Hardcore Community Thread

[Gotkookie]

the number twelve rules. saw them twice, great stuff.

dillinger escape plan classify themselves as grindcore.
Can you explain how they are grind? I dont understand what makes them grind.

[nothing6]

i don't think of them as grind either, but they classify themselves at that

[Gotkookie]

i don't think of them as grind either, but they classify themselves at that
wierd, I would think they would be their own genre, or like tech metalcore or something.

[shane italian]

Not grind. Great job writing this but you contradicted yourself. You said that grindcore didnt follow conventional structure, yet dillinger escape plan is one of the most technical bands ive ever heard. Never heard mathcore being known as grind... D E P doesnt have any blast beats, they dont have 30 second songs, its not all distorted. There is no growls or high pitched shrieks, and D E P does have intelligble lyrics, therefore there is no reason for D E P to be called grind. :)Take it up with Sk8SkaNJ my brotha!

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Compare DEP to every genre, grindcore is the genre they are closest to. I'm mean I've heard the term mathcore thrown around with them but it doesn't seem to be sticking. So instead of creating a whole new genre just for them I would say they are.

[Gotkookie]

Compare DEP to every genre, grindcore is the genre they are closest to. I'm mean I've heard the term mathcore thrown around with them but it doesn't seem to be sticking. So instead of creating a whole new genre just for them I would say they are.
I guess, but thats not a good reason. Their needs to be a genre for chaotic stuff thats not emotional. Like screamo without the emo.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Hahah, the reason why I would use mathcore because math can get technical, much like their guitar work and core.....well I don't see why not.

[Gotkookie]

Hahah, the reason why I would use mathcore because math can get technical, much like their guitar work and core.....well I don't see why not.
ok from this moment forward MATHCORE is a new genre :cool:

[shane italian]

Mathmetal*

I dislike all the cores and DEP don't even incorporate hardcore in their music...

[Gotkookie]

Mathmetal*

I dislike all the cores and DEP don't even incorporate hardcore in their music...
tru dat, mathmetal it is then

[cbmartinez]

I guess, but thats not a good reason. Their needs to be a genre for chaotic stuff thats not emotional. Like screamo without the emo.

Screamo without the emo is grind. Screamo= Grind with underlying sense of art and beauty/Grind with breakdowns.

[Gotkookie]

Screamo without the emo is grind. Screamo= Grind with underlying sense of art and beauty/Grind with breakdowns.
yeah but dillinger isnt really the screamo or grind sound

[cbmartinez]

Dillinger definitely has some grind in there. Math Metal/Grindcore just about sums it up I think. Maybe some metal thrown in there.

[BuddyBigsby]

Ok, this is something that's been annoying me. DEP aren't grind. Grind is pure chaos. Daughters is grind. DEP are way too technical and have too much thought in their music. They're technical metal, or tech for short.

[cbmartinez]

They definitely have a grind influence though.

[BuddyBigsby]

Yes.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Ok, this is something that's been annoying me. DEP aren't grind. Grind is pure chaos. Daughters is grind. DEP are way too technical and have too much thought in their music. They're technical metal, or tech for short.
i always here people on other boards saying that the locust and daughters are not grind. i don't know much about grind, so i don't know. and yeah, DEP are definately not a grind band.

[cbmartinez]

Daughters and The Locust are grind.

[EEbass04]

I'm a newbie to the board. But definetely not a newbie to these genres of music.

Dillinger Escape Plan is mathmetal

The very first post of this thread addresses some bands that I feel were not classified properly. The first of those is Norma Jean. Their is no technicality to their riffs, so why you even classify them as metal. You yourself said metal had much more technical riffs. Norma Jean is hardcore. They use open and minor 7ths constantly. Another band that I feel was mis-classified was everytime I die. They have spastic riffs that a much more fitting in hardcore not metalcore. There is no real metal to them at all. Same goes for Scarlet. I've seen all three of those bands live. Same goes for Nora.

As for metalcore, they are easy to spot. Unearth, As I Lay Dying, Hatebreed(the supposed "creators") Underoath was not metalcore. The best description I've heard for them and that I use for myself is pop metal. After listening to their new cd they definetely fell into the post hardcore category. Where Atreyu would also feel much more at home.

Thirty-Called Arson would almost go along with Dillinger in the math metal category if they weren't lacking so much in talent when compared to dillinger. They are easily described as spazcore.

I haven't seen anything about the band Zao. It's probably crammed somewhere in the middle. But how can you talk about metal and hardcore and not even mention Zao. They're metalcore. Also, no one said anything about Poison the Well. I'm amazed that neither one of them were mentioned. Poison the Well came about when hardcore just started to get big(1997).

That's all I've got for now. Sorry to be a critic.

[NewKindofArmy03]

norma jean and etid are definately metalcore. hatebreed are nowhere near the creators of metalcore. and if you're saying norma jean aren't metalcore because they don't have technical riffs, why would you say hatebreed are metalcore?

[syrUsbilt]

. Norma Jean is hardcore. They use open and minor 7ths constantly. Another band that I feel was mis-classified was everytime I die. They have spastic riffs that a much more fitting in hardcore not metalcore. There is no real metal to them at all. Same goes for Scarlet. I've seen all three of those bands live. Same goes for Nora.

Wow congratulations, I've probably seen scarlet live 4 or 5 times. That doesn't mean I know about what kind of music they are.

And learn what hardcore is before you go around making idiot statements. Hardcore is a genre of punk, which NONE of those bands are even close to. Learn what hardcore is, asshole.

[BuddyBigsby]

I'm a newbie to the board. But definetely not a newbie to these genres of music.

Dillinger Escape Plan is mathmetal

The very first post of this thread addresses some bands that I feel were not classified properly. The first of those is Norma Jean. Their is no technicality to their riffs, so why you even classify them as metal. You yourself said metal had much more technical riffs. Norma Jean is hardcore. They use open and minor 7ths constantly. Another band that I feel was mis-classified was everytime I die. They have spastic riffs that a much more fitting in hardcore not metalcore. There is no real metal to them at all. Same goes for Scarlet. I've seen all three of those bands live. Same goes for Nora.

As for metalcore, they are easy to spot. Unearth, As I Lay Dying, Hatebreed(the supposed "creators") Underoath was not metalcore. The best description I've heard for them and that I use for myself is pop metal. After listening to their new cd they definetely fell into the post hardcore category. Where Atreyu would also feel much more at home.

Thirty-Called Arson would almost go along with Dillinger in the math metal category if they weren't lacking so much in talent when compared to dillinger. They are easily described as spazcore.

I haven't seen anything about the band Zao. It's probably crammed somewhere in the middle. But how can you talk about metal and hardcore and not even mention Zao. They're metalcore. Also, no one said anything about Poison the Well. I'm amazed that neither one of them were mentioned. Poison the Well came about when hardcore just started to get big(1997).

That's all I've got for now. Sorry to be a critic.

You have no idea what you're talking about. However, you seem like an intelligent enough person, so just work at it.

I'm not even going to get into the idiotic genre labeling you attempted, but I do however want to address the Norma Jean not having any technicality:

Listen to "The Entire World Is Counting On Me and They Don't Even Know It", and choke on your silly words.

[axeslinga_32]

Hahaha, it's cool.

Converge:
"Last Light" (song with clean, yelly vocals)
"You Fail Me" (best song on the album. slow, gritty and dirty, and just sinister)
"In Her Shadow" (the acoustic one with the 'creepy chanting' we were talking about')

Zao:
"Breath of the Black Muse" (Good song ruined by clean vocals)
"The Last Song from Zion" (POD song)
"The Last Revelation (The Last Prophecy)" (GOOD SONG)

i like the converge songs, but they dont seem that far off from the stuff on jane doe. Breath of a black muse friggen rules, the guitarist's singing voice isnt that bad at all, you said it was heaps monotone, although the parts with the singing do sound heaps forced.

[DrGolovaCroxby]

norma jean and etid are definately metalcore. hatebreed are nowhere near the creators of metalcore. and if you're saying norma jean aren't metalcore because they don't have technical riffs, why would you say hatebreed are metalcore?

i heart norma jean.

[axeslinga_32]

i just realized that jake bannon's scream is a higher pitched, less defined version of dan weyandt's... so you see where im coming from?

oh and to bigsby.. im listening to the last song of zion, i see what you mean with the poppiness and the POD stuff.. if it wasnt for dan this could be on mtv..

[BuddyBigsby]

i just realized that jake bannon's scream is a higher pitched, less defined version of dan weyandt's... so you see where im coming from?

oh and to bigsby.. im listening to the last song of zion, i see what you mean with the poppiness and the POD stuff.. if it wasnt for dan this could be on mtv..

Yeah, exactly. It doesn't really work for Zao.

[hookerwithpenis]

Dillinger = Mathcore. It's a genre. And it's been a genre for quite a while now.

[BuddyBigsby]

A false genre with a stupid name.

[cbmartinez]

I posted in this thread 142 times. Wow.

I also just read all 82 pages of this thread. Jesus, I have no life.

[axeslinga_32]

Yeah, exactly. It doesn't really work for Zao.

it's actually an okay song, the breakdown owns. It's just weird for them..

[xdeadtomorrowx]

Alright you fools...Let me help you all. Oh by the way, Converge sold out...They've got to after the crap they call YOU FAIL ME. That isn't Converge, that's sludgy crappy wannabe Converge. I need some of Jane Doe or Petitioning The Empty Sky songs man.


Tech Metal is a genre. Not Mathcore, not tech. It's Tech Metal. Bands as follows are in this genre: ed gein, glass casket, from a second story window, an albatross, the red chord, into the moat, flesh and blood robot, premonitions of war, between the buried and me, psyopus, the number twelve looks like you, machinist, daughters, the end, and tyranny of shaw.

Now, do not question me! For Tech Metal is my favorite genre and I know everything about it. Tech Metal incompasses everything...death/grind/metalcore along with scales, sweeps, arpeggios, and even jazz.

Now as for grind, you are all sadly mistaken. Grind equals Nasum, Pig Destroyer, ORIGIN, Carcass, Napalm Death, and Anagoraphobic Nosebleed. Plus lots of the bands on Relapse Records roster.

Any more questions kiddies?

[xdeadtomorrowx]

Daughters and The Locust are grind.

No, they are not. Listen to Nasum and Origin. Then tell me if they are still grind.

[xdeadtomorrowx]

norma jean and etid are definately metalcore. hatebreed are nowhere near the creators of metalcore. and if you're saying norma jean aren't metalcore because they don't have technical riffs, why would you say hatebreed are metalcore?

Idiot, metalcore doesn't have technical riffs unless you call this a technical riff...chug chugchug chug chugchugchugchug chugchug chug chugchugchug chugchugchugchugchug

Which isn't technical at all. Norma Jean is metalcore, crappy metalcore at that. Hatebreed is like poser-tough guy hardcore. Their breakdowns suck, I don't know why magazines and people think they are so awesome, they really aren't.

[NewKindofArmy03]

you are a moron. if you read what i said, i was actually quoting that guy and i never said metalcore has technical riffs, he did.

[xdeadtomorrowx]

you are a moron. if you read what i said, i was actually quoting that guy and i never said metalcore has technical riffs, he did.

Nevermind, yeah, I goofed... :( I can't read.

[cbmartinez]

No, they are not. Listen to Nasum and Origin. Then tell me if they are still grind.

I don't know whether those bands you posted are "more grind" than then Daughters and The Locust, but even if they are, that doesn't make Daughters and The Locust not grind.

[shane italian]

Alright you fools...Let me help you all. Oh by the way, Converge sold out...They've got to after the crap they call YOU FAIL ME. That isn't Converge, that's sludgy crappy wannabe Converge. I need some of Jane Doe or Petitioning The Empty Sky songs man.


Tech Metal is a genre. Not Mathcore, not tech. It's Tech Metal. Bands as follows are in this genre: ed gein, glass casket, from a second story window, an albatross, the red chord, into the moat, flesh and blood robot, premonitions of war, between the buried and me, psyopus, the number twelve looks like you, machinist, daughters, the end, and tyranny of shaw.

Now, do not question me! For Tech Metal is my favorite genre and I know everything about it. Tech Metal incompasses everything...death/grind/metalcore along with scales, sweeps, arpeggios, and even jazz.

Now as for grind, you are all sadly mistaken. Grind equals Nasum, Pig Destroyer, ORIGIN, Carcass, Napalm Death, and Anagoraphobic Nosebleed. Plus lots of the bands on Relapse Records roster.

Any more questions kiddies?
Good job.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

You Fail Me is still an awesome CD.

[BuddyBigsby]

No, they are not. Listen to Nasum and Origin. Then tell me if they are still grind.

Oh great. Dead is back again to bless us all with his faggotry.

[EEbass04]

I played a show with Origin...they were horrible just for the record. They're music requires a very acquired taste.

Let me make some easy classifications that make metalcore and hardcore easy to divide.

Metalcore- uses harmony like minor 3rds, and occasionally uses minor 7ths
hardcore-uses minor 7ths

I don't even see how you can think of Every Time I Die and Norma Jean as metalcore. Listen to As I Lay Dying and Unearth. Then put in Norma Jean. I own cd's from all 4 bands. I know who Norma Jean is, I know who Lutikriss is. It's not like I'm trying to classify some band I barely know. I bet you could ask them and they would tell you they're hardcore.

.here comes some more flaming.

[BuddyBigsby]

I'm not going to flame, I'm just going to state a simple fact here.

Hardcore is an offshoot of punk.

Norma Jean don't sound punk to me.

[shane italian]

I played a show with Origin...they were horrible just for the record. They're music requires a very acquired taste.

Let me make some easy classifications that make metalcore and hardcore easy to divide.

Metalcore- uses harmony like minor 3rds, and occasionally uses minor 7ths
hardcore-uses minor 7ths

I don't even see how you can think of Every Time I Die and Norma Jean as metalcore. Listen to As I Lay Dying and Unearth. Then put in Norma Jean. I own cd's from all 4 bands. I know who Norma Jean is, I know who Lutikriss is. It's not like I'm trying to classify some band I barely know. I bet you could ask them and they would tell you they're hardcore.

.here comes some more flaming.I bet you could ask Mark Hoppus what style of music he plays and he would tell you punk.

[xdeadtomorrowx]

Oh great. Dead is back again to bless us all with his faggotry.

admit it though, my post was correct.

And EEbass04...AILD and Unearth are metalcore, but more on the side of metal than the core. ETID is more of just retarded "noise" and Norma Jean tries to be chaotic but fails, they are metalcore


Metalcore consists of drop D tuning, power chords, riffs, palm muting, and breakdowns. All of which Unearth and AILD use.

[NewKindofArmy03]

i love Unearth's leads, they're so catchy.

[BuddyBigsby]

admit it though, my post was correct.

And EEbass04...AILD and Unearth are metalcore, but more on the side of metal than the core. ETID is more of just retarded "noise" and Norma Jean tries to be chaotic but fails, they are metalcore


Metalcore consists of drop D tuning, power chords, riffs, palm muting, and breakdowns. All of which Unearth and AILD use.

Yeah, your post was mostly correct for once. You're still a ****ing jackass though.

[shane italian]

i love Unearth's leads, they're so catchy.Internal War owns.

[EEbass04]

I never said Unearth and As I Lay Dying weren't metalcore. I was using them as a comparison because they are metalcore. And don't try and pull that "they're only kinda core" stuff. As I Lay Dying uses minor 7ths quite a bit.

[shane italian]

I never said Unearth and As I Lay Dying weren't metalcore. I was using them as a comparison because they are metalcore. And don't try and pull that "they're only kinda core" stuff. As I Lay Dying uses minor 7ths quite a bit.I don't care whether a band uses 7th minors or 5th minors. Listen to Youth Of Today or Blood For Blood...do you hear any of that in As I Lay Dying or Unearth? No you don't.

Oh, a good Metalcore band I forgot about is American Tragedy. Mmmm.

[BuddyBigsby]

Rip

[nothing6]

there is no way you can think of norma jean as hardcore. Who cares what chords they used and what notes they play. I'm sure country guitar players use that same chord every now and then. Are they hardcore? I think not.

[syrUsbilt]

there is no way you can think of norma jean as hardcore. Who cares what chords they used and what notes they play. I'm sure country guitar players use that same chord every now and then. Are they hardcore? I think not.

here here. A better way to put it is "Death to overanalysis"

[shane italian]

here here. A better way to put it is "Death to overanalysis"Geeze Paul, stop being all wordy...you make me look dumb.

[syrUsbilt]

Geeze Paul, stop being all wordy...you make me look dumb.

I'm a word nerd.

[boarderbrendin]

do any of you know strike anywhere howcome there not in on this?

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Cause they're not really in the genres defined in this thread.

[NewKindofArmy03]

check out this band i just found. http://www.pahardcore.com/bands/bands.cfm?id=8753

[shane italian]

People call Strike Anywhere "melidicore" which I hate seeing because they incorporate little if any hardcore into their music, which gives no meaning to the "core".

I would say they are melodic punk or something along those lines.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

I would just call them the next step in the evolution of punk.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

check out this band i just found. http://www.pahardcore.com/bands/bands.cfm?id=8753
I don't like the vocals all that much. Maybe it's just me, but it seems weird.

[listerine ice cream]

I would just call them the next step in the evolution of punk.

maybe, that would be neat.

[AndHagan2]

I hope punk doesnt go to the "next step".

[Orpheus Emerged]

Does anyone know if Devotchka is an actual word? I just finished A Clockwork Orange and it was nadsat (slang) talk for "girl," I think. Did they get it from there or what?

It's Russian for girl.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Bump.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

For some strange reason I want Earth Crisis to do a reunion show.

[shane italian]

Reiner, no.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Yes, I don't know why. I like a couple of their songs, even though I hate vegan.

[shane italian]

I heard some stuff from Breed The Killers and wasn't impressed. I mean it doesn't suck balls or anything, but they aren't what they are made out to be.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

They did some pretty cool covers.

Listen to "Smash or be Smashed" thats my favorite and like the only song by them I like thats not a cover.

[BuddyBigsby]

Harvest - "Epicure" is seriously one of the badassiest metalcore songs ever.

[cbmartinez]

Hot Cross/LickGoldenSky tonight guys. I'll give you a quick review tonight or tomorrow. I don't think I'll be able to make it to the Society's Finest/Gods/The Breakout show tomorrow though. :upset:

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

You Fail Me

[shane italian]

I got nothing but I still got friends
I'm ****ing broke but I still make ends
I love my family
And all the friends who stood by me

[cbmartinez]

Turns out I can't go to the show. I'm ****ing pissed as hell. But in the next couple months, some pretty cool bands are playing. All Else Failed, Love Is Red, Buried Inside.. so that will be cool.

[NewKindofArmy03]

im seeing unearth with terror in two weeks hopefully. if i can't go, i'm going to be pretty pissed too.

[shane italian]

Madball, NSK, and H20 is October 1!
OH SNAP!

[cbmartinez]

You've got some nice shows lined up son.

[BuddyBigsby]

I got nothing but I still got friends
I'm ****ing broke but I still make ends
I love my family
And all the friends who stood by me

My favorite Death Threat song.

[shane italian]

My favorite Death Threat song.Same hurr, that or "Bombs Will Fly".

[BuddyBigsby]

Turns out I can't go to the show. I'm ****ing pissed as hell. But in the next couple months, some pretty cool bands are playing. All Else Failed, Love Is Red, Buried Inside.. so that will be cool.

I'm seeing Hot Cross October 2 and Lickgoldensky a month later, I guess I'll take your place.

[cbmartinez]

I'm seeing Hot Cross October 2 and Lickgoldensky a month later, I guess I'll take your place.

I h8 u lol.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Throwdown
Lamb of God
Children of Bodom

That will be the most metal show I've ever been to.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

Throwdown
Lamb of God
Children of Bodom

That will be the most metal show I've ever been to.
Today I developed a Throwdown fetish.

[BuddyBigsby]

Throwdown
Lamb of God
Children of Bodom

That will be the most metal show I've ever been to.

Don't forget to bring your Hot Topic pants for Fear Factory!

BREAK! FROM THE EDGE!

CRUSHER!

BREAK FROM THE EDGE!

CRUSHER!

BREAK FROM THE EDGE CRU SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER!

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Hey Buddy, on Google I typed in "converge you fail me guitar tabs" and the 3rd link had a post from you and all your info.

[cbmartinez]

Doesn't work for me.

[BuddyBigsby]

Hey Buddy, on Google I typed in "converge you fail me tabs" and the 3rd link had a post from you and all your info.

Haha, awesome. My friend IMd me yesterday night telling me every time he searches "screamo" or a screamo band in google, a thread from here comes up with me bitching. I rule google.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Throwdown
Lamb of God
Children of Bodom

That will be the most metal show I've ever been to.
same here.

[BuddyBigsby]

Bad things truly come in threes. It's hard to keep it posi when this **** happens.

1st : Shane leaves BTBAM. That wasn't too bad because he's only been in a few months and didn't write anything. It does suck though because he was great live and a really nice guy.

2nd: Big one. Derek leaves Poison the Well. Founding member and major part of songwriting. You Come Before You was amazing and I was really anxious to hear what they would do next. Sadly, I think now that possibility has been jeopardized. It makes sense though, just from seeing them live in February to reading the things they've been saying, it seems they're really tired of doing PTW from the non-stop touring they've been doing for a few years now. I think this would be a good time for them to call it a day.

3rd: The drummer and most importantly, the singer of Burnt By the Sun leave the band. Terrible news. I'm just really glad I had the opportunity to see them a few weeks ago before this happened.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Bad things truly come in threes. It's hard to keep it posi when this **** happens.

1st : Shane leaves BTBAM. That wasn't too bad because he's only been in a few months and didn't write anything. It does suck though because he was great live and a really nice guy.

2nd: Big one. Derek leaves Poison the Well. Founding member and major part of songwriting. You Come Before You was amazing and I was really anxious to hear what they would do next. Sadly, I think now that possibility has been jeopardized. It makes sense though, just from seeing them live in February to reading the things they've been saying, it seems they're really tired of doing PTW from the non-stop touring they've been doing for a few years now. I think this would be a good time for them to call it a day.

3rd: The drummer and most importantly, the singer of Burnt By the Sun leave the band. Terrible news. I'm just really glad I had the opportunity to see them a few weeks ago before this happened.

:eek:

[NewKindofArmy03]

what instrument did shane play?

[BuddyBigsby]

Guitar.

[NewKindofArmy03]

shark attack bitches.

[shane italian]

Shane was in Evelynn who I would have rather seen stay together than BTBAM when I lived in Dallas. AMAZING live.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

http://www.greysocietydistribution.com/
I just found this place again after forgetting what it was called. Seems like a really good distro. Very cheap shipping.

[nothing6]

lickgoldensky broke up buddies.

i saw hot cross tonight. rocked my ***.

[shane italian]

In My Eyes have risen to the top of my list and surpassed my expectations. KUDOS to In My Eyes!

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

In My Eyes have risen to the top of my list and surpassed my expectations. KUDOS to In My Eyes!
HEIL IN MY EYES!

[BuddyBigsby]

lickgoldensky broke up buddies.


Then this must've happened very recently, as no websites have posted the news, and they are right in the middle of a tour. I think you're thinking of a different band.

[Jedi Jesus]

hardcore kids, remember

Jedi Jesus for mod

[Gotkookie]

Bad things truly come in threes. It's hard to keep it posi when this **** happens.

1st : Shane leaves BTBAM. That wasn't too bad because he's only been in a few months and didn't write anything. It does suck though because he was great live and a really nice guy.

2nd: Big one. Derek leaves Poison the Well. Founding member and major part of songwriting. You Come Before You was amazing and I was really anxious to hear what they would do next. Sadly, I think now that possibility has been jeopardized. It makes sense though, just from seeing them live in February to reading the things they've been saying, it seems they're really tired of doing PTW from the non-stop touring they've been doing for a few years now. I think this would be a good time for them to call it a day.

3rd: The drummer and most importantly, the singer of Burnt By the Sun leave the band. Terrible news. I'm just really glad I had the opportunity to see them a few weeks ago before this happened.

This girl i met on soulseek said her friend was partly a cause of him leaving the band. I heard he left the band from all the drinking.

[BuddyBigsby]

Haha, who and which band?

[Gotkookie]

btbam

[BuddyBigsby]

Shane, you decide on Martyr AD yet? Come on, Haste the Day aren't that bad...

Their melodies are irresistable :upset:

And as long as we're talking about shows... *rolls out list*. There's no way I'm going to all, but hopefully most.

Thu – Sep 16 – Martyr AD / Haste the Day / Dead to Fall / Funeral Pyre – Chain - $8
Sat – Sep 18 – Six Feet Under/Misery Signals/Premonitions of War/Internal Bleeding – Showcase - $13
Tue – Sep 21 – Malady – Koos - $7
Thu – Oct 1 – Madball / H2O / NSK – Chain - $15
Fri – Oct 2 – Hot Cross / Bleeding Kansas – Chain - $8
Mon – Oct 4 – Walls of Jericho – Glasshouse - $8
Fri – Oct 8 – Stokely / Riverside Drive – 51B
Sun – Oct 10 – Converge/Cave In/BTBAM / Scars of Tomorrow - Glasshouse
Mon – Oct 11 – Converge/Cave In/BTBAM / Bleeding Kansas – Chain
Thu – Oct 14 – Unearth / Terror / Black Dahlia / Remembering Never – Glasshouse - $12
Fri – Oct 15 – Evergreen Terrace / Until the End / Casey Jones / Donnybrook / The Warriors – Showcase - $12
Tue – Oct 19 – DEP / ETID / Zao / Misery Signals – El Rey - $13.50
Sun – Oct 24 – Explosions in the Sky – 51 Buckingham - $10
Fri – Nov 5 – Ed Gein/ Breather Resist / Lickgoldensky / Plot – Koos - ?
Sat – Nov 6 – Neurosis – Troubadour
Sat – Nov 6 – 100 Demons / Cast Aside / Donnybrook / Laid to Rest – Showcase - $10
Sun – Nov 7 – Damageplan / The Haunted / Shadows Fall – HOB Anaheim
Sun – Nov 7 – Ed Gein / Breather Resist / Lickgoldensky / Plot – 51B
Wed- Nov 10 – Isis / These Arms are Snakes / Oxbow – Glasshouse - $10

[axeslinga_32]

zao rip offs!

[BuddyBigsby]

Their singer sounds almost exactly like Dan, but musically they don't sound too much like Zao. There's a lot more Swedish-styled riffage than Zao, they're not nearly as dark as Zao, in fact they're rather upbeat and they have big melodic clean singy parts and poppiness in general, unlike Zao.

[nothing6]

Then this must've happened very recently, as no websites have posted the news, and they are right in the middle of a tour. I think you're thinking of a different band.
Nope, lickgoldensky broke up. It should be somewhere on the net. They were supposed to play the show last night, but didn't. And then the guitarist from another band confirmed it. The guitarist said that he had built this wall around himself in the band and that he didn't feel a part of it anymore, and then he didn't like being in that position, so he walked off stage after whichever song, and that's that.

[cbmartinez]

I cried when I read your post about Derek leaving Buddy. But as sad as I am, I think you could possibly be right when you say they should call it quits. I'd hate to see them ruin You Come Before You with a crap album.

:upset: x 192832973293794

[cbmartinez]

Poison the Well is going on tour with DEP. That should be cool. But I'm still crying over Derek leaving.

[shane italian]

I never knew Keith went into 18V....WHAT WUSS!

[BuddyBigsby]

Nope, lickgoldensky broke up. It should be somewhere on the net. They were supposed to play the show last night, but didn't. And then the guitarist from another band confirmed it. The guitarist said that he had built this wall around himself in the band and that he didn't feel a part of it anymore, and then he didn't like being in that position, so he walked off stage after whichever song, and that's that.

Ah, that sucks. I hope Ed Gein, Plot, and Breather Resist don't drop off the tour here, because I still want to see them. Are you sure they broke up and the guitarist didn't just leave? Where'd you hear this, also?

[AndHagan2]

Fri – Oct 15 – Evergreen Terrace / Until the End / Casey Jones / Donnybrook /


God d'amn you.

[shane italian]

That show is the 16th for me.

[BuddyBigsby]

o.O

Are you going to an L.A. show or something?

[shane italian]

CORRECTION! That show is the 15th for me as well.

[shane italian]

Oh yeah, Buddy, did you hear about the Terror video shoot/free show in LA?

[BuddyBigsby]

I heard about the video shoot.

...I did not read the part about the free show. This is good news.

[shane italian]

I heard about the video shoot.

...I did not read the part about the free show. This is good news.Yeah, I might ask my cousin if she would want to go hang out in LA and drop me off while she does whatever it is she wants.

[BuddyBigsby]

Where is it at exactly?

[BuddyBigsby]

Actually wait, it's this Saturday right?

I'm working all day and then going to Misery Signals / PoW at night. Rrg.

[shane italian]

Where is it at exactly?Dunno, I need to ask my friend who told me.

[xdeadtomorrowx]

Well, but Minor Threat are old school hardcore (or OG hardcore, as I like to call it), and Hatebreed are metalcore. There really is a difference.

Nice post, I believe you get the award for biggest idiot who doesn't know a thing about metalcore if you call Hatebreed metalcore. THANK YOU YOUR IGNORANCE IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.

[xdeadtomorrowx]

Poison the Well is going on tour with DEP. That should be cool. But I'm still crying over Derek leaving.

Wow and you've got no musical taste at all. How about crying how DMITRI, DEP's old singer left and now they've got this new guy who can't touch DMITRI...Most likely I butchered his name but w/e you get the jist of it.

Now if anyone has questions about hardcore/metalcore/grind/emocore/screamo your questions should be directed to me. And some of you might think "who does this guy think he is" I know my crap about these genres and if you let me explain it I can show you so easily but I hate ignorant kids honestly.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

So you hate yourself?

[mikewhat]

wow. the kid likes ptw. big ****ing deal. jackass.

[xdeadtomorrowx]

wow. the kid likes ptw. big ****ing deal. jackass.

I don't see why when they are the biggest sack of crap ever since they released stuff after "The Opposite of December" and it wasn't the same. Heh, face it, PTW needs to call it quits immediately. They've sold out enough for one band..And changed members enough for two.

[shane italian]

I don't see why when they are the biggest sack of crap ever since they released stuff after "The Opposite of December" and it wasn't the same. Heh, face it, PTW needs to call it quits immediately. They've sold out enough for one band..And changed members enough for two.I think I just came up with a ground breaking concept! PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT TASTES!

Oh and Hatebreed are metalcore.

[xdeadtomorrowx]

I think I just came up with a ground breaking concept! PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT TASTES!

Oh and Hatebreed are metalcore.


HAHAHA, ooooooookay... Prove to me, how are they metalcore? So if you call Hatebreed metalcore, then so is Throwdown and every other tough guy band that tunes low and has vocals like that. And I assure you, that's lots of bands buddy. Just keep it down before I burn your ***.

Hatebreed isn't metalcore. Metalcore isn't just about breakdowns and drop D tuning, there's more to it. There's more metaphoric speaking in their lyrics more like emo I guess and it's not so straight foward. I can go into further detail and shame you all if you wish.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Metalcore tends to be more Drop C. Throwdown is metalcore.

[shane italian]

HAHAHA, ooooooookay... Prove to me, how are they metalcore? So if you call Hatebreed metalcore, then so is Throwdown and every other tough guy band that tunes low and has vocals like that. And I assure you, that's lots of bands buddy. Just keep it down before I burn your ***.

Hatebreed isn't metalcore. Metalcore isn't just about breakdowns and drop D tuning, there's more to it. There's more metaphoric speaking in their lyrics more like emo I guess and it's not so straight foward. I can go into further detail and shame you all if you wish.Sorry to break it to you but Throwdown don't sound exactly like Hatebreed. They don't Chug their way through a song.

P.S. Maybe I should update the lists.

[xdeadtomorrowx]

Sorry to break it to you but Throwdown don't sound exactly like Hatebreed. They don't Chug their way through a song.

First off, who said they were exactly alike? Second off I was just stating the fact that both of them have the drop tuning with chugging and breakdowns. That doesn't make them metalcore at all.

[xdeadtomorrowx]

Metalcore tends to be more Drop C. Throwdown is metalcore.

Throwdown is not metalcore you idiot. So what if their new album makes them seem metalcore? They aren't. Metalcore doesn't talk about straight edge, they are tough guy, their lyrics prove it. Metalcore isn't in Drop C. It might sound like it but it's mostly in Drop D.

[shane italian]

First off, who said they were exactly alike? Second off I was just stating the fact that both of them have the drop tuning with chugging and breakdowns. That doesn't make them metalcore at all.Listen to pre-Haymaker TD, sorry but I don't hear nothing but chugs.

[xdeadtomorrowx]

Listen to pre-Haymaker TD, sorry but I don't hear nothing but chugs.

Exactly, hence why they AREN'T METALCORE. Metalcore chugs in some parts just during breakdowns but thats it man, the rest isn't like that. Hatebreed isn't metalcore, they don't have comprehensive[if they are to you or not regardless] riffs like metalcore does. Metalcore doesn't have lyrics like that, they don't dress [although it seems fashionxcore, you can tell] like metalcore kids and don't act like them either. Do you see kids doing spin kicks in Hatebreed videos? NOPE!!!!! ALL OLD SCHOOL DANCING WHICH MEANS WHAT? THEY ARE TOUGH GUY...THANKS.

[mikewhat]

anyone who thinks throwdown and hatebreed is metalcore are idiots.

[shane italian]

Exactly, hence why they AREN'T METALCORE. Metalcore chugs in some parts just during breakdowns but thats it man, the rest isn't like that. Hatebreed isn't metalcore, they don't have comprehensive[if they are to you or not regardless] riffs like metalcore does. Metalcore doesn't have lyrics like that, they don't dress [although it seems fashionxcore, you can tell] like metalcore kids and don't act like them either. Do you see kids doing spin kicks in Hatebreed videos? NOPE!!!!! ALL OLD SCHOOL DANCING WHICH MEANS WHAT? THEY ARE TOUGH GUY...THANKS.I still disagree, but this isn't a big deal. We get the jist of things and these bands are on the edge of both genres. I don't think it's that big of a deal as long as kids aren't freaking out about the HaRdCoRe It Dies Today show they went to last night.

[xdeadtomorrowx]

I still disagree, but this isn't a big deal. We get the jist of things and these bands are on the edge of both genres. I don't think it's that big of a deal as long as kids aren't freaking out about the HaRdCoRe It Dies Today show they went to last night.

Granted, that is correct. Kids these days don't know what is what. I mean I saw in these threads that people called hopesfall hardcore. .hopesfall. is emocore just like life in your way. kthnxbye.

I mean It Dies Today already sold out cause they got on trustkill. Most bands that are on there are gayyy...Do you know that if a band makes a certain quota on the album sales they get automatically bumped up to Sony because of the deal Trustkill and Sony made, thats why Eighteen Vision is on a major now.

[mikewhat]

I mean It Dies Today already sold out cause they got on trustkill.


joke?

[xdeadtomorrowx]

joke?

Hah, no, listen to their new stuff and now their old. It's more soft in their new stuff, and like I said, Trustkill is a part of Sony now so they make the bands downgrade I bet. I mean It Dies Today wasn't doing that bad either in the genre, they were okay, generic but okay none the less.

[shane italian]

Granted, that is correct. Kids these days don't know what is what. I mean I saw in these threads that people called hopesfall hardcore. .hopesfall. is emocore just like life in your way. kthnxbye.

I mean It Dies Today already sold out cause they got on trustkill. Most bands that are on there are gayyy...Do you know that if a band makes a certain quota on the album sales they get automatically bumped up to Sony because of the deal Trustkill and Sony made, thats why Eighteen Vision is on a major now.I'm not that into 18V, especially after the new CD. But I can dig the new ITD only because I'm a bitch about the poppy psuedo-metalcore.

That deal with Trustkill is weird, I would only mind if WOJ or Terror got bumped because of show issues. But Sworn Enemy is on Elektra and they still get around to playing small venues.

[Gotkookie]

You guys suck, ive never even had many real shows in hawaii, only a few local bands. None of those bands can afford to come to hawaii. I guess its the price I pay.

[xdeadtomorrowx]

I'm not that into 18V, especially after the new CD. But I can dig the new ITD only because I'm a bitch about the poppy psuedo-metalcore.

That deal with Trustkill is weird, I would only mind if WOJ or Terror got bumped because of show issues. But Sworn Enemy is on Elektra and they still get around to playing small venues.

It won't happen, WOJ+BB=puresex. They are buddy buddy, they wouldn't do that, didn't you hear what happened when WOJ played in Boston a few weeks back?

Plus Terror won't ever happen. It just won't regardless of how AWESOME Lowest of the Low is and same with One With The Underdogs.

[shane italian]

It won't happen, WOJ+BB=puresex. They are buddy buddy, they wouldn't do that, didn't you hear what happened when WOJ played in Boston a few weeks back?

Plus Terror won't ever happen. It just won't regardless of how AWESOME Lowest of the Low is and same with One With The Underdogs.Are you talking about when Sworn Enemy and WOJ played in Boston and were asked to take off their BB shirts? Cause there's a big thread with a ton of lil bitches whining about how gay BB and FSU are.

As for Terror, they could goto Sony for all I care, doesn't mean they won't keep owning.

[xdeadtomorrowx]

Are you talking about when Sworn Enemy and WOJ played in Boston and were asked to take off their BB shirts? Cause there's a big thread with a ton of lil bitches whining about how gay BB and FSU are.

As for Terror, they could goto Sony for all I care, doesn't mean they won't keep owning.

Yeah that's the thing I'm talking about...BB and FSU are cool man, kids are just whiny little snuffs and can't take what hardcore really is when it comes down to it.

[shane italian]

Yeah that's the thing I'm talking about...BB and FSU are cool man, kids are just whiny little snuffs and can't take what hardcore really is when it comes down to it.I like FSU and BB, if you look in the thread you will see my clear opinion on the subject. I feel the same way as you, and I think it's more just how life really is. I grew up in a crap suburb of Dallas with violence and crime out the ying yang. It's nothing new to me.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Do you see kids doing spin kicks in Hatebreed videos?
yes.

but i agree with you, i don't really think of throwdown and hatebreed as metalcore, even if they do have some metally parts.

[shane italian]

I will repeat that I do not see Throwdown as metalcore...but they are close to crossing over the edge.

[BuddyBigsby]

Nice post, I believe you get the award for biggest idiot who doesn't know a thing about metalcore if you call Hatebreed metalcore. THANK YOU YOUR IGNORANCE IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.

Hahaha, you're the guy that thinks they're tough guy right?

I rest my case.

[shane italian]

Hahaha, you're the guy that thinks they're tough guy right?

I rest my case.Duderz, I need to find a way to LA.

[BuddyBigsby]

HAHAHA, ooooooookay... Prove to me, how are they metalcore? So if you call Hatebreed metalcore, then so is Throwdown and every other tough guy band that tunes low and has vocals like that. And I assure you, that's lots of bands buddy. Just keep it down before I burn your ***.

Hatebreed isn't metalcore. Metalcore isn't just about breakdowns and drop D tuning, there's more to it. There's more metaphoric speaking in their lyrics more like emo I guess and it's not so straight foward. I can go into further detail and shame you all if you wish.

Hey idiot, too bad you just defined metalcore out of sarcasm. Don't forget Hatebreed have double bass, tremolo picking, the occasional whammy bar abuse, and triplets. All elements of metal. If you're going to say you know so much, make sure you actually do.

Also guys, I'm putting in a request to get him banned in the Site forum. Please go to the the problematic users thread and back me up.

[BuddyBigsby]

Duderz, I need to find a way to LA.

Suckage. I'm working, so I can't go. And then I have Misery Signals and Premonitions of War that night.

[shane italian]

Be like the super HC kids and quite your job for a show.

[BuddyBigsby]

Ok, this xdeadtomorrowx kid really pisses me off, so I want to say something. Not so much because he has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to genres, but because he acts like he's big **** because he can name a couple BR00TAL TEKK METAL bands and is probably the coolest of his fashion faggot friends (search his posts. He's a girls' jeans kid).

News flash dead: You know a good amount of bands and obviously listen to good music. Great. Too bad every band you've ever listed save for two or three I (and quite a few of the regulars in this thread) am already familiar with. You do not know more than anybody here when it comes to bands, and you DEFINITELY don't know more when it comes to genres. Seriously, what kind of an idiot says Hatebreed are tough guy? If you even bothered to pay attention to their lyrics, you'd see their lyrics are for the most part positive and very rarely resemble tough guy at all. Like I said in my other post, Hatebreed, along with other metalcore bands take the hardcore formula and add upon it elements of metal, such as: double bass, speed picking, Swedish inspired riffage, etc. Go listen to Slayer, and then listen to Hatebreed, and tell me with a straight face you don't hear influence.

Now back to you being Mr. Hardcore. No, you are not. Since you apparently think bands like Hatebreed are not metalcore, you must obviously be in the Atreyu, Darkest Hour, Black Dahlia Murder, As I Lay Dying = metalcore camp.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

Let's continue with evidence of your stupidity, shall we? You called It Dies Today sellouts. Well, excuse me, but I could've swore I saw you in the CD review for the new underoath talking about how good their new sound is. Yeah, they're real original man. It's not like they haven't increased their fanbase tenfold with the new album. Definitely not sellouts. But It Dies Today, hey, they put clean vocals in their music, so roll out the money train!

It seems to me that you got into hardcore a few months ago when all your friends we're still listening to nu-metal, and now that you can name 300 bands or so, you think you're king of the scene. Too bad you're about as good off as blind kid with a porno mag when it comes to having this information. You do not know more than anybody else. You are not cool. You are not better than anyone. Congratulations, you are mediocre.

[SubtleDagger]

I'm sorry, but someone saying Hatebreed is not metalcore is beyond retarded.

[shane italian]

Bravo Buddy, BRAVO!

But I still don't consider Throwdown metalcore...

[SubtleDagger]

xdeadtomorrowx: "/me = b&"

[BuddyBigsby]

Bravo Buddy, BRAVO!

But I still don't consider Throwdown metalcore...

I don't really either. The only thing that really makes them metal to me is the low tunings. They're borderline in my eyes. I wouldn't cast stones at anyone for calling them metalcore, and same goes for calling them hardcore.

[SubtleDagger]

So, I have a question:

IMO, Glass Casket and BTBAM = Grindcore/Metalcore

Any other bands like this?

[BuddyBigsby]

Haha, turns out my attempt to get him ban succeeded.

This is a bittersweet victory. I hope he still sees that though. He seemed like a cool kid when he wasn't trying so hard.

[BuddyBigsby]

Subtle:

The Red Chord were doing that sound before both those bands, so them. Deadwater Drowning are in that vein too, but with way more mosh and hardcore influence.

[SubtleDagger]

Subtle:

The Red Chord were doing that sound before both those bands, so them.
Oh good.

At least you gave me some credit and didn't say Converge.

[BuddyBigsby]

Well, what I really meant to say was


CONVERGE!!!!!

AND WE WON'T! STAND IN! THE SAME SUN! AGAIN!

[SubtleDagger]

/me looked on SoulSeek and found an entire Red Chord album with easy download speed and is making a CD.

Good times.

EDIT: What I really like is the "Mordecai/In Between The Sheets" sort of sound, but I can never find any. > : (

[DavidBowieWasHere]

what would you consider the Circle Jerks, then.

i've always considered them hardcore.
Yup, hardcore. :)

Btw, grindcore isn't being called punk, is it? I always thought it was death metal.

[cbmartinez]

Thank god Dead got banned. I hate him. Way to take him down Buddy.

[NewKindofArmy03]

about hatebreed, i really don't think "satisfaction is the death of desire" would be considered metalcore. "rise of brutality" does however have a lot of metal elements, so i'd call that cd metalcore. and buddy was right, they aren't a tough guy band. their music may resemble it, but a lot of their lyrics are very positive.

[shane italian]

Yup, hardcore. :)

Btw, grindcore isn't being called punk, is it? I always thought it was death metal.Grind is just as much punk influenced as it is Metal.

[shane italian]

So, I have a question:

IMO, Glass Casket and BTBAM = Grindcore/Metalcore

Any other bands like this?Check out:
Premonitions of War
The Number 12 Looks Like You
As The Sun Sets

[syrUsbilt]

im thinking the next show i go to i'm going to wear tear away pants and go into the pit and take them off like that stripper guy from that jackass special in japan (yeah, ive watched jackass...lame). only then ill bust a few moves..

[young, loud and andrew]

im thinking the next show i go to i'm going to wear tear away pants and go into the pit and take them off like that stripper guy from that jackass special in japan (yeah, ive watched jackass...lame). only then ill bust a few moves..

hilarious.


Can anyone tell me anything about the band First Blood? I saw their performance on the Hellfest 2003 dvd and liked it.

[shane italian]

hilarious.


Can anyone tell me anything about the band First Blood? I saw their performance on the Hellfest 2003 dvd and liked it.They're a NorCal band with members of Terror, Sworn Vengance, and another band haha.

www.firstbloodrules.com

[mikewhat]

yo weiners:

throwdown and hatebreed aren't metalcore. i thought they were in 6th grade so i don't blame you guys.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

yo weiners:

throwdown and hatebreed aren't metalcore. i thought they were in 6th grade so i don't blame you guys.
If you knew Throwdown in 6th grade, I salute you.

[AndHagan3]

I thought Hatebreed was the definition of Metalcore? But then I dont listen to much in that genre.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

Hatebreed's newer stuff has more metal influence. They are borderline, but are usually considered metalcore. I love Hatebreed though.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

If you knew Throwdown in 6th grade, I salute you.

He may just be a 7th grader.

[AndHagan3]

I was listening to Throwdown last year.

[cbmartinez]

The only bands I liked in 6th grade were SmashMouth, Linkin Park (I think), Weird Al, Limp Bizkit and Weird Al.

[NewKindofArmy03]

but weird al is cool, i have bad hair day lying around somewhere from 5th grade.

[AndHagan3]

I was listening to Dr. Dre in 6th grade and not much else.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

I still listen to Dr. Dre.

*is serious*

[AndHagan3]

I don't. I keep thinking he was the same guy that did the show with that guy named Ed. But he didn't.

[NewKindofArmy03]

today me and my friends were talking about eminem and i was surprised i still knew all the lyrics even to his non-popular songs.

[AndHagan3]

I only know the lyrics to his big hits. Real Slim Shady and the one were he cries because people blame him for stuff.

[Big-Bird]

i only like one song by Eminem and it's White America...

[shane italian]

yo weiners:

throwdown and hatebreed aren't metalcore. i thought they were in 6th grade so i don't blame you guys.He weiner, majority rule.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

i only like one song by Eminem and it's White America...
That's actually not a bad song...

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

He may just be a 7th grader.
A year ago I listened to Good Charlotte. Heh. My tastes have evolved quite a bit...I'm in 9th grade but I skipped...so I'm the age of an 8th grader.

[NewKindofArmy03]

i was listening to stuff like that a year and a half ago and then i got into punk.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

In 8th grade I was all about Drive-Thru Records, which led to Thursday, which led to Poison The Well, then metalcore, then hardcore.

I'm in 10th, also skipped, so the age of a 9th grader.

[shane italian]

A year ago I was into the same stuff basically. More along the lines of Throwdown, Comeback Kid, Norma Jean, The Takeover and Stay Gold to name favorites at the time.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Last year I was into Norma Jean, Every Time I Die, and just starting to get into Converge.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

I just started liking Rancid and NOFX and stuff...and then I gradually made my way to street punk and whatnot, then I just got into hardcore...

[mikewhat]

He weiner, majority rule.


yeah, because you guys know what hardcore is.

[nothing6]

I'm in 10th grade now, Last year was pretty much the same stuff, except this year i'm getting into more hardcore like comeback kid and champion and what not.

[shane italian]

yeah, because you guys know what hardcore is.Don't gimme that BS. OoOoOo We said HATEBREED is Metalcore! We just tainted the hardcore name and spirit! I don't really care what you think Hatebreed is, they stand for the right things and they get kudos for that, but I personally find their music to be metallic.

[mikewhat]

i care.

[shane italian]

i care.Good for you?

[shane italian]

http://home.comcast.net/~alexmcapasso/music/ours.mp3

[BuddyBigsby]

yo weiners:

throwdown and hatebreed aren't metalcore. i thought they were in 6th grade so i don't blame you guys.

Nope, Hatebreed post-Satisfaction is completely metalcore. See what I was saying to dead on the subject.

[cbmartinez]

In 8th grade I was all about Drive-Thru Records, which led to Thursday, which led to Poison The Well, then metalcore, then hardcore.

I'm in 10th, also skipped, so the age of a 9th grader.

That's like my life story, even the part about skipping a grade and being in 10th grade.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

http://home.comcast.net/~alexmcapasso/music/ours.mp3
I still find that song to be really corny. It has a really good sound though.

[NewKindofArmy03]

http://home.comcast.net/~alexmcapasso/music/ours.mp3
word.

you just suck ALLP.

[listerine ice cream]

That's like my life story, even the part about skipping a grade and being in 10th grade.

i wish i could skip :upset:

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

word.

you just suck ALLP.
THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR MOM SAID!

[NewKindofArmy03]

i used to always get straight A's because im smart like that but i never had the chance to skip. and now i'm in a magnet school so i can't skip because everybody is smart.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

I skipped grade 3 because I moved to the UK. Something to do with the age being different or whatever. But I was really smart in grade 2, and probably would have skipped anyway.

[NewKindofArmy03]

THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR MOM SAID!
bitch, it's on now.

yo momma so fat, she stepped on a scale and it said "we don't weigh trucks."

















:upset:

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

bitch, it's on now.

yo momma so fat, she stepped on a scale and it said "we don't weigh trucks."

















:upset:
:lol:















:upset:

[shane italian]

Wtf is up with kids skipping grades?

[syrUsbilt]

Eben (looozer on here) skipped 3 grades. He is a little older than me and a senior in COLLEGE. Crazy.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

I skipped first grade, so I don't know if that counts.

[cbmartinez]

I skipped kindergarten. :) I'm 14 and in 10th grade. I turn 15 next month.

[AndHagan3]

WTF, thats crazy. I skipped Kindergarden too and I'm 15 and in the 10th grade.

[shane italian]

I skipped no grades and I'm 15 in the 10th grade...I'm supposed to be in 11th grade in California too.

[BuddyBigsby]

Well, I'm off to Martyr AD. I'll sing along to Haste the Day for you, shane.

[AndHagan3]

I skipped no grades and I'm 15 in the 10th grade...I'm supposed to be in 11th grade in California too.
California kids go to school earlier than the country folk in Indiana.

[BuddyBigsby]

3?! ...how many AndHagans do we need on this Earth?

[AndHagan3]

Don't worry their is only one.

[an0therface]

what would set 'melodic hardcore' apart from 'hardcore', 'post-hardcore' etc? and could you use some examples of bands, please

[Gotkookie]

Grind is just as much punk influenced as it is Metal.
agreed

[Gotkookie]

I thought Hatebreed was the definition of Metalcore? But then I dont listen to much in that genre.
i always thought metalcore wasnt really as much hardcore influenced, metalcores a lot more technical i.e : norma jean, through the eyes of the dead, etc...

[NewKindofArmy03]

metalcore is as much hardcore as it is metalcore, it depends on the band. and metalcore doesn't need to be technical.

[Gotkookie]

metalcore is as much hardcore as it is metalcore, it depends on the band. and metalcore doesn't need to be technical.
usually it is with all those annoying chuggas...

[BuddyBigsby]

That's because there's two factions of metalcore.

Real metalcore (Hatebreed, 100 Demons, Martyr AD)
and then everything else that gets called metalcore that really has very little relation to hardcore, besides the scene and the fanbase.

[Gotkookie]

That's because there's two factions of metalcore.

Real metalcore (Hatebreed, 100 Demons, Martyr AD)
and then everything else that gets called metalcore that really has very little relation to hardcore, besides the scene and the fanbase.
Converge gets called metalcore, I dont understand how or why...

[BuddyBigsby]

Exactly. They're in that second faction. It's become a sort of alternative genre for bands that aren't actually hardcore at all, but not quite metal either.

[frontsideflip4u]

who gives a **** its music and its not rap...thats what it is

theres two types of music...amazing and ****...why does everyone wanna argue about core being in front of something behind something being the root of this word or the root of that word...wtf...bull****

[BuddyBigsby]

Hey. Shut up.

[frontsideflip4u]

sir yes sir

[an0therface]

ho gives a **** its music and its not rap...thats what it is

theres two types of music...amazing and ****...why does everyone wanna argue about core being in front of something behind something being the root of this word or the root of that word...wtf...bull****


no matter how much you bitch about people trying to fit genres and categorise music it will still happen, get over it. plus it is interesting topic and it helps people like me find out what bands fit where and to learn what bands they wish to listen to and go see etc.

the end

[Atreyu346]

Yea putting music into genres is annoying but it still happens so we have to accept it.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

Putting music into genres doesn't annoy me in the least.

[BuddyBigsby]

95% of the people who whine about genres:

1. Newjacks / Just got into "screamo"
2. Listen to a handful of bands
or both.

[NewKindofArmy03]

genres aren't hard to learn at all though. i don't listen to much metal at all, and i can even tell what genre most metal bands are.

[cbmartinez]

I agree with the metalcore thing. I think the two groups are located on either side of the metalcore scale. Group A (100 Demons, Walls Of Jericho) are on the side with more of a hardcore influence. Group B (Atreyu, Bleeding Through) is leaning towards metal.

[cbmartinez]

I wanna' settle something.

Death By Stereo, hardcore or metalcore?

[BuddyBigsby]

Man, they're too all over the place. Like they have punk/hardcore one minute, and then metalcore the next. It's not really mixed, it's just like a sudden change in the music. Old stuff was more metalcore though, I guess.

[NewKindofArmy03]

hardcore and metalcore. one minute they're just straight-up hardcore and then the next they're leaning more towards metal. they're a band that's hard to classify, and so you can't really call them one or the other.

[cbmartinez]

Yeah, it is a tough one. But Throwdown is heavier than DBS and they get called hardcore, so I guess I'll go with hardcore.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Old stuff was more metalcore though, I guess.
no, i'd say as they evolve they get more metal influences in them.

[PlasticGangster]

the blood brothers and fear before the march of flames confuse me....

[BuddyBigsby]

Oh, and last night was good times. Haste the Day were awesome, though I felt a wee bit homoerotic singing along to the pretty parts. I can safely say Dead to Fall's new album sucks and that their singer is the ugliest man ever. Martyr AD destroyed.

[cbmartinez]

Both bands are extremely hard to classify. Both blend a lot of styles including screamo, pop-punk, metal, etc.

[cbmartinez]

Oh, and last night was good times. Haste the Day were awesome, though I felt a wee bit homoerotic singing along to the pretty parts. I can safely say Dead to Fall's new album sucks and that their singer is the ugliest man ever. Martyr AD destroyed.

Sounds awesome. I get chills just thinking about what a Martyr AD show would be like.

[PlasticGangster]

aahah!
haste the day has really catchy guitar rhythm's

[NewKindofArmy03]

i'm going to have to say unearth has the catchiest guitar leads.

[PlasticGangster]

im going to see unearth with the black dahlia murder and terror on the 13th

[PlasticGangster]

i'm going to have to say unearth has the catchiest guitar leads.
i beg to differ, underoath has really catchy guitar tunes.

[pedro durruti]

This thread needs to DIE

[cbmartinez]

Never!