Hardcore Community Thread

[shane italian]

WE GOT THE POINT ACROSS!

[BuddyBigsby]

Good, this thread will probably do more good in here than R/M. Less morons and newbs.

[shane italian]

I would ask for it to be stickied but I doubt JmE is going to think it's very important, and I'm pretty positive Kithkin won't.

[NakedRaygun872]

I didn't realize half those bands are considered Metalcore or Hardcore I always lumped it into one genre because I was too lazy to figure out who went where but you dumbed it down enough for me so thank you.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Grindcore in its purest form consisted of short, apocalyptic blasts of noise played on standard heavy metal instrumentation (distorted guitar, bass, drums). Although grindcore wasn't just randomly improvised, it certainly didn't follow conventional structure, either; while riffs could sometimes be picked out, pure grindcore never featured verses, choruses, or even melodies. Grindcore vocals sounded torturous, ranging from high-pitched shrieks to low, throat-shredding growls and barks; although the lyrics were usually quite verbose, they were very rarely intelligible. Some bands in this catagory can also be known as Mathcore. Meaning they're more complex in the musical writings.

Grindcore bands:
Napalm Death, Dillinger Escape Plan, Death, Carcass, The Locust, The Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza

[Let's Chop Cats!]

I'm no expert on that so someone add more if needed.

[Luxor]

I remember you posting this in R&M.

I also remember it getting completely ignored with the exception of BuddyBigsby and I.

[BuddyBigsby]

I don't feel like typing out a definition of screamo, because I know someone's going to ask it in here eventually, so if you want one:

Go to the pop-punk forum.

Search for a thread titeld "REAL screamo"

Voila.

[DFelon204409]

For people's education we should also make a list of all of the professors on the subject who actually know what's going on. That way they won't be getting bogus info from some stupid n00b.

[Johnny EPHC]

We should have a thread like the metal forum has stickied, explaining all the genres that fall into this forum.

[shane italian]

Grindcore Bands:
Pig Destroyer, Agorphobic Nosebleed, **** and Ball Torture...

Sk8Ska, could you bold the word Grindcore on yours so people will notice that it's another explaination?

[Luxor]

I don't feel like typing out a definition of screamo, because I know someone's going to ask it in here eventually, so if you want one:

Go to the pop-punk forum.

Search for a thread titeld "REAL screamo"

Voila.

It just so happens that thread was bumped for some reason the other day. here:

Ok, this is sort of a stupid thing to make a thread about, but it's been getting on my nerves more and more lately as I see the term screamo being thrown around to emo, pop-punk, and emocore bands like Thursday, Thrice, Poison the Well, Alexisonfire, and so on. Screamo is not this. Screamo is a really noisy, chaotic, and ultimately pretty unknown type of music. Some screamo bands are: Neil Perry, Kaospilot (hehe, norwegians), Orchid, Love Lost But Not Forgotten, and Pg. 99. I'm just getting into this form of music, is anyone else here into these bands?

Kaospilot
http://www.novarecordings.de/mp3/kaospilot_a_false_hollywood_promise.mp3

Neil Perry
http://www.novarecordings.de/mp3/neil_perry-split_7inch-white_trash.mp3

[DrGolovaCroxby]

what would you consider the Circle Jerks, then.

i've always considered them hardcore.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Hardcore

[NakedRaygun872]

Probably "Old Hardcore."

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Grind Bands:
Pig Destroyer, Agorphobic Nosebleed, **** and Ball Torture...

Sk8Ska, could you bold the word Grindcore on yours so people will notice that it's another explaination?
You can copy paste my thing into the main post so more people read it if you want to. Also makes it easier to read.


Give me a minute and I'll copy paste some stuff off of fourfa.com for emo/emocore/screamo

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Emocore style has become broader over the years. In the beginning, these bands consisted mostly of people who played in hardcore punk bands, got burned out its limited forms, and moved to a guitar-oriented, midtempo rock-based sound with emotional punk vocals (i.e., no posed soulful crooning like pop music). The central aspect here is the guitars - distorted, strummed mostly in duo unison, with occasional catchy riff highlights. This becomes known as the classic "D.C. sound," along with the octave chords that show up in later "emo" music. Later bands bring in more pop elements, like catchy-riff based songs, pop song structures (listen to Jawbreaker's "Chesterfield King" to illustrate this), and less-punk, more-smoothly-sung high-register singing (less yelling, straining, throatiness). Listen to Elliot or Chamberlain for an example of how alternative-pop this music has become. Yet those bands are undeniably still emocore. Also note most emocore bands play Gibson Les Paul guitars, with a few SGs, and use mostly Marshall JCM-800 amps.

Emocore bands:
Rites of Spring, Embrace, Gray Matter, Ignition, Dag Nasty, Monsula, Fugazi kind of, Fuel, Samiam, Jawbreaker, Hot Water Music, Elliot, Friction, Soulside, early Lifetime, Split Lip/Chamberlain, Kerosene 454

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Emo is one of the most misunderstood genres of all time. Started 1988 post-Minor Threat. One of the most recognizable and universal elements of emo shows up in the guitar sound of this style: the octave chord. The vocal style is usually much more intense than emocore, ranging from normal singing in the quiet parts to a kind of pleading howl to gut-wrenching screams to actual sobbing and crying. Lyrics tend toward somewhat abstract poetry, and are usually low in the mix and hard to decipher.

Emo bands:
Moss Icon, the Hated, Silver Bearings, Native Nod, Merel, Hoover, Current, Indian Summer, Evergreen, Navio Forge, Still Life, Shotmaker, Policy of Three, Clikatat Ikatowi, Maximillian Colby, Sleepytime Trio, Noneleftstanding, Embassy, Ordination of Aaron, Floodgate, Four Hundred Years, Frail, Lincoln, Julia, Shroomunion

[BuddyBigsby]

But that FourFa definition doesn't cover the modern stuff. Might want to elaborate on that.

[shane italian]

I'll do it.

[Johnny EPHC]

I think compiling this into one big thread is a good idea.

[Jedi Jesus]

This needs to be stickied.

Hardcore is such an all spanning genre though, some bands sound like minor threat, some sound like hatebreed.

[BuddyBigsby]

Well, but Minor Threat are old school hardcore (or OG hardcore, as I like to call it), and Hatebreed are metalcore. There really is a difference.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

To add to some of the definitions...

For metalcore add that since they're based of metal there is more complexity in the writings of guitar, more noted riffs added to it than hardcore has.

[syrUsbilt]

The line between hardcore and metalcore is pretty blurry in some points.


Terror could go either way.
Cast Aside could go either way.
Hatebreed is metalcore but you could say they are very heavily influenced by hardcore.

etc....

[BuddyBigsby]

Well, Hatebreed are the true definition of metalcore. Unlike other "metalcore" bands (Bleeding Through, As I Lay Dying) which are 99% metal, 1% hardcore. Hatebreed are pretty 50/50. Seriously, listen to a real hardcore band like Blood for Blood or something... how much of that do you hear in BT or AILD? That's right, none.

[imnotyourcrackwhore]

CORE OVERDOSE! There doesn't need to be so many sub categories. After awhile, it all becomes a private club.

[BuddyBigsby]

Then tell the bands to stop being original and making their own sounds, thus starting their own genres.

[DrGolovaCroxby]

man. i hate it when bands are creative and make good, original music.

[shane italian]

Then tell the bands to stop being original and making their own sounds, thus starting their own genres.pwnage

[BuddyBigsby]

Stickied!!! Thank you anonymous mod!

[pedro durruti]

Ok, so bands like Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Gorilla Biscuits, Minor Threat, Wasted Youth, Youth of Today are all old school hardcore bands? And "old school hardcore" is just another sub genre of punk such as... street? What about bands like Rise Against, Thought Riot, and Strike Anywhere (I mean I know they are melodic hardcore, but I want to know if they would belong in this thread)? I listened to some sample songs of American Nightmare (except it was their other name) and I'm pretty sure Sk8 said they were hardcore, and they sound completely different from every band I have listed so far.

[BuddyBigsby]

Ok, so bands like Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Gorilla Biscuits, Minor Threat, Wasted Youth, Youth of Today are all old school hardcore bands? And "old school hardcore" is just another sub genre of punk such as... street? What about bands like Rise Against, Thought Riot, and Strike Anywhere (I mean I know they are melodic hardcore, but I want to know if they would belong in this thread)? I listened to some sample songs of American Nightmare (except it was their other name) and I'm pretty sure Sk8 said they were hardcore, and they sound completely different from every band I have listed so far.

Yes, old school hardcore is correct. Rise Against can go in this thread, all hardcore is welcome. As for the American Nightmare songs, you said you checked out the music they made under Give Up the Ghost, meaning their last album, which they experimented very much on. That album isn't the best (it works, but not the best) for trying to figure out what hardcore is. Listen to "AM/PM" by them if you want an idea. The other reason GUTG/American Nightmare didn't sound like the bands mentioned is because they are modern hardcore, an evolved form of Black Flag, etc., and of course they are completely different from Rise Against and Strike Anywhere because melodic hardcore and hardcore are different genres.

PS. As long as we're on the subject, if you want a really good band that sounds like they came from the 80's hardcore punk scene, check out Hit the Deck.

[DFelon204409]

Also there's an interesting division here. I have found there to be two breeds of melodic hardcore. The one I figured was melodic hardcore were bands like In Pieces and Thrice but I've read a lot of people who label Strike Anywhere, Rise Against, and Bad Religion as melodic hardcore. Any opinions on which labelling is 2legit2quit.

[BuddyBigsby]

In Pieces and Thrice would be what I think to be melodic hardcore. Strike Anywhere, etc. always came off as melodic punk to me.

[munk]

does anyone over the age of 14 even listen to this music?

[BuddyBigsby]

Better question: Does anyone care what Newby McNewbster has to say about something he knows nothing about?

[munk]

lol dont get hostile (unless you really are just 14 then ill understand)

my point is, i play guitar (and a few other instruments) and i have grown an appreciation for well done, thought out music. but to the point, my friend is very much into all these "Core" bands, (made me download that am/pm song by her favorite band american nightmare) and i just sat here listening to it like wow, this sucks.

i guess im being hypocritical, i probably would have loved music like this when i was little because its all obnoxious and ****, but i dunno, its not really music and its pretty silly when people compare openly non melodic "noise" to music.

i suggest you guys check out a few bands like Godspeed or Mogwai, Explosions in the sky, Mum, and A silver mount zion, they are whats called "post rock" or "advanced", very melodic, listening to Godspeed and listening to am/pm by american nightmare, the contrast between beauty melody and progressiveness and the blandness and noise of am/pm, is just awe inspiring.

[Jedi Jesus]

bland? hardly.

[DFelon204409]

I listen to Godspeed You! Black Emperor all the freakin' time and to put it bluntly, fordirelifesake, talent-wise, could put them to shame without apprendages. Ya, they're that good.

[DFelon204409]

Better question: Does anyone care what Newby McNewbster has to say about something he knows nothing about?

Oh Buddy! It's just a newb kid! A newby mcnewbface. Here, have an avatar, newbie.

I really wish there was a better way to express my contempt for certain people in the world other than by butchering Family Guy jokes. But alas there is not!

[Luxor]

lol dont get hostile (unless you really are just 14 then ill understand)

my point is, i play guitar (and a few other instruments) and i have grown an appreciation for well done, thought out music. but to the point, my friend is very much into all these "Core" bands, (made me download that am/pm song by her favorite band american nightmare) and i just sat here listening to it like wow, this sucks.

i guess im being hypocritical, i probably would have loved music like this when i was little because its all obnoxious and ****, but i dunno, its not really music and its pretty silly when people compare openly non melodic "noise" to music.

i suggest you guys check out a few bands like Godspeed or Mogwai, Explosions in the sky, Mum, and A silver mount zion, they are whats called "post rock" or "advanced", very melodic, listening to Godspeed and listening to am/pm by american nightmare, the contrast between beauty melody and progressiveness and the blandness and noise of am/pm, is just awe inspiring.

I listen to all the "core" bands, and Godspeed, Mogwai and Explosions In The Sky. :smoke:

[shane italian]

You don't have to have sheer talent to play ambience.

[syrUsbilt]

I don't think the title of this thread is "let newbie try to pwn everyone into submission, then make them listen to music we dont want to". If that were the title your comments wouldn't be so out of place.

And just because you may not think a song is "thought out" it doesn't mean it's bad. Hardcore isnt meant to be technically challenging, its meant to be like raw energy put into musical form. If you dont like it get out.

[Pete]

lol dont get hostile (unless you really are just 14 then ill understand)

my point is, i play guitar (and a few other instruments) and i have grown an appreciation for well done, thought out music. but to the point, my friend is very much into all these "Core" bands, (made me download that am/pm song by her favorite band american nightmare) and i just sat here listening to it like wow, this sucks.

i guess im being hypocritical, i probably would have loved music like this when i was little because its all obnoxious and ****, but i dunno, its not really music and its pretty silly when people compare openly non melodic "noise" to music.

i suggest you guys check out a few bands like Godspeed or Mogwai, Explosions in the sky, Mum, and A silver mount zion, they are whats called "post rock" or "advanced", very melodic, listening to Godspeed and listening to am/pm by american nightmare, the contrast between beauty melody and progressiveness and the blandness and noise of am/pm, is just awe inspiring.
Jesus crappin' Christ in a toilet full of mucus! :eek:

Put your prog-rock next to Converge or Dillinger Escape Plan, and let's see who's the most progressive and technically accomplished.

[dudetezz]

Ahem. COOOOOOOOOONVERGEEEE!!!.

Im done.

[BuddyBigsby]

lol dont get hostile (unless you really are just 14 then ill understand)

my point is, i play guitar (and a few other instruments) and i have grown an appreciation for well done, thought out music. but to the point, my friend is very much into all these "Core" bands, (made me download that am/pm song by her favorite band american nightmare) and i just sat here listening to it like wow, this sucks.

i guess im being hypocritical, i probably would have loved music like this when i was little because its all obnoxious and ****, but i dunno, its not really music and its pretty silly when people compare openly non melodic "noise" to music.

i suggest you guys check out a few bands like Godspeed or Mogwai, Explosions in the sky, Mum, and A silver mount zion, they are whats called "post rock" or "advanced", very melodic, listening to Godspeed and listening to am/pm by american nightmare, the contrast between beauty melody and progressiveness and the blandness and noise of am/pm, is just awe inspiring.

I've known about those bands for a while. The only good post-rock that I've heard is Explosions in the Sky and Pelican, and I like some Mogwai. G!YBE and A Silver Mt. Zion just don't do it for me.

[FinchBulldog]

SCREAM-O Bands:
A Static Lullaby, Finch, Funeral For A Friend, The Used, Story Of The Year (borderline), Newer From autumn to ashes, thursday, my chemical romance, etc.

[Niblade]

I'm just curious, what would you consider the Deftones then? As far as their sound is concerned anyway. I was just wondering.

[will]

lol dont get hostile (unless you really are just 14 then ill understand)

my point is, i play guitar (and a few other instruments) and i have grown an appreciation for well done, thought out music. but to the point, my friend is very much into all these "Core" bands, (made me download that am/pm song by her favorite band american nightmare) and i just sat here listening to it like wow, this sucks.

i guess im being hypocritical, i probably would have loved music like this when i was little because its all obnoxious and ****, but i dunno, its not really music and its pretty silly when people compare openly non melodic "noise" to music.

i suggest you guys check out a few bands like Godspeed or Mogwai, Explosions in the sky, Mum, and A silver mount zion, they are whats called "post rock" or "advanced", very melodic, listening to Godspeed and listening to am/pm by american nightmare, the contrast between beauty melody and progressiveness and the blandness and noise of am/pm, is just awe inspiring.

I am 14 and have a very wide range of music - i listen to most of the 'core' bands as descibed in the thread, to mogwai, explosions in the sky, and other melodic post rock, but my taste in music also reaches classical, jazz, pop/rock, and ska. I am sick of constantly being catogorised as an obnoxious teen who only listens to non melodic noise and nu-metal. Sure, I enjoy noise bands (converge, norma jean and the like...) but don't you all think that it is time to stop analysing sub-genres, criticizing people for their music taste, and stereotyping young music fans, and time to start paying attention to what really matters - the musicians, what they stand for, and whether or not the music is what you like?

[BuddyBigsby]

ATTN: EVERYONE

SCREAM-O Bands:
A Static Lullaby, Finch, Funeral For A Friend, The Used, Story Of The Year (borderline), Newer From autumn to ashes, thursday, my chemical romance, etc.

This is false information this kid just got from MTV, please disregard it.

[Niblade]

Just as well, I used to think that the only thing "core" bands had going for them were their drummers, they are some great guys. Now I listen to the music for the pure energy of it. Zao's 5 Year Winter really makes you want to move. On the same line, Symphony In Peril are just as good, they are some talented guys to write the way they do. I just think it's crazy how some of them are even able to go so far as to write songs that just don't have any repeating factor. Almost like a story. It has a beginning and an end, just continuous new riffs, no chorus, no repetition, at least not all the time. Then again, I play guitar, and I like to listen to guitars, all kinds of them. It's just incredible what they do sometimes.

Sorry, just had to post my 2 cents. I've been watchin' for so long that I gave up keepin' quiet.

[Johnny EPHC]

SCREAM-O Bands:
A Static Lullaby, Finch, Funeral For A Friend, The Used, Story Of The Year (borderline), Newer From autumn to ashes, thursday, my chemical romance, etc.
:lol: :lol: This si the funniest thing I've ever read in my life. :lol: :lol:

[DFelon204409]

ATTN: EVERYONE

This is false information this kid just got from MTV, please disregard it.

How about that anonymous mod comes by and deletes that false post.

[BouncingSouls87]

This forum is really intresting I never could tell the two metalcore and hardcore apart, but this really helped me understand. Because Im slow and
what would Glassjaw be considered?

[BuddyBigsby]

GlassJAw kind of have their own thing going on. They have a little bit of emo going on too, but DFelon could better explain this than I.

[shane italian]

Older Glassjaw would mix their hardcore and metal influences into something pretty unique. These days they are still making amazing music in my opinion, but they brought a poppier sound into the music and ditched most of their metal influences.

[Luxor]

Click here if you would like to hear one of the best metalcore bands:

The I Collective
http://www.theicollective.com/tic_-_01.mp3
http://www.theicollective.com/tic_-_02.mp3

These guys go to/used to go to my school. Unfortunately, they broke up because they're a bunch of drunken idiots.:(

Good band, good live show. The singer would sometimes go out into the middle of the pit and start beating the **** out of kids in the middle of a song.

[NakedRaygun872]

Holy crap how do they get that "Wiffa Wiffa Wiffa" sounds like a spinning speaker effect.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Woah they're awesome. Are there names to these tracks?...I'm the kind of nerd who likes to have things organized correctly.

[DFelon204409]

Thank you Buddy for the introdution. Glassjaw is an amalgam of many genres. They seem to have taken everything that was good about nu-metal, which was nothing, and base their sound off of that. The thing is they sound ilke they could be tossed into the nu-metal category because they have some screaming and some Drop D chords but for some reason they defy this genre. They throw in elements of post-hardcore into their music like cool arpeggiated chords and offtime riffs that a nu-metal band would never pull off but they still sound like they have roots somewhere in there. Also, "Radio Cambodia" is a punk song and "Must've Run All Day" manages to keep a porn groove vibe going. It's realy awesome stuff. I think they should be here because there definitely is some core happening in Glassjaw's music even if it comes out in weird ways.

[BuddyBigsby]

Haha, I've heard of The I Collective before. I didn't know they broke up though, that sucks.

[Luxor]

The first songs "Scourge" and the second is "Diane". Diane isn't very good, they have much better songs than that one. I have one of their EP's, I should put it on the computer and send it to you guys.

Bigsby - You probably heard them from me.:)

[Nataroo]

there seems to be 2 directions of metalcore , 80s metal and grind - and their kinda nowhere near similar enough to put in the same subgenre - on the one hand you have the real rythmically broken up chromatic/****ed up jazz chord based everytime i die/curl up and die style stuff - then on the other side you have the bands like darkest hour/as i lay dying/atreyu style stuff thats basically a punked up version of 80s metal which raspy vocals, lots of shreddy riffs - well theres more to it than that but it kinda rules hard - its basically like the music you had on the last level of old early 90s shooting games (like zero wing, man that game ruled).

[DFelon204409]

Woah they're awesome. Are there names to these tracks?...I'm the kind of nerd who likes to have things organized correctly.

Your Deadly Rythm tab isn't very good. IM me at DFelon204409 if you want to fix it.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Yeah I know, I'm to lazy to fix it.

[BuddyBigsby]

Schooled

[Big-Bird]

what bout dead kennedys and suicidal tendencies. are they hardcore then?

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Not DK and I haven't listened to ST in over a year so I donno.

[Big-Bird]

why isnt DK hardcore. i was always under the impression that they were...

[Luxor]

I thought DK was considered hardcore punk... Minor Threat, Black Flag, Bad Brains etc.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

They'e Punk/Punk Rock (what ever floats your boat)

They're really don't have anything in common with hardcore of those days. When you compare bands like Minor Threat and Black Flag to Dead Kennedys you should notice some big differences. Such as the general tone of the amp, the chords played, the style of vocals. Jello really doesn't do any sort of scream.

Also I've herad Jello himself call them punk rock.

[Ramonesrule is banned]

Dead Kennedys are a surfcore (hardcore influenced by surf and punk) band and ST are a hardcore/metal band, they switched between those two genres. But, yeah, thyey're both Hardcore bands.

[Luxor]

Yeah, there are definately some differences... but for some reason I was always under the impression that they were slumped into that category.

[Ramonesrule is banned]

I think of them as a hardcore band that did something really different from everyone else.

[munk]

thats funny how that 14 year old (will) was the most rational person on this thread, i stand some-what corrected.

[shane italian]

Sure, I enjoy noise bands (converge, norma jean and the like...) but don't you all think that it is time to stop analysing sub-genres, criticizing people for their music taste, and stereotyping young music fans, and time to start paying attention to what really matters - the musicians, what they stand for, and whether or not the music is what you like?This is why I made this thread, hardcore bands aren't looking to be known as amazing musicians. They are in it for the hardcore scene, playing shows, seeing kids dance their hearts out, engaging in pile ons, etc. They stand for every show they play.

[munk]

This is why I made this thread, hardcore bands aren't looking to be known as amazing musicians. They are in it for the hardcore scene, playing shows, seeing kids dance their hearts out, engaging in pile ons, etc. They stand for every show they play.

sounds like something i musta missed out on, but anyway now that iv alienated everyone, i was wondering if you guys would review a song i made, i think it would best be described as 'grindcore'..

dl link

the f*** s*** - SODOMY! (http://members.aol.com/qish/The_F---_S----SODOMY.wav)

...the name needs work i know

[syrUsbilt]

I want my minute and fifteen seconds back.

[Gotkookie]

You need to add Post hardcore/Screamo, I dont really know a good definition of it, but someone here probably does

[rather_be_dead]

You need to add Post hardcore/Screamo, I dont really know a good definition of it, but someone here probably does

seriously, listen to this band

this is what real post hardcore sounds like:

http://listen.to/wpp

to describe it

very VERY weird sounds coming out of the guitars
fast tempo drums
a combination of yelling and screaming, the vocals are very disorganized and crazy
and some cool melodic breakdowns every here and there

[widzjnent]

If every form of hardcore is welcome in this thread also New York Hardcore belongs in here.
Some NYHC bands:
Madball, Sick of it All, Agnostic Front, ... Could anyone fill this list up?

[cbmartinez]

Gray Matter is emo?

[Luxor]

You need to add Post hardcore/Screamo, I dont really know a good definition of it, but someone here probably does

Cirlce Takes The Square is a good screamo band.

http://www.hxcmp3.com/play.php?band_id=1710&song_id=3081&mode=song_hifi
http://www.hxcmp3.com/play.php?band_id=1710&song_id=3085&mode=song_hifi
http://www.hxcmp3.com/play.php?band_id=1710&song_id=3086&mode=song_hifi

[Lennyswar]

Gray Matter is emo?

i dont think so, but i am not expert at all this.

[ameranth15]

**Decided to bring this into the Punk Forum. If it turns into a spam/agrument thread then close it as soon as possible. It's meant for education and actual discussion.


This is for those of you who throw around the the phrase hardcore far too often.

Metalcore is often mistaken for Hardcore on these boards. Here's the difference.

Hardcore is punk influenced music that sometimes has a heavier sound and sometime's doesn't. It sometimes have breakdowns and some don't, this depends more on the age of the band. Some are straight edge, some aren't. But most have honest sincere lyrics about issues that they themselves face.

Metalcore is obviously metal influenced and because they're of this there is more complexity in the writings of guitar, more noted riffs added to it than hardcore has.. Some say that it has punk influences...but that depends on what band you are talking about. Metalcore has a lot of breakdowns, most of which have the "JUN JUN JUN" sound which some double bass. Metalcore was a lot better a couple years ago before more and more band's started learning that you can tune into drop-C, use only thin picks, and get a drummer who knows his double bass.

Hardcore bands:
American Nightmare, Black Flag, Comeback Kid, Floorpunch, Ten Yard Fight, No Innocent Victim, Dodgin Bullets, With Honor, Gorilla Biscuits, Mouthpiece, Sworn Enemy, Sworn In, Over My Dead Body, Minor Threat, Mental, My Luck, The Promise, Throwdown, Stretch Arm Strong, Terror, Until The End, What Feeds The Fire, Some Kind Of Hate, Champion, Count Me Out, Without Warning, Most Precious Blood, Modern Life Is war, Scrotum Grinder, No Warning...

Metalcore bands:
On Broken Wings, Scarlet, Every Time I Die, This Day Forward, The Bled, Scars Of Tomorrow, Love Is Red, Cataract, Bleeding Through, Norma Jean, Nora, As I Lay Dying, Beauty To Ashes, Thirty Called Arson, Unearth, With Resistance, Botch, Underoath, Himsa, Evelynn, Darkest Hour, Atreyu, It Dies Today...

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Grindcore in its purest form consisted of short, apocalyptic blasts of noise played on standard heavy metal instrumentation (distorted guitar, bass, drums). Although grindcore wasn't just randomly improvised, it certainly didn't follow conventional structure, either; while riffs could sometimes be picked out, pure grindcore never featured verses, choruses, or even melodies. Grindcore vocals sounded torturous, ranging from high-pitched shrieks to low, throat-shredding growls and barks; although the lyrics were usually quite verbose, they were very rarely intelligible. Some bands in this catagory can also be known as Mathcore. Meaning they're more complex in the musical writings.

Grindcore bands:
Napalm Death, Dillinger Escape Plan, Death, Carcass, The Locust, The Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza, **** and Ball Torture, Pig Destroyer, Agoraphobic Nosebleed...

Emo style has become broader over the years. In the beginning, these bands consisted mostly of people who played in hardcore punk bands, got burned out its limited forms, and moved to a guitar-oriented, midtempo rock-based sound with emotional punk vocals (i.e., no posed soulful crooning like pop music). The central aspect here is the guitars - distorted, strummed mostly in duo unison, with occasional catchy riff highlights. This becomes known as the classic "D.C. sound," along with the octave chords that show up in later "emo" music. Later bands bring in more pop elements, like catchy-riff based songs, pop song structures (listen to Jawbreaker's "Chesterfield King" to illustrate this), and less-punk, more-smoothly-sung high-register singing (less yelling, straining, throatiness). Listen to Elliot or Chamberlain for an example of how alternative-pop this music has become. Yet those bands are undeniably still emocore. Also note most emo bands play Gibson Les Paul guitars, with a few SGs, and use mostly Marshall JCM-800 amps...Emo has recently evolved into something more complex since the D.C. era. Bands have adopted to more obscure lyrics along with intricate riffs and interesting vocals.

Emo bands:
Rites of Spring, Embrace, Gray Matter, Ignition, Dag Nasty, Monsula, Fugazi kind of, Fuel, Samiam, Jawbreaker, Hot Water Music, Elliot, Friction, Soulside, early Lifetime, Split Lip/Chamberlain, Kerosene 454
YOU SUCK!!!!!! Go away!!!!!!

[Let's Chop Cats!]

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[NewKindofArmy03]

this doesnt have to do with the thread, but check out this awesome melodic hardcore band. http://www.hxcmp3.com/bands/10051/

[Gotkookie]

Cirlce Takes The Square is a good screamo band.

http://www.hxcmp3.com/play.php?band_id=1710&song_id=3081&mode=song_hifi
http://www.hxcmp3.com/play.php?band_id=1710&song_id=3085&mode=song_hifi
http://www.hxcmp3.com/play.php?band_id=1710&song_id=3086&mode=song_hifi

ya i know, i have their cd :rolleyes:

[Luxor]

ya i know, i have their cd :rolleyes:

Ah yes, you made a thread earlier this week.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Nice job, iHATEgc. (sorry for the late "nice job" but I've been away.)

EDIT: You too, Sk8Ska and BuddyBigsby.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Thank you, I see my copy paste skills are highly praised.

[Luxor]

y0uz dA kIngf 0f c0Py pAstE gAnGsta!1!

[DFelon204409]

You need to add Post hardcore/Screamo, I dont really know a good definition of it, but someone here probably does

I'll do post-hardcore.

[NakedRaygun872]

Post-Hardcore
In the early-to-mid '80s, several bands in the United States came to life that were inspired by the do-it-yourself ethics and the cathartic, guitar-heavy material characterized by the hardcore punk bands that predated them. These newer bands, termed post-hardcore, often found complex and dynamic ways of blowing off steam that generally went outside the strict hardcore realm of "loud fast rules." These bands often used more than three chords and they also creatively built and released tension rather than airing their dirty laundry in short, sharp, frenetic bursts. Additionally, many of these bands' vocalists were just as likely to deliver their lyrics with a whispered croon as they were a maniacal yelp. Along with Hüsker Dü, Naked Raygun was one of the first U.S. post-punk bands of the early '80s that merged melodic influences with punk/hardcore. These were the first two bands (Husker and Naked Raygun) in 1981. With other bands in the Chicago scene such as the Effigies, Breaking Circus and Man Sized Action followed by later bands such as Fugazi, Quicksand, Dag Nasty and Mission Of Burma. Another important influence on many of these bands was U.K. post-punk from the late '70s and early '80s; Gang of Four, Public Image Limited, Joy Division, and Wire played a significant role in many of the bands' musical growth.

[BuddyBigsby]

DFelon gone got served.

[cbmartinez]

Hey buddy, are the bands Envy, The Blood Brothers and The Locust considered screamo?

[cbmartinez]

Also, I don't get how Throwdown is hardcore. They have alot more metal and harsh screams then some of those bands under Metalcore.

[NakedRaygun872]

DFelon gone got served.
Oh, I didn't see that he was going to do it.
Whoops.

[BuddyBigsby]

Hey buddy, are the bands Envy, The Blood Brothers and The Locust considered screamo?

The Locust are considered grindcore or spazz, and I haven't heard Envy, though I've been meaning to for over a year. I have a problem finding material from them. The Blood Brothers are considered screamo, although they're not as serious as most screamo bands, and I don't get the same vibe off them as say Orchid. Way more wacky.

EDIT: This one review website that I frequent reviewed the Envy album (which I'm downloading now) a while back, and their reviewer (Yes, reviewer. It's run by two guys and not updated very frequently. Not very popular either, there's about 10 people that post on the message board, including myself, but they have good reviews of underground bands) Bobby referred to it as emo. Here's the site if you want to check it out: www.rockreview.org . Read some of the nu-metal reviews if you want to laugh really hard.

[DFelon204409]

DFelon gone got served.

Uh...I'll do modern post-hardcore.

I've been out since Thursday. I am an escort for the debutante ball so I have to go to these stupid parties. Also, The Blood Brothers are deadly serious but they have wit and are just more playful with their language than other screamo bands.

[Darknessca]

The Bled are not metalcore. They are defintley hardcore. I agree with all of the others....but the bled's riffs and sounds are not like bands like Atreyu or Unearth. And even if they are metalcore, they are mostly hardcore.

[shane italian]

Please listen to the bands listed under hardcore. Then change your post.

[cbmartinez]

How is Throwdown hardcore? That's the only one I saw question about. There more metal than some of the bands on metalcore.

[shane italian]

The only reason you think that is because of the vocals. The riffs are just about the same as most hardcore bands.

[cbmartinez]

No, I think the riffs are really deep and metal. On haymaker anyway.

[shane italian]

Listen to old Throwdown.

[BuddyBigsby]

Yeah, I'd say Throwdown's music is more hardcore-oriented, while the vocals are metalcoreish. They have some metal to them, but I still think of them as a hardcore band.

[DFelon204409]

Oh. I also suggest the pop metalcore band fordirelifesake. Everything is in C Major so it sounds somehow happy despite the omnipresent screaming and guitar soloing. Enjoy kids.

[axeslinga_32]

can i explain the 3 types or waves of emo, as i catagorize them?

1st wave emo - old school (indian summer, julia, moss icon etc.)
emo originated in the 80's as an offshoot of hardcore, it was basically a more emotional form of hardcore, with singer's flailing about, often screaming and crying on-stage. Most emo bands only released their music on 7" vinyl.The fashion consited of tight pants, scarfs, and bangs at an angle.

2nd Wave Emo - mellow alt. (further seems forever, sunny day real estate, get-up kids, saves the day, dashboard confessional etc.)
In the late 80's and early 90's, a mellow form of alternative indie was becoming popular in the underground, these bands had no affiliation with hardcore music, but basically stole the name and the fashion of 1st wave emo, confusing people for many years to come. Many songs were written about love & relationships and many 2nd wave emo bands are still popular today.

3rd wave emo - post-hardcore/emocore/melodic hadcore (Poison the Well, Thursday, Thrice, alexisonfire)
In the early 00's a more melodic, emotional form of modern-hardcore became very popular and still is today. It is truer to original emo than 2nd wave emo in the fact that it sprouted from hardcore and is a more emotional version, except it sprouted from modern hardcore as opposed to old school hardcore punk. It contains screaming as well as clean vocals, and still carries on with some of the characteristics of 2nd wave emo (fashion, lyrical content).

I don't know if this will help at all, but it sure makes things alot simpler for me. Feel free to copy and paste it.

[axeslinga_32]

oh and to the threadstarter, i'de call sworn enemy metalcore, they are like the original form of metalcore, like hatebreed. they've said it themselves, "we are amix between hardcore and heavy metal"

[DFelon204409]

I don't agree with your categorization as we had an argument in a previous thread. Your second-wave is really just indie rock/emocore and your third wave is mostly post-hardcore.

[punkerjeff]

Very Good Job Ihategc!

[evildemonlemurs]

You people are stupid! Metalcore is a fusion of punk, metal, and hardcore. Bands like DRI, Corrosion of Conformity, Stormtroopers of Death, and Suicidal Tendencies are all examples of metalcore. Hardcore is a hareder edged version of punk, with a slight influence of metal. Bands like Minor Threat, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Madball, and Agnostic Front are hardcore. So now that you know, shut up! You are acting like screamo is metalcore, but it isn't. Screamo involves the death metal growl(bad ones at that) and melodys.

[BuddyBigsby]

To evildemon: No.

[TheFirstBus]

Age old question, but where does Refused fall into catagorizing. I mean I know they were somewhat experimental on "The Shape of punk to come, A comercial bombanation in 12 bursts" but still

[cbmartinez]

Refused are Hardcore/Hardcore Punk. Their lyrics are punk and their riffs are mainly punk too. Also, axeslinga, I think that sworn enemy is hardcore. Their vocals are pretty harsh but their riffs are punk I'd say.

[NakedRaygun872]

Refused are Hardcore/Hardcore Punk. Their lyrics are punk and their riffs are mainly punk too. Also, axeslinga, I think that sworn enemy is hardcore. Their vocals are pretty harsh but their riffs are punk I'd say.
Refused are modern jazz fusion. I say "modern" because they are not like mahavishnu orchestra or something.

[DFelon204409]

Refused are modern jazz fusion. I say "modern" because they are not like mahavishnu orchestra or something.

No they're hardcore/punk. The jazz found in their music is in the occasionally neat timing and the jazzy sections like on "The Deadly Rythm" and 'Tanhauser/Derive." Mostly it's hardcore.

[NakedRaygun872]

True their jazzy-ness is mostly in the different timing but thats about it. I was being a stupid head.

[NakedRaygun872]

3rd wave emo - post-hardcore/emocore/melodic hadcore (Poison the Well, Thursday, Thrice, alexisonfire)


Post-hardcore has been around since the early 80's.

[axeslinga_32]

well it's a newer form of post-hardcore,

[axeslinga_32]

my 'waves' catagorization is just a simpler way to recognize the different types of emo.

[NakedRaygun872]

my 'waves' catagorization is just a simpler way to recognize the different types of emo.
It's cool, I'm just more knowledgeable of the older stuff.

[c.l.a.s.h]

free your mind and your *** will follow! :thumb: undefinedundefinedundefined

[c.l.a.s.h]

[QUOTE=c.l.a.s.h]free your mind and your as* will follow! :thumb:

[c.l.a.s.h]

AARRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH how the hell does this work?!

[NakedRaygun872]

What the hell are you talking about?

[BuddyBigsby]

Only 3 posts into his MusicianForums career and already he's proven himself a failure.

[Punk for life]

Sorry but i jsut started getting really into punk about 6 months ago. I was wondering if any of these bands r real punk. Anti-flag, rancid, no use for a name, saves the day, NoFx, MXPX, Misfits, AFI, From autumn to ashes? any of em?

[NakedRaygun872]

Yes, Anti-Flag is punk. Not many people like them around these forums though. For the reasons that they support anarchy yet sell their shirts at hot topic which are government taxed. They're anti-capitalism aswell which kinda nerfs them. Majority of their fans are idiots aswell, but it's cool you're new to the music, stick around and you'll learn.
NUFAN, Saves The Day, MxPx are pop-punk and Nofx has a slight tinge of it too. Misfits are classed as horror punk for singing about killing babies and AFI is considered East bay hardcore or alternative depending on which album. FATA is fashion/metalcore.

[Punk for life]

Are any of those other bands any good punk? Im pretty young and i need help finding some good music :D. Please give me some names of good punk bands.

[NakedRaygun872]

Try Minor Threat, Dead Kennedy's or Stiff Little Fingers for starters.

[Punk for life]

Alright thanks. Are there any bands there that i should delete?

[DFelon204409]

Don't base the way you listen to music on what other people tell you is "real punk." Just take some suggestions and listen to what you like. I suggest Strung Out, Lagwagon, ALL, Bodyjar, Millencolin, Endorphin, Tiger Army, and Thrice. That's pretty varied but all have some good ol' melodic punk in them. Check it out.

[Punk for life]

I know i shouldnt totally base what i thino on what others think but i dotn exactly know alot of good "real punk bands" :D. Ive bin listening to lagwagon for a while.

[BuddyBigsby]

But don't worry about what's "real punk" and what's not man. Just listen to a bunch of bands, find out what you like, and just enjoy it for what it is.

[Punk for life]

yah i guess ur right i should jsut listen to what i think sounds good. I jsut also dont wanna go around withall tehse buttons n patches on n crap and then when somone who knows alot about punk asks me my favourite bands or what ever i dont sound liek a total poser. but i love the bands stiff little fingers and sworn enemy!

[SGlove]

SCREAM-O Bands:
A Static Lullaby, Finch, Funeral For A Friend, The Used, Story Of The Year (borderline), Newer From autumn to ashes, thursday, my chemical romance, etc.

GAH!!!! DONT CALL STORY OF THE YEAR SCREAMO!!!! EVER!!

these bands are not screamo man. thursday is post-hardcore. emocore at best. my chemical romance is pop-punk. story of the year is sh!t. they belong next to good charolette in what people like to call sell-outs. ok. im done.

[Gotkookie]

real true punk doesn't really exist anymore, its all into sub genres now, true punk is very limited in musical structure, although, hardcore still lives on

[lackofmidend69]

im a newb to the forum so please deal with me. What would you classify Between the Buried and Me, God Forbid and Dead to fall as? How come no one aswered the guy who asked about Deftones?

[NakedRaygun872]

But don't worry about what's "real punk" and what's not man. Just listen to a bunch of bands, find out what you like, and just enjoy it for what it is.
Werd.

[AIRIC]

Yes, Anti-Flag is punk. Not many people like them around these forums though. For the reasons that they support anarchy yet sell their shirts at hot topic which are government taxed. They're anti-capitalism aswell which kinda nerfs them. Majority of their fans are idiots aswell, but it's cool you're new to the music, stick around and you'll learn.
NUFAN, Saves The Day, MxPx are pop-punk and Nofx has a slight tinge of it too. Misfits are classed as horror punk for singing about killing babies and AFI is considered East bay hardcore or alternative depending on which album. FATA is fashion/metalcore.


Are there any good fashion core bands?

[BuddyBigsby]

yah i guess ur right i should jsut listen to what i think sounds good. I jsut also dont wanna go around withall tehse buttons n patches on n crap and then when somone who knows alot about punk asks me my favourite bands or what ever i dont sound liek a total poser. but i love the bands stiff little fingers and sworn enemy!

See man, that's the way everyone should think. Keep up the good work.

[BuddyBigsby]

im a newb to the forum so please deal with me. What would you classify Between the Buried and Me, God Forbid and Dead to fall as? How come no one aswered the guy who asked about Deftones?

Between The Buried and Me = Elements of grind and death metal, but they're all over the place. The fact that they're so progressive doesn't really help either. If anything, I'd say they're Progressive Death Metal, but even that's a long shot.

God Forbid = Metal

Dead to Fall = Swedish styled melodic death metal

Deftones = Experimental Hard Rock

[Let's Chop Cats!]

I just call BTBAM metalcore, keeps things easier, but not necessarly right.

[Luxor]

Man, BTBAM are so awesome. Two of the best guitarist out there right now.

[GodCalldInSckTdy]

Hey, I just wanted to say thanks to the person who made this thread/everyone who's posted on it. Everything has been very informational for me.

Ok, so I'm new to punk/hardcore, but from the stuff that I've heard, it's amazing music and I love it. So I have a few questions....1.) I'm really into AFI and I know that they're considered East Bay hardcore. I was wondering if anyone knew of any other bands that would be considered the same. 2.) Does anyone know of some good Straight Edge bands? I really like Minor Threat and I'm looking for some more good bands. 3.) Does anyone know of some good bands that sound like Tiger Army, cuz they're also awesome...and one last one... 4.) Now I've read that Hardcore has alot of punk influences, which I can understand, but this guy I know says he likes hardcore, but hates punk. Does that make sense, or am I the only one who thinks he's f***ed up? (His fav. bands are Zao and Poision the Well). Well, thanks.

[obese_breasts]

many people who are into metal like hardcore aswell

so its not only a punk thing

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Ok, so I'm new to punk/hardcore, but from the stuff that I've heard, it's amazing music and I love it. So I have a few questions....1.) I'm really into AFI and I know that they're considered East Bay hardcore. I was wondering if anyone knew of any other bands that would be considered the same. 2.) Does anyone know of some good Straight Edge bands? I really like Minor Threat and I'm looking for some more good bands. 3.) Does anyone know of some good bands that sound like Tiger Army, cuz they're also awesome...and one last one... 4.) Now I've read that Hardcore has alot of punk influences, which I can understand, but this guy I know says he likes hardcore, but hates punk. Does that make sense, or am I the only one who thinks he's f***ed up? (His fav. bands are Zao and Poision the Well). Well, thanks.

1. Tiger Army kind of sound slike AFI's newer stuff.
2. xCasey Jonesx, Bane, With Honor, xWitnessx, Embrace Today, there's a million edge bands all depends on what style music you want(what kind of hardcore).
3. Donno, I don'tl listen to them all that often.
4. Well I'm assuming he's more into Metalcore stuff, so I guess it's possible. But generally if you like hardcore your gonna like punk.

[NakedRaygun872]

3.) Does anyone know of some good bands that sound like Tiger Army, cuz they're also awesome
Reverend Horton Heat and The Nekromantix.

[c.l.a.s.h]

i think that you get a lot of ****ty pop punk and its annoying.

[NakedRaygun872]

What are you talking about?

[c.l.a.s.h]

sod all

[ringostarr415]

CORE OVERDOSE! There doesn't need to be so many sub categories. After awhile, it all becomes a private club.

you know he does have a bit of a point. im not sayin everyone should try to be the same, but do we really need to classify everything. hardcore, old school, punk, it's all just some kick a.ss music. just leave it at that.

[BuddyBigsby]

you know he does have a bit of a point. im not sayin everyone should try to be the same, but do we really need to classify everything. hardcore, old school, punk, it's all just some kick a.ss music. just leave it at that.

Listen to more music and you'll understand.

[Gotkookie]

good fashion core bands?
thats an oxymoron, fashioncore needs to die

[NewKindofArmy03]

i just listened to between the buried and me. it took me a bit to get used to, but its really good.

[Gotkookie]

yeah they are good but really random

[NewKindofArmy03]

yeah, the song seemed like 3 different songs

[Gotkookie]

it seems like they play a lot of random riffs like its got a really nice breakdown and they play some wierd octave riff on the 1st string

[Videric]

hey dudes

**** and Ball Torture, Pig Destroyer, and Agoraphobic Nosebleed were the only grindcore bands that have been mentioned. The other "grindcore" bands aren't grindcore at all. Carcass is commercialized (not as much as cradle of filth) black/death metal (still good), Death is crust, Dillinger Escape Plan is crap :)


GRINDCORE bands :

Phobia
Cripple Bastards
**** I'm Dead
Excrementory Grind****ers (Funny as hell)
Anal Cunt
Extreme Noise Terror

Crust bands:

Skitsystem
Wolfbrigade/Wolfpack
Doom
Nausea
Iconoclast (there are a few different bands named this..)
Dystopia (sludge crust)
State of Fear
Dropdead
Misery

Asschapel (black metally crust)
Fall of the Bastards (black metally grindy crust.)

[BuddyBigsby]

Listen to "Vomited Anal Tract", Carcass were not commercialized, unless you're referring to the Heartwork era, which wasn't even trying to be grind anyways.

[Videric]

Never said they were trying to be grind, just that they aren't, and yeah I was referring to the videos on MTV (Heartwork era)

[Videric]

I have two Carcass albums, Heartwork and one that is unknown to me, but those two aren't grind records. Maybe their others are, then..

[HXCGuitar]

In my eyes it's all awesome. I have to disagree with you on the Hardcore and Metalcore thing though. To me they are both a mixture of Punk and Metal. When you listen to "Metalcore" do you not notice the punk influence? Wheter it's the guitars or the drums there is always some element of punk. Especially in Underoath (one of your "Metalcore" bands) I do not mean to offend you. I'm simply conversing.

[Jedi Jesus]

Crust bands:

Skitsystem
Wolfbrigade/Wolfpack
Doom
Nausea
Iconoclast (there are a few different bands named this..)
Dystopia (sludge crust)
State of Fear
Dropdead
Misery

Aus Rotten
Behind Enemy Lines

Plus a bunch I dont want to add now.

[Gotkookie]

In my eyes it's all awesome. I have to disagree with you on the Hardcore and Metalcore thing though. To me they are both a mixture of Punk and Metal. When you listen to "Metalcore" do you not notice the punk influence? Wheter it's the guitars or the drums there is always some element of punk. Especially in Underoath (one of your "Metalcore" bands) I do not mean to offend you. I'm simply conversing.
first off if your talking about the new underoath, your a moron, because their new stuff is ****, they aren't even the same band anymore, they only have 1 original member...

[BuddyBigsby]

I have two Carcass albums, Heartwork and one that is unknown to me, but those two aren't grind records. Maybe their others are, then..

They are, their earlier stuff is grind. They underwent a sound change and went melodic death.

[axeslinga_32]

since everyone here is probably a hardcore or metalcore fan, may i suggest you check out 2 bands. I killed the prom queen and parkway drive. I saw them last nite and iktpq put one of the best live shows i've ever seen. I beleve they are touring the states soon with evergreen terrace, be sure to check them out.

[mr_magik]

the offspring aint punk is it?

cause if it is wax ma hair and call me a ***** cause i rekon they kool

[mr_magik]

p-u-s-s-y isnt a naughty word is it? wats this world coming to

[NewKindofArmy03]

have any of you heard of all out war? i picked up "condemned to suffer" today and its totally different from one of the song i heard before, but they're a really good metalcore band.

[Luxor]

have any of you heard of all out war? i picked up "condemned to suffer" today and its totally different from one of the song i heard before, but they're a really good metalcore band.

My avatar used to be their CD cover, they're pretty good.

[HXCGuitar]

first off if your talking about the new underoath, your a moron, because their new stuff is ****, they aren't even the same band anymore, they only have 1 original member...

I haven't heard the new Underoath album. I didn't even know that they split up. But thats beside the point of you insulting my intelligence just because I might like something you don't. Maybe your just mad at the moment or something. Atreyu is another one of the listed "Metalcore" bands that sound extremely influenced by punk. And no, I haven't heard their new album.

[asilaydying14]

would thursday be emo

[BuddyBigsby]

I haven't heard the new Underoath album. I didn't even know that they split up. But thats beside the point of you insulting my intelligence just because I might like something you don't. Maybe your just mad at the moment or something. Atreyu is another one of the listed "Metalcore" bands that sound extremely influenced by punk. And no, I haven't heard their new album.

Atreyu = Metalcore

Metalcore = Influenced by Hardcore

Hardcore = Heavier, faster punk

[HXCGuitar]

Ok. I give up. Branch up everyting into little tributaries. But the main force behind all this music is Hardcore punk.

[Gotkookie]

atreyu isn't metalcore, its just metal, and ****ty metal at that

[IHeartMe]

dooooods, norma jean and like the bled are so hardcore.... they are br00tal. almsot grindcore. those guys are so awesome chugga chugga wee weedle.



no, i'm ****ing kidding. those bads are awful. desperate measures, sick of it all, cromags, judge, youth of today, mental. those are all good hardcore bands. its sad that no one really emphasized on sick of it all. whats up with that?

[IHeartMe]

hey dudes

**** and Ball Torture, Pig Destroyer, and Agoraphobic Nosebleed were the only grindcore bands that have been mentioned. The other "grindcore" bands aren't grindcore at all. Carcass is commercialized (not as much as cradle of filth) black/death metal (still good), Death is crust, Dillinger Escape Plan is crap :)


GRINDCORE bands :

Phobia
Cripple Bastards
**** I'm Dead
Excrementory Grind****ers (Funny as hell)
Anal Cunt
Extreme Noise Terror

Crust bands:

Skitsystem
Wolfbrigade/Wolfpack
Doom
Nausea
Iconoclast (there are a few different bands named this..)
Dystopia (sludge crust)
State of Fear
Dropdead
Misery

Asschapel (black metally crust)
Fall of the Bastards (black metally grindy crust.)


holy ****e! this guy knows his ****e. you should have stuck tragedy and Fear, and maybe man is the bastard and his hero is gone or something like that in there. and anal blast.

and dystopia is freakin awesome. one of my favroite bands ever. and doom.... "big brothers watching you everything you say and doooooo. police! police bastards!"

[shane italian]

dooooods, norma jean and like the bled are so hardcore.... they are br00tal. almsot grindcore. those guys are so awesome chugga chugga wee weedle.



no, i'm ****ing kidding. those bads are awful. desperate measures, sick of it all, cromags, judge, youth of today, mental. those are all good hardcore bands. its sad that no one really emphasized on sick of it all. whats up with that?Because Sick Of It All are mediocre.

[BuddyBigsby]

Because Sick Of It All are mediocre.

.....

[NewKindofArmy03]

dates for the "you fail me" tour with converge, cave in, and between the buried and me were announced. i can't wait.

[BuddyBigsby]

dates for the "you fail me" tour with converge, cave in, and between the buried and me were announced. i can't wait.

*has 3 local dates in a row, is going to go to at least 2 of them*

[Gotkookie]

*they dont come to hawaii* :(

[DFelon204409]

*has 3 local dates in a row, is going to go to at least 2 of them*

*going to college 2 hours away from the closest show*

[aDayinBlackandWhite]

ok whoever said on page 5 that "the 2nd wave of emo" is bands like SDRE, Dashboard, and so on couldnt be more wrong. all thoes bands you mentioned are indie rock/pop punk. they arent emo

im just going to list alot of really good emo bands if you people want to either check them out or know what it is.
early emo: Moss Icon...thats all you need to know
modern emo bands (that are still together): Circle Takes the Square, Welcome the Plague Year, Envy (from Japan), Amanda Woodward (from France), A Day in Black and White, Yaphett Kotto, An Albatross, Kaospilot, Die Emperor! Die, I Would Set Myself on Fire for You, The Kodan Armada, Off Minor and yes i consider Hot Cross to be emo with other influences, and others

in between early and modern emo (most these bands are broken up): I Hate Myself, Maximillan Colby, You and I, Saetia, City of Caterpillar (mixed emo and post rock and did it brillantly), Montcalm, A Petal Fallen, Encyclopedia of American Traitors (heavy grind influence), Jousha Fit for Battle, Jeromes Dream, Usuyrp Synapse (heavy grind influence), I Have Dreams, Heroin, Combatwoundedveteran (heavy grind influence), I Robot, Indian Summer (made one of if not my favorite emo songs of all time called Angry Son), On the Might of Princes (just broke up this year), Neil Perry, Orchid, Pg. 99, Policy of 3, Portraits of the Past, September, Portrait, Twelve Hour Turn, The Khayembii Communique, and so many more

most emo bands arent around for long. your lucky if you get 5 years out of any of them even 3 years. but usually when emo bands break up they go off and form 2 or 3 other emo bands.

[BuddyBigsby]

aDayInBlackandWhite, I have a question. A lot of the bands you're referring to as emo like You and I, Saetia, Neil Perry, Portrait, Joshua Fit For Battle, Jerome's Dream, Pg.99 etc. etc. are considered screamo. Can you elaborate on that or clear that up at all?

[aDayinBlackandWhite]

well thats kind of a personal thing to me really. i mean i pretty much consider emo emo. i dont feel the need to use such labels as "hardcore emo" or "screamo" to me its basically the same thing.

[aDayinBlackandWhite]

actually the term screamo was used to describe a newer type of sound brought on by bands like Saetia, Heroin, etc...bands that came on after the Indian Summer, September kind of sound

[BuddyBigsby]

I see. That makes sense, actually. Thanks.

[aDayinBlackandWhite]

no problem. any other questions?

[BuddyBigsby]

Nope, that's it.

[aDayinBlackandWhite]

ok...do you listen to any of thoes bands?

[BuddyBigsby]

Yes, quite a few of them. I'll check out the others once I get my Soulseek to work again.

[aDayinBlackandWhite]

yeah slsk is ****ed up for me too. it has been forever.

[Nick13's The Best!!!]

any links to grindcore bands? what would Some Girls, and Circle Takes Square be considered? cause i think they're awesome! sorry if the tiger army thing pisses you guys off but i like all kinds of music punk, rockabilly, psychobilly, hardcore, metalcore, metal, but my fav is psychobilly!

[Gotkookie]

ill have some in a sec

[Nick13's The Best!!!]

oh goody!

[Gotkookie]

circle takes the square is screamo (the real kind), not sure about the other one
LINKS TO GRINDCORE:
The red chord : http://www.hxcmp3.com/bands/3832/ : they are grind enough for me
Terminally your aborted ghost : http://www.hxcmp3.com/bands/377/ : they are good
Pig destroyer : http://www.hxcmp3.com/bands/3427/

[Nick13's The Best!!!]

thanks!!!

[DFelon204409]

The Red Chord also has some death going for it.

[Gotkookie]

yeah they have a lot of grind elements and influences though, so they count in my book

it also is more musically developed then most grindcore bands

[aDayinBlackandWhite]

Circle Takes the Square is emo.

[Dehydratingmanitee]

Circle takes the square is f**king good

[aDayinBlackandWhite]

yes they are.

[Nick13's The Best!!!]

yeah i like them, anybody heard about some girls? they're good too.

[BuddyBigsby]

I like Some Girls.

[Gotkookie]

Circle Takes the Square is emo.
my bad...

EDIT

[BuddyBigsby]

Gotkookie, the whole point of screamo is that it's packed with emotion. Read what aDayinBlackandWhite said on the last page, too.

[Gotkookie]

yeah, but it doesn't sound like emo, emo is written with pure emotion, ctts does not sound like emotion, dude that guys scream does not sound like it has emotion at all, but it is still a most excellent scream :thumb:

[BuddyBigsby]

That guy's screaming his heart out. Really listen to a song like "Non-Objective Portrait of Karma" and you can almost feel what he's feeling.

[Luxor]

That guy's screaming his heart out. Really listen to a song like "Non-Objective Portrait of Karma" and you can almost feel what he's feeling.

*Doesn't have that song*

/me downloads.

[KillHumanRace]

thanx for clearin that up cuzzz im so ****in sick of ***** bands like avendged sevenfold b called hardcore when there a mix of pop punk and metal, it gives a bad name to my bands like black flag, the dead kennedys, and bad religions old stuff (there poppy now)

[aDayinBlackandWhite]

haha what? if that scream doesnt sound like emtion then i have no idea what the hell emotion is.

[Gotkookie]

thanx for clearin that up cuzzz im so ****in sick of ***** bands like avendged sevenfold b called hardcore when there a mix of pop punk and metal, it gives a bad name to my bands like black flag, the dead kennedys, and bad religions old stuff (there poppy now)
bad religion never was hardcore

[syrUsbilt]

bad religion is misguided, bad punk. nothing more.

[Gotkookie]

well ill give em some credit they have been playing for a very long time, oh yeah, and that song is very emotional, although the first 3 minutes is boring

[aDayinBlackandWhite]

the first 3 minutes kicks ****ing ***.

[Gotkookie]

your joking, theres nothing there, like some little keyboarding with like 3 chords....

[aDayinBlackandWhite]

its beautiful. you must not like much post rock.

[BuddyBigsby]

Yeah, I agree. It seems a little boring at first, but then you learn to appreciate it, and it serves as a really welcome warm-up to the song.

[Gotkookie]

well yeah it does fit the song,and i do like it, but 3 minutes, CMON, at least the old underoath stuff like that had a buildup, a very tight buildup

[DFelon204409]

That guy's screaming his heart out. Really listen to a song like "Non-Objective Portrait of Karma" and you can almost feel what he's feeling.

Uhh. "In the Nervous Light of Sunday" anybody? When Drew screams so hard his voice cracks. "All I ever asked/Was for a clean break." That part is so freakin' emotional I think I'm going to need new shorts. Listen to that one.

[DFelon204409]

well yeah it does fit the song,and i do like it, but 3 minutes, CMON, at least the old underoath stuff like that had a buildup, a very tight buildup

Speaking of Underoath, I walk into Tower Records and see them at a listening station with The Changing of Times in the spot where They're Only Chasing Safety should be so I assume some disgruntled fan who thinks they sold out put all of the new CDs away and replaced them with the old ones and such. Then I started listening (I hadn't heard it at all yet) and it sounded like Taking Back Sunday sans the ovaries. I am very confused at this point because it sounds nothing like Underoath, which checks out though because people have said that. Then, after track 4, the CD ends. Either the CD is screwed or it wasn't them. Anybody wanna explain this at all? Or the sound of the new CD? Also, has anyone read AP's review of the CD. It's flattering. It likens the new CD to old school Grade, which I guess means I'd like it, but everyone says it sucks hard. Help me!

[BuddyBigsby]

Uhh. "In the Nervous Light of Sunday" anybody? When Drew screams so hard his voice cracks. "All I ever asked/Was for a clean break." That part is so freakin' emotional I think I'm going to need new shorts. Listen to that one.

Oh yeah! That part always gives me the chills.

[BuddyBigsby]

Speaking of Underoath, I walk into Tower Records and see them at a listening station with The Changing of Times in the spot where They're Only Chasing Safety should be so I assume some disgruntled fan who thinks they sold out put all of the new CDs away and replaced them with the old ones and such. Then I started listening (I hadn't heard it at all yet) and it sounded like Taking Back Sunday sans the ovaries. I am very confused at this point because it sounds nothing like Underoath, which checks out though because people have said that. Then, after track 4, the CD ends. Either the CD is screwed or it wasn't them. Anybody wanna explain this at all? Or the sound of the new CD? Also, has anyone read AP's review of the CD. It's flattering. It likens the new CD to old school Grade, which I guess means I'd like it, but everyone says it sucks hard. Help me!

Yeah, that's definitely the new album. It's in that same genre as Grade, but I wouldn't have made the same comparison. Grade were great. The new underoath is not.

[Gotkookie]

sans the ovaries?

the 3rd ones ok, the first two are so amazing though, they are hard to find though, if you like thrice you'll probably like the new one

[DFelon204409]

sans the ovaries?

the 3rd ones ok, the first two are so amazing though, they are hard to find though, if you like thrice you'll probably like the new one

Well I was feeling the ones I heard in the store. san the ovaries = without the the ovaries. It's like if Taking Back Sunday grew balls because there are points that are ripped straight from their playbook and sound really annoying but mostly it's pretty cool. I felt guilty liking it. The melodic vocals are annoying, unlike Thrice's. The screaming was A though. I liked that. I'll give it another listen and then if I realize the truth I will just steal the songs.

[Gotkookie]

which cd, they are only chasing safety?, thats the tbs sounding one, the one before its tight, actually all of thes ones before it are tight

[DFelon204409]

which cd, they are only chasing safety?, thats the tbs sounding one, the one before its tight, actually all of thes ones before it are tight

Well, I've heard most of the old stuff. I don't know how many CD they've put out of what songs my CDs come from but they were all downloaded in like December of last year so it definitely predates the new stuff. The stuff that's more metalcore is annoying and generic to me but I really like when they decided to rock out with the melody and the ambient effects. Can you sort of explain which CD I would prefer off of the description?

[Gotkookie]

well i would recommend the first 2 to anyone

[DFelon204409]

Let's relocate this to the thread dedicated to Underoath's new CD to eliminate all the random spam over here.

[BuddyBigsby]

Man, I gotta stop doing this crap but oh well...

*downloaded new Converge album*

[DFelon204409]

Man, I gotta stop doing this crap but oh well...

*downloaded new Converge album*

It probably sucks.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Man, I gotta stop doing this crap but oh well...

*downloaded new Converge album*
you can download it already? i'm not going to but is it good?

[40 oz 2 freedom]

It probably sucks.

Why do you say that?


And Buddy, can you send it to me?

[in jet eyes]

Alright, I'm an emokid, but I grew up on local hardcore and metalcore. There is an obvious difference between the two styles. Hardcore is usually always fast and never breaks, even for solos, becuase most of the guitarists are straightedge and don't feel the need for elaborate solos. Metalcore has more double-bass style drumming, a very good example of good double-bass drum metalcore would be "Been Gon a Long Time" by Every Time I Die. They also use more lightening fret-work (being a guitarist myself) I know a good deal of hardcore is fast, but metalcore takes the blazing speed of metal and puts it in with hardcore underlyings. It is sort of hard to discern at times, but when you've been to enough shows, you can really tell the difference.

[BuddyBigsby]

Yeah, what's your beef with Converge DFelon?

My download messed up, so I have the first 7 songs and about 96% of the 8th one. I really like it. It's a different sound for Converge but it's good stuff. They're a lot more gritty and a little bit more artsy, but at the same time the music's easier to get into. I wouldn't say it's better than Jane Doe, but it's still very good. Some people though really hate it, including this long time die-hard Converge fan I know, so I think a lot of people are going to be torn with this album.

Hardcore is usually always fast and never breaks, even for solos, becuase most of the guitarists are straightedge and don't feel the need for elaborate solos.

...What the hell does being straight-edge have to do with not soloing?

[Gotkookie]

hes just a ****ing mormon who likes fall out boy

[NewKindofArmy03]

Yeah, what's your beef with Converge DFelon?

My download messed up, so I have the first 7 songs and about 96% of the 8th one. I really like it. It's a different sound for Converge but it's good stuff. They're a lot more gritty and a little bit more artsy, but at the same time the music's easier to get into. I wouldn't say it's better than Jane Doe, but it's still very good. Some people though really hate it, including this long time die-hard Converge fan I know, so I think a lot of people are going to be torn with this album.



...What the hell does being straight-edge have to do with not soloing?

is the music still loud and does jacob bannon still scream nonstop?

[BuddyBigsby]

It's still loud for the most part but like... the title track, "You Fail Me" is one of the most gritty and downright dirty songs I've ever heard. It's an epic too, followed by this really dark acoustic passage with murmuring over it (Kinda like the intro to "Flowers and Deadwire", but it's not a ballad or anything, so don't worry). On the first real song, "Last Light" he doesn't scream at all. He does this talk/yell thing reminscent of indie sorta kinda in the vein of mewithoutYou. That song really took me by surprise but I like it. The rest of the songs though are pretty loud, but I think it's more brooding and artistic than it is loud and in-your-face. It's not "brutal" like songs like "Fault and Fracture", "Concubine", "The Broken Vow", "Color Me Blood Red" and stuff like that. Then again, I only listened to it once, so I might change some of my opinions, but everything said here is my initial reaction.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Sounds good to me.

[cbmartinez]

Jane Doe really was an excellent album.

[Gotkookie]

yeah, i liked it

[NewKindofArmy03]

i only have jane doe and i didnt get it until saturday. now i want to get petitioning the empty sky(i think thats what its called). and i found a really cool cover they did of black flag's annihilate this week, it's awesome.

[in jet eyes]

Good one GotKookie, I'm amazed.

"hes just a ****ing mormon who likes fall out boy"

A great one, that will keep me laughing for a while.
You are a ****ing genious and I want your body.


****ing idiot. You don't know you're ****ing face from your own ***.

[BuddyBigsby]

What exactly, is a ****?

[Gotkookie]

so your saying i dont know if im talking through my ***? thats called farting :)