Hardcore Community Thread

[BuddyBigsby]

CD? Psh, I'm gettin' the vinyl foo. *racks up scene points*

[REINER]

Haha, I never buy vinyls. Mainly because I don't have a player for it.

[NewKindofArmy03]

i want a player for when bands release stuff on just vinyl, but i don't have one either.

[BuddyBigsby]

I have one, but it's hooked up to my main stereo system, which is in the living room. Therefore, I can only listen to my vinyl when nobody's home. When I'm all alone though, A Life Once Lost and Neil Perry rule that shiz.

[BuddyBigsby]

Everyone listen now.

http://www.goodfellowrecords.com/MAIN/main-frameset.html

[Happymeal]

:eek:

owwwsuhhm

/me hopes it'll be released in Canada

[sk8ig666]

interesting

[shane italian]

Casey Jones in two weeks.

[REINER]

Damn you. They need to come to NJ directly after they play there.

[NewKindofArmy03]

i heard they're doing an east coast tour. i heard this a while ago, and it was just a rumor i think.

[prettyvacant]

Who here likes that one genre of music... Oh what is it...
Well, forgot the name of it.

[NewKindofArmy03]

thank you for that wise contribution.

[nothing6]

Everyone listen now.

http://www.goodfellowrecords.com/MAIN/main-frameset.html
mmm, this is yummy.

[BuddyBigsby]

:eek:

owwwsuhhm

/me hopes it'll be released in Canada

Well that record label is based in Canada, so...

[BuddyBigsby]

Casey Jones in two weeks.

*high five*

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Lucky ducky.

[Gotkookie]

I wanna see a hXc band, any hXc band, but NOOOO, I live in HAWAII!!!!

Me and my friends may start a hXc band or metalcore/screamo band. Something kinda like The number twelve looks like you, mixed with the outros of Between the buried and me.

[Happymeal]

Well that record label is based in Canada, so...

Muwahahahaha

*the power*

[Happymeal]

Oh, and Fordirelifesake's cover of Love Song really weirds me out.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

*bump*

I'm not too big a fan of Fordirelifesake.

[syrUsbilt]

I wanna see a hXc band, any hXc band, but NOOOO, I live in HAWAII!!!!

Me and my friends may start a hXc band or metalcore/screamo band. Something kinda like The number twelve looks like you, mixed with the outros of Between the buried and me.

I purposely didnt see converge live so I wouldnt have to be anywhere near that horrible band known as between the buried and me. **** that band.

on a nicer note

blacklisted kicks it.

[AndHagan3]

What a awesome bananna. Its got attitude.

[REINER]

blacklisted kicks it.Back and Forth is the best song ever.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

I just heard Blacklisted a few days ago. They rock my anus.

[syrUsbilt]

Back and Forth is the best song ever.

I like Crossed Fingers and 3800.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Back and Forth is the best song ever.
yeah, i played that song for an hour straight when i first heard it. i love blacklisted, i want want a full-length! the split with first blood has like 2 songs from each band and it's only on vinyl i think.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Well fellas, I'm off to see Bannon & Co.

[NewKindofArmy03]

have fun, i really hope i go to that show here.

[NewKindofArmy03]

yet another good show this month: merauder and agents of man 10/22.

[BuddyBigsby]

*waits anxiously for the blacklisted / First Blood split*

[cbmartinez]

www.purevolume.com/underminded

[Happymeal]

www.purevolume.com/sadaharu

[REINER]

Throwdown is next Wensday. I don't think I'll be able to go.

[cbmartinez]

Where at?

[REINER]

Nyc

[cbmartinez]

Oh. Not probable for me.

I just listened to "Black Cloud." It's pretty different from Jane Doe but still very impressive. Is it supposed to have like that TV announcer guy over the music at some points?

[REINER]

Umm, I don't remember that part, but then again I got the album like 2 months ago and haven't heard that peticular song since about then.

[Happymeal]

You Fail Me(the song) is very nice. Sort of like a ballad, Converge style. Haven't listened much to the other songs on the album when I got hooked on it:p

[syrUsbilt]

Oh. Not probable for me.

I just listened to "Black Cloud." It's pretty different from Jane Doe but still very impressive. Is it supposed to have like that TV announcer guy over the music at some points?

That is my favorite song on that album, just because its so aggressive.

[cbmartinez]

Yeah, the screaming has improved a bit and the shouting in unison gives it that agression.

[dropkickstreetpunk]

grindcore bands:
daughters
dillenger esc. plan
as the sun sets
love lost but not forgotten

[syrUsbilt]

grindcore bands:
daughters
dillenger esc. plan
as the sun sets
love lost but not forgotten

none of those are real grind, just influenced.

[young, loud and andrew]

Throwdown is next Wensday. I don't think I'll be able to go.


You need to come to CBGB's in a few Sundays for Most Precious Blood, Anterrabae, and The Backup Plan.

[REINER]

What date? I might have soccer. Also I've spent so much money on shows this month so I'd have to see if I can afford it.

Go to Bouncing Souls/AVail/D4/Strike Anywhere next Friday (10-15)

[Silvermedalmafia]

Soccer, lame excuse for missing a concert.

[REINER]

Haha. I'm going to minimum of like 5 shows this month.

[syrUsbilt]

What date? I might have soccer. Also I've spent so much money on shows this month so I'd have to see if I can afford it.

Go to Bouncing Souls/AVail/D4/Strike Anywhere next Friday (10-15)

Avail AND STRIKE ANYWHERE?

:tear: making my city proud...

and soccer = best excuse for missing a show.

[Silvermedalmafia]

Haha. I'm going to minimum of like 5 shows this month.
bastard, i go to maybe 2-3 a year. No transportation, plus its expensive as I have to go over to Vancouver. And to syrus, soccer n'est pas the best excuse for missing a show. hockey is.

[REINER]

Crazy Canuck.
I average a show like once or twice a month. This includes local shows too.

This show is going to be the best thing that has ever happened in my life.

[Silvermedalmafia]

See, I have no car. I have about a year before I can drive without an adult legally. I live in a town of 4000, and punk to most of them is good Charlotte. The nearest good shows go like this....
1/2 hour drive
2 hour ferry, with car costs 40$
1/2 hour drive to grammas.
1/2-1 hour drive to wherever show is.

[BuddyBigsby]

I usually go to 1 or 2 shows a week.

[/scenester]

[Silvermedalmafia]

Yeah, but how many shows go on within half an hour of you during a week?

[BuddyBigsby]

All.

[Jaded]

Can someone please quick tell me what the difference between Hardcore and Metalcore is?

[listerine ice cream]

First post of the thread. Or to make it easier on you, http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3471857&postcount=1

[Gotkookie]

You Fail Me(the song) is very nice. Sort of like a ballad, Converge style. Haven't listened much to the other songs on the album when I got hooked on it:p
You fail me is a great song, but its too slow.

[Gotkookie]

Haha. I'm going to minimum of like 5 shows this month.
5!!!, here your lucky to find 1

[ANewKindOfArmy]

wut catagory would death by stereo fall into?

[shane italian]

Hardcore

[BuddyBigsby]

You fail me is a great song, but its too slow.

There's no rule that says songs have to be fast. *blasts Neurosis*

[Gotkookie]

No, I mean just where they put it on the cd, makes it seem like it lasts forever....

[BuddyBigsby]

That's the beauty of it. At first I thought it should've been the last track, but then someone told me that would've been too Jane Doe-ish, and upon further thought, I agree.

[Gotkookie]

Did you know they had You fail me years ago, just never packaged it, I saw the 2002 tour on the dvd, and they played you fail me.

[BuddyBigsby]

Yeah, I knew that the song had been around, but I never got the DVD and was never able to get my hands on the .mp3 floating around on Soulseek, so I didn't hear it until the album came out.

[Gotkookie]

Idk it seems like it takes forever, I guess because the way "Last light" and "Black cloud" are so fast and chaotic, it seems like "You fail me" takes forever. They should have put "You fail me" after "Last light"

[Emocorekid74]

does anybody know some good hardcore/emo bands

[Emocorekid74]

Does anybody here like Avenged Sevenfold

[cbmartinez]

I like them.

[MILF Hunter]

does anybody know some good hardcore/emo bands


How about you read through the thread nobhead, Thats the whole point of it

[40 oz 2 freedom]

This just in!

Converge = Best Live Band Ever

[Gotkookie]

This just in!

Converge = Best Live Band Ever
Your slow :p

[Happymeal]

*gots the TFoT fever again*

[cbmartinez]

.hopesfall.- A Types out November 2nd.

Satellite Years is so ****ing epic.

[listerine ice cream]

I'd like them a lot more if it wasn't christian lyrics.

I know that their older stuff was christian, but their latest one, that isn't christian, is it?

[Gotkookie]

Ive been listening to hopesfall for over a year! Poser :p

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Year and a half for me...

BOO YA!

[Gotkookie]

Year and a half for me...

BOO YA!
I got pwned :upset:

[Silvermedalmafia]

So yeah, some pop punk band called Kiros came to my school today. I am going to kill the guitarist and take his paul. My drummer is going to kill their drummer and take his kit, and my teacher who plays bass (really cool guy) is going to get the bass.

[REINER]

Can I play the cow bell?

[AndHagan3]

Oh, I'm so hot and sweaty. Night time b-ball games really take it out of you.

[Silvermedalmafia]

Can I play the cow bell?
You would have to audition. Do you have any prior cowbelling experience?

[Silvermedalmafia]

Oh, I'm so hot and sweaty. Night time b-ball games really take it out of you.
Is it from b-ball or is it from the shower afterwards?






Anyhoo, I am off to make some dinner before my hockey practise. Mashed potatoes and pork chops, an odd combo but i can make it work.

[REINER]

You would have to audition. Do you have any prior cowbelling experience?Yes, I played Cowbell for Bruce Springsteen.

[listerine ice cream]

Ive been listening to hopesfall for over a year! Poser :p

So, are they christian anymore?

[DFelon204409]

Ive been listening to hopesfall for over a year! Poser :p

lolz! joo r teh poser n00blet. i ben listenin to x.hopesfall.x for lik 2.5 years. omgx pwned!

[listerine ice cream]

:eek:!

[cbmartinez]

Why does it matter if they are Christian? I don't believe The Satellite Years is Christian.

[listerine ice cream]

Why does it matter if they are Christian? I don't believe The Satellite Years is Christian.

I don't believe in christianity, and I like to know the lyrics to songs.

[cbmartinez]

Not liking a band as much because their Christian is idiotic.

[listerine ice cream]

I just don't like the idea of religion with music. But hey, I like what I heard I admit, its just that I would like them BETTER if they didn't use religion in their lyrics.

I never said that I didn't like them, I just said I'd like them better.

[cbmartinez]

Their belief in Christianity is so strong that they can write beautiful songs and scream brutal lyrics all while "worshipping/respecting" God. I would respect and like a band more if they are able to do that. I find it very easy to draw inspiration from religion to write lyrics.

[listerine ice cream]

Their belief in Christianity is so strong that they can write beautiful songs and scream brutal lyrics all while "worshipping/respecting" God. I would respect and like a band more if they are able to do that. I find it very easy to draw inspiration from religion to write lyrics.

You have your reasons for liking it, and I'm sure they are better than my reasons for not. And thats cool.

[cbmartinez]

Word. :)

[listerine ice cream]

Like I said, I just don't like christianity in music, because I don't believe in it. But you know, its all tea. :cool:

[40 oz 2 freedom]

New topic.

Yesterday it was Caleb from Cave In's birthday. I helped sing happy birthday to him.

[cbmartinez]

Good job.

[AndHagan3]

Like I said, I just don't like christianity in music, because I don't believe in it. But you know, its all tea.

I dont care if they talk about christianity even though I dont believe in it.

[REINER]

Check them out. Local NJ band that broke up last year. Their songs range from Hardcore to Screamo to Post-Hardcore. I donno, it's weird but very good. You can find some mp3's on their site and I have 2 of their full lengths, so if you see me on soulseek hit it up.

http://www.535online.com/theassistant/

Mp3's for the Lazy
Humyn Capital (http://www.535online.com/theassistant/humyncapital.mp3)
People vs. the State (http://www.535online.com/theassistant/People.mp3)

[NewKindofArmy03]

not bad, i think other people will like it a lot more then me though.

[Silvermedalmafia]

Yes, I played Cowbell for Bruce Springsteen.
then you are in. I have listened to his work, and I realize that the cowbell for some of the songs is rather demanding, so you must rock out hard.

[BuddyBigsby]

I don't believe in christianity, and I like to know the lyrics to songs.

They were Christian on their first album The Frailty of Words when they had a different singer. The Satellite Years has a different singer and is not Christian.

[BuddyBigsby2]

Hahaha, I got banned for posting in a spam thread. Well, I've been here a year and never gotten banned. Guess it had to happen sooner or later.

[Gotkookie]

what thread was it?

[BuddyBigsby2]

In R/M. I forget the name of it, but some guy made a thread asking if he could make a thread advertising that thing to get a free iPod. I didn't even spam it that badly. Funny enough, the guy that posted the most in that thread didn't get banned, and yet I did.

[Gotkookie]

Can anyone explain to me what chugging is? I know its in a lot of metalcore.

[BuddyBigsby2]

Do you play guitar? Basically low-end palm muting.

DUN DUN DUN breakdowns = chugga chugga

[Gotkookie]

yeah, I play guitar, been playing for a year+

[Gotkookie]

How long you banned for?

[BuddyBigsby2]

1 Day. No biggie.

[Gotkookie]

ahh, not bad then, thats a little excessive still though, just for posting twice in a gay thread

[Gotkookie]

Christian lyrics dont bother me, I dont believe in a god, I just believe we are here, we are like numbers.... But anyway, I just like the music.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

*bump*

I'm seeing the Deftones tonight. Anyone one else in here like them?

[listerine ice cream]

They were Christian on their first album The Frailty of Words when they had a different singer. The Satellite Years has a different singer and is not Christian.

Awesome, I will avoid that album then.

[cbmartinez]

Well, get The Satellite Years, beacause it's an ****ing amazing album.

[listerine ice cream]

Well, get The Satellite Years, beacause it's an ****ing amazing album.

Will do since its not christian. :thumb:

[Gotkookie]

I dont get why christian lyrics bother you though. They dont bother me....

[listerine ice cream]

I'm lika motha f. That could be why.

[Happymeal]

I'm seeing the Deftones tonight. Anyone one else in here like them?

I love 'em.

/waiting for The Secret's debut

Why are my threads always ignored in R&M?? I understand The Fall of Troy, but Pelican and Godflesh?:upset:

[cbmartinez]

Check them out. Local NJ band that broke up last year. Their songs range from Hardcore to Screamo to Post-Hardcore. I donno, it's weird but very good. You can find some mp3's on their site and I have 2 of their full lengths, so if you see me on soulseek hit it up.

http://www.535online.com/theassistant/

Mp3's for the Lazy
Humyn Capital (http://www.535online.com/theassistant/humyncapital.mp3)
People vs. the State (http://www.535online.com/theassistant/People.mp3)

They broke up? Weird. They just released a split CD with Takaru and This Ship Will Sink.

[REINER]

This Ship Will Sink, has also broken up somewhat recently.

[cbmartinez]

Yeah, Takura and This Ship Will Sink are both reall amazing. I'll check out The Assistant soon.

[NewKindofArmy03]

some dates for the all else failed/ed gein tour are on all else failed's site now. i know they have new jersey date. they play here december 12th with set ablaze, it should be a good show.

[cbmartinez]

Yeah, you talk about them alot, so when they stop by the Hamilton Street Cafe, I might go.

[REINER]

Gay, they're playing on a Tuesday.
Yeah, you talk about them alot, so when they stop by the Hamilton Street Cafe, I might go.It's at Bloomfield Ave.

November 16th.

[NewKindofArmy03]

i don't even have many of their songs, but the songs i have rule and their live show was amazing.

[cbmartinez]

Gay, they're playing on a Tuesday.

At the Cafe?

[NewKindofArmy03]

ah, it's a sunday here. i thought it was a friday when i checked before.

[cbmartinez]

Check this out.

OCTOBER 23RD @ The Cricket Club in Irvington NJ, WEAREMETAL AND EXCESS DB PRESENT..
DEAD POETIC
(solid state records)
Anadivine
(the militia group)
Blacklisted
(stillborn records)
MORE TBA

You guys talk about Blacklisted alot.

[REINER]

Ed Gein played well at Hellfest and I wouldn't mind seeing them again. I havn't heard any All Else Failed yet.

[REINER]

Check this out.

OCTOBER 23RD @ The Cricket Club in Irvington NJ, WEAREMETAL AND EXCESS DB PRESENT..
DEAD POETIC
(solid state records)
Anadivine
(the militia group)
Blacklisted
(stillborn records)
MORE TBA

You guys talk about Blacklisted alot.PRIDEFEST!

The Breakout is playing that.....I think.

But the Cricket Club is in like the ghetto. Thats where the Terror/Unearth show was that got shut down due to FSU.

[cbmartinez]

Gay, they're playing on a Tuesday.
It's at Bloomfield Ave.

November 16th.

Your right. **** man. PsyOpus is playing there the day before. Terminally Your Aborted Ghost on Nov. 22 too.

[NewKindofArmy03]

i hear dead poetic are horrible, but i can't say since i never listened to them. i know death threat is playing a jersey show soon too.

[cbmartinez]

But the Cricket Club is in like the ghetto. Thats where the Terror/Unearth show was that got shut down due to FSU.

****, not good.

[REINER]

Thats where the Redline played their last show and the lead singer got mugged.

The Breakout is playing that Deaththreat show.

[cbmartinez]

I might wanna' go to PsyOpus though.

[NewKindofArmy03]

psyOpus are playing here sometime this month i think. if the other bands are good, i might go. i've seen them before with ed gein, they were good but i don't really like the music.

[cbmartinez]

Glasseater and Break The Silence are playing at Hamilton Street also.

[NewKindofArmy03]

http://www.ebullition.com/listFmail.html#a this site has so many cds to buy, the prices aren't bad either.

[REINER]

Awesome, to bad it's mail order. I'm way to lazy to go to the post office.

[cbmartinez]

Truth. :eek:

[NewKindofArmy03]

i'll send money in an envelope if they accept that. i have a mailbox around the corner.

[REINER]

Thats good. The problem is that it's most likely to get stolen. If I was a postman I would steal it.

Your bets bet is to get your parents to go to the bank and get you a money order.

[NewKindofArmy03]

my luck is so bad. i ordered the kid dynamite hoodie from jade tree and the next day get an email saying it's out of stock.

[AndHagan3]

It happens. Hoodies dont work on me. I have to skinny of wrists so I look like a 4 year old wearing his fathers clothing.

[cbmartinez]

God I love Throwdown. Upon first examination, their lyrics seem kinda cheesy and bad. But I've come to love them. Because it's all about knowing who your true friends are, and that's so hard for me right now.

[REINER]

They're playing in NYC on Wensday. I don't have the money to go :(

[cbmartinez]

Their shows must be ****in' nuts.

[Gotkookie]

They are, Watch out for them krews though... They need anti-krews!

[shane italian]

They are, Watch out for them krews though... They need anti-krews!Hahahahaha, Throwdown are in Klobber. The guys in the band don't do anything, they just hang out at Del Taco in Newport Beach and wait for people to come up and be like "OMG YOU'RE DAVE FROM THROWDOWN! YOU GUYS ROCK! I SAW YOU AT OZZFEST!"

[BuddyBigsby]

Hahahahaha, Throwdown are in Klobber. The guys in the band don't do anything, they just hang out at Del Taco in Newport Beach and wait for people to come up and be like "OMG YOU'RE DAVE FROM THROWDOWN! YOU GUYS ROCK! I SAW YOU AT OZZFEST!"

Dude, I think Del Taco is like the official Crew hangout. When that shiz went down with my buddies and that little crew, they told them to meet them at a Del Taco in Pomona or that they were pussies.

[tornpictures]

Hardcore is punk influenced music that sometimes has a heavier sound and sometime's doesn't. It sometimes have breakdowns and some don't, this depends more on the age of the band. Some are straight edge, some aren't. But most have honest sincere lyrics about issues that they themselves face.

Metalcore is obviously metal influenced and because they're of this there is more complexity in the writings of guitar, more noted riffs added to it than hardcore has.. Some say that it has punk influences...but that depends on what band you are talking about. Metalcore has a lot of breakdowns, most of which have the "JUN JUN JUN" sound which some double bass. Metalcore was a lot better a couple years ago before more and more band's started learning that you can tune into drop-C, use only thin picks, and get a drummer who knows his double bass.

Hardcore bands:
Blood For Blood, Chain Of Strength, American Nightmare, Death Threat, Judge, Gorilla Biscuits, 7 Seconds, Champion, Count Me Out, Carry On, Terror

Metalcore bands:
Hatebreed, 100 Demons, Bury Your Dead, Black My Heart, On Broken Wings, Hoods, North Side Kings, Walls Of Jericho, Clenched Fist

MORE

Grindcore in its purest form consisted of short, apocalyptic blasts of noise played on standard heavy metal instrumentation (distorted guitar, bass, drums). Although grindcore wasn't just randomly improvised, it certainly didn't follow conventional structure, either; while riffs could sometimes be picked out, pure grindcore never featured verses, choruses, or even melodies. Grindcore vocals sounded torturous, ranging from high-pitched shrieks to low, throat-shredding growls and barks; although the lyrics were usually quite verbose, they were very rarely intelligible. Some bands in this catagory can also be known as Mathcore. Meaning they're more complex in the musical writings.

Grindcore bands:
Napalm Death, Dillinger Escape Plan, Death, Carcass, The Locust, The Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza, **** and Ball Torture, Pig Destroyer, Agoraphobic Nosebleed...

Emo style has become broader over the years. In the beginning, these bands consisted mostly of people who played in hardcore punk bands, got burned out its limited forms, and moved to a guitar-oriented, midtempo rock-based sound with emotional punk vocals (i.e., no posed soulful crooning like pop music). The central aspect here is the guitars - distorted, strummed mostly in duo unison, with occasional catchy riff highlights. This becomes known as the classic "D.C. sound," along with the octave chords that show up in later "emo" music. Later bands bring in more pop elements, like catchy-riff based songs, pop song structures (listen to Jawbreaker's "Chesterfield King" to illustrate this), and less-punk, more-smoothly-sung high-register singing (less yelling, straining, throatiness). Listen to Elliot or Chamberlain for an example of how alternative-pop this music has become. Yet those bands are undeniably still emocore. Also note most emo bands play Gibson Les Paul guitars, with a few SGs, and use mostly Marshall JCM-800 amps...Emo has recently evolved into something more complex since the D.C. era. Bands have adopted to more obscure lyrics along with intricate riffs and interesting vocals.

Emo bands:
Rites of Spring, Embrace, Gray Matter, Ignition, Dag Nasty, Monsula, Fugazi kind of, Fuel, Samiam, Jawbreaker, Hot Water Music, Elliot, Friction, Soulside, early Lifetime, Split Lip/Chamberlain, Kerosene 454



There are a couple of different 'hardcore' scenes.
One sprang from the DC hardcore/emo/'screamo' scene and now features stuff like Yaphet Kotto, etc.. more screamo-ish bands.. Based on DIY ethics, labels: Ebullition, Level Plane, Mountain, Hand.Held.Heart, Witching Hour.
Lyrics about politics/ personal issues.

The other one is more CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA, with barrels, sing-alongs, mosh pits. Bands include The Dead Scenestars, maybe Blood for Blood etc.
Kind of straight-edge-ish stuff. Lyrics are about being stabbed in the back by friends, mostly.

There's also the 'commercial' hardcore on Victory and Revelation records, but I'm not going to go into that too much.. they act like major lables, but try to keep their image 'true' and 'hardcore.' As if we're falling for that, hah!


Grind is spot on... Grind stuff is Agoraphobic Nosebleed, Daughters, Pig Destroyer, NOT Dillinger Escape Plan.


Emo..

I'd have to disagree with your description of emo. The bands you mentioned (apart from Rites of Spring and Embrace) aren't really emo bands. Emo bands did the tense build-up songs which climaxed at the end. Unlinke modern 'emo' bands, the emotion was real.
Bands sometimes cried at shows, fell down alot, etc.
Also strictly D.I.Y.

Bands: Still Life, Embassy, Navio Forge, Native Nod, Allure, Driftwood.


I hope this cleared some stuff up.

[vexedandglorius]

sorry for being a noob, but 117 pages is alittle much to go through. I was wonder where avenged sevenfold would fall. their last album seemed more metal, but Sounding the Seventh Trumpet was a 'grab bag' ranging from hardcore to **** rock to heavy metal. so where would you put them?

[tornpictures]

If I remember correctly, they're kinda metalcore..

Chugga-chugga-chugga double-bass drum?
Chunky guitars?
Roared vocals?

[RevengeOfTheVillageIdiot]

climaxed at the end. Unlinke modern 'emo' bands, the emotion was real.
Bands sometimes cried at shows, fell down alot, etc.



BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :lol:

[Gotkookie]

Grind is spot on... Grind stuff is Agoraphobic Nosebleed, Daughters, Pig Destroyer, NOT Dillinger Escape Plan.




No none of thats grind. They are grind influenced metalcore. Grind is heavier, it usually sounds a lot like death metal. Check out Napalm deaths old stuff for a good example. Its pretty much just noise. The screams/growls usually sound demonic or posessed of some sort. I dig it :thumb:

[tornpictures]

RevengeOfTheVillageIdiot- After being on this board for about an hour (and about a year before that.,. my username got lost), I now know not to pay any attention to you.

You're one of the kids that will always stay listening to MTV stuff, because you're too closed-minded to accept recommendations from other people.

[Happymeal]

Anyone here heard of Sadaharu?

[REINER]

Those commercial hardcore band syour talking about.... do you mean fashioncore bands like Eighteen Vision, Atreyu and the such?

[tornpictures]

fashionXcore.

Totally.

I'm just atlking about most stuff on Revelation and Victory.

[REINER]

Most of that stuff is bad metalcore.

[tornpictures]

So true.

[young, loud and andrew]

Most of that stuff is bad metalcore.


I'm not afraid to admit I like a lot of the generic metalcore bands. Atreyu, A7X, It Dies Today, etc. all get as much rotation in my cd player as Champion, Gorilla Biscuits, Comeback Kid, Minor Threat, With Honor, etc.



Also, do you any of you like Love Is Red? I downloaded their cd a few weeks ago, and it's pretty good. Sort of a mix between Terror, Shai Hulud, and youth crew.

[cbmartinez]

Love Is Red is playing around here in November.

[REINER]

I like the bad metalcore too, just real metalcore is alot better.

Love is Red is horrible on CD, but good live. I've seen them twice.

[shane italian]

Dude, I think Del Taco is like the official Crew hangout. When that shiz went down with my buddies and that little crew, they told them to meet them at a Del Taco in Pomona or that they were pussies.Yeah dude, my friends just hang out at Del Taco in Irvine and wait for kids to talk s'hit on them so them so they can fight.

[Gotkookie]

I like the bad metalcore too, just real metalcore is alot better.

Love is Red is horrible on CD, but good live. I've seen them twice.
Real metalcore? Like what?

[shane italian]

Real metalcore? Like what?Hatebreed, Sworn Enemy, Black My Heart, 100 Demons, Bury Your Dead, Hoods...

[Gotkookie]

what makes it real?

[tornpictures]

Metalcore is just another fad.

[shane italian]

what makes it real?50% Metal, 50% Hardcore

[shane italian]

Metalcore is just another fad.And so are Level Plane bands.
:)

[Gotkookie]

And so are Level Plane bands.
:)
I like level plane :upset:

[tornpictures]

And so are Level Plane bands.
:)

True.

Can't deny the power of LickGoldenSky, though.

[young, loud and andrew]

I like the bad metalcore too, just real metalcore is alot better.

Love is Red is horrible on CD, but good live. I've seen them twice.

I think they are touring with Strung Out and Saosin in November. I don't think I'll be able to go though.

[shane italian]

There are a couple of different 'hardcore' scenes.
One sprang from the DC hardcore/emo/'screamo' scene and now features stuff like Yaphet Kotto, etc.. more screamo-ish bands.. Based on DIY ethics, labels: Ebullition, Level Plane, Mountain, Hand.Held.Heart, Witching Hour.
Lyrics about politics/ personal issues. All I have to say is...NO!

The other one is more CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA, with barrels, sing-alongs, mosh pits. Bands include The Dead Scenestars, maybe Blood for Blood etc.
Kind of straight-edge-ish stuff. Lyrics are about being stabbed in the back by friends, mostly.Blood for Blood aren't Chugga band, I don't know how you got the idea.

There's also the 'commercial' hardcore on Victory and Revelation records, but I'm not going to go into that too much.. they act like major lables, but try to keep their image 'true' and 'hardcore.' As if we're falling for that, hah!
And this is the biggie. You, my friend, must be an idiot.

Revelation contributed and still contributes to the hardcore scene. Ever heard of Judge, Bold, Fastbreak, or Gorilla Biscuits?

Victory Records may have Taking Back Sunday and Darkest Hour, but they helped keep hardcore alive. Reach The Sky, Bad Brains, Blood For Blood, A:18, NIV, Buried Alive...etc.

You didn't clear s'hit up.

[tornpictures]

They used to be big in the hardcore scene, putting out good stuff, etc.

Nowadays, they ain't ****. Totally played out.

I never said Blood for Blood were a 'chugga band,' I said maybe, and MORE chugga.

And what's the 'NO!' about in the top?

[shane italian]

They used to be big in the hardcore scene, putting out good stuff, etc.

Nowadays, they ain't ****. Totally played out.

I never said Blood for Blood were a 'chugga band,' I said maybe, and MORE chugga.

And what's the 'NO!' about in the top?The first paragraph had bands and labels that have nothing to do with hardcore.

[tornpictures]

Hahaha!

Go give yourself a big high five, because you just made yourself look like a complete idiot!

[shane italian]

Hahaha!

Go give yourself a big high five, because you just made yourself look like a complete idiot!Really now, I don't know of one band in that paragraph you mentioned that embodies the hardcor spirit.

Please go on, and listen to your pretentions Level Plane bands.

[TheNowhereman42]

tornpictures is really annoying

[Gotkookie]

Yeah he is annoying, I dont understand whats wrong with level plan :upset:

[shane italian]

Yeah he is annoying, I dont understand whats wrong with level plan :upset:Nothing is wrong with Level Plane actually. They just aren't hawdcowa.

[Gotkookie]

Nothing is wrong with Level Plane actually. They just aren't hawdcowa.
yeah, not hardcore, I like them though. :cool:

[cbmartinez]

Level Plane is one of the greatest labels out there. tornpictures is getting on my nerves. He kinda reminds me of someone...

(DeadTommorrow)

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Last night at Deftones I got a pleasant surprise. Dredg!

[Happymeal]

Last night at Deftones I got a pleasant surprise. Dredg!

Dredg?!?!

/jealous

I'm so digging Goodfellow Records' bands.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Yeah, I had no idea they were gonna play.

[cbmartinez]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5014432

Poison The Well- Tear From The Red

If anyone cares.

[REINER]

Saturday November 20th
@ the Bloomfield Ave Cafe
in Montclair NJ

MENTAL
BLACKLISTED
RIGHTEOUS JAMS
GET REAL
IRON BOOTS
LITTLE RASCALS
COLD WORLD

[shane italian]

Cold War are playing on Halloween with Terror, Day Of Contempt, It Dies Today, Donnybrook, and Martyr AD.

And Novembver 6th is:
100 Demons
Cast Aside
Everyman 4 Himself
Life And Death
Donnybrook

And most of you know about the show about to grace me in a week.

[BuddyBigsby]

Cold War are playing on Halloween with Terror, Day Of Contempt, It Dies Today, Donnybrook, and Martyr AD.

And Novembver 6th is:
100 Demons
Cast Aside
Everyman 4 Himself
Life And Death
Donnybrook

And most of you know about the show about to grace me in a week.

Duuuude.

Call me a gay, but I'm debating skipping on the Terror Halloween show for the Poison the Well Halloween show... and skipping 100 Demons for Neurosis.

[shane italian]

Duuuude.

Call me a gay, but I'm debating skipping on the Terror Halloween show for the Poison the Well Halloween show... and skipping 100 Demons for Neurosis.I won't be at Terror. My mom wants me to goto my aunt's for halloween. But I have enough shows to please me.

[BuddyBigsby]

*just read up on todays posts*

Hahaha, you guys are such dicks. tornpictures was all nice and humble about his opinions and then he got torn apart.

[shane italian]

The man said Revelation and Victory basically suck. He had it coming.

[BuddyBigsby]

Eh, I don't know, something about him. He seemed too kind.

[shane italian]

Hahaha!

Go give yourself a big high five, because you just made yourself look like a complete idiot!I was expecting "Yess'm"

[Faith No Doubt]

What about Rites Of Spring? They were hardcore, but responsible for the emo genre too

[cbmartinez]

Call me a gay, but I'm debating skipping on the Terror Halloween show for the Poison the Well Halloween show

Do it.

[tornpictures]

Everyone likes Victory and Revelation here?

****.

Their ethics just plain suck.. remember what Victory did to Thursday a while ago??

To all you fashionxcore kids (you know who you are.).. I reckon I've been in the scene 5+ years longer than you have, so shut the **** up, I've dealt with your type before.
'Oh yeah totally, I know what screamo is, you don't.' **** you.

Next month you'll be wearing scarves and listening to shoegaze or some ****.

[cbmartinez]

Victory didn't ruin Thursday. Island did.

[shane italian]

Everyone likes Victory and Revelation here?

****.

Their ethics just plain suck.. remember what Victory did to Thursday a while ago??

To all you fashionxcore kids (you know who you are.).. I reckon I've been in the scene 5+ years longer than you have, so shut the **** up, I've dealt with your type before.
'Oh yeah totally, I know what screamo is, you don't.' **** you.

Next month you'll be wearing scarves and listening to shoegaze or some ****.Yeah, Victory isn't all that great now. But they still put out some good stuff (A:18, Hoods, Blood For Blood...). But Revelation still keeps me happy.

[listerine ice cream]

Victory didn't ruin Thursday. Island did.

Thats correct.

[REINER]

Victory was home to Earth Crisis, how much hardcore can you get?

[listerine ice cream]

Victory was home to Earth Crisis, how much hardcore can you get?

Yes yes, true.

[NewKindofArmy03]

and ALL OUT WAR.

[tornpictures]

Victory didn't ruin Thursday. Island did.

That's not what I'm talking about.

Victory put some 'fine text' in the contract (I think 'signing' bands in hardcore is ****ing stupid, but that's beside the point) that if they left Victory, they'd have to leave for a bigger label. THat's ****ed up.


And Earth Crisis ****ing SUCK.
"How much more hardcore can you get" what the **** man, you don't know ****.

[RevengeOfTheVillageIdiot]

thursday signed it, their fault

[tornpictures]

It's just one of those stupid "No, we don't want you to go" things.

Anyway, to change the discussion: What do you think of 'signing' bands to a label in punk rock / hardcore?

[shane italian]

That's not what I'm talking about.

Victory put some 'fine text' in the contract (I think 'signing' bands in hardcore is ****ing stupid, but that's beside the point) that if they left Victory, they'd have to leave for a bigger label. THat's ****ed up.


And Earth Crisis ****ing SUCK.
"How much more hardcore can you get" what the **** man, you don't know ****.Sounds like that whole ordeal is Thursday's fault for leaving.

And "signing" bands in hardcore is not stupid. Look at Revelation, Indecision, Bridge Nine, Deathwish, Facedown, Thorp, etc.

[CommieCanada]

all that matters is that Thursday didnt break up

[REINER]

And Earth Crisis ****ing SUCK.
"How much more hardcore can you get" what the **** man, you don't know ****.Right.......Just because I like a band, I don't know ****.

[tornpictures]

Signing bands with contracts has no place in hardcore. Hardcore is a counter-culture, and what's the point of a counter-culture if it's just a mirror of the culture it's resisting?

Hardcore is against capitalism etc, well signing contracts is to keep a band on your label TO MAKE MORE MONEY, obviously.

[shane italian]

Signing bands with contracts has no place in hardcore. Hardcore is a counter-culture, and what's the point of a counter-culture if it's just a mirror of the culture it's resisting?

Hardcore is against capitalism etc, well signing contracts is to keep a band on your label TO MAKE MORE MONEY, obviously.Hardcore is not about resisting capatilism. Hardcore is about "stage dives and high fives".

Judge were on Revelation
Bold were on Revelation
Bad Brains were on Victory
Youth of Today were on Revelation
In My Eyes were on Revelation
Floorpunch were on Equal Vision
and on and on

[NewKindofArmy03]

Right.......Just because I like a band, I don't know ****.
the song "firestorm" rules.

[REINER]

Indeed it does. Their whole Firestorm era rules. Some of their newer (or what was new back when they were still together) isn't the best. But Firestorm freaking rules.

[xTrue till Deathx]

Signing bands with contracts has no place in hardcore. Hardcore is a counter-culture, and what's the point of a counter-culture if it's just a mirror of the culture it's resisting?

Hardcore is against capitalism etc, well signing contracts is to keep a band on your label TO MAKE MORE MONEY, obviously.HARDCORE IS ABOUT BEING EDGE YOU FAGGOT

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

HARDCORE IS ABOUT BEING EDGE YOU FAGGOT
:lol:

[RevengeOfTheVillageIdiot]

Signing bands with contracts has no place in hardcore. Hardcore is a counter-culture, and what's the point of a counter-culture if it's just a mirror of the culture it's resisting?

Hardcore is against capitalism etc, well signing contracts is to keep a band on your label TO MAKE MORE MONEY, obviously.


seriously, if you were in a band would you rather do all the work yourself, or just play, and have the label do everything else (pretty much)

[shane italian]

seriously, if you were in a band would you rather do all the work yourself, or just play, and have the label do everything else (pretty much)And about labels making money...the kid must not know how hard it is to work with about a dozen (if not more) touring bands. Money becomes a MAJOR issue.

[NewKindofArmy03]

HARDCORE IS ABOUT BEING EDGE YOU FAGGOT
i thought you said you quit claiming edge.

[xTrue till Deathx]

When I say Hardcore I don't mean corn fag and when you see 3 X's I ain't reading a porn mag. See you just confused like a gangsta with an organe rag. I'm watching the scene split up like a torn bag.

[NewKindofArmy03]

but all the fakers fall out taking the wrong route, and now kids wonder who im making this song 'bout.

[NewKindofArmy03]

i'm really digging count me out now, i need to get one of their cds.

[xTrue till Deathx]

The edge is strong with this one.

[shane italian]

see back then my mom thought all my friends were satanists
and now theyre not even my friends, theyre just acquaintances.

[REINER]

When I came home from coll-edge I was starting to rap,
Everybody was trading in their X's for cartons and packs.

[xTrue till Deathx]

The rest of these cats think weed, sex can help them get their steez back,
And they wonder where they keys at.

[shane italian]

Yall turn the red light on for a one night stand
Becoming whores for some empty Coors and Bud Light cans.

[mikewhat]

is tornpictures a joke poster or something?

[xTrue till Deathx]

Way to ruin in faggot!

[shane italian]

Nah, just a pretentious kid who thinks Saetia own the hc scene.

[nothing6]

what would Trophy Scars be considered?

[shane italian]

what would Trophy Scars be considered?I haven't heard them, but I think I heard someone say tech-metal? Don't listen to me though.

[nothing6]

i can tell there are screamo influences, but i wasn't sure if you guys had already discussed it and put them into a genre or not

[shane italian]

Check out the Emo/Screamo Thread in the Other Music forum. There's a lot of talk about them in there.

[cbmartinez]

i can tell there are screamo influences, but i wasn't sure if you guys had already discussed it and put them into a genre or not

Trophy Scars are emo/post-hardcore.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

www.setfirestudios.com/rb

[NewKindofArmy03]

i'm liking this.

[NewKindofArmy03]

the sheer terror reunion show comes on in 10 minutes in the cbgb live stream if anybody's interested.

[REINER]

I was just going to post that.

[NewKindofArmy03]

i wanted to see the one yesterday because subzero was playing too. i forgot about it though.

[Silvermedalmafia]

link, NOW.

[NewKindofArmy03]

http://www.cbgb.com/livestreams.htm

[REINER]

http://cbgb.com/livestreams.htm

Damnit, beaten to it.

[NewKindofArmy03]

it's the first one right? it's not working for me yet.

[Win A Rabbit]

what would rise against, senses fail, and the used be considered?

[REINER]

Doesn't work for me ether, I'm just going to assume they haven't started it yet. It says show starts at 5, but that may mean doors.

[REINER]

what would rise against, senses fail, and the used be considered?
Rise Against - Punk
Senses Fail - Pop-Rock
The Used - Pop-Rock

I've started calling bands Pop-Rock now, because these bands have zero association with punk.

[NewKindofArmy03]

yeah, i've always done that with bands like good charlotte and stuff. i either call them pop-rock or power pop.

[NewKindofArmy03]

early next year into spring is going to be the best for new cds.
death before dishonor
death by stereo
comeback kid
these days
paint it black
blacklisted/first blood split
strike anywhere comp.

i know i'm missing some stuff too.