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theabstract
05-31-2004, 09:38 PM
:naughty: Hey everyone. I'm Kinda New Here, But i'm finding it very enjoyable and have become addicted to the Internet!

I have noticed in my short time here that there are alot of threads along the lines of
-how can my band record a demo
-how do I set up a home studio
-how do i record on my computer etc.
etc

I happen to be a producer, So im gunna do a thread thats like a guide to home recording, In which ill type up about one lesson a week untill ive drained myself of all knowledge!

So Here We go...

theabstract
05-31-2004, 10:28 PM
LESSON 1

Seting up your Home Studio
The following are essentials in decent home recording setups
-PC
-Soundcard
-Mixer
-Microphones
-recording software
-Monitors
-headphone
-a spare room

P.C.
In a big studio like mine, the mixer is the heart of the setup. In a home recording setup, the computer filles this space. Your computer needs to be good enough that it's not going to blow up, or freeze while your in the middle of recording. Any new PC bought from a shop nowdays is ussually pretty good. I suggest spending about $600 on the PC, unless of course you have one already!

SoundCard
The souncard you choose really depends on how many different sources your going to record at the one time. Soundblaster make really great cards for home recording. If your only recording one thing at a time, then you can use the sound card that comes with the PC. If your a 3-4-5 piece band then I would sugest the Sound Blaster Audigi 2 platnum external card. They Have 5 inputs and are great for bands!

Microphones
Depending on what your recording, a studio needs a good microphone, or several good microphones. I will run down different models and how to use them effectively in a later lesson. Just to give you an idea, you can spend anywhere beween 50 and 700 dollars.

Mixer
A mixer you can live without, but they are truly very, very, helful. The mixer is always conected to the sound card, so you can plug whatever you recording into the mixer and ajust the eq and input level on the mixer. Mixers can also be very handy to record drums, for example, you plug all the mics on the kit (snare, kick, toms etc) into the mixer, adjust the levels and eq and then all the mics come out as one stereo signal, therfore only taking up two of your inputs.

Recording Software
There so much recording software out there today that its not funny! The best program by far for begginer recordists (is that a word?). The only problem it wont record from multiple sources. Enter Cubase. Cubasis takes a very, very long time to figure out, but once you have, it is well worth it. Other programs include cakewalk, fruity loopz 4, sonar, logic. Its really up to the user to decide which one they like. You can download them all from Kazaa.

Monitors
Monitors is a fancy word for studio speakers. Monitors arn't just like your average CD player speakers. CD player speakers are designed to make the music sound as good as possible. Thats not what you want. Thats why studio monitors are designed extremely nuetral, so that they play exactly whats coming out of the computer. This prevents the following scenario:
Jonny Producer Dude records a local rock band. This is his first time he's recorded a band because he's just set up his studio. Johny has just spent heaps of hard earned cash on gear for his studio, but Jonny doesn't know ****. Jonny and the band have spent a week on the new demo. They are listening to the songs through the monitors, which just so happen to be his CD player speakers, and it sounds awsome! The band pay jonny lots of thier hard earned cash, get thier CD and go home. On the way home, Bill Drummer, and Frank singer decide they are going to put on the CD. It starts playing but it sounds like ****. Frank and Bill turn around and drive back to johnnys house and lets just say he wont produce another CD in a while! If your music sounds good on real monitors, it'll sound good on any CD Player! Behringer Truth monitors rock!

Headphones
You NEED these. In my studio I have 5 pairs of headphones. You need these. There is nothing worse than having a great vocal track ruined because the vocal mic picked up the monitors! the soloution: headphones! Not Earplugs, Headphones! When your recording something, the only thing the mic should hear is the thing you want on that track.

A Room
You might say yeah whatever I can do it in my garage, or bedroom, and thats fine... If you want to be P***ed of while you record and p***ed of when your doing stuff in your room. Besides it being anoying trying to record while theres mess everywhere, acoustics are very important also. So a room that you can do stuff to the walls in is great (i also wouldn't want to live in a bedroom that has blankets hanging on the walls!
I'll go through how to treat a room for acoustics in another lesson...

Conclusion
So thats what youll need!
Please comment on the lessons and ask questions and i have a go at answering them!
If you want you cant tell me to shut my big mouth too.

Next lesson, I'll go through how to connect the studio together, and some basics on how to get is running. Also I'll go through acoustic design and studio layout

Have fun buying all your Gear!

ManWhoSoldTheWorld
06-01-2004, 12:24 AM
Wow, thanks a lot, thats very informative. I have a question though, instead of buying a soundcard and mabye a mixer, does it work as well to have an audio/USB interface?

theabstract
06-01-2004, 01:10 AM
USB interfaces are really good! If you want to record strait into the computer u might also want to buy a DI box, but its not essential

theabstract
06-01-2004, 01:42 AM
Hey dudes it's time for...

LESSON 2

So last time I talked about wot you need. Well this lesson I'm gunna tell you how to set it all up.

K youve got you room and I't empty, this is a great place to start.

Step 1 Acoustic Treatment

If your a home recordist, then you probebly dont have much money (because youde record in a real studio like mine and help me get some money if you had any) so real acoustic foam isn't an option. Egg Cartons Dont Work. Hang blankets, or sheets on the walls to deaden down the reverb. If you want it to look professional, use black, like stage curtin stuff. Also if you have a couch lying around put that in there, it will be a good place for the band to sit, and it will absorb sound waves.

Step 2. Layout

when u record, u want it to be fun! so it needs to be easy to operate in your studio. I'm going to assume you have a desk. You need one thats at least 4 feet wide. Position it on a wall, in the center, because corners trap low frequencies. Put your computer monitor in the center of the desk. Place the keyboard in front of it, or even better, on one of those keyboard trays. Put your mixer next to your keyboard. Place your monitors on the ends of the desk and make sure nothing is blocking the space between your ears and the speakers.
Amps, and other instruments can go against the other walls. Put the main mic that u use on a stand in the center of the room, ready for action
If you do woodwork or metalwork at skool, u can make wall mounts for your monitors or whatever. Put the big computer box thing on the floor out of the way.
Please Note: this is just a general guide, you can customise this to how it suits you best.

Step 3: Setup
Your almost there, your studio is almost ready for action!
Ok plug everything into the power points. Take two leads from the main output of your mixer and plug it into the input of your sound card. Take a lead out of the main output of your soundcard and plug it into your speakers. Take a lead from each of the sound sources, ie mics, guitar amp outputs etc, and plug them into the inputs on your mixer.
Please Note: you may need to buy some addapters or weird leads, depending on the sort of plugs on your sound card.
Please Note: before you stard your studio, please get a job! (unless of course your parents are incredible wealthy)

There you go, your studio is now ready for some action, and your ready for lesson No. 3

Next Lesson: This ones going to be in a number of parts. Like this
Part 1: Setting up the programs etc For recording
Part 2: Recording Drums
Part 3: Recroding Guitar and Bass
Part 4: Recording Piano
Part 5: Recording Vocals

Have Fun!

Aus_rock_god
06-01-2004, 02:53 AM
*one thing you left out: If there's a window in the room, rest a mattress against it, otherwise neighbors will get annoyed.

theabstract
06-01-2004, 03:12 AM
yeah true, forgot about windows and niebours, I live in the sticks

theabstract
06-01-2004, 03:46 AM
Well, I'm stuck at home sick, so i might aswell do lesson 3

LESSON 3 PART 1: Setting the Computer

All right...
I'm just gunna run throught the adobe audition software, which is very beginer oriented, but if your more advanced, then maybe you should use the time u would reading this lesson, to learn how to use a different program!

ADOBE AUDITION
Please Note: adobe audition is simply an updated version of cool edit 2.0

Step one Select your input: Make sure you have your mixer plugged into the line in on your sound card, not the mic in. You can tell the difference, because one has a picture of a mic next to it (this is on standard souncards that come with the computer). If you have a different model, read the manual.

Go to one of the drag down menues at the top of the screen (near FILE and EDIT i think it might be options). In one of those menues is a thing called windows recrding mixer. Once youve clicked on that, you need to select line in, if it isn't already selected, and make sure the fader is about 4 fifths of the way up.

Next go to options again and click monitor record levels. Play your whatever it is your playing and see how high it goes on the meter. Adjust the volume output on your mixer, so that the level only occasionally goes into the red, or never at all.

Now click the little red R on the track you want to record on and start playing. Once your done, turn the little Red R off and turn it on on the next track, and record the next one etc.

I'm not going to go through how to use th effects and stuff cos its all in the help menu!
Sorry for that extremely boring lesson but it had to be done!
Next Lesson: Recording DrumS

theabstract
06-01-2004, 04:05 AM
LESSON 3 PART 2: Recording Drums

Ok here we go, the drums can make or break a recording, and they are really hard to do well! Its taken me years to get my sound, so i'm going to try to make it a little easier for u guys!

Like anything, theres no right or wrong way to record drums, but there are many tequniques to help you get a good sound.

Kick: Maybe the hardest of all the drums. You really need a proper kick drum mic, you cant really get away with using a vocal mic. AKG make a good one thats only about $150. The standard way to record a kick drum is to put a mic inside the drum, by cutting a hole in the front skin. On the nevermind album by nirvana, the producer put a cardboard tube that was about 10 feet long inside the hole and put a mic at the other end of the tube, so there you go, there a many ways to record it!

Snare: SHURE SM57 SHURE SM57 SHURE SM57 SHURE SM57 SHURE SM57 SHURE SM57 SHURE SM57. By using a SHURE SM57 you really cant go wrong. These mics are as old as the hills but talk about getting it right 1st time, and their virtually indesrtructable. Put the mic about 1-3 inches above the rim of the drum. The further away you put the mic, the more ambient it will sound in the mix.

Toms: Some say mic them, some say dont, its up to you. Personally I think you should. Any vocal mic ussually does the trick. Mic them like the snare, but bring the mics in a bit from the rim towards the center of the drum.

Cymbals: two condenser mic over the cymbals is what you need. Behringer make good ones that are cheap enough, or if you want to go even cheaper, then the samson ones are ok. Put them about two feet above the cymbals.

EQ. Listen to what the drums sound and youll notice that less eq is often more!. If you have to do some I suggest raise the lows in the kick drum, to give it phatness, and raise the highs to give it definition. Maybe raise the highs in the snare a little.
Remember less is often more

So there ya go. experimenting is the key to getting a good sound. I suggest if your recording your band, then spend at least a couple of hours with your drummer, getting a sound, before your band arrives, coz getting a drum sound takes time!

Next Lesson: Recording Guitar and Bass

Trent Hatfield Manson
06-01-2004, 05:19 AM
hey i love what you've done good work!!

but

i'm recording my stuff mostly on my own, occaisionally with one or two other people and half of it will be MIDI stuff, the other half vocals and guitars and some other ****

any tips for that?

Trent Hatfield Manson
06-01-2004, 05:22 AM
the other thing is for my other band we have drums
BUT
we don't have the money for the mics and ****

Yatty
06-01-2004, 06:49 AM
So I bought a peavey pv I mic, hooked up to my guitar amp, and from the amp into my computer line in socket..

I can hear myself through the computer speakers fine, but when it comes to recording, my computer freezes...any reason for this?

theabstract
06-01-2004, 06:00 PM
Ok Trent Hatfield Mason For you midi based band, I suggest you download a program called Fruity Loops 3.0 Its like midi but it uses samples so it sounds way better. You just arrange it and then export it as a wave file and put it in cool edit or whatever u use, this sounds sooooooo much better than midi!!

K, foe your other band, you can get away with a cheaper setup, but theres a few things you need to keep in mind...
-make sure the drum mics cant hear anything (for example put your guitar amps outside the room)
-make sure your drums sound abseloutly unreal before you start recording (new skins are great, but at least a new skin on the snare)
-make sure your drummer hits them ****ing hard

ok heres the setup...
Put a dynamic mic in the kick drum (prefferably a kick drum mic, but a vocal one will do if it has to)
-Put another one on the snare
-put a condenser mic over the whole kit (if it really really has to be, use a vocal mic with the gain turned up a bit)

Thats an allright setup on a budget.
Anothe option is to hire mics. With stands and leads it only costs about $10 per night, so if you could get all the drums done in two days then that would be relatively cheap.

There you go, hope that helped!

theabstract
06-01-2004, 06:26 PM
OK folks It's time for

LESSON 3 PART 3

Hey all, i'm still at home sick so i just thought i might aswell get this done...

All right guitars and bass. Well theres and age old question when it comes to recording guitar and bass... To mic the amp or to go strait in... the answer: well you decide i'll just run through both options

GUITAR

Micing: to mic a guitar amp, a dynamic mic is used, athough a large diapham condenser can be used. The closer you put the mic to the speaker, the more in your face it is in the mix and vice versa. SHURE SM57, are pretty much the standard mic used by producers everywhere for guitar amps.

Direct In: Pretty much a big fat no no in the world of recording. Guitars sound small and lifeless when going direct in...UNLESS, you have an amp simulator like a V-amp or a POD, in which case, going direct in sounds awsome, and you have no problem of the guitar amp mic picking up the drums or whatever!

BASS

Micing: you can get a very good bass sound by micing an amp, however you need a great mic that can handle the...well...basiness. This is where having a job comes in handy because mics that handle low end sounds can be partuculary expensive. The good news is that you can use the same mic on your kick drum, so maybe your drummer will go halves, or maybe not?

Direct in: Bass direct in can sound good. Isuggest going out of the line out of the bass amp and into some rack gear, like compressors limitors etc. Spending alot of time, can get you a great warm sound. A amp modeler like a Bass V-amp is reallly good too.

Both: If your sound card has a few inputs, then this is your best option! Mic the amp and go direct in, record them onto separate tracks and blend the two in the mix. The mic should have a big phat warm tone, and the direct in will have your more mid-high end sounds and sultle pick noises etc.

Remember: the better your instrument is, the better it will sound once recorded..
Next Lesson: recording vocals, (i might put off piano for a while cos I don't think many people will find it interesting, stop me if i'm wrong)
Have Fun Amigoes!

theabstract
06-01-2004, 06:28 PM
yatty, i dont know why that is happening, maybe you should get a computer specialist to check that out?

PS I like your nipple

italic zero
06-01-2004, 06:36 PM
What about line out from the amp head into the computer?

theabstract
06-02-2004, 12:51 AM
yeah Italic Zero thats what it means to go direct in, and I'm not saying you cant get a good sound this way, it just takes a lot of stufing around!

Yatty
06-02-2004, 02:54 AM
Well I've got it to work...

but a problem has occurred...I hear a fuzzy noise in the background all the time...I do not know why...

I think it could be because i've got a stereo adapter, and plugged my mono jack cable in it...I'm not sure...but tomorrow I'll buy a mono adapter...hopefully that will work better..

Trent Hatfield Manson
06-03-2004, 02:51 AM
Ok Trent Hatfield Mason For you midi based band, I suggest you download a program called Fruity Loops 3.0 Its like midi but it uses samples so it sounds way better. You just arrange it and then export it as a wave file and put it in cool edit or whatever u use, this sounds sooooooo much better than midi!!

K, foe your other band, you can get away with a cheaper setup, but theres a few things you need to keep in mind...
-make sure the drum mics cant hear anything (for example put your guitar amps outside the room)
-make sure your drums sound abseloutly unreal before you start recording (new skins are great, but at least a new skin on the snare)
-make sure your drummer hits them ****ing hard

ok heres the setup...
Put a dynamic mic in the kick drum (prefferably a kick drum mic, but a vocal one will do if it has to)
-Put another one on the snare
-put a condenser mic over the whole kit (if it really really has to be, use a vocal mic with the gain turned up a bit)

Thats an allright setup on a budget.
Anothe option is to hire mics. With stands and leads it only costs about $10 per night, so if you could get all the drums done in two days then that would be relatively cheap.

There you go, hope that helped!

hey thanks for that
the thing with my MIDI type band is i have Fruity Loops, it aint really what i'm looking for, it seems to pre-done so i feel limited, maybe i'm just not using it right or something but yeh.... I've downloaded a trial version of a program called MIDI Maker, i was wondering if you knew of any programs alond those lines but better quality.
Any help would be great
Thanks

theabstract
06-03-2004, 04:23 AM
Fruity loops is really customisable, u just gotta spend time. I think u might be using The preset beats? Read the manual, once u know how to use it youll neverturn back!
Acid Pro is another sampling program.

theabstract
06-03-2004, 04:28 AM
yeah Yatty, um theres nothing wrong with using a stereo addapter, but the adapter or the lead might be stuffed?, also make sure your going into the line in, not the mic in

Yatty
06-03-2004, 04:34 AM
all the cables and stuff are brand new, and it's going into the line in...hmmm....

weezul_from_weezomodimmy
06-03-2004, 05:23 PM
this **** roooles man, thanks!!! ill be looking out for future posts becasue i record everything ayt home , but with like zero equipment- take a listen at http://www.soundclick.com/weezul

Music rockS
06-03-2004, 08:06 PM
I would just liek to say thanks to theabstract. I just copied all his lessons to word, printed them out, and am keeping them for recording sessions. Thanks for taking the time.

theabstract
06-04-2004, 05:46 AM
Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback, I'm glad I can help. But dont too many of u poen up studio cos i'll run out of business (nah, just jokes!) Yeah i'll do the next lesson soon, but ive been a bit busy with this punk band!

Hey weasle, do like the chillis, coz I ****ing love the chilis. If you want a chad smith snare sound, get a small metal snare and tune it up ****ing high!

Yatty, haven't got a clue wots going on, really sorry man!

theabstract
06-04-2004, 05:52 AM
hey weasle I love your music, very chili pepers like, and I love the chili pepers! Ill post some of my bands stuff once we've done our next CD, the last one kinda sucked, Oh well I'm a studio owner, not a ****ing guitarist (it wa the other way around when I was young). Were mad Chilis Heads To!!!!!!!!!

This User Name is taken.
06-04-2004, 06:02 AM
wow *saves page* thankyah

theabstract
06-04-2004, 06:16 AM
OK time for Next lesson

RECODING VOCALS

OK, vocals are very, very importsnt in modern day rock music. Even if the singer is just screaming, or yelling, they gotta be heard (turn feelings into words, eh weasle). Yeah you wont get that joke if you dont listen to chili peppers. The vocals are often the dominating feature in a song, so if they sound **** then the song will too.

All right, you should use a large diapfram condenser for vocals, but is your pockets are deep and your arms un-naturally short, then a dynamic mic will work, but i did warn you it's not gunna sound like something out of sunset strip (recording studios).

Deppending on how intimatly you sing, the distance away from the mic should change, for example, the dude out of SOAD, would stand further away, than Christina Agulera. A guide is about 20 cm, giv or take about 10-15. With dynamic mics you should only be about 2cm away from the mic

Its a good Idea to get a pop filter, to eliminate those annoying P's and B's, which are very obviouse with larg diapham condenst microphones.

If you can, run the vocals through a compressor, then a mic preamp, this isn't neccesary, but it gives the vocals a great warm sound.

Recomended Mics: By far the best cheap home recording large conderser I have Seen is the Behringer B1 and for $100, you cant go wrong!
If you have to use a dynamic mic, use an SM 57 if possible. This mic was used to record the vocals on the RHCP album californication, but it was put through some pretty serious effects ($$$$$$$$).

Hope that helps!
Next Lesson: Mixing
PS if the moderator is reading this, could he please sticky this coz I've put alot of time into it (i cant type very fast)

jashy
06-04-2004, 07:37 AM
PS if the moderator is reading this, could he please sticky this coz I've put alot of time into it (i cant type very fast)

they should sticky it, your doin a great thing :thumb:

Lexluthor
06-04-2004, 07:45 AM
Hey Yatti ive been having kinda the same problems at first I had a clear sound through the speakers but it was as if it didnt evan go through the computer because no program would recognize that there was sound playing (meaning I could not save the nosie I was hearing)

Then I tryed it on a different input it my PC and this time it let me record but, like you said I hear a fuzzy sound in the backgroung (well not just that it just sound eally terrible)

I got some new cables like you are gonna but it made no difference tell me if you work out the problem.

That Kid
06-04-2004, 11:47 AM
i have a question and if anyone could help me out id appreciate it.

we're looking for a very inexpensive way of recording because we dont have money. we've recorded some of our songs to a camcorder, and, while it may not be the best quality, it is good enough. next we're going to get a cable to transfer it to a computer and then edit it and hopefully make a cd. so heres my question: what software could we use and is there a way that we can take out the visuals and just make it audio? we want to make a cd, not a dvd, if thats possible.

thanks

Joe not-a-noob
06-04-2004, 03:05 PM
^^ Or what would be another cheap way to record. Do those multi-track ones record everything at once?

theabstract
06-04-2004, 03:59 PM
yeah multi-track recorders do record everything at once, if you buy one with enough inputs.

theabstract
06-04-2004, 05:17 PM
That kid, try to get a copy of cool edit pro 2.0, or adobe audition. You can simply click, extract audio from video, and there you go. You can then play around with the audio file and chop into different songs, and burn it to CD!

theabstract
06-04-2004, 05:44 PM
OK here we go...

LESSON 4, IN THE MIX

The main two things to constantly keep in mind when recording are

-make sure you get everything making a sound that will work well with the other sounds
-you ussually cant fix stuff all that well in the mix so, try to get the best sound possible when recording.

I've met a few other producers who get an ok sound and say "we'll just patch it up in the mix. This is wrong, wrong, wrong. To make it really easy to get an un-real sound when mixing, make sure you get un-real sounds whe recording.

Ok, there are two kindof ways you can go when mixing
1. Set all levels to nothing and bring them up one at a time, Eg, Bring up the Kick, then the snare, then the hats, then the toms, then the cymbals, then the bass guitar, then the lead, etc.

2. Set all the levels to 3/4 of the way up and adjust it from there. I suggest this method for more advanced recordists.

OK some tips and tricks:
-filter effects sound cool on vocals, for a bridge or something, but not the whole song
-light reverb gives vocals depth.
-the more reverb u put on something, the further away it sounds
-compression on drums
-compression on distorted guitars
-gate the kick drum to keep other drums out of this track, this applys to all drums actually
-less eq is often more, if you know what I mean
-often, just balancing the levels is all a mix needs, if you go over the top with effects it will surely start to sound like ****
-the adobe audition/cool edit pro preset called "power drums" enhances the drums alot!
-if something sounds a little strange, put a 30 band EQ on it and raise each band untill you find a really off sounding one, and drop it down a bit.

There you go, sometips and tricks for mixing, but heres a rough step by step guide
1. get a good sound when recording (most important)
2. Have a couple of days off between Mixing and recording
3. clean your studio thouroghly!
4. Set the levels.
5.have a break, go for a walk, or a surf or something to clear your head, drink a cup of tea. Dont drink any alcohol or smoke any dope!
6. go back in and listen through a couple of times, taking notes about what effects might be good.
7. Put the effects on. Be sparing, less is often more
8. Save it, turn everything off, lock up the studio, or just close the door if its in your house, and go hang with your friends for a couple of days. Listen to lots of music, maybe even dance like iggy pop for a while, meditate if thats what turns you on, go for a swim. Eat bacon and eggs (this isn't neccicary), go running. Then have a day of rest.
9. Then and only then, when your completetly relaxed, open up the studio and listen to the mix again. You'll probebly want to change about half of what you've done. After youve mixed it completly, make a mixdown, but keep the mix, in case a magical idea hits you!
10. Your all done! You dont have to spend this much time on all the songs, it just depends on how much time you have. I suggest recording in the summer holidays.
PS dont mix drunk!

Ok now you ready for lesson 4
MASTERING
PS common man sticky this

foreverbranded
06-04-2004, 08:33 PM
Hey man. This is a brilliant thread. Keep up the good work!

theabstract
06-04-2004, 11:29 PM
All right

MASTERING

mastering is the prosses of getting the audio as loud as possible, without it distorting and making the audio ready for broadcast or whatever your going to do with it.

Bassically the prosess involves

1. Turn the volume of the wave file up untill it distorts then bring it down a bit.
2. Add compression/limiting. It would take a very long time to explain how to use these two effects properly, so I suggest you type something into google.
3. Add eq, this may not be neccisary, but then again might be.
4. If you can, then record the whole thing through a tube preamp, to give it warmth, onto a minidisk or something, and then put it back onto the computer.

there you have it. The song is done!

Next lesson: Tips and tricks for pro sounding recordings on a budget.

theabstract
06-04-2004, 11:33 PM
After I have finished all the lessons I might make a printable version, does anyone think this would be good, as like a reference for when your recording...

rockindrummer
06-05-2004, 01:22 AM
ya i think that would be awsome i bet i will help out a bunch of ppl :thumb:

rockindrummer
06-05-2004, 01:22 AM
it will*

theabstract
06-05-2004, 02:37 AM
OK>

LESSON 5

TIPS AND TRICKS!

-if your running a mic through a mic pre-amp and a compressor, put the compressor first, so that what the pre-amp is proccesing is allready a nice compressed signal.
-the further away a mic is from its source, the more ambient it sounds.
-if your in the right frame of mind, recording becomes alot more easy and enjoyable
-having a wide range if mics is great
-for heavey stuff, sometimes a second mic inside the back of the amp sounds good
-for acoustic guitars, put two mics, one further away than the other, put a little reverb on, and pan the mics left and right. This gives an awsome, spacial Effect
-Take the time to experiment, sometimes the most awsome sounds come from doing the strangest things!
-If your studio dousn't sound pro enough for u, and u play rock and roll, try to get a 70's sound.
-Buying cheap gear, wont get you the goods, but there are some tricks (see below)
-mini mixers (like 8 ins) are great for home recording, so dont go for some big 56 track automated desk, because your not going to have enough outputs on the computer!
-listen to CDs and try to figure out how they got that sound.
-dont try to record in a big fat pile of leads and ****. In my studio i've run a multicore from all the different rooms into the controll room. U can do the same sort of thing by putting leads under rugs and stuff.

TRICKS FOR RECORDING ON A BUDGET

-to get a big led zeplin drum sound on a budget, tune the snare low, put a mic in the kick drum and put a condendser as far away from the kit as possible (while still in the same room)
-buy a soldering Iron and learn to fix your own leads, and eventually make your own, this can save alot of money
-split the recording costs between the band and put your studio in a place that everone agrees on
-if you cant afford a souncard with lots of inputs, do your parts one at a time, with someone playing along with your drummer with headphones.
-remember that a stereo input can be split into two mono ones using an adapter (for example a 3 input sound card becomes a 6 input sound card!)
-although you pressumably have little money, spend what u do have wisely, and research lots before you buy!

Well thats enough to get you guys going, ask a few questions, cos I'm about to make a printable version, With a freqently asked questions part...

I hope that youve all enjoyed these lessons as much as I've enjoyed writing them for u. Look out for the new thread (Home Recording: Printable)

Goodbye

That Kid
06-05-2004, 11:42 AM
thanks, theabstract. you're the man :thumb:

theabstract
06-05-2004, 04:11 PM
Thanks that kid!
If anyone is wondering The abstract is the name of my band, I'm nit an abstract person.

theabstract
06-05-2004, 04:11 PM
*not*

Scarred4Life
06-05-2004, 04:22 PM
wow, that is great stuff Sorry I didnt notice this before.

rockindrummer
06-06-2004, 01:21 AM
hey theabstract how much is a decent soundcard that is in canadian dollars

foreverbranded
06-06-2004, 01:30 AM
Hey theabstract, you have any mp3's of bands/artists you recorded in your studio?

theabstract
06-06-2004, 03:43 AM
rockin drummer, i'll get back to you soon on that one

Forever branded, Yeah I have some MP3's, but I've only just set up my MP3.com.au acount, and apparently they need 3-4 days to check the MP3's, so i'll post some, but it might take a while. Definitly within the next week. What style of music do you like? coz i'll post some that might take your fancy!

theabstract
06-06-2004, 03:47 AM
Rockindrummer, this is the same one I use "the soundblaster Audigy two platnum external" it costs $466.43, but you could get a different one, It just depends on how many things you want to record...

foreverbranded
06-06-2004, 12:10 PM
I am mostly into Rock and Experimental music. Also what are your thought on the Echo Darla 24 sound card? Is it a good buy for a home studio?

theabstract
06-06-2004, 04:36 PM
I havent seen one, could you give me a website where could check it out?

theabstract
06-06-2004, 04:43 PM
yeah I found that card, looks like it would be very good if you were just recording yourself. If you were trying to do a whole band at once, it wouldn't really work...

rockindrummer
06-06-2004, 08:16 PM
thanks for checkin that out i just wanna record a demo of my band and send it of to some record companies

theabstract
06-07-2004, 01:16 AM
The audigy card rocks for demos

rockindrummer
06-07-2004, 05:42 PM
awsome i think it might b a little expensive do u kno of anything else that is good for demos aswell but not as expensive?

Joe not-a-noob
06-07-2004, 06:05 PM
That kid, try to get a copy of cool edit pro 2.0, or adobe audition. You can simply click, extract audio from video, and there you go. You can then play around with the audio file and chop into different songs, and burn it to CD!

I got cool edit pro 2.0 downloaded but its only a trial version. Where can I get the full version for free?



(I am in his band)

rockindrummer
06-07-2004, 09:03 PM
does anyone no were to get sound cards would any electronic store work such as future shop etc.?

theabstract
06-08-2004, 01:26 AM
Jo Not A Noob. Go to www.kazaa.com download kazaa, then search for cool edit 2.0 full.

Rocking drummer, behringer is bringing out a good one soon. Check it out www.behringer.com then go to 'computer based recording'. Get sound cards at computer shops.

Also not a Noob
06-08-2004, 01:33 AM
Jo Not A Noob. Go to www.kazaa.com download kazaa, then search for cool edit 2.0 full.

Rocking drummer, behringer is bringing out a good one soon. Check it out www.behringer.com then go to 'computer based recording'. Get sound cards at computer shops.

I'll do that once my trial version is up. Thanks for all the help.

theabstract
06-08-2004, 02:35 AM
its cool

Vitriolic Rage
06-08-2004, 09:52 AM
Woah, tutorials are great!:thumb:
I'm downloading Fruity Loops as I speak, I've been meaning to get a decent drum program, I've had LeafDrums, that was too unrealistic sounding, and Hammerhead is ok.
I'm also gonna download Cubase after that, I have ProTools free version (which I can't figure out how to use!), and Krystal Wave Audio, which ain't bad.
www.kreatives.org

Trent Hatfield Manson
06-09-2004, 04:12 AM
Hey dude, i'm setting up my own recording studio in my home
i'm getting my computer soon with all the programs and **** and a bit later after that a 6 or 8 channel mixer.
I don't really know much about mixing **** at all and this has been very helpful but any advice you have for me?
The first song i'll probably record will be Sin by Nine Inch Nails, a MIDI file with guitar and vocals put over it, or Wish by Nine Inch Nails which would be played by me and some mates.
Also the cost of anything else i'd need would be great, in Australian dollars would be even better

ianbara
06-09-2004, 09:25 AM
Does anyone else have a terratec EWS88 MT soundcard? Im having trouble configuring it!

theabstract
06-09-2004, 04:32 PM
Trent Hatfeild mason. for all the prices of stuff in aus. go to www.venuemusic.com.au their really cheap.

once youve started recording, send me an email with any problems your having

fenderman3@hotmail.com

weezul_from_weezomodimmy
06-09-2004, 04:40 PM
hey weasle I love your music, very chili pepers like, and I love the chili pepers! Ill post some of my bands stuff once we've done our next CD, the last one kinda sucked, Oh well I'm a studio owner, not a ****ing guitarist (it wa the other way around when I was young). Were mad Chilis Heads To!!!!!!!!!

i ****ing love the chilis!!
going to see them in 8 days n counting in manchester, thanks for th comments what songs inparticular sound like the chilis? im intruiged lol

weezul_from_weezomodimmy
06-09-2004, 04:40 PM
ps thanks theabstract for the chad snare tip :thumb:

theabstract
06-11-2004, 05:36 AM
k someone wanted to hear a song recorded in the studio. Heres a song that I used to test the MP3.com.au system. It's not one that was recorded in my real studio, but one I recorded with my band (the same one I'm still with) when I was like 14 or 15, so i thought you guys might find it interesting cause your doing home studio stuff. hopefully I'll get some stuff from my real studio on the net soon, but don't hold your breath, I'm not a real computer wizz, just when it comes to recording. I'm playing guitar and singing, check it out...

http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=17976

SquierStrat3k1
06-11-2004, 06:24 PM
i like it, good quality...

theabstract
06-11-2004, 07:18 PM
yeah the qualities ok considering wot we were using!

RushHourSoul
06-12-2004, 03:57 PM
Can u post some music that you have done with your actual studio please. I'm curious to how it sounds. Thanks

RushHourSoul
06-12-2004, 04:08 PM
Wow just listened to your song, the quality's pretty good but the song's amazing! Very Chili-Peppers like (who im going to see in like 6 days!!!:D:D:D)
I love the bass it sounds well cool and guitar and drums everything also there is some nice effects. Sounds like something of By The Way but has some funky parts too.

theabstract
06-12-2004, 07:31 PM
Thanks lickedysplit, yeah i'm gunna post somethin real soon, I just waiting for it to clear with mp3.com!

rockindrummer
06-14-2004, 07:47 PM
hey does ne1 kno a really good drum loop program?

theabstract
06-15-2004, 01:34 AM
fruity loops or acid pro

MX_Mikhael
06-16-2004, 02:14 PM
hey... i record with an audigy 2... a small behringer eurorack 8 chan mixer... a midi interfase ... etc etc... i use cakewalk sonar and propellerheads reason...
i would like an update ... what should i get... a bunch of mics... or a better soundcard and mixer?? (i got an sm58 and a sm57)... i use them for everything...

i would also like some advice... i am very into recording, producing and all those things... the thing that i do not know... is if making a minor dipoloma or the whole major... keep in mind that im not from the US... nor Canada (mexico :) ) ...

btw...
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/6/mikahmusic.htm

listen to the first song.... (the rest sound like crap)

RushHourSoul
06-16-2004, 02:28 PM
That sounds pretty lush. The recording is good as well. :thumb: actually wait the first minute kinda sounds like the outro to Sir Psycho Sexy by the Chili Peppers. Which is a good thing

MX_Mikhael
06-16-2004, 08:15 PM
hey thanks for the comments... hehe...

Vitriolic Rage
06-17-2004, 06:46 AM
fruity loops or acid pro
No, no, no, not Fruityloops, it sounds too techno-music like. Hammerhead is a good program, look for it on www.download.com.
I am gonna try and mic my practice amp today, I only have a rubbishy uni-directional mic, so I don't know what it'll sound like.

theabstract
06-18-2004, 02:01 AM
yes, yes, yes fruity loops, just get some good samples you idiot, if it sounds techno, then your using techno samples

RushHourSoul
06-18-2004, 07:48 AM
Where do you get good samples from? record them yourself??

theabstract
06-18-2004, 03:50 PM
you could record them yourself, or you can buy them, or I'm pretty sure if you type it in kazaa you'de probebly find some

Stuff
06-19-2004, 11:46 PM
yes, yes, yes fruity loops, just get some good samples you idiot, if it sounds techno, then your using techno samples
fruityloops is great..anyway im also an engineer in the making and i only have one thing to say about the monitor thing..and that is just make sure it sounds good through your monitors, your headphones and a little radio and you car radio...just check it on more than one place because it might sound awesome on one..but like you said it can sound crap on others..other wise everything else sounds awesome :thumb:

sublimeisnice
06-20-2004, 12:05 AM
How well does the MR-8 work for home recording? me and my friend have a few songs and we'd like to make a demo, with me on drums and him playing bass and guitar, so we were gonna buy that to record plus several mikes, most likely the one you suggested for snares , the one you suggested for the bass drum, and then one or two for cymbals. We were thinking of micing up the drums and recording them first. Then plug the guitar directly into it and record that. and do the same with the bass. that way i can drum along with him while he records...does this sound reasonable? Also do those things(the MR8) require special tapes to record?

Chimp_fleshwound
06-20-2004, 10:00 AM
the MR-8 records onto compact flash, and apparently the one supplied with it cant hold much data onit.

Is the Digidesign M-Box, an 8 track mixer and a few mics good enough to record good quality stuff?

Vitriolic Rage
06-20-2004, 11:30 AM
What sort of mic should I get for mic-ing my amp? I have a crappy Goodmans Uni-Directional ACC 2011, but you have to have the amp as high as hell to pick anything up. Recommend me a good mic that could also be used for vocals. Not one that's too expensive either.

Stuff
06-20-2004, 06:36 PM
shure sm-57
the classic..theabstract mentionted it on here..the model that has a built in pop-filter is the sm58 but the 57 works fine

theabstract
06-20-2004, 07:00 PM
the sm-58 is actually a completely different mic to the 57.

RushHourSoul
06-24-2004, 05:47 PM
Can someone explain what compression does?

theabstract
06-25-2004, 07:32 PM
I lied everyone. I'm only 15. I'm not really a producer, well I do record bands, but it's not my main priority. sorry for deciving you but i wanted u to take me seriously.

PS I did still write this whole thing, and the stuff in it is all correct.

LeeM
06-26-2004, 09:32 PM
Good you came clean dude, but lieing isnt the way to get respect. anyway.

whats your opinion on Isolation Bozs, im thinking of making one... should i?

theabstract
06-27-2004, 01:35 AM
yeah make the Isolation Box. Making anything is great practice. I've made a distortion pedal and I was pretty stoked and for only $10 ya laughin!

RushHourSoul
06-27-2004, 09:03 AM
Can someone answer my question pweeeez?

LeeM
06-27-2004, 01:25 PM
yeah make the Isolation Box. Making anything is great practice. I've made a distortion pedal and I was pretty stoked and for only $10 ya laughin!
yeah ive made Effect pedals aswell.

but i dont know if i should bother making an isolation box, will it help make my sound better or just louder.

theabstract
06-27-2004, 04:59 PM
leem that depends on what gear you have now, write a list and I'll decide weather it will make your sound any better.

LeeM
06-28-2004, 04:42 AM
Marshall Avt50
Epiphone Les paul

Metallicadrummer
06-28-2004, 06:05 AM
Hey theabstract...i've searched kazaa for fruityloops, acidpro and leafdrums, and all three cam up with no result...do you think you could tell me exactly what to search for to find these programs?
thanks

theabstract
06-28-2004, 06:14 AM
leem you probebly dont need the iso box, do u mic that setup?

Metallicadrummer
06-28-2004, 06:24 AM
okay, n.m. found a trial version, that'll do...where can i download some samples to use then?

shadedlife
06-28-2004, 10:52 AM
hey mikah - i liked that song.

theabstract
06-28-2004, 04:22 PM
are there any samples on kazza?

LeeM
06-28-2004, 04:28 PM
leem you probebly dont need the iso box, do u mic that setup?
what will the isol box add to my sound?

RushHourSoul
06-28-2004, 04:36 PM
go on google then type in drum samples. I got plenty of there. OR try and get some of a few drum make's websites.

theabstract
06-29-2004, 12:50 AM
leem, an iso box would only benifit u if
1.your amp is tube or
2. your recording at the same time as other people
3. your neibours are dickheads.

Basically the iso box will make your sound cleaner and less muddy in the cass of recording with other people. It will allow u to crank your amp loud, which is neccicary for tube amps to get a good tone.

fleas_fingers
06-29-2004, 01:00 AM
to theabstract:

bull****!! you are NOT 15!! as if you are! u know so much... by the way, i'm the one who emailed you for some time about being a music producer......how can u know that much? nah, i don't believe you...

theabstract
06-29-2004, 01:31 AM
yeah I am 15 check out my bands web site for photo's www.the-abstract.cjb.net
I just know alot because I do it alot and research alot. I did work experience in a studio. sorry about lying man, but I am 15. I live in coffs Harbour Australia. I'm in a band with two guys called daniel and james. I know about becoming a producer because thats what I'm planning. sorry man.

Metallicadrummer
06-29-2004, 09:06 AM
hey theabstract...i was wondering if you could give me some advice on soundproofing...

my band are turning the guitarists garage into a practice room, the garage is made of breeze blocks, and has one window and a huge metal door (like most garages) we were planning to buy some fuk-heavy curtains, and hang them from teh ceiling in front of all teh walls, and the door, except the door curtains would have to be on a rail, so we could slide them to and fro...should this be enough to mute three 50W amps (two gutiar, one bass) one drumkit and the PA system (probably around 50W)

if this would not be enough, what could we do to 'proof teh garage even more?

theabstract
06-29-2004, 04:51 PM
well, this is what I did in our jamming room. On the inside of the garage we did a whole extra layer of walls on the inside and packed the space in between with insulation and foam. But thats fairly permanent and costly (around $100 or so). So another way is. Get as much foam and crap as u can find and pack it in the window. Then put a piece of ply over the top and screw it to the window frame. This is important coz lotsa sound will get out here. next, fill the gap at the top of the metal door with blanket and foam and whateva u can find. Then hang curtains every where about 5 inches from the walls. This will creat an air gap, slowing and speeding up the travel of the sound waves, therefore defusing it faster because of changing mediums. Ok hope that helps. Email me if not fenderman3@hotmail.com have fun jammin :)

fleas_fingers
06-29-2004, 08:47 PM
ok man, i believe you....

gotta hand it to you....really seemed like you were in ur late 20s or something...you've done your research!! seems like ur a pretty smart guy...only 15. sh*t, you're younger than me. :) yeh, i reckon you could become a music producer....i mean, with the knowledge you have. thanks for helping .

theabstract
06-29-2004, 11:03 PM
yeah i'm good at bull****ing lol. There's a picture of my on my avatar now so i'll never be able to again. sorry again fleas finger. Btw I love RHCP if u didn't know.

Liquid Force
07-03-2004, 07:35 PM
yea i just wanted to say great thread....i was just wondering when the "Home Recording:Printable Thread" is going to be up.....or has it been up i just missed it...

theabstract
07-03-2004, 07:56 PM
umm... yeah crap i forgot about the printable version. lol. I'll do it soon. I might do it as a word document and email it to whoever wants it coz there is a limit on how many words u can put on a post. But I will do it. Email me if u want one.
fenderman3@hotmail.com

Liquid Force
07-03-2004, 09:04 PM
ooo i dont one anymore b/c that is exactly what i did just copy and pasted all the lessons into word....so thx anyway

theabstract
07-03-2004, 09:26 PM
I made the printable version. I changed it a bit too, to show my true identity lol

RichHunt
07-04-2004, 09:02 AM
I'm looking into getting this

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23785&item=3733520313&tc=photo

and this

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15198&item=3733501719&tc=photo

for my band. I will eventually get some Shure SM57's and a nice Kick Drum mic but they are very costly.

Now, I have a Desktop computer, with the appropriate software.

Mic wise I plan on using on overhead, one snare and one kick drum for the drumkit.

A Mic up to an amp each for the guitars and a mic direct in for vocals.

What leads/wires should I plan on getting and how exactly does the mixer hook up to the PC?

Are there little things I should know before hand?

Will it hurt that much to have the amps on loud and the kit on in the same room? If so, can we make it not so bad by putting a matress in between (big matress too)

I won't be able to afford monitors straight off or anything, but that doesn't bother me, we're just going to record a few demos, maybe take them to a place that HAS got monitors and see if they are that bad there, but still yeah.

What does anyone think of that setup?

theabstract
07-04-2004, 04:18 PM
thats a really nice desk man... wanna give it to me lol... ****s on mine. yeah thats good. As for the behringer 3 pack I have those mics. They acctually go ok on the snare drum. I sometimes use one of them over the 57 lol (not often). but yeah get them. Just make sure that everything sounds good before u record it. Make sure the drums are tuned good and it will sound OK. I have actually recorded that way a long time ago... one on the snare, one in the kick one overhead. Anyhow, hook me up on msn and I'll explain a few more things to u :)

Vitriolic Rage
07-05-2004, 06:43 AM
Hey theabstract...i've searched kazaa for fruityloops, acidpro and leafdrums, and all three cam up with no result...do you think you could tell me exactly what to search for to find these programs?
thanks
Kazaa, I found LeafDrums on www.download.com, then download Drumkit From Hell from Kazaa, which is a load of drum samples, use those in Leafdrums, and bazzam!
If you go here you can dwnload drum samples from the Alesis SR - 16 drum machine: http://www.hollowsun.com/vintage/sr16/

Itwasthatwas
07-05-2004, 08:04 PM
You can get Drumkit From Hell from KaZaA?!?!?!?! I searched KaZaA for a week and couldn't find it.

theabstract
07-05-2004, 09:18 PM
who said u can get a drumkit from hell? type samples

Itwasthatwas
07-06-2004, 04:34 PM
um... that didn't make any sense.... what are you talking about? look at the post above mine (above yours).

casbah rocker
07-07-2004, 12:40 PM
hey abstract, nice thread i been reading up and i just got an account

anyway, me and my band are planning on recording a cd by ourselves soon and i ws wondering... how do you keep each of the mics from picking up the other instruments if you record all the tracks in one take? or do you not record all the tracks in one take? and if you dont then how do you do it?

Chimp_fleshwound
07-07-2004, 02:28 PM
is the Zoom MRS1266 any good?

BassMan182
07-07-2004, 04:16 PM
I have a questions for 'thabstract'...

you recommend the Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Zs Platinum, well i've been looking around and found one here http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=800826115&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=52726

is this what i need? there are so many types. i have a laptop PC, which i wil take to band rehearsel, the software, the mics etc. would this serve to record the bass, drums and guitar simultaneously, so that the vocals can be overlayed afterwards?

thanks very much, this topic has been very useful :)

LeeM
07-08-2004, 09:20 AM
Abstract.. you crazy knowledgable freak... lol, any i got some Q's

i got a cable that goes from teh Line out on my amp to the line in on my PC but it only plays back through one speaker? what should i do? have you used the Shure PG57 Microphone? i know shures usually quality products so im thinking it should be ok?

MX_Mikhael
07-08-2004, 12:39 PM
LeeM that is because the audio out of your amp is probably monoaural. Ive used the shure mikes... they are pretty nice.

rageagainstthemachine1
07-09-2004, 09:47 PM
Thanks for a great lesson

Aes820
07-09-2004, 10:37 PM
Will it hurt that much to have the amps on loud and the kit on in the same room? If so, can we make it not so bad by putting a matress in between (big matress too)
Sometimes the sound from loud amps can vibrate the snare drum. This isn't very nice when coming through into a recording. I think some insulation around the kit would be a good idea. A matress would be good.
anyway, me and my band are planning on recording a cd by ourselves soon and i ws wondering... how do you keep each of the mics from picking up the other instruments if you record all the tracks in one take? or do you not record all the tracks in one take? and if you dont then how do you do it?
Proper insulation, like i mentioned above, will sort out the problem of other instruments bleeding into open mics.
Then again, a sound tech may mute out some microphones (or have a noise gate on 'em) if they are not used for extended amounts of time.

With regards to one take or multi take recording. It really depends. On how much time you are willing to devote to each track, how long you are prepared to spend in the studio, and/or how much you are willing to pay.

For example; To start off, A band may make a one take recording of themselves. They then might go back and re-record some particular guitar riffs, solos and lead breaks and then layer those ontop of the original recording - maybe only one or two per song. Then the vocalist will then lay down the Melody and the Harmonies ontop of the whole lot. And that could be it.

Some other times, a band may play each of their parts seperately. PLaying along while listening to a pre-recorded example of their song. Once all individual parts are recorded, the sound tech would then piece them all together. Sometimes layering multiple versions of the one instrument many times on top of each other. Then you've got the melodies and the harmonies as before.
Something like this will take more time and efort than the previous.
But it all comes down to how much you are prepared to put in.

Aes820
07-09-2004, 10:49 PM
Can someone explain what compression does?
I dunno if this has been answered or not yet, but:

Compression is a tool used to prevent clipping.
When a signal is too strong for the equipment it is running through. The signal is clipped out and distortion occours. Now, this is terrible while recording. Because even if you get even the slightest hint of digital clipping while recording the whole recording is pretty much ruined.

A compressor monitors the level of your signal and adjusts it to ensure that it does not clip. It affects your entire signal so that even the loudest sounds are within the 'headroom' levels of your recording equiment. By basically, compressing it. So your loud sounds are less loud, and your quiet sounds are less quiet.

Put simply, they even out the levels of your sound.

RushHourSoul
07-10-2004, 06:29 AM
Thanks buddy :)

casbah rocker
07-10-2004, 09:47 PM
aes820, i think i get what your saying, but basically if were recroding in the guitar players basement, then we can use some insulation between the amps and around the drums, record in one take with minimal interference, and then overdub the vocals and any parts that are expecially important, right?

thanks

Aes820
07-10-2004, 09:59 PM
Yeah. That'll do it..
If you do a one take recording.. And it is tight, sounding good, and you are happy with it. Then just lay over the vocals. And perhaps extra guitar lead breaks or whatever. And that'll do it.
As long as you are happy with it.

PinkFloyd
07-12-2004, 12:26 AM
I don't know where the jack is to plug into your soundcard :confused:

omGiTsJameS08
07-12-2004, 03:15 AM
can i get a recording system for drums and bass and guitar for about under 150$?? i mean not state of the art just good right now im using a 10$ mic u can actaully here it all lol..

TheSoundOfYourVoice
07-12-2004, 10:58 PM
I dont know if this has been asked before..... but i've noticed that the plug on the end of an SM57 mic doesnt adapt to any of the inlets in my computer. would i use an adapter for it, or does an external sound card have a mic plug?

Aes820
07-12-2004, 11:23 PM
You can buy adapters to take the XLR connection on the back of the Microphone down to a 6.5mm TRS Plug. Then another adaptor to take the 6.5mm plug down into one that'll fit into the microphone input on the back of your soundcard.
It will work this way. Although you'll get better results is you run the mic through a preamp before. Like one on a small mixer board.
This will probably be the simplest way tho.

TheSoundOfYourVoice
07-12-2004, 11:41 PM
do you think the SM57 is the best value for a mic ( 108 bucks locally) for recording acoustic songs?

Aes820
07-12-2004, 11:44 PM
Yeah, The SM57 is pretty much the industry standard for instrument micing.

PinkFloyd
07-20-2004, 09:44 PM
Hows does this pre-amp work?

Guitar --> Pre-Amp ----> Soundcard?

What exactly is a pre-amp?

Aes820
07-21-2004, 07:33 PM
A preamp amplifies your guitars signal up to a level so that it can be reckognised clearly and accuratly by other equipment.
It will allso you to control things like Gain, as well as it's EQing. It allows you to shape your tone to give you the ability to achieve differnt sounds.

glooeater
07-23-2004, 04:16 PM
what about something like just a stardard 5.1 or 7.1 soundcard with a firewire port, and getting an m-audio firewire recording interface?

Chimp_fleshwound
07-24-2004, 05:04 AM
does anyone have any tips on recording distorted guitar using an SM57?

theabstract
07-24-2004, 05:46 AM
aes820 i officially dubb u the answerer of questions in this thread...I am over it so have fun :)

PS your smarter than me too :)
PS the internet is taking over my life

Aes820
07-24-2004, 06:07 AM
Whaa!? You can't just ditch me with it.. :p

theabstract
07-24-2004, 06:10 AM
oh yes i can...theyre all your brudda!

theabstract
07-24-2004, 06:13 AM
hey aes man...get msn i wanna talk to you

omica
07-25-2004, 12:19 PM
hey i was wondering do i really need v amps if i want to record? what exactly does the v amp do? yea and whats the difference between the pods and the v amps?

theabstract
07-25-2004, 04:18 PM
pods and v-amps do the same thing...they imitate the sound of good amps. Unnecicary if you have a good amp and a good mic.
PS the pods better

xXAcousticTearsXx
07-25-2004, 05:36 PM
Ok, I'm going to record in a basement. It has no carpet should i throw a few rugs down? and it has cindeblock walls is that good or bad???

shadedlife
07-25-2004, 07:16 PM
you're going to get crazy amounts of reverb if you don't put some padding in and around your recording space.

theabstract
07-26-2004, 01:24 AM
blankets hung on walls
carpet and rug on floor

xXAcousticTearsXx
07-26-2004, 11:25 AM
Ok thanks, Can you guys recommend a good acoustic guitar mike and an vocal mike that go for around 50 dollars?

theabstract
07-26-2004, 04:02 PM
if that means 50 us...then the behring b1....or the sm-57

omica
07-26-2004, 04:34 PM
okay i got a marshall amp and a shure sm58. is that good to record with or should i just by the v amps?

Tom-Guitarist
07-26-2004, 04:50 PM
Ok so i got this neat bit of software called audacity which i can layer tracks with etc. and add limited effects with. Problem is i have been recording with this digital camera so sound quality is bad. Is there a way of plugging my guitar or amp into my pc for direct recording? Thanks

theabstract
07-26-2004, 06:01 PM
Ok so i got this neat bit of software called audacity which i can layer tracks with etc. and add limited effects with. Problem is i have been recording with this digital camera so sound quality is bad. Is there a way of plugging my guitar or amp into my pc for direct recording? Thanks

woah dude...I think we went through this. Read the lessons.

drummerdunc86
07-29-2004, 04:23 PM
my dad moved out of my house and my room is his used-to-be-studio room. so ive got carpet on the walls and its pretty much a dream place to set up a studio of my own, which i want to do. im going to move my drumset to my room and make it into a studio and i need some help:

is a laptop okay instead of a desktop computer?

what is a good processor/harddrive space for the laptop?

what type of Behringer Truths monitors should i get, and do they just hook up to the laptop...?

what are the best mics i can get for my drumset?

will the standard sound card that comes with laptop be good enough?

does the drums/guitar records into mixer which records into laptop...? i just dont get how everything hooks up :/

Adobe Audition says it can mix so should i still buy a mixer?

any help is appreciated.

theabstract
07-29-2004, 08:11 PM
well i'm @ school righ now so i cant write a long reply...read the 2nd or 3rd lesson about how everything hooks up

drummerdunc86
07-29-2004, 08:37 PM
im going to buy Adobe Audition tomorrow :D

and im going to begin my search for a good cheap desktop computer (ditched laptop idea) for recording. should i search eBay or do you all know a good cheap electronics website?

Hybridtheorylplb
07-30-2004, 02:33 AM
what kinda drum mics would u suggest?

X0senses_fail0X
07-30-2004, 11:26 AM
I have a really old 4-track recorder, that records onto cassettes. Me(drums) and my friend (guitar) have a couple songs, and we want to record them in hopes to come up with lyrics eventually. Problem is we only have one mic. What would be the best way to do this? LIke just use the mic for drums and guitar(from the amp) Or straight in with guitar, and mic for drums?. Also where would be the best place to put the mic to record drums and guitar?

drummerdunc86
07-30-2004, 02:12 PM
theabstract i finally took the time to read all of your guide and they and very informing and there is a special place in heaven for you for writing these lessons. :D

the excitement is f*cking killing me i cant wait to start my home studio aaaaaaaaah!

theabstract
07-30-2004, 03:36 PM
yeah starting a studios lotsa fun. I'm pretty exited myself...we're doing a new cd in 2 weeks (yay) its gunna be fun. I havn't recorded anything in ages. Yay i also have another band coming in to do a demo. ($200 :) ) Theres an update on my life lol.

Aes820
07-31-2004, 06:09 AM
I have a really old 4-track recorder, that records onto cassettes. Me(drums) and my friend (guitar) have a couple songs, and we want to record them in hopes to come up with lyrics eventually. Problem is we only have one mic. What would be the best way to do this? LIke just use the mic for drums and guitar(from the amp) Or straight in with guitar, and mic for drums?. Also where would be the best place to put the mic to record drums and guitar?
One mic for the drumkit ay?
Position the mic at about shoulder height a foot or two behind the drummer. This location usually gives you the best reuslts while using jsut the one mic.
Run the guitarists amps direct into the 4-track. If you can. But watch your levels.

X0senses_fail0X
07-31-2004, 12:28 PM
Thanks alot

takemypicture
08-02-2004, 03:20 PM
Alright, now I'm a bit of a newbie at this kinda thing, and with the help of your Lesson #3 I managed to record stuff with Cool Edit Pro 2.0 (formerly known as Adobe Audtition, I think). My problem is that when I'm recording and doing the "Moniter Record Levels" thing, only the top green bar is moving around. The bottom one doesnt do anything, and then once I've recorded something and I'm playing it back, the sound is only coming out of one speaker. I apologize for my ignorance but could someone please help me out with this? Thanks.

theabstract
08-02-2004, 04:19 PM
thats coz guitars are mono...(only the left bar will go up...what you need to do is go to the side of the track that your recording in and click "rec 1" and then once your in there...change it to mono.

takemypicture
08-02-2004, 04:44 PM
Thanks a lot!

theabstract
08-02-2004, 06:02 PM
no problemo

GenerixDrummer
08-04-2004, 12:49 AM
ok my band wants to record music but all we have is a video cam.Like we have the AMps and pa system speakers inthe back ofthe garage next to my drums if we were to put the camera in the front ofthe garage would it sound ok to record ?

theabstract
08-04-2004, 02:53 AM
that would sound pretty s-h-i-t....but you could always chuck the sound from the camera onto your computer and try to clean it up a bit in there.

Led Guitar
08-04-2004, 04:01 PM
It's actually not bad, if you have a good camcorder.

Led Guitar
08-04-2004, 04:02 PM
But where you place the speakers and drumset is critical.

GenerixDrummer
08-04-2004, 04:07 PM
well where is a good place to place the camera and the speakers and the drums?

black_star
08-04-2004, 05:47 PM
when are ya gonna convert this into lessons format you said you were gonna do ?
i'm a newbie and more than half of the things that you said were not understood, but i still got lotsa time as i'm still working for my bass, and by the time i learn bass, make a band , make songs/covers , i could learn all this. i'm 16 btw

theabstract
08-04-2004, 05:52 PM
gimme your email and i'll send you the printable version

drummerdunc86
08-05-2004, 12:32 AM
okay...

i bought this computer: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=541568&sku=E400-T2778

i bought Adobe Audition.

my dad is lending my a mixer and some mic's.

now how do i hook up the mixer to the computer? (there is a front/back pic of the computer in that link)
do i hook it into one of those audio jacks?

theabstract
08-05-2004, 01:48 AM
hook the mixer into the "line in" audio jack...the speakers go in the "line out"...you leave the "mic in" empty :)

drummerdunc86
08-05-2004, 08:59 AM
thanks :D

Led Guitar
08-05-2004, 12:13 PM
I'm trying to record Guitar > Mixer > RCA to 1/4 into a 1/4 to 1/8" adapter. How ever it sounds terrible. I get almost nothing at all. What am I don't wrong. I have Behringer UB802 mixer.

bonzia
08-05-2004, 03:35 PM
hey theabstract i wanted to talk about setting up a recording studio really not about a home recording.

i was wondering like how hard it was to set up and if theres big risks and stuff involved, also how old were u when u set it up?ummmmm and is it good money

im sure i had lots more q? but i 4got them anyway thatll do for now. sorry if this has been covered but i didnt bother reading through all the pages

AfroDrummer16
08-05-2004, 03:37 PM
ok i have a ? for theabstract, recently my band recored a couple of songs with a really ****ty digital camera about the size of your hand, hear them at www.purevolume.com/lostcalvary but neways is there recording software I can dowload from kazaa to make the recordings sound better?

bonzia
08-05-2004, 04:12 PM
oh bum i just read your confession theabstract but anyway are you thinking of setting up a studio?

and how do you know so much if your reallyonly 15?

also has anyone set up a studio, is it hard?

theabstract
08-05-2004, 04:42 PM
I have a studio, its not hard if you know what your doing

theabstract
08-05-2004, 04:45 PM
^^^ but it costs heaps and heaps....and unless you can make a decent name for yourself quickly...you ain't goin no-where. Dont get me wrong dude..just coz i'm 15 doesnt mean I dont sell studio time. Yeah so bassically the amount of business you do will depend on your knowledge, how you can implement that knowledge and if people know about you.

theabstract
08-05-2004, 04:47 PM
^^^^oh yeah and its incredble money if people think you are worth it. Me ($30)/hour thats 5 times minimum wage for 15 year olds in my country

theabstract
08-05-2004, 04:50 PM
ok i have a ? for theabstract, recently my band recored a couple of songs with a really ****ty digital camera about the size of your hand, hear them at www.purevolume.com/lostcalvary but neways is there recording software I can dowload from kazaa to make the recordings sound better?
your best bet would be to get cool edit 2.0 or adobe audition and try to tweak the e.q and compression to try to clean up the tracks a little, bassically its kinda hard to fix a ****ty recording unless u know what ur doing...um...whats your adress? i'll come round and give u a hand lol.

AfroDrummer16
08-05-2004, 06:26 PM
haha, i doubt you live in wichita, kansas, thanks for the suggestion tho...

bonzia
08-05-2004, 06:47 PM
so how did you learn all that you know it cant of all been off the internet cuz its not that type of thing is it? urr ho much hav u spent on your recording equpment then? and where do you record ?

Aes820
08-05-2004, 06:50 PM
^ In cool edit there is a noise reduction filter. Used to decrease white noise. It might help.. That along with a bit of selective EQing.
But the thing with video cameras is, you're never going to get a very good recording quality in the first place.
And no matter how much you try to dress it up, the quality is never going to improve too much because the quality was never there in the first place..
But, by all means give it a go and tweak it.

bonzia
08-05-2004, 06:51 PM
im going to bed now

omGiTsJameS08
08-06-2004, 12:51 AM
i have a 10$ mic under some towels it records way better


http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/noescapemusic.htm


put it under towels it records a bit better i dont know if it evens out sounds wav or what i have no idea about this crap i just noticed i out towels overi t and recorded better

theabstract
08-06-2004, 01:09 AM
wow lol ^^^^

drummerdunc86
08-06-2004, 06:18 PM
this is the mixer im going to be using...anyone familiar with this mixer...? (MACKIE Micro Series 1202)

drummerdunc86
08-06-2004, 06:21 PM
pic wont load..

thechaosrealm
08-07-2004, 11:37 AM
looks like you've got a lot of knowledge man. i wouldn't recommend telling people to download the software though. that's illegal. :thumb: also, your drum micing is cool, but sometimes it's too much, especially if someone is just trying to get a basic recording. bass drum is the easiest to be miked up for me. i've got a shure pg-52 and it works great; just throw it an inch back from the hole, stuff a pillow inside the drum, it sounds perfect. i have a dynamic microphone positioned behind my drummer's head positioned closer to the ride than the hi-hat; that way it picks up the ride well. i have a condenser overhead near the hi-hat and crashes and splashes that he has on that side. and i've also got another condenser over the china and crashes on the ride side; it picks all those up louder than the ride which is why the mic behind helps to get that a little better. the mic behind the drummer picks everything up well, but i like the condensers on top just to add some brightness. they don't even need to be loud; just there a little. this has been the most effective way for me to mic drums. like i mentioned before; you only need the two mics for those budget tight people.

i strongly recommend throwing sheets up in the room if you're in a small room. we have a LOT of reverb because our band room is like, 12x14 but once we throw up some blankets and whatnot it'll be a lot better.



ACOUSTIC FOAM!!!!

check out ebay for some acoustic foam. i found some really good deals; yea it was used, but it was in great shape no rips or tears or anything.

actually, ebay is a great place to start looking for everything. you can always find rockin deals if you're patient and look around for a few days.

that's all i've got for now guys.

theabstract
08-07-2004, 03:34 PM
Who cares if its illegal^^^^ Its not like cops check home pc for programs (except in germany)

Led Guitar
08-07-2004, 11:18 PM
What's the point of acoustic foam? Just to soundproof a room?

theabstract
08-08-2004, 12:13 AM
^^^no...it hardly soundproofs at all. It stops soundwaves reverberating off the wall and back into the mic. This is important coz the waves coming into the mic off the wall will be different to the ones coming out of your mouth/ guitar amp etc.

drummerdunc86
08-08-2004, 02:43 PM
i have carpet on my walls, is that good enough?

theabstract
08-08-2004, 04:03 PM
^^^ its a helluva lot better than nothing!

SillyPuddyonIce
08-08-2004, 05:55 PM
I'm sorry if this was asked, but I wasnt about to read through 8 pages to see...

My friend is starting a small little studio out of his basement. He has couple of good microphones, an couple thousand dollar recorder with 16 tracks I believe, and has plenty of other equipment. He has no clue really what he should charge? He was thinking like a $100 for the whole thing if it only takes a few days.

What should he charge? My band will probably be his first customers in a few months.

theabstract
08-08-2004, 06:09 PM
i have about that same amount of gear. I charge 10/hour

theabstract
08-08-2004, 06:13 PM
Australian^^^^

Sandtrap
08-08-2004, 09:02 PM
whould you be interested in prducing a band? (mine hint...hint)

theabstract
08-09-2004, 01:07 AM
I live in australia...I'd be happy to...but chances are you dont live any where near me...I guess i could knock down the price if you had to travel. Dont forget i'm only 15...Some people are put off by that.

opiate4themasses
08-09-2004, 12:51 PM
Hey thanks for the help that abstract gave me, but I still need a little more. I was told the tracks were off timing was because of the buffer or latency. Problem is, I dont know where to find those values and change them in the program I'm using (Audacity).

Sandtrap
08-10-2004, 08:12 PM
I live in australia...I'd be happy to...but chances are you dont live any where near me...I guess i could knock down the price if you had to travel. Dont forget i'm only 15...Some people are put off by that.

Hey! Im only 16! Maybe in a few years we can talk alittle bit more about production at the sort. Right now Im in a band that plays alot of stuff like Van Halen, Zepplin, Motley Crue, that ****. If you could probuce me in like 2, 3, 4 years that whould be cool. Tell me what kind of music you usually produce and what your into... :wave:

Sandtrap
08-12-2004, 02:57 PM
Hey me again! I was just lookin at Cakewalk and that looks really good! Im acctually thinkin about buyin the Cakewalk-Guitar Tracks Pro 3. It looks like a really good program...and I really just want to record a demo or something. The only thing Im worried about is that I have a Dell with windows XP...but I dont know if I have everything that I need. What is a Windows compatible MIDI Interface? Do I have it?

theabstract
08-13-2004, 02:26 AM
Hey! Im only 16! Maybe in a few years we can talk alittle bit more about production at the sort. Right now Im in a band that plays alot of stuff like Van Halen, Zepplin, Motley Crue, that ****. If you could probuce me in like 2, 3, 4 years that whould be cool. Tell me what kind of music you usually produce and what your into... :wave:


I produce any kind of music...zepplin ****s the goods man. I live in coffs harbour..how bout you?

Sandtrap
08-13-2004, 06:00 PM
I live in atlanta...as I said maybe in like a few years of so. I dont have enough cash to get the Austrailia now...Im thinkin about just recordin a little something at home. I was lookin into Cakewalk and it looks really good. Can you tell me a little about that and what all I need? I heard that you need a whole lot of **** just to record a pretty good little thing...help me out please?

Sandtrap
08-13-2004, 06:08 PM
P.s. I dont have any fanzy computer and dont entend on buyin a new one, just a fairly new Dell with windows XP. I dont know if I have all those weird ports, and I dont want to have to install those if at all nessesary...

janyeno
08-13-2004, 09:42 PM
I want to start in on a little home recording studio...

Right now I have a comp... with onboard sound.... I use cool edit pro 2.0

I bought a 1/4 - 1/8 converter and am using that to record instruments with...

I have about a 200$ budget... Whats my main priority to buy that will really help my recording...? I read your posts but im confused as to what I really really need to get decent recording... What can't I get by without?

Oh yeah... is it ok to line out from my guitar amp into the computer??? I think you said it was ok for bass... but why not for guitar?

theabstract
08-13-2004, 10:49 PM
well your budget is small...i sugest a sm-57. A small mixer and a mic pre-amp

janyeno
08-14-2004, 01:18 AM
do I need a line out slot? on my soundcard?

theabstract
08-14-2004, 02:13 AM
well....if you want to hear whats coming out of the computer you need a lineout. Every comp has them. Its where you plug the speakers

xLATERALUSSx
08-15-2004, 04:44 AM
Well I finally have a decent job and have some cash to put down on new equipment, such as a new electric guitar, probably the Ravelle, as well as a Casio WK-3000. My computer is 2.8GHz, 512MB RAM... I want to be able to record the guitar and keyboard and mix it, as cheaply as possible, for I have a buddy who has ProTools and a mixer and the whole shebang when I wanna make it count. I may buy a microphone (cheap but somewhat decent) in a few months if I wanna lay down vocals... My soundcard is what came with it, no 1/4" jacks... Will I need a new card? How much would this cost? I don't need a mixer or drums or whatever, because these would be more or less rough drafts and experimental stuff. Thanks in advance to whoever can help. Take it easy.

Retrovertigo
08-15-2004, 07:53 PM
^^ a shure sm57 will work if you mic it up in front of your amp, it picks up well on guitar, supposedly. http://www.hr-faq.org/

I live in australia...I'd be happy to...but chances are you dont live any where near me...I guess i could knock down the price if you had to travel. Dont forget i'm only 15...Some people are put off by that.

May I ask how you got that much money to make a studio?

theabstract
08-15-2004, 09:00 PM
^^^^3 jobs

theabstract
08-15-2004, 09:01 PM
^^^^also buying one thing at a time

Retrovertigo
08-15-2004, 10:23 PM
how do you manage 3 jobs?

http://www.behringer.com/UB1204FX/index.cfm?lang=ENG

does the 4 mic thing mean that you can only hook 4 drum mics up? or 4 vocal mics?? :confused: it says it has 12 inputs

Aes820
08-15-2004, 10:29 PM
^ That Behringer has got 4 in built Mic preamps. You can run 4 mics directally into it. Regardless of if they are for volcals or instruments.

If you want to run more mics into it, you should proabbly look for a larger mixer. Or perhaps a seperate mulitple input mic preamp, which you would run ito one of the line level inputs of that mixer.

Retrovertigo
08-15-2004, 10:37 PM
Or perhaps a seperate mulitple input mic preamp, which you would run ito one of the line level inputs of that mixer.

im a total noob to this stuff, so i didnt get that last part. i'd like a mixer that i can hook up 10-12 mics. how can i go about this not spending 500plus?

Aes820
08-15-2004, 11:11 PM
Mics work their best when they've got a preamp. That mixer has got inbuilt preamps for up to 4 microphones.

If you want 10-12 mic inputs. You could either get the one mixer with enough provisions for that: http://www.behringer.com/UB2442FX/index.cfm?lang=ENG
Which could be expensive...

Or it may be cheaper to join up a couple of smaller mixers. As in, get one 4 input mixer and use it just for the drums. Then run it's main outputs into a spare channel on the other mixer.

Retrovertigo
08-15-2004, 11:18 PM
alright thanks, i just want to be reassured on this, the ub2442FX, can it record drums, bass, and guitar at the same time because it has all the mics? or does it need a seperate recording console/doohickey? or can a program like cool edit pro 2.1 mix and record these all at once, or seperately to save money on the mixer?

Aes820
08-15-2004, 11:32 PM
The mixer doesnt record. You'll need to plug it into something that can record.
A computer would be ideal.

Plug everything that that you want to record into the mixer. Mix it with the mixer. Run the mixer into what you are using to record with. Record.

The mixer has got tape outputs. Which are those little Red and White RCA outputs. If you run them into your line in one your soundcard using a 5 dollar adaptor and cable from Radioshack. You could then use a program such as Cool Edit to record with.
And as long as you set all your levels correctly. The results wont sound half bad either.

theabstract
08-16-2004, 01:12 AM
3 jobs = PA setup at night
guitar shop work/recording bands at day
Electical labouror weekends

= no spare time lol

Retrovertigo
08-16-2004, 12:42 PM
is this a good mixer that could be used to record a band, or drum tracks? and how do you record one instrument at a time, then put them all together?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41472&item=3742084613&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW


also, is there a lesson somewhere on the net about this so I can learn all bout mixers? is any recording system/mixer under 1500 not worth it

Aes820
08-16-2004, 06:32 PM
Yes, that is a good mixer for use with a band. Plenty of mic inputs. And of course several line level inputs also.

To record one instrument at a time you'd use a program such as Cakewalk or Protools to record individual tracks. You can then layer those tracks ontop of each other and arrage their respective levels.

Retrovertigo
08-17-2004, 12:12 PM
what exactly do line level inputs do? guessing they divide the L/R ?

Led Guitar
08-17-2004, 12:56 PM
I bought a Behringer UB802, and I'm also planning on getting a Shure SM-57 to record vocals and amplifiers. Also a M-Audio Audiophile 2496 Recording Interface, and some good headphones seeing we'd recording 1 instrument at a time. And use like Cakewalk or something. What results can I expect for this setup?

janyeno
08-17-2004, 02:21 PM
ok so now.... My money is a bit lower than I thought...

I only have enough for one of the following... new small mixer or... audigy2 zs...

which would be better for now?

Im using onboard sound.

theabstract
08-17-2004, 03:41 PM
what exactly do line level inputs do? guessing they divide the L/R ?

line level is just like guitar jack.

Retrovertigo
08-17-2004, 04:02 PM
whats a guitar jack then? again, is there a website i can learn all this from?

Aes820
08-17-2004, 06:35 PM
what exactly do line level inputs do? guessing they divide the L/R ?
A line level input is an input into the mixer that is at a 'line' level. As in it won't need a preamp.
Plug an electric guitar or a microphone direct into a line level input and it will be very quiet, it'll ideally need a preamp to get it up to line level.
If you plug a line level device (such as the outputs of a CD player, or a line-out on the back of an amp) into a line level input it'll be clear and loud.

Line level is basically an input for things that have already been (or dont need to be) preamped.

Deathless One
08-17-2004, 08:58 PM
Okay, due to my low funds I tried to get a really basic setup. I read on a site and I bought a 1/4'' to 1.8'' adaptor so my patch cord can plug into the input in the back of my PC. There's one problem... it doesn't make a sound... what's wrong? Do I need a special program to make any initial sound at all? I'm so confused right now...

Deathless One
08-17-2004, 09:41 PM
Oh wait... now I have a buzzing sound in the speakers... that's it. Could there be something wrong with my guitar? That be just ****ing great...

zero_net
08-18-2004, 01:50 AM
what is required to run a v-amp or pod ?

i need to record quality guitar sound only,
do i need a mixer up to it, i have a old 2.1 soundblaster card,

Retrovertigo
08-18-2004, 01:22 PM
A line level input is an input into the mixer that is at a 'line' level. As in it won't need a preamp.
Plug an electric guitar or a microphone direct into a line level input and it will be very quiet, it'll ideally need a preamp to get it up to line level.
If you plug a line level device (such as the outputs of a CD player, or a line-out on the back of an amp) into a line level input it'll be clear and loud.

Line level is basically an input for things that have already been (or dont need to be) preamped.

so you could plug plenty of un amped guitars into that, but theyd all be quiet? and do drum mics need to be pre amped? vocal mics? etc.

trev913
08-22-2004, 06:30 PM
I'm thinking about starting recording at home. I have read through the guide (the parts I need). I'm pretty confident I don't want to buy a mixer. So what I'm planning on doing is just micing my amp and running into my computer. Something seems to be missing from my equation. I'm probably going to play acoustic, electric, and bass guitars, so I'm definitely going to amp it. But I'm wondering how I should go... Guitar to Amp, then Mic to computer? or should I go directly into the comp via the amp output?

theabstract
08-23-2004, 01:24 AM
^^^^mic it

trev913
08-23-2004, 06:09 PM
So Guitar > Amp > Mic > Mic In, right?

And for recommended software, I'm probably going to have my cousin get my AcidPro or SoundForge and FruityLoops for me (He's a DJ). Good start up or no?

Edit: By the way, for acoustic, I don't have an acoustic amp. Should I get a mic stand and just mic the acoustic or run that DI?

And another question, for bass, as a money saving measure, can I mic my amp from just a little more distance than I normally would, as opposed to buying a separate mic?

DWJK
08-24-2004, 02:38 PM
You're better off running the bass through a DI box (I assume you have one, if you dont, a decent one is $40 USD) if you have a decent pre-amp on hand. If you dont, you could go with your suggestion.

Vitriolic Rage
08-25-2004, 01:01 PM
Hey. Soon me and my band are thinking of recording a demo. For the guitars, I'm gonna get a Shure condenser mic, thing is, I only have a Kustom Practice amp, will it sound ok mic-ing this, the setup would be:
Guitar> Effects Pre-amp>Amp>Mic

theabstract
08-25-2004, 03:53 PM
^^^^you dont need a condenser for guitars man, and for if you amp will sound ok....Does it sound ok to you...if the answers yes then it will sound ok

Vitriolic Rage
08-26-2004, 03:30 PM
Coz I have a rubbish mic at the mo that cost me 7, I'll get a better one soon.
Yeah, the amp sounds fine.

minordefect
08-28-2004, 10:20 AM
ok how does a mixer go into a computer is it a usb cable? And could i just mic the amps of the vocals guitar and bass, then use two mics for drums? And would it sound ok?

theabstract
08-28-2004, 04:20 PM
^mixer goes in with audio cables into your soundcard...its explained in the lessons

jcbsc
08-28-2004, 08:29 PM
Okay I don't this is covered in the lessons.. sorry if it is. Anyways...

I got a 4-track but it's not enough to record everyone in my band, and I can't afford a mixer right now. So I was thinking if we could record us as if we were... err, "live." It's probably gonna sound like crap but we're just gonna use that was kind of a rough-draft thing to see how everything sounds together.

My question, where would you place the mic?

minordefect
08-29-2004, 12:00 AM
arent sound cards inside the computer though?

theabstract
08-29-2004, 03:26 AM
arent sound cards inside the computer though?

yeah...but the ports to plug stuff into are on the outside.

andy
08-29-2004, 11:45 PM
hey i gots a question. i dunno if it was already asked right above me or something, but what exactly can i use to actually record the music? i dont want it professionally done, but i just want it to be put on a cd. can i use a video recorder and upload the video onto the computer and then burn the audio onto a cd? or do i need to buy a mic plugged into a computer and record the music into the computer directly? just wondering.