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NewKindofArmy03
11-09-2004, 07:37 PM
That's the part I'm trying to figure out right now. I'm watching the video over and over. Mind helping me out, man?
i suck at doing it by ear, but i'm pretty sure it's on the A string and it goes
6-5-3-1 6-5-3-1 6-5-3-1 6-5-8

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-09-2004, 07:43 PM
i suck at doing it by ear, but i'm pretty sure it's on the A string and it goes
6-5-3-1 6-5-3-1 6-5-3-1 6-5-8
Yeah on the tab it's that with octave chords I think.

cbmartinez
11-09-2004, 07:46 PM
Through Being Cool is their best CD.

MY SWEET FRACTURE + THIRD ENGINE = :D

Agreed. Almost flawless in my eyes.

victimofreality
11-09-2004, 08:01 PM
Hey, Sk8Ska this band Scream! Hello you reccomended is pretty good. They remind of Saves The Day.
I saw Scream Hello live when I was in New Jersey.

cbmartinez
11-09-2004, 08:02 PM
Congradulations.

Johnny EPHC
11-09-2004, 08:08 PM
i suck at doing it by ear, but i'm pretty sure it's on the A string and it goes
6-5-3-1 6-5-3-1 6-5-3-1 6-5-8
I have that part, I meant the part before that. (after the drum part of the intro)

NewKindofArmy03
11-09-2004, 08:09 PM
whoa, i don't know why i never checked out suicide file before, this band is awesome.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-09-2004, 08:14 PM
I have that part, I meant the part before that. (after the drum part of the intro)
It's right on the tab...

Johnny EPHC
11-09-2004, 08:15 PM
It's right on the tab...
No it isn't.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-09-2004, 08:17 PM
No it isn't.
Yes, yes it is.

C#|-----5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5--|
G#|-----5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5--|
C#|--/--5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5--|

victimofreality
11-09-2004, 08:19 PM
Congradulations.
Oh, I'm so sorry to inconvenience you.

Johnny EPHC
11-09-2004, 08:21 PM
Yes, yes it is.

C#|-----5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5--|
G#|-----5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5--|
C#|--/--5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5--|
There are three different chords in the intro, not just one. I'm watching the video and I think the first chord is around the first fret and the second two are around the second fret.

http://www.facedownrecords.com/MEDIA/VIDEO/CBK_die_tonight.mov

NewKindofArmy03
11-09-2004, 08:25 PM
yeah, when i saw that tab before i knew that didn't sound right.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-09-2004, 08:26 PM
There are three different chords in the intro, not just one. I'm watching the video and I think the first chord is around the first fret and the second two are around the second fret.

http://www.facedownrecords.com/MEDIA/VIDEO/CBK_die_tonight.mov
Hm that's right...I'd probably start with that G powerchord, then do this chord

C#|7
G#|5
C#|5

Then this one

F#|7
C#|7
G#|5
C#|5

It looks as if in the video it is in a down tuned standard tuning...I don't know what you call it. Normal tuning with all the strings tuned down.

young, loud and andrew
11-09-2004, 08:26 PM
here's what i do for the "die tonight" intro

-5-5-8-7-8-7--------------------------------
-5-5-5-5-5-5--------------------------------
-5-5-5-5-5-5--------------------------------

It's not the same as in the video, but it sounds the same.

Johnny EPHC
11-09-2004, 08:27 PM
Thanks to both of you.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-09-2004, 08:34 PM
This might be a better version

Chords:

D|5
A|5
E|3

D|7
A|5
E|3

D|8
A|5
E|3

On the video it looks like this but 2 frets down. That's probably right then... But this sounds like it...oh well this is how I would play it.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-09-2004, 08:39 PM
Yeah so this could have gone in the tab forum...

Johnny EPHC
11-09-2004, 08:39 PM
Yeah so this could have gone in the tab forum...
Do people actually even visit the tab forum?

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-09-2004, 08:41 PM
Do people actually even visit the tab forum?
I have no idea. One guy asked for Comeback Kid tabs there the one time I went there. I gave him the link to www.hcguitartabs.tk.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-09-2004, 08:45 PM
I just realized punkerx99's version is the exact same as my second one just in drop tuning.

Let's Chop Cats!
11-09-2004, 09:16 PM
I saw Scream Hello live when I was in New Jersey.When/Where at?

victimofreality
11-09-2004, 09:33 PM
When/Where at?
I don't remember where at exactly, somewhere around Princeton. My cousin is friends with them, or friend of a friend or something like that.

It was sometime in August.

Let's Chop Cats!
11-09-2004, 09:37 PM
Hmmm, Princeton. I know they played at Bloomfield Ave, in August. I saw them there. Did the name of the show happened to be called '****fest'?

victimofreality
11-09-2004, 09:42 PM
Hmmm, Princeton. I know they played at Bloomfield Ave, in August. I saw them there. Did the name of the show happened to be called '****fest'?
I don't recall, but it wasn't in Priceton, just within an hour of there. What other bands played there?

Gotkookie
11-09-2004, 09:45 PM
I love the syncronized two stepping in die tonight.

Let's Chop Cats!
11-09-2004, 09:51 PM
I don't recall, but it wasn't in Priceton, just within an hour of there. What other bands played there?Lack There Of
Cannonball
The Breakout
Ensign
Nothing Left to Mourn
Hub City Stompers

victimofreality
11-09-2004, 09:54 PM
Nevermind, it was actually in September.

capri sun junkie
11-09-2004, 09:57 PM
I love the syncronized two stepping in die tonight.

Too bad its only like a 3 second clip.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-09-2004, 09:58 PM
I really don't see why people make such a big deal of the two stepping in that video...

CONNER_NWHC
11-09-2004, 10:02 PM
Any one got other videos with two stepping in them?

Let's Chop Cats!
11-09-2004, 10:04 PM
Nevermind, it was actually in September.Ok, I just wanted to see if it was the same show I went to.

victimofreality
11-09-2004, 10:08 PM
Ok, I just wanted to see if it was the same show I went to.
Yeah, well it was on September 18, in New Brunswick. My cousin said that he knows the drummer.

Let's Chop Cats!
11-09-2004, 10:09 PM
Ahh, that's cool.

40 oz 2 freedom
11-09-2004, 10:25 PM
Yeah, well it was on September 18, in New Brunswick. My cousin said that he knows the drummer.

:amaze:

That's my birthday!

victimofreality
11-09-2004, 10:34 PM
:amaze:

That's my birthday!
Yes, they sung happy birthday to you too.

victimofreality
11-09-2004, 10:35 PM
Reiner, what was that band that you linked me to, with people from your old band?

BuddyBigsby
11-10-2004, 12:58 AM
whoa, i don't know why i never checked out suicide file before, this band is awesome.

They have a reunion show coming up with MPB in NYC. I wish I lived there at times like this :upset:

BuddyBigsby
11-10-2004, 01:02 AM
Man, I'm pumped for the No Innocent Victim reunion show next week. First Blood are going to be there... and I'm EXTREMELY interested to see xDeathstarx, their 4 singers, and their mosh competition.

And I just found out about this beast coming in January: Hatebreed, Agnostic Front, Love Is Red, The Autumn Offering ... and Diecast but they're terrible.

PlasticGangster
11-10-2004, 01:10 AM
Lucky, I just got into The Autumn Offering

BuddyBigsby
11-10-2004, 01:13 AM
Their bassist IMd me once. He's an idiot.

PlasticGangster
11-10-2004, 01:17 AM
Ahaha, what did he say?

BuddyBigsby
11-10-2004, 01:23 AM
Well, I posted something on Lambgoat defending them, because I do like them. I have my contact info on there so he looked it up and IMd me. It went from "You like my band? You're cool" to "Hey, we can't get out there, so can you pass out these flyers advertising our CD at shows for us" to "You should buy our CD and buy it from bestbuy.com because we get money if you buy it from them", but with about 10,000 spelling errors. He also at one point said "brb gotta get sum vikodin"

CONNER_NWHC
11-10-2004, 01:29 AM
Did you hand out the flyers?

BuddyBigsby
11-10-2004, 01:31 AM
Hahaha, no. I actually would though, I don't mind.

Malice
11-10-2004, 01:37 AM
What's vikadin?


















































I'm Australian, be gentle...

BuddyBigsby
11-10-2004, 01:39 AM
Vicodin. Its a pill people like to pop. Its like a woman's drug though. He should do heroin like a man.

Malice
11-10-2004, 01:41 AM
lol.
So it's like an anti-depressant, or a relaxant, right?

BuddyBigsby
11-10-2004, 01:49 AM
Something like that. I'm not cool enough to know these things.

Malice
11-10-2004, 01:57 AM
Ok, good-o. Thanks for that.

tornpictures
11-10-2004, 02:21 AM
Of what I've heard of Saves The Day's old stuff it's just hardcore with pop-punk vocals.

This is judging by the two songs I have actually heard by Saves The Day. Actually only one of them sounds like a hardcore song. They're both on the same album 'Can't Slow Down'. The hardcore sounding one is 'Deciding'.

Yeah, the old stuff is basically just Lifetime.

BuddyBigsby
11-10-2004, 03:28 AM
I found Shane's myspace.

http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=98149&Mytoken=20041110012152

tornpictures
11-10-2004, 03:32 AM
shane has 2617 friends.

No, Shane has 0 friends.

Happymeal
11-10-2004, 06:31 AM
Shane looks like teh anime

Johnny EPHC
11-10-2004, 08:04 AM
Vicodin is a painkiller.

shane italian
11-10-2004, 09:14 AM
I found Shane's myspace.

http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=98149&Mytoken=20041110012152
Hahahaha, I've seen that guy before. I wanted to message him about gaying up my name...but I didn't feel like it.

http://profiles.myspace.com/users/5697595 I have nudes :naughty:

*NevermindTheBallots*
11-10-2004, 09:31 AM
Which is a good reason to NOT visit shane's link

You have been warned :lol:

DeathHawk
11-10-2004, 11:49 AM
arggh myspace.


http://profiles.myspace.com/users/5794289


i feel


so


..scene

refuse amen
11-10-2004, 01:25 PM
don't worry pal, even i have myspace.

http://profiles.myspace.com/users/8534021

capri sun junkie
11-10-2004, 01:27 PM
Hardyharhar, who doesn't got MySpace?

Hell, even Doug has a MySpace!

http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=5052254&Mytoken=20041110112801

young, loud and andrew
11-10-2004, 01:33 PM
I don't have it.


I just downloaded a few Count Me Out songs--they sound EXACTLY like Champion, or should i say champion sounds exactly like count me out (they were around before, right?).

cbmartinez
11-10-2004, 01:55 PM
Shane looks interesting. What's that song that's playing?

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-10-2004, 02:34 PM
I don't have it.


I just downloaded a few Count Me Out songs--they sound EXACTLY like Champion, or should i say champion sounds exactly like count me out (they were around before, right?).
I don't have any albums by them, but the stuff on Permanent I've heard sounds much less like Champion than their other stuff.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-10-2004, 02:37 PM
Shane looks interesting. What's that song that's playing?
I know that song...

BuddyBigsby
11-10-2004, 03:19 PM
Hahahaha, I've seen that guy before. I wanted to message him about gaying up my name...but I didn't feel like it.

http://profiles.myspace.com/users/5697595 I have nudes :naughty:

Holy damn, way to pimp the scene hoes.

I too am the sad owner of a Myspace :upset: It won't let me go to the main page from school for some reason so I can't l0ink it up now... it just redirects me to Barney's website. I wonder if its blocked.

Let's Chop Cats!
11-10-2004, 03:21 PM
Haha, myspace whores.

what happened last night?
11-10-2004, 03:25 PM
Dakota scene ****ing rules.
i really beg to differ cause like capri sun junkie saied the closest friggin punk town is 100 miles away and not many people know the scene around here. there all like "im a punk" and the listen to effing NU-metal Its so effed up

what happened last night?
11-10-2004, 03:29 PM
I know that some punk kids listen to metal but they totally think that slipknot and korn are hardcore/emoscreamo

BuddyBigsby
11-10-2004, 03:38 PM
You need to stop posting in this thread.

NewKindofArmy03
11-10-2004, 03:57 PM
I really don't see why people make such a big deal of the two stepping in that video...
me neither, it's only a second long. and since two-stepping goes to a beat, a lot of the time it should be synchronized.

Jedi Jesus
11-10-2004, 04:07 PM
myspace is gay, much like shane

Zombie Apocalypse
11-10-2004, 04:07 PM
i have no idea whats going on in this thread... haha

Let's Chop Cats!
11-10-2004, 04:12 PM
myspace is gay, much like shaneDon't you use PunkConnect?

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-10-2004, 04:28 PM
MILES BETWEEN US OWN.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-10-2004, 06:09 PM
Blue Monday are on Bridge 9. I never knew that. In fact, I only heard Blue Monday today. Their name is pretty stupid sounding. But they rule.

CONNER_NWHC
11-10-2004, 06:15 PM
I have seen Blue Monday live twice and they kick major ***.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-10-2004, 06:30 PM
I have seen Blue Monday live twice and they kick major ***.
You're from Vancouver right? Have you seen Go It Alone?

Silvermedalmafia
11-10-2004, 06:32 PM
I am from Vancouver Island.

CONNER_NWHC
11-10-2004, 06:34 PM
You're from Vancouver right? Have you seen Go It Alone?
I havent seen them but i have herd of them.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-10-2004, 06:35 PM
I havent seen them but i have herd of them.
Go see them if you have a chance. They are awesome.

www.rivalrecords.net has a song.

BuddyBigsby
11-10-2004, 06:54 PM
i have no idea whats going on in this thread... haha

It's basically a community thread for the small community of us hardk0re kiddies. You'll get the hang of it eventually.

Anyways, I'm not gay or anything, but this guy is really sexy. http://profiles.myspace.com/users/3494289

NewKindofArmy03
11-10-2004, 07:03 PM
At school a year or two ago there was this one arrogant **** I really hated. One day I had chinese food and he kept bugging me for a piece of orange chicken and tried to steal a piece, etc. When he wasn't looking, I grabbed a piece and rubbed it very generously around my nuts, and then said "Here dude, take it. Stop your bitching" and he downed it. I was trying my hardest not to laugh and my friends (David, etc.) just looked plain horrified.

HAHAHAHA, i started cracking up when i read that.

victimofreality
11-10-2004, 07:06 PM
Reiner, what is that band with people from your old band?

capri sun junkie
11-10-2004, 07:08 PM
Anyways, I'm not gay or anything, but this guy is really sexy. http://profiles.myspace.com/users/3494289

I don't appreciate it when people put music in there, and there is no way to turn it off.

BuddyBigsby
11-10-2004, 07:22 PM
yeah capri, its not like there's a little quicktime player with a "stop" and "pause" button to turn it off.

HAHAHAHA, i started cracking up when i read that.

He had it coming.

Let's Chop Cats!
11-10-2004, 07:26 PM
Reiner, what is that band with people from your old band? http://www.myspace.com/throats
There is no mp3's up yet, they should be up within a week or so.

capri sun junkie
11-10-2004, 07:28 PM
yeah capri, its not like there's a little quicktime player with a "stop" and "pause" button to turn it off.

Sometimes there is. But I never saw one on yours? :confused:

PlasticGangster
11-10-2004, 07:50 PM
http://profiles.myspace.com/users/6972343

I sold out :upset:
Ba-doom-tsk

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-10-2004, 08:05 PM
HAHAHAHA, i started cracking up when i read that.
HAHAHHAHAHA

BuddyBigsby
11-10-2004, 08:10 PM
Sometimes there is. But I never saw one on yours? :confused:

I'm pretty sure there is... oh well, if there's not, you just press the Stop button on your browser and that'll stop it.

BuddyBigsby
11-10-2004, 08:11 PM
I'm adding all of you gays, I mean guys.

Silvermedalmafia
11-10-2004, 08:13 PM
I'm adding all of you gays, I mean guys.
I am so sXe I don't believe in the internet.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-10-2004, 08:16 PM
Then how are you on MX, butthead.

Silvermedalmafia
11-10-2004, 08:18 PM
I attach a keyboard to my phone and type stuff.

PlasticGangster
11-10-2004, 08:19 PM
I attach a keyboard to my phone and type stuff.
You're 1337 to the max

DeathHawk
11-10-2004, 08:19 PM
http://profiles.myspace.com/users/6972343

I sold out :upset:
Ba-doom-tsk


Thats sum emo shat right thurrr!!

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-10-2004, 08:21 PM
I attach a keyboard to my phone and type stuff.
That's still the internet, dickface.

40 oz 2 freedom
11-10-2004, 08:23 PM
http://profiles.myspace.com/users/6578649

mole
11-10-2004, 08:26 PM
Holy mother I have never visited this thread!

Zombie Apocalypse
11-10-2004, 08:27 PM
I attach a keyboard to my phone and type stuff.


I've got a datajack in the back of my head. It's pretty sweet, ran me about 5,000 rupees

PlasticGangster
11-10-2004, 08:33 PM
Thats sum emo shat right thurrr!!
emo 4 lyphe

cbmartinez
11-10-2004, 08:47 PM
It's basically a community thread for the small community of us hardk0re kiddies. You'll get the hang of it eventually.

Anyways, I'm not gay or anything, but this guy is really sexy. http://profiles.myspace.com/users/3494289

Cb likes the d00ds... :upset:

Dude, Envy rock, I just remembered. What's this music playing?

shane italian
11-10-2004, 09:32 PM
Shane looks interesting. What's that song that's playing?Mental "And You Know This"

40 oz 2 freedom
11-10-2004, 09:33 PM
Pffft....Mental....










GET AN OXYGEN TANK!!!!!!

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-10-2004, 10:05 PM
I don't have any albums from Mental, but the Get An Oxygen Tank stuff has really bad sounding production. I liked the one song I heard off of 'Yo'. 'Heads Or Tails' it was called.

I loved that one part...

TAKE A LOOK, TAKE A GOOD ****ING LOOK

young, loud and andrew
11-10-2004, 10:08 PM
Help me out here: I have two unlabeled songs on my computer. The two songs are called "Die Trying" and "Still Waiting." It's definitely by a hardcore band, but who?

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-10-2004, 10:09 PM
Man, I can't believe how much I was missing out on not listening to Kill Your Idols. I didn't like them when I heard them a while ago, so I never listened to them again, but I just downloaded some songs and they are ****ing awesome.

shane italian
11-10-2004, 10:09 PM
Embrace Today

to punkerx99

40 oz 2 freedom
11-10-2004, 10:11 PM
If I don't have anything else to do on Saturday, I'm seeing them.

Feel The Darkness
11-10-2004, 10:17 PM
well ****...*joins the MySpace bandwagon*

http://profiles.myspace.com/users/7928821

haha, actually i already had myspace...beetch ....:lol:

:chug:

NewKindofArmy03
11-10-2004, 10:36 PM
Mental "And You Know This"
THATS WHAT IT WAS! i played it like 5 times because it was on the tip of my tongue, but i still couldn't get it.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-10-2004, 10:36 PM
www.nwhardcore.com/demos

Someone check out Sinking Ships and Stop At Nothing!! You will not be dissapointed!

NewKindofArmy03
11-10-2004, 10:41 PM
and barricade if they haven't, they were really good. i'm going off to find an amazing obscure band right now, i'll be back with my findings later.

NewKindofArmy03
11-10-2004, 11:01 PM
well i'm to lazy to find anything now but check out these bands.
http://www.purevolume.com/noroses
http://www.purevolume.com/disengage
disengage isn't together anymore and no roses i'm not sure about, my friend e-mailed them a while ago and they never responded.

young, loud and andrew
11-10-2004, 11:05 PM
i just checked out Sinking Ships--i like what i hear. thanks for the recommendation.

40 oz 2 freedom
11-10-2004, 11:20 PM
I've got Barricade on Soulseek, for anyone that wants it.

BuddyBigsby
11-11-2004, 02:19 AM
Cb likes the d00ds... :upset:

Dude, Envy rock, I just remembered. What's this music playing?

Codeseven - "Alt.Wave"

CONNER_NWHC
11-11-2004, 04:22 AM
Is darkest Hour hardcore?

shane italian
11-11-2004, 10:04 AM
Metal

Johnny EPHC
11-11-2004, 10:25 AM
http://profiles.myspace.com/users/4456349

This guy's an awesome dancer.

what happened last night?
11-11-2004, 10:47 AM
any one like "My Chemical Romance" i just just heard them yesterday

NewKindofArmy03
11-11-2004, 11:39 AM
http://www.myspace.com/thesedays
http://www.myspace.com/thesedays
http://www.myspace.com/thesedays

new songs, YES! shane, i know you want to hear this.

young, loud and andrew
11-11-2004, 12:40 PM
any one like "My Chemical Romance" i just just heard them yesterday

good band; not hardcore or metalcore though. take it to the pop punk forum.

NewKindofArmy03
11-11-2004, 02:17 PM
emo 4 lyphe
nice avatar, all out war rule.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-11-2004, 02:18 PM
any one like "My Chemical Romance" i just just heard them yesterday
Haha, stop posting.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-11-2004, 02:46 PM
Did Bane's singer break edge?

what happened last night?
11-11-2004, 02:54 PM
good band; not hardcore or metalcore though. take it to the pop punk forum.
NO one is ever in the pop punk forum

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-11-2004, 02:55 PM
There's tons of people in the pop-punk forum, cumface.

Zombie Apocalypse
11-11-2004, 02:58 PM
Boobs

BuddyBigsby
11-11-2004, 03:02 PM
Boobs

123

Zombie Apocalypse
11-11-2004, 03:04 PM
has anyone here heard Anchors Away? they're superb. and they really like Wet Hot American Summer, which is rad.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-11-2004, 03:51 PM
For so long I ignored how much Give Up The Ghost ruled. (We're Down Till We're Underground stuff, I already liked AN)

capri sun junkie
11-11-2004, 03:55 PM
I like AN stuff a little more than GUTG stuff. GUTG stuff still good though.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-11-2004, 03:57 PM
I like AN stuff a little more than GUTG stuff. GUTG stuff still good though.
I used to like AN stuff, and I just didn't like GUTG stuff, but now I like GUTG stuff more than AN.

capri sun junkie
11-11-2004, 04:03 PM
I got into that band mostly through GUTG stuff (soulseek), but then I got Background Music, and hearted it. Then after a while got We're Down Till We're Underground, and found I do enjoy it, but enjoy Background Music a little better.

Let's Chop Cats!
11-11-2004, 04:15 PM
AN > GUTG

Even AN as a name is better.

capri sun junkie
11-11-2004, 04:16 PM
Plus GUTG stuff sounded kind of repetitive for some reason...

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-11-2004, 04:20 PM
I found that AN stuff sounded repetitive...

Let's Chop Cats!
11-11-2004, 04:21 PM
Background music is one of the best CD's ever.

NewKindofArmy03
11-11-2004, 04:23 PM
well i'm to lazy to find anything now but check out these bands.
http://www.purevolume.com/noroses
http://www.purevolume.com/disengage
disengage isn't together anymore and no roses i'm not sure about, my friend e-mailed them a while ago and they never responded.
^^^
i know people will like them. disengage also had members of xfilesx.

capri sun junkie
11-11-2004, 04:25 PM
Background music is one of the best CD's ever.

Uno, dos, tres!

young, loud and andrew
11-11-2004, 04:56 PM
I like GUTG more than AN.

shane italian
11-11-2004, 05:01 PM
Tyf > An > Gutg

NewKindofArmy03
11-11-2004, 05:05 PM
agreed.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-11-2004, 05:16 PM
Did Bane's singer break edge?
Or did they just stop calling themselves straight edge?

Let's Chop Cats!
11-11-2004, 05:27 PM
They never claimed to be a straight edge band, go to http://www.banecentral.com then go to facts and it says their stance on straight edge.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-11-2004, 05:29 PM
They never claimed to be a straight edge band, go to http://www.banecentral.com then go to facts and it says their stance on straight edge.
Have you read the lyrics on It All Comes Down To This?

Example: What Makes Us Strong
Reasons not rules Six simple words A wise man sang to me So many years
ago Stood by me through All of life's changes The only advice that I
have to give REASONS NOT RULES MAKE US STRONG

If they wrote this and were not a straight edge band, that's pretty strange.

Let's Chop Cats!
11-11-2004, 05:32 PM
It doesn't say they're not edge, just not all of thema re edge and they are not straight edge in the sense of the label.
This doesn't mean that who ever wrote those lyrics in peticular isn't straight edge.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-11-2004, 05:34 PM
It doesn't say they're not edge, just not all of thema re edge and they are not straight edge in the sense of the label.
This doesn't mean that who ever wrote those lyrics in peticular isn't straight edge.
But they do not write songs about straight edge anymore.

Let's Chop Cats!
11-11-2004, 05:36 PM
Doesn't mean they aren't edge anymore. They never were a band who mainly sang about straight edge. Edge is just one of the little things they have sung about. Personally I think writing edge songs now is pretty pointless (unless your Casey Jones) because the edge has lost all of it's meaning.

CONNER_NWHC
11-11-2004, 05:40 PM
All Casey Jones songs are about being Edge.

Let's Chop Cats!
11-11-2004, 05:42 PM
No....
C.G.I. 2K3
Caution: John's a Heart Breaker
Grown Assman

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-11-2004, 05:43 PM
Doesn't mean they aren't edge anymore. They never were a band who mainly sang about straight edge. Edge is just one of the little things they have sung about. Personally I think writing edge songs now is pretty pointless (unless your Casey Jones) because the edge has lost all of it's meaning.
Yeah that's true.

CONNER_NWHC
11-11-2004, 05:44 PM
No....
C.G.I. 2K3
Caution: John's a Heart Breaker
Grown Assman
That whole CD is really good.

Let's Chop Cats!
11-11-2004, 05:46 PM
Yes it is.

twenty.five.to.five
11-11-2004, 05:55 PM
Hey i stumbled onto this thread after getting some tabs from mxtabs.net and i've just become a member. It is a very interesting and informing read. sorry to sound like i'm reading a formal report or something.

Let's Chop Cats!
11-11-2004, 05:58 PM
Haha, It's all good. Aslong as you learn something.

CONNER_NWHC
11-11-2004, 05:59 PM
Is most Hardcore in Drop D tuning with guitars?

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-11-2004, 06:02 PM
Is most Hardcore in Drop D tuning with guitars?
Not most of it.

shane italian
11-11-2004, 06:02 PM
Is most Hardcore in Drop D tuning with guitars?Depends on the band or style. Newer bands are starting to just put guitars into drop-d, though.

Let's Chop Cats!
11-11-2004, 06:02 PM
No, well more of the newer, metally sounding bands use Drop D. But most original bands used standard tuning. Alot more bands have been using it these days.

CONNER_NWHC
11-11-2004, 06:03 PM
Yeah i new that alot of metal bands did.

twenty.five.to.five
11-11-2004, 06:04 PM
sorry for posting again kind of, but have you guys heard of Thought Crime? i'm pretty sure they have a purevolume thing set up. I heard them on a comp i bought a while back. I'd recommend 'hope in the proles' and 'monument.' They say they play bi-polar rock but they play a hardcore, defintely some metal influence sound.

Response to noneed66: Not all hardcore is drop-D. but sure, a lot is.

Let's Chop Cats!
11-11-2004, 06:20 PM
Post all you want in here aslong as it's relevant/not idiotic.

Can't say I've heard them.

40 oz 2 freedom
11-11-2004, 06:37 PM
I got a little show comin' up....


Mental, Stiggy's War, Righteous Jams, RNR, Lights Out, Our Turn, Set Your Goals, Make Move, The Warriors...+ 2 "Special guests"

December 30th.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-11-2004, 06:49 PM
I got a little show comin' up....


Mental, Stiggy's War, Righteous Jams, RNR, Lights Out, Our Turn, Set Your Goals, Make Move, The Warriors...+ 2 "Special guests"

December 30th.
Damn. I'm getting Righteous Jams and Mental in a while, but I really want to see Lights Out and Our Turn...

CONNER_NWHC
11-11-2004, 07:42 PM
Where can i find Casey Jones Guitar Tabs?

Let's Chop Cats!
11-11-2004, 07:44 PM
I put one up on Mxtabs. Other than that there are none. I know how to play like half their album, just to lazy to tab it all out.

CONNER_NWHC
11-11-2004, 07:45 PM
Was it fairly easy to learn?

Let's Chop Cats!
11-11-2004, 07:46 PM
Yeah it should be easy. All it is, is power chords in Drop D and maybe like 2 palm mutes.

CONNER_NWHC
11-11-2004, 07:47 PM
Sweet i will give it a try.

cbmartinez
11-11-2004, 07:50 PM
So I'm tabbing "Jane Doe" on bass right now. It's a pretty good challenge. Most of the songs on Jane Doe are too hard for me, though. They are either A) impossible to hear in the ****ing messy, grindy mix ("Concubine") or B)Some of the basswork is actually pretty impressive and often hard to hear.

CONNER_NWHC
11-11-2004, 07:50 PM
Is there a program for wrighting out tabs or is it just in word.

Let's Chop Cats!
11-11-2004, 07:51 PM
Ahhh, tab guitar out because I'm to lazy/not good enough. There aren't enough Converge tabs.

cbmartinez
11-11-2004, 07:52 PM
I do it in Word personally. Put it to Courier font if your going to do it in Word.

Let's Chop Cats!
11-11-2004, 07:52 PM
Well there is Power Tab which you can write it out and play it.
I do it in Word personally. Put it to Courier font if your going to do it in Word.I use Notepad. Same font as the tabs.

cbmartinez
11-11-2004, 07:54 PM
Good thinking. But I don't like the fact that Notepad keeps typing on one line forever.

CONNER_NWHC
11-11-2004, 07:54 PM
You make some pretty good tabs Sk8Ska for DK and Refused.

Gotkookie
11-11-2004, 07:56 PM
yeah, I saw his casey jones tab too.

Let's Chop Cats!
11-11-2004, 07:56 PM
Good thinking. But I don't like the fact that Notepad keeps typing on one line forever.Yeah that's true, I usualy just continue on another line.
You make some pretty good tabs Sk8Ska for DK and Refused.Hah, thanks. Alot of my tabs suck, like a year ago I did a bunch and they're crappy. Some I had a little help with. Also I stole a Bad Religion solo from this other site which only had the solo tabbed out. I figured why not, make it easier on me. Also I stole a few tabs from an older site which got shut down.

cbmartinez
11-11-2004, 07:57 PM
Sk8Ska, you did a tab for "Signals Over The Air" right?

Let's Chop Cats!
11-11-2004, 07:59 PM
Yeah, it's kind of shitty. Also I didn't do it all myself.

cbmartinez
11-11-2004, 08:00 PM
Yeah, I remembering seeing it. I have the official tab by Tom and Steve in an issue of Guitar World I have.

Let's Chop Cats!
11-11-2004, 08:02 PM
Cool, I haven't really listened to Thursday in the longest time. Probably since that tab.

Didn't they come out with a tab book for the whole album?

So how bad was my tab?

shane italian
11-11-2004, 08:15 PM
Weird, I just put in War All The Time today.

cbmartinez
11-11-2004, 08:15 PM
Yours sounded right, it just wasn't the correct way to play it.

They came out with a War All The Time tablature book. I really want to get it. You order it off their site.

Let's Chop Cats!
11-11-2004, 08:25 PM
I know there is deffinently some stuff wrong with my tab. Mainly more of the 2nd guitar work. The intro is right, just the fingering for it is wrong.

NewKindofArmy03
11-11-2004, 08:26 PM
Weird, I just put in War All The Time today.
did you check out the new These Days songs yet? if not, get to it, they rule.

shane italian
11-11-2004, 08:28 PM
Purevolume? Is it the Lions Den one?

NewKindofArmy03
11-11-2004, 08:29 PM
http://www.myspace.com/thesedays
http://www.myspace.com/thesedays
http://www.myspace.com/thesedays

^^^

shane italian
11-11-2004, 08:38 PM
It's good stuff, but the EP is still better.

NewKindofArmy03
11-11-2004, 08:41 PM
'this is ours' isn't on the EP, is it? i'm pretty sure that's going to go on the full-length too.

shane italian
11-11-2004, 08:42 PM
Fight Back and Lions Den are on the Ep, though.

NewKindofArmy03
11-11-2004, 08:45 PM
i can't wait for the full-length though. as far as tough guy goes, they're in my top 5.

cbmartinez
11-11-2004, 09:04 PM
I just finished my bass tab for "Jane Doe." It's a beast.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-11-2004, 09:17 PM
www.cricialresponse.com

Download 'Allstars' by Afterlife. Awesome, sounds somewhat like Champion.

Gotkookie
11-12-2004, 12:48 AM
I just finished my bass tab for "Jane Doe." It's a beast.
uh uh, too bad I dont play bass.

BuddyBigsby
11-12-2004, 02:49 AM
Oh yeah well uh... I tabbed out an Agony Scene song....


:upset:

I got a little show comin' up....


Mental, Stiggy's War, Righteous Jams, RNR, Lights Out, Our Turn, Set Your Goals, Make Move, The Warriors...+ 2 "Special guests"

December 30th.

Hot dog!

Dude, Mental, RJ, The Warriors, and MAKE MOVE?!?! Have fun man, that's an awesome lineup, especially Make Move. Hardcore from South Central. I'm seeing The Warriors again soon with Kids Like Us *two steps*.

CONNER_NWHC
11-12-2004, 03:08 PM
Just learned most of the comeback kid cd on guitar!

what happened last night?
11-12-2004, 03:15 PM
mmm
where can i hear comeback kid on the net

CONNER_NWHC
11-12-2004, 03:25 PM
there is one song on purevolume

what happened last night?
11-12-2004, 03:34 PM
by golly the forums are empty today

what happened last night?
11-12-2004, 03:34 PM
what is a good list of emo/metalcore songs to learn

40 oz 2 freedom
11-12-2004, 04:06 PM
Oh yeah well uh... I tabbed out an Agony Scene song....


:upset:



Hot dog!

Dude, Mental, RJ, The Warriors, and MAKE MOVE?!?! Have fun man, that's an awesome lineup, especially Make Move. Hardcore from South Central. I'm seeing The Warriors again soon with Kids Like Us *two steps*.


I'm seeing KLU with the Contender Monday. *two steps with Buddy*

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-12-2004, 04:25 PM
what is a good list of emo/metalcore songs to learn
Just stop posting...

Zombie Apocalypse
11-12-2004, 05:00 PM
duuuudes. im frickin bored.

I've got that Mental show comin, with Instilled, Down to Nothing, Never Enough, R'n'R, the spark, righteous jams, snake bite, forward to death, fight like a brave, and ruiner. cool cause i only know like 5 of those bands.

then a week before that we've got Casey Jones AND KLU. bias.

and for some reason Youth Attack is on tour. wtf. oh well they're playing with Verse and One Up so of course ill attend.

atlanta hardcore is on its way back to the top.

40 oz 2 freedom
11-12-2004, 05:01 PM
Daaaaaamn.

Let's Chop Cats!
11-12-2004, 05:01 PM
That Snakebite/FTD/RJ show is on the 27th right?

Let's Chop Cats!
11-12-2004, 05:05 PM
Someone needs to buy the Casey Jones split with Traitor and find a way to put it on their PC so I can download it from them.

CONNER_NWHC
11-12-2004, 05:05 PM
No one has it on Soulseek?

Let's Chop Cats!
11-12-2004, 05:07 PM
Nope, it's vinyl and most people don't put vinyls on their pc.

CONNER_NWHC
11-12-2004, 05:11 PM
Do you think emailing casey jones would make them come to my city?

young, loud and andrew
11-12-2004, 05:11 PM
Apparently Casey Jones just signed to Eulogy...

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-12-2004, 05:12 PM
Buy it?

Let's Chop Cats!
11-12-2004, 05:13 PM
I don't have a player. Otherwise I would have a long time ago.

Feel The Darkness
11-12-2004, 05:49 PM
Someone needs to buy the Casey Jones split with Traitor and find a way to put it on their PC so I can download it from them.

record to tape from turntable, record to cd from tape using cd burner, upload to pc...i wish i had the equipment for this process, but i do know how to do it...so if ye find these item for a cheap price its a pretty good investment...hehe

Bitburger
11-12-2004, 05:57 PM
This sucks I got banned on my mx birthday.

CONNER_NWHC
11-12-2004, 05:58 PM
How much do record players cost?

Let's Chop Cats!
11-12-2004, 06:02 PM
record to tape from turntable, record to cd from tape using cd burner, upload to pc...i wish i had the equipment for this process, but i do know how to do it...so if ye find these item for a cheap price its a pretty good investment...heheI know how, I just don't own a record player.
How much do record players cost?Depends, 50-150ish.

40 oz 2 freedom
11-12-2004, 06:03 PM
This sucks I got banned on my mx birthday.

Who are you?

CONNER_NWHC
11-12-2004, 06:04 PM
I know how, I just don't own a record player.
Depends, 50-150ish.
Where can you buy them?

40 oz 2 freedom
11-12-2004, 06:05 PM
www.ebay.com

Feel The Darkness
11-12-2004, 06:38 PM
i found one on ebay for $10...gotta love that ebay

One-Eighty-Two
11-12-2004, 07:05 PM
I'd just like to state that, if you want to find out a band's genre. Go on their site or search with Search Engines for quotes by the band or one of it's members stating the genre or the style they consider themselves to be..

40 oz 2 freedom
11-12-2004, 07:07 PM
Lots of bands call themselves hardcore. Lots of bands are not hardcore.

cbmartinez
11-12-2004, 07:24 PM
I'd just like to state that, if you want to find out a band's genre. Go on their site or search with Search Engines for quotes by the band or one of it's members stating the genre or the style they consider themselves to be..

A) Most bands try not to classify themselves

B) You like Blink182, faggot

C) Blink182 call themselves punk. Does that mean they are punk?


In this video in Driver's Ed today, they had a dangerous intersection in Irvine, CA. It was hot.

cbmartinez
11-12-2004, 07:39 PM
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104917

That thread is pretty disgusting/hilarious. Except some kid calls Thrice nu-metal. :angry:

hardcorelogo30
11-12-2004, 08:03 PM
check this site: BLACK MY HEART (http://www.purevolume.com/blackmyheart)
they list these guys as hardcore. meh. just wanna see if your gonna bitch about it. lol \m/.
good thread btw. now i can just copy and forward the link to all those who are confused with music genres..







**Decided to bring this into the Punk Forum. If it turns into a spam/agrument thread then close it as soon as possible. It's meant for education and actual discussion.


This is for those of you who throw around the the phrase hardcore far too often.

Metalcore is often mistaken for Hardcore on these boards. Here's the difference.

Hardcore is punk influenced music that sometimes has a heavier sound and sometime's doesn't. It sometimes have breakdowns and some don't, this depends more on the age of the band. Some are straight edge, some aren't. But most have honest sincere lyrics about issues that they themselves face.

Metalcore is obviously metal influenced and because they're of this there is more complexity in the writings of guitar, more noted riffs added to it than hardcore has.. Some say that it has punk influences...but that depends on what band you are talking about. Metalcore has a lot of breakdowns, most of which have the "JUN JUN JUN" sound which some double bass. Metalcore was a lot better a couple years ago before more and more band's started learning that you can tune into drop-C, use only thin picks, and get a drummer who knows his double bass.

Hardcore bands:
Blood For Blood, Chain Of Strength, American Nightmare, Death Threat, Judge, Gorilla Biscuits, 7 Seconds, Champion, Count Me Out, Carry On, Terror

Metalcore bands:
Hatebreed, 100 Demons, Bury Your Dead, Black My Heart, On Broken Wings, Hoods, North Side Kings, Walls Of Jericho, Clenched Fist

MORE BY SK8SKANJ

Grindcore in its purest form consisted of short, apocalyptic blasts of noise played on standard heavy metal instrumentation (distorted guitar, bass, drums). Although grindcore wasn't just randomly improvised, it certainly didn't follow conventional structure, either; while riffs could sometimes be picked out, pure grindcore never featured verses, choruses, or even melodies. Grindcore vocals sounded torturous, ranging from high-pitched shrieks to low, throat-shredding growls and barks; although the lyrics were usually quite verbose, they were very rarely intelligible. Some bands in this catagory can also be known as Mathcore. Meaning they're more complex in the musical writings.

Grindcore bands:
Napalm Death, Dillinger Escape Plan, Death, Carcass, The Locust, The Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza, **** and Ball Torture, Pig Destroyer, Agoraphobic Nosebleed...

Emo style has become broader over the years. In the beginning, these bands consisted mostly of people who played in hardcore punk bands, got burned out its limited forms, and moved to a guitar-oriented, midtempo rock-based sound with emotional punk vocals (i.e., no posed soulful crooning like pop music). The central aspect here is the guitars - distorted, strummed mostly in duo unison, with occasional catchy riff highlights. This becomes known as the classic "D.C. sound," along with the octave chords that show up in later "emo" music. Later bands bring in more pop elements, like catchy-riff based songs, pop song structures (listen to Jawbreaker's "Chesterfield King" to illustrate this), and less-punk, more-smoothly-sung high-register singing (less yelling, straining, throatiness). Listen to Elliot or Chamberlain for an example of how alternative-pop this music has become. Yet those bands are undeniably still emocore. Also note most emo bands play Gibson Les Paul guitars, with a few SGs, and use mostly Marshall JCM-800 amps...Emo has recently evolved into something more complex since the D.C. era. Bands have adopted to more obscure lyrics along with intricate riffs and interesting vocals.

Emo bands:
Rites of Spring, Embrace, Gray Matter, Ignition, Dag Nasty, Monsula, Fugazi kind of, Fuel, Samiam, Jawbreaker, Hot Water Music, Elliot, Friction, Soulside, early Lifetime, Split Lip/Chamberlain, Kerosene 454

Post-Hardcore
In the early-to-mid '80s, several bands in the United States came to life that were inspired by the do-it-yourself ethics and the cathartic, guitar-heavy material characterized by the hardcore punk bands that predated them. These newer bands, termed post-hardcore, often found complex and dynamic ways of blowing off steam that generally went outside the strict hardcore realm of "loud fast rules." These bands often used more than three chords and they also creatively built and released tension rather than airing their dirty laundry in short, sharp, frenetic bursts. Additionally, many of these bands' vocalists were just as likely to deliver their lyrics with a whispered croon as they were a maniacal yelp. Along with Hüsker Dü, Naked Raygun was one of the first U.S. post-punk bands of the early '80s that merged melodic influences with punk/hardcore. These were the first two bands (Husker and Naked Raygun) in 1981. With other bands in the Chicago scene such as the Effigies, Breaking Circus and Man Sized Action followed by later bands such as Fugazi, Quicksand, Dag Nasty and Mission Of Burma. Another important influence on many of these bands was U.K. post-punk from the late '70s and early '80s; Gang of Four, Public Image Limited, Joy Division, and Wire played a significant role in many of the bands' musical growth.

cbmartinez
11-12-2004, 08:09 PM
They're metalcore. I dig it. Purevolume doens't have metalcore for a genre yet. They could have put metal/hardcore, though.

shane italian
11-12-2004, 08:20 PM
check this site: BLACK MY HEART (http://www.purevolume.com/blackmyheart)
they list these guys as hardcore. meh. just wanna see if your gonna bitch about it. lol \m/.
good thread btw. now i can just copy and forward the link to all those who are confused with music genres..Yeah, Black My Heart are a good example of metalcore.

shane italian
11-12-2004, 08:21 PM
A) Most bands try not to classify themselves

B) You like Blink182, faggot

C) Blink182 call themselves punk. Does that mean they are punk?


In this video in Driver's Ed today, they had a dangerous intersection in Irvine, CA. It was hot.Awesome! We have a lot of bad traffic for a suburb. Do you know the streets by chance?

cbmartinez
11-12-2004, 08:23 PM
Something Lake Road. There's a tiny memorial on the divider where the kid's car got smashed. His name was like Scott Baker or something.

shane italian
11-12-2004, 08:25 PM
Something Lake Road. There's a tiny memorial on the divider where the kid's car got smashed. His name was like Scott Baker or something.My computer repair teacher told us about that kid and what happened. Sucks. I don't live in the that area though...but I still have to deal with all the Asian drivers.

cbmartinez
11-12-2004, 08:30 PM
Hahaha, Asians. I bet all the scene kids go through red lights and say, "I'm too hardcore for red lights."

My friend swears that he saw a kid get hit my car, get knocked down and then get up and say, "I'm too hardcore for brokenlegs." He swears it happened but I don't beleive it.

shane italian
11-12-2004, 08:34 PM
Hahaha, Asians. I bet all the scene kids go through red lights and say, "I'm too hardcore for red lights."

My friend swears that he saw a kid get hit my car, get knocked down and then get up and say, "I'm too hardcore for brokenlegs." He swears it happened but I don't beleive it.When I was in drivers ed, my teacher swore he hit an armadillo that levetated after he hit it...that guy was weird.

Anxious
11-12-2004, 08:34 PM
whats Unearth considered?

obese_breasts
11-12-2004, 08:35 PM
Actually I heard that armadillos jump when the see cars or anything coming towards them , cause when a wolf or something come they can jump over them, but not with cars.

obese_breasts
11-12-2004, 08:36 PM
whats Unearth considered?

Metalcore, if I am not mistaken?

Anxious
11-12-2004, 08:40 PM
Metalcore, if I am not mistaken?
probaly, they sound like it

Johnny EPHC
11-12-2004, 08:40 PM
mmm
where can i hear comeback kid on the net
Contact me on AIM and I can send you some of their stuff. xskammunistx

cbmartinez
11-12-2004, 08:48 PM
My driver's ed teacher is a 70 year old butch woman who basically teaches us that even if we follow the rules of the road, we are going to die. Today her exact words were, "Your lucky you made it to school safe today, you don't know if you're going to make it home today alive." Everyday she tells us three or four accidents she saw/clipped out of the paper. Yesterday, a truck full of sheep crashed and splattered chicken and sheep all over the highway. She told us one story of a cop who his a pole so hard, that they can't find enough of his brain to to a toxicology test. Also, a resident 200 feet away found something on his fence the next day. It was the cop's intestine. I have doubts about ever going in a car after some days of her class.

young, loud and andrew
11-12-2004, 09:12 PM
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104917

That thread is pretty disgusting/hilarious. Except some kid calls Thrice nu-metal. :angry:

oh my god. my post in there is ridiculous. i had absolutely no idea what i was talking about. :lol:

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-12-2004, 09:53 PM
oh my god. my post in there is ridiculous. i had absolutely no idea what i was talking about. :lol:
I was going to point that out...

shane italian
11-12-2004, 10:03 PM
I was going to point that out...Don't hate.

young, loud and andrew
11-12-2004, 10:05 PM
I was going to point that out...


hahaha.


let's hope no one digs up my posts from when i was first here: i was HUGE on drive-thru when i came here in '02.

Moral of the story: we all start somewhere.



on another note--minus the bear aren't hardcore but i'm mentioning them here anyway. i just bougth highly refined pirates, and i'm thoroughly enjoying it. they are a very cool band.

Happymeal
11-12-2004, 10:06 PM
I'd just like to ask for recommendations for bands that sound like JR Ewing, as I'm liking them a lot right now. Thanks:)

cbmartinez
11-12-2004, 10:08 PM
I thought JR Ewing is a rapper.

cbmartinez
11-12-2004, 10:14 PM
Dude, check out this hot edge band.

http://www.purevolume.com/afropirate

CONNER_NWHC
11-12-2004, 10:23 PM
http://www.purevolume.com/bluemonday

Everyone needs to here this band. Great hardcore from Vancouver.

A-Life-Less-Plagued
11-12-2004, 10:24 PM
http://www.purevolume.com/bluemonday

Everyone needs to here this band. Great hardcore from Vancouver.
Yes. And did you check out Go It Alone?