Hardcore Community Thread

[CONNER_NWHC]

Did you go to Outbreak noneed?
Im going tommorow. Should be good.

[CONNER_NWHC]

You've gone to 3 shows in the past 7 days?
Yeah one on thursday then friday and saturday. This is a really good month for shows. November was really slow.

[NewKindofArmy03]

I could go to a lot of shows this month, but i'm not the biggest fan of all the shows. Maybe i'll end up going to one, if one is on a weekend.

[CONNER_NWHC]

I go to alot because the venue's are within a half hour bus ride.

[NewKindofArmy03]

I just checked, Bury Your Dead is playing here on the 18th. I don't know much of their stuff, recommend me some songs.

[CONNER_NWHC]

I havent herd to much but i liked the song Tuesday Night Fever.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Bury Your Dead Show Tonight:

Burn What Binds: AWESOME San Antonio hardcore band. Shane and J know what's up.

This Is The Sun: The only thing close to hardcore my small town of Boerne has seen. It was their last show, and they ended on a great show.

Either The Acacia Strain, Scars of Tomorrow, or a Perfect Murder suck really bad. Possibly even all three.

I didn't stay for BYD or 2 out of the of those bands. ^

[CONNER_NWHC]

Sounds really cool.

[capri sun junkie]

Rad rawk. I get to go to a local pop-punk show on Saturday... :(
Its the only show that has been remotely near me, and its forty five minutes away. And I'm dying to go to any show.

Anyways, I heard parts of the Hoods/Freya split. It sounds pretty good, and Karl does a lot more of the singing on Freya, or so it sounds... So less of the whiny voice, which is pretty nice.

[CONNER_NWHC]

Im guessing not to many people are into punk in south dakota.

[capri sun junkie]

Haha, the truth... I suppose in a couple of cities, there is something going on. Like I'm 80 miles from a city that has had some pretty good bands play this year... Ed Gein, Martyr AD, and some others I can't remember. There are quite a few good local bands there as well. Nodes Of Ranvier actually came out of this city, (Sioux Falls) but I don't really like them.

[CONNER_NWHC]

It must be boring there that far from a city.

[capri sun junkie]

It is... If I had a more reasonable car, it wouldn't be so bad.

The show I'm going to has a band that needs new lead vocals, and they want someone who can scream. They might have me do it, but I'm going to see if I can change their taste's a little.

[Sep]

Refer to page 1, but here's a quick definition...

Hardcore= Faster, harder punk, often with screamed vocals (Give Up The Ghost, Scraps And Heart Attacks (http://www.purevolume.com/scrapsandheartattacks), The Procedure (http://www.purevolume.com/theprocedure), Comeback Kid (http://www.purevolume.com/comebackkid))

Metalcore= Hardcore fused with metal. A lot of bands are starting to lean towards metal and it is hard to here the hardcore in them. (Walls Of Jericho (http://www.purevolume.com/wallsofjericho), early Poison The Well, early Avenged Sevenfold)

Grindcore= Eh, I'd rather not take this one because I'm not sure of which bands are true grind but, I believe bands like Napalm Death, Agoraphobic Nosebleed and Cattle Decapitation are considered "true" grind. Then you have the newer wave of grind which is a bit hard to classify. Bands like The Locust, Daughters and The Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravangza are not true grind, but definitely have some grind in them. Grind is getting pretty varied also. You can go from the hardcore grind sounds The Locust to the almost Death Metal growls of The Red Chord.

Discerning Metal from Metalcore= As I said, metalcore is a fusion of metal and hardcore. But most of the mainstream/fashioncore metalcore bands of today (Atreyu, Bleeding Through, Eighteen Visions) are starting to lose the hardcore in them. When listening to Bleeding Through or Norma Jean, it's hard to pick out the hardcore, essentially making them a metal band. I think Buddy puts it best when he does his metalcore reviews, labeling them "Metalcore/Melodic Metal." Though it might sound strange to call Atreyu Metal (especially to metal fans), Metal is the genre they are closest to. Many extreme metal fans shun this because, in my opinion, metal has become a duel of which bands are the darkest, fastest and heaviest, leaving no room for Atreyu. So metalcore has become a little storage place for bands that fall somewhere between hardcore and metal, even though most of them are in reality "metal" bands. In Walls Of Jericho's music, you can hear both metal and hardcore, making them a true metalcore band. Compare Distance Makes The Hear Grow Fonder Poison The Well with You Come Before You Poison The Well. You Come Before You is truly a metal album, while Distance Makes... is pretty much true metalcore. But the point is, melodic metal bands that are "not hard enough" to be placed in the metal genre are being thrown into metalcore. Just as the definition of screamo has morphed, the definition of metalcore is also.

Thanks man. :)

[capri sun junkie]

I think I consider Cattle Decapitation death metal still...

[sten]

hmm, that's really interesting to read about but im not sure i could tell the difference myself. on the whole subject of genres in general i know a lot of people get annoyed with the fact that they are grouping things together into categories etc. but i find it really interesting(i know i just said that!) to read about it and what people's interpretations of different genres are, so yeh thanks for posting that whoever did!

[sten]

um this is really unintelligent of me and i apologise in advance for my lack of musical knowledge but what exactly is a 'breakdown' can someone explain to me in layman's terms?!

[cbmartinez]

Hardcore Breakdown= A part of the song that is palm-muted and is good for dancing. It may feel a little heavier, slower, angrier than the rest of the song.

http://bridge9.com/bridgenine/sound/carry-on_a-life-less-plagued.mp3 (Listen towards the end, when the riff gets palm-muted.)

Metalcore Breakdown= Essentially the same thing, but metalcore breakdowns often get associated with the word chug. Metalcore breakdowns usually consist of open power chords played in a certain rhthym, known as chugging.

http://www.purevolume.com/underminded (Listen to the song 'It's Kinda' Like A Bodybag." The part where the singer screams "Who needs a bodybag," there is a breakdown playing in the background.)

[sten]

Hardcore Breakdown= A part of the song that is palm-muted and is good for dancing. It may feel a little heavier, slower, angrier than the rest of the song.

http://bridge9.com/bridgenine/sound/carry-on_a-life-less-plagued.mp3 (Listen towards the end, when the riff gets palm-muted.)

Metalcore Breakdown= Essentially the same thing, but metalcore breakdowns often get associated with the word chug. Metalcore breakdowns usually consist of open power chords played in a certain rhthym, known as chugging.

http://www.purevolume.com/underminded (Listen to the song 'It's Kinda' Like A Bodybag." The part where the singer screams "Who needs a bodybag," there is a breakdown playing in the background.)

oooh *is enlightened* i see now! yeh u described it really well. thanks for that :)

[cbmartinez]

I found a band with former Evergreen Terrace members.

My Hostage (http://www.purevolume.com/myhostage)

They're okay.

[tornpictures]

Hardcore Breakdown= A part of the song that is palm-muted and is good for dancing. It may feel a little heavier, slower, angrier than the rest of the song.

http://bridge9.com/bridgenine/sound/carry-on_a-life-less-plagued.mp3 (Listen towards the end, when the riff gets palm-muted.)


I really enjoyed Carry On live.
Last show was pretty siqqqqq.

[REINER]

So aparently Propagandhi have a song "Firestorm, My ***". Once I find it, it better be the funniest song I've ever heard.

[capri sun junkie]

Its not. Its the song Nailing Descartes To The Wall... off of Less Talk, More Rock with a different title and a couple of changed lyrics. Its on Where Quality Is Job #1

[REINER]

Ahh ok, My friend said that was the title of the song.

[capri sun junkie]

It is the title of the song...

[REINER]

I think they may be different songs, cause I just found the one I'm looking for "Firestorm, My As" I'll compare them to see if they're different.

[capri sun junkie]

Same music, a little different lyrics. Although now that I think about it... It might be Less Talk, More Rock I am talking about... I don't know, but its one of those songs...

[REINER]

Yeah it is, Damn my friend got my hopes up. Would have been funny if it was all about Earth Crisis.

[tornpictures]

Reversal of Man ripped off the Firestorm riff, can't remember the song title, though.

BroXmosh kids threatened to beat them up if they played it anywhere near Gainesville.

[cbmartinez]

I don't care what anyone says, I really like Suicide Notes And Butterfly Kisses.

[REINER]

It all sounds the same, I can only listen to that album for like 10 minutes tops. I really regreat buying it, but it was a choice between that or the Bigwig CD I had lost (Which I later found)

[cbmartinez]

I think it starts off strong, but slowly loses momentum.

[capri sun junkie]

I think it was good, but I just overplayed it... So I don't really like it that much anymore.

There is a couple good songs. At Least I Know I'm A Sinner...

[cbmartinez]

Yeah, I'm listening to it now for the first time in a while. I think "At Least I Know I'm A Sinner" is one of the weakest ones.

/me reps you anyway

[capri sun junkie]

:(

I'm a weak person.

:)

[BridgeToSolace]

For the sake of getting off the topic of Atreyu, anyone else into Freya?

I just got As The Last Light Drains, and besides a little bit of awkward singing at some points, it's sweet.

[capri sun junkie]

For the sake of getting off the topic of Atreyu, anyone else into Freya?

I just got As The Last Light Drains, and besides a little bit of awkward singing at some points, it's sweet.

I've had that for a while. I like them quite a bit. On the new split with Hoods, it sounds like Karl does most of the singing.

[BridgeToSolace]

I've had that for a while. I like them quite a bit. On the new split with Hoods, it sounds like Karl does most of the singing.
Aye, it's from '03. I'm a little behind on my hardcore, considering I just got into it a month or two ago after hearing Bridge To Solace.

I saw a review for that split, but I'm not big on Hoods, so I decided to get War Is Hell instead. It's freaking amazing.

[capri sun junkie]

I saw a review for that split, but I'm not big on Hoods, so I decided to get War Is Hell instead. It's freaking amazing.

/Still hasn't checked that out yet... :(

[CONNER_NWHC]

Outbreak tonight w00t!

[capri sun junkie]

Oh snap! SD scene is spreading around in the east!

December 15, $4, 7PM
Brookings at the Old Sanctuary

Seven Left Standing (http://www.purevolume.com/sevenleftstanding)
After The Sun (http://www.purevolume.com/afterthesun)
Awake Without (http://www.purevolume.com/awakewithout)
Gadtrat (http://www.purevolume.com/gadtrat)
CSNVTT

Finally! A show less than an hour away from me! :)
I don't know about you guys, but even if some of the bands aren't that good, I'm pretty happy that there are at least bands and shows around my area.

[REINER]

Where Eagles Dare "To Come From Nowhere" is ana wesome CD. Download it, I have it on soulseek.

[CONNER_NWHC]

Man it sucks in the hours before a show its so boring.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Man, what time does it start?

[CONNER_NWHC]

Doors are at 7:00 im leaving at 6:45.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Oh, I didn't know our time zones were that far apart.

EDIT-nevermind, i didn't know you lived in vancouver.

[CONNER_NWHC]

yeah im Pacfic, you must be eastern? three hours ahead?

[NewKindofArmy03]

Yeah.

[REINER]

http://www.theprocedure.com/oneway/XOneWayX%20-%20Generic%20Hardcore%20Song.mpg

XOneWayX - Generic Hardcore Song The Video
From the first time they played this song when I went to see them, sadly I am not to be seen in this video. If they put up the 2nd video you can probably see me.

[capri sun junkie]

Thank you kind sir. <3

[CONNER_NWHC]

Thats a cool vid, you where there?

[REINER]

Yeah.

[CONNER_NWHC]

You should have been throwing it down.

[NewKindofArmy03]

http://www.theprocedure.com/oneway/XOneWayX%20-%20Generic%20Hardcore%20Song.mpg

XOneWayX - Generic Hardcore Song The Video
From the first time they played this song when I went to see them, sadly I am not to be seen in this video. If they put up the 2nd video you can probably see me.
I love this song.

[REINER]

Haha, I did later on in the set. I usually just watch the first song of a bands set. They opened and closed with that song so it's all good. More fun the 2nd time anyway.

[BuddyBigsby]

Where Eagles Dare "To Come From Nowhere" is ana wesome CD. Download it, I have it on soulseek.

I bought that for like 3 bucks. Great stuff, reminds me a little of SAS.

[REINER]

So good, wish I got it earlier.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

http://www.nbc4i.com/news/3983630/detail.html

[BuddyBigsby]

Tomorrow I'm blasting Pantera non-stop.

[CONNER_NWHC]

Just got back from outbreak but there was a catch, they got stuck in hope(2 hours from vancouver) with a broken transmission so they didnt show. This really pissed me off. But they had a back up plan we got to see Go It Alone play in there place because they were there watching. The Answer played really well, it wasnt a total bust. http://www.xtheanswerx.com/

[Feel The Darkness]

Tomorrow I'm blasting Pantera non-stop.
yea, im gonna be wearing my Pantera shirt til the seams dissolve...he will be missed :upset:

[cbmartinez]

Hey Reinman, are you going to Casey Jones and Kids Like Us at Hamilton St.?

[40 oz 2 freedom]

*is listening to Cowboys From Hell*

:'(

I will admit, listening to the radio last night and then listening to "Walk" made me teary-eyed.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Strike anywhere is going to tour with The Unseen, The Loved Ones, and a little bit with None more black in February. It's an east coast tour too.

[REINER]

Hey Reinman, are you going to Casey Jones and Kids Like Us at Hamilton St.?Yeah.

[capri sun junkie]

Which Hellfest DVD(s) should I get?

[NewKindofArmy03]

Get the Bad Luck 13 dvd. I still didn't get it, I want to see it so bad. I'll get it sometime right after Christmas.

[REINER]

I need to borrow it form my friend.

'03's was lame from what I saw of it and readint he back cover. So get an earlier one, I don't know the lineup's off hand.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Is the font different for everyone? Or just me?

[REINER]

It's just you.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

It looks really small.

[capri sun junkie]

What browser are you using? Go to view; text size.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Whew, thanks. Sorry about that.

[capri sun junkie]

No problemo.

[cbmartinez]

Yeah.

Sweet, I think I'm going to go. I'm probably gonna' get my A7X T-Shirt sporting *** kicked.

[REINER]

Haha, awesome.

Umm I'll post here what I'm wearing so you know who I am.

Yo, help me figure Strip Mall Hudini, I have the first like minute and half done.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/thomattack/forwardtodeth.jpg

[Happymeal]

I decided that Luce is a flawed and lacking album, but it's still one heckuva debut. The Secret have a lot of potential. Can't wait for the next album.

*rubs hands*

[capri sun junkie]

Get the Bad Luck 13 dvd. I still didn't get it, I want to see it so bad. I'll get it sometime right after Christmas.

Haha, yeah, I've considered it... But I think I have a few more up on my list of DVD's on my list. And I hardly ever get to watch any DVD's anyways on a count of laziness.

I need to borrow it form my friend.

'03's was lame from what I saw of it and readint he back cover. So get an earlier one, I don't know the lineup's off hand.

I don't know, there are a few let down's... But there are some that make up for it.

[NewKindofArmy03]

I plan on getting the new Against Me! dvd too, I wish that KD one would ever come out.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

Get the Sink With Calfornia fest DVD
http://www.nauticaltech.com/~josh/quatro/index2.html

[CONNER_NWHC]

Im so digging xOne Wayx awsome band.

[REINER]

Best band ever. More importantly listen to The Procedure, same band as One Way, but different vocalist and I think Drummer. Also they're a serious band and extremely talented. The help me finish tabbing one of their songs.

[CONNER_NWHC]

What Procedure songs should i download off you?

[NewKindofArmy03]

I didn't really like The Procedure. I love XOne WayX though, I want to see them live.

[shane italian]

There was an article in the Irvine World News on this local show in a community center with a few hardcore/metalcore bands. Hahah, a couple of quotes were "The fans seemed to enjoy the music despite the primal screams...", "Fans angrily stomped and danced to the furious music...", and a few things were said about how it was "dangerous" and stuff like that. I'm suprised they didn't mention the stage dive my bro Mike did, knocking over a ton of yuppies hoes.

[CONNER_NWHC]

haha thats funny

[REINER]

The Procedure rule, it took me a few listens to like but they're the best band ever now.

Strip Mall Houdini
Forcing the Pin Back into the Grenade
Two Words

[CONNER_NWHC]

Are they from NJ?

[shane italian]

http://www.ocregister.com/community/irvine_world_news/features/bands/slide8.jpg

Sweet picture from the show. My bro Stevie is the guy in the 100 Demons hoodie.

[CONNER_NWHC]

I see so many people wear 100 demons shirts, is the band worth checking out?

[REINER]

Are they from NJ?Yeah.

I never bothed to listen to them, I probably should but just so lazy.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

I don't really like 100 Demons from what I've heard. I've only heard one song though.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Listen to "Forsaken", "Time Bomb", or "Dying In My Own Arms". I love me some 100 Demons.

[capri sun junkie]

Whhhhhhat Converge cd should I get?

[shane italian]

Jane Doe.

[capri sun junkie]

Yeah, thats what I was going to get, but smartpunk doesn't have it...

All smartpunk has is; Caring & Killing, Unloved And Weeded Out, You Fail Me.

Which one do any of youz recommend?

(I'm going to get You Fail Me another time, so don't recommend it.)

[shane italian]

Unloved & Weeded Out.

[capri sun junkie]

Kthx manz.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Unloved & Weeded Out.

Good call.

You probably wouldn't like Caring and Killing. It's still awesome though.

[capri sun junkie]

Good call.

You probably wouldn't like Caring and Killing. It's still awesome though.

I wouldn't? Why not?

[Gotkookie]

haha cool Unbanned!

[Gotkookie]

If you could find Jane doe, get that cd. Like my Jane doe avatar :naughty:

[SubtleDagger]

Read the thread, tool.

[albert_bass]

What's Sick of it all's Outtakes for the outcast supposed to be? I had some songs off of it long time before it was released. It's some kind of B-sides comp or what? (sorry if I sound stupid :upset: )

[cbmartinez]

I wouldn't? Why not?

Because it's drastically different from Jane Doe Converge. It's a great album, but just different.

Yo, help me figure Strip Mall Hudini, I have the first like minute and half done.

I play bass. :(

I jam on my guitar alot though, so I'll see what I can do. Procedure basslines are hard to tab. I can do the bass fill in "Two Words" though.

[REINER]

Two Words is one of my favorite songs, I can only play the chorus though.

[cbmartinez]

I got just two words for you! Fashion Whore!

The instruments are all played very well, the bass and drums especially. The lyrics are pretty well written for a hardcore band also.

[REINER]

Every member of this band is amazing at what they do. I think the reason they broke up is because they couldn't find a drummer good enough to fill in.

[CONNER_NWHC]

I cant stop listening to Generic hardcore song. So good.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Recommend me bands that sound like XOne WayX, Count me Out, and Another Breath. I find myself listening to these bands a lot lately.

[cbmartinez]

I assume you saw Sk8Ska mention that The Procedure (http://www.purevolume.com/theprocedure) is the same members as xOneWayx?

[NewKindofArmy03]

Yeah, but I don't really like that band for some reason.

[REINER]

In My Eyes
Where Eagles Dare
Traitor
Suicide File
xWitnessx

It takes a few listens to get used to, there aren't many bands that are that techincal being a hardcore band. Actually the only other I can think of is Shai Hulud.

[shane italian]

Fastbreak
Wear The Mark

[NewKindofArmy03]

Ok, thanks. I'll try to check to get some songs by those bands tonight.

[REINER]

Checkout this band, awesome hardcore/melodic-ish. Sounds like Silent Majority, the Survivors, Stay Gold, and Crime in Stereo. They're from Richmond.

http://www.xdowntonothingx.com/permanent/permanent%20-%2001%20-%20square%20one.mp3
http://www.xdowntonothingx.com/permanent/permanent%20-%2002%20-%20devils%20and%20bad%20luck.mp3
http://www.xdowntonothingx.com/permanent/permanent%20-%2005%20-%20days%20late.mp3

[shane italian]

Down to Nothing own. Good work Reiner.

[CONNER_NWHC]

Recommend me bands that sound like XOne WayX, Count me Out, and Another Breath. I find myself listening to these bands a lot lately.
Another Breath are awsome i just bought the cd.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Does anybody here like Shark Attack? I think I saw the mentioned once, but that's it. I'm pretty sure most of you would like them a lot.

[REINER]

I listened to them on a sampler I got at Hellfest, can't remember what they sound like or I even like them.

[NewKindofArmy03]

They broke up in 2000, and only have like 15 minutes of recorded music, not including the live stuff. Download some stuff if you can find it. I have 2 songs by them on soulseek if you want them.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Down to Nothing own. Good work Reiner.

Agreed.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

Down to Nothing own. Good work Reiner.
Those aren't Down To Nothing MP3s fool.

[shane italian]

I saw the site name and passed it on. Fool!

[PUNK181]

hey im knew here anybody know any good punk/screamo bands

[capri sun junkie]

Sure, go here; http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226512&page=1

Just don't post something like that... Read through it.


ALSO look in the Recommendations Thread to find some bands in the genre(s).

[PUNK181]

anyone here like rancid,NOFX,thrice or the used

[PUNK181]

ok sry im sorta knew 2 forums

[REINER]

This thread is used for discussion of Hardcore/Metalcore/Similar Genre bands.

[BridgeToSolace]

anyone here like rancid,NOFX,thrice or the used

If you like Thrice, check out Underminded (http://www.purevolume.com/underminded)

[punkforlife]

**Decided to bring this into the Punk Forum. If it turns into a spam/agrument thread then close it as soon as possible. It's meant for education and actual discussion.


This is for those of you who throw around the the phrase hardcore far too often.

Metalcore is often mistaken for Hardcore on these boards. Here's the difference.

Hardcore is punk influenced music that sometimes has a heavier sound and sometime's doesn't. It sometimes have breakdowns and some don't, this depends more on the age of the band. Some are straight edge, some aren't. But most have honest sincere lyrics about issues that they themselves face.

Metalcore is obviously metal influenced and because they're of this there is more complexity in the writings of guitar, more noted riffs added to it than hardcore has.. Some say that it has punk influences...but that depends on what band you are talking about. Metalcore has a lot of breakdowns, most of which have the "JUN JUN JUN" sound which some double bass. Metalcore was a lot better a couple years ago before more and more band's started learning that you can tune into drop-C, use only thin picks, and get a drummer who knows his double bass.

Hardcore bands:
Blood For Blood, Chain Of Strength, American Nightmare, Death Threat, Judge, Gorilla Biscuits, 7 Seconds, Champion, Count Me Out, Carry On, Terror

Metalcore bands:
Hatebreed, 100 Demons, Bury Your Dead, Black My Heart, On Broken Wings, Hoods, North Side Kings, Walls Of Jericho, Clenched Fist

MORE BY SK8SKANJ

Grindcore in its purest form consisted of short, apocalyptic blasts of noise played on standard heavy metal instrumentation (distorted guitar, bass, drums). Although grindcore wasn't just randomly improvised, it certainly didn't follow conventional structure, either; while riffs could sometimes be picked out, pure grindcore never featured verses, choruses, or even melodies. Grindcore vocals sounded torturous, ranging from high-pitched shrieks to low, throat-shredding growls and barks; although the lyrics were usually quite verbose, they were very rarely intelligible. Some bands in this catagory can also be known as Mathcore. Meaning they're more complex in the musical writings.

Grindcore bands:
Napalm Death, Dillinger Escape Plan, Death, Carcass, The Locust, The Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza, **** and Ball Torture, Pig Destroyer, Agoraphobic Nosebleed...

Emo style has become broader over the years. In the beginning, these bands consisted mostly of people who played in hardcore punk bands, got burned out its limited forms, and moved to a guitar-oriented, midtempo rock-based sound with emotional punk vocals (i.e., no posed soulful crooning like pop music). The central aspect here is the guitars - distorted, strummed mostly in duo unison, with occasional catchy riff highlights. This becomes known as the classic "D.C. sound," along with the octave chords that show up in later "emo" music. Later bands bring in more pop elements, like catchy-riff based songs, pop song structures (listen to Jawbreaker's "Chesterfield King" to illustrate this), and less-punk, more-smoothly-sung high-register singing (less yelling, straining, throatiness). Listen to Elliot or Chamberlain for an example of how alternative-pop this music has become. Yet those bands are undeniably still emocore. Also note most emo bands play Gibson Les Paul guitars, with a few SGs, and use mostly Marshall JCM-800 amps...Emo has recently evolved into something more complex since the D.C. era. Bands have adopted to more obscure lyrics along with intricate riffs and interesting vocals.

Emo bands:
Rites of Spring, Embrace, Gray Matter, Ignition, Dag Nasty, Monsula, Fugazi kind of, Fuel, Samiam, Jawbreaker, Hot Water Music, Elliot, Friction, Soulside, early Lifetime, Split Lip/Chamberlain, Kerosene 454

Post-Hardcore
In the early-to-mid '80s, several bands in the United States came to life that were inspired by the do-it-yourself ethics and the cathartic, guitar-heavy material characterized by the hardcore punk bands that predated them. These newer bands, termed post-hardcore, often found complex and dynamic ways of blowing off steam that generally went outside the strict hardcore realm of "loud fast rules." These bands often used more than three chords and they also creatively built and released tension rather than airing their dirty laundry in short, sharp, frenetic bursts. Additionally, many of these bands' vocalists were just as likely to deliver their lyrics with a whispered croon as they were a maniacal yelp. Along with Hüsker Dü, Naked Raygun was one of the first U.S. post-punk bands of the early '80s that merged melodic influences with punk/hardcore. These were the first two bands (Husker and Naked Raygun) in 1981. With other bands in the Chicago scene such as the Effigies, Breaking Circus and Man Sized Action followed by later bands such as Fugazi, Quicksand, Dag Nasty and Mission Of Burma. Another important influence on many of these bands was U.K. post-punk from the late '70s and early '80s; Gang of Four, Public Image Limited, Joy Division, and Wire played a significant role in many of the bands' musical growth.


How about you idiots stop trying to put everything in a nice neat little box, and just listen to music. You pigeon hole everything. Its funny how this dudes definition of hardcore barely touches on the original hardcore bands. Do you really think the punks of the 70s and the hardcore kids in the 80s sat around deabating which genre to pigeon hole every band into? Are you kidding me? Anyone who talked like that would have gotten their *** kicked. The kids these days sit around debating how to classify every single band but back in the day no one cared about that. Are there any other punks in here in their mid 30s or so that agress with this that was actually around in the early 80s?

[CONNER_NWHC]

Well thats what we do here talk about music and specific genres. F'uck off fag.

[NewKindofArmy03]

F'uck off fag.
^^^

[punkforlife]

Well thats what we do here talk about music and specific genres. F'uck off fag.

Um...theres a difference between talking about music and pigeon holing everything you ignoramous. Being a moron you missed my point. First off I was stating the dude who made the original post left out the original hardcore bands out og his description of hardcore which I found odd, second this whole pigeon holing (emo, metalcore, street punk, d-beat, screamo) kind of crap never happened back then. No one sat around talking like that. Its retarded. What dont you get.

[cbmartinez]

Face it, you need genre classification to make music work. Hardcore has evolved since the eighties and everyone acknowledges the orginal hardcore bands. But the fact is, hardcore has changed and in the process created various subgenres.

[capri sun junkie]

Um...theres a difference between talking about music and pigeon holing everything you ignoramous.

Theres a difference between stating an opinion and being an asshole. You picked the less mature one. And to think, you say you are thirty?

[punkforlife]

Theres a difference between stating an opinion and being an asshole. You picked the less mature one. And to think, you say you are thirty?

Actually I am 36. I stated a fact. No one used to sit around talking like that. It is the new breed that does that sh'it.

[cbmartinez]

I think Glassjaw broke up officially. Their site is gone and the header at the top says RIP GlassjAw.

[AIRIC]

Um...theres a difference between talking about music and pigeon holing everything you ignoramous. Being a moron you missed my point. First off I was stating the dude who made the original post left out the original hardcore bands out og his description of hardcore which I found odd, second this whole pigeon holing (emo, metalcore, street punk, d-beat, screamo) kind of crap never happened back then. No one sat around talking like that. Its retarded. What dont you get.


The reason kids in the early hardcore kids in the 80's didn't talk about:

Street Punk: Started with the Exploited in the UK, early hardcore started in the US, they probably didn't know about it.

Emo: Evolved from early hardcore, thus couldn't have even existed then.

Metalcore: Probably weren't any metalcore bands back then.

Screamo: No screamo back then.

D-Beat: Not a real genre?

f'uck off :rolleyes:

[CONNER_NWHC]

http://www.trustkill.com/multimedia/videos/terror_overcome.html

New Terror Music Video.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

http://www.trustkill.com/multimedia/videos/terror_overcome.html

New Terror Music Video.
That's a pretty sweet video. Good song too.

[shane italian]

That's the video shoot I missed out on because I didn't have a ride to LA. Walls Of Jericho was there too.

[punkforlife]

The reason kids in the early hardcore kids in the 80's didn't talk about:

Street Punk: Started with the Exploited in the UK, early hardcore started in the US, they probably didn't know about it.

Emo: Evolved from early hardcore, thus couldn't have even existed then.

Metalcore: Probably weren't any metalcore bands back then.

Screamo: No screamo back then.

D-Beat: Not a real genre?

f'uck off :rolleyes:

You are a complete moron. The point I was making is that punks and hardcore kids in the early days didnt try to pigeon hole bands into tiny little safe compartments like they do today. I highly doubt you were around then. I was using examples of the genres you people pigeon hole bands into today - AS EXAMPLES. I understand these safe little compartments did not exist then. Instead you had different genres. In the early 80s you had the straight edge movement start popping up. The hardcore kids didnt sit around discussing which bands were and were not straight edge. The same kids who were going to see Black Flag sing about siz packs of beer were going to Minor Threat shows. In New York you had the experimental punk bands who were part of the NO-WAVE movement such as Teenage Jesus and The Jerks and The Contortions. The kids who were listening to them also were listening to bands like The Plugz and The Weirdos. There were plenty of sub genres then. They just had different names, and a different sound then the ones today. No one gave a **** then about this stuff. i wouldnt expect you to understand if YOU WERE NOT THERE.

[shane italian]

This bro must have just seen "pigeon hole" on TV and is going hogwild with it.

[shane italian]

Oh and, I touched on both newer and older hardcore bands FYI. Don't be such a little douche. It's the internet, I thought a 36 year old man would be able to get that...but I guess not.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

:lol:

[SPLATTER PUNX]

You are a complete moron. The point I was making is that punks and hardcore kids in the early days didnt try to pigeon hole bands into tiny little safe compartments like they do today. I highly doubt you were around then. I was using examples of the genres you people pigeon hole bands into today - AS EXAMPLES. I understand these safe little compartments did not exist then. Instead you had different genres. In the early 80s you had the straight edge movement start popping up. The hardcore kids didnt sit around discussing which bands were and were not straight edge. The same kids who were going to see Black Flag sing about siz packs of beer were going to Minor Threat shows. In New York you had the experimental punk bands who were part of the NO-WAVE movement such as Teenage Jesus and The Jerks and The Contortions. The kids who were listening to them also were listening to bands like The Plugz and The Weirdos. There were plenty of sub genres then. They just had different names, and a different sound then the ones today. No one gave a **** then about this stuff. i wouldnt expect you to understand if YOU WERE NOT THERE.

I hear ya man - you are 100% correct. I am 38 myself and have been going to shows since 1980. These kids dont know a thing, and back in the day the younger punks respected older punks. These days the kids think they know it all, and half of them will be gone in a couple years so screw them. Punks back then didnt care about what genre a band was labeled. If these kids cant understand that then they are morons and scew them.

[CONNER_NWHC]

That's the video shoot I missed out on because I didn't have a ride to LA. Walls Of Jericho was there too.
Was it an open call for anyone to go?

[40 oz 2 freedom]

I'd bet money that SPLATTER PUNX and punk for life are the same person.

[punkforlife]

Oh and, I touched on both newer and older hardcore bands FYI. Don't be such a little douche. It's the internet, I thought a 36 year old man would be able to get that...but I guess not.

...UM heres the bands you put:
Blood For Blood, Chain Of Strength, American Nightmare, Death Threat, Judge, Gorilla Biscuits, 7 Seconds, Champion, Count Me Out, Carry On, Terror


Now out of that list, I see only one (7 seconds) first wave 80s hardcore band. Now you tell me who else out of that list was playing prior to 1984 and was playing hardcore.

[shane italian]

Was it an open call for anyone to go?Yep, it was free.

[SPLATTER PUNX]

I'd bet money that SPLATTER PUNX and punk for life are the same person.

What are you talking about. Never met the guy. I was around then and so was he. I know what he is talking about.

[shane italian]

...UM heres the bands you put:
Blood For Blood, Chain Of Strength, American Nightmare, Death Threat, Judge, Gorilla Biscuits, 7 Seconds, Champion, Count Me Out, Carry On, Terror


Now out of that list, I see only one (7 seconds) first wave 80s hardcore band. Now you tell me who else out of that list was playing prior to 1984 and was playing hardcore.Judge and Gorilla biscuits helped build the hardcore scene...

Chain of Strength helped bring back the old school sound.
B4B were there when Boston was back on the map.

[CONNER_NWHC]

...UM heres the bands you put:
Blood For Blood, Chain Of Strength, American Nightmare, Death Threat, Judge, Gorilla Biscuits, 7 Seconds, Champion, Count Me Out, Carry On, Terror


Now out of that list, I see only one (7 seconds) first wave 80s hardcore band. Now you tell me who else out of that list was playing prior to 1984 and was playing hardcore.
Gorilla Biscuits was also mentioned

[SPLATTER PUNX]

Judge and Gorilla biscuits helped build the hardcore scene...

Chain of Strength helped bring back the old school sound.
B4B were there when Boston was back on the map.

If you consider Chain of Strength of Gorilla Biscuits a first wave hardcore band (meaning one of the pioneers of hardcore from the early pre 84 era) you are insane. Check your history. I remember when Gorilla Biscuits started playing around with Youth Of Today, No For An Answer, etc. they were not a band until 1987 or so. You really need to learn your history dude.

[CONNER_NWHC]

Im pretty sure he knows more about the history of hardcore than you...

[shane italian]

If you consider Chain of Strength of Gorilla Biscuits a first wave hardcore band (meaning one of the pioneers of hardcore from the early pre 84 era) you are insane. Check your history. I remember when Gorilla Biscuits started playing around with Youth Of Today, No For An Answer, etc. they were not a band until 1987 or so. You really need to learn your history dude.I didn't say Chain of Strength helped start the scene. But GB and Judge both revolutionized hardcore and helped build the actual scene we have today. Black Flag and 7 Seconds just started playing a new form of punk.

And GB and Judge are around 88...4 years isn't a huge span of time man.

[chips88]

If you consider Chain of Strength of Gorilla Biscuits a first wave hardcore band (meaning one of the pioneers of hardcore from the early pre 84 era) you are insane. Check your history. I remember when Gorilla Biscuits started playing around with Youth Of Today, No For An Answer, etc. they were not a band until 1987 or so. You really need to learn your history dude.

why are you guys arguing about this crap? that shane posted like years ago? at the beginning of the thread!!!! yay, you guys were there when it started, you know everything about the history of hardcore and everything about the bands and we are all stupid little kids. hooray for you

[SPLATTER PUNX]

Im pretty sure he knows more about the history of hardcore than you...

I dont think so dude. If you knew what you were talking about - pioneers of hardcore would be bands like Bad Brains who were playing hardcore music in 1979 - 1980 or a band like Middle Class who released probably the first true hadcore record ever made. I do not think you can consider 1987 or 1988 the beginnings of hardcore music.

[CONNER_NWHC]

Hardcore music was reborn with the likes of GB. As Shane has been telling you.

[SPLATTER PUNX]

Hardcore music was reborn with the likes of GB. As Shane has been telling you.

The original argument by PunkForLife was that the guy did NOT post any classic (meaning pre 84) hardcore bands in his description - other than 7 seconds. Then the guy was trying to say that Gorilla Biscuits and Judge were pioneers of hardcore which is NOT the case. Did they help REVIVE the movement in the late 80s - YES. And I am aware of this. The two statements have nothing to do with each other.

[shane italian]

The original argument by PunkForLife was that the guy did NOT post any classic (meaning pre 84) hardcore bands in his description - other than 7 seconds. Then the guy was trying to say that Gorilla Biscuits and Judge were pioneers of hardcore which is NOT the case. Did they help REVIVE the movement in the late 80s - YES. And I am aware of this. The two statements have nothing to do with each other.There wasn't an actual hardcore movement before 87-88. Bad Brains and 7 Seconds were just punk bands to the kids. And I never said GB were pioneers of hardcore...but they did start/open the scene up.

[obese_breasts]

Judge and Gorilla biscuits helped build the hardcore scene...

Chain of Strength helped bring back the old school sound.
B4B were there when Boston was back on the map.

No where in there did he say Judge and GB pioneered hardcore.

[SPLATTER PUNX]

There wasn't an actual hardcore movement before 87-88. Bad Brains and 7 Seconds were just punk bands to the kids. And I never said GB were pioneers of hardcore...but they did start/open the scene up.

WHAT?????Are you smoking crack? There was no hardcore movement in the early 80s????Oh my god... You dont think SSD, Minor Threat, Jerrys Kids, Poison Idea, Wasted Youth were hardcore bands???? Are you an imbecile? What about Negative Approach - were they not a hardcore band?????

[obese_breasts]

WHAT?????Are you smoking crack? There was no hardcore movement in the early 80s????Oh my god... You dont think SSD, Minor Threat, Jerrys Kids, Poison Idea, Wasted Youth were hardcore bands???? Are you an imbecile? What about Negative Approach - were they not a hardcore band?????

He didn't say there were no hardcore bands in the early 80's, he said that there wasn't the kind of hardcore movement in the early 80's as there was in the late 80's

[REINER]

Early 80's hardcore was so much different than late 80's.

[shane italian]

WHAT?????Are you smoking crack? There was no hardcore movement in the early 80s????Oh my god... You dont think SSD, Minor Threat, Jerrys Kids, Poison Idea, Wasted Youth were hardcore bands???? Are you an imbecile? What about Negative Approach - were they not a hardcore band?????Take some English Comprehension class...you need it.

Kids in the early 80s didn't exactly go around saying "Hey, I'm going to a rad hardcore show tonight" when they talked about Minor Threat. Just as people didn't refer to Moss Icon as an emo band when they were starting up.

[CONNER_NWHC]

Early 80's was more punkish.

[SPLATTER PUNX]

He didn't say there were no hardcore bands in the early 80's, he said that there wasn't the kind of hardcore movement in the early 80's as there was in the late 80's


The hardcore movement was huge in the early 80s dude, and far more real. Ask anyone who was a part of it, and read the book "American Hardcore", and look at old issues of Maximum Rock N Roll, and you tell me that there was not the kind of hardcore movement in the early 80s. Were kids dressing like jocks then and doing karate on the dance floor - no. The shows were a hell of a lot more chaotic tho, and there was a massive - completely massive hardcore scene. You really sound like an ignorant little kid to say there was no no important hardcore movement in the 80s. Id like to see what bands like Gorilla Biscuits and Judge would say if you told them there was no real hardcore scene before them.

[SPLATTER PUNX]

Take some English Comprehension class...you need it.

Kids in the early 80s didn't exactly go around saying "Hey, I'm going to a rad hardcore show tonight" when they talked about Minor Threat. Just as people didn't refer to Moss Icon as an emo band when they were starting up.

I was there - you were not. YES people referred to it as a hardcore scene. Why do you think compilations such as "HARDCORE 84" and DOA's "HARDCORE 81" lps were reffering to the term as "HARDCORE".

[shane italian]

They would say "Thanks bro!" and give me a free t-shirt.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

WHAT?????Are you smoking crack? There was no hardcore movement in the early 80s????Oh my god... You dont think SSD, Minor Threat, Jerrys Kids, Poison Idea, Wasted Youth were hardcore bands???? Are you an imbecile? What about Negative Approach - were they not a hardcore band?????
Yes, but to the people who listened to them and went to their shows, they were just punk bands. Bands like Judge and Gorilla Biscuits and Youth of Today started an actualy hardcore scene, which was not the same as the crowd that would be at shows of bands that you mentioned.

[obese_breasts]

The hardcore movement was huge in the early 80s dude, and far more real. Ask anyone who was a part of it, and read the book "American Hardcore", and look at old issues of Maximum Rock N Roll, and you tell me that there was not the kind of hardcore movement in the early 80s. Were kids dressing like jocks then and doing karate on the dance floor - no. The shows were a hell of a lot more chaotic tho, and there was a massive - completely massive hardcore scene. You really sound like an ignorant little kid to say there was no no important hardcore movement in the 80s. Id like to see what bands like Gorilla Biscuits and Judge would say if you told them there was no real hardcore scene before them.

Again, learn how to understand what you read. I NEVER said there was NO hardcore scene in the early 80's. I said that the late 80's scene was DIFFERENT from the scene in the early 80's.

[SPLATTER PUNX]

Yes, but to the people who listened to them and went to their shows, they were just punk bands. Bands like Judge and Gorilla Biscuits and Youth of Today started an actualy hardcore scene, which was not the same as the crowd that would be at shows of bands that you mentioned.

I was there dude. You have no idea what you are talking about even to the slightest degree. If you were referring to the jockish , karate kicking, champion sweatshirt wearing types who started coming around in the late 80s then you are correct. Those kids wouldnt hold a candle up to the nutcases that were at shows in the early 80s.

[shane italian]

I was there dude. You have no idea what you are talking about even to the slightest degree. If you were referring to the jockish , karate kicking, champion sweatshirt wearing types who started coming around in the late 80s then you are correct. Those kids wouldnt hold a candle up to the nutcases that were at shows in the early 80s.Yeah bro, cause we know how much of pansies FSU are...you know, the guys who started wearing normal clothes to shows and dancing.

[SPLATTER PUNX]

Yeah bro, cause we know how much of pansies FSU are...you know, the guys who started wearing normal clothes to shows and dancing.

The FSU guys were scary guys. Almost like a gang. There were lots of these "gangs" and a lot more of them prior to them in Boston and New York in particular BEFORE them. Watch some old videos of Negative Approach or Cro Mags shows from prior to 84 to see what Im talking about. Or in California you had the Suicidal "gangs" who followed around Suicidal Tendencies who were some of the scariest dudes you could possibly meet.

[REINER]

FSU show tomorrow and odds are I can't go.

[shane italian]

The FSU guys were scary guys. Almost like a gang. There were lots of these "gangs" and a lot more of them prior to them in Boston and New York in particular BEFORE them. Watch some old videos of Negative Approach or Cro Mags shows from prior to 84 to see what Im talking about.Whatevs bro. You're cool in my book. We disagree, and you're most likely right. But I'm sticking to my story.

[SPLATTER PUNX]

Whatevs bro. You're cool in my book. We disagree, and you're most likely right. But I'm sticking to my story.

Its just an interesting discussion is all that I see it as. Nothing wrong with a good debate once in a while. Keeps me young, and I am actually really happy to see this site and see how many people dig punk and hardcore today. Youre a good guy.

[REINER]

Your also cool because your name is a RoboCop referance (or a coincidence).

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

I didn't really like Terror too much before, but I've been listening to some of the new stuff and it's a lot better than I thought.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

'bout time.

Monday. Sick Of It All. Terror. Hatebreed. Full Blown Chaos. No Warning. ****ing. Awesome.

[REINER]

Terror rules, I wish like half the band didn't leave. The new album still rules. The new bassist sang when I saw them since Soctt had hurt his neck.

[obese_breasts]

what do Outbreak sound like and how good are they?

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Extremely good.

[shane italian]

Terror rules, I wish like half the band didn't leave. The new album still rules. The new bassist sang when I saw them since Soctt had hurt his neck.The guy from First Blood?

[REINER]

Yeah, I don't know any of the First Blood guys' names.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

The guy from First Blood?

No Shane, the other new bassist.

[REINER]

Hahaha

FACED!

[NewKindofArmy03]

If anybody cares, Full Blown Chaos are guests on Headbangers Ball tonight.

[REINER]

What channel? I check MTV2 and Fuse, neither looked like Headbangers Ball.

[NewKindofArmy03]

mtv2, its starting in like a minute

[NewKindofArmy03]

No Shane, the other new bassist.
Hahaha, that made me laugh.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

**** it's not on Canadian MTV2.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

No Shane, the other new bassist.
I'd rep you if I could. :lol:

[REINER]

mtv2, its starting in like a minute
Right now it's a bunch of people yelling about someone call another one a bitch. And there is some dumb chick just sitting there talking for no reason.

Wait, that show just ened.

Now it's something on Dimebag, Jamie Jasta is talking on the phone about him.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Ok, well tell me when the first good video is. I don't have a tv in this room.

[REINER]

Hah, k.

[REINER]

They just did a short segment on the shooting and now showing a Pantera video, so far no FBC.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Yeah, tell me when FBC comes on too. I need a TV in here, this sucks and i'm playing someone in a game and dont want to forfeit but i'm about to.

[shane italian]

I have a TV in my room with MTV2. I rule.

[REINER]

You should split your cable line from your modem and just get a small TV, that's what I have.

[Silvermedalmafia]

You should split your cable line from your modem and just get a small TV, that's what I have.
thats smart.

[REINER]

Heh, free cable tv.

[Silvermedalmafia]

Cable doesn't come to my house, its too far into the boonies.

[REINER]

That sucks, Satalite or nothing?

[Silvermedalmafia]

or about 4 channels. CBC, Ch, global, ctv, Channel m, and thats it.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

thats smart.

AND illegal, mind you.

[Silvermedalmafia]

Whos gonna notice? the same feds going after 12 year old kids for downloading music?

[NewKindofArmy03]

I think the FBC episode has been delayed and this whole episode is a tribute to Dimebag.

[REINER]

Yeah, I stopped watching it.

[Silvermedalmafia]

whats FBC?

[AARON27]

Did you know? Splatter Punx was there.

[shane italian]

Full Blown Chaos.

[cbmartinez]

I think Glassjaw broke up officially. Their site is gone and the header at the top says RIP GlassjAw.

Can anyone confirm this?

[REINER]

Yeah, we're pretty sure they broke up. I made a thread on band breakups.

[cbmartinez]

Yeah, I just confirmed it. Listen to this ****. GlassjAw dropped out of the Dec. 26th show with Thursday and of course guess who's filling in? Converge. My friend has had fun rubbing this in my face for the last 15 minutes.

[NewKindofArmy03]

The FBC thing came on at 11 and then cut off half way through the show, it sucked.

[REINER]

Yeah, I just confirmed it. Listen to this ****. GlassjAw dropped out of the Dec. 26th show with Thursday and of course guess who's filling in? Converge. My friend has had fun rubbing this in my face for the last 15 minutes.I know, I'm so pissed I'm not going. I wonder whose filling in for Beloved on monday. My sister wants me to drive her friends to Monday's show, but I really don't want to bother going. Unless Converge plays then too.

Bleh, hopefully they'll show FBC later like next week.

[BuddyBigsby]

Monday: Internal Affairs / Outbreak / With or Without You / A18 / The Risk Taken

and I get to see The Locust next month. Should be interesting.

[CONNER_NWHC]

Outbreak never showed in vancouver.

[cbmartinez]

Monday: Internal Affairs / Outbreak / With or Without You / A18 / The Risk Taken

and I get to see The Locust next month. Should be interesting.

Nice stars.

I don't like A18 that much, but I've only heard one or two songs. The Risk Taken is cool, they remind me of Distance Makes... PTW.

[shane italian]

A18 rule. And they are from Anaheim. Good job A18 in making OC look somewhat good.

[NewKindofArmy03]

D'amn, With Honor are so good, I don't see why so many people don't like them.

[shane italian]

Me either. I love them but my friends seem to think otherwise...but keep in mind they are mostly tuff guys.

[NewKindofArmy03]

My friend hates them. I think the only song he heard though was Bridges and Gaps, and he didn't like the singing, but he won't listen to anymore of their stuff.

[shane italian]

If you like With Honor you should check out Burn What Binds. www.myspace.com/burnwhatbinds

[REINER]

My friend hates them. I think the only song he heard though was Bridges and Gaps, and he didn't like the singing, but he won't listen to anymore of their stuff.Smack him, With Honor rule.

[NewKindofArmy03]

If you like With Honor you should check out Burn What Binds. www.myspace.com/burnwhatbinds
This band is pretty good.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

If you like With Honor you should check out Burn What Binds. www.myspace.com/burnwhatbinds
They sound pretty good.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

http://www.jawsoflife.decaysystem.com/

Awesome hardcore band from Montreal. Listen to them or I smack you.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Guess who is friends with Burn What Binds?

[cbmartinez]

Do you guys like Negative Approach?

[pedro durruti]

Again: Does anyone have a Powerhouse album on soulseek? Tell me if you do! ihateceIebrities

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Everyone check out my Converge band profile.

[BridgeToSolace]

http://sceneitall.net/viewnews.php?action=fullnews&id=518

:(

[40 oz 2 freedom]

That sucks. I like Beloved.

[Feel The Darkness]

If you like With Honor you should check out Burn What Binds. www.myspace.com/burnwhatbinds
and if ye like Burn What Binds, you should check out Take Your Shot, Laredo Posi-Hardcore represent...haha, good band, im good friends with all the guys in the band...they're doing a Winter Texas Tour with Burn What Binds :thumb:
check em out: http://www.takeyourshot.homestead.com/

[NewKindofArmy03]

xonewayx is selling a dvd of that whole show. It's only the cost of a blank dvd plus shipping.

[REINER]

Yeah, Bill also has the dvd of their set from the Halloween show in '03. It was a cover show and they covered Bad Religion. I want it, I might get around to getting it from him if I'm not to lazy to mail the money. I might ask him if he can just send it to me online since he isn't making anymoney so it's not a loss.

[NewKindofArmy03]

http://www.stereokiller.com/boards/topic.cfm?topic_id=74380&forum_id=24&Topic_Title=xone%20wayx&forum_title=Hardcore%2FMetalcore&M=0&s=1
4 comments, all negative.

[REINER]

Those people are retarded.

1. They do not understand the point of the band
2. The music rules, it's just like any other hardcore band

[CONNER_NWHC]

There kinda a joke right?

[NewKindofArmy03]

Yeah, Bill also has the dvd of their set from the Halloween show in '03. It was a cover show and they covered Bad Religion. I want it, I might get around to getting it from him if I'm not to lazy to mail the money. I might ask him if he can just send it to me online since he isn't making anymoney so it's not a loss.
How much is that? I'm going to get a bunch of DVDs with xmas money, i'll send the money for both of theirs too.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

The Miles Between Us reunion OWNED.

[REINER]

Umm, I payed like 8 bucks for The Procedure last show DVD, which was 2 DVDs + shipipng.

So I would assume 8 bucks-ish. Don't know if shipping would change though, if it does it's an extra dollar at most.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

I still don't like With Honor. Sorry guys. :wave:

[CONNER_NWHC]

Im starting to like them more.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

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