNT WRONG DIDN'T WE!)), Danny Tiatto (for being the dirtiest cunt in the world), Kevin Muscat (for being the second dirtiest cunt in the world, and for being an arrogant cunt at that) and many others.)

[808]

Grosso?

[mph4ever]

No, please don't bring back the memories of Iran, Melbourne, 1997. Was one of my first terrible moments in sport. It was truly the first moment when I found myself desolate after watching sport. My first twelve years had brought little awful sporting moments, but that still lingers as a bitter taste in my now mature sporting mouth. Khodadad Azizi will forever be one on my long-list of nemesises. (A list which includes Nicky Butt (for the knee on Dennis Wise in 1999 [in the 5-0 loss to Chelsea at Stamford Bridge]), Álvaro Recoba (for saying that Uruguay had a "divine right" to progress to the World Cup at the expense of Australia (****ING PROVED THAT CUNT WRONG DIDN'T WE!)), Danny Tiatto (for being the dirtiest cunt in the world), Kevin Muscat (for being the second dirtiest cunt in the world, and for being an arrogant cunt at that) and many others.)

tiatto, i'd forgotten about that little ****er

[The_Passenger]

can someone explain to me how Bendtner gets played over Vela in the Premier League?

[Pastorius]

No premiership experience?

[Dave de Sylvia]

Mexicans out.

[Pastorius]

he's writing an esse

[TakeWarning]

Yeah, Keane's always had a good attitude. I don't really know where all the negativity is coming from.

I don't really see what he did wrong leaving Spurs either. Anybody with half a brain would have left the club in the circumstances, and several people with less than half actually did.

Well, there wasn't anything wrong in the way he left per se, but he had previously bragged about his loyalty saying, "I never want to leave this club" etc.

Khodadad Azizi will forever be one on my long-list of nemesises. (A list which includes Nicky Butt (for the knee on Dennis Wise in 1999 [in the 5-0 loss to Chelsea at Stamford Bridge]), Álvaro Recoba (for saying that Uruguay had a "divine right" to progress to the World Cup at the expense of Australia (****ING PROVED THAT CUNT WRONG DIDN'T WE!)), Danny Tiatto (for being the dirtiest cunt in the world), Kevin Muscat (for being the second dirtiest cunt in the world, and for being an arrogant cunt at that) and many others.)

Good list, Tiatto's a nasty piece of work. I'd like to add Grosso, Arsene Wenger and Cesc Fagregas.

he's writing an esse

:lol:

[Happy]

can someone explain to me how Bendtner gets played over Vela in the Premier League?

Good thing I didn't take the window bet at Ladbrokes. £10 wins £70 if Vela scores first.

[radtaste]

Sup Tommy?

[TakeWarning]

Sup Tommy?

I think you're Australian. But anywho, to anyone who is Australian or cares, Craig Moore has just been diagnosed with testicular cancer. :(

[sgrevs]

Well, I never liked Craig Moore much as a player, but that still sucks bad. Hope he gets through it :(

[RandyfromPennywise]

Sup Tommy?

Hey mate. Got back from the game a couple of hours ago. Pretty dev. Atmosphere at Hindmarsh before the first goal was amazing. As my AFL-loving mate said "this is way louder than Footy Park!" - and footy part holds up to 52,000 or something. But then 1 goal and it was over. Proud of the boys though regardless.

[Happy]

Oh man 3-0 with 30 minutes gone.

Nice one Spurs!

[Pastorius]

not. happy.

At least this one doesn't count towards the league.

Jeez Burnley going well

EDIT: We're basically fielding a second team now that I listen to it.

[Dave de Sylvia]

I hope I get to see highlights. From what I see on the BBC site the Liverpool match has had some of the worst goalkeeping ever.

Rangers drawing 0-0 at Motherwell. McGregor just denied Motherwell a spectacular chip from 25 yards.

[Pastorius]

We've got Cavalieri between the sticks, I've not been too impressed with him with what I've seen so far, which was mostly pre-season games and reserves games.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Well if it makes you feel better, Huerelho Gomes plays for the Spurs first team.

[Pastorius]

Sounds like Agger was the only first team player on from what I can tell.

[Dave de Sylvia]

2133: Sunderland v Blackburn has three minutes of injury time and Spurs v Liverpool has just the nine after an injury to Heurelho Gomes.

[Pastorius]

Yup, apparently they had the oxygen masks on and everything.

[Happy]

Hey Pasta Spurs beat Liverpool again.

I don't care if its their second team or whatever.

[Pastorius]

It was almost completely a second team.

But people won't remember that!

[Iai]

may i take this time to say LOL CHELSEA

[mph4ever]

burnley ahead on penalties, c'mon the clarets

[mph4ever]

ALEXANDER SCORES Chelsea 0-1 Burnley
LAMPARD SCORES Chelsea 1-1 Burnley
MAHON SCORES Chelsea 1-2 Burnley
BRIDGE SAVED Chelsea 1-2 Burnley
EAGLES SCORES Chelsea 1-3 Burnley
KALOU SCORES Chelsea 2-3 Burnley
MCDONALD SCORES Chelsea 2-4 Burnley
FERREIRA SCORES Chelsea 3-4 Burnley
ELLIOTT MISSED Chelsea 3-4 Burnley
MALOUDA SCORES Chelsea 4-4 Burnley

[mph4ever]

hahahahahahahaha

oh ****

[The_Passenger]

lol chelsea

unbeaten at Stamford Bridge from Feb 06-Oct 08, now they've lost twice there in the space of about 3 weeks.

[Happy]

Nice one Burnley.

[Iai]

BOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

k

[mph4ever]

between liverpool, roma and burnley, theres something not right at chelsea

[Iai]

It's Big Philarious

[The_Passenger]

tbf today sounds like a case of not taking chances. apparently alex missed an open goal from 4 yards. playing crap in a couple of other games isn't a big deal.

having said that, 'lol' still sums up my thoughts on chelsea at this moment in time

[2muchket!]

It was almost completely a second team.

But people won't remember that!

Torres and Stevie G playing ?

If so then it's a full Scouse team as they ARE a 2 man team.

[sgrevs]

Torres started but went off just after half-time and hardly moved when he was on the field. It was his first game in 6 weeks though. Gerrard didn't make the bench. Alonso came on for the last 20 minutes and didn't do too much, we could have had a penalty when Corluka tackled Plessis pretty badly.

[poorquality]

Torres started but went off just after half-time and hardly moved when he was on the field. It was his first game in 6 weeks though. Gerrard didn't make the bench. Alonso came on for the last 20 minutes and didn't do too much, we could have had a penalty when Corluka tackled Plessis pretty badly.

I think that was the challenge the dude on the beeb was talking about when he said everyone kept crying for a pen yet replays clearly showed he won the ball, about 30 mins later he said people were coming round to his way of thinking after seeing it from other angles.

Might be a different challenge though.

[sgrevs]

Perhaps. They did show a few angles and only one of them really showed it well. I think he won the ball but took out both his legs as well. It was debatable and the ref wasn't in a good position.

[TakeWarning]

What on Earth is going on at Stamford Bridge? How many first-teamers played?

[Pastorius]

Torres and Stevie G playing ?

If so then it's a full Scouse team as they ARE a 2 man team.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/table/default.stm

:wave:

[mph4ever]

drogba being looked at by the fa and police for coin throwing incident, i hope they are looking at the fans too

[poorquality]

drogba being looked at by the fa and police for coin throwing incident, i hope they are looking at the fans too

Yeah they'd better be, afterall, Drogba wouldn't be able to throw a coin into the crowd had someone not thrown it at him first. With the cameras inside stadiums these days I dont see why people do it.

[mph4ever]

pity he felt the need to but i giess you can only take so much. i hope it doesn't go back to the old days of screens and things

[RandyfromPennywise]

Fox had the Spurs game on this morning. I think Setanta will show the Burnley match via Chelsea TV sometime although I'm not sure. Would like to see it. I like watching League Cup after having years of never seeing any of it 'cept the final.

I still think that Chelsea will win the league. That's is my completely unbiased opinion. If I was asked to put money on a team it would be Chelsea.

Adelaide United runners-up Asian Champions League. Let's all take a moment to consider what an achievement this is for a club in its fifth year of existence, and coming from a league that is half-way through its fourth season. Ok. Now on to the Club World Cup.

[Dave de Sylvia]

So the Irish athletics council is apparently thinking about approaching Rory Delap to compete in the javelin at the 2012 Olympics. I wish I was joking.

[Pastorius]

Really?

[Dave de Sylvia]

Apparently he represented England as a schoolboy javeliner.

[Happy]

That's pretty funny.

[mph4ever]

thats pretty irish

[Pastorius]

Wow, got the Carling Cup highlights, Liverpool played worse than I've seen in years.

The whole 'dropping all the player' thing doesn't work :p At least they're rested now.

[Interstate]

Lol at Chelsea. Burnley played a blinder.

[Happy]

Always has to be one upset doesn't there

[Pastorius]

tbh spurs beating liverpool 2nds isn't much of an upset

[jingledeath]

http://i.media.goal.com/g/38750_hp.jpg
Bad Doggy

[Happy]

tbh spurs beating liverpool 2nds isn't much of an upset

Nah I was refering to Chelski.


Rofl @ picture.

[poorquality]

tbh spurs 2nds beating liverpool 2nds isn't much of an upset

Spurs made 7 changes to their winning side according to the beeb, so it wasn't exactly Spurs #1 team either. Thought i'd add that in.

[Pastorius]

I'd say Modric Bentley and Woodgate were the only major omissions.

[Happy]

I love Modric.

[Pastorius]

http://jj.am/gallery/d/647-2/SoccerGerardOwned.gif

classic jape

[Happy]

That second slap looked a bit harder than the first.

[TakeWarning]

Wow, got the Carling Cup highlights, Liverpool played worse than I've seen in years.

The whole 'dropping all the player' thing doesn't work :p At least they're rested now.

But then again, your reserves were so poor that players like Reina, Torres, Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano etc. could drop off effort-wise knowing that the likelihood of them being replaced is pretty low.

[mph4ever]

could of been a nailbiter of a finish if gerrard had of been on the pitch

[Pastorius]

But then again, your reserves were so poor that players like Reina, Torres, Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano etc. could drop off effort-wise knowing that the likelihood of them being replaced is pretty low.

it's the job of the manager to keep them putting in lots of effort nonetheless, and he's doing a good job i reckon

[mph4ever]

i feel sorry for drogba, hes 30, lost his place to anelka, really hasn't got a major move moneywise left in him and just threw a coin into the crowd

[Dave de Sylvia]

I doubt Anelka will keep Drogba out once he's back to full fitness.

[mph4ever]

maybe, maybe not

i think its sad that a team like chelsea have to make someone like anelka happy

[Dave de Sylvia]

He's making them happy right now.

[RandyfromPennywise]

i feel sorry for drogba, hes 30, lost his place to anelka, really hasn't got a major move moneywise left in him and just threw a coin into the crowd

Or you could look at it another way. He's a diving twat who gets paid $200k a week.

Super Frank Player of the Month. Rightly so.

[mph4ever]

He's making them happy right now.
yeah, but we all know anelka, it won't last.

Or you could look at it another way. He's a diving twat who gets paid $200k a week.

Super Frank Player of the Month. Rightly so.

drew with cluj
beat villa
beat boro
beat roma
lost liverpool

he must be playing out of his skin to be noticed in those results

from some internet rag called www.goal.com
Benitez: Torres Must Fight For Place
Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez has warned striker Fernando Torres that he is not guaranteed a place in the starting lineup, following his return from injury

rafa thinks there is competition up front for torres, heres a world class striker who has to compete with robbie keane and kuyt for his place. liverpool are on the up!

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1713/liverpool/2008/11/15/965250/benitez-torres-must-fight-for-place

[TakeWarning]

I think on the whole Kuyt is a far better player than Torres. Same goes for Pennant.

[RandyfromPennywise]

drew with cluj
beat villa
beat boro
beat roma
lost liverpool

he must be playing out of his skin to be noticed in those results

Not sure what you're talking about. Player of the Month is only for the Premier League. October, Chelsea played four matches in the Premier League, and they won three and lost one. Why would he need to "be playing out of his skin to be noticed in those results"? I don't understand what you mean.

[mph4ever]

given the results and he got player of the month then he must have been playing really well

[The_Passenger]

Chelsea 2 Villa 0
Boro 0 Chelsea 5
Chelsea 0 Liverpool 1
Hull 0 Chelsea 3

3 wins and 1 loss (against another big 4 team), with an aggregate score line of 10-1, your standards are incredibly high if you think that's a bad run of results like you're suggesting.

[mph4ever]

the results are good, liverpool were more lucky than anything and he must have been playing well. he was on his own for most of it, if not all, in terms of the other big players in midfield

slipped away a little now though

[Pastorius]

I think on the whole Kuyt is a far better player than Torres. Same goes for Pennant.

NURSE

he's forgotten to take his medication again

[RandyfromPennywise]

given the results and he got player of the month then he must have been playing really well

He has been playing really well. Have a look on the Prem Fantasy game, he got three bonus points three times and one bonus point once (against Liverpool) for those four matches. Three man-of-the-match performances and one third-best-on-the-pitch performance in four games.

[mph4ever]

early contender for player of the year then

any one see agger knee himself and lose a tooth?

[Iai]

it's the job of the manager to keep them putting in lots of effort nonetheless, and he's doing a good job i reckon
Well, he is with the first team. Your reserves quite clearly couldn't be bothered though (with the arguable exceptions of Agger and Plessis), which is worrying.

[RandyfromPennywise]

Bloody hell Bolton should've equalised at 1-1.

Sørensen gifts Ronaldo and Manure a goal. Great.

early contender for player of the year thenWell yeah, would look that way.

[Iai]

Get in there Wigan

[Iai]

Lee Cattermole just injured Joey Barton.

Still a Boro boy at heart then :D

[808]

Arsenal are being outplayed. :(

[poorquality]

Nice win for united, 5-0 comfortable, apparently from what I've seen our defenders are the only one's who can deal with that Delap throw in (apart from early on when O'Shea forced a nice save out of VDS). Ronaldo 2 goals and an assist, he's back. Welbeck apparently scoring a superb 25yarder on his debut, and Carricks goal was a bullet. Looking forward to match of the day.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Bloody hell Bolton should've equalised at 1-1.

Sørensen gifts Ronaldo and Manure a goal. Great.

Well yeah, would look that way.
HEY

Sorenson is a world class keeper, he's just not so good at the whole stopping shots/catching the ball bit.

[Happy]

Tottenham are back on form.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Nice win for united, 5-0 comfortable, apparently from what I've seen our defenders are the only one's who can deal with that Delap throw in
I'm pretty sure that was down to the fact the advertising boards had been moved 5 yards forward.

[poorquality]

It all works out B)

Just seen the goals on the Full Time segment of the stream I was watching. Ronaldos freekicks were nice, Carricks finish was nice, Berbatovs reactions were quick and the finish was nice, but the best goal by far was Welbecks 25 yard screamer which curved into the top corner. Lovely debut goal.

[RandyfromPennywise]

I'm pretty sure that was down to the fact the advertising boards had been moved 5 yards forward.

And the slight hill that exists on the side of the OT pitch. Couldn't get more than two full paces for a run-up.

Both of Ronaldo's goals should've been saved. Sørensen's class him is.

Real Madrid 1-0 down to Valladolid. Bye, bye, bye, Bernd Schuster.

[mph4ever]

first moved a good bit but the keeper should have got to it. second one was perfection when it comes to placing it

[poorquality]

first moved a good bit but the keeper should have got to it. second one was perfection when it comes to placing it

I agree, first FK should of done better, but the second I don't think he could of stopped it, he was shaping up for Ronnie to hit it with power again, so Ronnie casually curled it into the bottom corner, lovely placement goal.

[talk show host]

I wish Birmingham or Wolves would just lose a game. Still, 2-0 away to Sheff Utd, life is good.

[mph4ever]

reading are seriously on the up, playing some good stuff

[talk show host]

reading are seriously on the up, playing some good stuff

yep, there's good squad depth too at the moment which hasn't really felt like the case in the last couple of years. a few of the youth players on the fringes, Karacan already making the step up, Harper and Gunnarsson playing well again, and Matejovsky's hardly had a look in since he got back. keep everyone together in January and it's good times, hopefully.

bet Kitson wishes he'd never left

[Dave de Sylvia]

You'll probably get him back for half the price at the end of the year.

[talk show host]

eh, Coppell doesn't spend that sort of money on players unless they're rubbish

[mph4ever]

they've stuck together and i hope it pays off. it'll do their confidence the world of good too since a season in the championship is full of success and it will send them back up on a high. better prepared for next season in the top flight

[TakeWarning]

Tottenham are back on form.

Indeed. The Gareth Bale curse continues.

Gomes surely must be replaced, he really is terrible.

[talk show host]

it makes you wonder how bad Cesar must be, to not get a look in.

I do feel bad for Gomes though, it's got to be tough when everyone's just waiting for you to make a mistake.

[Dave de Sylvia]

He can't be that bad. He won the Champions League!

[sgrevs]

it makes you wonder how bad Cesar must be, to not get a look in.

I do feel bad for Gomes though, it's got to be tough when everyone's just waiting for you to make a mistake.


Cesar didn't look great when he came on against Liverpool. Redknapp says he's going to stick with Gomes.

[poorquality]

Watch out top of the MX league, i'm coming for ya :P Only 34 points behind ya now

[TakeWarning]

Cesar didn't look great when he came on against Liverpool. Redknapp says he's going to stick with Gomes.

Frankly, Gomes doesn't look great either.

Is there no A-League on this weekened?

[sgrevs]

There is. I watched Central Coast destroy Adeliade last night.

[RandyfromPennywise]

Frankly, Gomes doesn't look great either.

Is there no A-League on this weekened?

:upset: Yes, as said, Adelaide got destroyed by Central Coast.

Gomes won the Champions League Plath, what you talking 'bout Willis?

****ing hell, I'm losing my grip on the Fantasy title. This is balls.

[radtaste]

****ing hell, I'm losing my grip on the Fantasy title. This is balls.

http://www.jossip.com/wp/docs/2007/06/borat-thumbsup.JPG

[TakeWarning]

How do you post pictures these days?

:upset: Yes, as said, Adelaide got destroyed by Central Coast.



Actually, that was the only game this week, devastated.

[radtaste]

There's a button above your message box, in between the colour button and the quote button.

x, and insert pic location.

[RandyfromPennywise]

Yeah, like this.
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00453/zola_280x390_453530a.jpg

Just watched Ajax destroy PSV. Ajax looking good. Emanuelson is pretty good.

[Happy]

lol weird seeing Fly Emirates on a Chelsea shirt.

[2muchket!]

Boro doing well on the counter attack against Everton, bit disappointed we've conceded tho' :/

Think putting Mido on would be a good idea atm like.

[innerdark]

Thomson's out the rest of the year and Barry backpass Ferguson's back in the team

:'(

[Dave de Sylvia]

Nick Barmby's back!

[ChodaBoy]

Hughes better start doing some work soon. He still plays Ben-Haim despite him being as bad as Gomes for Spurs. Vassell gets put in over Elano, and theres still no organisation at the back.