WWE/TNA/ROH/Sports Entertainment

[Jom]

frozeninshadows is my user name.

Rep will be given when I can rep again.

[Zmev]

Sent.

[Jom]

Sent.

Awesome, thanks a lot.

You'll get your rep within 24 hours.

[Volkert314]

Might as well open a new Topic on this:

With the WWE planning an ECW PPV(Set for June "ECW One Night Only), what do you think of this? Is this a good idea? Will it work?

[JAStewart]

If they make profit I don't think they care.

I think it will be good. I haven't seen good old hardcore for years now.

[Dave Version 1]

If they give Paul Heyman complete creative control and get back guys like Shane Douglas, The Sandman and Raven, then yes, it'll work.

If Stephanie is in charge and they fill the PPV with raw brand guys, then no, it will not work.

It must look and feel like ECW, or they will fall on their asses.

Mikey Whipwreck would be a great addition. Seeing him getting his *** kicked would be brilliant.

An in the middle, have Chris Benoit vs. Eddie Guerrero, in a wrestling match, like the 2 of 3 falls between Eddie and Dean Malenko.

They should really have held it in the bingo hall, but beggars can't be choosers...

[Random_Hero_Guy_]

I like Edge :)

[Dave Version 1]

I like Edge :)

We've done Edge... we said he was brilliant. We've moved on now. :p

[Alive]

oh dear god, they're gonna **** it up so badly. the only way it could possibly be done right is if Heyman gets complete creative ontrol, and they dont ***** out about bringing outsiders in. MAtches Id like to see:

Lance Storm vs Tommy Dreamer

Mickey Whipewreck vs Psicosis

Dudleys vs RVD and Sabu

Justin Credible vs Raven

Tazz vs. Steve Cornio vs The Fanchise Shane Douglas

Mick Foley Vs terry Funk

plus, wwe cant do hardcore stuff for **** these days, so really its gonna be terrible

[Volkert314]

If they give Paul Heyman complete creative control and get back guys like Shane Douglas, The Sandman and Raven, then yes, it'll work.

If Stephanie is in charge and they fill the PPV with raw brand guys, then no, it will not work.

It must look and feel like ECW, or they will fall on their asses.

Mikey Whipwreck would be a great addition. Seeing him getting his *** kicked would be brilliant.

An in the middle, have Chris Benoit vs. Eddie Guerrero, in a wrestling match, like the 2 of 3 falls between Eddie and Dean Malenko.

They should really have held it in the bingo hall, but beggars can't be choosers...

So far the PPV is being held at the Hamerstiem Ballroom in Queens, NY, a regular place for ECW to go for a show. With the wrestlers so far:

Shane is a no go since he is contracted with TNA at the moment. Sandman declined, due probably to the fact it will suck. Raven is a possibility due to the fact that he has no contract with TNA at the moment, only works their shows.

Paul's status with the WWE is in question, but if he's not fully in charge, it'll be nothing. All this is probably to earn a buck considering the sales of the DVD are through the roof.

[Jom]

Sent.

Hey, check your rep. I give out 97 points :cool:

[Kickflip_Burrito]

Hey, check your rep. I give out 97 points :cool:
How did you give 97 points?! Thats pretty amazing.

Also, on the subject of ECW, I hope the Dudleys do it. The haven't done anything with a table for ages, tables is what made them famous! Now they're just any ordinary tag team.

[Jom]

Also, on the subject of ECW, I hope the Dudleys do it. The haven't done anything with a table for ages, tables is what made them famous! Now they're just any ordinary tag team.

They haven't been wrestling at all as of late... they're on SD! and they haven't done anything in months.

[Alive]

when are the dudleys coming back anyway?

[Volkert314]

How did you give 97 points?! Thats pretty amazing.

Also, on the subject of ECW, I hope the Dudleys do it. The haven't done anything with a table for ages, tables is what made them famous! Now they're just any ordinary tag team.

I don't see why they wouldn't considering they're the greatest tag team in ECW aside from the Gangstas and The Eliminators. They were def. the most hated tag team and can get you to turn on them in a heartbeat.

But still, I don't think they'res many teams they could take on aside from maybe Raven(if he's brought in) and Tommy Dreamer. Other than that, I don't see much, but I don't think the WWE has anyone confirmed as of yet either.

[Jom]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6596357#post6596357

I enjoy putting random wrestling quotes in my posts (#8).

Speaking of The Rock, is he ever going to come back and wrestle or is he permanently in Hollywood? He was extraordinarily entertaining to me... it'd be a shame to see him gone forever.

[simplephotographinthesun]

rvd vs jerry lynn

[gaslight]

Raven was very cool.

I'm getting the Adam Copeland on Edge book soon.

[Volkert314]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6596357#post6596357

I enjoy putting random wrestling quotes in my posts (#8).

Speaking of The Rock, is he ever going to come back and wrestle or is he permanently in Hollywood? He was extraordinarily entertaining to me... it'd be a shame to see him gone forever.

From what I've read on PW.com, Dwayne Johnson, aka The Rock is currently in a contract dispute with the WWE. Aparently there's some things with it that aren't to either parties liking. With that said, Rumors had flown around about the Rock coming back to face JBL at WM 21 to take the title for a short run, but with the contract dispute, it's up in the air.

The Rock still has a passion for wrestling, hence why he makes those appearences to put people over(Orton, La Resistance, Eugene)

[Jom]

From what I've read on PW.com, Dwayne Johnson, aka The Rock is currently in a contract dispute with the WWE. Aparently there's some things with it that aren't to either parties liking. With that said, Rumors had flown around about the Rock coming back to face JBL at WM 21 to take the title for a short run, but with the contract dispute, it's up in the air.

The Rock still has a passion for wrestling, hence why he makes those appearences to put people over(Orton, La Resistance, Eugene)

Ah, thanks a lot.

[ICB]

Raven was very cool.

I'm getting the Adam Copeland on Edge book soon.

Isn't he with Total Nonstop Action now?

That organization reminds me of classic WCW.

[gaslight]

Yeah I think Raven is with one of those companies.

[Dave Version 1]

The Rock's contract has expired, and he apparently won't be asking for a new one.

The Attitude Era is now officially over.

[gaslight]

That's a shame, The Rock was one of the best showmen in the business.

[Jom]

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/583/583236p1.html?fromint=1

That's the link to The Rock confirming it.

I'm sad, he was such an awesome entertainer.

[gaslight]

Am I right in guessing that he just plain went for the money in movies?

[Jom]

Am I right in guessing that he just plain went for the money in movies?

I don't know, have any of his movies really brought in any money? It doesn't seem like it... you would think WWE would give him a huge contract, but I guess not.

Speaking of contracts, Brock Lesnar and WWE are feuding. Apparently Lesnar wants back in, but he's asking for a ridiculous amount of payment, and WWE doesn't even want to come close to matching his supposedly outrageous offers.

Good, let him go. He wasn't a convincing heel.

[gaslight]

Lesnar is suing the WWE at the moment because of a no-compete clause in his contract that he signed, stating that he would not compete in any sports entertainment for 6 years following his termination. That means until 2010. Basically he thought he could get away with it because he thought his NFL career was going to take off, but that fell through and now he's screwed. So he's suing to try and lift the no-compete cause saying it is stopping him from earning a living.

[Volkert314]

I don't know, have any of his movies really brought in any money? It doesn't seem like it... you would think WWE would give him a huge contract, but I guess not.

Speaking of contracts, Brock Lesnar and WWE are feuding. Apparently Lesnar wants back in, but he's asking for a ridiculous amount of payment, and WWE doesn't even want to come close to matching his supposedly outrageous offers.

Good, let him go. He wasn't a convincing heel.

Acutally I think Brock was a great heel, problem was they tried to make hiim like the next Rock and he got a big inflated head. If you noticed, when the Rock first won the World Title, he continued to be the same man he was when he came in, but Brock's ego got the best of him and he jumped out on his contract.

Aside from the pay, he wants to work less dates, wow, sounds like Goldberg all over again. But at least Brock had wrestling talent

[jcxstargazer]

But...Goldberg had an entrance everyone could chant along with



GOLDBERG...

GOLDBERG.....

GOLDBERG....

ok so maybe it wasnt that good.

[chorbalan]

It sucks right now at the moment. It's just love storylines and it's just pathetic. I stopped watching it a few years ago when the whole WCW, WWF combination began.

Same... They should have stayed separated :upset:

[Dave Version 1]

Same... They should have stayed separated :upset:

While this is true, wCw was running out of money. Fast. The only thing they could do was sell... and Vince bought.

[chorbalan]

While this is true, wCw was running out of money. Fast. The only thing they could do was sell... and Vince bought.
Yeah, change is bad in some instances and that was a perfect example of that. Besides when somethign goes on for this long it can't stay fresh (just look at the Simpsons wain(sp) in popularity over the past year) and also I think most people just grew out of it.

[jcxstargazer]

If wcw was running out of money why did they link up with ecw to go against wwe?

[chorbalan]

If wcw was running out of money why did they link up with ecw to go against wwe?
wwe(wwf back then) knew and incorporated it into a storyline so they can say they have a reson for the linking of the federations.

[jcxstargazer]

At least plans for an ecw ppv are looking good. the extreme was are always best, wwe should learn something from that.

[Volkert314]

At least plans for an ecw ppv are looking good. the extreme was are always best, wwe should learn something from that.

But the WWE will always be a toned down version of it. The WWE has to still apease the company's that sponser them and won't bring out the Hardcore nature of ECW. ECW pushed the limits of wrestling and IMO made it what it is today. Without ECW, there wouldn't have been an "Attitude" Era. Without ECW we wouldn't have had RVD, Raven, Benoit(for US fans), Eddie, all of the greats that we enjoy now. At least that's my opionion.

[Jom]

Bumped because the idiots in the Sports forum claim that this thread got deleted.

No Way Out was a letdown. Paul London should have won :(

[gaslight]

Good job on the bump, I would never have bothered to find this myself even though I wanted it back.

How about Batista on Smackdown?

They really pulled off a good Raw and Smackdown with that angle, much more interesting than the typical things they've been serving up.

[Jom]

That's true, I just hope that Batista's character doesn't die because they moved him too fast. I don't think they did, I think it was an ideal time for a face turn. I look forward to tonight's show to see what happens.

[ChodaBoy]

I didnt think NWO was too bad, I'm getting a little peed off with JBL having the title for so long, did you know that hes had it for the longest amount of time in over a decade compared to the other holders.

AntiHero3314 dont call me an idiot! this thread never showed up to me.

I doubt ECW will ever be the same again since WWE took over it, for all my hardcore needs i watch shows like 3PW, CZW, sometimes ROH. I love those shows, especially when the drunk smoking guy with barbed wire (cant remember his name) wrestles - hes insane.

[gaslight]

Yeah it's going to actually be interesting to see how the storyline goes on Raw this week. They must have hired a new writer or something :lol:.

[ChodaBoy]

Since Vince McMahon has injured his knee's, HHH and Steph McMahon have taken over control of the show and say what happens.

[Volkert314]

Since Vince McMahon has injured his knee's, HHH and Steph McMahon have taken over control of the show and say what happens.

This should add fuel to the fire that is the crappyness of storylines:

February 21, 2005 - Source: PWInsider
As reported recently, Stephanie McMahon-Levesque and her husband Triple H have largely been in charge due to Vince McMahon's absence through injury.

The internal consensus within the company right now is that if Stephanie is to succeed like her father, she needs to do her job better. Many have reported that Stephanie doesn't take kindly to constructive criticism or thoughts opposing hers. She is said to make it very clear to those who don't agree with her.

Stephanie has been likened to a know it all and has been described as being "in over her head" since she has taken charge. She was on hand for last night's No Way Out PPV and the word is that it did nothing to alleviate anyone’s fear for the future.

May God have mercy on us the day she takes over

[gaslight]

Agreed, Stephanie McMahon belongs in the bedroom not the boardroom.

[ChodaBoy]

/Remembers when HHH "drugged" SMH at her "engagement party" and got "married to her in Vegas while HHH did her voice over in the car

lmfao, those were the days when wrestling had the best storylines.

My favourite moment (and voted the greatest moment ever on Raw), was when Austin rode the beer truck to the ring and blasted Vince and Shane.

WWE seriously need to think about bringing back the hardcore title to boost ratings.

[Jom]

So Batista is staying on RAW.

/obvious

[ChodaBoy]

Yepo. its been a long time coming what he did to HHH, it was good to watch it though.

I think it was extremely vital for Batista to start off as a heel for him to become a huge star. If they can continue his push he can become a legend i think.

Carlito has the ability to become big too, but with the storylines on Smackdown - its not going to happen for him soon.

[Jom]

Carlito just isn't convincing enough for me because he's been injured.

His shtick about trying to get Teddy Long fired is so old right now. If he was wrestling, maybe. I don't like the comparisions to The Rock, though.

Smackdown! needs a swift kick in the butt. I say another draft and a push for the cruiserweights.

Rumor is, both Angle and HBK are going to retire after WM21 due to their injuries (neck and back, respectively).

[ChodaBoy]

It would definately be a shame to see both of those leave, even if they're stuff does get a little repetitive they have had some classic moments, some of which i probably wont ever forget. Like the Kurt Angle falling in love with SMH, or when he and Austin were trying to impress Vince backstage - Kurt sang Jimmy cracked corn with the guitar, then Austin took it off him and sang "I AM THE CHAMPION, I AM THE CHAMPION, NO TIME FOR LOSERS COZ I AM THE CHAMPION."

The cruiserweights need to be given some form of a personality, some of them used to but have been taken away now, like Spike when he was in control of D-Von and Bubba-Ray,and Paul Londons thing with Kidman.
The cruiserweights are usually the best style for hardcore matches, the 24/7 rule a few years ago kicked a'ss.

[Random_Hero_Guy_]

I like Edge. :)

[Samick]

hawk, animal and mr. perfect died(all three from MN) and jeff hard got hurt

[Jom]

Rumor: triple threat match at WM21: Kane vs. Gene Snitsky vs. a returning Matt Hardy

Another rumor: Randy Orton vs. The Undertaker

Batista vs. HHH
JBL vs. John Cena
HBK vs. Kurt Angle seem to be confirmed so far.

[ChodaBoy]

Also, there might be a reunion of the 4 horsemen, it could easily happen because of Raw. Triple H can have a moan at Flair for not interuppting Batista, then they part ways - no more Evolution - so Flair is alone. Dean Malenko and Arn Anderson work backstage for WWE already, and Flair and Benoit still wrestle.

[Jom]

Flair is so flabby now, though. The only thing he has going for him is the WOO!.

[ChodaBoy]

You cant get much better than his traditional /stands still.......falls to the mat. that never gets old.

Ive just noticed now that Billy Gunn and X-Pac work for TNA, so a D-X reunion looks very unlikely which is a huge shame, i still watch my d-x video and it was made in 1998.

[gaslight]

Yeah I can't wait to watch Triple H go through that table.

I'm thinking of seeing the Wrestlemania Revenge tour in Sydney in April.

[Volkert314]

Another rumor: Randy Orton vs. The Undertaker


This would be great... I think.... I don't care too much for Orton, he really lacks in wrestling ability and his mic skills aren't that great, but to be put in the ring with Mark in possibily his last WM is an honor and a great thing for him.

I don't know How I'm going to feel about this WM, with Cena seemingly going to possibly win the World Title on SD!, that just earks me considering I feel more deserving people should be able to get it(Eddie, Angel, Taker, Booker)

[gaslight]

Yeah, it'll be a sad day in wrestling when the Undertaker takes his last walk to the ring.

[Mind Revolution]

what happened to shamrock is he still in the ufc?

[gaslight]

I'm not sure 100% but last I heard Shamrock was a trainer or something for UFC.

[BassiclyLow]

Yeah, it'll be a sad day in wrestling when the Undertaker takes his last walk to the ring.


Undertakers had more comebacks than Micheal Jordan

[Mind Revolution]

shamrock was underrated

[gaslight]

Shamrock was awesome.

His ankle lock > Kurt Angle's rip off of it.

[hellraiser123]

Who thinks batista will win the gold at WM21?

[gaslight]

I hope he does.

[hellraiser123]

Yeh same as, i think if he does though, cena won't beat JBL, unlikley that both belts will change hands

[Mind Revolution]

whats the raw and sd main event at wm 21?

[hellraiser123]

Raw - Batista v HHH

Smackdown - JBL v John Cena

Thats whats planned, but the WWE normally play with it abit so some changes may occur.

[Mind Revolution]

the sd main event is the worst main event in the history of mankind

[hellraiser123]

yeh as long as jbl loses, hes such a crap champion...

[gaslight]

The Big Show will probably be a part of the SD main event somehow.

[hellraiser123]

i think he's been given his chance, i don't think he ever made a good champ either, i think booker t should be given a chance

[Volkert314]

what happened to shamrock is he still in the ufc?

Ken Shamrock is running his Lion's den dojo full time I belive. He's been in a few events for both the UFC and Pride as well as maybe 1 or 2 from K1. He's also been working with Marine Corps Instructers in continuing to develop the Marine Corps Martial Arts program.

[Volkert314]

the sd main event is the worst main event in the history of mankind

Exactly. There are more deserving champs than Cena. Cena has no wrestling skills, his mic skills are ok, his raps are annoying and half the time not funny.

Eddie's run was nothing and I think was just given out of respect for his time put in the business, as well for JBL since he's been with the WWE for quit some time.

Booker really has been given a run and Angle we all know can carry the title for months.

[Jom]

I dunno, I think Cena deserved a push this year. People hang on him for being too cliched with his chain gang and "icing out" that US Title, and I agree, that's ridiculously stupid; however, people around him say that he's trying to work harder in the ring and develop his mat senses, so at least he's working and genuinely working at becoming a better physical entertainer and not just an orator.

[gaslight]

Whatever happened to Farooq/Ron Simmons when JBL got his singles push?

[Jom]

He just left... I dunno if he went somewhere else, but JBL was a decent face with Farooq and the APA.

[Volkert314]

Whatever happened to Farooq/Ron Simmons when JBL got his singles push?

Ron "Farooq" Simmons was fired due to his alcohol related problems. Like Hardy, Simmons refused to enter rehab and stated he had no problem. The WWE parted ways with him due to that.

After that, they rehashed the "Million Dollar Man" gimmick and gave it to JBL.

[ChodaBoy]

Although i thoroughly enjoyed watching the APA, i think that they're time had to come to an end within the next few years, Farooq is older than JBL, and it definately shows.

As for the main events at WM21, i'd be very happy if both Batista and Cena won, in time they could become big stars but id rather they would win just because im tired of seeing HHH and JBL with the belts for soooooooo long week after week. Even when HHH lost the belt, he got it back virtually instantly!

I wonder why the cruiserweights have toned down their crazyness, i watched Blitzkrieg vs. Juventud Guerra at Spring Stampede 1999 and they were insane but now the most we see is the 619.

[Jom]

A lot of the cruiserweights do suicide dives, those are amazing to watch.

[Volkert314]

I wonder why the cruiserweights have toned down their crazyness, i watched Blitzkrieg vs. Juventud Guerra at Spring Stampede 1999 and they were insane but now the most we see is the 619.

The WWE/Vince has toned down the style and making it more slow paced with really no high risk moves(wow I wonder who benifits, HHH). It's dissapoiting since I've only seen Jimmy Yang do his "Yang Time" once and it was on velocity.

If you've never seen Paul London in the indys he does a great SSP, FROM THE STANDING POSITION.

It's really dissapointing since all we have is Rey and he's not the greatest they have. The WWE did feature a dark match with Frank Kazarian from TNA so hopefully he can bring a bit of fresh air to the CW Division, as well as Austin Aries and I heard Pyschosis got a try out a ways back but I don't think anything happened.

[gaslight]

What's the Yang Time?

[ChodaBoy]

Are the house shows shown in America? coz im so annoyed they arent shown over here, there are some great matches tommorrow night like Batista and Orton vs. HHH and Flair in a steel cage match.

[gaslight]

I don't think house shows are televised.

They aren't televised in Australia at least.

[hellraiser123]

or the uk

[Mind Revolution]

whatever hapened to the inferno match? that was a classic

[gaslight]

I think safety regulations got in the way :lol:.

[Mind Revolution]

true, but hell in a cell matches also got ruined, the brock lesnar vs undertaker was the worst hell in a cell match ever

[Jom]

House matches are never shown on TV, but you can read reports on them on websites such as rajah.com

People write in and tell their experiences. The recent SD! houseshow was a nice read because the writer brought in his five year old son and some wrestlers and entertainers interacted with him, and the writer said how his son still talks about it :)

I've been to one show: it was RAW, and it was the lottery one a year ago. It was a good show, the pyrotechnics are so amazing live.

Some guy jumped the barricade and tried to get in the ring, but these huge black guys from security tackled and beat his ***.

Hell, it was Detroit, what do you expect :lol:

[gaslight]

I've seen one live WWE event, I went to the Smackdown show in Sydney. It wasn't on TV but it was great fun. I'm hoping to go to the Wrestlemania Revenge tour in April.

[Volkert314]

What's the Yang Time?

Yang Time is a corcksrew 450 Splash. Very nice move, he's used in on SD! when he beat Paul London but they didn't call it the Yang Time.

[gaslight]

Ohh I think I have seen that! Awesome move.

[Jom]

What's an SSP? I don't know my acronyms :(

Reason why I ask is because it seems if one can do it from a standing position, it's miraculously awesome.

Hopefully Volkert or someone will help me out, since he brought it up :cool:

[gaslight]

I think its Shooting Star Press.

[Jom]

I think its Shooting Star Press.

Oh, that makes sense. Thanks :)

[gaslight]

No worries.

:thumb:

I wanna see this standing SSP of his.

[Volkert314]

No worries.

:thumb:

I wanna see this standing SSP of his.

Working on it as we speak

[ChodaBoy]

I hate the way they take away certain matches because they dont think its suitable for kids, 1. They usually warn you that what happens is not suitable for younger viewers. 2. Its always parents that write in and complain about them.3. Those parents who are so naive that they write in need a serious reality check as most kids know about fighting anyway. 4. Kids should kick their parents arse's out when they watch it in the first place, just like D-X used to tell us.

[Volkert314]

http://www.paul-london.com/ani/paul_shooting_star_press.gif


Hopefully it works, for your enjoyment, a tiny .gif photo of the Standing SSP done by Paul London.

[gaslight]

That is insane.

[Jom]

The link is taking awhile for me to load :(

[gaslight]

Yeah, just leave it for a little while.

[Volkert314]

Yea the link takes some time to load, but it's good move when it's done. Paul is a great talent, too bad the WWE can't book a CW unless your name begins with Rey and ends with Jr.

[Jom]

The image "http://www.paul-london.com/ani/paul_shooting_star_press.gif" cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.

:(

My uni connection is so fickle.

EDIT: nevermind. That's insane. I wish he'd do that, although his 450 splash is phenomenal as well.

[Volkert314]

The image "http://www.paul-london.com/ani/paul_shooting_star_press.gif" cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.

:(

My uni connection is so fickle.

EDIT: nevermind. That's insane. I wish he'd do that, although his 450 splash is phenomenal as well.

I wish he would too, but you know the WWE and the way they are. It's all about the Big man, I mean, if you're small and under 6' you have no chance in the WWE.

But alas, maybe the CW will get a boost with the pick up of Austin and Kazarian if the WWE does indeed sign them(and they'd be stupid not too)

[Jom]

I don't like Chavo having the Cruiserweight championship.

Also, Stone Cold Steve Austin is a definite for WM21. He probably won't wrestle, but he will make an appearance.

[Mind Revolution]

stone cold leaving is the main reason why i stopped watching wwe :upset:

[gaslight]

I hope Austin makes an appearance and beats the crap out of Hassan.

[Jom]

I hope Austin makes an appearance and beats the crap out of Hassan.

!!!

That would be amazing.

[ChodaBoy]

What date is Wrestlemania?

[Jom]

Sunday, April 3rd

[Mind Revolution]

who won the royal rumble anyway

[ChodaBoy]

Ive never paid to see wrestling before, but if Stone Cold is a guarantee i think i might have to. Theres no way im missing that.

[Jom]

who won the royal rumble anyway
Batista eliminated John Cena. He chose to face HHH for the world heavyweight championship.

Choda, Stone Cold may not even wrestle. He may just promote his movies.

[ChodaBoy]

Batista won RR, i think most people saw it coming because he was quickly rising in popularity - even though he was a heel.

[Mind Revolution]

i think the best royal rumble was when vince won it i believe that was in 1999? classic.

[simplephotographinthesun]

I don't like Chavo having the Cruiserweight championship.

Also, Stone Cold Steve Austin is a definite for WM21. He probably won't wrestle, but he will make an appearance.

paul london is infinitely better than chavo

[ChodaBoy]

i remember that RR, wasnt Vince #1 with Austin #2? It was a great match.

[Mind Revolution]

indeed.

[Jom]

Vince really messed himself up at the RR this year. He blew out his quads and won't even be able to show up at WM21.

That means Stephanie and HHH are running the show. Stephanie is under fire for not being a very good manager of the programs.

[Volkert314]

paul london is infinitely better than chavo

Even more, Jimmy Yang is better than Chavo, hell they're both better than Rey but he gets all the pushes.... I guess that makes sense :rolleyes:

[ChodaBoy]

I think that its strange that HHH is in control and yet he allowed himself to get embarrassed like that. Either it was out of his control or he is good with the storylines.

[Jom]

I don't recall this Jimmy Yang fellow.

Rey draws the biggest crowds for CWs, so he gets the pushes.

Rumor is, Eddie Guerrero is going to turn heel before WM, setting up a Rey vs. Eddie match.

Yay or nay regarding this rumor (meaning: do you like it or not)?

[gaslight]

It's not a nice thing to say but Vince looked hilarious injuring himself at the Rumble.

HHH and Stephanie running the company is beyond a joke, it's run on a whim not on smart business decisions. The only reason they can get a way with it is because they're so rich already.

[Jom]

Daniel Puder turned out to be a real flop.

[Volkert314]

I don't recall this Jimmy Yang fellow.

Rey draws the biggest crowds for CWs, so he gets the pushes.

Rumor is, Eddie Guerrero is going to turn heel before WM, setting up a Rey vs. Eddie match.

Yay or nay regarding this rumor (meaning: do you like it or not)?

Jimmy Yang is Akio. Also was in WCW as part of the Jung Dragson with Kaz, Jamie-san(Jamie Noble, another good CW) and of course Yang. Good group and good wrestler.

I like Eddie as heel more than I do as a face like I like Benoit more of heel than face, they just work better that way.

[gaslight]

Daniel Puder turned out to be a real flop.

Definately, i think Tough Enough is a cute idea for wrestling fans, but I think that's all. They should put their time into getting better programming on the air. Remember those stupid Tough Enough contests every week? omgz letz dress up in drag refl

[Jom]

Oh, I know who Akio is. I feel like a dumbass, sorry about that.

Does anyone know about the application process for Ohio Valley Wrestling school or any school like that?

I'm just wondering, because it seems like OVW (or whatever the acronym is) seems to be a feeder school for WWE.

I didn't like Jamie Noble's hick shtick, he was annoying.

[ChodaBoy]

Tough Enough hasnt really done too much to be proud of, it took 4 years for Maven to be introduced into the mainstream, but even that didnt work out for him and now he barely does anything

The Dudley Boyz are currently training in OVW to get match fit again.

[Jom]

Maven also flopped, but Daniel Puder apparently embarrassed himself on Velocity and in the Royal Rumble for not having proper form.

[Volkert314]

Oh, I know who Akio is. I feel like a dumbass, sorry about that.

Does anyone know about the application process for Ohio Valley Wrestling school or any school like that?

I'm just wondering, because it seems like OVW (or whatever the acronym is) seems to be a feeder school for WWE.

I didn't like Jamie Noble's hick shtick, he was annoying.

I can't remember but you can go to the website and they have all the info their. the OVW is the feeder school, it's the training ground for all their wrestlers before they bring them up(Nova, Cena, Orton, La Resistance), most of them have come from OVW before stepping up in the WWE.

[gaslight]

Oh, I know who Akio is. I feel like a dumbass, sorry about that.

Does anyone know about the application process for Ohio Valley Wrestling school or any school like that?

I'm just wondering, because it seems like OVW (or whatever the acronym is) seems to be a feeder school for WWE.

I didn't like Jamie Noble's hick shtick, he was annoying.

The WWE requires 2-3 years of professional wrestling experience to accept wrestlers, so I think OVW is among other things, a place to get that experience. It also helps keep the people who aren't on TV to keep fit and in form.

[ChodaBoy]

John Cena started in 1999, there was a documentary filming him at the time.

[Rancid Dan]

God, i used to love WWF.

My favourites were the Hardy Boys, The Rock and Stone Cold.

[gaslight]

Yeah, those years are gone forever :upset:.

[ChodaBoy]

Does anyone here remember Scotty Riggs from WCW? His charachter was so funny. He was so in love with himself and randomly walked over to the camera and said "Oh man i look Good".

[Mind Revolution]

its always nice to relive them though

[gaslight]

That's what the videos are for :smoke:.

[ChodaBoy]

Who would you say is your favourite person ever on the mic?

for me it has to be the Rock, he always knows what to do to make the fans happy. He makes fun of people and its hilarious yet he keeps a straight face.

[Mind Revolution]

for me it would either be the rock (i found him hilarious as a kid) or vince (the way vince walks to the ring is funny itself)

[gaslight]

I think the Rock had the best microphone skills around.

"Tell the Rock this, is that what you think, Mr Mcmahon?"
"Well yes, that's what I-"
"IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK."

[ChodaBoy]

Lmfao, Teddy Long and Vince have the best entrances ever! they look as if they have just had the rubber glove inspection at the airport.

Yea the Rock has some great quotes.

Go to http://www.goldberg4life.wwefans.co.uk/vidzandtronz.htm it has a great video of Rock making fun of NWO. Who completely sucked in WWE despite the buildup with Vince having it on the back of his chair.

[Mind Revolution]

i think the vince really did mean it when he said hes gonna kill the wwe by bringing wcw/ecw into it (that whole invasion storyline) because wwe has really sucked since then

[gaslight]

:lol:

Questionable decisions have been made but the guys are doing their best.

[gaslight]

I've been repped twice in this thread in the last few minutes but I can't tell whether it was bad or good :confused:.

[Mind Revolution]

i repped you and it was good :thumb:

[gaslight]

Ahh, cool cool. I always wonder what's going on lol.

I still haven't seen the video of Triple H getting Batista Bombed through the table :(. I can't stream the videos from WWE.com for some reason.

[Mind Revolution]

wwe.com makes me lag x10

[Volkert314]

A little behind the curve, If you haven't picked up the ECW DVD, Austin and Foley are shown giving two of their best promos. Honestly, Austin did his best work in ECW and really set him up for his Stone Cold gimmick cause Paul really let them do what they needed.

[gaslight]

I've never seen any of Austin's ECW matches, what was his gimmick there?

[Volkert314]

I've never seen any of Austin's ECW matches, what was his gimmick there?

Himself, basically the Stone Cold personna that he used in the WWE with a few exceptions.

I'll put it this way, Steve came back from an injury he had and was in a match with Mikey Whipwreck. Paul E. wanted to put the belt on Steve, but Steve said no and wanted to lose the match against Whipwreck, trust me, that put him over big time. That's why Austin has respect, cause he had business sense to do what was right for the business.

[gaslight]

Nice stuff.

Austin's life has been pretty screwed up the last few years with alcohol and domestic trouble though hey?

[ChodaBoy]

I thought that he had the Stunning Steve Austin character in ECW? Coz i know the story of how he got the Stone Cold thing with the Austin 3:16 catchphrase

[Volkert314]

I thought that he had the Stunning Steve Austin character in ECW? Coz i know the story of how he got the Stone Cold thing with the Austin 3:16 catchphrase

The whole Stunning Steve Austin was in WCW when he had his blonde hair and was a member of the tag team with Brian Pillman.

In ECW Austin was given creative freedom and used that to be himself and act against everyone in the ECW main event scene at the time and calling himself the Main Stay, kinda like Stone Cold gimmick, but not as much, just the whole being himself thing.

All the "Stone Cold" personna was is a more exaggerated form of how Austin really is.

[Jom]

Stand back! There's a Hurricane coming through!

/random

[simplephotographinthesun]

Does anyone here remember Scotty Riggs from WCW? His charachter was so funny. He was so in love with himself and randomly walked over to the camera and said "Oh man i look Good".

he and buff bagwell as the american males were an alright tag team. i remember them hitting their double dropkick finisher on stevie ray to win the wcw tag titles on an episode of Nitro...good times

[Jom]

/me turns on Smackdown!.

[Akehuka7_II]

Smackdown is an awesome word.

[simplephotographinthesun]

muhammad hassan + khasrow daivari + la resistance = gold

[ChodaBoy]

I hate those **** arabs, i dont think wwe should kick em out though, they give the fans someone to really hate which i think can be a good thing.

Anything decent happening in Smackdown!?

Layeth the smacketh down, on your candy ***
/also random

[Jom]

Not really. Rey and Eddie retained their titles.

Just a bunch of No Way Out coverage, and a lame JBL blacktie celebration.

[ChodaBoy]

I hope that with the next roster change they dont completely ruin it, if they can bring some new names in or bring back old wrestlers they need to distribute them more even. If they are a huge star i think they should be able to go on both shows.

[Jom]

Jindrak just turned face, Teddy Long will probably keep his job as GM (no surprise for that last part).

[ChodaBoy]

What happened with Jindrak? hopefully it involves a steel chair and Luther Reigns face colliding.

[Jom]

What happened with Jindrak? hopefully it involves a steel chair and Luther Reigns face colliding.

There was a handicap match with those two vs. Undertaker, and Reigns didn't get the tag, and Jindark tapped to the triangle choke, and Reigns got all pissed and pushed him around, and Jindrak snapped and they started going at it.

[ChodaBoy]

Coolio, I dont think there is any specific purpose to Kurts "Clan" vs. Taker, its just a way of letting the fans see taker wrestle.

How long is left of the show?

[Jom]

Ten minutes.

Main event is John Cena and Big Show vs. JBL and Orlando Jordan

[ChodaBoy]

How did it finish then?

[Jom]

John Cena hit his finisher on Orlando Jordan.

[gaslight]

How did Jindrak turn face?

[joas]

For some reason, I really hate John Cena. And I really wish that they'd just try and fix up the mess they've created. Or are they making it suck so we watch in anticipation for it to get good again?

>_>

<_<

[gaslight]

I hated John Cena when he was introduced, but now I like him because there just aren't that many people on Smackdown to like :(.

[Zmev]

John Cena is lame and his finisher is horrible.

[gaslight]

Yeah, his finisher is really crap. It isn't believable at all that it would do any more damage than an average body slam.

[Zmev]

And that lame fist shake, I die a little on the inside when he tells them they cant see him.

[gaslight]

Yeah I don't get the whole you can't see me thing.

[Zmev]

Well theres this kid in my class, hes half retarded and wears the same wrestling shirts about everyday and has a john cena one.

So obviously its to attract the more retarded people.

[ChodaBoy]

Cena's one of the biggest wiggers ive ever seen.

Word Life

[Mind Revolution]

cena is a horrible wrestler

[Jom]

How did Jindrak turn face?

There was a handicap match with those two vs. Undertaker, and Reigns didn't get the tag, and Jindark tapped to the triangle choke, and Reigns got all pissed and pushed him around, and Jindrak snapped and they started going at it.

Maybe my logic is faulty, but I don't think two heels are necessary here.

[simplephotographinthesun]

cena + dupree = potentially good tag team

[Jom]

Yeesh, I hated the Dupree/Suzuki tag team. That was horrific.

With Cena getting a big singles push, I doubt he'd join the tag division.

I was kind of hoping that the Hardcore Holly/Charlie Hass tag team would have pushed the Bashams for the titles instead of Rey/Eddie.

[ICB]

For some reason, I really hate John Cena. And I really wish that they'd just try and fix up the mess they've created. Or are they making it suck so we watch in anticipation for it to get good again?

>_>

<_<

:lol: remember when e acted white and wore those gay short shorts?

[thewolrab]

Cena's one of the biggest wiggers ive ever seen.
Yes he is, and that's why I don't like him.

[gaslight]

If John Cena takes the title from JBL at Wrestlemania, will that be the fastest push to the title anyone has ever had?

[Jom]

If John Cena takes the title from JBL at Wrestlemania, will that be the fastest push to the title anyone has ever had?

The reason why the last SD! was about JBL and how he is the longest-reigning title holder in the last decade.

I agree, it will be one fast push. I really loathe that US Title, though.

[gaslight]

I know, it looks like something from Power Rangers.

[Jom]

I know, it looks like something from Power Rangers.

Hahaha, truth.

Chavo beat Funaki on SD! and was celebrating in the ring... after awhile Paul London came out of the audience and attacked Chavo and was screaming, "You stole a victory from me, Chavo!" which is true, Chavo had the ropes at No Way Out.

I think this is setting up for a cruiserweight title fight at WM21, what do you think?

[gaslight]

I hope London wins, Chavo is crap.

[Jom]

Agreed. I hate Chavo. Remember when his dad came back and wrestled with him? That was pathetic.

[gaslight]

Yeah, sad thing is his Dad put him to shame :lol:.

[Jom]

Hahahahah. Truth.

Eddie and Rey are rumored to face each other at WM21, and WM22 is going to be held in Chicago, not in Canada as recently thought. Discuss.

[simplephotographinthesun]

they're holding an ECW reunion PPV of sorts sometime this summer i'm guessing in new york. hopefully vince will have no hand in this...

[Volkert314]

Hahahahah. Truth.

Eddie and Rey are rumored to face each other at WM21, and WM22 is going to be held in Chicago, not in Canada as recently thought. Discuss.

I would have liked the PPV to be in Canada since it's been awhile since they've been there. As well, if the WWE plans on doing any more HoF inductions, that would be the perfect place to induct Bret Hart.

[gaslight]

Smackdown comes on my TV in about 3 and a half hours, I already read what happens before I see it but I'm really looking forward to the video of Batista putting down HHH.

[Dave Version 1]

As well, if the WWE plans on doing any more HoF inductions, that would be the perfect place to induct Bret Hart.

Bret Hart will NEVER accept an induction into the Hall of Fame.

[ChodaBoy]

Anyone ever seen a wrestler up close? I went to get an autograph signing from Scott Hall and Kevin Nash (Nash didnt turn up because of an eye injury) but SH was so much shorter than he looks on t.v.

[gaslight]

Closest I've been is being in the seats for a live event.

[ChodaBoy]

Which one?

I went to WWE in 1999, and 2001.
And to WCW in 2000.

[gaslight]

I saw an untelevised Smackdown show when they came out Australia last year.

[Brew]

they're holding an ECW reunion PPV of sorts sometime this summer i'm guessing in new york hopefully vince will have no hand in this...

The funny thing is, Shane Douglas is doing the same kind of show two days before the WWE PPV.

Looks like there will be ALOT of competition for who goes to which show.

[Dave Version 1]

Anyone ever seen a wrestler up close?

If this is including non-WWE etc stars, I've been in the ring with some :cool:

[ChodaBoy]

Sweet.

Eugene better stop bringing kids into the ring with him. With All this political correctness crap and he'll end up like Michael Jackson!

[gaslight]

If this is including non-WWE etc stars, I've been in the ring with some :cool:

Do tell?

[Jom]

Live shows are awesome experiences (although I've only been to one). The wrestlers really interact with the crowds when they are on commercial/not being filmed. Al Snow was announcing on Heat a couple years ago along with Coach, and between every match Coach would look towards where we were sitting and make a motion for us to clap, and we would boo him when Al Snow pointed to Coach... and when Al Snow pointed at himself, we would cheer. Those sort of things, although kind of lame, really make a live event worthwhile.

[ChodaBoy]

Yea i know what you mean. (A little off subject, but its the same at gig's. Like when i went to see Blink182, Tom Delonge looked over too a little section very close to him and kept showing them stuff that 80% of the crowd couldnt see.)

When i went to my first show in 1999, after they stopped filming Austin and X-Pac got jumped by loads of people but then they cleared house, and began drinking beer and giving it to the fans,etc.

Just as the advert says, theres nothing better than seeing it live.

[ChodaBoy]

What would you say is your favourite PPV match ever?

I would definately say Austin Vs. HBK at WrestleMania XIV, Im a huge Stone Cold fan and when he got that stunner and won with Tyson doing the count it was fantastic. It got better when Tyson floored HBK and drank some beer with Stone Cold.

[gaslight]

^ That was a really cool moment yeah.

[simplephotographinthesun]

The funny thing is, Shane Douglas is doing the same kind of show two days before the WWE PPV.

Looks like there will be ALOT of competition for who goes to which show.

in the end i think shane won't get much in the aspect of former ECW stars, but i could be wrong

[Jom]

Pretty big RAW tonight: HBK vs. Edge in a streetfight, Benoit vs. Hassan, and I'm sure something about Batista and HHH is going to take place.

[Mind Revolution]

whos hassan?

[ChodaBoy]

Theres supposed to be a match between HHH, Flair, Orton, and Batista in some type of match after filming (which is sooo stupid). I heard its expected to be a tag team steel cage. We'll find out later i suppose if they have the cage above the ring. Unless they use the crappy cage with the huge squares.

Hassan is an "Arab-American" that goes on about how Americans are disrespectful towards his race, little irony there since he is American. :thumb:

[Jom]

Hassan is a pretty good heel, but his little bitch of an assistant who only speaks Arabic is annoying as Hell.

[Mind Revolution]

oh ive seen him before,when i heard that arab guy, my thoughts of the wwe lowered even more

[ChodaBoy]

Hassan is a pretty good heel, but his little bitch of an assistant who only speaks Arabic is annoying as Hell.

Ha ha ha, yep you got his number there. Theres only one solution for an annoying midget like him - a slab of marble on his head.

No wait thats too expensive, concrete will do.


P.S. how do i put your name on top of the quote? Ive never quoted anyone before.

[Jom]

[quote = insertusernamehere] what i said [/ quote]

(without spaces)

If you hit "reply" in a user's bottom right corner, it does it for you automatically.

[Mind Revolution]

is kane and jr still around? i actually might watch raw tonight haha

[Jom]

Kane is still around, as is JR :cool:

[ICB]

Wasn't Kane also Issac Yankem, DDS (The King's old Dentist)? I'm sorry, I remember the olden days, when WWF was wayyyy cheesier...

[ICB]

Which one?

I went to WWE in 1999, and 2001.
And to WCW in 2000.

I've been to Wrestlemania 12, and a Live show in San Bernardino...that was when I was young.

[Mind Revolution]

Kane is still around, as is JR :cool:
sounds like a good watch for tonight :)

[ChodaBoy]

Issac Yankem was his old ring-name, i dont think he made too much of an impact though, not like the kind he did when he took his mask off or was with X-Pac. although i do remember him in a RR match under that name.

Lucky SOB going to WM12!!
<---Jealous

I think in a few years they should bring it oversea's, i would love to go to that.

[ICB]

Issac Yankem was his old ring-name, i dont think he made too much of an impact though, not like the kind he did when he took his mask off or was with X-Pac. although i do remember him in a RR match under that name.

Lucky SOB going to WM12!!
<---Jealous

I think in a few years they should bring it oversea's, i would love to go to that.

Yeah, Wrestlemania 12 was awesome. Unfortunately, that was the last gift my mother gave me, because she died shortly before the show, and gave my brothers and I the tickets for Christmas...

[ChodaBoy]

/Brings this bad boy back into action.

Who do you think will win the HBK/Edge match? Im gonna say HBK because it seems as if he will be going to Smackdown during the new roster change, so he wont want to leave without getting the win over him.

Also Benoit had better beat Hassan 'cause im getting tired of him running his mouth non-stop.

[gaslight]

Yeah apparently there are rumours of Hassan v Hogan at WM.

[Dave Version 1]

I think in a few years they should bring it oversea's, i would love to go to that.

Never... it'll never happen. At best, we'll get SummerSlam or Survivor Series. I actually can't imagine them bringing a PPV smaller than that over either.

SummerSlam has, of course, aired from England before... 1992 I believe.

[ChodaBoy]

Yea, wasnt that at Wembley Arena? The wrestlers had to run for about 40 minutes just to get to the ring. Even the ultimate warrior was shattered from his entrance!

[gaslight]

Haha.

I'm watching RAW on FOX8 at the moment.

What the hell is with this Chris Masters kid? Waste of space anyone.

[Junooni]

im a muslim and i think hassan is an idiot. thats the general view.

[Mind Revolution]

is the rock ever gonna return to the ring?

[ChodaBoy]

Haha.

I'm watching RAW on FOX8 at the moment.

What the hell is with this Chris Masters kid? Waste of space anyone.


Chris Masters has the gimmick of "a masterpiece", for the past few weeks WWE has been making a big deal about him and his unveiling - hoping to grab some interest from the fans. But it didnt take off, when he first showed up, he was talking to Ric Flair as he got out of a limo. The fans were hoping it was Batista so the fans first impression of Masters wasn't a great one. Even as he came down to the ring, you could hear a pin drop as the crowd were just not interested.

im a muslim and i think hassan is an idiot. thats the general view.

The WWE has clearly said that these two do not represent muslims, or any other Arab-American's. Jim Ross says this multiple times each time Hassan and his buddy come out, which is why the WWE is very confused about the bad feedback they get for "discriminating", "racism", and "stereotyping". Which is totally not true.

is the rock ever gonna return to the ring?

It looks doubtful, as Rock continues to make and promote the films he is making. When his contract ran out, he didnt even know anything about it, which shows his entusiasm for being with the company. Apparently he's "p'issed" about the contract running out. IMO i dont think they should give him a new one because he turned up for around 2 days work last year, and they would be paying him millions.Although i do enjoy seeing him there.

[gaslight]

So how about the Matt Hardy / Lita split? Pretty crappy situation for Matt.

[bassisbest]

Its all edges fault! He has onyl just got married aswell....

[gaslight]

I know, what a loser :(.

To cheat on your wife, with someone else's girlfriend, when both of them are your long time friends. I mean **** man, that's the most uncool thing you could ever do. And I used to think Edge was cool :upset:. Not that Lita isn't also to blame, I also thought she was cool :upset:.

[ChodaBoy]

There was the plan to put Edge and Hardy in Jericho's ladder match tonight. Can you imagine how rough it would be with them in the ring together - broken bones baby yeah!

[blueduck5000]

I miss Andre the Giant.

That guy was sweet; only for Princess Bride though. I don't watch wwe.

[Jom]

Hardy and Edge aren't going to be put together in that ladder match, are you kidding?

Unless you want an actual fight and not a scripted one :p

[Dave Version 1]

I hope Edge gets sent to Smackdown! and made to job to Heidenrich for 2 months straight.

Lita needs a kick in the arse as well.

Push Matt to the IC Title~!

[ChodaBoy]

Hardy and Edge aren't going to be put together in that ladder match, are you kidding?

Unless you want an actual fight and not a scripted one :p


Nah, that was the original plan, but with the news of the love triangle, WWE would be taking things too far and could put both wrestlers in serious danger because of the real life emotions.

Its also Batista vs. Flair tonight which should be interesting. It would be great if HHH was banned from ringside or if the match was made as a different style instead of one on one.

[ChodaBoy]

I hope Edge gets sent to Smackdown! and made to job to Heidenrich for 2 months straight.

Lita needs a kick in the arse as well.

Push Matt to the IC Title~!


I wouldn't like to see anyone win the IC title at the minute, Shelton Benjamin is a good role model for kids, but i think that he has a ring presence that is good even though he's never had any time on the mic.

[gaslight]

How come Batista is allowed to take the Batista bomb full on? Usually when Flair lands from a backdrop or something, he always makes a visible effort to land on his side rather than flat on his back, I always assumed this was an injury or something, am I wrong?

It really is sad about the Matt/Edge/Lita thing. Especially for Matt Hardy, it sounds like he really got gutted by it. Lita is incredibly hot but it's no excuse to cheat on your wife, and she's taken. Edge really dropped the ball on that one.

[gaslight]

I wouldn't like to see anyone win the IC title at the minute, Shelton Benjamin is a good role model for kids, but i think that he has a ring presence that is good even though he's never had any time on the mic.

He is good hey, that was a really nice T-Bone suplex on Snitsky.

The number of times I've watched him do that suplex in slow motion going like "So the arm goes there, then he lifts them that way, turns... wtf."

[ChodaBoy]

I thought the same about the Batista bomb, when he did it to Flair i was expecting HHH to go and stop him, because Flair is really getting quite old now.

The T-bone is a combination of about 4 moves, t'is a strange one.
He was on Sky Sports (If your english you know what i mean) a few months ago, and he was about to T-bone the presenter to show him what it was like. As he got the presenter in the air his face turned to sheer horror! Was very delightful.

Chris Benoit was also on a few weeks later, he wasnt as interesting but it was still really good. Someone e-mailed the question "Which of the divas would you like to go out on a date with?" and instantly he replied "all of the above", which was pretty funny.

[Jom]

The Benoit/Benjamin match was pretty good tonight.

[The_One]

Oh the good old days of wrestling. I stopped watching because it was so fake.

Now I watch again because I just like the way they talk. It's pretty hilarious. If you know what I mean.

[gaslight]

Wrestling is great as long as you don't take it as meant to be real, the real fun is in knowing that it's entertainment because then it's just a great bit of fun.

[big69]

page snypa

[The_One]

Wrestling is great as long as you don't take it as meant to be real, the real fun is in knowing that it's entertainment because then it's just a great bit of fun.

123.

[Zmev]

Who else thought the TKO on bishoff was unnecessary?