Hardcore Community Thread

[listerine ice cream]

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[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

I think I'm gonna like the new NW album. I really like this new stuff. At first I heard it and I was like 'Jesus, this isn't NW', but it has definietely ****ing grown on me.

[NewKindofArmy03]

i've only heard their new stuff, and i didn't like it at all. i think they're touring with sevendust.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

i've only heard their new stuff, and i didn't like it at all. i think they're touring with sevendust.
Yeah they are. I heard their new stuff a while ago before I got the stuff in the mail, after I had joined the street team, and I didn't like it. But I'm listening to the sampler and it sounds great.

[BuddyBigsby]

I just got all my No Warning crap from the street team in the mail. The new stuff on the cds is actually a lot better than when I heard it before...

The two songs on Purevolume = Nu-metal

[NewKindofArmy03]

and they're the 2 songs i heard. everybody says their older stuff is good, i'll check it out tomorrow.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

The two songs on Purevolume = Nu-metal
You can't say there is no hardcore left in them. Those two songs are really good, nu-metal or not.

[cbmartinez]

The two songs on Purevolume = Nu-metal

Agreed.

*Listens To Across Five Aprils Instead*

[thatoneguy587]

guys check this out it is great copy and paste this in your browser metalisgood.proboards28.com

[syrUsbilt]

the new no warning (my friend got it, he is on the street team) is crap...and being signed to linkin park's label...lame.

[DKLgoodnight]

[QUOTE=shane italian]**Decided to bring this into the Punk Forum. If it turns into a spam/agrument thread then close it as soon as possible. It's meant for education and actual discussion.


This is for those of you who throw around the the phrase hardcore far too often.

Metalcore is often mistaken for Hardcore on these boards. Here's the difference.

Hardcore is punk influenced music that sometimes has a heavier sound and sometime's doesn't. It sometimes have breakdowns and some don't, this depends more on the age of the band. Some are straight edge, some aren't. But most have honest sincere lyrics about issues that they themselves face.

Metalcore is obviously metal influenced and because they're of this there is more complexity in the writings of guitar, more noted riffs added to it than hardcore has.. Some say that it has punk influences...but that depends on what band you are talking about. Metalcore has a lot of breakdowns, most of which have the "JUN JUN JUN" sound which some double bass. Metalcore was a lot better a couple years ago before more and more band's started learning that you can tune into drop-C, use only thin picks, and get a drummer who knows his double bass.

Hardcore bands:
Blood For Blood, Chain Of Strength, American Nightmare, Death Threat, Judge, Gorilla Biscuits, 7 Seconds, Champion, Count Me Out, Carry On, Terror

Metalcore bands:
Hatebreed, 100 Demons, Bury Your Dead, Black My Heart, On Broken Wings, Hoods, North Side Kings, Walls Of Jericho, Clenched Fist

Hatebreed is hardcore and sounds nothing like metal. The only other thing i want 2 comment on is you left out the 2 most known probably best metalcore bands Lamb of God,God Forbid and Killswitch Engage which basically put metalcore on the map.

[syrUsbilt]

Hatebreed is hardcore and sounds nothing like metal. The only other thing i want 2 comment on is you left out the 2 most known probably best metalcore bands Lamb of God,God Forbid and Killswitch Engage which basically put metalcore on the map.

you don't think hatebreed is AT ALL metallic? uhhhhhh okay.

[NewKindofArmy03]

[QUOTE=shane italian]which basically put metalcore on the map.
you don't know what you're talking about.

[REINER]

Lamb of God is more metal than anything else.

Killswitch is metalcore sure, it's not like we need list every band possible.
Besides Jesse > Howard for KsE vocals.

[shane italian]

Notice he said we left out 2 bands yet mentioned 3.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

I noticed. But I'm not extremely rude.

[shane italian]

Neither am I you faggot.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Harsh.

[shane italian]

Juss kiddin babes.

[REINER]

Someone should cover Dag Nasty, but in a more hardcore style. Man...I have all these awesome ideas but no band to back it up.

[listerine ice cream]

Record guitar tracks on computer, and have people from these forums do the other parts. Send them around, mix it up. I play bass :cool:.

[REINER]

We tried that once.........never really worked out.

Plus I can't find my 1/4 to 1/8 converter piece and I don't have any decent recording programs. But if I did I would record my own stuff, then use like a drum machine.

[listerine ice cream]

Yeah, I could imagine.

[Gotkookie]

Hrrrm Im thinking about doing a band profile for Converge, I heard they were breaking up. They've been around nearly fifteen years.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

I doubt they would break up since they just launched a huge tour, and released a new album, on a bigger label, that will surely gain them popularity.

[REINER]

I doubt it. They just released an album and they just started a nation wide tour.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Woah.

[Gotkookie]

I heard from inside that they possibly might break up, since they've been together so long.

[Gotkookie]

Anyone know how the scene is in Orlando Florida, I possibly may be moving there, my friend might also be heading there too.

[Gotkookie]

I doubt it. They just released an album and they just started a nation wide tour.
I mean after they finish the tour.

[BuddyBigsby]

Anyone know how the scene is in Orlando Florida, I possibly may be moving there, my friend might also be heading there too.

I don't know about Orlando specifically, but Florida has a pretty good scene. A lot of the bands from there suck though... but there's also a lot of really good bands from Florida, so I don't really know where I'm going with this. I hate Florida with a fiery passion, but I won't get into that because that will go on for a very long time. xdeadtomorrowx is from Florida...

[young, loud and andrew]

Someone should cover Dag Nasty, but in a more hardcore style. Man...I have all these awesome ideas but no band to back it up.


Terror covers "what can I say." The track was up on their website a few months ago... I don't know if it's still there.


EDIT: we should start an internet band.

[SubtleDagger]

I don't know about Orlando specifically, but Florida has a pretty good scene. A lot of the bands from there suck though... but there's also a lot of really good bands from Florida, so I don't really know where I'm going with this. I hate Florida with a fiery passion, but I won't get into that because that will go on for a very long time. xdeadtomorrowx is from Florida...
I'm from Florida, too, and I hate it.

The Autumn Offering just got signed and released their first full length, but Zeuss and Jamey Jasta managed to ruin the entire thing. I know that sounds strange, but I have their demo and it sounds better than the record. Shai Halud is from around here, too.

Also, my band will soon be famous. Maybe.

[PsychoticSouls]

i dislike hardcore

[cbmartinez]

Poison the Well is from Florida. :cool:

I heard from inside that they possibly might break up, since they've been together so long.

Speaking of Converge, I was listening to one of their really early LPs or CDs and it sounded completely different. The music, the vocals, it was just weird. What's up with that.

[REINER]

Terror covers "what can I say." The track was up on their website a few months ago... I don't know if it's still there.


EDIT: we should start an internet band.
Awesome, I need to find that.

We tried that once, never worked out. If I can ever find my converter for my guitar cable and I downlaoded some software I'd be up for it. but untill I can find it.....

Anyone know how the scene is in Orlando Florida, I possibly may be moving there, my friend might also be heading there too.http://www.cflhardcore.com/

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

i dislike hardcore
Well get the **** out of this thread :)

[listerine ice cream]

^^^ He said it.

[listerine ice cream]

I remember someone saying that Wes Eisold is going to be singing for another band. I'm too lazy to dig it up though. What band is it?

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

Someone said he would sing for Daughters, but that = untrue.

[listerine ice cream]

HA! Yeah, un-true indeed. Daughters isn't what they said though...

[cbmartinez]

Wes sings for the band Some Girls I believe.

[syrUsbilt]

Wes sings for the band Some Girls I believe.

he does.

some girls = american grindmare.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Speaking of Converge, I was listening to one of their really early LPs or CDs and it sounded completely different. The music, the vocals, it was just weird. What's up with that.

Was it Caring and Killing?

[cbmartinez]

I don't know, it was weird. It was definitely not Jake Bannon singing (I think).

[40 oz 2 freedom]

It's probably Caring is Killing, he sounds just different.

[SubtleDagger]

I like Caring And Killing, but it's not typical Converge.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

Wes sings for the band Some Girls I believe.
Damnit I knew that.

[listerine ice cream]

Wes sings for the band Some Girls I believe.

No kidding! :rolleyes:

[cbmartinez]

I don't get it.

[listerine ice cream]

I knew that...

[cbmartinez]

Then why were you asking?

[listerine ice cream]

Well, someone said that Wes was in another band, other than Some Girls.

[cbmartinez]

Well, say, "what band does Wes sing in, besides Some Girls?"

[listerine ice cream]

Yeah, I suppose... I was in school though, I wasn't thinking.

[shane italian]

Well, say, "what band does Wes sing in, besides Some Girls?"cbmartinez - 1 : capri - 0

[listerine ice cream]

:upset:

[Gotkookie]

Awesome, I need to find that.

We tried that once, never worked out. If I can ever find my converter for my guitar cable and I downlaoded some software I'd be up for it. but untill I can find it.....

http://www.cflhardcore.com/
oh em effing jee, Im getting on the fuking plane right now

[BuddyBigsby]

I'm from Florida, too, and I hate it.

The Autumn Offering just got signed and released their first full length, but Zeuss and Jamey Jasta managed to ruin the entire thing. I know that sounds strange, but I have their demo and it sounds better than the record. Shai Halud is from around here, too.

Also, my band will soon be famous. Maybe.

Hahaha, The Autumn Offering's bassist IMd me after I was defending them on Lambgoat. Interesting guy. After a "brb gotta get vicodin", he tried to sell me their CD and sent me their flyer. I told him I'd pass it out at shows but I haven't done so. He can't type very well at all.

[BuddyBigsby]

I remember someone saying that Wes Eisold is going to be singing for another band. I'm too lazy to dig it up though. What band is it?

Haha, I said he was going to be singing for With Dead Hands Rising, and they would be changing their name to With One Hand Rising. (Wes only has one hand)

[listerine ice cream]

Haha, I said he was going to be singing for With Dead Hands Rising, and they would be changing their name to With One Hand Rising. (Wes only has one hand)

THATS IT! Wes only has one hand eh? Since when did this come about? And how might I add?

[BuddyBigsby]

A dog bit it off or something, if I remember.

[listerine ice cream]

Mmkay. Is he really going to be singing with them?

[BuddyBigsby]

(See that I edited last post)

No. That was the joke. Because see, he has one hand. So... Oh nevermind.

[listerine ice cream]

Crackerjacks...

[BuddyBigsby]

Shane (or anyone else for that matter), have you heard the new It Dies Today in full yet? I downloaded it because I was weary and I'm not liking it too much.

[young, loud and andrew]

Shane (or anyone else for that matter), have you heard the new It Dies Today in full yet? I downloaded it because I was weary and I'm not liking it too much.

I downloaded it having never heard anything else by them, and I like it. It's not innovative or anything like that, but it's just good metalcore.

By the way, I posted about this a few pages back with the new Fordirelifesake.


Anyone here like Most Precious Blood? I think I'm going to see them in a few weeks at CBGB's.

[BuddyBigsby]

MPB are awesome, real fun live. And you're seeing them in NYC? Oh, that's gonna be nuts man. Their singer owes me a bowl of soup.

[young, loud and andrew]

MPB are awesome, real fun live. And you're seeing them in NYC? Oh, that's gonna be nuts man. Their singer owes me a bowl of soup.


If you didn't know... I live in NYC. I saw MPB in Boston with With Honor and Agnostic Front (I left before them though) over the summer. I wasn't familiar with their music then, and I was there to see With Honor.

I have connections at CBGB's, so I don't have to pay. Should be pretty sweet.

[BuddyBigsby]

If you didn't know... I live in NYC. I saw MPB in Boston with With Honor and Agnostic Front (I left before them though) over the summer. I wasn't familiar with their music then, and I was there to see With Honor.

I have connections at CBGB's, so I don't have to pay. Should be pretty sweet.

I know you're from NYC. That's sweet. If I ever go to New York, you're hookin' a nigga up.

Or else.

[young, loud and andrew]

I know you're from NYC. That's sweet. If I ever go to New York, you're hookin' a nigga up.

Or else.


Will do.

Also, I just started "working" for radiotakeover.com doing interviews/reviews/etc. I'll probably be on the guestlist for any show I want to go to. I might even interview MPB... that would be so cool. I'd be scarred ****less though seeing as it would probably be my first interview.

[BuddyBigsby]

You're writing for radiotakeover?!

*be's jealous*

[shane italian]

Will do.

Also, I just started "working" for radiotakeover.com doing interviews/reviews/etc. I'll probably be on the guestlist for any show I want to go to. I might even interview MPB... that would be so cool. I'd be scarred ****less though seeing as it would probably be my first interview.How old are you?!

[young, loud and andrew]

18 in a few months. I'm not getting paid or anything. I want to be a music journalist for a living (Rolling Stone, hopefully), and I street teamed for RTO all summer. I met one of the head guys at a skate competition when we handed out some stuff for hellfest, and I eventually emailed him and told him I was interested in doing some writing for them if they needed it. They finally set me up with an email address today. And apparently, they can get me on the guestlist if I interview bands.

All in all, I'm ridiculously excited.

p.s.: street teaming for //rto gets you so much free ****. i got the hellfest dvd before it came out, and they just said they were giving us either the new zao or the new ffaf cd's. i don't know which one to pick though. i like 7 ways to scream your name, but i hear the new cd isn't great. also, i'm not a particularly huge zao fan.

[deadohiosky9]

I just recently looked at this thread. Wow. I'm kind of new to Emo, don't know much about it. I'm really into Thursday. And I wanna know how you guys classify them. Emocore? Post hardcore? Also any other good band suggestions that are like Thursday? Sorry if this is a repeat! But I do want to make sure I'm classifying Thursday correctly. Thanks, and this thread is awesome!

[REINER]

I would say Post-Hardcore, I guess.

For similar bands check out the band The Procedure. It has Thursday's original guitarist who wrote Waiting and supposedely wrote Full Collapse aswell.

[deadohiosky9]

O sweet dude. Thanks.

[REINER]

http://www.theprocedure.com

I think you can listen to their whole full length on their site.

[deadohiosky9]

Ya I just checked em out. They are pretty good. Ne wayz I have something I want to ask. What really is the point of categorizing bands so much? Emo is probably the most controversial genre I've come across. I see threads all the time, where ppl r like hating on Emo, and then there are arguments. I don't ever see as much of that in the Metal threads. So why all the arguing? I think Hardcore has too many sub categories though. Although it does make sense, a lot of ppl aren't really very familar with all these sub genres, and just call a band "emo" or "metal". I know I used to do that. I guess I'm just throwing this out there, because I don't see the need to categorize so much.

[REINER]

You need catagories because you can't put a band like say Terror with a band like Dag Nasty. While they both belong under the umbrella of hardcore, Dag Nasty is more of a Post-Hardcore/Emocore.

[NewKindofArmy03]

every post i've seen you made tonight mentioned dag nasty. i remember liking them, i'll listen to them again.

[REINER]

I'm hooked.

Dag Nasty and Refused should make children.

[listerine ice cream]

That would be an interesting baby.

[BuddyBigsby]

18 in a few months. I'm not getting paid or anything. I want to be a music journalist for a living (Rolling Stone, hopefully), and I street teamed for RTO all summer. I met one of the head guys at a skate competition when we handed out some stuff for hellfest, and I eventually emailed him and told him I was interested in doing some writing for them if they needed it. They finally set me up with an email address today. And apparently, they can get me on the guestlist if I interview bands.


Crazy, I thought you were younger. I turn 18 in a week. I was going to go into journalism too, but at the last moment I backed out so now I'm just doing my general ed. I've been reconsidering it lately, but I have no idea what publication I'd like to write for. Definitely not Rolling Stone or Spin or any of the big magazines, because frankly they're just the magazine equivalent of MTV. The only mainstream mags I like are Guitar World and Revolver, but it's pretty dumb to go through college and get my major in Journalism and just hope that I get hired by one of two magazines. I'd love to write for a zine, but there's no way in hell you could live off of that.

[BuddyBigsby]

Ya I just checked em out. They are pretty good. Ne wayz I have something I want to ask. What really is the point of categorizing bands so much? Emo is probably the most controversial genre I've come across. I see threads all the time, where ppl r like hating on Emo, and then there are arguments. I don't ever see as much of that in the Metal threads. So why all the arguing? I think Hardcore has too many sub categories though. Although it does make sense, a lot of ppl aren't really very familar with all these sub genres, and just call a band "emo" or "metal". I know I used to do that. I guess I'm just throwing this out there, because I don't see the need to categorize so much.

I was just discussing this with my buddy tonight. It's because... ok, take Death Metal and uh, Polka. Two COMPLETELY different genres. Now, what if you knew what Death Metal was, but almost everyone was referring to Polka as Death Metal? Well that's what the whole emo thing is like. The fact of the matter is that Thursday, From First to Last, The Beautiful Mistake, Senses Fail, etc. etc. are nowhere remotely CLOSE to what emo really is. MTV might tell you that, but it couldn't be further from the truth. Emo is chaotic, basically all screaming or yelling vocals, no pretty singing whatsoever, there's a disregard for melody, it's basically the complete antithesis of what gets called emo by the people on these forums.

Now, since you've never heard real emo (I'm not trying to be mean here), it's easy for you to just say "Oh, why are they getting so worked up?"... well it's because you've never heard it, so to you, in your mind, it doesn't exist. If a person is completely oblivious to something, then it does it exist in their minds? No, it does not. And that is why people freak about people like us that try and tell them what emo really is. Bands like Rites of Spring, Antioch Arrow, Still Life, Indian Summer, not pop-punk with screaming.

[deadohiosky9]

I was just discussing this with my buddy tonight. It's because... ok, take Death Metal and uh, Polka. Two COMPLETELY different genres. Now, what if you knew what Death Metal was, but almost everyone was referring to Polka as Death Metal? Well that's what the whole emo thing is like. The fact of the matter is that Thursday, From First to Last, The Beautiful Mistake, Senses Fail, etc. etc. are nowhere remotely CLOSE to what emo really is. MTV might tell you that, but it couldn't be further from the truth. Emo is chaotic, basically all screaming or yelling vocals, no pretty singing whatsoever, there's a disregard for melody, it's basically the complete antithesis of what gets called emo by the people on these forums.

Now, since you've never heard real emo (I'm not trying to be mean here), it's easy for you to just say "Oh, why are they getting so worked up?"... well it's because you've never heard it, so to you, in your mind, it doesn't exist. If a person is completely oblivious to something, then it does it exist in their minds? No, it does not. And that is why people freak about people like us that try and tell them what emo really is. Bands like Rites of Spring, Antioch Arrow, Still Life, Indian Summer, not pop-punk with screaming.

I totally understand. Thats why I'm reading this thread. I've realized that I've never really listened to emo.

[BuddyBigsby]

Exactly. It's not a bad thing. Kudos to you for being open-minded and not being stubborn about seeing this.

[deadohiosky9]

I can't find any Indian Summer downloads. Do they have a site?

[CommieCanada]

Exactly. It's not a bad thing. Kudos to you for being open-minded and not being stubborn about seeing this.
right on. i love people like him

[BuddyBigsby]

I can't find any Indian Summer downloads. Do they have a site?

nah man, they've been broken up for a long time. I don't even think they released anything on CD, it was all vinyl. You should download Soulseek if you plan on checking out bands like Indian Summer, because you're not going to find these bands on Kazaa or WinMX.

[shane italian]

I found some Indian Summer on kazaa like 3 years ago.

[Foxy Grandma]

im really into hardcore, especially lately, but i like to avoid the generic stuff and pretty much listen to the big guns, like the bands that really stand out and do something different, some of my fav hardcore bands are like shai hulud, refused, converge etc. if you get my point, what are some more bands like this?

[Gotkookie]

im really into hardcore, especially lately, but i like to avoid the generic stuff and pretty much listen to the big guns, like the bands that really stand out and do something different, some of my fav hardcore bands are like shai hulud, refused, converge etc. if you get my point, what are some more bands like this?
Terror, dillinger escape plan, count me out, righteous jams.

Dillinger isnt hardcore but good, Converge isnt either but good :thumb:

[X138]

I saw this and had to add my two cents, don't take this as me trying to slam you or anything of the sort. I'm sorry if you have gone over any of this, but here I go...

Hardcore is not Punk influenced music, it is Punk. Negative Approach, DOA, Minor Threat, Black Flag, Bad Brains, The Beastie Boys--all Hardcore. Bands like Terror and Hatebreed are often called 90's Hardcore, or, seeing as how it is part Metal and part Hardcore, Metalcore. Modern Metalcore takes even more from Metal, owing most of their sound to Melodic Death Metal such as At the Gates (Bleeding Through) and various Tech. Death bands (The Dillinger Escape Plan).

On to Grind...

Grindcore cannot be technical. If you took DOA and refined them--made tight and technical--they'd no longer be a Punk band, would they? Of course not, they'd be playing Thrash Metal. It's the same with Grindcore. A Grindcore band ceases to be Grind when it adds technicality; it becomes Death Metal. As for these newer "Grind" bands such as DEP, what is Grindcore about them? They use a blastbeat on occasion with intense vocals--big deal. That describes Death Metal, Black Metal, Grindcore, and some Hardcore Punk. Grindcore is Rot, (early) Napalm Death, (old) Impetigo, Gut, (ROP era) Carcass, and Regurgitate, not PsyOpus, DEP, The End, Pig Destroyer, and other bands of that sort.

[Shannon Deadbeat]

what about 'mathcore, or 'mathmetal'
eg. dillenger escape plan ect.
:confused:

[X138]

I consider that Metalcore. Like most subgenres, Metalcore has subgenres.

[Shannon Deadbeat]

you cant say dillenger are the same and/or similar to all/some of the metalcore bands, they incorporate so many genres in to one eg. jazz fusion, techno(sorta)

i mean.......come on!!!

[X138]

If all bands of a genre sounded exactly the same, it'd be a pretty boring genre, don't you think?

[young, loud and andrew]

Crazy, I thought you were younger. I turn 18 in a week. I was going to go into journalism too, but at the last moment I backed out so now I'm just doing my general ed. I've been reconsidering it lately, but I have no idea what publication I'd like to write for. Definitely not Rolling Stone or Spin or any of the big magazines, because frankly they're just the magazine equivalent of MTV. The only mainstream mags I like are Guitar World and Revolver, but it's pretty dumb to go through college and get my major in Journalism and just hope that I get hired by one of two magazines. I'd love to write for a zine, but there's no way in hell you could live off of that.


Actually, I turn 18 on November 3rd--I can't vote! :angry: Anyway, Rolling Stone is certainly no the ONLY thing I'd like to do, but I think writing for a big time magazine would be really cool. I'd have no problem starting off writing for AP or Revolver.

I'm a senior in a high school though, we have weird cut off dates. I have a month to do my early decision application too.

[cbmartinez]

I can't find any Indian Summer downloads. Do they have a site?

If you have AIM, you can IM me at Finchevelle73 and I'll send you some.

[listerine ice cream]

Haha, I said he was going to be singing for With Dead Hands Rising.

I found out that they are from Minneapolis!!!:eek: I found nothing about Wes singing for them though.

[CommieCanada]

Actually, I turn 18 on November 3rd--I can't vote!
oh man that blows :lol:

[NewKindofArmy03]

bump.

i just checked out cast aside, they rule.

[cbmartinez]

Yo Sk8Ska, do you read Weird NJ?

[NewKindofArmy03]

i read some of that, i want to go check some of it out sometime.

[cbmartinez]

Awesome man. I went to this abandoned mental asylum today called The Skillman Institute in Princeton with my friends. Out of 30+ buildings, we went in about 8. First we went to the gymnasium, but we couldn't get in. We then went to like the visitors center place, and when we looked in the window, there were typewriters and office files just sitting there. Everyone just up and left. The place was abandoned in 1998. We then saw personnel housing, which was nuts. We saw their beds and stuff. Then we went to like this patient housing kinda place where we saw this old kitchen and then we descended into the bomb shelter. I was scared shitless. Then we go in this scary *** patient ward with these curtains and **** all over the place. Then these thick double doors that went into the basement. I didn't feel like going down there. So we went to the 4 sotry school house and dared my friend to go in alone with the video camera and flashlight and stick his head out the attic window. If he did it, he got $15.00. Well, the attic was unreachable but he stayed in there for about a half hour. We then go to this freaky as hell abandoned house with boarded windows and ****, and then the final place. The main hospital. By now I was shaken. So we cross this creek and go around fornt. Now in the basement, there's supposedly a morgue and crematorium, but did not find them. The first thing we saw when we went in was graffiti saying thinks like, "Help" and "The Gift Of Pestilence." We see some rooms and **** and then get the **** out of there. It was a fun, but frightening day. I cannot imagine how people go there at night.

[NewKindofArmy03]

my friends and i were going to go to this abandoned mental hospital here back in the spring, but the day before we we're going to go, this 1 kid going got caught by a cop in there. they just took him home, but if we went and he got caught again, he would be screwed. i'm going to go back sometime. i looked at some websites that have pictures and stuff and it looks pretty freaky. supposedly satanic cults do some crazy stuff in there. there was a picture of a dead chicken hung from the ceiling and a dead deer in a hallway with a mask on it. the state shut it down 15 years ago because of how the patients were treated. it has a bunch of underground tunnels linking all the buildings.

[cbmartinez]

Same with Skillman. It started as just an epilepsy treatment place, but soon sick and violent people were thrown in there. Patients often killed themselves, other patients and caretakers, and many of the guards supposedly raped the patients. The people in Weird NJ who went there said that they found nurse's gowns with blood on them, EKG machines, wheelchairs, files and other stuff. The guy who went to the morgue said the drawers were open and that there were candles all over the place. Oh yeah, I forgot the freakiest part of the story. When we were behind the hospital, we found a ****ing skeleton. At first every spazzs and says it's human, but it was just a deer. It was still scary and it could have been a victim of cult activity, as Satanism rampant in NJ.

[listerine ice cream]

Last three posts are like a novel.

[REINER]

Yo Sk8Ska, do you read Weird NJ?Yeah.

[listerine ice cream]

I remember reading about the Jersey Devil like 8 years ago.

[AndHagan3]

Oh man, I used to be so into Cyptozoology. I ever wrote a huge article on the Jersey Devil. That was one b'itching monster.

[REINER]

Jersey rules. Besides like south jersey and all the poluteted parts.

[AndHagan3]

New Jersey has the highest population per square mile of any state. Its amazing how much useless information you come across.

[REINER]

We are also home to the richiest county in the world. And it's my county!

[punkgrungerocker]

Grindcore in its purest form consisted of short, apocalyptic blasts of noise played on standard heavy metal instrumentation (distorted guitar, bass, drums). Although grindcore wasn't just randomly improvised, it certainly didn't follow conventional structure, either; while riffs could sometimes be picked out, pure grindcore never featured verses, choruses, or even melodies. Grindcore vocals sounded torturous, ranging from high-pitched shrieks to low, throat-shredding growls and barks; although the lyrics were usually quite verbose, they were very rarely intelligible. Some bands in this catagory can also be known as Mathcore. Meaning they're more complex in the musical writings.

Grindcore bands:
Napalm Death, Dillinger Escape Plan, Death, Carcass, The Locust, The Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza

youre forgetting one of the best grindcore bands today...DAUGHTERS!!! their cd is 11 songs, and its just over 11 min...so so goood...also circle takes the square, but they have really long songs, and dual male/female vocals.....so crazy, only three people in the band, but it sounds like 5 or 6 they aren't true grindcore, but they would be melodic grindcore if such a thing ever came to be...

[listerine ice cream]

I'd want to move to NJ for all the ghosts, hauntings, and monster stuff.

[REINER]

youre forgetting one of the best grindcore bands today...DAUGHTERS!!! their cd is 11 songs, and its just over 11 min...so so goood...also circle takes the square, but they have really long songs, and dual male/female vocals.....so crazy, only three people in the band, but it sounds like 5 or 6 they aren't true grindcore, but they would be melodic grindcore if such a thing ever came to be...Haha yeah Daughters are good. CTTS is a screamo band with grinf influence.

[NewKindofArmy03]

daughters are horrible, i can't stand listening to them.

[REINER]

Hahah. I'm not the biggest fan of grind ether. I only listen to it for like a couple minutes at a time.

[NewKindofArmy03]

i actually like some grind. i like what i've heard from pig destroyer and agoraphobic nosebleed.

[BuddyBigsby]

I found out that they are from Minneapolis!!!:eek: I found nothing about Wes singing for them though.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD IT'S A JOKE

Ok. Wes has one hand. ONE hand. From With Dead Hands Rising to With One Hand Rising. Think about it.

[NewKindofArmy03]

hahaha.

in other news, i hope ed gein and all else failed play here. since AEF is from here, i'm pretty sure they will.

[listerine ice cream]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD IT'S A JOKE

Ok. Wes has one hand. ONE hand. From With Dead Hands Rising to With One Hand Rising. Think about it.

Crackerjacks.

[cbmartinez]

I'd want to move to NJ for all the ghosts, hauntings, and monster stuff.

Yeah, Weird NJ is amazing. It tells you all the haunted and abandoned **** all over NJ. I wanna' got to Clinton Road, supposedly a very active satanist gathering location and there's a bridge that if you throw a quarter off of, this ghost of a boy will either throw it at your car or come up and give it back to you. Also, I want to go to the Marlboro Slaughterhouse, it looks so scary. They supposedly found one of guards with his head replaced by a pigs head when the farmer that the land was stole from went insane and killed people. But there's all this graffiti and rooms with drains in the middle where the blood from the animals used to drain.

[NewKindofArmy03]

do you know if the book is any good? i saw it in barnes and noble before.

[cbmartinez]

Eh, if you have all the issues (like me), don't bother buying it. Because it basically is just a summary of all the significant stuff they done so far in the magazine. I have it but it's really not that necessary like I said. My dad got Weird US today, a book with weird stuff from across America or something. I'm afraid Weird US might ruin Weird NJ though...

[NewKindofArmy03]

i might subscribe to it. most of the stuff seems to be in north jersey. the only place i recognized so far was lambertville.

[BuddyBigsby]

Hardcore/Metalcore/Haunted places in New Jersey Education

[listerine ice cream]

Eh, if you have all the issues (like me), don't bother buying it. Because it basically is just a summary of all the significant stuff they done so far in the magazine. I have it but it's really not that necessary like I said. My dad got Weird US today, a book with weird stuff from across America or something. I'm afraid Weird US might ruin Weird NJ though...

I'm thinking I want to subscribe to Weird US, now that you mention it. I forgot all about this haunted/ghosts/monster stuff, I love it so much. I've been reading at weirdnj.com, seems pretty interesting over there.

[cbmartinez]

Hardcore/Metalcore/Haunted places in New Jersey Education

:lol:

I don't think Weird US is a zine. It's a book.

[cbmartinez]

i might subscribe to it. most of the stuff seems to be in north jersey. the only place i recognized so far was lambertville.

What was the attraction in Lambertville?

[NewKindofArmy03]

there's 2 of them. boner bar and the lambertville church. i've never heard of them, but i've been in lambertville a lot.

[listerine ice cream]

:lol:

I don't think Weird US is a zine. It's a book.

Oh, darn.

[cbmartinez]

there's 2 of them. boner bar and the lambertville church. i've never heard of them, but i've been in lambertville a lot.

Oh yeah. The Boner Bar is gay. I don't like that stuff. I like the urban legend scary stuff. Is the church haunted?

[NewKindofArmy03]

i meant lambertville school, not church. they only have the school in the pictures part of the "only go there at night" section. what's with the boner bar though, i couldn't find a story on that either.

[cbmartinez]

i meant lambertville school, not church. they only have the school in the pictures part of the "only go there at night" section. what's with the boner bar though, i couldn't find a story on that either.

They have the penis bones of all kinds of different animals...

I think I know what your talking about with the school. Some kid supposedly haunts it who died in a football game when he got his head twisted full around.

[NewKindofArmy03]

http://www.weirdus.com/stories/PA01.asp cool, this is the hospital i was talking about that i wanted to go to. it's like 3 miles from my house. we should stop spamming this thread now.

[cbmartinez]

http://www.weirdus.com/stories/PA01.asp cool, this is the hospital i was talking about that i wanted to go to. it's like 3 miles from my house. we should stop spamming this thread now.

I remember that article. That place looks ****ing intense as hell. Now that's hardcore/metalcore. At the place I went to, there was a story in Weird NJ about some people who got chased out of there by a guy with an axe.

[REINER]

One of the WNJ locations is right were the venue "The Palace" used to be.

[NewKindofArmy03]

http://www.weirdus.com/stories/PA03.asp i've been here before too. it's a town that has been burning underground since i think the 80's. it's pretty far, about 3 hours from here.

[cbmartinez]

http://www.weirdus.com/stories/PA03.asp i've been here before too. it's a town that has been burning underground since i think the 80's. it's pretty far, about 3 hours from here.

That's pretty weird.

One of the WNJ locations is right were the venue "The Palace" used to be.

Is that The Palace Of Depression?

[X138]

youre forgetting one of the best grindcore bands today...DAUGHTERS!!! their cd is 11 songs, and its just over 11 min...so so goood...also circle takes the square, but they have really long songs, and dual male/female vocals.....so crazy, only three people in the band, but it sounds like 5 or 6 they aren't true grindcore, but they would be melodic grindcore if such a thing ever came to be...
Neither band is Grind.

[Gotkookie]

Neither band is Grind.
theres two types of grind

1) The death metal sort, with the wierdest growls ever.
2) The kind such as daughters, the locust, etc...

but ctts isnt grind, try screamo :thumb:

[X138]

1) The death metal sort, with the wierdest growls ever.
2) The kind such as daughters, the locust, etc...

but ctts isnt grind, try screamo :thumb:
No. There are several types of Grind, but The Locust, The Number 12 Looks Like You, The Daughters, et al... they are not Grind.

Real Grind, which is what I think you meant by "The death metal sort", is Punk, not Metal. Napalm Death and Carcass had more in common with Larm and SOB than Death and Possessed.

[Gotkookie]

No. There are several types of Grind, but The Locust, The Number 12 Looks Like You, The Daughters, et al... they are not Grind.

Real Grind, which is what I think you meant by "The death metal sort", is Punk, not Metal. Napalm Death and Carcass had more in common with Larm and SOB than Death and Possessed.
Ever hear the band "Terminally your aborted ghost" It scares me.

What is the daughters, the locust, etc...

Your probably the most knowledged noob Ive seen.

[SubtleDagger]

Actually, The Locust and Daughters have grind elements, they're just not completely grind.

[Gotkookie]

Actually, The Locust and Daughters have grind elements, they're just not completely grind.
I see, what are they then?

[listerine ice cream]

Ever hear the band "Terminally your aborted ghost" It scares me.

They are pretty good. Kind of reminds me of Cattle Decapitation.

[Gotkookie]

They are pretty good. Kind of reminds me of Cattle Decapitation.
Its good, but that guys growl sounds so... "ahhh"

[SubtleDagger]

I see, what are they then?
People classify them as grind because there really isn't an adequate term to describe those sorts of bands yet. It's a sort of combo of grind and technical punk/metal/hardcore (doesn't matter which), though Locust has some industrial thrown in too.

[listerine ice cream]

Its good, but that guys growl sounds so... "ahhh"

Yeah, its something else.

[Gotkookie]

Yeah, its something else.
I know it sounds like a ****ing demon or devil or something lol

[SubtleDagger]

Kookie, for an example of why these bands are difficult to classify, listen to some PsyOpus at www.purevolume.com/psyopus. It doesn't really fit into anything other than grind/technical, just because that's the closest you can get genre-wise.

[listerine ice cream]

I know it sounds like a ****ing demon or devil or something lol

Have you ever listened to Cattle Decapitation?

[SubtleDagger]

Have you ever listened to Cattle Decapitation?
Ha, they're pretty much Carcass on steroids. I'd rather get into the freakier stuff than just straight-up grind.

[listerine ice cream]

Ha, they're pretty much Carcass on steroids. I'd rather get into the freakier stuff than just straight-up grind.

From what I've read up, they are classified as vegan death metal.

[Gotkookie]

Kookie, for an example of why these bands are difficult to classify, listen to some PsyOpus at www.purevolume.com/psyopus. It doesn't really fit into anything other than grind/technical, just because that's the closest you can get genre-wise.
I see, yeah heard of them before, they are very different

It reminds me of dillinger a little bit.

[SubtleDagger]

From what I've read up, they are classified as vegan death metal.
Nah, they even admit they started out as a Carcass ripoff, and Carcass is grindcore. They just call it death metal because grind's really close to that, and because they have lots of gory animal corpses on their albums and their lyrics are the same sort of deal.

Theyre vegan, but it doesn't really change the music. Goldfinger's got vegans, too.

[SubtleDagger]

I see, yeah heard of them before, they are very different

It reminds me of dillinger a little bit.
Yeah, Dillinger, Converge, Coalesce, Botch, Locust, those sort of bands. They become hard to classify, so people just lump them in with grind or tech because it's as close as you get.

[listerine ice cream]

Nah, they even admit they started out as a Carcass ripoff, and Carcass is grindcore. They just call it death metal because grind's really close to that, and because they have lots of gory animal corpses on their albums and their lyrics are the same sort of deal.

Theyre vegan, but it doesn't really change the music. Goldfinger's got vegans, too.

Yeah, that is true, but from the lyrical standpoint they have pro-vegetarian/gore-oriented type lyrics. I'm guessing thats what gives them the label being death metal.

[Gotkookie]

Yeah, Dillinger, Converge, Coalesce, Botch, Locust, those sort of bands. They become hard to classify, so people just lump them in with grind or tech because it's as close as you get.
yeah because they are original =)

[SubtleDagger]

Yeah, that is true, but from the lyrical standpoint they have pro-vegetarian/gore-oriented type lyrics. I'm guessing thats what gives them the label being death metal.
Yeah, I just generally don't use lyrics to define a band's genre. I'm not a big fan of the "Christian rock" genre in other words. A band could write about anything, I don't think it should really define their style of music. But that's just me.

[listerine ice cream]

Yeah, I just generally don't use lyrics to define a band's genre. I'm not a big fan of the "Christian rock" genre in other words. A band could write about anything, I don't think it should really define their style of music. But that's just me.

Fair enough. Works for me.

[SubtleDagger]

yeah because they are original =)
Actually, my band has some of those elements, but we're really far from grindcore. So we're working to change the music up even more.

[Gotkookie]

fear before the march of flames is also genreless, just noticed this cause its playing on winamp. =)

[syrUsbilt]

fear before the march of flames is also genreless, just noticed this cause its playing on winamp. =)

I hate that band.

[pedro durruti]

http://veepers.budlight.com/service/RetrieveCard?id=JpcsraCv2rgAfmslMrMkvG

[BuddyBigsby]

I saw Hot Cross and Bleeding Kansas tonight. Sound sucked (for Hot Cross), but they played well. I brought a bunch of money for the Level-Plane distro, but sadly they didn't have the main album I wanted: Kaospilot. Instead, I got the A Day in Black and White EP, the City of Caterpillar CD, and the Saetia Retrospective, as well as Bleeding Kansas' "Jazzhands" 7", which is out of print. I got it on blue vinyl, too, and apparently they had less than 10 left.

[X138]

Ever hear the band "Terminally your aborted ghost" It scares me.

What is the daughters, the locust, etc...

Your probably the most knowledged noob Ive seen.
I usually just call them Metalcore, but I use that to describe all bands mixing Metal and Hardcore genres. They do have obvious Grind influences, though a lot of the music reminds me of Cynic, Lethargy, Between the Buried and Me, Gorguts, and various other bands. I guess you could call it Grind Metal, seeing as how it mixes the intensity and vocal delivery of Grind with the tight, complex riffing and structure found in Metal.

I've heard TYAG, and, to be honest, they bore me. I'm not into Modern DM.

[BuddyBigsby]

I like this guy.

[SubtleDagger]

This guy's like deadtomorrow if he knew what "genre" meant.

Also, he's intelligent.

[syrUsbilt]

I am guilty of it but..

punk isn't a genre its a style ...and the same goes for any other sort of category of Rock...

[X138]

This guy's like deadtomorrow if he knew what "genre" meant.

Also, he's intelligent.
Thanks for the compliment... I think?

punk isn't a genre its a style ...and the same goes for any other sort of category of Rock...
A genre is a category for any sort of artistic expression with a distinct style. Punk is a genre.

[listerine ice cream]

Your like the first noob that started off on the right foot, ever. :thumb: So I guess that makes you NOT a noob, in a way.

[Gotkookie]

Your like the first noob that started off on the right foot, ever. :thumb: So I guess that makes you NOT a noob, in a way.
123, Yeah, usually when someone comes here, they call underoath screamo, say emo sucks, dont know the definition of grind. But you do, very nice :thumb:

[cbmartinez]

CDs I've gotten for my birthday today (so far):

Converge- Jane Doe
Avenged Sevenfold- Waking The Fallen
Thursday- Five Stories Falling EP
Hopesfall- The Satellite Years

[40 oz 2 freedom]

I'm seeing Converge in 3 days. The excitement is killing me.

EDIT: Happy Birthday, cb.

[REINER]

Oh snap! I need to get my tickets for that show.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

I'm not sure if I need to get tickets ahead of time, since it's on a Wednesday. But if I get there and it's sold out I will be PISSED.

[NewKindofArmy03]

i need to get mine too. it's also on a wendsday but it's a small venue so i'm pretty sure it will sell out.

[cbmartinez]

Where is this show?

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Mine is in San Antonio. Converge, Cave In, and Between The Buried & Me.

[cbmartinez]

Damn. :eek:

Sk8Ska or NewKindOfArmy, where is the one around here?

[REINER]

There is two shows in NYC. I think I may go to the Friday one and not the Saturday one. I need tickets for this show, a Throwdown show, a halloween show and god knows how many others.

[nothing6]

that converge/cave in/BTBAM thing is going all over, but it isn't hitting up jersey. assholes.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Damn. :eek:

Sk8Ska or NewKindOfArmy, where is the one around here?
At The First Unitarian Church
2125 Chestnut Street (22nd and Chestnut)
Philadelphia, PA
$12 / All Ages

[REINER]

It's hitting Philly and NYC, so no matter where in NJ you are you relativly close to a show.

All the good venues in NJ are getting shut down.

[shane italian]

I missed two good shows.

[nothing6]

It's hitting Philly and NYC, so no matter where in NJ you are you relativly close to a show.

All the good venues in NJ are getting shut down.
starland is still up. That's about the best club in my area of NJ. What county/area of NJ are you sitting in?

[BuddyBigsby]

I'm seeing Converge in 3 days. The excitement is killing me.

EDIT: Happy Birthday, cb.

I'll be seeing them on Sunday.


...and Monday :cool:

[young, loud and andrew]

If you live in the NY Metropolitan area, you should come to see Most Precious Blood, The Backup Plan, and the AKAs at CBGB's in a few weeks.

I wanted to go to the Converge show, but I realized I don't particularly like any of those bands, and it wasn't worth it.

[NewKindofArmy03]

i read an interview with These Days and they should have a full-length out by the end of the year or early next year. i can't wait.

[shane italian]

Ohhhhhhh These Days...LP....*jizzes*

[NewKindofArmy03]

that was my reaction. more people need to know about them.

[shane italian]

"you need to learn how to shut the f'uck up
and when I put you down you can stay down dying"

So cliche and so good.

[Fender_Strat8915]

Grindcore:

The Dillinger Escape Plan = orgy but better

[obese_breasts]

What are some good These Days songs?

[REINER]

starland is still up. That's about the best club in my area of NJ. What county/area of NJ are you sitting in?Somerset County.

And Starland sucks balls. Birch Hill and Krome were so much better.

[NewKindofArmy03]

www.purevolume.com/thesedays

this is ours is the best one. they only have like 5 or so songs i think.

[REINER]

One of the guitarist of Casey Jones left.

I want to try out to be a guitarist for them, but I'm a year to young.

[Gotkookie]

One of the guitarist of Casey Jones left.

I want to try out to be a guitarist for them, but I'm a year to young.
ohmy I love casey jones

[BuddyBigsby]

Was it the Evergreen Terrace guy? I hope it doesn't impact their performance in a couple weeks.

[REINER]

It was Jason Southwell, I think he's in Evergreen Terrace. He probably just left Casey Jones and not ET.

[Irony My Friend]

casey jones is pretty good there alot better the e.t but thats not saying anything...there really good live

[Irony My Friend]

www.purevolume.com/thesedays

this is ours is the best one. they only have like 5 or so songs i think.

yeah that was badass

[nothing6]

Somerset County.

And Starland sucks balls. Birch Hill and Krome were so much better.
in size, starland is awesome, the barricade is dumb though. And krome was awesome, but what can ya do, you win some, you lose some.

[cbmartinez]

Sk8Ska, that venue the Palace you were talking about, was that in Asbury Park?

[nothing6]

what would Ink and Dagger be classified as?

by the way, my Banner long sleeve shirt that reps NJ rules everyone.

[REINER]

Sk8Ska, that venue the Palace you were talking about, was that in Asbury Park?Which one? The Palace? Cause if so, then yes.

[cbmartinez]

Yeah, I read in the new Weird NJ that they tore it down. They tore down a lot of the old stuff. That big face thing. Tillie I think it was called.

[REINER]

Haha Yeah. I've only been to like 1 or 2 weird NJ places. But the devils tree is right near me. I want to chop it down.

[cbmartinez]

Haha awesome! I wanna' go to the Devil's Tree and Devil's Tower. Is that the one that looks like a glowing cross from afar? I remember reading an article about a kid who pissed on The Devil's Tree.

[Rancid21]

www.purevolume.com/thesedays

this is ours is the best one. they only have like 5 or so songs i think.That was tight. Im from the bay area also my bands name is "Chronicles of the Dead".Maybe one day we can have a show together.

[CONNER_NWHC]

Is Refused a Hardcore band or just punk?

[REINER]

Hardcore

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Whew, I finally learned the end solo to "Mordecai". That **** is hard.

[CONNER_NWHC]

There really good i got there cd the shape of punk to come.

[REINER]

Hhahaha. Jesus Christ, I don't even know if I would attempt that song let alone any song by them.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Well, the end solo is the only part I know, and it's easy compared to the rest. I can't wait to see them.

[REINER]

Hah yeah true. When I saw them at Hellfest, their guitars sound like crap, but I think it might have been some PA problems.

[cbmartinez]

Wow, AllMusicGuide loves Converge.

You Fail Me= 4 Stars
Jane Doe= 4.5 Stars
Caring And Killing= 4.5 Stars
When Forever Comes Crashing Down= 4.5 Stars
Agoraphobic Nosebleed Split= 4 Stars

[40 oz 2 freedom]

What's not to love?

[cbmartinez]

True. They didn't like Petetioning... or that other collection of rare tracks (the name escapes me).

[BuddyBigsby]

Whew, I finally learned the end solo to "Mordecai". That **** is hard.

*can play that part with ease, as well as most of the rest of the song*

:cool:

[Irony My Friend]

^^^uh oh...stud

[Gotkookie]

Whew, I finally learned the end solo to "Mordecai". That **** is hard.
Btbams stuff is pretty easy, the solos are decent. I love btbam though :D

[Gotkookie]

I think The number twelve looks like you, can be considered screamo, some of their songs are pretty emo.

Listen to The number twelve looks like you - If these bullets could talk

[nothing6]

I think The number twelve looks like you, can be considered screamo, some of their songs are pretty emo.

Listen to The number twelve looks like you - If these bullets could talk
That's my favorite song on that record.

[DFelon204409]

I think The number twelve looks like you, can be considered screamo, some of their songs are pretty emo.

Listen to The number twelve looks like you - If these bullets could talk

They have their emo moments but a lot of it is just metalcore. It's awesome metalcore. But metalcore. I like "Jesus and Tori" or Mori or whatever it is.

[Gotkookie]

Dfelons back!

[listerine ice cream]

Oh snap!

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Ohmahgod!

[listerine ice cream]

40 oz, I've noticed your extended user title for quite some time now. Whats your favorite release from The Locust?

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Favorite album: Plague Soundscapes

Favorite song: The Half Eaten Sausage Would Like To See You In His Office

[listerine ice cream]

Really? Everyone likes that. Its alright I guess, but I enjoy the Self Titled, Self Titled EP, and Follow The Flock, Step In The Sh*t.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Maybe I like it more because I had it first.

[listerine ice cream]

I had Plague Soundscapes first as well...

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Welp, I dunno what to tell ya.

[listerine ice cream]

I suppose.

[BuddyBigsby]

Being sick sucks.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

That it does. I think I'm starting to get sick, but I won't admit it. I'm not gonna miss Converge because I'm sick.

[BuddyBigsby]

I hope I get better, because Saturday's my birthday and the two following days are Converge.

[NewKindofArmy03]

YOU SUCK! i was ordering a good clean fun hoodie and on like the 3rd step it says i need to pay with paypal. forget that, now i need to get something else from a different site.

[BuddyBigsby]

*has paypal*

[REINER]

Haha, you can use credit cards on paypal if thats what you were going to do. Thats what I do when I buy on ebay.

[NewKindofArmy03]

haha, for real? i don't know anything about paypal.

[REINER]

Haha, yeah. You just enter the info and what not into the account. I did it like over a year ago, but it's easy to do. And it keeps the info, so you can just use paypal when ever you want.

[BuddyBigsby]

Yeah, I made a paypal account just so I could get this Pg.99 / Majority Rule split off of some guy. It only takes a minute, you just enter in your account information and wammo.

[cbmartinez]

Yeah, I made a paypal account just so I could get this Pg.99 / Majority Rule split off of some guy. It only takes a minute, you just enter in your account information and wammo.

That CD is brilliant.

Jane Doe is so ****ing epic. I love it.

Waking The Fallen is pretty epic too.