Hardcore Community Thread

[REINER]

Ehh, half step down seems more useless to me.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Same with me. Half step is just a hassle.

[chips88]

That's why you need to play 5 string bass, sucka's!!!

What that has to do with tuning down, I have no idea, but I am too stupid to play guitar.

[REINER]

Haha, I don't like bass except for like blues or jazz. Which I cannot play.

[cbmartinez]

Yeah. Half steps are so annoying. You have to fret the first fret and ****. Plus, you might as well just go down to C. The only bands I can think of that use Drop Db are Death By Stereo, CBK, Norma Jean, and Finch.

[CONNER_NWHC]

Ehh, half step down seems more useless to me.
Ya i just did it for all in a year so im not tuning out untill i can play this song well.

[REINER]

Hoods

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Don't CBK and Norma Jean use Drop C normally?

[cbmartinez]

That's why you need to play 5 string bass, sucka's!!!

What that has to do with tuning down, I have no idea, but I am too stupid to play guitar.

Meh, I don't mind tuning down my 4 string to C, though the strings get a bit flopy. I tuned down to B for "Waiting For The Heavens" by 18V and my strings were so floppy. That's when I wished I had a 5.

[REINER]

Not CBK, I donno about Norma. I don't know any of their songs.

[cbmartinez]

Don't CBK and Norma Jean use Drop C normally?

Memphis is in Drop Db. I assumed the rest of the stuff was in Db.

[shane italian]

Today my friend found an old bank account his parents set up for him and forgot about. He went in the bank and we figured he would come out empty handed (he always comes up with sketchy plans for money) and he walks out with 200 bucks in his hand. So we went to the record store and he says "pick something out and get it". So I got A Wilhelm Scream 'Mute Print' and Set Your Goals EP. And he's gonna sell me his portable record player.

[CONNER_NWHC]

Cool sounds like a nice guy.

[shane italian]

Yeah, he said he would sell me the record player for 40 bucks.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Badass.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

That rules. I want a Set Your Goals EP. Oh and a record player.

[cbmartinez]

Shane, did you end up getting Together.Forever.United or whatever it was called?

[40 oz 2 freedom]

I've looked all over the intranet for a SYG 7", and I've been very unsuccessful.

[shane italian]

Well I got the CD. And I believe it's just a self titled ep.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Oh ok. Then I don't think SYG 7"s exist.

[shane italian]

There was a used Reach The Sky cd for 7 bucks.

[cbmartinez]

Shane, did you end up getting Together.Forever.United or whatever it was called?

...

[CONNER_NWHC]

Yes! Set Your Goals is coming here in March.

[57%_Raw]

Word is that soulseek program is shutting down next month, u guys always talk bout it so i figure ud want to kno.

[victimofreality]

I was just listening to Turn It Around, and Something Less is an awesome song.

[BuddyBigsby]

Today my friend found an old bank account his parents set up for him and forgot about. He went in the bank and we figured he would come out empty handed (he always comes up with sketchy plans for money) and he walks out with 200 bucks in his hand. So we went to the record store and he says "pick something out and get it". So I got A Wilhelm Scream 'Mute Print' and Set Your Goals EP. And he's gonna sell me his portable record player.

What place carried these?

*preps car for road trip to the OC*

EDIT: HAPPY 302ND PAGE EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CONNER_NWHC]

Lets make it to 1000.

[mabba]

grats. I need to start posting in here.

[shane italian]

What place carried these?

*preps car for road trip to the OC*

EDIT: HAPPY 302ND PAGE EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Greene records has everything.

Carry On
Reach The Sky
Lifetime
Song Of Zarathustra
Orchid
Panthers
Slapshot
In My Eyes
Count Me Out
and on and on and on.

Best record store, ever.

[cbmartinez]

Shane, did you wind up getting that Throwdown DVD?

[shane italian]

Ohhhh, I thought you were talking about a cd.

Nah, my friend has it so I might just borrow his copy.

[cbmartinez]

Ahhh, is Panthers the emo band with members of The Red Scare?

[shane italian]

I don't know much about them, I don't like them much to be honest. But I thought it was cool that they had their 12".

[cbmartinez]

Haha, damn you and your rampant music scene. The only place we have around here is Princeton Record Exchange, but I'm not sure if they would have indie stuff or whatver.

[cbmartinez]

I went all out on my A Types review.

http://www.musicianforums.com/sputnik/album.php?reviewid=1755&genreid=14

[mabba]

good review for A types. I'm a big fan of Hopesfall, but A types really hasn't done anything for me. I keep trying to listen to it hoping that I will find something that will standout and grab my attention, but nothing has popped up yet.

[cbmartinez]

http://www.myspace.com/normajean

New Norma Jean song. Discuss.

[CONNER_NWHC]

I don't like that at all.

[shane italian]

This is such a Botch rip off...it's not even funny.

[cbmartinez]

Yeah, the vocals are very weak and the guitar is sloppy.

[CONNER_NWHC]

It may be a good song to a Norma Jean fan...but im not a fan at all.

[cbmartinez]

Nah, I'm a big fan and I think it's weak.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Well I got the CD. And I believe it's just a self titled ep.
Demo 2004, right? I'm just making sure, I don't want there to be stuff I don't have.

[CONNER_NWHC]

Ya it's just titled Demo 2004. Good stuff.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Yeah, it took me a while to get into the NFG-styled vocals from that one guy. I really like how they switch between singers a lot though.

[CONNER_NWHC]

Same here man, I just found out there coming here in March.

[cbmartinez]

Man, F-Minus rules.

[CONNER_NWHC]

You know who rules? Stay Gold i can't stop listening to them.

[shane italian]

I'm Listening To Stay Gold Right Now! Omg!

[CONNER_NWHC]

Omg LOL! what's your favourite song?

[shane italian]

TGIF
or
Toy Boats and Battleships

[REINER]

Haha, damn you and your rampant music scene. The only place we have around here is Princeton Record Exchange, but I'm not sure if they would have indie stuff or whatver.It's a trip for you but there is always Crumedgeon and Vintage Vinyl.

[NewKindofArmy03]

All the good music stores here are within a 4 block radius of eachother. That's about 10 stores too.

[shane italian]

We have Greene and Bionic.

[CONNER_NWHC]

We have one good one and its downtown, about a 25 minute bus ride. So its not that far away.

[CONNER_NWHC]

TGIF
or
Toy Boats and Battleships
Everyone I talk to about SG say that they love the song TGIF, and i totally agree its a great song.

[cbmartinez]

It's a trip for you but there is always Crumedgeon and Vintage Vinyl.

Oh yeah, I saw that Norma Jean is playing at Vintage Vinyl in March. It's in Fords, right? I've never heard of it (the town or the place).

[REINER]

Yeah. I'v been there once. They have a good CD selection and a decent vinyle selection.

It's like a 30 minute trip for me, I don't know in which direction though.

[cbmartinez]

Hahaha, nice.

[REINER]

They're only decent upcoming instore show is Armor for Sleep.

[pedro durruti]

Haha I saw some guy floorpunching in Ace Ventura

[CONNER_NWHC]

Cannible Corpse is in it.

[shane italian]

Cannible Corpse is also in Airheads.

[CONNER_NWHC]

What sellouts. Haha

[capri sun junkie]

Man, F-Minus rules.

Yeah they do.

[victimofreality]

I went all out on my A Types review.

http://www.musicianforums.com/sputnik/album.php?reviewid=1755&genreid=14
Very good review. When there was that thread, it seemed like no one liked this cd.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Cannible Corpse is also in Airheads.
And their video was on Beavis and Butthead before.

[REINER]

Jim Carrey asked for CC to be in the movie because they're his favorite band.

[Forest_Fire]

"Ive gotta go now fellas, Ive got a date with all you mothers"

[shane italian]

**** man, this cd makes me want to shed some tears.

[CONNER_NWHC]

What CD?

[NewKindofArmy03]

http://www.stereokiller.com/boards/topic.cfm?all=0&topic_id=83827&forum_id=5&Topic_Title=best%20Pit%20PIC%20EVER%21%21%21%21%21 %21%21%21%21%21%21%21%21%21%21%21%21%21%21%21%21%2 1&forum_title=Show%20Reviews%2FScene&M=0&s=1&startrow=1 hahaha, look at the kids' faces!

[CONNER_NWHC]

HAHAHA that girl looks like a retard also.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

Hilarious.

[cbmartinez]

That girl rules.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

Does anyone have any Snapcase on soulseek? I can't seem to find any.

EDIT: Never mind, got some.

On another note, Snapcase rule.

[shane italian]

What CD?With Honor's self titled. Brings back so many memories from Texas. We would play "To Believe" everyday after school full blast and eat ramen.

[CONNER_NWHC]

That is a great ep. Im stoked to see them on this upcoming tour, the sing alongs are gunna be mad.

[BridgeToSolace]

Does anyone have any Snapcase on soulseek? I can't seem to find any.

EDIT: Never mind, got some.

On another note, Snapcase rule.

"Bright Flashes" is a tight album.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

With Honor's self titled. Brings back so many memories from Texas. We would play "To Believe" everyday after school full blast and eat ramen.
I love this song, I hope they play it when I see them.

[young, loud and andrew]

With Honor is unbelievably good. I'm sure they will play "To Believe."

[CONNER_NWHC]

Oh im sure they will.

[CONNER_NWHC]

Download this demo guys. Straight up 604HXC.

http://www.kclange.com/instride/

[cbmartinez]

1. The Killing Tree rule
2. Champion rule
3. Pig Destroyer are scary as ****

Three things I learned/reaffirmed while listening to music at Barnes And Noble.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

With Honor is more like unbelievably mediocre.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Also, someone neg repped me in the picture thread. Who wants to help investigate?

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

With Honor is more like unbelievably mediocre.
You're more like gay.

I joke. <3

[cbmartinez]

Also, someone neg repped me in the picture thread. Who wants to help investigate?

Repp'd.

[BridgeToSolace]

1. The Killing Tree rule


Quoted for truth.

[MothEatenDeerHead213]

With Honor is more like unbelievably mediocre.

I think With Honor is awesome
Yeah so what if they are like most of the other bands
Most of the other bands are on fire
up in here
take it off
before it gets too hot
we on fire

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

:lol:

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Oh ALLP, you so silly.

Cb, I am now in your debt.

[shane italian]

Got back from the record store.

Stand & Fight - Together We Win
With or Without You - Six Reasons To Drop Out
Mortal Kombat DVD

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

I never liked Stand & Fight.

[Silvermedalmafia]

mortal kombat dvd? thats sweet.

[BuddyBigsby]

With Honor is more like unbelievably mediocre.

Incorrect. They prove that musicianship can have a place in hardcore.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

I never liked Stand & Fight.

:amaze: Whaaaaaa?!?!

Buddy, you stay out of this. :wave:

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

:amaze: Whaaaaaa?!?!

Buddy, you stay out of this. :wave:
You keep quiet about this and I won't speak a word about With Honor.

[BuddyBigsby]

I <3 Cali

03/16 @ 07:00 PM A Day in Black and White (Level Plane Records)
Navies
Transistor Transistor (Level Plane Records)
+ 1 $7.00

03/19 @ 08:00 PM Internal Affairs
Down to Nothing
Stand & Fight
+ 1 $6

[shane italian]

I'm gonna be scared going to Long Beach, though :(

[BuddyBigsby]

What's wrong with Long Beach?

The area a couple blocks from that venue is questionable, but where the actual venue is at it's alright.

[tornpictures]

Long Beach is pretty shady, dude.

Everyone download the Life is a Fight demo on SoulSeek.

[cbmartinez]

03/16 @ 07:00 PM A Day in Black and White (Level Plane Records)
Navies
Transistor Transistor (Level Plane Records)
+ 1 $7.00

I hate you. You better go.

[cbmartinez]

There's a new Converge side project, Doomriders, featuring Nate Newton. I don't like them that much though.

http://www.deathwishinc.com/download.mp3s/DOOMRIDERS.rideordie.mp3

Oh, and I saw that Bleeding Kansas is putting out a CD next month. 1985, I believe?

[tornpictures]

Whoah, $7 for a show is kinda pricey.

[cbmartinez]

That's how much shows around here usually are. And for local bands.

[REINER]

7? Pricey?

HAHAHA.

The average here is 10, anything under is cheap.

[REINER]

There's a new Converge side project, Doomriders, featuring Nate Newton. I don't like them that much though.

http://www.deathwishinc.com/download.mp3s/DOOMRIDERS.rideordie.mp3 I like it, but it might aswell just be a Converge song.

[CONNER_NWHC]

7? Pricey?

HAHAHA.

The average here is 10, anything under is cheap.
Most shows here are 7 if its all local bands it can be 5.

[Jessizzle]

A lot of times it 5$ or 10$ with a cd.

[cbmartinez]

I like it, but it might aswell just be a Converge song.

I didn't really hear any Converge in it. Well maybe like Caring And Killing Converge.

[tornpictures]

7? Pricey?

HAHAHA.

The average here is 10, anything under is cheap.

Wow, really?

Shows used to be like $2-$6.

Even now you have lots of cheaper shows. I don't mind paying that much, but I wonder what they use all that money for.

[SickOnTheBusYouCunt]

you've got it good, those prices are insanely low

[victimofreality]

When I saw Enisgn, it was only seven dollars I think. Rise Agaist is 10.

[tornpictures]

I downloaded that 'Shape of Punk to Come' album and God it was terrible.

Boring wanker electro ****.

[mabba]

I downloaded that 'Shape of Punk to Come' album and God it was terrible.

Boring wanker electro ****.


you sir, are a moron.

[shane italian]

Long Beach is pretty shady, dude.This man speaks the truth, Scott. In a way I would rather be in downtown LA than Long Beach.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Wow, really?

Shows used to be like $2-$6.

Even now you have lots of cheaper shows. I don't mind paying that much, but I wonder what they use all that money for.
In the punk scene here, the bands always do free shows and shows under $5. I don't like all of those bands that much though so I don't go to many. Other then that, local shows are even $7 now. For bigger bands, shows are always $7-$15.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

NEW THE DISTANCE SONG RULES.

www.purevolume.com/thedistance

"Anything Anything"

It's a cover...never heard the song but this cover rules.

[REINER]

Local shows are 10. If it's a bigger show and you need to buy tickets ina dvance it's like 16+conveniance charge. That's why I don't go to those shows a lot anymore.

It's so lame, barely are there good shows for under 10.

Even crappy local band shows are 10.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Who charges 16 a show? The most expensive show I payed for other then Hatebreed(stillborn fest) was Madball/H20/Righteous Jams/Blacklisted and that was 15, day of the show.

[shane italian]

I'm gonna be pissed tomorrow when I buy my Bane tickets.

[NewKindofArmy03]

I need to buy mine. If I get my Strike Anywhere tickets in advance, i'll buy them too because it's at the same venue. The Bane show is 10 in advance, and 12 day of show.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

I think the most expensive a show here would be is 15, at the door. Canadian.

[cbmartinez]

Hamilton St. shows are $10, usually for both local and signed bands (Hot Cross, Psyopus, Casey Jones). I usually pay 5, 6, or 7 to see a bunch of local bands. I'm pretty sure Hamilton Street is like 10, how much did you pay to see Casey Jones, Reiner?

[REINER]

10 bucks.

[cbmartinez]

Yeah, I think it's reasonable. I don't mind paying $7 to see local bands, especially now that there are some good local bands around here. A lot of shows will usually be $7 or $5 with a canned good.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

NEW THE DISTANCE SONG RULES.

www.purevolume.com/thedistance

"Anything Anything"

It's a cover...never heard the song but this cover rules.
Has this been out for a long time without me knowing? Because I can't find the 7" anywhere.

[cbmartinez]

Probably from the split with With Honor was it?

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

Nope, it was on a 7", with just that song. It's on Interpunk, it's out of stock though.
http://www.interpunk.com/item.cfm?Item=58355&

[shane italian]

Holy ****. The Down to Nothing/Stand & Fight/Internal Affairs show in Long Beach is only 6 bucks. I'm definately going.

[CONNER_NWHC]

I really can't wait till next saturday. Blue monday,go it alone,sober unit, stop at nothing....BASEMENT show!

[NewKindofArmy03]

the weekend of the 12th-13th has 3 shows. On Saturday, Kill Your Idols, Forward to Death, and Crime in Stereo during the day and Set Ablaze at night somewhere else. Then on Sunday, Strike Anywhere, the Unseen, None More Black and The Loved Ones.

[AIRIC]

the weekend of the 12th-13th has 3 shows. On Saturday, Kill Your Idols, Forward to Death, and Crime in Stereo during the day and Set Ablaze at night somewhere else. Then on Sunday, Strike Anywhere, the Unseen, None More Black and The Loved Ones.


Sounds awesome.

[shane italian]

March:
Down To Nothing
Stand & Fight
Internal Affairs

Bane
Comeback Kid
With Honor

Bane
Comeback Kid
With Honor

Facedown Fest

[young, loud and andrew]

Feb: This Is Hell

March: Bane/CBK/Silent Drive/With Honor, Champion/7 Seconds

[NewKindofArmy03]

Feb:
KYI/Forward to Death/Crime in Stereo
Strike Anywhere/The Unseen/NMB
RAMBO/Munipical Waste/Caustic Christ

March:
Paint it Black/The Loved Ones/Voice in the Wire
Bane/CBK/With Honor

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Champion/7 Seconds

Ohhh shiit. Is that who 7 Seconds is touring with?

[CONNER_NWHC]

http://www.westcoastworldwide.com/videos/rival/timeforliving.wmv
http://www.westcoastworldwide.com/videos/rival/internalaffairs.wmv
http://www.westcoastworldwide.com/videos/rival/goitalone.wmv
http://www.westcoastworldwide.com/videos/rival/allegiance.wmv
http://www.westcoastworldwide.com/videos/rival/verse.wmv
http://www.westcoastworldwide.com/videos/killingthedream.wmv

Some videos from Rivalry showcase.

[cbmartinez]

Feb:
KYI/Forward to Death/Crime in Stereo
Strike Anywhere/The Unseen/NMB
RAMBO/Munipical Waste/Caustic Christ

March:
Paint it Black/The Loved Ones/Voice in the Wire
Bane/CBK/With Honor

Do you like The Loved Ones?

[NewKindofArmy03]

I still haven't given them a good listen, but I somewhat like the stuff i've heard. Everything in that family of bands(lifetime, kid dynamite, paint it black, etc.) is amazing though. I've also read reviews for their EP and they've all been really good. I'll go listen to them more now. They're playing the Strike Anywhere show too.

[young, loud and andrew]

http://www.westcoastworldwide.com/videos/rival/timeforliving.wmv
http://www.westcoastworldwide.com/videos/rival/internalaffairs.wmv
http://www.westcoastworldwide.com/videos/rival/goitalone.wmv
http://www.westcoastworldwide.com/videos/rival/allegiance.wmv
http://www.westcoastworldwide.com/videos/rival/verse.wmv
http://www.westcoastworldwide.com/videos/killingthedream.wmv

Some videos from Rivalry showcase.

Thank you very very much.


Do any of you like Death Before Dishonor? I've been listening to their song on B9.com for the past day, and I really like it... I want to buy their cd at some point.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Yeah, they rule. I havent heard their new one yet. They just played here, but I ended up going somewhere else instead. True Till Death is the best song i've heard by them.

[shane italian]

God I love Internal Affairs. I still think that show was worth stealing a car for.

[obese_breasts]

Do you like The Loved Ones?

They are pretty good, I am now listening to the song they have on purevolume.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Yeah, I just listened to 2 of their songs and I like them. It's different, and has a more of a rock n roll feel.

[obese_breasts]

do have any Voice in the Wire stuff on soulseek New?

[NewKindofArmy03]

No, i've only heard about 4 songs and I don't think they're in my Soulseek files.

[obese_breasts]

ah darn

[REINER]

Blacklisted and Donnybrook an April.

This keeps getting better and better. Now hopefully my mom won't ground me for nearly failing Brit Lit.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Blacklisted is touring with Donnybrook? Because I read Donnybrook is playing here in April but it didn't say who with.

[REINER]

I guess so, the show is at Bloomfield Ave.

Blacklisted might just be playing cause it's a local-ish show or something.

[cbmartinez]

They are pretty good, I am now listening to the song they have on purevolume.
I still haven't given them a good listen, but I somewhat like the stuff i've heard. Everything in that family of bands(lifetime, kid dynamite, paint it black, etc.) is amazing though. I've also read reviews for their EP and they've all been really good. I'll go listen to them more now. They're playing the Strike Anywhere show too.

I saw them play. They didn't do much for me.

[BuddyBigsby]

Shane and torn: Long Beach isn't that bad guys, c'mon. LA is way worse for the most part, especially if we're talking about like where Studio S is in North Hollywood.

Chris: Its called 1859, and it's been out. I know they're selling them over their myspace if you send them a message, they have $6 shirts too.

[BuddyBigsby]

Oh no...

7 Seconds and Merauder / The Risk Taken / Hoods

... ON THE SAME NIGHT!!!! :upset:

[shane italian]

I'm skipping the second night of Facedown Fest for Down To Nothing. The only band worth seeing that night is Hit The Deck anyways, and I can see them in June.

[shane italian]

Shane and torn: Long Beach isn't that bad guys, c'mon. LA is way worse for the most part, especially if we're talking about like where Studio S is in North Hollywood. Nah man, Long Beach is overlooked in a way, so it's worse in my eyes. I wouldn't be caught dead in Signal Hill unless I had some big burly black man with me.

[tornpictures]

This man speaks the truth, Scott. In a way I would rather be in downtown LA than Long Beach.

My car got broke into when I went to a show there once.

[57%_Raw]

Clearing Autumn Skies? any one like or heard of em or anything?

[young, loud and andrew]

Oh no...

7 Seconds and Merauder / The Risk Taken / Hoods

... ON THE SAME NIGHT!!!! :upset:


Definitely go to 7 Seconds/Champion. 7 Seconds has been around for so long--they could break up any day, and you would regret not seeing them (if you haven't).

The Risk Taken is badass, but I only have two of their songs.

[AndreTheHyena]

Which Glassjaw album(s) should I check out?

[cbmartinez]

If you'd like an easier, approachable, accessable album, go with Everything Thing You Ever Wanted To Know About Silence. You want a fantastic mix of chaos and beauty that takes a bit longer to comprehend, go with Worship And Tribute.

[AndreTheHyena]

Word.

[cbmartinez]

Shane and torn: Long Beach isn't that bad guys, c'mon. LA is way worse for the most part, especially if we're talking about like where Studio S is in North Hollywood.

Chris: Its called 1859, and it's been out. I know they're selling them over their myspace if you send them a message, they have $6 shirts too.

Ahhhh. In AP, they had it under releases for February. Maybe their just re-releasing it.

[MattyBlade]

**Decided to bring this into the Punk Forum. If it turns into a spam/agrument thread then close it as soon as possible. It's meant for education and actual discussion.


This is for those of you who throw around the the phrase hardcore far too often.

Metalcore is often mistaken for Hardcore on these boards. Here's the difference.

Hardcore is punk influenced music that sometimes has a heavier sound and sometime's doesn't. It sometimes have breakdowns and some don't, this depends more on the age of the band. Some are straight edge, some aren't. But most have honest sincere lyrics about issues that they themselves face.

Metalcore is obviously metal influenced and because they're of this there is more complexity in the writings of guitar, more noted riffs added to it than hardcore has.. Some say that it has punk influences...but that depends on what band you are talking about. Metalcore has a lot of breakdowns, most of which have the "JUN JUN JUN" sound which some double bass. Metalcore was a lot better a couple years ago before more and more band's started learning that you can tune into drop-C, use only thin picks, and get a drummer who knows his double bass.

Hardcore bands:
Blood For Blood, Chain Of Strength, American Nightmare, Death Threat, Judge, Gorilla Biscuits, 7 Seconds, Champion, Count Me Out, Carry On, Terror

Metalcore bands:
Hatebreed, 100 Demons, Bury Your Dead, Black My Heart, On Broken Wings, Hoods, North Side Kings, Walls Of Jericho, Clenched Fist

MORE BY SK8SKANJ

Grindcore in its purest form consisted of short, apocalyptic blasts of noise played on standard heavy metal instrumentation (distorted guitar, bass, drums). Although grindcore wasn't just randomly improvised, it certainly didn't follow conventional structure, either; while riffs could sometimes be picked out, pure grindcore never featured verses, choruses, or even melodies. Grindcore vocals sounded torturous, ranging from high-pitched shrieks to low, throat-shredding growls and barks; although the lyrics were usually quite verbose, they were very rarely intelligible. Some bands in this catagory can also be known as Mathcore or Tech Metal, meaning they're more complex in the musical writings and tend to be more organized.

Grindcore bands:
Napalm Death, Dillinger Escape Plan, Death, Carcass, The Locust, The Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza, **** and Ball Torture, Pig Destroyer, Agoraphobic Nosebleed...

Emo style has become broader over the years. In the beginning, these bands consisted mostly of people who played in hardcore punk bands, got burned out its limited forms, and moved to a guitar-oriented, midtempo rock-based sound with emotional punk vocals (i.e., no posed soulful crooning like pop music). The central aspect here is the guitars - distorted, strummed mostly in duo unison, with occasional catchy riff highlights. This becomes known as the classic "D.C. sound," along with the octave chords that show up in later "emo" music. Later bands bring in more pop elements, like catchy-riff based songs, pop song structures (listen to Jawbreaker's "Chesterfield King" to illustrate this), and less-punk, more-smoothly-sung high-register singing (less yelling, straining, throatiness). Listen to Elliot or Chamberlain for an example of how alternative-pop this music has become. Yet those bands are undeniably still emocore. Also note most emo bands play Gibson Les Paul guitars, with a few SGs, and use mostly Marshall JCM-800 amps...Emo has recently evolved into something more complex since the D.C. era. Bands have adopted to more obscure lyrics along with intricate riffs and interesting vocals.

Emo bands:
Rites of Spring, Embrace, Gray Matter, Ignition, Dag Nasty, Monsula, Fugazi kind of, Fuel, Samiam, Jawbreaker, Hot Water Music, Elliot, Friction, Soulside, early Lifetime, Split Lip/Chamberlain, Kerosene 454

Post-Hardcore
In the early-to-mid '80s, several bands in the United States came to life that were inspired by the do-it-yourself ethics and the cathartic, guitar-heavy material characterized by the hardcore punk bands that predated them. These newer bands, termed post-hardcore, often found complex and dynamic ways of blowing off steam that generally went outside the strict hardcore realm of "loud fast rules." These bands often used more than three chords and they also creatively built and released tension rather than airing their dirty laundry in short, sharp, frenetic bursts. Additionally, many of these bands' vocalists were just as likely to deliver their lyrics with a whispered croon as they were a maniacal yelp. Along with Husker Du, Naked Raygun was one of the first U.S. post-punk bands of the early '80s that merged melodic influences with punk/hardcore. These were the first two bands (Husker and Naked Raygun) in 1981. With other bands in the Chicago scene such as the Effigies, Breaking Circus and Man Sized Action followed by later bands such as Fugazi, Quicksand, Dag Nasty and Mission Of Burma. Another important influence on many of these bands was U.K. post-punk from the late '70s and early '80s; Gang of Four, Public Image Limited, Joy Division, and Wire played a significant role in many of the bands' musical growth.
death are deathmetal not grindcore

[cbmartinez]

They could fit into either genre.

[SubtleDagger]

Death metal and grindcore are damn near twins.

http://www.hxcmp3.com/bands/16880/ if you like me and also Thrice songs.

PS I'm seeing PsyOpus and Acacia Strain April 2nd.

[BritItch]

sweet.

[BuddyBigsby]

Definitely go to 7 Seconds/Champion. 7 Seconds has been around for so long--they could break up any day, and you would regret not seeing them (if you haven't).

The Risk Taken is badass, but I only have two of their songs.

Yeah, after some thought, I think I'm going to go with 7 Seconds. I could never really get into Merauder and Hoods don't really do anything for me either. The only band I really care about is TRT. Funny though, this will be my 3rd time I get screwed out of seeing them, but I guess it's ok for 7 Seconds.

...Champion isn't on the 7S tour, are they???

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Which Glassjaw album(s) should I check out?

Waddup dog? Worship and Tribute.

[AndreTheHyena]

Waddup dog? Worship and Tribute.

Sup broham. Downloadin' as we speak.

[NewKindofArmy03]

PS I'm seeing PsyOpus and Acacia Strain April 2nd.
PsyOpus are really good live, their guitarist pulls everything off perfectly. When I saw them, 3/4 of the kids left after the big local bands and there were only 30 people watching them.

[REINER]

I think I'm going to With Honor tomorrow, and going to leave before Madball/Agnostic Front.

[SubtleDagger]

PsyOpus are really good live, their guitarist pulls everything off perfectly. When I saw them, 3/4 of the kids left after the big local bands and there were only 30 people watching them.
Too bad I missed BTBAM. That would have been flawless.

[shane italian]

Today's purchases:
Stop It!! - Self Made Maps
Gorilla Biscuits - Start Today
Reach The Sky - Friends, Lies, and the End of the World
The Movielife - Has A Gambling Problem

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

I want that RTS album. So much that it is my avatar. I think I will order it right now.

[shane italian]

I got it for 7 bucks :cool:

[young, loud and andrew]

...Champion isn't on the 7S tour, are they???

Yup, they are.

Can you send me The Risk Taken demo/ep?

[cbmartinez]

How's the Stop It! album?

[MothEatenDeerHead213]

Kids, holy ****
Good show look:

MISSION FEST 2005
.
FRIDAY FEB. 4TH
.
DEATH THREAT
DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR ( CD RELEASE )
THE WRONGSIDE
COLIN OF ARABIA
BLACKLISTED
CHOOSE YOUR WEAPON
SHERE KHAN
.
@ ROMAN'S 30 INTERVALE ST. BROCKTON, MA. 9 PM DOORS

Oh man, sucks that I can't go
Brockton is a horrible neighborhood
and it's at 9...feck

[cbmartinez]

9 PM doors. That's super lame.

[REINER]

That can't be right. That show wouldn't end until like 1-2ish.

[shane italian]

I will be skipping second night of Facedown Fest to see Down To Nothing.

And this Stop It!! cd is quite good.

[NewKindofArmy03]

I think I'm going to With Honor tomorrow, and going to leave before Madball/Agnostic Front.
Lame, you should stay for Madball. Madball>99.4% of hardcore bands.

[BuddyBigsby]

Kids, holy ****
Good show look:

MISSION FEST 2005
.
FRIDAY FEB. 4TH
.
DEATH THREAT
DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR ( CD RELEASE )
THE WRONGSIDE
COLIN OF ARABIA
BLACKLISTED
CHOOSE YOUR WEAPON
SHERE KHAN
.
@ ROMAN'S 30 INTERVALE ST. BROCKTON, MA. 9 PM DOORS

Oh man, sucks that I can't go
Brockton is a horrible neighborhood
and it's at 9...feck

So... Death Threat DIDN'T break up or....?

[REINER]

Lame, you should stay for Madball. Madball>99.4% of hardcore bands.I'm not a big Madball fan, besides it's the only way I was able to convince my mom to let me go.

I think DT's last show is sometime this month.

[shane italian]

Sucks for all the people that traveled for the "last show".

[NewKindofArmy03]

Haha, yeah. Then all of a sudden they announce 4 more shows.

[BuddyBigsby]

Well I did think it was lame how their 'last show' was opening for someone else.

[bassistthatrocksout]

i have a ? for the first poster dude. whatever. would metallica fall into any of these groups or would they just be hardrock? :confused:

[shane italian]

i have a ? for the first poster dude. whatever. would metallica fall into any of these groups or would they just be hardrock? :confused:I believe they are thrash metal.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

i have a ? for the first poster dude. whatever. would metallica fall into any of these groups or would they just be hardrock? :confused:
You sir, appear to be experienced in the field of bungling anus.

[honkybrewster]

i have a ? for the first poster dude. whatever. would metallica fall into any of these groups or would they just be hardrock? :confused:
I think you'd put Metallica under "suck." Now go have puberty, and come back when you're done with all that.

[CONNER_NWHC]

Anyone have the full leaked wake the dead yet?

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

I have it with really ****ty quality mp3s.

EDIT: Never mind, it's not the whole album, just those 9 tracks.

[shane italian]

Anyone have the full leaked wake the dead yet?I saw a Go It Alone cd today at the record store.

[REINER]

Ditto.

[REINER]

FRIDAY FEB 11TH @ THE HUDSON DUSTER (Troy, NY)

S H A T T E R E D R E A L M
D E A T H T H R E A T
I N H U M A N
MURDERERS ROW
SEVERED TIES

A BENEFIT SHOW...AND DEATH THREATS LAST SHOW...REALLY.

DOORS 8PM $8

COME OUT...SUPPRORT A GOOD CAUSE...SEE DEATH THREATS LAST SHOW.

THE HUDSON DUSTER
40 3RD ST TROY, NY
(518)687-2391

www.hudsonduster.com

[CONNER_NWHC]

I saw a Go It Alone cd today at the record store.
Was it Vancouver Gold? You should have bought it man.

Oh and i did end up finding the whole CD.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

Was it Vancouver Gold? You should have bought it man.

Oh and i did end up finding the whole CD.
Was it **** quality mp3s? Because if it wasn't I want it.

[CONNER_NWHC]

It's Downloading now, and it's all 11 tracks, and the person said its full lenght good quality.

[shane italian]

Was it Vancouver Gold? You should have bought it man.

Oh and i did end up finding the whole CD.Yeah, it was. I was gonna buy it, but then I decided to wait.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

It's Downloading now, and it's all 11 tracks, and the person said its full lenght good quality.
:eek: slsk? What's the user name?

[CONNER_NWHC]

Same as here, also im getting it from preexx

[CONNER_NWHC]

Yeah, it was. I was gonna buy it, but then I decided to wait.
How much are they selling it for?

[BuddyBigsby]

Shows (for pwning purposes):

February
4th: 25 Ta Life/Donnybrook/Bound in Blood, but going to see local bands instead
9th: Rise Against/Only Crime and Atreyu/Unearth/Norma Jean. Going to Rise Against.
11th: The Locust/Ex Models/Plot to Blow Up the Eiffel Tower and also a Blood Brothers show. Going to see local hardcore bands instead.
13th: The Deal and Bury Your Dead/Walls Of Jericho/Full Blown Chaos/POW
18th: Warriors/Reflux/Deadsoil
20th: Where Eagles Dare
24th: Sinai Beach
26th: Merauder/Hoods/Risk Taken and 7 Seconds/Champion. Going to the latter.

March
3rd: From A Second Story Window/Into the Moat/Acacia Strain
4th: 18V/Misery Signals/Gay bands and Unseen/Ramallah/Pistolgrip. Still trying to decide on this one.
5th: Psyopus and local band fest thingy
10th: Blacklisted/Internal Affairs
11th: Isis/Mare and Cryptopsy. Probably going to Cryptopsy.
13th: Folly/Gay bands (Anterrabae, Odd Project)
16th: A Day In Black and White/Transistor, Transistor
18th: Facedown Fest Night 1 or Armor For Sleep/Recover. Still deciding.
19th: Facedown Fest Night 2 or Internal Affairs/Down for Nothing/Stand and Fight. Still deciding.
24th: SINCE THE FLOOD/Acacia Strain/Gay bands (Twelve Tribes)
25th: These Arms are Snakes or that Bane tour. Still deciding but leaning towards Bane.
26th: Bane again.

April
1st: Mastodon
4th: Fear Before/Hopesfall/Gay bands (Underoath and The Chariot)
7th: Kill Your Idols

[young, loud and andrew]

I'm going to buy CBK when it comes out, or until there's a pre order deal thru victory. I just bought the Death Before Dishonor pre-order tonight. It's $8 and includes a free poster. That's a **** good deal for a cd you are going to be receiving several weeks early.

[shane italian]

Where is the Since The Flood show going to be at?

[BuddyBigsby]

Showcase

[BuddyBigsby]

That's a **** good deal for a cd you are going to be receiving several weeks early.

Order it through Bridge 9? Hahahahahahaha, think again.

[young, loud and andrew]

Shows (for pwning purposes):

February
4th: 25 Ta Life/Donnybrook/Bound in Blood, but going to see local bands instead
9th: Rise Against/Only Crime and Atreyu/Unearth/Norma Jean. Going to Rise Against.
11th: The Locust/Ex Models/Plot to Blow Up the Eiffel Tower and also a Blood Brothers show. Going to see local hardcore bands instead.
13th: The Deal and Bury Your Dead/Walls Of Jericho/Full Blown Chaos/POW
18th: Warriors/Reflux/Deadsoil
20th: Where Eagles Dare
24th: Sinai Beach
26th: Merauder/Hoods/Risk Taken and 7 Seconds/Champion. Going to the latter.

March
3rd: From A Second Story Window/Into the Moat/Acacia Strain
4th: 18V/Misery Signals/Gay bands and Unseen/Ramallah/Pistolgrip. Still trying to decide on this one.
5th: Psyopus and local band fest thingy
10th: Blacklisted/Internal Affairs
11th: Isis/Mare and Cryptopsy. Probably going to Cryptopsy.
13th: Folly/Gay bands (Anterrabae, Odd Project)
16th: A Day In Black and White/Transistor, Transistor
18th: Facedown Fest Night 1 or Armor For Sleep/Recover. Still deciding.
19th: Facedown Fest Night 2 or Internal Affairs/Down for Nothing/Stand and Fight. Still deciding.
24th: SINCE THE FLOOD/Acacia Strain/Gay bands (Twelve Tribes)
25th: These Arms are Snakes or that Bane tour. Still deciding but leaning towards Bane.
26th: Bane again.

April
1st: Mastodon
4th: Fear Before/Hopesfall/Gay bands (Underoath and The Chariot)
7th: Kill Your Idols

OH MY GOD. What a list. Also, don't call Anterrabae "gay," they kick a.ss.

[CONNER_NWHC]

F'uck off shane and buddy to many good shows down there.

[young, loud and andrew]

Order it through Bridge 9? Hahahahahahaha, think again.

All of the kids on the B9er who pre-ordered got it pretty quickly. I have faith because I have never had issues buying things online. Either way, $8 is a lot less than I would pay if I were to buy it in stores.

[CONNER_NWHC]

Well here my shows in the next two months.

Feb 04
Sinking Ships . Ordeal . Legit . Yossarian . The Crazies...if parents let me.

Feb 05
Blue Monday . Go It Alone . Sober Unit . Stop At Nothing ....im there for sure.

Feb 12
GO IT ALONE . THE ANSWER . BLUE MONDAY . COUNT THE HOURS

Feb 18
HOLLOW GROUND . ENDLESS FIGHT . IN STRIDE

Mar 17
R.A.M.B.O. . Snake Run . Limb from Limb . Vengeance

Apr 03
Bane . Comeback Kid . With Honor

[obese_breasts]

God I wish the Bane, CBK, With Honor tour came closer to me.

[CONNER_NWHC]

How far away is it? Driving wise.

[obese_breasts]

2.5 hours, and I can't drive/wouldn't have a ride

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Dude, Reiner, missing Madball? Bad call.

Shane, buying ...Has A Gambling Problem, good call.

[stateofalert]

"Emo bands:
Rites of Spring, Embrace, Gray Matter, Ignition, Dag Nasty, Monsula, Fugazi kind of, Fuel, Samiam, Jawbreaker, Hot Water Music, Elliot, Friction, Soulside, early Lifetime, Split Lip/Chamberlain, Kerosene 454"

okay, Rites of Spring...maybe. But I remember, and I qoute Ian Mackaye replying to some stupid *** zine author labeling Embrace as "emo-core" with "that is the stupidest ****ing thing I have ever heard."

Thus that is just stupid. And should be fixed. Sorry but that just sort of pisses me off "education" psh.

[obese_breasts]

what would you call Embrace then? I would say there are Emocore/Post-Hardcore

[BuddyBigsby]

Except that you have no idea what you're talking about, you're blindly quoting your hero.

[stateofalert]

what would you call Embrace then? I would say there are Emocore/Post-Hardcore


not sure honestly. just another one of Mackaye's long list of bands. pretty good one too.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Don't psh us.

[victimofreality]

I'm going to buy CBK when it comes out, or until there's a pre order deal thru victory. I just bought the Death Before Dishonor pre-order tonight. It's $8 and includes a free poster. That's a **** good deal for a cd you are going to be receiving several weeks early.
I am pretty sure you can preorder it from victory.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

WOOOO THE NEW COMEBACK KID ALBUM RULES!!!

[victimofreality]

It comes out on the 22nd right?

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

All I know is it rules, and I will pick up a copy in March.

[CONNER_NWHC]

It is really really good.

[victimofreality]

Eh, I'm going to have to order one of the internet, which means my mom is going to act like I buy too many things.

[El_Shiznit]

Yeah, I just checked and it is the 22nd.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

FALSE IDOLS FALL AWAY!

[victimofreality]

Does the rest of the album live up to Wake The Dead?

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

Yes. When I heard the samples I didn't think it would, but it does.

[victimofreality]

Sweet

[REINER]

Time for With Honor.

[stateofalert]

Don't psh us.


**** you.

[stateofalert]

Except that you have no idea what you're talking about, you're blindly quoting your hero.

**** you too.

[El_Shiznit]

Haha, you make me laugh.

Anyways, I got a couple tracks off the new CBK last night, because the download was going insanely slow for me to get them all. It is indeed very good from the three tracks I've heard. I picked random songs, but my favorite of the three has to be the song entitled "Final Goodbye". It is excellent. Can't wait for this album.

[chips88]

Ive been listening to Bridge to Colace, Comeback Kid, and The Warriors lately, and needless to say, I'm starting to really like this hXc stuff :rolleyes:

[stateofalert]

also Embrace was one of Mackaye's band which he didn't want to be labeled in too much depth.....thus he thought labeling it "emocore" which made absolutely no sense to him was ****ing ignorant. which well...it was. genres I think are made way too far into depth. When I ask a friend of mine what a band sounds like that I havn't heard and they say "metalcore" or something, I get pissed....'cause I'd rather have someone compare them with a band. know what I mean? so before you go off and say stupid things, "blindly qouting your hero" for instance, think about what I said."just another one of Mackaye's bands" which was progressively getting more musically complex. Then after the Teen Idles, Minor Threat, and Embrace, (maybe another one or two that he was in for like a week?) he reached Fugazi. Which was well....butter in comparison to Minor Threat. get it?

[BuddyBigsby]

"Wow, thanks for the info. I really care!"

- Absolutely nobody in this thread

[CONNER_NWHC]

The song Off My chest has one of the best stomps ever.

[young, loud and andrew]

Someone is sending me the Guns Up! EP right now. I have been fiending on such good hardcore over the past few weeks. Have Heart, Verse, etc. have been owning me so badly.

"This so-called **** is what I live for, it's why I'm alive."
-Have Heart

What a good line.

[judjud]

hoods is hardcore not metalcore
i know mikey hood would kick your *** if you said that hoods was metalcore

[shane italian]

hoods is hardcore not metalcore
i know mikey hood would kick your *** if you said that hoods was metalcoreNah, too much metal for the most part, at least on Pray For Death.

[shane italian]

Today's purchase:

City of Caterpillar - ST

[CONNER_NWHC]

Shane how much where they selling the Go It Alone CD for?

[shane italian]

Like 6 bucks.

[CONNER_NWHC]

I guess that seems right they sell it for 8 at shows up here.

[judjud]

speaking of go it alone

http://www.westcoastworldwide.com/videos/rival/goitalone.wmv

from the rivalry records showcase this weekend