Hardcore Community Thread

[DFelon204409]

I just don't like Converge that much. That's all. I don't think they're very good at all. Any songs I should have this instant that should sway my opinion.

[BuddyBigsby]

"Jane Doe"
"The Saddest Day"
"Distance and Meaning"
"Hell to Pay"

You really have to hear the album Jane Doe as a whole if you want to truly appreciate them... but give those songs a try.

[johnny_blaze]

Read the lyrics of Converge too
It is beautiful

[in jet eyes]

Jane Doe is an awesome song. I have never been into them, but I really like that song.

[johnny_blaze]

Converge is one of the best band out there.
listen to the ablum from the begaing it is a crazy/emo/grind/techical ride

[johnny_blaze]

oh by the way the begaining of this forum kick *** it accurately describe the differnt kinds of hardcore/emo there is

[REINER]

Converge are Gods. I'm seeing them at Hellfest then twice in october w/ BTBAM. I'm so psyched!

Also I'm currently in line to download their new album "You Fail Me"

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Hey Sk8Ska, do you think you could hook me up once you got it?

[Luxor]

I say you download the album, then host it on a website so we can all have a listen.;)

[REINER]

Hahah If someone has the webspace I'll do it. Otherwise you'll have to get Soulseek and get it off me. I'm like 50 inline so it might take awhile. I'll post here once it's all done.

[Gotkookie]

i wish i still had my site up and running so i could host you :(

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Hurry Up! I'm gettin' antsy!

[REINER]

You might have to wait awhile, it still has yet to start :(

[NewKindofArmy03]

is there any chance the new rise against got leaked also?

[REINER]

Possible. I don't think the CD was leaked, just someone was able to get a copy from them early.

EDIT: The first 4 songs are done!!!!!! It should be done in a matter of minutes. Hope on SS if you want it.

[obese_breasts]

i just got the sampler its only 2 songs but its good stuff, its up on soulseek

[REINER]

After skimming the intro I don't think it has been mastered yet.

[Gotkookie]

whats your name on SS sk8skanj

[REINER]

Sk8SkaNJ

[NewKindofArmy03]

this is pissing me off, why do all my downloads have to take so long?

[Gotkookie]

what room are you in?

[obese_breasts]

Mx Punk

[REINER]

what room are you in?
Mx Punk, what's your name? I only let people on my list download (aka people from MX)
this is pissing me off, why do all my downloads have to take so long?
Do you have dial-up?

[NewKindofArmy03]

no, cable, so it should be faster.

[REINER]

That is very odd then. Unless your like in Mongolia. Wait, you live like an hour from me right? That is messed up.

[NewKindofArmy03]

i know, im gonna see if this is on winmx but i doubt it. winmx sucks for music that isn't mainstream

[REINER]

I doubt it's anywhere. I got it off this kid from my other board (www.thenjscene.com) and laot of those people are somehow connect to bands and stuff so they get stuff early.

[DFelon204409]

I doubt it's anywhere. I got it off this kid from my other board (www.thenjscene.com) and laot of those people are somehow connect to bands and stuff so they get stuff early.

Do you like Trophy Scars? I love them and I finally got to see them play live. They apparently throw down hard at the NJ shows because they're from Morristown.

[BuddyBigsby]

I'd share my You Fail Me but it's on a different computer.

[DFelon204409]

I just got Soulseek. Somebody help me or add me or something. I'll figure out how to join groups on my own but it'll take a while.

[obese_breasts]

go to the rooms window right click, create room and type Mx Punk, caps do count

[DFelon204409]

Thanks friend.

[obese_breasts]

:thumb: no problem

[DFelon204409]

Also, as a suggestion to all modern hardcore fans, check out Botch. I often forget how awesome they are only to rediscover the genius. They are so delightfully technical and fun.

[BuddyBigsby]

Yes, Botch good. Also check out Coalesce, young hardcorians.

Moving on though... read this. This shows how big of an idiot Bleeding Through's singer is. And he considers himself edge. What a joke: http://www.burningangel.com/archives/interviews/bleeding_through.php

[cbmartinez]

Can someone clarify what edge and straight edge is or whatever your talking about?

[willsy666]

???

[syrUsbilt]

Can someone clarify what edge and straight edge is or whatever your talking about?

straight edge aka edge aka sXe is when you

dont drink
dont smoke cigarettes
dont do drugs
dont have promiscuous sex (meaning irrisponsible sex with multiple partners)

edit: and it has NOTHING to do with veganism.

[NewKindofArmy03]

so the converge download failed on me last night. what was everyone's opinion for those whose didnt fail? i read a review (http://www.pahardcore.com/boards/topic.cfm?topic_id=30116&forum_id=2&Topic_Title=Converge%20%2D%20%27You%20Fail%20Me%27&forum_title=General%20Crabbery&M=0&s=1) and supposedly its a dissapointment and most people in there agreed. i want the downloads to start working again.

[LeftHandPathBass]

I agree with your definations...but the bands seem mixed up except for the bands you put in the grindcore catagory....it seems to me that all the bands in hardcore are to soft to be in that catagory, same with tmetalcore, those bands should be in hardcore...expesialy Atreyu, there a good exaple of a band screamo band. I do completly agree with your definanitions though, nice.

Btw, dont bitch me out cause im a newb, just baecause i havent posted yet doesn't mean i dont know my music.

[BuddyBigsby]

so the converge download failed on me last night. what was everyone's opinion for those whose didnt fail? i read a review (http://www.pahardcore.com/boards/topic.cfm?topic_id=30116&forum_id=2&Topic_Title=Converge%20%2D%20%27You%20Fail%20Me%27&forum_title=General%20Crabbery&M=0&s=1) and supposedly its a dissapointment and most people in there agreed. i want the downloads to start working again.

There's an mp3 of a new song in that review if you look towards the bottom. It has the yell/talk type vocals I was talking about. Yeah... a lot of people seem to hate the album. I still like it though.

[BuddyBigsby]

I agree with your definations...but the bands seem mixed up except for the bands you put in the grindcore catagory....it seems to me that all the bands in hardcore are to soft to be in that catagory, same with tmetalcore, those bands should be in hardcore...expesialy Atreyu, there a good exaple of a band screamo band. I do completly agree with your definanitions though, nice.

Btw, dont bitch me out cause im a newb, just baecause i havent posted yet doesn't mean i dont know my music.

Nope, the fact that you think Atreyu are screamo shows you don't know your music. Not your post count.

PS. Before you start arguing with me because you think you know something, look up a thread called "REAL Screamo" in the Pop-Punk forum. Happy trails! :thumb: I'm not trying to be a dick, by the way. Seriously though, read it.

[Gotkookie]

yeah I listened to the new converge cd

They kind of changed their sound

It was alright, i didn't love it, but i didn't hate it...

I cant believe there was an acoustic song on a converge cd, although it is a pretty good song, its pretty repetitive, i give this cd a 7/10 because you know its CONVERGE!!!

[Gotkookie]

hey buddybigsby got any suggestions for some screamo bands

I really like ctts a lot

[BuddyBigsby]

hey buddybigsby got any suggestions for some screamo bands

I really like ctts a lot

Saetia (Get "One Dying Wish" and "An Open Letter", if possible)
Cowboys Become Folk Heroes
Kite Flying Society (I recommend "This Picture Was my Heart", but it's all good)
Jerome's Dream

[Gotkookie]

yeah i like saetia, already listened to that one before, k ill check those out

[LeftHandPathBass]

[QUOTE=BuddyBigsby]Nope, the fact that you think Atreyu are screamo shows you don't know your music. Not your post count.
[QUOTE]

Well i dunno, i also thought Atryu was screamo, i'll read the post though, who else would you consider screamo? i think a good example would be poison the well, tell me if im wrong.

[LeftHandPathBass]

Saetia (Get "One Dying Wish" and "An Open Letter", if possible)
Cowboys Become Folk Heroes
Kite Flying Society (I recommend "This Picture Was my Heart", but it's all good)
Jerome's Dream

Once again, haha, arent cowboys become folk heros a little more grindcore than they would be screamo?

[BuddyBigsby]

No, Poison the Well are not screamo.

See, here's the deal. When Poison the Well, From Autumn to Ashes, Atreyu, A Static Lullaby, Alexisonfire, Silverstein, and all those kind of bands started getting popular a couple of years ago, the mainstream took notice and for some reason or another started calling it screamo, when in fact screamo is a completely different genre characterized by music that is a bit on the chaotic side but is just teeming with emotion. Check out "An Open Letter" by Saetia or "In The Nervous Light of Sunday" by Circle Takes the Square for a perfect example of what screamo really is.

Or, if you don't have a file sharing program, just download a couple of these songs: www.hxcmp3.com/circle_takes_the_square

[BuddyBigsby]

Once again, haha, arent cowboys become folk heros a little more grindcore than they would be screamo?

Well, some screamo is very grind influenced, like Cowboys..., Pg. 99, and Circle Takes the Square. What separates it from grind though is that the music has much more depth, the guitarwork is more on the artsy side, and most importantly: the atmosphere of pure emotion that it gives off.

[LeftHandPathBass]

yea, ive heard a circle takes a square, and i really like them and also consider them screamo, what the hell would u call poison the well?

[BuddyBigsby]

Poison the Well's first two full-lengths = Emocore

You Come Before You = Very experimental. I'm honestly not sure how to label it. It mixes metal and emocore with a radiohead-esque vibe. I don't think you can slap any one label on it.

[LeftHandPathBass]

yea, i do agree that you come before you was very experimental and exotic, i loved it, but the opposite of december was straight up 24/7 screaming (which i love) and thats probably the reason it lead people like me to call it screamo...thanks a lot man, im set straight now, i wasnt sure about this stuff, im more of a death head, black metal guy myself, thats what i play at least, but this helps

[DFelon204409]

hey buddybigsby got any suggestions for some screamo bands

I really like ctts a lot

Buddy will just say pageninetynine and Kaospilot but I'll say Hot Cross and Love Like...Electrocution.

[BuddyBigsby]

Buddy will just say pageninetynine and Kaospilot but I'll say Hot Cross and Love Like...Electrocution.

HEY

I didn't say Pg. 99 OR Kaospilot, thank you very much. And I've recommended LLE multiple times in the past.

[Gotkookie]

No, Poison the Well are not screamo.

See, here's the deal. When Poison the Well, From Autumn to Ashes, Atreyu, A Static Lullaby, Alexisonfire, Silverstein, and all those kind of bands started getting popular a couple of years ago, the mainstream took notice and for some reason or another started calling it screamo, when in fact screamo is a completely different genre characterized by music that is a bit on the chaotic side but is just teeming with emotion. Check out "An Open Letter" by Saetia or "In The Nervous Light of Sunday" by Circle Takes the Square for a perfect example of what screamo really is.

Or, if you don't have a file sharing program, just download a couple of these songs: www.hxcmp3.com/circle_takes_the_square
what are they called then? nu-screamo, or perhaps pop-screamo? haha

[DFelon204409]

HEY

I didn't say Pg. 99 OR Kaospilot, thank you very much. And I've recommended LLE multiple times in the past.

I know I was just commenting on the variety of emo. It's not like the very is so tight you can't fit a lot of preferences in. You prefer pageninetynine to my preference of Hot Cross and stuff. Ya know? We groove in different ways.

[cbmartinez]

Hmmmm, I thought Poison the Well would be considered metalcore?

[Superpeer.is.a.faggot]

SUPER PEER IS A FAGGOT. He told Sting-ray to ban me coz i put a naughty pic in a thread. FVCK YOU SUPERPEER

[skateMASTERbater2]

no one ****ing cares

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Werd.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

I'm seeing Horse the Band tonight.

[REINER]

Awesome, who else are they playing with?

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Just a bunch of locals.

[REINER]

Awesome

[pedro durruti]

All you hardcore fans should download Knowledge - Against the Rest

[NewKindofArmy03]

check out this band Bars. http://www.thebarsrock.com/
the members in were previous bands such as give up the ghost, throwdown, death by stereo, suicide file, and the red chord. they just signed to equal vision, they're pretty good.

[Gotkookie]

check out this band Bars. http://www.thebarsrock.com/
the members in were previous bands such as give up the ghost, throwdown, death by stereo, suicide file, and the red chord. they just signed to equal vision, they're pretty good.
yeah they are good

[40 oz 2 freedom]

I saw HORSE the band last night, they were awesome. One of the most fun shows I've ever seen.

[Gotkookie]

I saw HORSE the band last night, they were awesome. One of the most fun show's I've ever seen.
did they play cuntsman for you guys?

[REINER]

Better question, did they play Bunnies?

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Yes, and yes. Cutsman is overrated, they have much better songs, IMO.

[Gotkookie]

Better question, did they play Bunnies?
nooooo, they ask the crowd if they want them to play another song, and if they say yeah they play cuntsman, instead of cutsman and instead of saying cut they say cunt, they really do this, its funny

[NewKindofArmy03]

they're playing here september 6th. i'll go see them if i can.

[DFelon204409]

Fan of Throwdown, Hope Conspiracy, The Red Chord, and Give Up the Ghost check this out http://www.punknews.org/article.php?sid=9650&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 . Exciting no? I think the songs are okay but others will probably dig them more.

*EDIT* I just read a new kind of army's post. www.punknews.org is neat, no?

[TulipsAreBetter]

this thread is lame, and dillinger is far from grind.

[ACSMAT]

this thread is lame, and dillinger is far from grind.
buahaha

i disagree

[DFelon204409]

this thread is lame, and dillinger is far from grind.

You're lame murderer. If you diagree with people's labellings of Dillinger then how about you suggest an alternate one that is better.

[cbmartinez]

Eh, Dillinger is like grindcore/hardcore I'd say.

By the way, I thought Poison the Well is metalcore? And also, would The Locust partially fall under "Nintendocore" because they use keys?

[DFelon204409]

And also, would The Locust partially fall under "Nintendocore" because they use keys?

No way. Just because a band uses synth doesn't make them nintendocore. Nintendocore requires full awareness inn every song that the music you're making is ridiculous and it has to pay homage to Nintendo at all times. Horse the Band does that. That band Joshmay showed me does. The Locust does not. Those kids are just weird.

[cbmartinez]

Oh. Oops. What about poison the well, are they metalcore?

I also listened to this pretty cool band called Canderia, anyone heard of them?

[syrUsbilt]

I've heard of them, I saw them on Audiogalaxy.com back when it used to work. I didn't like them though.

[DFelon204409]

Oh. Oops. What about poison the well, are they metalcore?

I also listened to this pretty cool band called Canderia, anyone heard of them?

Sure. I don't like Poison the Well. The song "Nerdy" is the only one I can tolerate and that's metalcore.

[NewKindofArmy03]

*EDIT* I just read a new kind of army's post. www.punknews.org is neat, no?
yeah, i go there everyday. and that band is awesome, i've listened to the songs nonstop. i'll buy their full-length when it comes out

[NewKindofArmy03]

and i would say dillinger is very fast techinical metalcore with heavy grind influences. they're a band where it's hard to slap a single label on them. i haven't heard much of them though.

[DFelon204409]

and i would say dillinger is very fast techinical metalcore with heavy grind influences. they're a band where it's hard to slap a single label on them. i haven't heard much of them though.

This is a good label.

[Schecter889]

What genre is Avenged Sevenfold?

[syrUsbilt]

What genre is Avenged Sevenfold?

bad metal.

[antixxx]

ok first off, F*** hxc, its just P**SY brotherhood S**T. ok second, no straightedge bs. metalcore is for the gods. look at unearth, and look at hatebreed. oh yeah, hatebreed is hxc, thats for the dumbass that thinks they are metal. youd probably get your @SS beat if you said that over here. but yea, napalm death=death metal, not grindcore. grindcore is more like norma jean and glass casket. i think i have the strongest point of where to stand. especially saying that hardcore uses drop-d and c power chords WAY too F***ing much. which makes the music more simplistic, and more horrid.

antixxx = A-SxE = ASxE

[antixxx]

No way. Just because a band uses synth doesn't make them nintendocore. Nintendocore requires full awareness inn every song that the music you're making is ridiculous and it has to pay homage to Nintendo at all times. Horse the Band does that. That band Joshmay showed me does. The Locust does not. Those kids are just weird.

well, just look at underoath, the old S**T. not the new B*LLS**T, technical mxc with that synth twist, as also shown in bleeding through, not too tech tho.

ASXE(antixxx[A-SxE])

[REINER]

Umm Hardcore bands generally use Standard or Drop D tunning. It's more metalcore bands that use Drop-C tunnings. Dropped tunnings really don't make music any easier or any harder. It all depends on who wrote it. Hell, Just King (accoustic guitarist) wrote a song in drop d (I believe) but you would never be able to play it.

Napalm Death practicaly started Grindcore. Assuming you didn't read the deffinetions we put up you should because they're correct. If you don't believe us go to http://www.allmusic.com and look it up yourself.

Norma Jean are metalcore.

[Schecter889]

The chords in dropped D are usually easier but in hardcore the solos will own most other bands' solos any day.

[REINER]

Hardcore doesn't really use solos. They use breakdowns.

[Gotkookie]

ok first off, F*** hxc, its just P**SY brotherhood S**T. ok second, no straightedge bs. metalcore is for the gods. look at unearth, and look at hatebreed. oh yeah, hatebreed is hxc, thats for the dumbass that thinks they are metal. youd probably get your @SS beat if you said that over here. but yea, napalm death=death metal, not grindcore. grindcore is more like norma jean and glass casket. i think i have the strongest point of where to stand. especially saying that hardcore uses drop-d and c power chords WAY too F***ing much. which makes the music more simplistic, and more horrid.

antixxx = A-SxE = ASxE
HAHAHAHA, YOU ****ING NOOB, NORMA JEAN GRINDCORE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA,

[Gotkookie]

well, just look at underoath, the old S**T. not the new B*LLS**T, technical mxc with that synth twist, as also shown in bleeding through, not too tech tho.

ASXE(antixxx[A-SxE])
they were never technical, and im pretty sure you never heard their first 2 eps, only the 3rd cd, they didn't really use synths in the first too...

[Gotkookie]

ok first off, F*** hxc, its just P**SY brotherhood S**T. ok second, no straightedge bs. metalcore is for the gods. look at unearth, and look at hatebreed. oh yeah, hatebreed is hxc, thats for the dumbass that thinks they are metal. youd probably get your @SS beat if you said that over here. but yea, napalm death=death metal, not grindcore. grindcore is more like norma jean and glass casket. i think i have the strongest point of where to stand. especially saying that hardcore uses drop-d and c power chords WAY too F***ing much. which makes the music more simplistic, and more horrid.

antixxx = A-SxE = ASxE
i wanna rip on you again, hardcore never used drop tunings, some of the new stuff might, most of it is just down a step. Grindcore, haha norma jean, AHAHHAHAHAHA, you never heard real grindcore, norma jean = ****ty metalcore

[DFelon204409]

well, just look at underoath, the old S**T. not the new B*LLS**T, technical mxc with that synth twist, as also shown in bleeding through, not too tech tho.

ASXE(antixxx[A-SxE])

Nintendocore is in fact an invented genre. In fact, all genres are invented. Just because it happened recently, doesn't mean it's a load of crap.

[TulipsAreBetter]

it's cool because we can classify everything, right?

[Death_Grind]

hi i was wondering what you'd consider Amen I always thought of them as sort of Punk but they definately have some Hardcore influences and since their appearence on Headbangers Ball i'm kinda wondering what's up?

[Death_Grind]

Not to jump on the band wagon of ripping on Antixxx or whatever his or her name is, but the whole Drop D and Drop C makes hardcore sound horrid thing is crap. I mean hardcore is meant to be fast so the drop D and Drop C tunings were bound to come in i mean one finger power chords make it even quicker. But listening to hardcore is really not where the fun is. The fun is in playing it or going to live shows and going nuts while listening to it. It's really not a sit at home and listen to music.

[NewKindofArmy03]

is the band ed gein any good? they're playing at this place a couple minutes from me so i might go, but i never heard them.

[REINER]

They're a grindcore band. If you can sit through there set it might be worth to check them out. They're playing Hellfest, so I'll probably watch them there.

[NewKindofArmy03]

they're playing with PsyOpus and i checked them out and they're really good, so i'll go anyway. do they have a website? i can't find it.

[REINER]

Yeah I tried looking for a website awhile back, I don't think they have one.

[NewKindofArmy03]

nevermind, i found one. http://www.ed-gein.com

[REINER]

Hahahah, I feel like an idiot now.

[shane italian]

It used to be a cjb.net domain. I can't believe Champion/Comeback Kid sold out in Anaheim. Ticket reservations are for the handicapped.

[REINER]

Just fake downsyndrom.

You all moved in now?

[shane italian]

Dude, I'm just gonna say I'm black, everyone feels sorry for those guys.

We move into our house on thursday, my dad's work is paying for the internet too. So I should be back here 24/7 next week.

[REINER]

HAhahah

Awesome!

[NewKindofArmy03]

i might go to that show here. i hope it doesn't sell out, but i have time since it's not for another 10 days or so.

[shane italian]

I bet what happened out here was a ton of dumb girls bought ticket like 2 months in advance then forgot about to go.

[DFelon204409]

Sk8Ska nice avatar, but someone else already had it.

[REINER]

That bastard!

I have a different Family Guy avatar I want to use, but the file size is to big.

[NewKindofArmy03]

that sucks because if u got the kool-aid guy, you would have the best avatar on this site.

[BuddyBigsby]

It used to be a cjb.net domain. I can't believe Champion/Comeback Kid sold out in Anaheim. Ticket reservations are for the handicapped.

I know! I missed it too. You can at least catch Champion on the SOIA (I know how much you love them)/Terror/Time in Malta show in Pomona on August 6th, but that's the same night as Evergreen Terrace/The Red Chord/A Life Once Lost/Fear Before the March of Flames.

[DFelon204409]

I know! I missed it too. You can at least catch Champion on the SOIA (I know how much you love them)/Terror/Time in Malta show in Pomona on August 6th, but that's the same night as Evergreen Terrace/The Red Chord/A Life Once Lost/Fear Before the March of Flames.

LA has so many good shows. A lot of bands skip San Francisco for some reason. Time in Malta plays a lot of local show though but when I saw them they sort of sucked.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

I just realized that BuddyBigsby's name is from a Zao song. Cool.

[DFelon204409]

I hate Zao. What is the context for his name.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

I hate Zao. What is the context for his name.

I like Zao :) . There is a Zao song called "The Ballad of Buddy Bigsby"

[syrUsbilt]

ugh Zao is terrible IMO.

[axeslinga_32]

Zao is one of my favourite bands, sooo so awesome.

[axeslinga_32]

That bastard!

I have a different Family Guy avatar I want to use, but the file size is to big.

bummer. I really wanna have the pointing monkey from chris's closet, but i dunno how or where i would get it.

[BuddyBigsby]

I just realized that BuddyBigsby's name is from a Zao song. Cool.

I'm found out!

[shane italian]

I know! I missed it too. You can at least catch Champion on the SOIA (I know how much you love them)/Terror/Time in Malta show in Pomona on August 6th, but that's the same night as Evergreen Terrace/The Red Chord/A Life Once Lost/Fear Before the March of Flames.Snap, I'll be at the show for sure. Is Pomona the Glass House?

[djeepee]

in witch category will you put rise against

[NewKindofArmy03]

melodic hardcore in my opinion.

[DFelon204409]

in witch category will you put rise against

New Rise Against is just melodic punk. Old Rise Against had a splash of hardcore punk in there.

[shane italian]

That's gotta be the 10th person that's asked about Rise Against

[burton.and.gas]

with reference to screamo. arent loads of bands screamo that also fall into other catergories?

[DFelon204409]

Best band ever = DRACULACORE

http://www.hxcmp3.com/bands/12660/

[syrUsbilt]

Dfelon this is so bizarre.

[cbmartinez]

I found a band on hxcmp3 that was pretty fun, Whistlecore.

[DFelon204409]

I found a band on hxcmp3 that was pretty fun, Whistlecore.

Ya, we have that link in our profile. Also, check out the Tony Danza Tap Dance Experience and Duck Hunt.

[DFelon204409]

Dfelon this is so bizarre.

Thanks!!

[dislocated214]

You forgot Minor Threat!!!!!11


for hardcore

[pedro durruti]

What about skacore

[BuddyBigsby]

Snap, I'll be at the show for sure. Is Pomona the Glass House?

Yes, Pomona is the Glasshouse.

[BuddyBigsby]

What about skacore

Actually, I don't think that has anything to do with hardcore. I think it's ska and punk or something, but that's not really my area of expertise so forgive my ignorance. I assume you're referring to Folly, though?

[Gotkookie]

Actually, I don't think that has anything to do with hardcore. I think it's ska and punk or something, but that's not really my area of expertise so forgive my ignorance. I assume you're referring to Folly, though?
yeah its not hardcore, its just ska and punk together

puska doesn't really sound good

[Erocdrah]

iHATEgc **** dude i think no one could have explained it better, hardcore is what comes from punk but when it comes down to bands like himsa,atreyu,as i lay dying etc thats metalcore or they can also call it hardcore metal. what i hate its when slipknot,mudvayne, or other nu-metal bands are refer to people as "hardcore bands".

[Gotkookie]

iHATEgc **** dude i think no one could have explained it better, hardcore is what comes from punk but when it comes down to bands like himsa,atreyu,as i lay dying etc thats metalcore or they can also call it hardcore metal. what i hate its when slipknot,mudvayne, or other nu-metal bands are refer to people as "hardcore bands".
atreyu doesn't deserve to be metalcore, they are pop-metalcore, or nu-metalcore :amaze:

[DFelon204409]

atreyu doesn't deserve to be metalcore, they are pop-metalcore, or nu-metalcore :amaze:

I think pop metalcore fits. They're in a category with fordirelifesake, even though fordirelifesake is infinitely better than Atreyu.

[TeleJon]

i think i made this post like 2 years ago. ha

[Death_Grind]

Hey IhateGC since i can't find it, maybe you could tell me what happened to my posts? I know i posted and my guess is I sounded like a total idiot so you just took them off or something. Look if you could just answer my question then i'd be happy. The band called Amen, would they be considered Punk or Hardcore? They have a good deal of both influences in them. I'd just like a response please.

[Death_Grind]

Ihatgc. My bad, i found my posts. But like i said if you could clear up Amen for me that'd be great.

[Death_Grind]

Ihatgc. My bad, i found my posts. But like i said if you could clear up Amen for me that'd be great.

[Death_Grind]

Ihatgc. My bad, i found my posts. But like i said if you could clear up Amen for me that'd be great.

[Death_Grind]

Ihatgc. My bad, i found my posts. But like i said if you could clear up Amen for me that'd be great.

[DFelon204409]

i think i made this post like 2 years ago. ha

!!!!!!!JH:KL AW:AHFL:HL:KKHF:LAKHFAKFHLAKHFLKHAL:HFH:L!!!!!!!

*sputter*

Flame somebody so I know it's really you.

[DFelon204409]

Ihatgc. My bad, i found my posts. But like i said if you could clear up Amen for me that'd be great.

Ihatgc. My bad, i found my posts. But like i said if you could clear up Amen for me that'd be great.

Ihatgc. My bad, i found my posts. But like i said if you could clear up Amen for me that'd be great.

Ihatgc. My bad, i found my posts. But like i said if you could clear up Amen for me that'd be great.


Amen sucks.

[cbmartinez]

Best band ever = DRACULACORE

http://www.hxcmp3.com/bands/12660/

I'm assuming that's your band then?

[DFelon204409]

I'm assuming that's your band then?

No just a fun diversion. Wait until our next song!

[Death_Grind]

two things. One sorry for the rabid posting (my server sucks and i thought it didn't send anything) two Dfelon your opinion is pointless. It doesn't answer my question. By the way does anyone know where i could find some Dillinger Escape plan?

[REINER]

The internet is a goods place to look.

[NewKindofArmy03]

im pretty sure www.relapse.com has some DEP mp3's.

[DFelon204409]

im pretty sure www.relapse.com has some DEP mp3's.

They also have the music video for "Panasonic Youth."

[REINER]

If I put up a Casey Jones tab would anyone use it? Because I don't want to type it all out of no one uses it.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

If you get on Soulseek and have 'You Fail Me', I'll use it. :)

[REINER]

Haha yeah I'll be on in a sec.

[DFelon204409]

Also DRACULACORE finally has a song that's actually hardcore up on the site. I recommend it especially to gotkookie. Grind is silly. www.hxcmp3.com/bands/12660 (it's the song with timmy from south park as the icon)

[hookerwithpenis]

Good thread. Something actually worth reading. So anyone get the new Misery Signals? good stuff...

Shai Hulud = hardcore... perfect example.


(**** it's been awhile since I posted)

[BuddyBigsby]

I like the new Misery Signals, but Devin Townsend made it very hard to enjoy with his crappy production. They sounded so much better on the EP.

Oh, and here's the quote of the day from the "most creative hardcore band" thread in R/M.

They all really sound the same, but I would say thursday since they were one of the creators of the genre in my opinion

[DFelon204409]

Miik is such an idiot.

[REINER]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAH! Wow, what's funny is they didn't even really write alot of their first songs. They had a different band member.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

I'm a big fan of Thursday... :upset:



And DFelon: I loved that first DRACULACORE song, so I will check out this one.

[DFelon204409]

I'm a big fan of Thursday... :upset:



And DFelon: I loved that first DRACULACORE song, so I will check out this one.

Umm. I think you'll be suprised at the difference. Our plan is to make 7-10 legit songs that are longer than 15 seconds and have 10 second grind songs in between each.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

HAHAHAHAHA. I just listened to it. Me gusta.

[REINER]

I'm a big fan of Thursday... :upset:
Don't worry I like them too, but they used to be better before they kicked out their main guitarist, who went on to make a better hardcore band

[DFelon204409]

HAHAHAHAHA. I just listened to it. Me gusta.

Ya. You cannot understand how much fun it was to make this. I was screaming and the whole time I was stifling laughter so if you listen carefully, after my third "cancer" there a huge laugh. I mean, it's appropriate because it's a joke, but still. SO much fun.

[DFelon204409]

Don't worry I like them too, but they used to be better before they kicked out their main guitarist, who went on to make a better hardcore band

What band is this?

[cbmartinez]

The Procedure. Featuring Bill, guitarist and backing vocalist on Thursday's Eyeball release Waiting. Some people claim he wrote the guitar for Full Collapse, but I don't believe it, because the guitar writing ability has seemed to stay consistent for War All The Time, and Bill was kicked out before Full Collapse.

Anyway, they broke up but their still on Purevolume. They are very good.

www.purevolume.com/theprocedure

I'm sure Sk8Ska knows more about them, as I found out about them from him.

[DFelon204409]

Also, I really like the Underoath. At first I couldn't stand it but it grew on me. Let's wait until it falls off. :(

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Yeah, I listened to the Procedure and I didn't hear much resemblance to Full Collapse.

[DFelon204409]

Well it sure doesn't sound like Waiting.

[cbmartinez]

Who, The Procedure?

[REINER]

You can deffinently hear Bill's guitar in Full Colapse when compared to The Procedure.

Also supposedly the Thursday song 'Autobiography of a Nation' is a rip off of a poem. There was an arguement about it on NJ's scene board awhile ago.

Also War All the Time is different from Full Colapse, there are some songs that sound like FC but as a whole it is different.

[cbmartinez]

Well, yeah but I meant, the whole style of the lead guitar didn't seem to change from Full Collapse. Steve Pedulla is a very good guitar player and if what you said about Bill is true, he can match Bill's style pretty well. On Waiting, the guitar style is a bit different. The song "Where The Circle Ends" is one of Thursday's finest moments and has some pretty fine guitar work.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Full Collapse is still one of my very favorite albums of all-time.

[cbmartinez]

Me also.

[REINER]

HAHAHHA!

I heard some mall metal retards got their asses kicked during Throwdown at Ozzfest. That rules.
http://www.thenjscene.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=86918
Read that trhead, it has the story. One of the kids actually did some of the fighting.

[DFelon204409]

OMFG I would have loved to be there.

[capri sun junkie]

haha, that was a fun read

[REINER]

The only downside is some people think they may have broken edge or something.

Like that's a real big letdown I think. I mean I really don't care about edge breaks, just if your going to preach edge for life or what ever, freaking do it or atleast wait for the band to breakup before breaking edge. If they really did break edge I think they should stop touring with that name and never play their old edge songs again.

[BuddyBigsby]

Wow. Throwdown are pussies.

I saw them a few months ago and they were still edgy. I'll probably be seeing them at a 'secret' Off-fest date in a month so I'll see if they're edgy or not.

[cbmartinez]

Are The Devotchkas hardcore?

[art of losing]

i like hardcore. i wish i was in a hardcore band.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Me and a couple of friends decided we were going to start a hardcore/metalcore band last night. We've said it before but this time we are serious.

[BuddyBigsby]

Most of my friends that listen to hardcore or even heavy stuff in general only started listening to it a few months ago and are newbies, so it's hard for me to get a band going. Major suckage.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Yeah that's how it is here, there's not many hardcore fans that don't only listen to From Autumn To Ashes or somethin' like that. I'm hoping this works out.

[capri sun junkie]

Most of my friends that listen to hardcore or even heavy stuff in general only started listening to it a few months ago and are newbies, so it's hard for me to get a band going. Major suckage.

try being the only kid in a 40 mile radius that listens to hardcore. OR even punk for that matter.... eastern south dakota sucks.... or even the whole state for that matter! :upset: :angry:

[cbmartinez]

I'm desperately trying to start one also, but the whole four/five people doesn't work very well. Getting everyone to band practice, finding people who like the same bands, etc...

[capri sun junkie]

I'm desperately trying to start one also, but the whole four/five people doesn't work very well. Getting everyone to band practice, finding people who like the same bands, etc...

im the only person that plays an instrument and listens to punk in a 40 mile radius

[cbmartinez]

That sucks man.

[capri sun junkie]

and how

[NewKindofArmy03]

all my band needs is a vocalist. we found a bassist on www.pahardcore.com and he likes good music. we might have this we kid we know try vocals and if he's good we're complete. then maybe we'll add a 2nd guitar. but we're having our 1st practice with a bassist monday.

[DFelon204409]

Are The Devotchkas hardcore?

Does anyone know if Devotchka is an actual word? I just finished A Clockwork Orange and it was nadsat (slang) talk for "girl," I think. Did they get it from there or what?

[DFelon204409]

Me and a couple of friends decided we were going to start a hardcore/metalcore band last night. We've said it before but this time we are serious.

Inspired by the genius that is DRACULACORE I see.

I'm desperately trying to start one also, but the whole four/five people doesn't work very well. Getting everyone to band practice, finding people who like the same bands, etc...

Dude. Just get a close friend who can play and has a new Mac. Garageband is a free program and it's so easy to make rockin' music in a short amount of time. Just look at DRACULACORE!

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Inspired by the genius that is DRACULACORE I see.

Of course.

[PoisonParadox]

The Devotchkas is an all-girl street punk band. So, no, they are not hardcore you silly bear.

[cbmartinez]

Does anyone know if Devotchka is an actual word? I just finished A Clockwork Orange and it was nadsat (slang) talk for "girl," I think. Did they get it from there or what?

The Devotchkas is an all girl band. That's probably where they got it from.

Now, I just heard Fear Before the March of Flames. Are they screamo? They have a very unique sound. If they are screamo, I can definitely sense that art and emotional feel to it. But the song I heard, "On The Bright Side, She Could Choke," it starts off like pop-punk. Very strange.

[NewKindofArmy03]

i just watched a live video of converge and at the end of the song a fight breaks out on stage and it looks like the guitarist hits 1 of the guys over the head with his guitar. it's hard to see what happened though.

[REINER]

HAHAHAH! Yes! Thats on the Long Road Home DVD Right?

He like whips his headstock around and hits a guy.

[capri sun junkie]

that is really cool. i want to see that

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Hey Sk8Ska, sorry for being annoying about this, but I never finished getting "You Fail Me"

[REINER]

Haha yeah I'll be on in a sec.

[zao592]

hardcore bands that i listen to are bands like dogz of war, skare tactic, pride kills ect..

[DFelon204409]

The Devotchkas is an all girl band. That's probably where they got it from.

Now, I just heard Fear Before the March of Flames. Are they screamo? They have a very unique sound. If they are screamo, I can definitely sense that art and emotional feel to it. But the song I heard, "On The Bright Side, She Could Choke," it starts off like pop-punk. Very strange.

They're not screamo. They have a splash of it, but then again they have some grind, pop-punk, and post-hardcore in their music so who knows.

[cbmartinez]

Oh, that is weird. Their really good nonetheless.

Also, on the topic "Christian Bands," some kids said that Thrice and The Alkaline Trio are Christian. Is that true? I figured you might be able to tell me about Thrice at least.

[NewKindofArmy03]

HAHAHAH! Yes! Thats on the Long Road Home DVD Right?

He like whips his headstock around and hits a guy.
i got it from cflhardcore.com. it was crazy, the fight just came out of nowhere and then the guitarist hits one of the guys with it. then it looks like he throws his guitar to the ground and runs in. did they hit him or something when they were fighting?

[PoisonParadox]

Warzone ****ing rock

[NewKindofArmy03]

hardcore bands that i listen to are bands like dogz of war, skare tactic, pride kills ect..
skare tactic and pride kills are really good, i saw them when they went on tour together.

[DFelon204409]

Oh, that is weird. Their really good nonetheless.

Also, on the topic "Christian Bands," some kids said that Thrice and The Alkaline Trio are Christian. Is that true? I figured you might be able to tell me about Thrice at least.

Neither of those bands are. There may be Christians in the band but they are certainly not Christian like Further Seems Forever or Underoath are.

[cbmartinez]

Yeah, that's what I thought. Thrice Christian, bwahahaha.

[DFelon204409]

Yeah, that's what I thought. Thrice Christian, bwahahaha.

And to be honest I'm vacillating between Dustin either being Christian or not. I remember reading an interview where it was a question. And I remembered he had an interesting point and strong stance on it but I didn't know if it was for or against the religion.

[NewKindofArmy03]

the comeback kid/champion show is on the cbgb live stream.

[art of losing]

the comeback kid/champion show is on the cbgb live stream.

link

[NewKindofArmy03]

www.cbgb.com then go to cybercasts. this sucks, it isn't working for me. maybe it was an early show, but i know it's today.

[NewKindofArmy03]

nevermind. it was on at 5. this sucks, i was looking forward to watching it. i hope i go to the show here on wendsday.

[axeslinga_32]

i downloaded a between the buried and me song, guys. I think it lacks energy/emotion and the singer isnt powerful at all with his growls, i think its a case of doing it quietly and turning up the volume on the P.A.

maybe it was just the song i heard?

it's called destructo spin.

help me out, and suggest some more bands.

I'm interested in hardcore bands that are really original, and are unique in some special way (converge, refused, shai hulud etc.) and not the generic chugga chugga Im an angry masculin bald man! type hardcore ;) thanks heaps.

[axeslinga_32]

Yeah, that's what I thought. Thrice Christian, bwahahaha.

dude, they started out paying at church youth groups..

I hear dustin is, apparently some of his lyrics point toward this? Anyone got an example?

[art of losing]

are you and angry masculin bald man?

[NewKindofArmy03]

i downloaded a between the buried and me song, guys. I think it lacks energy/emotion and the singer isnt powerful at all with his growls, i think its a case of doing it quietly and turning up the volume on the P.A.

maybe it was just the song i heard?

it's called destructo spin.

help me out, and suggest some more bands.

I'm interested in hardcore bands that are really original, and are unique in some special way (converge, refused, shai hulud etc.) and not the generic chugga chugga Im an angry masculin bald man! type hardcore ;) thanks heaps.

download mordecai by BTBAM. check out psyopus. it's technical metalcore and they're really good. http://www.pahardcore.com/bands/bands.cfm?id=10039 they have a song to listen to on there.

[BuddyBigsby]

dude, they started out paying at church youth groups..

I hear dustin is, apparently some of his lyrics point toward this? Anyone got an example?

My friend used to go to all of their church shows before they were even signed and he's a die-hard Thrice fan. He's been following them from Day 1 and we've had this discussion... they're not Christian. Dustin is a Christian and a big reason they get labeled as a Christian band is because in his lyrics and in Thrice's song titles there are references to Christian literature.

I don't think bands playing to church youth groups has much to do with anything either. Lots of bands do that that aren't Christian. I know Dillinger Escape Plan has played churches before.

[BuddyBigsby]

Oh yeah, and anyone that wants You Fail Me: I have the whole thing now, so hit me up on soulseek. BuddyBigsby.

[syrUsbilt]

I have it already. its alright. I'll probably buy it when they play here in a couple weeks, only because I am too lazy to burn it. Its not spectacular. Its pretty intense metal though.

[syrUsbilt]

download mordecai by BTBAM. check out psyopus. it's technical metalcore and they're really good. http://www.pahardcore.com/bands/bands.cfm?id=10039 they have a song to listen to on there.

Between the Buried and Me isn't hardcore, they are a horrible, horrible metal band. T he kid who asked that wants metal bands, not hardcore bands.

[BuddyBigsby]

Between the Buried and Me isn't hardcore, they are a horrible, horrible metal band. T he kid who asked that wants metal bands, not hardcore bands.

Not liking them is understandable, but to say they're horrible is simply out of line. Play me some sweeps like Paul, their lead guitarist, plays. Create me a song that starts off with blast beats and carnage only to evolve into a soaring anthem of beauty in less than 4 minutes.

Like I said... I can see how some people can not like them and that's fine. But saying they're horrible is a bit too far.

[syrUsbilt]

nah they are pretty horrible.

[DFelon204409]

nah they are pretty horrible.

Man, I love Between the Buried and Me. What induces you to make these comments. Like why do you feel they suck?

[DFelon204409]

My friend used to go to all of their church shows before they were even signed and he's a die-hard Thrice fan. He's been following them from Day 1 and we've had this discussion... they're not Christian. Dustin is a Christian and a big reason they get labeled as a Christian band is because in his lyrics and in Thrice's song titles there are references to Christian literature.

I don't think bands playing to church youth groups has much to do with anything either. Lots of bands do that that aren't Christian. I know Dillinger Escape Plan has played churches before.

I love hardcore shows at churches because there's this big mural of Jesus and then below it are 10 kids hardcore dancing. It's a lovely site to see.

[BuddyBigsby]

Hahaha, funny you say that... I was at a church (slash: Christian rehab) show this past Friday and they have a gigantic mural of Jesus behind the stage and there was indeed about 10 kids hardcore dancing.

[DFelon204409]

Hahaha, funny you say that... I was at a church (slash: Christian rehab) show this past Friday and they have a gigantic mural of Jesus behind the stage and there was indeed about 10 kids hardcore dancing.

That's the way he rolls. If we even meet Buddy we are starting a band called JerusalemxThrowdown.

[BuddyBigsby]

Hahaha, ok.

[axeslinga_32]

you're not online on soulseek BB, add me. axeslinga_32

[Kamikaxe]

....hey there if anyone is reading this!!!
I need to know if A.F.i is a hardcore band or just something else!
needing an answer here!!
bye :thumb:

[art of losing]

nah afi not hardcore, not even punk.
has anyone ever heard of the band called slapshot? my friend told me about them, they are an old time hardcore band and are pretty good.

[BuddyBigsby]

AFI used to be hardcore/hardcore punk. Not anymore though.

Slapshot are goooooooood.

[I Killd Kurt]

essentially, most hardcore and metalcore are similar (if not almost exactly alike), so why whine about people mixing the two terms up? All the hardcore, metalcore, grindcore, emocores, etc. have one thing in common: they all end in "core" which comes from the term "hardcore" (and each genre is reminiscent of basic hardcore), so why not just let people call it all hardcore and let the sub-genres come into play when you are in an in-depth or specific discussion? Quit making up all these silly sub-categories and such. Oh yeah and sorry for being off topic or anything at all, I was just refferring to the original threadstarter's post.

[BuddyBigsby]

Yeah, and I bet you think Atreyu and Avenged Sevenfold are hardcore. There's a big difference between hardcore, metalcore, and the stuff that gets labeled as metalcore but isn't. Obviously, you know nothing about that.

[I Killd Kurt]

You have a point. Atreyu and Avenged Sevenfold are not plain hardcore, not by a long shot. But I'm just saying it is easier to just call it all hardcore since it all stems from the same genre

[BuddyBigsby]

But the thing is... it doesn't. That's why this thread was made. Listen to some of the bands the threadstarter listed as hardcore and you'll see what I mean.

EDIT: Here.

Check out Count Me Out, Unbroken, and The Promise: http://www.indecisionrecords.com/multimedia/index.html

If you want more straight up hardcore, download pretty much anything from www.bridgenine.com

[cbmartinez]

Though I agree with the definitions at the beginning of the threads most "metalcore" bands use the word "hardcore" to describe their style, fans, etc. I was reading an interview with Eighteen Visions in Outburn (in which I found that 18V are edge and Outburn gave the new KsE 10/10 and Obsessions 9/10) and they use the word hardcore to describe themselves and growing in the hardcore scene. This is the definition I am used to. I have never heard the term metalcore used outside this forum, save one or two times. I always called bands like PTW, Bleeding Through, A7x hardcore. Bands like Give Up the Ghost, Kill Your Idols and Husker Du were at first grouped into hardcore and then slowly hardcore punk. From what I had seen it seemed like kids who listened to pop-punk tended to call PTW hardcore, while punk kids, already having a genre called hardcore, called it metalcore. I don't know. The point I'm trying to make is that the definitions given in this thread were very good and I'm starting to get use to saying metalcore, I still use hardcore a lot of the time.

[NewKindofArmy03]

never seen it used outside of the forums? i see it all over the internet.

[art of losing]

AFI used to be hardcore/hardcore punk. Not anymore though.

Slapshot are goooooooood.
i know, i need to find where i can get their cds. :thumb:

[hookerwithpenis]

I'll just break it down a little more... Metal(core) is based off of metal guitar riffs, Hardcore isn't. Metal(core) has the (core) in it for the fact all they did was incorporate the breakdown... You cannot say that both come close in comparrison. The sound that both genres are based around are completely different. A band like Shai Hulud and a band like The Black Dahlia Murder do not sound the same nor should even be considered to be grouped into the same genre... I have always kept hardcore and metalcore in seperate genres. I get so Fing annoyed by little kids who just got into the music when I hear "Atreyu is hardcore" or even worst "Bleeding Through is hardcore". Sometimes I just want to ask them if they are tone deaf or deaf in general. I'am done now...

[I Killd Kurt]

I guess where I was getting at with my post was to encourage you guys to sort of make hardcore its own genre. Like putting metalcore, emocore, whatever-the-f*ck-you-want-cores all under hardcore. Like hardcore could be a "mother genre", if you will. Punk has its sub-categories, metal has its sub-categories, so why can't we just have hardcore and its sub-categories instead of looking at hardcore and metalcore as completely different styles of music. As cbmartinez says, most "core" bands use the general term hardcore to describe their music. I know that metalcore and hardcore are quite different from eachother. I'm not deaf, so I can tell the differences. But anyways, good job, threadstarter. Your definitions of the music were clear and pretty good.

[BuddyBigsby]

I see what you're saying I killd Kurt. Fair enough.

[REINER]

i got it from http://www.cflhardcore.com. it was crazy, the fight just came out of nowhere and then the guitarist hits one of the guys with it. then it looks like he throws his guitar to the ground and runs in. did they hit him or something when they were fighting?
I'm on this website, it's awesome has a bunch of videos. I wish I actually owned this DVD though, so I can watch this kid get hit over and over again.

[I Killd Kurt]

I see what you're saying I killd Kurt. Fair enough.

thank you, buddy