WWE/TNA/ROH/Sports Entertainment

[SickBoy]

And when the **** are those La Resistance ****ers going to lose their titles?!

cant see it happening till next year

[gaslight]

I hate those guys like you wouldn't believe...

[JAStewart]

I hate them too. They aren't good heel's either. Triple H is a good Heel and so was Austin (2001).

[koRnymetallica]

You got the deaths correct (although I'm not sure about Ultimate Warrior)

Mark Henry and Jeff still wrestle now and again. The rest just disappeared. :( I liked Road Dogg.

E&C split due to Edge being King Of The Ring in... 2001 I think.


I presume you know about Owen Hart's death.

Noooo...E+C split in 2002 because (I think) Christian joined the Alliance and Edge didn't. Edge is way cool anyway. I got WWE Here Comes The Pain on PS2 and it is awesome. I just finished season as Undertaker - tag champion with Scott Steiner and US Champion. I stopped watching it around the same time as it split into two shows. I remember the the APA got split onto two shows and then Bradshaw got lame.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

Remember the cool matches with The Hardy's and Dudleys?


Oh yeah, now those were the days! Triple Threat Ladder at Wrestlemania 16, TLC at Summerslam 2000, TLC 2 at Wrestlemania 2001. Ah, f'ing awesome matches!

[burning star IV]

Wrestling is gay.

[a_minor_threat]

Wrestling is gay.
Yeah, I know.

[gaslight]

Does anyone know if I can get videos from Unforgiven on the internet?

I totally missed the part where Kane destroyed Shawn Michaels with the chair around his throat. That was pretty fkn vicious, even though it's all fake, it looked pretty convincing.

[Burning inside]

So what happened to Chyna?

I know that she got a broken neck from RTC, then she had a re-match at the Rumble 2001, during which she must of hurt her neck pretty bad, so bad that Jerry "the King" Lawler got out of his seat to see how she was.

Durning the following weeks, they said nothing about it.

So what happened?

[Kickflip_Burrito]

She came back after that I think but only wrestled against women and didn't compete in any major matches. That lasted a little while then disappeared.

[gaslight]

She ended up being written away from the company because there was nothing for her to do, her manager and her wanted her to get a storyline shot at the WWF title, but Vince though that was a joke of an idea and with that said, there was no room for her character to go anywhere, so she pretty much had nothing to do.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

Who do you guys reckon has the best theme tune or the best tune theme of all time?

[thedeadwalk!]

mankind.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

mankind.

I agree :thumb:, Cactus Jack's was also pretty cool. Triple H's old theme tune (from Music Volume 4, done by Rage Against The Machine) was good.

Its good to see Hardcore Holly still has old theme....or does he? I'm not sure now :confused:

[gaslight]

I'm pretty sure Triple H's music wasn't done by Rage Against The Machine, and neither was the music for Degeneration-X. Because at one of the Raw's or PPV's, their was a band set up in the ring to play DX's music and it wasn't Rage, and the singer wasn't Zack, though he did look like he really wanted to be him and did manage to sound a fair bit like him. Also, all the Rage FAQ's I've seen included the question about WWF/WWE themes and the reply was always that they hadn't done one.

I could be wrong though.

[Rogue Six]

Rob Van Dam's ECW Theme
Or the undertakers ministry theme.'
or stone colds disturbed theme

[JAStewart]

Austin.
Dude Love.
Mankind - Newer crash theme
Cactus Jack.
Hardys.
Edge old theme music (you think you know me)
Edge's new music.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

I'm pretty sure Triple H's music wasn't done by Rage Against The Machine, and neither was the music for Degeneration-X. Because at one of the Raw's or PPV's, their was a band set up in the ring to play DX's music and it wasn't Rage, and the singer wasn't Zack, though he did look like he really wanted to be him and did manage to sound a fair bit like him. Also, all the Rage FAQ's I've seen included the question about WWF/WWE themes and the reply was always that they hadn't done one.

I could be wrong though.

In Chyna's autobiography, theres a bit about theme music and it says 'Hunter got rage against the machine' if I remember correctly.

[Jom]

So what do you guys think about this Taboo Tuesday deal (hasn't looked at all 31 pages completely)?

[gaslight]

In Chyna's autobiography, theres a bit about theme music and it says 'Hunter got rage against the machine' if I remember correctly.

Maybe I'm wrong then :).

It just always seemed to me that Rage Against The Machine wouldn't do theme music for a big American company like that.

[gaslight]

Edge old theme music (you think you know me)
Edge's new music.

Edge has always had awesome theme music.

Back in the day, the Brood had awesome music as well.

[gaslight]

Nah man the Godfather is long gone from being on WWE TV shows regularly. :(.

He was such a classic though.

[JAStewart]

It isn't Rage Against The Machine. Its a band they hired to sound like them, and I have a video of the actual band on a PPV event.

[adrian]

I'm not too sure who it was that played the old DX theme, but in any case it was a **** good song. The newer version of the theme was done by RUN DMC, which was not too bad either.

But I would have to say top three theme songs..

1/ The Brood
2/ Ministry
3/ Old School Undertakers theme or Old School Kanes (with the organ intro) :evil:

[masochrist]

Why doesnt Kane wear his mask anymore? Whats up wityh that man, he used to be bad ***. Now he's just some big fat bald guy in underwear.

[thunderstruck223]

Why doesnt Kane wear his mask anymore? Whats up wityh that man, he used to be bad ***. Now he's just some big fat bald guy in underwear.

Snitsky>Kane......


EDIT:ITS NOT MY FAULT!!!!!

ahhh good times good times.

[Jom]

Why doesnt Kane wear his mask anymore? Whats up wityh that man, he used to be bad ***. Now he's just some big fat bald guy in underwear.

It was a stipulation of some match, where if he lost he had to remove the mask. Needless to say, he lost that match.

[gaslight]

Why doesnt Kane wear his mask anymore? Whats up wityh that man, he used to be bad ***. Now he's just some big fat bald guy in underwear.

Basically he was finding the mask was restricting his vision in the ring, as you can imagine it would, so they gradually wrote the mask away from his character.

[JAStewart]

La Resistance lots the tag titles!

I wish they would use Edge better in WWE.

[gaslight]

^ Who are the new champions?

[gaslight]

Ah, I just read the Tabboo Tuesday results.

Who on Earth is Gene Snitksy? I've never heard of him.

Good job on doing the chair thing to Kane though, sounds awesome.

[Brew]

^ Who are the new champions?

Chris Benoit and Edge.

[iceman3019]

i was at my friends house the other day and i saw the taboo tuesday or whatever . . . i have no idea who half the wrestlers are but when i saw that school girl match :naughty: . . .

[JAStewart]

Yeah. Taboo Tuesday was a bit weird.

[JAStewart]

WWF ruled. I love watching accidents downloaded from WINMX.

[Brew]

WWF ruled. I love watching accidents downloaded from WINMX.

I have aload of Wrestling clips/matches downloaded from Winmx.

[crossface]

Go Ric Flair! Go Go Nature Boy! You are my idol!

WOOOOOOOOOO!

[Kickflip_Burrito]

Has anyone got the clip of Kane slipping off the top turnbuckle and falling onto the ropes against RVD? Quie funny.

Kane sucks now, he used to be intimidating.....now he's just a fat bald guy.

[gaslight]

Anyone know the exact reason Jeff Hardy was kicked from the company?

I heard it was drug addiction but just making sure.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

Yeah, it was drug abuse. WWE has a zero tolerance policy so he got fired.

[JAStewart]

He took drugs once and was late for a show so they did a random check on him and there you go.

Theres one of Triple H doing a pedegree piledriver mistake, funny but painful.
Theres one of Nash doing jacknife powerbomb on Andre The Giant and he makes a toss of it.

Any more?

[gaslight]

I've seen that Triple H vid. Is that the one with Jim Ross all "Oh, and here it is, the Pedigree - omgwtf."

That guys neck looks like a slinky when he hits the canvas.

[Brew]

He took drugs once and was late for a show so they did a random check on him and there you go.

Theres one of Triple H doing a pedegree piledriver mistake, funny but painful.
Theres one of Nash doing jacknife powerbomb on Andre The Giant and he makes a toss of it.

Any more?

The Big Show.

[bassisbest]

Its all HHH faulr the ratings are so bad. TH show is centered all round him. Its a shame that Steph and HHH are gonna take over the company when Vince kills over........I think Shane McMahon would do a much better job.

[thunderstruck223]

If Brock EVER comes back, theres a good chance he might get to run the company instead of HHH.

Personally I think Naitch should run it.

[Brew]

Brock doesn't have a chance at running the company.

Its going to be HHH + Steph when Vince decides to call it a day.

[thunderstruck223]

I would say Brock had an ok chance, if he kept sucking up to Vince.

Him and Vince were really close.

[Brew]

He'd still never got control of the company, its a family thing and HHH is only in line because he married Steph.

[Jom]

The Big Show.

Ehh... there was a wrestler named Andre the Giant, not to be confused with The Giant/The Big Show.

'Tis all good.

[P¡mpyMchorseHorse]

Wrestling is gay.

[el doctor]

Gene Snitsky is my hero.

[thunderstruck223]

Gene Snitsky is my hero.

Thank god finally someone noticed some true talent.


ITS NOT MY FAULT.

[JAStewart]

Big news!

A-Train
Test
Billy Gun

all fired from WWE!

www.wrestlingexposed.com

[Brew]

Ehh... there was a wrestler named Andre the Giant, not to be confused with The Giant/The Big Show.

'Tis all good.

I know, I just pointed out his mistake :p

Nash buggered up the jack-knife on The Big Show(going under the name of The Giant)

[Brew]

Big news!

A-Train
Test
Billy Gun

all fired from WWE!

www.wrestlingexposed.com

Best.website.ever

for wrestling news anyways.

It'd be good to see the New Age Outlaws in TNA.

[Jom]

I know, I just pointed out his mistake :p

Nash buggered up the jack-knife on The Big Show(going under the name of The Giant)

Ah, dammit, my fault there. I should have read both messages closely.

It's not like those three who got fired were doing anything storyline-impacting, anyway... although I did like the chants of "Shave your back!" for A-Train.

[Brew]

A-Train was crap after they broke up T&A.

He was pretty funny as the Hip-Hop Hippo.

How embarressing.

[Jom]

This is sort of an offbeat question, but does anyone have "Across the Nation" that they'd g-mail me? Every version I find is edited, and it's starting to piss me off... I'd appreciate it if anyone has an unedited version, or is there only an edited version of that song?

[JAStewart]

Whos entry theme was it?

[NakedRaygun872]

poor old owen hart.:(


I AM NOT A NUGGET!

[Jom]

Whos entry theme was it?

It's the new RAW theme by The Union Underground.

[Jom]

Bumped because I'm wondering if anyone has it, and if anyone has an excellent quality of Mercy Drive's "Burn In My Light."

[Hunted By a Freak]

Nice avatar, Kif.

[crossface]

who else thinks that Randy Orton sucks, overrated, too-cocky, and should never have been a world champion?

i dont know why after he won the belt a few months ago, everybody likes him and is kissing his ***... maybe the fans forgot what Randy Orton did in the past(spitting on everybodys face)

[gaslight]

He's a bit of a tool but it's good storyline.

[thedeadwalk!]

has anyone seen the new blade: trinity trailer? you can see a glimpse of HHH snarling as a vampire.

and for the new king conan movie, arnold wants the rock to play his adopted son.

[JAStewart]

who else thinks that Randy Orton sucks, overrated, too-cocky, and should never have been a world champion?




Totally agreed.

What do you all think of the new Smackdown game? I love it,.

[Malakian Worshipper]

wrestling was good, then stone cold got fat and left, and all these cr@p wrestlers came in and arent even fun to watch anymore coz they do the same thing all the time,
and its all just a big theatrical thing, all these purple lights and sh!t. everyone thought it was a big spectacle b4, now its just outa control

[murray_lindsay]

yeah wwf was cool back in the late nineties.. it started to go downhill in 2000 when angle and hhh were fighting over steph. they should have let angle steal her so hhh could have turned good. also they dropped the ball with who hit austin..
i think they have too many big guys that cant fight and undertaker and hunter should go down the card and let newer people be champion and main event.
i have been a fan since 86- the first thing i remember about watching wrestling was jake the snake ddt ing ricky steamboat on the arena floor and paul ondorff feuding with hulk.. **** i thought wrestling was real and that they really werent friends.
btw i am an english teacher in korea and the koreans here love it.. to bad they didnt watch it five years ago when it was fresh and cutting edge

[Rogue Six]

The WWE needs another ECW style threat to deal with, have any of you guys seen the downfall of ECW DVD? I've heard it's pretty kick ***.

[Brew]

The Rise and Fall of ECW is supposed to be one of the best DVD's the WWE has put out for ages.

[gaslight]

You know there's a problem with the TV wrestling when you can go a whole segment inbetween ads without seeing a match.

[Hunted By a Freak]

Hahaha.

X-pac.


Hahaha

[thunderstruck223]

http://snitskymania.ytmnd.com.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

who else thinks that Randy Orton sucks, overrated, too-cocky, and should never have been a world champion?

i dont know why after he won the belt a few months ago, everybody likes him and is kissing his ***... maybe the fans forgot what Randy Orton did in the past(spitting on everybodys face)

I agree, he's been too successful too quickly, like Cena. He beat Foley countless times, had the IC Titles for way too long, won the Heavyweight Championship and is now a main eventer. How long has he been at WWE now? Not very long. He should've had to work is way up the ladder instead of being fast-tracked.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

This is sort of an offbeat question, but does anyone have "Across the Nation" that they'd g-mail me? Every version I find is edited, and it's starting to piss me off... I'd appreciate it if anyone has an unedited version, or is there only an edited version of that song?

I believe that is on the WWF Forceable Entry album. Good album, worth buying.

[JAStewart]

Its got some good stuff yeah.

[dans107]

^ Shameless bump of the month!

[JAStewart]

Well it had to be done, this thread, like classic Attitude era wrestling will never die!

I've seen clips of the new Blade movie with Triple H, looks interesting.

[Volkert314]

bump a WWE thread is always a good thing

[JAStewart]

Smackdown VS RAW is a great thing to want for Christmas. Its got some good new unreleased Powerman 5000 music and Zebrahead!

[GodhatesFag]

x-pac did some sex tapes with chyna
road dogg,jeff hardy,shamrock now in TNA
gangrel return to smackdown
edge and christian will never wrestle as a tag team again because according to edge he is not a tag team competitor

yokozuna and hawk DEAD... :upset:
the rest i don't know...

[Brew]

I've seen Zebrahead :cool:

I wondered where this thread had gone...maybe moving it into the sports sub-forum would be a wise idea?

[JAStewart]

Nah^ it gets more posts here. And besides, its fun to see how many people post in this thread and say "OMGF wrestlin is liek so gay, its just men in tites". So? Who cares?Its entertainment.

I've heard rumours of Mick Foley VS Rick Flair and Rock VS Austin at Wrestlemania 21. If Rock wins, I will lose all once known hope in wrestling.

[MattyBlade]

wow hawk died? i haven't watched wrestling in a while...
Mr. perfect was the man, but wasn't he also into steroids ?

I'm glad xpac is gone, he is a weiner
I'm glad Road dogg is gone as well for the reason above.

I don't watch wrestling anymore because i've come to realize they do overly too much talking, and not nearly enough fake fighting.

[eddierulesVH]

hawk died animal still living

[Volkert314]

Nah^ it gets more posts here. And besides, its fun to see how many people post in this thread and say "OMGF wrestlin is liek so gay, its just men in tites". So? Who cares?Its entertainment.

I've heard rumours of Mick Foley VS Rick Flair and Rock VS Austin at Wrestlemania 21. If Rock wins, I will lose all once known hope in wrestling.

Foley and Flair is debatable and would almost really be a shoot fight cause of altercations they had at a recent show.

I don't think Rock and Austin would be good only cause both left and are still considered Faces and really couldn't be built enough to make it a worth while match. However, I wouldn't mind seeing either wrestler there in a match or at least Austin being inducted into the HoF.

[red barchetta]

when i used to watch it, i was a huge fan of kai-en-tai :D

[thedeadwalk!]

when i used to watch it, i was a huge fan of kai-en-tai :D
INDEED.

[thedeadwalk!]

Foley and Flair is debatable and would almost really be a shoot fight cause of altercations they had at a recent show.
what happened?

[_GanondorF_]

INDEED.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[red barchetta]

INDEED.
it was genius

[JAStewart]

Wow, that TNA retard Abyss might be joining WWE.

Credit: PWInsider.com

As covered all day yesterday on the newsboard, it is all but official that Abyss is finished with TNA. On Tuesday, he approached management, including Jeff Jarrett, to inform them that his contract was set to expire and he wanted a raise to stay because he has been shown interest from WWE. Jarrett was said to be extremely upset not just for the fact that Abyss is on the way out, but he was confronted with this situation fifteen minutes before Impact! was set to be taped. Dusty Rhodes sent Abyss home, noting it wasn't the time nor the place to deal with such an issue. There is some heat on Bob Ryder, whose job it is to handle the contracts of active talent. Abyss did offer to work TV and the upcoming Final Resolution pay-per view, offering to do jobs on the way out. Looks as though it will be Vince's turn to welcome Abyss with balloons and cookies this time.

One TNA source claims Jeff Jarrett leaving the booking position has turned out to be a really good move. Jarrett is seemingly more rejuvenated since the move was made to let Dusty Rhodes handle the book, which gives Jarrett the opportunity to focus on the business side of the company. He has already gotten several replays of Impact! added to the FOX Sports Net deal, among other deals currently in progress.

[JAStewart]

On a recent radio interview, Triple H confirmed that the Rock will be returning at Wrestlemania and that Brock Lesnar has shown an interest in returning. When asked why the wrestling business is currently not doing as well as expectations, Triple H said it was a combination of Mick Foley and Steve Austin getting hurt and Rock leaving for Hollywood.

- Steve Austin is expected to be involved in Wrestlemania in some capacity, but nothing definite has yet been decided. There is an outside chance that he may actually wrestle on the PPV, but most consider it to be less than 50-50.

- The Rock is expected to meet with WWE officials in the next week or two to find out what plans they have in store for him and what his role at Wrestlemania will be. Rock will probably pitch his own ideas and considering the amount of power he has, he can basically do whatever he wants. It is expected that officials will probably push a Rock vs. JBL idea to him, probably with the intention that Layfield be put over since Rock won’t be staying. If they follow that course, the John Cena title win would be pushed back until after Wrestlemania since long-term plans are still to have a re-draft.

[chicken_giblets]

I remember when Owen Hart died... i was actually watching that PPV, live. It was so sad.

Anyone remember Stephanie McMahon and Tests "Wedding?" hahahaha...

I haven't watched it for about 5-6 years. I remember when Stephanie got kidnapped by the Undertaker... that was great.

[Dave Version 1]

what happened?

Flair made a few comments in his autobiography about a number of wrestlers, including calling Foley a "stuntman".

Foley was at a recent Raw show for a brief appearance to help bring in Mohammad Hassan and his manager. He bumped into Flair backstage and made a passing remark about the comments in the book, leading Flair to wallop him. Officials intervened before it escalated further.

And to whoever it was said Eddie Guerrero sucks - go suck your mother. He is possibley the greatest talent on Smackdown! right now, and deserves to be champion way mroe than JBL, Cena or anyone - especially after overcoming all his personal problems as well.

Viva La Raza~!

[TonyLim]

did you ever look at the blood they spill? sometimes it just looks like painted water or something. its not hick enough.

[Dave Version 1]

did you ever look at the blood they spill? sometimes it just looks like painted water or something. its not hick enough.

No, it's all real blood. They have a small razorblade tucked into their wrist tape, so when they get hit in the face they can "cover" it, and slip out the razorblade and make a small cut - deep enough to bleed, but not deep enough to leave a scar - then slip the blade back in. Normally at this time the camera will focus on the opponent, so you don't see it.

Although sometimes they don't even need to blade (re: Eddie Guerrero at Judgement Day). And Shawn Michaels always ends up bumping his head after blading, which is why he bleeds so much.

[Brew]

Not everyone blades themselves, some wrestlers get the ref do to it or their opponent.

Flair normally blades his opponents.

[thedeadwalk!]

did you ever look at the blood they spill? sometimes it just looks like painted water or something. its not hick enough.
well, from experience, you bleed differently from different parts of the body and depending on the kind of injury you incur. like nosebleeds, it can flow like water; or there may even be a deep cut that won't bleed much at all. this doesn't mean they don't use it sometimes, because they do. i'm just saying.

[thedeadwalk!]

how many of the wrestlers use blades to bleed? i was under the impression that this had stopped. it saddens me deeply that this still goes on, and worse yet if it is widely used.

[Dave Version 1]

I'd say that most forehead wounds are blade jobs, but if the wound is somewhere more specific, like over the eyebrow, then it's probably an accidental bust.

It's unfortunate that it does still go on, but sometimes they need to add blood to give a bit more emotion to the match, depending on the storylines etc. I think it's mainly left to chance now though, but I couldn't be sure.

[Volkert314]

how many of the wrestlers use blades to bleed? i was under the impression that this had stopped. it saddens me deeply that this still goes on, and worse yet if it is widely used.

Some wrestlers have actually gone to the whole idea of blood packets, but they're too easilly noticable or dropped. But many still blade.

It's almost like a papercut, you make a very small cut, but the opponent will throw a few soft punches on the cut to make it bleed some more. If you've ever seen Flair, he really has a great blading job cause of his bleach blonde hair, which becomes almost red as he bleeds. HBK really does it well as well.

It can be gruesome at times, like when Vince did it at Survivor Series in 2003. He was a bloody mess cause of his blade job. It's part of the way wrestling is during this age, it happens so often it really isn't looked upon the same way like it would have back in Hogan's day.

[JAStewart]

Isn't is extremely dangerous and potentially illeagal though?

[Ganondorf]

Eddie Gurreruo collapsed after his Judgement Day match with JBL when he bladed too hard.

[gaslight]

Almost everything they do is potentially very dangerous though, remember what happened to Droz.

[Yamaha2k3]

I remember something happening in our little town that had to do with wwe. This was awhile back and I guess Vince was looking for Austin in this little cafe and he thought he found him but it turned out to be this other guy. This guy looked pissed but before anything happend, the waitress (or owner) pulled out this rifle and toled McMahnn to get the hell out. The look on his face was priceless :lol: . Stone Cold grew up a few miles away from where I live now. He was my favorite wrestler. It's been probally 4 or 5 years since I really watched wrestling. It just became so stupid. Then I tried watching it again but there were so many new wrestlers and the ones I liked were gone. I miss the old WWF :upset:

[Dave Version 1]

Eddie Gurreruo collapsed after his Judgement Day match with JBL when he bladed too hard.

Ah, but Eddie bladed and then Layfield walloped him with a stiff chair shot, which is why he bled so much. But that's very true, he collapsed in the middle of his match the following Smackdown! and JBL surprised us all by having the ware-wth-all to make a quick pin and let the medics get down.

[gaslight]

So that collapse was real?

[jcxstargazer]

Sometimes it makes you wonder though, like when Kane got that chair around his neck and Snitzky jumped on it, there was still blood coming out after a minute. so its not like it was in his mouth waiting

[ExitSandman]

The only way I would watch WWE is if some wrestlers from WCW came to it. like when goldberg was there I watched because he is a cool guy. All other WWE is lame and cheesy. :)

Oh BTW, about blood, 99% it's all ketchup, and other 1% is the actual accidents which means there aren't many because they practice day and night jumping off the roofs and such.

[red barchetta]

The only way I would watch WWE is if some wrestlers from WCW came to it. like when goldberg was there I watched because he is a cool guy. All other WWE is lame and cheesy. :)

Oh BTW, about blood, 99% it's all ketchup, and other 1% is the actual accidents which means there aren't many because they practice day and night jumping off the roofs and such.
errr...ketchup?? please, ketchup is the worst example for pretended blood

[Jom]

I watched a documentary about wrasslin' a couple years ago... they either blade or use blood packets and stick the packets back into their spandex.

Ketchup is too chunky, anyway... people aren't that short-sighted.

[bassisbest]

its all real. Trust, I know.

[Dave Version 1]

So that collapse was real?

Yep, that was totally real. He hadn't full recovered from all the blood-loss, but being a defiant young man, decided to work the match anyway. They had EMT's backstage ready and waiting, just in case, which was lucky.

[A.C. Slater]

I approve of this internet.

[Dave Version 1]

An interesting statement. Whyfor do you approve so?

[A.C. Slater]

An interesting statement. Whyfor do you approve so?
It has wrestling.

[Brew]

The bleeding is real.

You know you've been in a good hardcore match, when the colour of your opponents shirt turns from white to red.

Edit: By real I mean the blading is legit.

[Dave Version 1]

It has wrestling.

*applause*

People may hate it, but they know the world wouldn't be the same without it. It might be better, but that's a different story.

You know you've been in a good hardcore match, when the colour of your opponents shirt turns from white to red.

That was a fantastic statement, made better by the fact it's true. For proof, see Mick Foley, Raven and Terry Funk matches. And ECW. But not CZW, that's taking it too far.

[jcxstargazer]

czw is hilarious

[Rogue Six]

Anybody on here watch NWA-TNA? I think it is better than WWE at the moment. the WWE's writing is horrible..

[gaslight]

Sometimes it makes you wonder though, like when Kane got that chair around his neck and Snitzky jumped on it, there was still blood coming out after a minute. so its not like it was in his mouth waiting

When Snitsky did it to HBK it looked really fkn hardcore.

[jcxstargazer]

If WWE would like to get the amount of viewers they used to have they need to bring back amazing stipulations like TLC, Inferno, really hardcore/streetfight matches (24/7 style maybe like the one Crash Holly (R.I.P) came up with. People just get bored with simple one-on-one matches over and over or crappy basic tag teams

[jcxstargazer]

oh and bring back DX

[Kickflip_Burrito]

If WWE would like to get the amount of viewers they used to have they need to bring back amazing stipulations like TLC, Inferno, really hardcore/streetfight matches (24/7 style maybe like the one Crash Holly (R.I.P) came up with. People just get bored with simple one-on-one matches over and over or crappy basic tag teams
Yeah I agree, all the matches are getting samey but didn't they have to tone down their matches because of parents complaining about their kids imitating such matches?
There is a reason why some of the videos and DVD's are rated 18!

[Everything_and_Nothing_3:15]

I used to watch it back in 5th grade and if you didn't watch it you weren't cool, then you had to have Wrestle Maina 2000 for N64.

[jcxstargazer]

I thought thats what the day-time versions were for? Although the so called "Late Night" still censor things out so thats pretty crappy, its not as if 7 year olds are awake at 2am just to watch wrestling

[Kickflip_Burrito]

Yeah true. I guess the WWE are really paranoid about being sued by an angry mum who obviously doesn't maintain any control over her kid from watching late night/hardcore wrestling.

[jcxstargazer]

Then we slap her!!!!!! muhahaa

[jcxstargazer]

im watching Smackdown right now, they pulled the cover off the announcers table and hinted someone was gonna be put through it but now they're back in the ring doing...a suplex?!

[jcxstargazer]

Ok, I admit i do sound obbsessed with it all.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

Smackdown sucks nowadays, since the draft thing, smackdown has had nothing but sub-standard 'superstars'. The only real decent person they got on there is The Undertaker, oh, and maybe Big Show. John Cena is a prick, there's nothing special about him, or JBL, what a crap character, same as Luthor Reigns or whatever his name is. The only one I can see good potential in is Carlito, he reminds me of The Rock but a bad guy/heel. He has that arrogance about him and goes about it in a funny way.

Raw is a much better show but even that is faltering.

[jcxstargazer]

Raw pwns Smackdown. I wish they didnt do the draft, or got rid of it. i think they only did it because the big stars couldnt keep fighting every monday, thursday, and then the monthly event.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

Yeah, they wanted time with their families. But weigh up the wrestlers on the Raw roster then those on Smackdown, massive difference and in favour of Raw. It should be equal, smackdown should have more well-known and established superstars, not new talent, there's too many of them.

[jcxstargazer]

They have loads of cruiserweight competetors so they're involved quite alot even though most dont get a reaction out of the crowd.

[vashts80]

did you ever look at the blood they spill? sometimes it just looks like painted water or something. its not hick enough.

When they blade, they don't bleed that much...unless they're like HBK or somebody where he blades DEEP and then takes more bumps, where he bleeds like a faucet.

If they don't bleed much, the reason why it looks watery is because the blood is mixing with the sweat on their faces which causes the blood to lose it's thickness so as to run down their face,

[eddierulesVH]

this thread is from like 2004 who bumped it?

[el doctor]

Raw pwns Smackdown. I wish they didnt do the draft, or got rid of it. i think they only did it because the big stars couldnt keep fighting every monday, thursday, and then the monthly event.Actually, they still wrestle more than you think. Raw goes live on Monday, Smackdown gets recorded on Tuesday, and then the rest of the week both shows have house shows. As far as I know, the roster split was mainly done because WWE started to amount so many wrestlers.

[simplephotographinthesun]

They have loads of cruiserweight competetors so they're involved quite alot even though most dont get a reaction out of the crowd.

the smackdown writing team doesn't know how to do ****

[Drumma]

sorry but big fat hairy men in tight pants grabbing each other and rolling around the floor doesnt appeal to me

[Quiet Things]

UFC > Wrestling

For reasons that one is actually happening and the other is a bunch of hairy, more-steroid-than-man, overpaid actors.

'Nuff said.

[gaslight]

They have loads of cruiserweight competetors so they're involved quite alot even though most dont get a reaction out of the crowd.

Yeah, most of them are looked over because there's hardly any place for them in storylines. Except for Rey Mysterio, the fans love that guy.

[JAStewart]

I have the Rey DVD, its amazing what that kid can do!

[Brew]

Paul Heyman did everything for the cruiserweights on Smackdown, now that he's gone they've not got a chance of being any good with Steph McMahon leading Smackdown into the ground.

[gaslight]

JAStewart - Yeah man, Rey is really freaking good. I also miss the when Matt and Jeff Hardy used to tag team, I know Matt Hardy is still around but he doesn't really do anything.

LB - Yeah, wtf is with Stephanie anyway, is she a writer? Or just someone who stands around being a bitch?

What happened to Shane anyway?

[pixiesfanyo]

Gaslight, it scares me that you watch WWE.

[Dave Version 1]

JAStewart - Yeah man, Rey is really freaking good. I also miss the when Matt and Jeff Hardy used to tag team, I know Matt Hardy is still around but he doesn't really do anything.

The problem with Matt and Jeff was that they started to destroy their bodies. Jeff Hardy became a complete wreck and vanished from wrestling to try and pursue a music career, but he now wrestles in TNA. He's tried to cut down on the crazy spots, because it is destroying his body. Matt has been injured, and is rehabbing at the minute.

LB - Yeah, wtf is with Stephanie anyway, is she a writer? Or just someone who stands around being a bitch?

Stephanie is head of the creative team. The problem is, she thinks she knows what all the fans want, which she thinks is big, stupid oafs who can't wrestle. Under her guidance, new characters aren't given the chance to get over properly, teams are thrown together and torn apart at random and Paul Heyman gets removed from the creative team, because he's better than her.

What happened to Shane anyway?

Shane mainly handles more administrative things now, e.g. he was at the head of the company's press conferences in Japan to announce the Japanese live shows.

[gaslight]

The problem with Matt and Jeff was that they started to destroy their bodies. Jeff Hardy became a complete wreck and vanished from wrestling to try and pursue a music career, but he now wrestles in TNA. He's tried to cut down on the crazy spots, because it is destroying his body. Matt has been injured, and is rehabbing at the minute.

Oh okay, I always thought Jeff Hardy was kicked out of the WWE for drugs or something. What did he do in music?

[robnathanson]

anyone remember the Undertaker vs mankind cell match when he choke slammed mick foley through the cell?

taht was pretty cool


and it wasn;'t supposed to happen!

I'm surprised he didn't get killed when that happened.

[gaslight]

That was an accident? ****.

[Jom]

Rey is the staple cruiserweight on SD!, no question... some of the others are talented, but Scotty 2 Hotty is easily the most entertaining of them all.

I really would like to see Paul London go places. That 450 splash is awesome... but unfortunately, he'll get tossed out of the Rumble in like ten seconds... probably by that Puder fag from Tough Enough... I hope that guy gets blasted by someone in the PPV though.

[gaslight]

I heard rumours that Pyschosis was going to sign with WWE. I think it was him anyway.

[Dave Version 1]

Oh okay, I always thought Jeff Hardy was kicked out of the WWE for drugs or something. What did he do in music?

Oh yeah, I always forget that bit - he was pffered rehab, but refused. I think it was more of a mutual agreement.

In music he didn't do very much. His band has a name which is almost impossible to remember, and I think they were pretty bad - hence why he's now in TNA.

Scotty 2 Hotty is easily the most entertaining of them all.

While this is certainly true, and Scotty is one hell of a character, I think he needs a new finisher. The Worm is fantastic, and the crowd really get behind him, but does anyone really buy it? I mean, okay, suspend your disbelief, but come on. He should use it on rare occasions, like The Rock moved to doing with The People's Elbow.

As for Paul London, he will never go places. The problem is he uses a better Shooting Star Splash than Billy Kidman, and he's a cruiserweight. We all know that the WWE can't utilise the cruisers properly, and as long as Billy is married to Torrie Wilson, London will be forced down into the lower ranks.

I would love to see Paul as the Cruiserweight champion, but the WWE don't give him enough exposure for the fans to care - and that's where they fall down a lot. Guys like Heidenrich and Snitsky, both of whom are very entertaining, just aren't skilled enough in the ring. The guys who are get ignored. Life just ain't fair.

[Brew]

Paul London is an amazing wrestler, I've seen him in ROH main-eventing. He's nuts.

[Dave Version 1]

I heard rumours that Pyschosis was going to sign with WWE. I think it was him anyway.

Psichosis has been given a try-out match with the WWE, scheduled to be before the Royl Rumble tomorrow night. The company has been expressing a lot more interest in Cruiserweights recently, so they hopefully are going to use them better - although it is expected that Psicocsis was given the try-out as the result of a request from his friend, Rey Mysterio.

A lot of people may now be wondering how I know so much. I'm a reporter and columnist on JPWWE (www.jpwwe.2ya.com), a British-based wrestling news site. Feel free to visit and have a look around - my latest column gives my predictions up until WrestleMania (look under Dave McGuckin) :)

[gaslight]

Haha awesome man :).

I can't imagine Jeff Hardy being much of a singer, he probably played guitar or something. I remember they said Lita played/(s) drums, and she used to play bass in Three Card Trick or something.

[Dave Version 1]

Paul London is an amazing wrestler, I've seen him in ROH main-eventing. He's nuts.

Paul really is one of the greatest young talents in the wrestling world today. His RoH work is the stuff of dreams, and the guy has a natural feel for the ring and his opponents. I really do wish the WWE would give him a proper chance - when he returned from injury, they didn't even bother continuing his feud with Kidman, which could have gone a long way.

Speaking of RoH, I would love to see CM Punk in the WWE - without a single change. I think his character and style would make him a perfect asset to Smackdown!, and if he came in with Colt Cabana, the Second City Saints could really help set the WWE tag division on fire again.

I think they should ditch the World Tag titles on Raw, buck all the tag teams onto Smackdown! and get to work - it'd be far better. Taht'd ;eave room for them to resurect another singles title on RAw, like the old wCw T.V. title. The Cruisers and tag teams on Smackdown! could give the show a really unique feel, but the WWE are just too short sighted to see that.

[Jom]

Scotty is one hell of a character, [but] I think he needs a new finisher. The Worm is fantastic, and the crowd really get behind him, but does anyone really buy it? I mean, okay, suspend your disbelief, but come on. He should use it on rare occasions, like The Rock moved to doing with The People's Elbow.

That's what I meant by S2H being entertaining... everyone gets behind him because they know all the letters and moves. He doesn't strike me as a high-flyer, so he has to resort to The Worm. Also, at house shows, I think he brings kids on stage or whatever... I think he is written moreso in gear for entertainment than the physical part.

[insertusernamehere]

Ok I don't care if you, your grandmother or your cousin 6 times related through your step sisters brothers childs side thinks that the WWE or WWF is cheesy and lame I am just wanting a few answers...

I stopped in 2001 and have kinda started watching it again.

So much stuff happened and I don't really like the changes.

But anyway...

Why and where did...

X-Pac
Jeff Hardy
Mark Hendry
Road Dogg
Ken Shamrock
Steve Blackman
Gangrel
+ any others you want to add

go?

Why did Edge and Christian split up as a team?
Why did the Hardys split?

Did the following wrestlers die?

Ultimate warrior
Mr. Perfect
Yukozona
British Bulldog
Hawk (Or Animal)

Thanks.


hick.



http://www.di-links.com/link898.html some backyard wrestling tape i found

[Dave Version 1]

Backyarding is bad. Bad, bad, bad. Channel 4 showed a documentary last year about backyarding in the UK, and it ruined the image of the British scene completely.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

I saw that, some of that was pretty graphic. Most of them were just kids, then again, its better to see them trashing stuff over themselves and not over other people or other people's property.....why can't the townies just do that?

[vashts80]

Paul really is one of the greatest young talents in the wrestling world today. His RoH work is the stuff of dreams, and the guy has a natural feel for the ring and his opponents. I really do wish the WWE would give him a proper chance - when he returned from injury, they didn't even bother continuing his feud with Kidman, which could have gone a long way.

Speaking of RoH, I would love to see CM Punk in the WWE - without a single change. I think his character and style would make him a perfect asset to Smackdown!, and if he came in with Colt Cabana, the Second City Saints could really help set the WWE tag division on fire again.

I agree, London is one of the best cruisers in the world.

As far as Punk in WWE goes, as much as I'd love to see that happen, it shouldn't unless somebody who actually knows what they're doing is booking (Heyman or Bischoff or a wrestler other than Trips), because otherwise with Steph at the helm, he'll just be another low-card jobber...he's got the look, he's got the mic-skills and he has the in-ring skills (Two 60-minute draws with Samoa Joe and a 45-minute loss to Joe), and would be one of the best on the roster. I also agree that if Colt came in, it'd be awesome...I'd love to see all three of the SCS (Punk, Colt, and Ace) come in and do like they do in ROH now, where it's like Punk and Colt, then the next night it's Colt and Ace due to Punk being in singles. That'd rule.

Colt is funny as ****, he'd get over very quickly with the WWE crowds. Same with Punk...Ace, I don't know about.

[Electric Riley]

Is it just me, or do female wrestlers look like men?

[The Sound of Led Smashing]

yes, they do. That's because they are men with duct taped privates.

[Dave Version 1]

Chyna looked like a man, and to a certain extent, still does. But if you turn on Raw this week and look at the women, Trish Stratus, Molly Holly, Victoria etc... I would then emplore you to come on here and tell me you wouldn't hit it.

[gaslight]

Don't forget Lita. Hot.

Side question, for people who have played the last few WWE games. In the movesets for creating wrestlers and that, there's this move called Emerald Fusion that I haven't seen actually done on TV or anything. Anyone know where that's from? I imagine it's from some wrestler I haven't seen on WWE.

[Dave Version 1]

Side question, for people who have played the last few WWE games. In the movesets for creating wrestlers and that, there's this move called Emerald Fusion that I haven't seen actually done on TV or anything. Anyone know where that's from? I imagine it's from some wrestler I haven't seen on WWE.

Never think like that. The Burning Hammer in included in Day of Reckoning on GameCube and it's done by RoH's Danny Maff. But the Emerald Fusion is a quality move, I'll see whether I can find out for you.

[Dave Version 1]

I've just been informed that the Emerald Fusion is the trademark move of Japanese star Mitsuharu Misawa. I believe he wrestles mainly for New Japan Pro Wrestling, but don't quote me on that.

[gaslight]

Oh what I meant was that I thought it was from a wrestler not on WWE programming, not that I thought it was a from a WWE wrestler that I hadn't noticed before.

And yeah, the Burning Hammer looks deadly. I can't tell from the game though, but they're meant to like land on their head right? Kinda like a reverse death valley driver.

[Dave Version 1]

Oh what I meant was that I thought it was from a wrestler not on WWE programming, not that I thought it was a from a WWE wrestler that I hadn't noticed before.

Whoops. :p Apparently a view other people have done it beofre as well, but Misawa was the originator.

And yeah, the Burning Hammer looks deadly. I can't tell from the game though, but they're meant to like land on their head right? Kinda like a reverse death valley driver.

Yep, that's exactly what it is, except there's a twist on the fall, so it' like being screwed into the ground. Painful.

Since you seem to know your wrestling, I suggest you take a little look at this video. PWG (http://www.indyinsider.com/andy/PWG_Number2_Andy.wmv) is a rather exceptional indie company from the States and has had some exceptional matches in the past year - this video provides the highlights. I suggest Right Click, Save As for this one, it takes a while to download.

2 points if you can guess my favourite spot from the video.

[gaslight]

Awesome, downloading that now. Thanks man.

One of my favourite finisher's was always Edge's Downward Spiral, back when he used to actually do it, and even then I don't think it was often. I think Kanyon had the move first though, but someone probably had it before both of them.

[Dave Version 1]

Edge is fantastic, especially now he's gone heel. The character just works so well. I'm listening to his new entrance theme right now as well - Metalingus by AlterBridge.

The Edgecution is a quality move as well. I can't believe that the combination of a Sharpshooter and Anklelock hasn't been thought of before that. When he locked it in on HBK a few weeks ago in Toronto, the crowd nearly blew the roof off, because they thought he was going for the Sharpshooter (gotta love Montreal '97).

It's a pity his Spear is so crap... he doesn't have the right sort of body to pull it off. Goldberg, yes, he was huge. Rhyno's Gore, yes, because he's built like a brick sh*thouse. Edge is too lanky for it to look effective, and I think he should be using the Edgecution and Edgecation a lot more.

[gaslight]

Yeah, Edge has been a big favourite of mine since I first saw him in a match, when he hadn't talked on camera or anything yet. I hope he ends up WWE Champion one day, but that probably wouldn't be on the cards for a year or more because the Evolution and Orton storyline will probably play out for ages, moreso now that there's the whole Batista situation with HHH.

But yeah it was pretty funny with Edge how they took his character from like the introverted quiet mysterious guy to the really extroverted ultra-cool persona and he could pull both off really well.

Rhyno's gore looks like a car wreck.

[ibanezmanson]

My mom was a ho on Tha Godfathers ho train. not really much to brag about, but I did get alot of autographs from wrestlers.

[Alive]

Edge is **** now, since he got back from his injury, his mic skills all but disappeared, and he cant seem to put on a good match. And his spear is just ridiculous

[JAStewart]

His hair match with Angle was the best match in recent history.

Who won the Royal Rumble '05?

[Jom]

Who won the Royal Rumble '05?

Batista eliminated John Cena.

Just go to a wrasslin' site for details, either the main WWE.com one or rajah.com, even though the latter has a lot of spoilers for WMXXI already.

[JAStewart]

I wish Mysterio'd win.

[Anarchy for the UK]

british bulldog was going to make a comeback but he was murdered in canada 3 weeks earlier

[Jom]

Sergeant Slaughter was on RAW last night, apparently. Too bad he lost.

[el doctor]

british bulldog was going to make a comeback but he was murdered in canada 3 weeks earlierExcept for the fact that he had a heart attack and wasn't murdered.

[gaslight]

Yeah I got Royal Rumble '05 on my Foxtel.

*SPOILERS: Match results.*












Edge defeats HBK by holding onto the ropes after a roll-up.

Undertaker defeats Heidenriech after interference by Snitsky and Kane (great spot!).

JBL pins Angle after interference by the Cabinet and after Jindrak and Reigns take out the Big Show. Teddy Long later reveals that JBL will face the man he didn't pin (The Big Show) in a Barbed Wire Steel Cage match in two weeks at Smackdown's No Way Out PPV.

Triple H defeats Randy Orton despite Evolution being banned from ringside. Great match but a really anti-climactic ending I thought.

The Royal Rumble itself, the last 4 men are Edge, Mysterio, Cena, and Batista. Edge eliminates Rey, then Cena and Batista both eliminate Edge. Cena tries to F-U Batista to the outside, but Batista fights out of it and gets him up for a powerbomb, Cena gets him off balance and both men land outside at the same time. The refs can't agree and argue in the ring. Vince McMahon then runs out, tripping on the way into the ring and hitting his knee on the apron, visibly in pain, and can't stand up to talk, so he tries to look cool sitting on his arse in the ring :lol:. Howard Finkel annouces for him that the match will be restarted. Cena goes for another F-U, Batista counters to the spinebuster and then throws him out, winning the Rumble.

[gaslight]

Sergeant Slaughter was on RAW last night, apparently. Too bad he lost.

Yeah, he lost a match to that Muhammad Hassan guy. I really don't think much of the Muhammad Hassan angle, it's pretty dull. I also don't like that they bring back a legend just to lose to him.

[jcxstargazer]

I dont like him either, they gave him a crap wrestling personality, which means that he will probably have to stick to it for a long time coz its not a subject he can quickly "change his mind" on.

[Jom]

Maybe he'll get deported WWE-style.

[jcxstargazer]

In a "car crash" rigged with fireworks and a smoke machine?!

[gaslight]

Well they're building to some big beatdown of him, I just don't know what it is yet.

The RAW from Japan should be a good show.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

I hope Big Show beats JBL in the barbed wire cage match, JBL sucks and he's had the title for way too long.

[thewolrab]

I watched this from ~1998 until 2002.

I think the name changing/WCW merger sucked bigtime. I really used to love watching this, though. I watched Smackdown a few months ago for the hell of it, but I missed the first hour.

[allalone]

Wrestling is practically just one big soap opera with hot chicks and body builders.

And sometimes there's wrestling involved.

[Jom]

JBL / Cena at WrestleMania is a rumor... so that means JBL beats Big Show at No Way Out. That'd be a bummer, but hopefully the match will be sweet anyway.

So if Cena beats JBL, does the US title go up for grabs? And can they get rid of that ridiculous "iced-out" US title? Sure, I get it, Cena made it... but it needs to go if he wins.

[joas]

JBL looks like he sucks as it is.

[simplephotographinthesun]

JBL as a world champion is a testament to how bad smackdown really is

[gaslight]

JBL / Cena at WrestleMania is a rumor... so that means JBL beats Big Show at No Way Out. That'd be a bummer, but hopefully the match will be sweet anyway.

So if Cena beats JBL, does the US title go up for grabs? And can they get rid of that ridiculous "iced-out" US title? Sure, I get it, Cena made it... but it needs to go if he wins.

Yeah, it's pretty likely the Edge will lose to HHH on RAW next week as well, because Triple H needs to keep his title for the Wrestlemania main event of HHH v Batista.

And it depends, in the past people have held both the World Heavyweight and Intercontinental titles at the same time, or maybe that was just me in wrestling games. Either way I guess it just depends on what the storyline calls for; having someone hold two titles means that the storylines would have to revolve around just one person, whereas if the titles are with two seperate people there's room for two seperate storylines.

And yeah Cena's spinning belt is really gay.

[el doctor]

JBL as a world champion is a testament to how bad smackdown really isAs stupid as Raw may be at times, you can at least tell they're trying. Smackdown just seems hopeless though. They scramble to fill up 2 hours, a quarter of which is JBL being a true American.

[Zmev]

And yeah Cena is really gay.

Fix'd.

[Jom]

I used to like JBL when he was a face with Farooq in the APA, but he isn't entertaining anymore. I'm getting tired of his shtick, but he's going to have the belt for awhile, it seems.

[simplephotographinthesun]

And it depends, in the past people have held both the World Heavyweight and Intercontinental titles at the same time, or maybe that was just me in wrestling games.

HBK was the world, intercontinental, european, and tag team champ all at the same time (im thinking around 96 or 97, early DX when it was just him, HHH, chyna and maybe x-pac)

[Volkert314]

HBK was the world, intercontinental, european, and tag team champ all at the same time (im thinking around 96 or 97, early DX when it was just him, HHH, chyna and maybe x-pac)

That is incorrect, but close. HBK is the first Grand Slam Title winner, meaning he held every belt he could at the time during his career. The last belt he needed was the World Title which he won from Bret Hart.

The only person to hold titles like that was Ultimo Dragon back when he was in New Japan held 7 Japan titles as well as the WCW CW Title.

[gaslight]

This thread slowed up a bit. Any other confirmed matches for No Way Out apart from the barbed wire cage and the #1 Contender tournaments?

[Jom]

Negative.

Hopefully a cruiserweight championship match between Paul London and Funaki

/me wishes

[Kickflip_Burrito]

Not that I know of :confused: I just hope JBL loses the title, he's had it way too long, its getting annoying.

[gaslight]

Yeah JBL isn't much of a champion. I'd like to see the Undertaker hold the belt but I guess they figure he's had enough time at the top, and he's a draw no matter what storyline he's in.

I'm really looking forward to HHH v Batista.

[el doctor]

I'm really looking forward to HHH v Batista.So am I, but you have to think... after this feud, what's really left for Batista? I mean, he's nothing when you take him away from the current storyline. He'll end up like Randy Orton.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

I knew Batista would win the Rumble and challenge HHH. Twas pretty obvious. I reckon HHH will retain it. I can't see Batista being the champ.

[gaslight]

It's hard to see HHH dropping the belt anytime soon really, and he's not an entertaining champion anymore. The thing about HHH is there's nothing for him to do if he's not the champion, but people are getting bored of him being the champion. I think WWE have backed themselves into a corner story-line wise.

[el doctor]

I think it's more than just coincidence that Raw was at its best in the past year or two when Benoit was champion.

[gaslight]

Yeah, it would be good to see some brand new storylines start after Wrestlemania.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

Is The Rock gonna come back to WWE? He'sbeen out doing filming for ages, is he actually gonna come back? To be honest, I think the company needs him back, there's just nobody as entertaining as he was.

[Jom]

I agree, The Rock was extremely entertaining... it would have been nice if him and Foley beat Evolution last year, though.

[gaslight]

The Rock would completely revitalise RAW, but I think he just does movies for the money these days, it's pretty sad really, his talent is in the ring, not acting in crap movies.

[simplephotographinthesun]

carlito will be the next rock but he must follow in the rock's shoes, GET RID OF THAT ****ING HAIRCUT

[Kickflip_Burrito]

Yeah, Wrestlemania last year was nothing special except for the triple threat between HHH vs Benoit vs HBK and Benoit won. That match was good. Goldberg vs Brock Lesnar was the worst match I've ever seen.

I think WWE should try and get The Rock back. He made WWE/WWF so much fun back in the day and he had some hilarious angles and interviews. Nowadays, its all about who looks the nastiest or who is tougher. For example, Kane has lost all of his characteristics since losing the mask and becoming a fat bald guy with a nasty face.

[el doctor]

carlito will be the next rock but he must follow in the rock's shoes, GET RID OF THAT ****ING HAIRCUTWhen I grow up, I wanna be just like him and always be eating that apple.
Goldberg vs Brock Lesnar was the worst match I've ever seen.I'm in the minority that actually enjoyed that match, simply because of the crowd reactions.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

carlito will be the next rock but he must follow in the rock's shoes, GET RID OF THAT ****ING HAIRCUT
I couldn't agree more, Carlito is great on the mic, he reminds me of a bad guy Rock. Yeah, he has to lose the 'caribbean cool' image a little bit, that afro just looks ridiculous.

[simplephotographinthesun]

When I grow up, I wanna be just like him and always be eating that apple.

and have hot vignettes, yeah, i know what you mean

ah the good life :cool:

[Jom]

Carlito plays such a convincing heel, everytime I watch, I hate his guts.

His petition shtick is getting old, though. As is the apple spitting and Jesus associate.

[simplephotographinthesun]

jesus wont be back for a while, he just had some neck surgery

[Jom]

He just seemed like a pointless character to me, is all.

[gaslight]

I've never bought into the whole Carlito and Jesus thing.

[Jom]

Am I the only one who thinks Teddy Long is doing a hysterical job as GM of SmackDown?

I think he's a good entertainer... I hope he doesn't get kicked out of the storyline.

I'll miss the "D'you feel me, playa?" and "Holla holla holla!" quotes :(

[gaslight]

Yeah Teddy does a real good job actually. What was behind his jump from being a referee to be being the GM?

[Jom]

He got sent over in the draft last year.

[Volkert314]

What I really would have wished for was a Submission Match between Benoit and Y2J for some title. I enjoy these two work and it's sad to see them pushed to the bottom by HHH just so Evo can gain some exposure.

Batista IMO is being treated like Orton, being pushed too fast. Orton was shoved down our throats from day One. He goes from cheating to win to beating Benoit CLEANLY to than losing the title to HHH. The same is with Batista in which he's over mainly due to the fact that people knew the turn against HHH was going to happen.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

I agree, Orton and Batista have been pushed too quickly. Same with John Cena and JBL. I know Bradshaw has been in WWE for years but as JBL, he got a title shot as soon as his new JBL character came to light. Undertaker is the only big name that stands out on the Smackdown roster.

[crossface]

i like JBL villain character, so interesting.

yeah i also think that Batista is being pushed a bit fast just like what they did to Randy Orton

Batista is a power-house! his spinebuster is awesome, its really cool how Batista does the spine buster then immediately sprung up... awesome leg-knee-muscle power.
and Batista's clothesline is the REAL clothesline from hell, he knocked-out a lot of guys last year with his clothesline... y2j(3 times), Orton(2 times), Benoit

[gaslight]

Are they real knock-outs or knock-out spots?

[crossface]

REAL knock out, not scripted, their bodies have to be taken out of the ring with assistance

[gaslight]

Haha that is awesome.

[Volkert314]

Undertaker is the only big name that stands out on the Smackdown roster.

what about Eddie, Rey or even Kurt Angle? Taker is maybe the veteran of the lockeroom, but the three mentioned above can carry a great match. Eddie is a great techinical wrestler and has shown it against Kurt who is one of the best.

Rey has a great style and can work a match given oppertunity(like on SD! against Kurt). The only problem is the WWE doesn't push the ones that many would like to see. RVD, as well, given time, can put on a 4 Star match(ie Living Dangerously vs Jerry Lynn).

In order for the WWE to get the boost in ratings they want, they have to give the fans what they want. A Barbed Wire Cage Match with JBL and Big Show isn't exactly going to draw my attention away from something else that just may be more interesting.

[jcxstargazer]

Rey Mysterio definately could be a big name if he was pushed in that direction, i remember a few years ago in WCW when he was a giant killer, he beat all the big guys like Kevin Nash, Big Poppa Pump, Bam Bam. And it was just great to see someone so small do that, even though it was scripted.

Carlito could also be a big name, he has that arrogance of the rock, yet the crowd actually like it.

[ToMsK]

I havent bothered to read all of this thread but i think the British Bulldog died of a heart attack on holiday in Canada i only know this cos i think he lived near me for a while

[Dave Version 1]

I havent bothered to read all of this thread but i think the British Bulldog died of a heart attack on holiday in Canada i only know this cos i think he lived near me for a while

This is true.

As for Carlito, I think he's brilliant. He inspired me to fight gainst spydes (chavs) by spitting apple in their faces after burning them with my harsh, harsh tongue.

I'm so not cool :upset:

[Jom]

Well, it's obvious that it's going to be Cena/Angle at No Way Out...

I still ride the Paul London bandwagon though :p

[JAStewart]

I still can't believe ****ista won. Rey should have.

[gaslight]

Maybe another Draft would liven things up a bit.

[Jom]

Maybe another Draft would liven things up a bit.

That would be awesome.

[vashts80]

Batista isn't being pushed too fast. His push has been going since late October or early November...it's now the second week of February. And he's still not in the ME yet, not officially anyway. Whereas with Orton, he was shoved down our throats in that fued with Edge, then getting the shot and destroying Benoit's reign at SummerSlam, and then having a title reign himself that bombed.

I don't believe that will happen to the Demon from the Deep (if anybody can tell me where that's from, I'll give them rep, albeit not much)...his push has been slow and deliberate, where-as Orton's was fast and rushed only to get rid of Lesnar's record for youngest World Title holder.

And hey, Big Dave with the title would be a nice change from Trips, wouldn't it?

[gaslight]

Batista used to be Leviathan, Demon From The Deep, in Ohio Valley Wrestling or one of those things.

[jcxstargazer]

Did u see Raw? Simon Dean was on fire with those one liners

...Burger King. :-)

[Volkert314]

Did u see Raw? Simon Dean was on fire with those one liners

...Burger King. :-)

I miss the Nova character. He really is an innovator of offense with his finishers. Simon Dean is funny, and it works well cause Nova can deliver on the mic, but I don't buy into it, maybe I just miss him from ECW.


As for Batista and his push, yes, he's been getting a steady push, but not over big name men. He beat Benoit, yes, but this was after Benoit was pushed so far down the ladder it didn't mean much. As a friend posted on another site, they could have built that up and than had Batista go over Chris in a 20 minute PPV match, that would have sent him up the charts. But alas, the WWE seems to forgot how to handle a push(ie Booker, RVD, Benoit, Eddy, everyone not named HHH)

[gaslight]

Holy crap.

Simon Dean is Nova from ECW?

[Jom]

:eek:

I thought it was just some guy.

[gaslight]

So did I :eek:.

Nova was awesome in ECW, why is he doing this Simon Dean schtick?

[Jom]

This is an odd question, but could anyone gmail me the actual version of Mercy Drive's "Burn In My Light" and an uncut version of "Across the Nation?"

Every single version I find is either a) looped (Orton's theme) or b) edited (RAW theme).

Thanks to anyone who could do so :)

[Volkert314]

So did I :eek:.

Nova was awesome in ECW, why is he doing this Simon Dean schtick?

No idea why, I read it somewhere and can't remember who came up with it. I know he was wanted by Jim Ross to be brought up and I think the new head of Talent gave him that gimmick.

[Zmev]

This is an odd question, but could anyone gmail me the actual version of Mercy Drive's "Burn In My Light" and an uncut version of "Across the Nation?"

Every single version I find is either a) looped (Orton's theme) or b) edited (RAW theme).

Thanks to anyone who could do so :)

I might have it, but Im not sure (the mercy divine one).

[Jom]

I might have it, but Im not sure (the mercy divine one).

Awesome.

Would it be possible to gmail it to me? I have fifty invites if you don't have an account.

[Zmev]

Whats your address? And yes I have it (a gmail account that is, but i possibly have the song also).