Euro 2008 (Official Man City LOL Thread)

[poorquality]

Secured Berbatov for 30.75m + Campbell on loan for a season. Also Spurs are dropping their charges against Man Utd.

All in all a good day

[sgrevs]

I woke up an hour ago and my friend in London had sent me a text saying that Robinho had gone to Man City for 32.5 and I honestly thought he was kidding. Holy crap.

Also, I don't think Berba will be anywhere near as good for ManU as he was for Spurs, 30.75 is way over the top.

And we got Riera which is nice. Now we can actually have a left footed player on the left wing.

[badtaste]

Yep, holy crap sums up my thoughts on Robinho's move. They've grabbed Zabaleta as well, who I thought impressed at the Olympics.

Crazy... i'm hoping they can make a dent in the top 4.

[TakeWarning]

Daniel Levy is my hero. Earlier in the year we had probably the best striking options in the Premiership(Berbatov, Keane and Defoe). But it's a good thing we cashed in, I mean, we'll probably do no better than last year, but at least we made a profit!!! And Chimbonda, Malbranque, Tainio? No place for competent, hard-working squad players at Spurs, sell sell sell!

I can't imagine us accomplishing anything at all this year.

[poorquality]

Yeah I don't think i'd be a happy Spurs fan either, gone from challenging the top 4 to being a feeder club >_>

On the plus side, they have a lot of cash for January, and I think Pavlychenko is a good signing and will do well as long as he settles in this country. Campbell's not abad player, but he's mostly untried in the top flight, so he could go either way.

I'm so tempted to put City down as a 2-0 win over Chelsea with Robinho getting both >_>

[mph4ever]

spurs have bought some excellent players during the summer. berbatov was always going to manu once he had settled in england. the surprise for me was keane's move to liverpool. i never expected that and i am not sure the benitez done his research before he went and bought him. and hes not worth £20m either.

campbell as back up to bent and pavlychenko is a good move, any two of them is going to cause any defence trouble and with the midfield and wings getting stronger then spurs will give any one a run for their money

[poorquality]

Aye, Bentleys improving, Dos Santos looks a brilliant signing, Modric could do better, but looks like a good prospect. I'd start Pavlychenko + Campbell rather than Bent to be honest.

Apart from that gifted goal against Chelsea (which he cocked up when he almost missed his first touch and just sent the ball in the same direction it was going) he's done nothing after a promising pre-season. He got what? 12 goals pre-season and 1 so far this season, wouldn't be surprised if 13 was his grand total by December.

[mph4ever]

this scares me, a bulldozer at eastlands, gets what he wants and is worth 10 times more than abramovich.

soccer is the new horse racing and thats not good

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4085154,00.html

[mph4ever]

they are now calling it "middle eastlands"

phil mcnulty - bbc

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2008/09/man_city_make_it.html

[badtaste]

At least soccer is slightly more humane than horse racing :lol:

[Frankie]

At least soccer is slightly more humane than horse racing :lol:

not according to old sepp blatter

[badtaste]

lol, touche, hahaha.

edit: free the millionaire slaves!

[mph4ever]

At least soccer is slightly more humane than horse racing :lol:

unless of course you're ian dowie :upset:

[Frankie]

King Kev has got the sack then :lol:

The toon are going down

Apparently there have been calls for an investigation into the Berba deal as Man Utd have given Spurs 'hush money' to push the transfer through on top of the Berba fee.

[sgrevs]

I'm pretty surprised about the Keegan ordeal; it seems to me like it came out of nowhere. They will be worse off with Wise in charge.

[Happy]

I'm pissed off Berba made it to Man Utd. >:-(

[Frankie]

Just becuase they fill the stadium with 50,000 + stupid geordie wankers every saturday they feel they have some entitlement to glory. Well their teams **** and not only will boro finish higher than them so will the mackems.

But I'll be laughing my arse off at all the geordies tonight

[Happy]

And Spurs :)

[mph4ever]

who would possibly take the newcastle job now?

Andy Cunningham 1930 1935
Tom Mather 1935 1939
Stan Seymour 1939 1958
George Martin 1947 1950
Doug Livingstone 1954 1956
Charlie Mitten 1958 1961
Norman Smith 1961 1962
Joe Harvey 1962 1975
Gordon Lee 1975 1977
Richard Dinnis 1977 1977
Bill McGarry 1977 1980
Arthur Cox 1980 1984
Jack Charlton 1984 1985
Willie McFaul 1985 1988
Jim Smith 1988 1991
Osvaldo Ardiles 1991 1992
Kevin Keegan 1992 1997
Kenny Dalglish 1997 1998
Ruud Gullit 1998 1999
Sir Bobby Robson 1999 2004
Graeme Souness 2004 2006
Glenn Roeder 2006 2007
Sam Allardyce 2007 2008
Kevin Keegan 2008 2009
? 2009 Present

[Frankie]

Ruud Gullit is a free agent again......

[mph4ever]

keegan, picked up four points in opening 3 games plus carling cup away to coventry

manu 1-1 newcastle
newcastle 1-0 bolton
coventry 2-3 newcastle
arsenal 3-0 newcastle

not really a sacking, must be some other serious sh!t going down

[Angry Balled Fists!]

Just becuase they fill the stadium with 50,000 + stupid geordie wankers every saturday they feel they have some entitlement to glory. Well their teams **** and not only will boro finish higher than them so will the mackems.

But I'll be laughing my arse off at all the geordies tonight

you are so ****ing deluded. you have the most average boring team in the league! we willl finish above you.
im annoyed about the sacking, but there we go. mike ashley hasn't a clue.

[poorquality]

apparently he was angry at the lack of financial support Ashley was giving the club to purchase good players, and Ashley doesn't like being questioned so bye bye Kev

EDIT: Mainly because Ashley wants the impossible, a high league position at minimum cost, and any manager who can't is subject to a sacking. While Wise is in the best position signing players and then taking none of the blame for the performances.

Ashley doesn't understand that they won't achieve loads in one season, they need a building process of 3-4 or more years of gradual progression, he doesn't get that, hence Newcastle will fail as long as he's there.

[Frankie]

you are so ****ing deluded. you have the most average boring team in the league! we willl finish above you.
im annoyed about the sacking, but there we go. mike ashley hasn't a clue.

when was the last time the skunks beat anyone 8-1 :o

[Angry Balled Fists!]

when was the last time the skunks beat anyone 8-1 :o

uhm 7 out of the last 10 years we finished above you in the prem :O

[Angry Balled Fists!]

oh and then the 5 years before that we did too. so thats 12 out of 15 years :O

[Frankie]

You've still won **** all in over 50 years

[talk show host]

Apparently he hasn't been sacked afterall.

[Minus The Flair]

I really do not like the sound of where this City stuff is going.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4086955,00.html

[mph4ever]

Apparently he hasn't been sacked afterall.

maybe they read mx and realised that frankie was probably their best option for manager hehehehehe

[Frankie]

maybe they read mx and realised that frankie was probably their best option for manager hehehehehe

I'd sort those cu'nts out if it wasnt for my hatred of the geordie gits

[mph4ever]

I really do not like the sound of where this City stuff is going.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4086955,00.html


this is just taking it to another level

[mph4ever]

I'd sort those cu'nts out if it wasnt for my hatred of the geordie gits


but maybe thats why you should do it, go p!ss in the tyne

[ChodaBoy]

I really do not like the sound of where this City stuff is going.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4086955,00.html

Tell me about it. I couldnt wait for the transfer window to close, preventing my favourite team from becoming Chelsea v2.

I also fear for football in general when stuff like this happens, the ludacris money has been a problem for quite a while anyway. al-Manchester City makes it worse

[Britney Diva]

I wouldn't be so sure about Man City becoming Chelsea v2. For all the good Hughes seems to be doing the team, Berbatov still laughed off any possibility of signing for the blue half of Manchester. City might well buy success, but they'll have to earn their reputation like Chelsea did to attract top players like Berba. As it happens, even without Robinho it looked like there was going to be good competition for places at Citeh, especially in midfield.

[mph4ever]

I wouldn't be so sure about Man City becoming Chelsea v2. For all the good Hughes seems to be doing the team, Berbatov still laughed off any possibility of signing for the blue half of Manchester. City might well buy success, but they'll have to earn their reputation like Chelsea did to attract top players like Berba. As it happens, even without Robinho it looked like there was going to be good competition for places at Citeh, especially in midfield.

thats a fair point. you can't buy passion when it comes to players wanting to play for your club. you can't buy a legacy, a history, a culture. you have to earn it.

citeh had made some good moves including the appointment of hughes. i think chelsea may well look forward to the arrival of the new citeh regime, it might just take a little pressure off them

[Britney Diva]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/7594975.stm

I love this guy.

[mph4ever]

its a poor reflection on irish football that this skill devoid donkey keeps getting a game. fu'ck he has some heart and if that counted then ireland would win the world cup but it takes skill and technical ability and he aint got that

[Frankie]

but maybe thats why you should do it, go p!ss in the tyne

been there done that ;)

but yeah with Hughes in charge I thought city would do well.

But is it really that bad if a team breaks into the top 4 which hasnt happened in a very long time now. This would surely bring in a bit of excitement to the champions league places atleast.

[Pastorius]

I don't know that Fergie would let Ronaldo go to a premiership club.

135m and 80m aren't that different in the grand scheme of things.

[poorquality]

United wouldn't sell him to City, and he wouldn't go, he wants european football in Spain, and United don't need the money we're in debt but aren't in a panic state.

It's like Berb said on MUTV, he wanted to play in the red shirt, not for money but to be apart of the history that is Man Utd, he even said if it was down to money he'd of gone to city as they were offering him a stupid amount of cash per week.

City don't have that sort of appeal to them as someone above mentioned, maybe in 6 or so years, but at the moment world class players will still be drawn to the Uniteds and Madrids of this world.

[mph4ever]

City don't have that sort of appeal to them as someone above mentioned, maybe in 6 or so years, but at the moment world class players will still be drawn to the Uniteds and Madrids of this world.


teams like that have been very strong at certain times, madrid, milan, liverpool, united, munchen, dominated for years domestically and won european cups. theres only a few, in big leagues

[Britney Diva]

its a poor reflection on irish football that this skill devoid donkey keeps getting a game. fu'ck he has some heart and if that counted then ireland would win the world cup but it takes skill and technical ability and he aint got that
Maybe not, but the guy's been one of the most consistent performers in the Premiership the past 5 years. Apparently he's still cut about missing the rebound from Ian Harte's penalty against Spain. Plus, if you look at the goals he's scored for Ireland, he's played as vital a part in Ireland's few successes in the past decade as anybody. He might not be Ronaldo, but he's the kind of player we'll need more of if we're ever to qualify for a major tournament again. I would be surprised if he didn't slip into a coaching role in the Irish setup when he retires.

[mph4ever]

can't argue with those points

[Britney Diva]

I'm really not used to having an Irish person here to talk football with. The closest I've had in the last year is tossie and only because he's a Reading fan.

Anyway, I'm kind of confused by Trapattoni's low opinion of Andy Reid. If I was to pick our best player at the moment, I'd probably pick him. Then again, Aragones left out Fabregas and won Euro 2008- so maybe he just doesn't fit in the first team?

[mph4ever]

its going to be interesting. to me, reid is one of those players that can spark into life and change games but sometimes drops out of games. i would imagaine in the absence of a team full of talent then trapattoni is going back to the old tried and trusted "put them under pressure", certainly for the opening games to see if we can get some points on the board. later, given the different scenarios, then players like reid will be used more and more tactically

at the same time, perhaps trapattonni played doyle to see how he faired since he is going to be a championship player for a while and maybe he will go with a strong 4-5-1 with reid playing off keane up front in the absence of duff.

[Britney Diva]

I wouldn't worry about Doyle, I think he's the kind of striker who will excel in any league he plays in. I reckon by Christmas Reading will be cruising the Championship and we'll be wondering why we ever wondered about him. It'll be interesting to see if Daryl Murphy manages to squeeze out Cisse or Diouf though- he looks very useful on either wing too.

As for the "put em under pressure," I don't think it's Trap's style. We're going to play football for once, and I'm really excited. We have enough players to spray the ball around the pitch, the question is a) can we secure enough possession to keep the ball; and b) can we convert it to goals? I'm not raising my hopes too high, but I don't think we'll have any of the embarrassing 1-0 submissions to Germany/Czechs as we had under Staunton.

[mph4ever]

lolz at the andy garcia quote and learning english from the godfather movies


Role models loomed large in Berbatov’s early life because he taught himself English with the aid of repeated viewings of the Godfather films; his distinctive appearance today owes much to his resemblance to the actor Andy Garcia, who figured prominently in the third film of the mafia trilogy.


full thing here

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=846822

[mph4ever]

I wouldn't worry about Doyle, I think he's the kind of striker who will excel in any league he plays in. I reckon by Christmas Reading will be cruising the Championship and we'll be wondering why we ever wondered about him. It'll be interesting to see if Daryl Murphy manages to squeeze out Cisse or Diouf though- he looks very useful on either wing too.

As for the "put em under pressure," I don't think it's Trap's style. We're going to play football for once, and I'm really excited. We have enough players to spray the ball around the pitch, the question is a) can we secure enough possession to keep the ball; and b) can we convert it to goals? I'm not raising my hopes too high, but I don't think we'll have any of the embarrassing 1-0 submissions to Germany/Czechs as we had under Staunton.

don't get me wrong, i am not thinking that we will do a jack charlton on it, i think we will play as much football on the ground as possible, but trap will expect hard work from everyone, he will expect us to put them under pressure when we don't have the ball, chase them down, break up their play, show commintment, like kilbane showing up and being prepared to play with a fractured jaw and then when we have possession to hang on to it

this is the first time in years that i have been excited too because the management team make me think that we have a real chance to play football. i care about whether we win, lose or draw but i also care that, no matter what, the players put their all in. i'll be looking to players like dunne, who should be captain btw, given, keane, duff if he was fit, and steven reid, to show real maturity, fitting of their respective standings in their clubs. i think trapattoni can bring that out in them

[Britney Diva]

I don't think it matters a huge deal who is captain to be honest. Keane seems to be the natural leader in the team, but like England we basically have a strong backbone of natural leaders in Given, Dunne, Kilbane, Duff, Andy Reid and Keane. I'd prefer the captain on the pitch to be in midfield, which is why I think Steven Reid's fitness is vital to our chances of progressing.

But yeah, I don't really expect Trapattoni to have us put the opposition under pressure like previous managers. I think his game is to hold possession in midfield (hence Reid and Whelan) and to progress from there. I still think Andy Reid is our best distributor, but I'd love for Trapattoni to prove me wrong. If Andy could be used off the bench like Fabregas at the Euros, to provide a cutting edge when it was lacking, I'd be delighted.

[mph4ever]

i just don't trust keane completely, he can lose it at the wrong time, giving out instead of getting on with it. i'm not sure we have a consistent midfielder who could be captain

[Frankie]

Curbishley resigns then

Could see that coming a mile off

[mph4ever]

hammers have had as many managers in the last 15 years or so as they had in their first 80

[sgrevs]

Curbishley resigns then

Could see that coming a mile off

I feel bad for him to be honest. The board at WH seems to be doing some pretty crap stuff lately.

[poorquality]

Just reading the excuses from the other side not just Curbishleys, I think they had a fair point from what was said, the signings Curbishley made were all flops and injury ridden, and raised their wage bill over 50m a year, they had to pay lunjberg (sp?) a stupid amount to end his 4 year deal after 1 year. All it is has been is costly and the board wanted to strip some off the wage bill and gain some money back if they wanted to sign good players.

While the manager should have complete control over transfers etc, Curbishley isn't the innocent party he's trying to seem, he wanted to leave as they did deals behind his back, they wanted him out because he's prooved to have poor judgement in the transfer window.

[TakeWarning]

Yeah he made some pretty dud signings when you compare some of the signings by managers of teams in similar positions.

Bilic is apparently the board's target as the new manager. Doubt they'll get him, he's too committed to Hrvatska.

[mph4ever]

i don't like the intercity firm, they don't deserve much by way of success, saw them a couple of times taking adults and teenagers out, scum

[badtaste]

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=848922

:D

[Pastorius]

Ha, what a waste of a tenner.

[mph4ever]

dave, i see trap has compared whelan to gattuso. earlier he has said that he wants robbie keane to be the irish totti.

[Britney Diva]

Apparently he thinks he's still in Italy. I haven't been impressed by Whelan from what I've seen, but I'm prepared to be proven wrong. Good to see Hunt given a run out too.

[Surtr]

Goddamn West Ham and their nonsense.

They're a bunch of fools for going behind Curbishley's back as he was definitely bringing a rise in West Ham, slowly, maybe not anything miracle wise, but he was a decent gaffer and was doing this with West Ham. Now they'll end up trying to find a new manager and they're going to **** it over.

[Talos]

I liked West Ham til Curbishley took over, I hate the guy.

[mph4ever]

di canio wants the job

keegan resigns

3 games in, what a load of toss

[pppoe]

Di Canio is the fascist, yeah?

[mph4ever]

yeah, ran to the end of the stadio olympico in rome and gave the adoring fans the fascist salute. hes probably in pole position now that you brought that up, icf are some of the worst racists ever, thats why stuart pearce was mentioned up front, he'd fit in there

[Frankie]

Fact is Curbs was promised a lot of money and was backed accordingly. Fair cop some of signings flopped but when players are sold who he considers important, whats he really supposed to do ?

idk I've always rated him as a manager his managing of Charlton throughout the years was nothing short of bloody miracle working.

[sgrevs]

So who will take over at Newcastle?

Also, talk of Mancini taking over at WH.

[mph4ever]

why would moyes even think about going to newcastle when you look at the work he has done at everton. newcastle should be relegated to the fourth where they belong as penalty for all the managers careers they have ruined hehehehe

[Pastorius]

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you idiot, tibet are going nowhere in the world rankings

[badtaste]

Gah, if only the links worked, I would have clickity clicked :(

[mph4ever]

i can see the team coming together with some depth also

Republic of Ireland: Given, Finnan, O'Shea, Dunne, Kilbane, McGeady, S Reid, Whelan, Hunt, Keane, Doyle.

reid and duff to come, one or two others out there also

[Frankie]

I think I'm the only person who finds joey barton's behaviour mildly amusing/entertaining ?

[mph4ever]

there is bound to be the odd footballer who has the potential to be a football hooligan also, what the fu'ck do people expect?

btw, i reckon he is only going to get angrier since he has missed out on the city windfall lol

[Frankie]

Good lets hope he really gives someone a good whack

I do laugh at how universally hes booed what a bunch of fookin hypocrites football supporters are ey. I bet a fair few of the geordies who call him a disgrace get smashed after the match and end up fighting.

Still barton is a crap role model which is the thing he should be reprimanded on most of all

[mph4ever]

oh, man, we all forgot about alan shearer's ambitions, next nukey manager for sure, keep 'em up and he will be a hero, top half next season and hes immortal, top six the next season and hes got a job for life

[Frankie]

oh, man, we all forgot about alan shearer's ambitions, next nukey manager for sure, keep 'em up and he will be a hero, top half next season and hes immortal, top six the next season and hes got a job for life

I have enough of their fans harping on that they're a big club jsut because 50,000 slack jawed idiots turn up to St James' every week.

Mind you if they keep signing spanish waiters (Xisco ?!) they're gunna be relegated.

[mph4ever]

hey, you wanna get a taste of the geordies that come over here to live, bunch of gazza wannabees

anyway, hector cuper is the manager of georgia, i reckon tomorrows game is going to be interesting

[Britney Diva]

i can see the team coming together with some depth also

Republic of Ireland: Given, Finnan, O'Shea, Dunne, Kilbane, McGeady, S Reid, Whelan, Hunt, Keane, Doyle.

reid and duff to come, one or two others out there also
Oops, I woke up half an hour late and missed the goal, and this Setanta web stream doesn't seem to understand that usually you show highlights/analysis at half time. What was the goal like? Are we doing well?

[Frankie]

off to the pub in a bit like to watch the game

word on the street is that Capello is playing a weakened team 'saving' Joe Cole and Beckham for mid-week.

Words fail me.

EDIT: Keane was unlucky hitting the post there

[Britney Diva]

I thought he might have done better but the stream here is a bit grainy so you may be right.

Your man Tuncay just scored.

Jesus, that's some ****ing goalkeeper the Georgians have got themselves. 10 years ago United would have been queuing up to sign that.

[Happy]

England to lose tonight lol

[Britney Diva]

Jesus, we did our best to throw that one away. I don't understand why we insist on conceding so many last-minute goals.

[mph4ever]

overall a good performance. first goal was real class, real class. second was lucky but we could have had two more. stupid goal to give away but the bloke who got it seems to have a bright future. mcgeadydoes no work but is good on the ball, hunt works likee a trojan but is no good on the ball. andy reid would make a difference, a real difference

[Talos]

England fail at football.

[Happy]

ITS THEIR MORALE, NEVER MIND THE FACT THEY ALWAYS PERFORM FOR THEIR CLUBS.

they need to stop making excuses.

[Britney Diva]

I wonder if Capello will still have a job when the team comes back out.

Arsenal midfielder Cesc Fabregas feels it would be "suicidal" for his career if he were to sign for Manchester City.

Backed by the financial muscle of Abu Dhabi United Group for Development and Investment (ADUG), new City owner Dr Sulaiman Al-Fahim recently revealed his ambition to add a number of world-class players to the squad.

Fabregas and Liverpool striker Fernando Torres are reportedly among the list of targets, while Al-Fahim went as far as to hint at a £135million bid for Manchester United winger Cristiano Ronaldo.

Gunners star Fabregas, though, has no intention of leaving the Emirates Stadium should City bid for services in the next transfer window as he feels a move to Eastlands would prove detrimental to his career.

The Spain international said in the Telegraph: "It would be suicidal for my career at 21 years of age to move to City. It would make no sense."

hahaha I love this guy

edit: ugh Italy score a 93rd-minute winner against Cyprus ugh

[Frankie]

Joe Cole should play centre mid imo

**** lamps and **** gerrard

[sgrevs]

No way, Lampard and Gerrard just shouldn't be playing together. I think Gerrard and Huddlestone could work well maybe.

[Frankie]

Barry and J.Cole in the middle for me

[sgrevs]

Too attacking, no defence.

[Frankie]

**** that

GUNG HO IS NEEDED

[sgrevs]

I do agree mostly, but against a team like Croatia I don't see it working.

[mph4ever]

hargreaves or carrick in front of ferdinand and terry, brown and cole and gerrard as the box to box creator, cole on one wing, downing on the other, rooney and crouch up front and stick with it for a good few games. also, that leaves lampard, walcott, owen, beckham, bentley to come on and changes things in attack and barry, lescott, bridge, neville to freshen things up at the back

[Britney Diva]

bullard

[mph4ever]

bullard

to what i said that sounds like a line out of the two ronnies

[Britney Diva]

his name is jimmy not ronnie

[mph4ever]

do you really think he could make a difference?

[Frankie]

He's playing excellently atm

Walcoot played superb last night, the nippy little bastard

[Britney Diva]

do you really think he could make a difference?
Why not? When you've been trying the same combinations in midfield for six years and they haven't demonstrated much if any chemistry, a new face is the obvious solution. Might as well try him out while he's on form.

[Frankie]

Why are two paddies arguing over this any road :lol:

[mph4ever]

Why not? When you've been trying the same combinations in midfield for six years and they haven't demonstrated much if any chemistry, a new face is the obvious solution. Might as well try him out while he's on form.


true, when you see what whelan is doing for ireland then anything is possible. could be worth a look. i still think gerrard is the key in midfield for england if they wuld only play him centrally. last good game i remember was him and barry as the central two

[mph4ever]

Why are two paddies arguing over this any road :lol:

i only just saw this, because we can't find fault in what our manager has achieved with the resources at his disposal, you lot have made an entire industry out of it

[sgrevs]

i still think gerrard is the key in midfield for england if they wuld only play him centrally. last good game i remember was him and barry as the central two


I also thought that worked pretty well. In any case, I think everyone agrees the England midfield requires some degree of change.

[TakeWarning]

hargreaves or carrick in front of ferdinand and terry, brown and cole and gerrard as the box to box creator, cole on one wing, downing on the other, rooney and crouch up front and stick with it for a good few games. also, that leaves lampard, walcott, owen, beckham, bentley to come on and changes things in attack and barry, lescott, bridge, neville to freshen things up at the back

Downing? Did you watch the Andorra game?

[mph4ever]

Downing? Did you watch the Andorra game?

the whole idea is to give them a few games together and see what they can do. at this stage the england team changes as much as liverpool and there are som many talented players who are being used out of position, or maybe asked to do their usual job a lot differently, simply because they are so talented. set it out, stick with it, tweak it

[TakeWarning]

I get that they haven't played together much, but Downing was pretty awful regardless, he was reluctant to make overlapping runs and made one hopeless cross after another. I have to admit I wanted him in after the Czech game. Maybe he'll do well in the future but I feel Capello would be silly to risk him against Croatia.

[mph4ever]

well then perhaps joe cloe on the left and bentley on the right, instead of asking gerrard or lampard or someone else to go totally out of position

[Britney Diva]

There's really no excuse for leaving Joe Cole out of any England side. On form over the past 2 years, he's easily the best wide player in the squad.

England's problem isn't a lack of quality out wide; it's a lack of creativity period. Now I think Carrick is an average player who doesn't deserve his spot in the United squad, but he can at least pick out a decent pass every now and then. I'd prefer him to Barry, who's probably the second best option, but I still think we're all overlooking Jimmy Bullard at our peril.

[sgrevs]

I think Bullard is ****ing awesome. And I actually think he'd perform better for England than most 'superstars' do, i.e Lampard

[Britney Diva]

Every team in the world has unglamorous players who do the business week-in week-out-- Spain have Senna, Italy have Gattuso-- yet successive England managers seem to be unwilling to play anybody who hasn't been thoroughly approved by the Sunday newspapers.

I fear for England against Croatia, although I'll laugh myself to sleep if they get hammered again.

[TakeWarning]

There's really no excuse for leaving Joe Cole out of any England side. On form over the past 2 years, he's easily the best wide player in the squad.

England's problem isn't a lack of quality out wide; it's a lack of creativity period. Now I think Carrick is an average player who doesn't deserve his spot in the United squad, but he can at least pick out a decent pass every now and then. I'd prefer him to Barry, who's probably the second best option, but I still think we're all overlooking Jimmy Bullard at our peril.

Who would you put it the United team in front of Carrick? You're one of the only knowledgeable United fans I know who doesn't hail him as the second coming of Christ.

[mph4ever]

carrick isn't the second coming. hes a good solid player to sit in front of the back four, covers some serious ground. him and hargreaves are interchangeable for me.

[poorquality]

carrick isn't the second coming. hes a good solid player to sit in front of the back four, covers some serious ground. him and hargreaves are interchangeable for me.

I agree with that, it depends who we're playing on who i'd choose, tough european away matches i'd pick Hargreaves who's a better defensive minded player. But say...home to Wigan i'd pick Carrick for his passing ability and his ability to be able to stay back and go forward.

I don't like it when we play Scholes and Anderson as it leaves the middle of the park vulnerable.

So yeah for England i'd deffo start either Carrick or Hargreaves with Gerrard to allow Gerrard to do what he does best while keeping the midfield secure.

[mph4ever]

I agree with that, it depends who we're playing on who i'd choose, tough european away matches i'd pick Hargreaves who's a better defensive minded player. But say...home to Wigan i'd pick Carrick for his passing ability and his ability to be able to stay back and go forward.

fergie steps down in two years, want a job?

btw, a fit hargreaves must be the player who solves englands midfield dilema. cole, terry, ferdinand, brown, hargreaves and let the other five do what they like since they know they will be safe at the back. with hard workers like rooney, joe cole and gerrard in the team then there will be plenty of help when required

I don't like it when we play Scholes and Anderson as it leaves the middle of the park vulnerable.

scares sh!t out of me. anderson is a replacement for scholes in some ways, hes brings other things to the attacking midfielder role also which will move united on a little more. he is as quick over the ground as hargreaves when it comes to chasing down players so i can see the transition with scholes retirement already being smooth. just don't play them together too often, unless tactics dictate a hargreaves, scholes, anderson menage a trois

So yeah for England i'd deffo start either Carrick or Hargreaves with Gerrard to allow Gerrard to do what he does best while keeping the midfield secure.
carrick and hargreaves were both not fully fit for these two games. capello should look long and hard at them going forawrd and allow gerard to run the creativity. makes me sick to say that about a scouser scumfu'ck but credit where credit is due

[Britney Diva]

Who would you put it the United team in front of Carrick? You're one of the only knowledgeable United fans I know who doesn't hail him as the second coming of Christ.
Hargreaves. Carrick is a very limited player: how many times over the past 2 years have we seen Carrick ignore half a dozen simple passes and hoof the ball 40 yards straight out of play? We have enough creative players and ability on the ball to sit back and be patient; we need players with more composure and footballing intelligence than Carrick.

[poorquality]

Fair point that Carrick and Hargreaves aren't in this current squad, Bullard is the obvious choice then. He can't do any worse than Barry.

[sgrevs]

Gerrard and Torres both out of the United game this weekend.

We're ****ed :(

[Pastorius]

Sad though it is, we are completely and utterly doomed. Keane won't be able to penetrate the United defence on his own, though at last he'll be playing somewhere near where he should be!

[sgrevs]

Or so we hope. When Torres went off against Villa, Keane spent the next 45 minutes swapping from wing to wing with only El Zhar up front, who as far as I've seen is pretty useless.

[Pastorius]

It's Rafa's fault, Keane on the wing is square block in a triangular hole.

El Zhar seems better than Kuyt on the wing. Reckon Riera will be starting?

[sgrevs]

Of course it's Rafa's fault, I def wasn't blaming Keane, I felt bad for him playing where he quite obviously didn't want to be. I'm not sure if Riera will start, I'm interested to see what Rafa's main formation and lineup is going to be now that we have a proper left winger. Will Babel feature? I hope so because I think he's (potentially) pretty damn good, but we have some real quality up front now.

[mph4ever]

essien out for up to six months, huge loss to any team but means more time for others on the pitch at chelsea

[sgrevs]

Yeah damn I just saw that, sucks for them. I guess Mikel is next in line but he ain't got nothin' on Essien.

[Echleon]

Yeah damn I just saw that, sucks for them. I guess Mikel is next in line but he ain't got nothin' on Essien.

Essien will be a massive loss for Chelsea, but when they can put out a 3 man midfield of Lampard, Ballack and Deco they should be fine.

This thread is in serious need of a rename!

Can't wait for United vs Liverpool, we should beat them now that Gerrard and Torres look to be out.

---------VDS-----------
Brown--Rio--Vidic---Evra
Scholes-Carrick-Anderson
--Tevez--------Rooney--
--------Berbatov--------

I'm hoping that Carrick and Rio will be fit, or I think we'll see

----------VDS----------
O'Shea--Rio--Vidic--Evra
Fletch-Scholes-Anderson
--Tevez-------Rooney--
--------Berbatov-------

[mph4ever]

Essien will be a massive loss for Chelsea, but when they can put out a 3 man midfield of Lampard, Ballack and Deco they should be fine.



there is no holding midfielder in that trio, and only two workers, even if ballacks effort is sometime suspect. should have never got rid of makele. they will have to settle for mikel as the holding midfielder. not sure if he is up to it, certainly not the following week for the visit of manu.

[mph4ever]

see robbie keane's apartment has been broken into in liverpool whilst he is away on international duty. just have to love those those scallies hehehehe

[Echleon]

It's ****ing crazy! So many Liverpool players get robbed when they are away it's actually pretty frightning.

I wouldn't be shocked it if were their own fans either!

[mph4ever]

of course they are their own fans

[TakeWarning]

Rafa should bring back the rotation policy; it would keep the burglars guessing on gameday. I think being robbed is a sort of initiation ceremony when you become a Liverpool player.

[sgrevs]

How do they work out where they live?

[mph4ever]

How do they work out where they live?

i'd say there are probably guided tours of famous footballers' housing estates, sure there wouldn't be much else to do in liverpool

[Britney Diva]

The Russians don't seem to have much spark up front. They've dominated possession the entire match yet I can't remember a time when they looked likely to score from open play. Incredibly, Wales could actually be leading with their only shot on goal.

edit: holy **** wales just scored!

[Happy]

I wish i could watch the football on television.

[Pastorius]

Awwww boo to the rusky's

[mph4ever]

paddies are doing ok, might even nick this one if they keep their heads

[mph4ever]

that was ok, 4 points on the road and the same result as bulgaria in this one then i'd say ireland are doing ok

kilbane is not a left back and shouldn't be played there, he will get turned by better teams

andy reid is missed, he doesn't work as hard as hunt but man he must be better at the final ball

[Happy]

England 1-0 up? wow.

[Pastorius]

God, the papers are gonna gush over that.

[Frankie]

yeah but

THEO THEO THEO THEO

Theirry Henry-esque finishes from him tonight and a good win overall.

[Pastorius]

Yes, I do like Walcott, he's a decent player and deserves success.

[Frankie]

I was happy the lad started tbh.

I've read loads of plaudits for Barry and Lamps 'bossing the mdifield'. I didnt see that like but whatever.

[badtaste]

So in other news, Australia DOMINATED the Uzbeks with a 1-0 win.

gg Walcott.

[poorquality]

Impressed with our performance on the whole, still don't think Barry is international quality, was sloppy in my opinion. Good to see Rooney back on form with a goal and 2 assists, and nice that we seem to have cured our right midfield problem in Walcott.

[sgrevs]

Good stuff by England, I'm thoroughly impressed.

[Pastorius]

Hmmmm, I'm really wondering if Riera will start on Saturday for the scouse.

It would be a pretty big risk, but if we want a win, we're gonna have to take risks without Gerrard and Torres. Maybe stick Babel on the right, so people can use their natural feet finally.

I have a feeling he'll play

Kuyt - Keane
Babel - Lucas - Mascherano - Benayoun
Dossena - Squirtle - Carragher - Arbeloa
Reina

[Frankie]

Zola takes over as West Ham manager then. Which is interesting.

Apparently Heskey was racially abused last night. Not that FIFA will do anything, us being english and that.

[mph4ever]

Kuyt - Keane
Babel - Lucas - Mascherano - Benayoun
Dossena - Squirtle - Carragher - Arbeloa
Reina

against

van der sar
brown - ferdinand - vidic - evra
fletcher - scholes - carrick - giggs
rooney - berbatov

[Illmatic]

Hmmmm, I'm really wondering if Riera will start on Saturday for the scouse.

It would be a pretty big risk, but if we want a win, we're gonna have to take risks without Gerrard and Torres. Maybe stick Babel on the right, so people can use their natural feet finally.

I have a feeling he'll play

Kuyt - Keane
Babel - Lucas - Mascherano - Benayoun
Dossena - Squirtle - Carragher - Arbeloa
Reina

I have a feeling he'll play for the draw though, especially because they're facing United.

[Frankie]

Lol fletcher lol.

[Iai]

Isn't Nani back from suspension?

[mph4ever]

Lol fletcher lol.

i know but he always seems to play a fletcher or an o'shea or a park in these games for some reason. given liverpool presently, he should just go for the neck, out with his best team like he did against chelsea in the champs league but i fear we will only see that tactic very seldom, but he never does, tight affairs, a goal in it, hopefully ours

[poorquality]

I rate fletcher highly >_> he's our top scorer so far, aaaaand he always has an excellent game against the likes of Liverpool and Arsenal for some reason.

[Pastorius]

against

van der sar
brown - ferdinand - vidic - evra
fletcher - scholes - carrick - giggs
rooney - berbatov

Don't think we don't know what way this match is going

[sgrevs]

Hmmmm, I'm really wondering if Riera will start on Saturday for the scouse.

It would be a pretty big risk, but if we want a win, we're gonna have to take risks without Gerrard and Torres. Maybe stick Babel on the right, so people can use their natural feet finally.

I have a feeling he'll play

Kuyt - Keane
Babel - Lucas - Mascherano - Benayoun
Dossena - Squirtle - Carragher - Arbeloa
Reina

You reckon? I was thinking Alonso will be in for sure. I'm just hoping Keane is finally able to do something useful, and I think Riera will feature somehow, probably as a sub. Either way, we will be very lucky to scrape a draw.

[Britney Diva]

With Torres out Alonso is a must. Keane can't make chances for himself the way Torres does.

Fantastic win for England. I didn't see the match but I understand they trounced the nasty Croats. On the Heskey issue, I remember reading an interview with Bilic pre-Euros where he basically admitted Croatia was full of racists but not to hold it against the team.

[TakeWarning]

It's funny, I play at a Croatian club and they're a thoroughly reasonable lot.

Eastern Europe seems to be full of racists; Sergei Rebrov went on a rather odd racist rant the other day aswell.

[mph4ever]

Don't think we don't know what way this match is going

never much in it, the most tense match of the season, liverpool at anfield.

vidic to score, manu to win 1-0

[mph4ever]

torres and gerrard fit, this is going to be great

[Frankie]

Riera might start aswell, giving them some ACTUAL width.

[Pastorius]

Yeeeeeeeees now we've got a game on our hands

[sgrevs]

YES! Get in there boys! So pumped!!

[poorquality]

5-3 to united >_> Torres scores 2, keane 1 Berb 3, rooney 2 *cough*

[sgrevs]

Berb 3? You 'avin a laff!?

[Pastorius]

9-1 Liverpool

Squirtle 9
Van der Sar 1

[mph4ever]

with gerard and torres back then maybe 2-1 to manu

are we sure berbatov will play?

[poorquality]

Well fergie said he's definately going to play, just whether he starts or not is the question.

Will be a good match, always is, if Anderson starts he'll keep Gerrard in his pocket like last season, and our defence showed we're capable of keeping torres out of the game.

Only problem is players of their class won't always be kept as ineffective every game.

[Pastorius]

We could really do with Keane upping his game tomorrow.

[mph4ever]

lads, this roy keane spat with walker is just one of the funniest things i have ever heard in football.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2008/0912/keane2.html

[Pastorius]

ha, what a bitch

[Frankie]

Sounds like a fag that walker.

I like admire keane a lot as both a coach and a player.

[mph4ever]

i just watched an interview with scolari, hes a gentleman, total, just hope he gets the support he deserves

[sgrevs]

3 and a half hours til crunch time fellas! Get psyched!

[poorquality]

I'm well up for this match now, hopefully a high scoring cracker, game of the season etc

Expected Utd Lineup:

VDS
Brown Vidic Ferdinand Evra
Scholes Carrick Anderson
Tevez Rooney
Berbatov

I hope anyway. Though in all likelyhood he'll play Giggs + Fletcher on wings and leave out Carrick and Tevez.

[mph4ever]

I'm well up for this match now, hopefully a high scoring cracker, game of the season etc

Expected Utd Lineup:

VDS
Brown Vidic Ferdinand Evra
Scholes Carrick Anderson
Tevez Rooney
Berbatov

I hope anyway. Though in all likelyhood he'll play Giggs + Fletcher on wings and leave out Carrick and Tevez.

i hope he doesn't do scholes and anderson in the middle, needs a holding midfielder

[poorquality]

That's why Carrick is there, more than capable of hanging back and delivering 40 yard passes.

Or if you mean in the likely formation with giggs + fletch involved, then it looks like Scoles Anderson which I agree isn't preferable.

Hell they could have a blinding game who knows, on paper 2 attacking midfielders leaves the center open and vulnerable.

[poorquality]

I'm well up for this match now, hopefully a high scoring cracker, game of the season etc

Expected Utd Lineup:

VDS
Brown Vidic Ferdinand Evra
Scholes Carrick Anderson
Tevez Rooney
Berbatov

I hope anyway. Though in all likelyhood he'll play Giggs + Fletcher on wings and leave out Carrick and Tevez.


Team news in ( I Love MUTV) the team above is correct :D Should of put money on it >_>

Also Gerrard and Torres don't start, but Reira gets his debut

[Frankie]

1-0 till Utd ahahahahahahha

[Britney Diva]

Jesus, Liverpool are an absolute mess. I can't believe this game isn't over already. Anderson has been superb so far.

[Frankie]

Jesus, Liverpool are an absolute mess. I can't believe this game isn't over already. Anderson has been superb so far.

you were saying :p ?

[Britney Diva]

I stand by what I said! Derby County would have taken 3 points away from Anfield today. I can't remember the last I've seen United play this badly.

[poorquality]

Jesus we were our own worst enemies, lackluster touches, poor passing, VDS cocking up. Started so brightly too, what the hell happened.

Oh well congrats L'Pool, wouldn't let us make it 9 in a row against you :(


Scarily a similar start to last season, though we lost to L'Pool instead of City...god help us if Liverpool do the double over us as City did last season.

[TakeWarning]

These hyped-up clashes are always so dissapointing when one of the teams is poor.

Ah well, que sera sera. Good win for Liverpool, top of the ladder.

[Happy]

its Berbatov's fault. He brought Spurs' luck with him.

[Frankie]

We shouldn't really be, but boro are 1-0 up. Getinnnn.

[Britney Diva]

haha and what luck did Keane bring?

Ferguson always bottles it against Liverpool. He plays for the draw every time and it's a miracle it hasn't bitten him in the arse more often.

[poorquality]

I wouldn't call a line up consisting of Scholes, Anderson, Tevez, Rooney and Berbatov playing for the draw, we were just too poor today to win.

[Britney Diva]

Well I assume they didn't sit back of their own accord after the first ten minutes. It was a poor performance, but I have to blame Fergie for them allowing Liverpool to come onto them in the second half and the end of the first. It's unforgiveable that a side with three recognised strikers should get half as many shots during the whole match as an inferior side playing without an out-and-out striker and at many times playing with six across the midfield.

edit: I see Titus Bramble has opened his own-goal account for this year

[Iai]

Newcastle 0-2 Hull

lol

[Frankie]

Well we're drawing now.

At least Newcastle are losing

[Iai]

Lame. Still a draw at Fratton Park would hardly be a bad result, with Tuncay out as well.

[Frankie]

7 points from the first 4 games would be excellent I think.

[Iai]

Yeah bearing in mind most people predicted we'd only have 3.

[Frankie]

Well we're starting to perform quite well. I know his performance last saturday didnt show it but, Stewie has started really well to the season and him and Tuncay have been key for us.

[Britney Diva]

Massive LOL at Eboue

Stupid ****er took a dive in the box, won a penalty and now looks to have broken his ankle in the process. Couldn't have happened to a nicer person, to be perfectly honest.

[mph4ever]

bad day at the races

[808]

Is Nasri injured?

[Pastorius]

Liverpoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Liverpoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooool

Liverpoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Outplayed you mothers good and proper

[mph4ever]

Liverpoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Liverpoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooool

Liverpoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Outplayed you mothers good and proper

yup, can't argue

enjoy your day. they are few and far between, bask in your glory whilst you can, these moments should be treasured, its not very often that your team gets to spur on another team to equal their record, thats the sting in the tail

[Pastorius]

What's that mate?

All I heard was "Man United got thoroughly buggered by Liverpool"

That Guthrie challenge was shameful. Barton's been teaching him some tricks.

[benfan]

What's that mate?

All I heard was "Man United got thoroughly buggered by Liverpool"

That Guthrie challenge was shameful. Barton's been teaching him some tricks.

Hope that wasnt a poke at the Toon :angry:

Things just get shitter at St. James', the way its going i think we'll be lucky to stay up this season.

[Pastorius]

It's really a sorry state of affairs up there isn't it, hope they sort something out and soon. Sad to see a club like Newcastle in such a shambles.

[mph4ever]

i hope the get relegated, do them the world of good, and the championship too

[sgrevs]

Liverpoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Liverpoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooool

Liverpoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Outplayed you mothers good and proper

Liverpoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!!

3 big ones in the bag baby!

In other news, Chelsea are looking fiiine.

[poorquality]

Jesus we play like we played at Anfield and Chelsea will destroy us.

Though I'm thankful that Fergie is the type of manager who'll get us really fired up and hopefully we'll end Chelsea's unbeaten home record, god knows we have the talent, but it's all about performing on the night, and Chelsea performed 100x better than Utd this week though agaisnt weaker opposition. I'll be in vegas for the Chelsea match, hope getting up at 6am is worth it to see us hopefully beat Chelsea.

[mph4ever]

just stay in the casino, you won't notice if its day or night for the whole time

[Echleon]

Liverpoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Liverpoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooool

Liverpoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Outplayed you mothers good and proper

Can't really argue much, our passing was absolutely dire and we just kept losing the ball. Everyone seemed to want to hoof the ball up to Berbatov just because we now have a tall striker.

You got damn lucky with the goals though! I agree you deserved them, but they came in a such a **** fashion :(

[Frankie]

It's really a sorry state of affairs up there isn't it, hope they sort something out and soon. Sad to see a club like Newcastle in such a shambles.

I'm laughing endlessly

[badtaste]

Bloody hell, what is it with Timmy Cahill always scoring on return from injury?

[Talos]

Just looking at the odds for the teams to finish bottom.
Corals odds are:

Stoke 11/10
Hull 6/4
West Brom 15/2
Bolton 14/1
Fulham 33/1
West Ham 33/1
Sunderland 40/1
Wigan 40/1
Blackburn 50/1
Newcastle 50/1
Middlesbrough 66/1
Everton 150/1
Aston Villa 250/1
Portsmouth 250/1
Tottenham 250/1
Man City 300/1

Might consider putting a few quid on West Brom

[benfan]

I'm laughing endlessly

Thats cause judging from your location.....your a dirty smoggie :wave:


And i dunno about Man City bieng 'weaker' opposition, they looked threatening on the break. Id just say that Chelsea outplayed them.

[Frankie]

Thats cause judging from your location.....your a dirty smoggie :wave:


And i dunno about Man City bieng 'weaker' opposition, they looked threatening on the break. Id just say that Chelsea outplayed them.

It's hard not to laugh when we have a young english manager who won the monthly award for August and have the best Chairman and owner in the league.

Defoe was on fire yesterday and Pompey just nicked it. Was a proper game of 2 halves that.

[Talos]

Birmingham Ciity to win the Championship and then get into the UEFA Cup next season methinks.

[Britney Diva]

Thats cause judging from your location.....your a dirty smoggie :wave:


And i dunno about Man City bieng 'weaker' opposition, they looked threatening on the break. Id just say that Chelsea outplayed them.
I thought Chelsea looked really vulnerable at the back, probably because Mikel is one of the worst footballers ever, but City looked very comfortable in the final third. It was everywhere else that they looked average.

[benfan]

It's hard not to laugh when we have a young english manager who won the monthly award for August and have the best Chairman and owner in the league.

Defoe was on fire yesterday and Pompey just nicked it. Was a proper game of 2 halves that.

Haha i wasnt taking a dig at youer team. I was just taking a jibe cause im a Toon fan.

But your right, it is a **** situation were in.


Chelsea to appeal against Terry's sending off, you think they will win?

[Talos]

They probably wont win but they should. I dont think it deserved a red really considering how far out it was and it wasnt particularly dangerous or anything.

It was stupid from the captain though, it reminds me of when Croatia scored against England mid-week, instead of staying close to him and biding time so more defenders can come back and help out he lunged straight in and cocked it up

[Frankie]

They probably wont win but they should. I dont think it deserved a red really considering how far out it was and it wasnt particularly dangerous or anything.

It was stupid from the captain though, it reminds me of when Croatia scored against England mid-week, instead of staying close to him and biding time so more defenders can come back and help out he lunged straight in and cocked it up

He got booted in the face hardly a ****-up.

It's also called coming short and Terry does it numerous times for chelsea and kills off an attack straight away.

/is a centre half

[mph4ever]

in before 1000 pages

[Talos]

me too

[Pastorius]

Jesus we play like we played at Anfield and Chelsea will destroy us.

Though I'm thankful that Fergie is the type of manager who'll get us really fired up and hopefully we'll end Chelsea's unbeaten home record, god knows we have the talent, but it's all about performing on the night, and Chelsea performed 100x better than Utd this week though agaisnt weaker opposition. I'll be in vegas for the Chelsea match, hope getting up at 6am is worth it to see us hopefully beat Chelsea.

Give us our dues, Liverpool forced Man United into making errors (which they normally don't make to be fair). Got up in their faces and put them under pressure. It's the only way to beat United, got to take the game to them or they'll walk all over you, too much skill to play it any other way.

Riera was a godsend, finally some WIDTH!

[mph4ever]

Give us our dues, Liverpool forced Man United into making errors (which they normally don't make to be fair). Got up in their faces and put them under pressure. It's the only way to beat United, got to take the game to them or they'll walk all over you, too much skill to play it any other way.

Riera was a godsend, finally some WIDTH!

if liverpool had scored a decent goal then i would give it to you. a draw would have been fair, great for scousers, total failure for manu

[Pastorius]

It's not about scoring 'decent' goals against Man U, it's about scoring them.

I think the way Liverpool played and the way Man U played, a win for us was fair, you were nothing in the second half at all. Beyond the first 10 minutes it was going in Liverpool's favour.

I thought Babel's finish was alright as well, nice placement, right between 2 defenders. I would expect any good player to score from there though.

[mph4ever]

yeah, i hear ya, but its too hard to stomach so i am just going to create me fergie-esque reality and say that everything was stacked against us!

[Britney Diva]

I don't think there's any way you could argue for a draw, Liverpool were clearly better.

Chelsea to appeal against Terry's sending off, you think they will win?
I imagine they'll win considering he's English and all. I mean, he didn't deserve to be sent off to begin with, but that's not usually taken into consideration.

[Timm]

in before 1000

[Frankie]

In before 1000

[talk show host]

500 you dolts

[mph4ever]

I don't think there's any way you could argue for a draw, Liverpool were clearly better.

suppose


I imagine they'll win considering he's English and all. I mean, he didn't deserve to be sent off to begin with, but that's not usually taken into consideration.

he clearly committed a professional foul, no two ways about it, and then looks all shocked and innocent. he was just showing his true colours, not too sure he'll get off either unless he does an alan shearer and moans to the fa about his treatment as england captain

[benfan]

In before 1000.

and he didnt deserve a red.

[Pastorius]

The only way it was a red was if the ref saw it as serious foul play, i.e., I've lost the ball so I'm going to tackle him.

I don't think it was the position of the players round him that did it, more the nature of his intent.

[Britney Diva]

he clearly committed a professional foul, no two ways about it, and then looks all shocked and innocent. he was just showing his true colours, not too sure he'll get off either unless he does an alan shearer and moans to the fa about his treatment as england captain
I suppose there's an argument for it- regardless of whether there was a covering defender (there was), he must have assumed he was the last man or else he would have let Carvalho deal with it. And, without being too cynical, I'm guessing that's the reasoning the FA would come out with if it was Carvalho committing the foul and Terry was the covering defender. But I think, combined with the fact Vidic got away with an even more blatant professional foul, he'll get off because of the covering player.

Now watch me get egg on my face when they decide to uphold the red card.

[mph4ever]

he grabbed his shirt when he was away from him, probably away from all the defenders, poor poor judgement by terry, something he is prone to from time to time


on a lighter note, laugh it out loud at mike ashley's statement http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7615655.stm
muppet

[Pastorius]

I don't know what to laugh at, seems alright.

I mean, he made a huge mistake not giving control of the decisions to the manager, but a lot of what he says makes sense.

[Frankie]

It's funny that he thinks a manager can't handle transfers and manage the team but beyond that he seems sincere.

4 years to get to 1000 pages I think thats pretty good.

[Echleon]

I do feel for Ashley after reading his statement, but I can't for the life of me think why he decided to explain himself now - i'm sure the fans may have given him more support if he explained his plans for the club earlier on.

[mph4ever]

because hes a muppet, and because he is still saying that wise is the saviour of newcastle

[RandyfromPennywise]

I think we should all take a moment to reflect. To reflect on the MX Fantasy League.

[Pastorius]

because hes a muppet, and because he is still saying that wise is the saviour of newcastle

I didn't get that from his statement tbh

In current news, how about that liverpool man united game eh?



eh?

[mph4ever]

enjoy it, you deserve every second. an important win for you too, team proved themselves capable without torres and gerrard

about newcastle. what i got from it was that wise and his role is the future of football at a club like newcastle, scouting, bringing players in at a young age, building for the future, selling them on. keegan saw that as his role also, therein lies the difference

[Pastorius]

I don't think he mentioned Wise by name but the two are pretty much synonymous by now aren't they.

It's definitely the route they should be going down, but it's not him that should be making the decisions. Influencing, sure, but final say should always always always go to the manager.

I'll stop taunting you now :p Got to rub it in a little though, it's football innit!

[mph4ever]

I don't think he mentioned Wise by name but the two are pretty much synonymous by now aren't they.

It's definitely the route they should be going down, but it's not him that should be making the decisions. Influencing, sure, but final say should always always always go to the manager.

hard to know, old style is fading. newcastle need a young manager who will work with that system and also grow in their own role. few and far between


I'll stop taunting you now :p Got to rub it in a little though, it's football innit!
taunting me? i hope you haven't even started. biggest game in football and you won, lay it on thick son, whilst you can. anyway, i was in my pub for the match over here and every liverpool fan in my home town must have been in there and they all know i'm manu, all the way. i took some amount of stick but was surprised they didn't go mad. talked to a few and they felt that a win is a win but that they have no confidence in them. they are going to have to be consistent to renew the confidence

then this morning, postman arrives, fu!cker only has his liverpool jersey on him and note saying special delivery, just for me, now thats taunting ;)

[badtaste]

I think we should all take a moment to reflect. To reflect on the MX Fantasy League.

:lol: Don't count your chickens, Tømás.

[mph4ever]

heather mills is the next manager of newcastle, odds on

full story here http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/09/taking_the_mike.html

[Britney Diva]

haha that reminds me

Paddy Power have 250/1 odds on Sarah Palin's next scandal involving the breaking and entering of an igloo

I want a piece of that ****

[Frankie]

heather mills is the next manager of newcastle, odds on

full story here http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/09/taking_the_mike.html

robbo robson is the best football pundit ever

[mph4ever]

robbo robson is the best football pundit ever


odds on, says it like it is

[mph4ever]

apparently terry has to prove that it did not merit a card at all. you can't downgrade a straight red


In any case, Football Association rules have it that a card cannot be downgraded, but only cancelled entirely - that is to say, even if one feels that this should have been a yellow, rather than a red card offence, only if it can be shown that no card was merited at all could Terry be given a reprieve.

full short story here

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=864888

[Britney Diva]

The whole thing should probably be rescinded- it was the referee's error to begin with. If those are the rules though, he may have to sit it out (plus an extra match for launching an unsuccessful appeal XD)

[Frankie]

I'd like to see the FA show some consistency and ban Terry for a extra game for launching an ultimately frivolous appeal.

It won't happen as he play for a top 4 club.

[poorquality]

There's not actually a rule for last man tackling, while I think there should be, there isn't. Terry should have been given a yellow for a deliberate offence to impede the opposition from going on goal, but in the rule book it's a yellow card offence.

The thing thats against Terry now is the fact the Ref came out and said he judged it as serious foul play, his judgement told him to send him off for that challenge, I personally think yeah he should have been, he got out paced and dragged Jo back, but what we think doesn't matter, it's the rules that count. Now by the rules the FA would overturn the card in a second if it was deemed last man as Carvalhio (sp?) was making his way back to intercept. BUT since it was foul play rather than last man (we established last man isn't an actual ruling, but impeding a clear goal scoring opportunity is), it makes it difficult for the FA. In the past they've sided with a referees judgement and kept the ban, even if it was clearly wrong, simply as it was the referees judgement and they like to stick by their referees. Wrong I know, but it's happened, and chances are it'll happen here.

By all rights he could have it recinded and be playing on sunday, though as a fan of football i'm disapointed, but as a fan of united i'm happy, that chances are the FA will uphold the ban. That is unless they grow a pair and start enforcing rules rather than backing referee's poor decision.

I think Sam Alyrdice put it best "Respect is a good thing, but you have to earn it".