WWE/TNA/ROH/Sports Entertainment

[DFelon204409]

What is the competition of WWE then?

[Ghoul Hunter]

Competing to be the better athlete and wrestler.

Definition:

#

1. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
2. A particular form of this activity.

# An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
# An active pastime; recreation.

[DFelon204409]

But if the "competition" has a pre-determined outcome it's not about being a better athlete or wrestler. It's about the performance of the match, which is acting. Fixed competition is not authentic competition.

[Ganondorf]

That's stupid, that's like saying music is a sport to see who can be the better musician/sell the most CDs. WWE is not sport lol.

[Ghoul Hunter]

But if the "competition" has a pre-determined outcome it's not about being a better athlete or wrestler. It's about the performance of the match, which is acting. Fixed competition is not authentic competition.

Hence the term "sports entertainment".

[DFelon204409]

They may be athletic as a side effect but they are actors and what they are participating in is indeed sports entertainment, but never ever call it sports.

So it's settled then. "Sports" is the adjective not the noun. I'd say the noun determines placement in a forum, but whatever. I agree this thread belongs here because this is where people are going to look for it. I was merely messing around.

[Ghoul Hunter]

I knew you were pretty much trolling. You know how I am with arguing though :p

[DFelon204409]

Actually my two younger brother used to be really into WWE so I know a lot about it and have watched my fair share so I'm not a complete troll. I actually do care about it instead of just throwing out flames.

[BassVirtuoso]

I have a question. Where would other competition threads go, in here or entertainment?

For example, YuGiOh Card battling discussion.

[Kif]

VG&M since it is a card game I think.

Good Times, Great Memories finally leaked (Even though I'm certain it's on DVD now). I've been dying to see this show for months.

[Ghoul Hunter]

What's Colt up to lately?

[Kif]

Just starting out in OVW. Had a great debut, quick squash match and met up with Punk there too. I think there was a PPV on a while back. No idea how he did there.

[DFelon204409]

I have a question. Where would other competition threads go, in here or entertainment?

For example, YuGiOh Card battling discussion.

VG&M obviously. There's no athletic/physical component to card competition. It's a game not a sport. Also even if there was minimal athleticism involved, it'd fit better in VG&M because that's where people would look for it.

[Jom]

I have always construed the competition part of a fixed sport in that the performers always are striving to put on a good show. There's a lot of backstage politics in that business, so to get ahead, you have to 1-up your co-workers, in a sense. There are the spot monkeys, the technicians, and the brawlers (among others), but all of the above-average to five-star workers rarely, if ever, get stale as performers because they always implement things they hadn't previously used, and people love to see what they pull off next because they're at the upper-echelon of their craft. But if you grow stale and are just in it for the paycheck and not to wow your audience or whatever, then you're absolutely right, there is no competition whatsoever... but to those that seem to have a genuine passion for making people happy, they have to compete for a spot in the upper card by impressing the agents and bosses. It's not strict competition in the sense of one-on-one or whatever, but as a performer, you are competing against equally-qualified performers of different athletic backgrounds for a spot in the main event, and to do this, you have to work hard to perfect your craft while not letting your workrate suffer.

I doubt any of that made sense, but it does for me.

[Kif]

That's not really competition though, is it? It's just working hard. It's the same with actors and musicians. You have to work hard in the scene to stay on top. I don't think there is any competition in WWE at all. Even the mat wrestling feeling out part of matches is just ridiculously bad, but then again, WWE have their market.

[Aficionado]

Can racing be considered a sport then?

[Ghoul Hunter]

Um, of course racing is.

[Aficionado]

Do you have to be an athlete for racing? Does it really involve any physical activity.

[pikester]

VG&M since it is a card game I think.

Good Times, Great Memories finally leaked (Even though I'm certain it's on DVD now). I've been dying to see this show for months.

I'm so excited.

I have to finish watching the wrestlemania weekend shows first.

[Kif]

This website is so awesome to leech off. Always updated with Raw, ECW, Impact and SD!, and a lot of random matches and DVDs too. The only bad thing is it's all Mega Upload kinda links, but man all this material is awesome.

http://forums.sohh.com/showthread.php?t=589175&page=261

Also, apparently Joe declined a 3 year contract with TNA. I'd be very surprised if WWE didn't offer him something actually, but if not, he'll almost certainly go back to ROH, especially since they are getting more coverage with PPVs.

[Kif]

"Deuce and Domino beat Cryme Tyme. Not horrible. Cryme Tyme stole the car afterwards and are going to strip it at the Briscoe Brothers' auto shop."(411mania.com)

Hahahahaha

[encmetalhead]

that was last week...

[CityOfEvil]

that was last week...

:lol: Right

What is gonna happen at The Great American Bash btw Edge and Kane.
I think Kane will win, but by DQ. Don't know who can arrive and hit Kane, but Kane is better then Edge, but he can't loose his title yet.

[Ghoul Hunter]

I'd love to see Kane as new champ.

I'd also love Cena to lost the title to Lashley.

I'm guessing Orton will have a match there which will have Triple H returning and screwing him out of the win.

[Kif]

that was last week...
I guess that shows how much I care about SD after Raw took all of it's talent haha.

[CityOfEvil]

I'd love to see Kane as new champ.

I'd also love Cena to lost the title to Lashley.

I'm guessing Orton will have a match there which will have Triple H returning and screwing him out of the win.

I don't like you :mad: lol I hope Cena remains. I just think Cena can't lose his title if it's not at WM. He has it for 3 years so he has to lose it at WM.

As for Orton, what you said would be SO nice. :thumb:

[Ghoul Hunter]

Meh, I like Cena but not at all as champ anymore.

I'm predicting Orton to get the title this year and have Triple H feud for it and win.

Speaking of that, who else is excited as hell for Triple H to return? Hearing the first chord strike of his entrance never fails to get me excited. Mainly when I don't expect it.

[CityOfEvil]

I can't see Cena not as Champ lol.

Well, I read that when HHH will be back he's gonna have a feud with Mrrrrr! Kennedy. And I don't want Orton for Champ.

Man, Im so excited for HHH's return. I'm like you, hearing the first chord strike of his entrance never fails to get me excited :p

[FakePlasticTrees]

What happened to HHH?


I remember his return after he blew his leg out a few years ago. It was awesome. HHH is definitely oone of my favorites.

I really should watch more wwe.

[Ghoul Hunter]

It was planned from Triple H vs. Orton at Summerslam but that's recently been scrapped i've heard. I'm just guessing it's to build up Orton more.

It's gonna be great :D

EDIT@FPM: Same leg injury he had before.

[CityOfEvil]

He hurt his knee. He Pedigree Edge on the announce table and hurt. But don't know exactly what happened to his knee.

And yeah you should. More Raw cause yesterday I watched SD and damn it was boring lol

Edit : And I read like a long time ago that if he wasnt hurt he would havbe win the Royal Rumble. No proof lol.

[Ghoul Hunter]

SD and ECW get quite boring but since i'm a massive wrestling fan I still watch them, heh.

[CityOfEvil]

Lol SD debute was great with Hardy vs. MVP. After that like 3 matchs I didnt even know who they was :lol:

And "The Cutting Edge" was great. Bit funny.

[FakePlasticTrees]

I remember when Smackdown was good, back when it first premiered. Good times.


So Hunter tore his muscle again? Ouch. Did he finish the match like last time?

[CityOfEvil]

Yes he did. But left with two guys helping him.

[FakePlasticTrees]

So, exactly likes last time.



THATS why I respect him.

[CityOfEvil]

When I start watching WWE I hate him cause he was heel and I hated heel guys. But now heel or face he's one of my favorite wrestler.

[Kif]

I was the only one of my friends who cheered for Triple H when we started watching in 2000. When he beat the Rock at Wrestlemania everyone I knew was so pissed off, and I thought it was the most awesome thing ever.

[Ghoul Hunter]

I love both of them so blah

[Kif]

Chris Jericho did an excellent Q and A with The Baltimore Sun today. As usual, Jericho was very articulate and pointed in his responses to questions. Obviously, he talked about Chris Benoit, who was a very close friend of his. The most telling part of the piece was where he said that he is enjoying following the business again and telegraphed that he is ready to return, which we have talked about here on the site in the past. Shrewdly, he said that he likes both WWE and TNA, as well as Ring of Honor. He also said that if he comes back, it will be to a full time schedule, not part time. To read the Q and A, click here.

PWInsider.com

Ugh, stop teasing us Chris and just get back in the ring already!

EDIT: Here's the link. I copy-pasted it and f'd up

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/wrestling/blog/2007/07/qa_with_chris_jericho_1.html

[Ghoul Hunter]

Hahaha, yeah. Jericho's the ****ing man. At least we know he'll be back somewhere.

[Kif]

I swear if they bring back the millennium countdown when he eventually comes back I'll cry. I miss Jericho a lot.

[Ghoul Hunter]

It better be random too. In the middle of something the lights go out and

10

9

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7

6

5

4

3

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1

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kif]

Haha, I remember his debut so well. It was awesome. He'd fit in so well on Smackdown, since they usually have the more athletic types on there. Raw is pretty much just unbeatable monsters who get pinned by Cena over and over again.

[CityOfEvil]

I love both of them so blah

I never saw The Rock fight. The only time I saw him it was months ago when he talk about Hair vs Hair Match and I tought he was coming back but no.. lol

monsters who get pinned by Cena over and over again.

And that is really great! :thumb:

[BassVirtuoso]

Y2J coming back has honestly been on the top of my list ever since he left.

[Brew]

Don't worry about it - the thread will stay here. Remember the good ol' days when this was just in The Pit, even after we got the other subforums?

I remember!

This thread did quite well in The Pit considering the amount of crap that used to be in there.

[Kif]

I heard Jericho was at the July 3rd FIP show, interviewing Nigel McGuinness and Lacey. I think I'm gonna have to buy that DVD now, since I can't find anything about it on the internet. Not even on Jericho nor FIP's website.

[simplephotographinthesun]

What happened to HHH?


I remember his return after he blew his leg out a few years ago. It was awesome. HHH is definitely oone of my favorites.

I really should watch more wwe.

almost certain he tore his quad. same injury as wotan said, different leg.

[Ghoul Hunter]

I come with epic pictures.

http://logan-1.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/89/8905c4427039f18094821ebbd9592ddf6a6750cc.jpg Notice Angle in the back :lol:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c286/ChrisSa2949/Sid.jpg
http://niko.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/90/906cbaea2b21df70d53b8d78df65f2398a5bf6ca.jpg
http://img0716.paintedover.com/uploads/0716/l_1f3acbf0aa0f746dac2eb505d04c8f18.jpg

[CityOfEvil]

I can't see the first one and the last.

Hey, Friday when I watched SD they say that Cena and Lashley have to team up against Kennedy and Booker but on WWE.com they say that Lashley will face Booker for the #1 Contender to the WWE Championship. I'm confuse.

[Kif]

That HBK/Sid Vicious screenshot reminds me of when HBK sold the stunner by falling backwards. He's so good at overselling things haha.

[encmetalhead]

lashley has been confirmed as #1 contender for title

as CM PUNk for ECW and Kane for SD

my predictions

Edge then Kane/Rey next PPV
Lashley then triple threat with orton/cena which leads to a fued between lashley and orton for title
Nitro then punk at next ppv

[exodus]

I'm watching Wrestlemania 17 right now, one of the best in my opinion, TLC II, Rock vs Stone Cold, McMahon street fight :D

and since this the wrestling thread, I ****ing miss the old monday night wars, WCW was so uber pwnage.

[Kif]

The Monday Night Wars were awesome, because it meant WWE had to compete with someone, and have to pull out some monster storylines to get on top.

I don't think Lashley will win. I think they will keep Cena as champ until September, which means he'll have been champ for a whole year. Then he'll drop the title.

[exodus]

I'm so sick of Cena, still utterly shocked on why Vince is still keeping him on the top, I really hope he drops the title to Triple H when he comes back.

[CityOfEvil]

Ah c'mon Cena is a great Champ. And I hope when he drops it it will be for HHH and nobody else.

A Cena/Kennedy feud would be nice in the future. I would like it :p

[exodus]

Cena is a great performer in terms of actual wrestling, but he sucks on the mike and frankly, its been 2 years of him constantly on the main event platter, its definitely time for a HUGE change. I'm going to start watching more Smackdown now, I think Vince is actually attempting to shift the mainstream spotlight from RAW to there, now that Smackdown's got Edge, Batista, Taker, Khali, etc, heck of a lot better than RAW's line up right now.

[ChodaBoy]

Vince would not take away the spotlight from Raw for SD, no matter how good people think SD is/becoming. Its the A show, which is why celebs always show up there.

For Cena, I think it would have been great to build up a "mutual respect" tag team between him and Lashley, then just have Cena go psycho on him (turning heel)

[Kif]

Cena as a heel was awesome before. It would be pretty funny, since half of the crowd already hates him anyway.

[exodus]

A White wanksta doesn't make much of a bad guy, let alone, an entertainer, a feud I'd love to see is Edge (good) vs Triple H (bad).

[CityOfEvil]

So it seems that Cena is not on the show tonight. So Lashley/Cena won't happen. :(

I was like sure they'll win and at the end one of them will turn on the other.. another time I guess.

[ThrashMaster27]

Cena is a great performer in terms of actual wrestling, but he sucks on the mike and frankly, its been 2 years of him constantly on the main event platter, its definitely time for a HUGE change. I'm going to start watching more Smackdown now, I think Vince is actually attempting to shift the mainstream spotlight from RAW to there, now that Smackdown's got Edge, Batista, Taker, Khali, etc, heck of a lot better than RAW's line up right now.

I think it's quite the opposite when talking about Cena. He's always had good mic skills, still makes me laugh and I don't really like the guy at all. His wrestling ability is cut down to a set of about 5 moves now, which it didn't used to be... I've seen him in older matches doing spinning heel kicks and moves he never does anymore.

I know most people are aware of that before anybody gets on my back.

I don't like what they're doing with Mr Kennedy at the moment... losing to Super Crazy and then not putting up much offence against Lashley and Jeff Hardy. Bah! probably me just being a fanboy again.

[exodus]

Mr.Kennedy has never really gotten my attention, to me he's just another prime example of why the WWE is going to shits, even with Edge and Cena, there isn't anyone thats going for the top of the mountain, no legendary superstar types like a Hulk Hogan or another Rock or Stone Cold, and I know Triple H is coming back soon but I'm talking about a new generation icon in the making which the WWE doesn't have right now.

[Ganondorf]

Randy Orton, Carlito and Shelton Benjamin all COULD have been.....

[exodus]

Randy Orton, Carlito and Shelton Benjamin all COULD have been.....

But

we've yet to see another Hulkamania and I'm predicting we won't for a while.


and lol @ carlito

[BassVirtuoso]

Chris Jericho comes back and turns the wrestling world upside down.

That's what I'm saying.

[exodus]

But until then, I'll remain an ex-jerichoholic

[BassVirtuoso]

Well I dunno if you heard, but he said on Larry King he's coming back to WWE to feud with Cena.

[exodus]

Well I dunno if you heard, but he said on Larry King he's coming back to WWE to feud with Cena.

I really hope Vince has Cena turn heel cause Jericho is so much funnier as a good guy.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Mr.Kennedy has never really gotten my attention, to me he's just another prime example of why the WWE is going to shits, even with Edge and Cena, there isn't anyone thats going for the top of the mountain, no legendary superstar types like a Hulk Hogan or another Rock or Stone Cold, and I know Triple H is coming back soon but I'm talking about a new generation icon in the making which the WWE doesn't have right now.

Eh, Kennedy is the type of guy that's going to be a Triple H, Rock, etc in about 6-7 years or so.

[Kif]

Randy Orton will be. I think splitting the company into 3 different parts has made it really hard to have an icon. Edge maybe, Kennedy and CM Punk definitely will be. I can't think of any others though.

[Ghoul Hunter]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1bw2g_oversellous

Best video in history

[BassVirtuoso]

^HAHAHAHA

Oh man that last line is so true. I love how Ric Flair can still job even though he's achieved legendary status, but even while Hogan was still a big part of the company he refused to lose. Even though he's one of the worst technical wrestlers in history...I did like the movie Mr. Nanny...

[Ghoul Hunter]

Haha, I'm a huge Hogan fan but at least I realize most of his actions. That video is priceless though.

[BassVirtuoso]

I really can't tell if Sean is just trying too hard, or if he's trying to be like "Hey guys don't take him seriously he can't wrestle lol"

[Ghoul Hunter]

He's overselling to make fun of Hogan i'm thinking.

[Kif]

Most definitely. You've gotta love how he can get away with it too. It's amazing.

[Dead Star]

That video is absolutely hilarious. :lol:

[ChodaBoy]

The frustration in Hogans face is great, I hate that guy

[Kif]

The big boot at the end is perfect. Michaels falls, then gets back up and falls over again, and Hogan is just gobsmacked. God Hogan sucks.

[metallicaman8]

What's everybody thinkin' for The Great American Bash? I'm going with

Lashley>Cena
Edge>Kane
Candice>Melina
Batista>Khali

I think there's one or two other matches I'm forgetting, but meh.

[Ghoul Hunter]

You guys are fags. Hogan > Everybody.

I dunno about GAB. Great matches though.

[encmetalhead]

MVP vs Hardy
Orton vs Dusty

[CityOfEvil]

Well I dunno if you heard, but he said on Larry King he's coming back to WWE to feud with Cena.

That would be great. Hope it will happen.

For GAB.

Cena > Lashley
Batista > Khali
Edge > Kane
Hardy > MVP
Candice > Melina
Orton > Dusty

[Kif]

Cena > Lashley
Khali > Batista
Edge > Kane
Hardy > MVP
Candice > Melina
Orton > Dusty

Surprised there's no tag matches. Kind of an empty card really.

[Ghoul Hunter]

My hopes:

Cena < Lashley
Khali < Batista
Edge < Kane
Hardy > MVP
Candice < Melina
Orton = Dusty (love both)

[metallicaman8]

I kind of hope Kane wins just so he can feud with Taker when he comes back from injury.

[Kif]

My hopes:

Cena < Lashley
Khali < Batista
Edge < Kane
Hardy > MVP
Candice < Melina
Orton = Dusty (love both)
Well if we are talking about what I want to happen and not what I predict will happen:

Cena = Lashley (hate both)
Khali < Batista
Edge > Kane
Hardy > MVP
Candice < Melina
Orton > Dusty

[Ghoul Hunter]

I like both, and really like Lashley. I just want Cena to not be a champ anymore.

[exodus]

Even if Lashey wins, the poor bastards only gonna hold it to until the next pay per view.

[Kif]

Victory Road highlights:

Good parts:
- Homicide getting a huge pop
- Motor City Machine Guns owning as usual
- Intergender tag match with actual good women's wrestling

Bad parts:
- Everything else

[Ghoul Hunter]

It was one of the better PPVs i've seen lately.

[Kif]

Thinking about it, I kinda jumped the gun on that statement. Kurt's promos backstage were classic, and the main event was pretty decent surprisingly as well. Christian/Harris was decent too, although I don't really care for Harris at all.

[Ghoul Hunter]

I'm the opposite on the Harris/Cage thing.

Next PPV should be TNA: Stylized with nothing but A.J. doing funny **** and promos non-stop. He makes me laugh the whole time he's on screen :lol:

[Kif]

I love Cage and AJ together. Those 2 work so good in promos. Actually, Kurt had some really great promos during the PPV too, and Team 3D had a good one at the beginning (I loved Bubba mocking the X Division title).

[Ghoul Hunter]

Cage doesn't do it for me anymore. He's just really annoying to me.

[encmetalhead]

Triple X is back together though

[Kif]

Hell yeah! It's weird, because I remember Konnan asking behind the scenes to get Senshi in LAX, and now he's gone and Senshi is back with Triple X. I have a feeling LAX is dead soon though.

[ThrashMaster27]

It's strange looking up old things... look how unfat the Big Show looks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5dxPIriSk0&NR=1

...and this is just funny. If any of you watch Law & Order you'll recognise this guy who gets front facelocked. Look for the blood at 6:23.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP7u5Djca3o

[ChodaBoy]

SPOLIERS




It looks like Edge has torn a muscle, and will have to vacate the title.

[Kif]

SPOLIERS




It looks like Edge has torn a muscle, and will have to vacate the title.
Yup, just read that too. I swear that WHC is cursed.

[Kif]

Khali won the title. WWE is over guys, nothing else to see here.

[BassVirtuoso]

I'm watching "ECW"

It's such a disgrace. I think this is the worst idea since XFL.

[exodus]

Khali won the title. WWE is over guys, nothing else to see here.

Or it gives Batista back the title at GAB, have Triple H interfere in Batista's world title match at Summerslam and have those 2 renew their feud on Smackdown.

[Kif]

Dude, they put the title on Khali. Out of all their talent. I have lost all hope in WWE for the next few months, and I'll just wait until Edge is all healed up until I start watching again.

[Jom]

They really should have brought Kennedy back over, or put it on someone other than that doofus. I'd even be okay with them putting it on Big Dave again; he looks like he's starting to give a crap lately.

[Kif]

They really should have brought Kennedy back over, or put it on someone other than that doofus. I'd even be okay with them putting it on Big Dave again; he looks like he's starting to give a crap lately.
That's what I was hoping. Have Kennedy come back and take the title from Edge, just like Edge took his MITB contract. Would've been a cool twist.

[exodus]

Dude, they put the title on Khali. Out of all their talent. I have lost all hope in WWE for the next few months, and I'll just wait until Edge is all healed up until I start watching again.

Theres no reason for Vince not to strip it away at the GAB

[Ghoul Hunter]

Khali is great when they pump him as the big nasty mean giant and not put him in 15 minute matches.

[exodus]

Khali is great when they pump him as the big nasty mean giant and not put him in 15 minute matches.

Remember Undertaker vs Giant Gonzales at Wrestlemania 9? Now that was a great feud, Great Khali's ... :smash:

[encmetalhead]

TGK as champ is the worst move when they've been pushing Hardy and Kane(somewhat)

[simplephotographinthesun]

kane vs batista vs khali at summerslam, i predict.

[encmetalhead]

^^hasn't read SD spoilers^^

[CityOfEvil]

This is like so ridiculous. Who want a Champ that can't talk. Jeez.

I hope HHH won't go on SD for WHC Title. I want more him to win against Cena that to see him leave Raw.

I say Khali loose at GAB for Kane.

[Kif]

Triple H would never go to SD! ever, since Raw is the main event show and he has to book himself as the big star.

What I'm hoping for Summerslam is Kane and Batista somehow winning at the same time, title is stripped from everyone. What will probably happen is Khali pins Batista after a slap or something stupid.

[exodus]

This is like so ridiculous. Who want a Champ that can't talk. Jeez.

I hope HHH won't go on SD for WHC Title. I want more him to win against Cena that to see him leave Raw. .

Cena better not drop the title to Lashley....

[Kif]

Triple H's return has been confirmed for Summerslam. I wonder when Cena will be losing the title...

[Dead Star]

Triple H's return has been confirmed for Summerslam. I wonder when Cena will be losing the title...

Summerslam hopefully.

[exodus]

Summerslam hopefully.

I don't want to see Triple H feud with Lashley ....be a ****in waste of a comeback.

[BassVirtuoso]

I just want Jericho to come back.

Honestly I've been waiting for like 2 years and I can't take it anymore.

[Jom]

With all these injuries, SD! could really use him. I say that he comes back by the end of the year (SummerSlam would be amazing, but let's go with Survivor Series).

[Kif]

If he comes back, it's gotta be at the Rumble as the surprise 30th entrant.

[exodus]

If he comes back, it's gotta be at the Rumble as the surprise 30th entrant.

Highly doubt it, pretty sure Vince realizes his company is in a slump right now lacking major talent even though Chris Benoit's death drew more attention to the WWE, he knows he's gotta get his **** together quick cause the storyline's sucking balls right now, and Jericho is a big name, so if he does come back, there'll be a PPV event by itself dedicated to his return, surprise comebacks in the Royal Rumble are for second rated stars, Jericho definitely deserves bigger.

[exodus]

Speaking of comebacks, it's most likely Triple H will feud with Booker T.

[CityOfEvil]

I heard or read I dont remember that when HHH will be back he's gonna have a feud with Kennedy.

[simplephotographinthesun]

seems like he's changed his mind from orton as well

[encmetalhead]

HHH is almost like Vince >.<

[Kif]

GAB had so many disappointments. Matt Hardy/MVP really was kinda slow, as was Nitro/Punk. Melina/Candice is one of the most impressive womens matches I've seen in a long time actually.

[CityOfEvil]

Yeah I was expecting a lot more then that.

[Kif]

Orton for champ at Summerslam, Orton/Triple H feud! For god's sake don't screw this up Vince!

[BassVirtuoso]

Womens matches=hot dog time when it comes to PPV's.

I can't imagine HHH feuding with Booker T the way he is now, as King Booker. King Booker was a horrible idea I think. They need to bring back the Harlem Heat, 5 time 5 time 5 time 5 time 5 time 5 time WCW champion. When he did the Spinarooni in that one PPV, I forget which...Unforgiven maybe? I freaked out.

[Kif]

Womens matches=hot dog time when it comes to PPV's.

I can't imagine HHH feuding with Booker T the way he is now, as King Booker. King Booker was a horrible idea I think. They need to bring back the Harlem Heat, 5 time 5 time 5 time 5 time 5 time 5 time WCW champion. When he did the Spinarooni in that one PPV, I forget which...Unforgiven maybe? I freaked out.
You missed a great match then. I really like Melina's stiff style...



... :naughty:

[ChodaBoy]

I love the way Booker puts on the act of a King, and the incredibly poor wording he uses whilst putting someone down. But yeah, the gimmick has to go. It was never funny in the beggining especially hearing Sharmel screech "KING BOOKAH!" for 2/3 minutes

[Kif]

Source: PWInsider.com

The planned "Jackass invasion" storyline which would have culminated at SummerSlam with a match against Umaga has been scrapped. WWE had already started promoting the Jackass stars appearing at SummerSlam - on the PPV promotional poster featuring the Jackass crew on the beach - burried up to their necks by Umaga.

The angle was originally supposed to include all of the big Jackass stars - Johnny Knoxville, Bam Margera, Steve-O, Wee Man and the rest of them. Bam Margera suffered an injury recently and had to drop out of the match. The deal officially fell apart late last week when Johnny Knoxville pulled out.

Johnny Noxville had planned to do a few TV appearances for WWE leading up to the SummerSlam PPV. After the Benoit family tragedy happened, Knoxville and the rest of the group began distancing themselves from WWE. What started off as a several promised TV and PPV appearances soon scaled back to Jackass only working the SummerSlam PPV. Knoxville's departure lead WWE to cancel the match completely.

The Jackass were supposed to appear at the Great American Bash last weekend and do some of their stunts on Umaga, costing him to drop the Intercontinental title to Jeff Hardy. The Jackass crew was booked to be victorious over Umaga in their match at SummerSlam. Umaga will now face Jeff Hardy at SummerSlam.

Oh thank god for that. I hope Jeff can overcome the odds this time.

[simplephotographinthesun]

i hope jeff doesn't land on his neck again whilst attempting a moonsault amirite

[CityOfEvil]

Jackass on WWE would have be fun. I hope Jeff will win at SS.

I hope jeff doesn't land on his neck again whilst attempting a moonsault amirite

Yeah I didnt understand what happened cause it seem like it was not an accident. He took his time.

Oh and for the ones who watched GAB. J.R. said Twist of Fate! Twist of Fate! when it really wasn't. I can't remember what it was, but Im 100% sure it was not a Twist of Fate

[exodus]

Womens matches=hot dog time when it comes to PPV's.

I can't imagine HHH feuding with Booker T the way he is now, as King Booker. King Booker was a horrible idea I think. They need to bring back the Harlem Heat, 5 time 5 time 5 time 5 time 5 time 5 time WCW champion. When he did the Spinarooni in that one PPV, I forget which...Unforgiven maybe? I freaked out.

Is Triple H that out of shape?

[mikethecoug]

Jackass on WWE would have be fun. I hope Jeff will win at SS.



Yeah I didnt understand what happened cause it seem like it was not an accident. He took his time.

Oh and for the ones who watched GAB. J.R. said Twist of Fate! Twist of Fate! when it really wasn't. I can't remember what it was, but Im 100% sure it was not a Twist of Fate

Haahaha yeah he always does that, it was the whisper in the wind.

I remember a few months ago loads of people on here were saying 'RVD is going to TNA'.. and I said 'no he's not!'. I'm just coming to say I told you so! He's resting and if he comes back it will be with the E I'm sure.

And as far as Triple H goes, I think he'll face Booker at Summerslam (might not happen), then after the Orton/Cena match - Orton should win then trips comes out and takes him out setting up a nice feud. That would be awesome.

[BassVirtuoso]

I'm surprised most "ECW stars" stay at ECW. It must be for the money because all the true ECW fans went to TNA.

[encmetalhead]

Forzese Files: Hart Foundation's New Generation

It was one of the greatest tag teams ever and one of the greatest factions ever in the wrestling business. The Hart Foundation always stood for excellence in wrestling and that type of excellence has been lacking in the WWE for quite some time now. Factions seem to be a thing of the past even though factions are always popular when any wrestling company has one and almost everyone one makes good money as well. I think it is time for WWE to bring back another faction and also one of the greatest names in the history of wrestling, Hart.It is time for the new Hart foundation or Hart Foundation’s new generation. This very thing could be happening as we speak in the developmental territory of WWE.

We all know that the original Hart Foundation consisted of Bret “Hitman” Hart, Jim “The Anvil” Neidhart, and “The Mouth of the South” Jimmy Hart. The New Foundation was Jim Neidhart and Owen Hart, and the last incarnation was my personal favorite Bret Hart, Owen Hart, Jim Neidhart, British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith, and “Loose Cannon” Brian Pillman.Face or heel it did not matter because these guys were always popular with the wrestling fans throughout their respective careers. As much as I like that WWE is honoring the Rhodes family currently, I think Cody has great star potential, the Rhodes family is not synonymous with WWE history like the Hart family is.

Down in Florida in Steve Keirn’s Florida Championship Wrestling, the next generation of Hart’s is currently being groomed for a possible WWE run. Harry Smith, son of The British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith, Nattie Neidhart, daughter of Jim Neidhart, and Teddy Hart, son of Bret’s sister. This could be the making of an exciting new faction in WWE history if all three of these wrestlers can come close to their predicessors.The heritage and lineage is there and all have done real well for themselves on the Indy circuit but now it is time to see if all three Hart kids can shine under the bright lights of the WWE.I know there might be unfair expectations on these kids but all should be able to hold their own in the ring.

I will use an analogy between the new Hart Foundation and the N.W.O but I am by no means saying the success level will be close to the same. The New World Order was based upon surrounding the major titles in WCW.All good factions are based upon centering around titles and using force in numbers to gain and protect the belts. The new Hart Foundation could do this on a lesser scale but the premise would be the same and still be effective. Depending on which show the Foundation were to be featured on would dictate the title but it would work everywhere but ECW for the obvious reasons of lack of title belts.

I would think that with Smackdown being in such dire need of talent that it makes most sense to send them there. Yes there is no Woman’s title on Smackdown but that does not mean that Nattie could not wrestle on Raw for it and bring it temporarily to Smackdown to help freshen things up. It would be cool to see the Woman’s title being defended on a new show for awhile so the likes of Michelle McCool, and others could wrestle for it.Nattie is a very good female wrestler and would give the belt some prestige much like Trish Stratus did not so long ago.Nattie can do all the Diva stuff and still put on excellent matches in the ring and make the woman’s division respectable.

Harry Smith should be able to wrestle for the US title because of his size and abilities and make a very good and believable champion. Teddy could wrestle for the Cruiserweight title and both he and Harry could also wrestle for the tag team titles. The big difference is between the last Hart Foundation and the new one is that in the new one no one would be at the World title level just yet. Harry could achieve that someday soon but right now he would need to establish himself in the secondary title scene as does Teddy.

I know Teddy is a bit of a loose cannon and self promoter but if he can remain in line, he is also one heck of a talent. Teddy is a high flyer and will be very exciting to watch. The diversity is also going to be what will make the kids as exciting as the parents because you have a female wrestler, a high flyer and a guy who relies on strength and that is somewhat similar to the old Hart Foundation, minus the female of course. Fans of Bret Hart may really get into cheering for Teddy and this is what WWE needs to focus on with this new faction. Canada is a huge market for WWE and with Bret retired, Benoit and Owen dead, Y2J retired and Edge on the shelf again, WWE needs Canadian stars for the Canadian fans to get behind. We all know how rabid a fan base Canada has so it is worth pushing the Canadian aspect of this faction.

Bottom Line:

I know they may not be quite ready yet but if I were WWE and had this rash of injuries and thin roster I would try them and see what the new Hart Foundation can do. If nothing else most factions have done pretty well at the merchandise table and this faction may be no different.WWE needs new stars that fans can actually get behind and having the New Hart Foundation debut soon may be exactly what the fans are looking for. What would be great is for Bret to make an appearance with them the next time WWE is in Canada so that it lends instant credibility to the group. Teddy can talk on the mic so he can be the point man of the faction unless Nattie or Harry has more talent that has not been seen yet.

What could also work is for the WWE to rehire Jimmy Hart to manage the faction and make it feel like the original group. Either way I am all for reviving the Hart Foundation with the next generation of Hart family members.WWE has proven that second generation wrestlers are working nowadays, and I really like that WWE is going heavy on second generation stars, so why not continue this trend. I say it is time for the next faction in wrestling to debut, The New Hart Foundation, generation two. You have just read another chapter of the Forzese Files and as always feedback is greatly appreciated.

Jim Forzese
forzeseview@yahoo.com

1WRESTLING.COM

Down in Florida in Steve Keirn’s Florida Championship Wrestling, the next generation of Hart’s is currently being groomed for a possible WWE run. Harry Smith, son of The British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith, Nattie Neidhart, daughter of Jim Neidhart, and Teddy Hart, son of Bret’s sister.


EYEWITNESS REPORT: NEW HART FOUNDATION DEBUTS!
By: Dennis Rayburn
7/26/2007 3:20:02 PM

BIRTH OF THE NEW HART FOUNDATION AT OHIO VALLEY WRESTLING LAST NIGHT!

Internet fans of wrestling have been talking about the possibility of a new Hart Foundation for weeks.

The date, July 25th will go down as a historical date in pro wrestling as it formally saw the public birth of the new incarnation of one of wrestling's most famous (and sometimes infamous) teams, The Hart Foundation.

First in the second warm-up match of the night, the familiar stands of Bret Hart's entrance music boomed in the Davis Arena which heralded the entrance of Nattie Neidhart in Hart Foundations colors, complete with the familiar skull with wings on her skirt to the absolute delight of the crowd.

Later, the music played again with her again entering the arena with Harry Smith and Teddy Hart for a tagteam match. They were then introduced as the new Hart Foundation.
1WRESTLING.COM

TEDDY HART ALREADY RUBBING PEOPLE THE WRONG WAY IN OVW
By: Bob Ryder
7/26/2007 11:33:04 PM


Teddy Hart has only been in OVW a little over a week, but from reports we're getting he is already rubbing people the wrong way.

One source tells us that he got off to a rough start when he accepted a phone call during a production meeting on his first day in OVW. When one of the trainers asked him to end the call, our source says Hart said the call was important and he continued talking anyway.

Hart has also used injury excuses to skip training practices and does not join his co-workers in cleaning up the building or doing other chores expected of the OVW workers. Today's excuse was said to be an injured thumb.

"He's in his own little world," our source told me tonight. "He's already wearing out his welcome and has only been here a week."

The same source had high praise for Harry Smith and Nattie Neidhart. "He gets it. He seems to really want to fit in. Same holds true for Nattie. Teddy just doesn't get it, and probably never will."
1WRESTLING.COM

[BassVirtuoso]

Well so much for that idea.

[encmetalhead]

There are tentative plans to retire the WWE Cruiserweight title (hence Hornswoggle winning it, burying the title) and setting up a more serious, pushed TNA-like 'X-Division' and new title belt, with the division having a new name other than 'cruiserweights' and 'light heavyweights'.

interesting...

[simplephotographinthesun]

interesting how that will play out in competition with the US title. it might turn into a European championship type thing :/

[CityOfEvil]

And as far as Triple H goes, I think he'll face Booker at Summerslam (might not happen), then after the Orton/Cena match - Orton should win then trips comes out and takes him out setting up a nice feud. That would be awesome.

I think the samething. Something that would be nice is that HHH like appear after talking to Vince and say that the match has change and it is now a Triple Threat Match Cena/Orton/HHH, but that will not happen so.

[BassVirtuoso]

Why would they try and have an X Division? Few people in WWE can even touch the athleticism of TNA's X Division, and this is coming from a WWE fan.

[Kif]

Anyone who thought Hart Foundation 2.0 would work is just plain retarded. This is Teddy Hart we are talking about here.

As for the whole WWE/X Division thing, it could be cool I guess, especially since the X Division in TNA is going absolutely nowhere right now. Then again, the amount of big spots has been decreasing a lot over the years, so I have no idea how it could even work. WWE have banned the Shooting Star Press and 450, so who knows what other high-risk moves could be banned.

[encmetalhead]

appears Jeff Hardy was sent home and his program with Umage ended

Jeff Hardy was sent home by the promotion. We don't have any other details, but his program with Umaga was dropped.

-WrestlingObserver.com

Raw Ramblin' ...

I usually applaud WWE champion John Cena's matches, but the way Carlito was treated was disrespectful in my opinion. I know that it wasn't by Cena's choice, however it just seemed like he was told to "play with the guy until the end." It was like Carlito was a joke opponent. Also did anyone hear that it was a non-title match? I missed that if they did announce it.

Sad to see ol' Sgt. Slaughter in action. I got a real "pop" when he put the Cobra Clutch on Randy Orton, but the Sarge just doesn't belong in there with the young guys.

So do you like the Cryme Tyme Shopping Network? It was a fun segment but much too long.

It was nice to see them give Cody Rhodes a win tonight over Davari ... That segment with Santino Marella and referee Jack Doan and Umaga was good. I hope that turns into a heel referee angle. I always liked that story-line.

Mr. Kennedy beat Lashley but I don't think it hurt Lashley's image one bit. I am sure there will be revenge exacted soon!

-1WRESTLING.COM

FAST THOUGHTS

(1) Cena’s promo on Kennedy and Carlito was awesome. I don’t like when Cena tries to be “funny.” He comes off like a Rock-Ripoff. Tonight’s rant, however, was full of intensity and shoot-style truth. It came off very well.

(2) Hear that sound? It’s Santino Marella falling down the roster into the basement. He’s become a male valet. Ouch.

(3) A HHH promo has voiceover from Trips saying that he’s “The Game” and that when he comes back, “Game Over” and yada-yada-yada. But yet, the graphics all state he’s “King of Kings.” I know he’s great, but can’t he focus on one nickname at a time?

(4) Hearing Santino’s comments on the microphone was hysterical. In his accent: “Can you please, stop him please?” and “Can you please get this guy back from me? I want to talk about Maria, I don’t want to talk about this guy.” Funny, even if unintentionally so.

(5) Booker says “tele” for “television” and “Jerome” for “Jerry.” His character is SO enjoyable, and I hope his gimmick isn’t lost after his feud with HHH.

(6) Lashley seemed really shaken up at the end of his match with Kennedy. Something about the awkwardness of the ending made me think it was somewhat legit.

(7) Cryme Tyme is cute, and that’s not necessarily a good thing. When was the last time jobbers appeared on Raw? I guess there’s no other team lower than Cryme Tyme on the ladder.

(8) Two WWE Hall of Fame legends wrestling on Raw. Neat. History is always nice, even if Sgt. Slaughter looks ridiculous in the ring now.

(9) I liked seeing Carlito in the main event. Maybe a semi-feud with Cena now will elevate his status somewhat. Then, after Cena drops the belt to Orton at Summerslam, Cena can go back to a program with Carlito and Orton can defend his belt against the returning HBK, HHH, RVD or whichever combination of letters comes back first.

Feedback, questions and comments encouraged: fedor2099@yahoo.com

-1wrestling.com

[encmetalhead]

some good news for hardy fans:

Dave Meltzer is reporting that WWE sent Jeff Hardy home after missing last night's Raw taping. As previously noted, his Summerslam program with Umaga has been dropped. Seems no one wants to face Umaga at Summerslam, not 'Jackass' or Jeff Hardy.

This means that he wasn't a victim of the wellness program

[CityOfEvil]

That Seriously sucks! It would have be a really great match Hardy/Umaga.

Yesterday while watching Raw I was sure Hardy would come and beat the hell out of Umaga another time, but he didn't show up. :(

[encmetalhead]

On another forum:

On another forum, they are saying this came from PWInsider.com (possibly from their elite news)...

Even though I clearly said on my hotline today not to speculate as to why Jeff Hardy wasn't at Raw last night that didn't stop some sites from doing exactly that and "crediting" us with the "story". For the record, Hardy did not no-show last night. He gave WWE notice that he wouldn't be there.

We will report more on this story as we confirm it.


Plus someone mentioned...

Jeff was absent on Raw last night because he was working a benefit show for Kirby Mack, aka Krazy-K, his fellow Omega alum. Kirby had a cracked rib a little while back, that somehow bent and punctured his lung and collapsed it, and apparently he's going to need surgery. That's where Jeff was this week, no need for alarm on his front (on Kirby's... a bit more alarm.)

[CityOfEvil]

So that would mean that Hardy/Umaga is still on?

[encmetalhead]

maybe not...

Saw this on the same forum...

Quote:Tamran, a personal friend of the Hardys (and the rest of the NC gang) has posted this on the "TheHardyShow.com" website forums.

Ok.. this is going to end right now! It has it's own thread because enough is enough. I have been gone all day and now i'm home and I'm home with news just this very minute from Jeff.

He wants all of you to know that he sustained neck and back injuries from his fall last week on Raw. They (WWE) are giving him time off to heal!

now end of story...wish him a nice recovery and hope he feels better.

bascally that's 3 rumors; noshow, benifit, or injury

nice wrapup at 1wrestling

CONFLICTING STORIES ON JEFF HARDY ABSENCE FROM RAWBy: Bob Ryder
7/31/2007 9:44:24 PM


There are conflicting reports about Jeff Hardy's absence from last night's RAW. Hardy was in the midst of a major singles push so his absence has prompted a lot of speculation.

Dave Meltzer reports that Hardy was sent home by WWE and his feud with Umaga is being scrapped. Dave Scherer reports at PWInsider.com that WWE had advance notice from Hardy that he would not be at RAW.

Hardy's previous tour of duty in WWE ended when he refused to enter drug rehab. His stay in TNA was ended after repeated no-shows. Since returning to WWE he has seemed to be on the right track and had been put in a great spot last week on RAW.

[Kif]

Jeff can't be stupid enough to no-show when he's getting the biggest push in his wrestling career, and him saying he doesn't want to work with Umaga makes no sense since he's been working with him for the past month or so. I hope he's just being given time to heal, since that guy is suicidal for the job. If not, then I don't know what to think.

[encmetalhead]

we now getting into what seems to be real

*The Jeff Hardy situation

-His post on his website about taking time off to recover from last week's match is not true. Numerous sources have told us that he has been suspended and WWE management is very upset with his lack of maturity. They were getting very much behind him and had hoped he has taken on a permanent new approach to the business.

-Reports of him being sent home from TV are not true. He was taken off of the TV show sometime in the middle of last week, which forced Creative's hand and made them rebook Umaga. Word is Umaga wasn't booked to turn face but it just turned out that way since a lot of the fans don't like Santino Marella. Creative heard the pop for Umaga and at least know that they can turn him if they choose to.

-Hardy is not released at this time. He is still a member of the company but don't expect to see him for at least 30 days, which means he is out for at least SummerSlam.

-PWInsider.com

and...

There was a report on the Internet that Teddy Hart was rubbing people the wrong way in OVW already. I was told this week by one source that he was actually on his best behavior, and another source in the company said that any heat he had isn't "bad heat" (meaning, no one in management is upset with him), but rather jealousy by the other guys because he's a Hart, has a great body (he's jakked to the gills), and is an amazing athlete.

-- F4W Newsletter

[Kif]

I'll believe that world peace is a real option before I believe people hate Teddy Hart because of his "jakked body".

As for Jeff, I'd have thought he would have learned more over the years. Not many people get second chances with the WWE, so I hope he gets his head in gear.

[encmetalhead]

well i don't think any new info about hardy will come out before i get off but i'll drop this bit on info

Bobby Lashley may be out the rest of the year. He injured his rotator cuff in March and was told at the time that he would probably be able to rehab it and be OK. I believe this past weekend he screwed it up again, so at Raw Monday the decision was made to put Mr. Kennedy over him clean after destroying his shoulder in a match.

The feeling at TV was that this was bad and he'll probably need surgery, which would put him out of action likely until 2008. We don't know for certain, though, as he was scheduled to meet with Dr. James Andrews in Birmingham on Wednesday (day after we went to press) for a full evaluation. For those wondering, I would not classify this as a steroid injury. Plenty of athletes who have never taken steroids, including many gymnasts and wrestlers, have torn their rotator cuff.

credit: F4W Newsletter

Former ECW Champion Bobby Lashley will undergo arthroscopic surgery on his damaged left shoulder Tuesday in Birmingham, Ala., WWE.com has learned.

WWE physician Dr. Ferdinand Rios told WWE.com that the Dominator was evaluated by Dr. Jeffery Dugas, an associate of noted orthopaedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews’, today at the Alabama Sports Medicine & Orthopaedic Center in Birmingham.

The rehab time for arthroscopic surgery is usually 6 to 8 weeks, according to Rios. But the former Army sergeant could be out of action for six months if there’s more severe damage, requiring extensive reconstruction of the shoulder.

“We won’t know until [the procedure] happens,” Rios said.

SURGERY FOR LASHLEY
By: Bob Ryder
8/1/2007 4:08:58 PM

Bobby Lashley is scheduled for what WWE.com is calling an "arthoscopic evaluation" next Tuesday in Birmingham. The surgery will determine the extent of the injury to Lashley's left shoulder. The severity won't be known until the doctors are able to take a look at the damage. If it's just a problem with cartilage or something easy to repair, the doctors will do that during the evaluation. If the damage is determined to be more serious, they will have to open the shoulder up to make the repairs.

Depending on the severity of the injury, Lashley could be out of action as short as six to eight weeks or as long as six months.
-http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29529

i think i've become the news guy for this thread lol

[simplephotographinthesun]

with a 2.5 RAW rating, HHH's return is probably the biggest event of the year for the WWE.

[encmetalhead]

maybe not, haven't you noticed that it's been falling ever since the beniot tragedy?

[encmetalhead]

NOTES FROM BOB: LACK OF STAR POWER CATCHING UP WITH WWE
By: Bob Ryder
8/2/2007 8:40:43 AM


In the aftermath of the shocking 2.5 rating for RAW this week, people are looking at where to assign blame. Is it the Benoit tragedy? The steroid scandal? Pulling the McMahon storyline? The congressional letter? It's probably a little bit of all of that, but the most important factor is that the lack of star power available to WWE right now has finally caught up with them.

The list of injuries to top talent has been staggering, and reminds me of a similar run of injuries in the final days of WCW. At various points in the last 18 months of WCW it seemed like the entire roster was on the injured list. Sting, Goldberg, Bret Hart, Jeff Jarrett, Scott Steiner, Scott Hall, Sid Vicious, Fit Finlay...all went down with injuries. I'm sure I'm missing somebody along the way, but those injuries made it almost impossible for WCW to turn things around and forced almost constant changes in storylines.

Look at what's happened to WWE. The talent roster had already been spread thin by the continuation of the "brand split" and injuries to key talent like Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Edge, Mr. Kennedy, Bobby Lashley, Triple H, Rey Mysterio, Gregory Helms, and others has taken a lot of key players out of the mix at various times the past few months. When you add people to that list who missed time due to wellness program or disciplinary reasons, and WWE has lost top names like Jeff Hardy and Randy Orton at various times.

When a roster is as decimated as WWE's has become, it puts added pressure the creative team to find ways to deliver a top notch program without the star-power they normally have in their arsenal. It's not an easy thing to do, as was demonstrated on Monday night. The show included Sgt Slaughter and Jerry Lawler in key matches, and included a match with Cody Rhodes. Rhodes has tremendous upside, but doesn't yet have the star-power needed to boost ratings. Slaughter and Lawler have had that star-power in the past. The distant past. Other than John Cena, Randy Orton and Umaga, the show was sorely lacking in the kind of top tier talent that RAW has become known for.

There was a three match stretch on RAW that sums up how bad things are right now. The Jerry Lawler vs King Booker, Cryme Tyme vs Mason & Gatson, and Sgt Slaughter vs Randy Orton matches all came during a stretch of the program where RAW normally builds to the final segment climax. Viewers who might have tuned in and out during the program normally tune back in during that part of the show to see what's leading up to the final match of the show. This time, there wasn't much going on that gave people a reason to stick around. The Cryme Tyme segment was an extended squash that took entirely too long, and the other two matches involved Hall of Famers who are seldom seen in tv matches these days. Their nostalgic value didn't translate to ratings star-power.

Help would appear to be on the way with the pending return of Triple H. He has proven to be fragile in the past, and WWE needs to be careful about putting him in a key spot that could worsen the existing problem if he goes back down to another injury.

I believe the solution is to get some heels hot. The show is lacking in that area more than it's lacking in star-power. John Cena has had the belt forever, and a strong heel needs to take it from him to set up a babyface chase for the belt that the crowd can get behind. Mr. Kennedy or Randy Orton would seem to be the best bets, and which ever one of them doesn't win the belt from Cena should be given another strong heel spot on the show. Umaga should stay heel, but has had problems with storyline changes the last few weeks. WWE should go back and listen to the reaction when he was mixing it up with a strong babyface (Jeff Hardy) before they decide that the reaction he got this week against Morella should lead to a face turn.

WWE has massive problems, but shouldn't panic. They still have plenty of tools to work with and giving a major heel push to Kennedy, Orton, and Umaga could be the answer to their ratings problem.

just found this...

[Jom]

I don't like Umaga as a face, and the E shouldn't decipher the cheers Umaga received because they love Umaga (personally, I really like the character and the athlete), but because they wanted that whiny Santino Marella to get his *** kicked to oblivion. The fans love to see a wuss like that get his **** wrecked; just listen to the crowd chant "One more time!" when Umaga was contemplating a second Samoan spike, haha. But Umaga needs to stay as a heel.

[CityOfEvil]

I like Santino a lot more than Umaga. I hate Umaga. It's not even fun to watch him. He's the guy who never lost except against guys like Cena or Lashley and when he wins it takes 3 minutes. I don't know why Umaga and Santino have a feud together.

[Kif]

I don't mind Umaga. His finisher is gay as hell, but he has some great moves. The only problem is he hasn't really had a good feud. It's just been squash matches and a short stint with Cena.

[CityOfEvil]

He should have had a feud with Khali when he was on Raw. That would have be great for both.

[encmetalhead]

hardy umaga sounded good but hardy screwed that up

[simplephotographinthesun]

i can never get past that 3 minute warning or whatever umaga was involved in with rosie about 5 years ago (bischoff's henchmen). at this point, they might as well try giving umaga a face push or at least a tryout because fresh ideas are few and far between for the RAW crew right now.

[Kif]

Yeah, Hardy screwed up that feud when he almost killed himself and snapped his neck. God, selfish mother****er.

Oh, in ROH fans following the whole Project 161 viral ads? It's freaking awesome. I swear it has to do with Jimmy Jacobs.

[encmetalhead]

no he screwed up the fued when he got suspended for atleast 30 days...

[Kif]

He didn't get suspended though. If he had been suspended, it would have been on WWE.com by now.

[encmetalhead]

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15064887&postcount=9155

^read the first quote^

and you were even the first to reply with

As for Jeff, I'd have thought he would have learned more over the years. Not many people get second chances with the WWE, so I hope he gets his head in gear.

[Kif]

I have read the quote. I've read dozens of quotes from wrestling news sites, forums and even Jeff's own website. I'm just saying that since we can't get a real answer out of them, I'm just going to wait it out until WWE.com says something about. They noted when Randy Orton was suspended, why should it be different with Jeff?

[DFelon204409]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1bw2g_oversellous

[pikester]

That gets better every time I watch it.

[encmetalhead]

As reported earlier, Jeff Hardy was suspended for 30 days for a company policy violation. Before, he would have simply been docked his pay and kept appearing on television, but that's not the case anymore as there has been a change to the way WWE deals with suspensions.

Now if you get suspended, you get completely taken off of television and pay-per-views, not to mention that WWE changes booking plans. That was the original idea until McMahon got tired of having to change plans on the fly because of suspensions. Last summer, a lot of The Great American Bash PPV has to be redone at the last minute because several wrestlers were unable to compete due to elevated enzymes. McMahon then decided that people would be docked in pay and kept off of house shows, but they would continue to work their programs on TV.

Recent publicity in the wake of the Benoit tragedy has made the policy rethought out because it could be an embarrassment to the company with the possibility of Congress hearings.

Credit: PWMania

take that and smoke it it kif

[Kif]

Fair enough, so what did he do? Yeah, the article neglected that bit of info. I'm still calling bs.

[encmetalhead]

well seeing as his program with Umage has ended and he's off TV, you're not really able to call BS

[simplephotographinthesun]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1bw2g_oversellous

my my, HBK moves around and flails like he's 25 again :p

[Kif]

well seeing as his program with Umage has ended and he's off TV, you're not really able to call BS
Well he's either suspended or resting, and since we have no actual reason for why he would be suspended, I kinda do have a reason to call BS.

[encmetalhead]

If he's injuried WWE would've posted it and i don't think he would just rest when he was gettign a major singles push...

[encmetalhead]

Here is basically the entire Vince McMahon is Dead storyline as it was originally conceived. I should note that there were other versions of this story and it would probably have changed many times prior to completion because it was very long-term and things like injuries and such always do a number on plans. Plus, this version would have required Vince to be out of the picture for a long, long time, and after about a week there was already talk of how to bring him back to TV.

Anyway, the idea was that Vince got in the limo and supposedly blew up. We saw the entire storyline leading up to the big three-hour Raw which ended up being the ill-fated Chris Benoit tribute show. The plan was for that entire show to be built around an investigation, and at the end, Linda McMahon was going to be arrested. It would turn out, though, that she was innocent. In the end, nobody would be able to solve the mystery, so it would be determined that the case was closed and it was time to move on. This would lead to a special Raw where they'd air the reading of Vince's will. The reading would be done by Vince himself, on video, supposedly filmed before he blew up.

Vince would then announce that he was leaving everything to his illegitimate son, Mr. Kennedy. This would be the giant revelation. This would also lead to the revelation that HHH was married to Steph and was Vince's son-in-law, and thus we'd get a long Hunter vs. Kennedy program where Hunter, the knight on the white horse, would be fighting to bring Camelot back to the McMahon Family.

When the time was right, Vince would return, they'd reveal that he faked his death, and that he and Kennedy were in on the whole thing together because Vince felt Kennedy was the only one in the family with that real ruthless aggression. This would also lead to a program with Vince vs. Shane in some form. I was told last week that the plan for Raw was to basically start up the Vince is Dead storyline where it left off, though I'm not sure how much of the original story they still plan on going with.

I would strongly presume that Kennedy is still playing the illegitimate son role.

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that would had been good, but they started too slow...

[CityOfEvil]

Yeah that would have been nice.

I think it will happen but in a different way, last Monday Coachman told Vince he had another son so.

[Kif]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/Batista112/ortonnomercy.jpg

If that's legit, it looks pretty cool I think. Randy for champ ffs!

[encmetalhead]

I see a return of Hell in a Cell just because Randy looks psycho

[simplephotographinthesun]

to all regular posters in this thread:

your thoughts on pacman jones entering the TNA sphere?

[ChodaBoy]

One word: Stupid

[encmetalhead]

Better word: Retardedmoronicness

[Kif]

TNA is just a joke at the moment.

[Frankie]

whats up with first Joe owning all titles then Angle. Thats quite the bad move to be honest.

[ChodaBoy]

Its just WCW all over again, except WCW was actually good in the first place.

[apple pie]

Crush has died

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/7119468?MSNHPHMA

[Frankie]

Damn thats sad I remember him too :(

And I think TNA started well but character like raven have ruined. How many times has this guy had minions ? It's getting beyond a joke. And their biggest attraction the X division they don't have a wrestler in that division as champion.

And what the hell have they done to AJ Styles ?!

[Kif]

OK, I dig AJ as the heel bitch. He does a great job of it, but when he's wrestling, he gets turned into a spot monkey. I turned off Hard Justice after VKM/LAX, since I just couldn't take any more.

[Frankie]

Speaking of LAX I'm glad Homicide is in TNA I've like him since his ROH days.

[Kif]

LAX are still my favourite team in TNA, although MCMG are edging them out (Or at least they would if they won any matches).

Speaking of ROH, you following this Project 161 business?

[Frankie]

I haven't seen an ROH show in months so I can't say I know about the Project 161.

Care to enlighten me ?

[Kif]

That's the thing, no one knows what it is. A while back some flyers were in the bathroom for a ROH show with Project 161 propaganda. Project 161 was written on the stalls and mirrors. Then this website shows up (If you hover over the ROH logo, there's a picture, but again no one knows who it is).

http://www.project161.com/
http://projectonesixone.blogspot.com/

Then the ROH message boards were spammed by like 3 people all claiming to be part of this group, and the boards were taken down. Gabe threatened legal action against them. Recently at Death Before Dishonor V, the lights went out during a match (Which Project 161 said they would do on the blog), and some guy in a Project 161 shirt got thrown out for shouting crap on a megaphone the next night. Project 161 shirts were being sold outside bootleg style too.

No one knows who it is, but considering ROH's 161st show is coming up on September, people think it will get answered there. There's some talk it's to do with Jimmy Rave, since he handed in his notice in August to ROH, and P161 talk about abused people and crap. I dunno what to think of it, but it's very original to say the least. It's like this viral ad scheme for a new faction I think. Either way, it's pretty awesome.

[BassVirtuoso]

I think Orton is finally going to take the title from Cena. I've always been an Orton fan, especially since he RKO'd Hogan onto the hood of his car. One of the best moments of my life.

[Frankie]

I must say thats a pretty good angle to pursue and like you said original. And this seems like the sorta thing Rave would be involved in.

[Kif]

It's really brought a lot of mystery into it. ROH has been boring me a little lately, since I'm not a big Morishima fan. But this has me excited.

As for WWE, I don't think Orton will be taking the title yet. I think they will milk this feud a lot, since people seem to be into it (Hence the No Mercy poster). Orton might have another short run as champ I think.

[encmetalhead]

SNME plus comments from someone who was there
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From PWInsider.com
Quote:Saturday Night's Main Event:

SNME opens with Vince backstage with Coach. Coach says with all the info he was given he will match up the dates and locations of Vince's trysts to the Superstars. Vince says he forgot about one with a black woman in Kansas City in the 70's. Coachman says he's adopted and from Kansas City. Vince stares at him and says it's going to be a long night.

It's announced that MVP has pulled out o his boxing match. It's Matt Hardy vs. Evander Holyfield.

Batista and Kane vs. Finlay and Great Khali. The announcers are JBL, Michael Cole and Jim Ross. Kane's ribs are taped Batista hits the Batista bomb on Finlay for pin.

Cena vs. Carlito later, billed as the Big Apple Showdown.

Backstage, MVP says the doctor won't let him box so he got the next best thing. Evander Holyfield asks him how his ticker is. MVP says he was scared for a minute but he's better than anyone else so he's already bounced back. He pals around with Holyfield.

John Cena vs. Carlito. The crowd chanted "Let's go Mets/Let's go Yankees". Cena wins via submission with the STFU. Randy Orton attacked him immediately and threw him outside, then into the stairs. Crowd chanted "Randy." Orton got a chair from under the ring. He hit an RKO on the floor into the chair on Cena. Cena sold it like he was dead. Crowd chanted for Orton while women chanted "sucks" in response. Match was whatever. Angle was very good. They showed a young boy looking sad over Cena but once he realized the camera was on him, he started mugging for it. Cena took a long time leaving, holding his jaw.

Michael Buffer comes out for the boxing match. Divas are the ring girls.

Backstage, Todd Grisham asks Orton what he was doing. Orton said he sent a loud and clear message to Cena as to what he's going to get at Summerslam. He promises to win the title.

Hardy has 2 cornermen with him. MVP comes out with an entourage. Evander has his own Titantron video. MVP makes Buffer introduce him first, right down to "straight up ballin'" The crowd did the "What" chant during the referee's instructions!

Hardy is wearing a boxing helmet.. Holyield isn't. MVP keeps getting on the apron to give him instructions. Holyfield knocks Hardy down in round one. End of round

MVP argues with Holyfield's trainer between rounds. Round two starts and Hardy's acting half out of it. Holyfield tells the ref to check him. MVP gets in the ring and tells him to keep beating up Hardy. Holyfield turns his back and MVP grabs him. Holyfield knocks out MVP. The ref rings the bell. Holyfield left immediately. Hardy left. MVP was left on the mat being checked on by his entourage. No announced decision.

CM Punk & Boogeyman vs. John Morrison & Big Daddy V. Tazz joined the announcers for the match. Punk got a big reaction. Good when Punk and Morrison were in. Punk surprised Morrison with a small package for another clean win.

Vince McMahon comes to the ring with Jonathan Coachman. Coach gives a long monologue about Vince who cuts him off and tells him to get on with it. Coachman says he's going to help Vince with the child. He says Vince once had a tryst in Kentucky so he is certain this could be his child...and out comes Eugene.

Eugene says that he became a wrestling fan because his Mom told him she met Vince. He says his Uncle Eric told him he nailed his Mom and that's why he tried to put Vince out of business. He tells Vince, "I love you Dad". Vince said he used protection and tells Eugene to get out of the ring.

Coachman then tells of a story of Vince in a Port Authority bathroom so his son could be...Balls Mahoney. Vince says Balls is not his son. Mahoney tells him to think about it and to embrace it. He says Vince has balls. Vince says "I have no balls". The crowd chants "Vince has no balls". He yells at Balls to leave.

Coachman tells Vince of the Wrestlemania 2 afterparty in LA and that this person could be his daughter. Out comes Melina. Vince says that Melina isn't her daughter and cannot be. Coachman asks why not and Vince whispers something. Coach says that's disgusting. Vince tells Melina that the meeting that they had on July 4th was totally harmless. She says that Vince better hope so because if she's his daughter, she will take him for everything she owns. She walks out.

Vince demands to know who his child is. Long dramatic pause. Glass breaks and out comes Steve Austin.

Austin says Vince could be his dad and Vince says there's no chance in hell. Austin says they missed out on so many good things in life...playing catch, water skiing, building a go-cart, the birds and the bees, drinking beer. Crowd is going "what, what, what".

Austin says it would be easy to stun Vince but the big problem is Vince's "overactive grapefruits" so he wants to help him out. He kicks Vince low and low blows him. Austin stuns Coachman and has a beer bash.

After they go off the air, Austin asks the crowd if they want to see him drink a beer with Vince. He says it is his first time in the Garden in years. Vince takes it and Austin hits the stunner. Austin does a long celebration. He gives Jim Ross a beer and takes his cowboy hat.

Vince and Coach get up. Austin says the only way he's not going to kick their *** is if they sing. Vince asks Coach if he can sing harmony. They badly sing "I Left My Heart in San Francisco". Austin knocked their heads together. He helps Coach up then hits another stunner.

Comments from someone who was at taping
Michael Buffer saying that MVP was "straight up ballin'" was priceless. I loved that.

I also loved how one person near me sold himself on Austin being the 4th possible kid while we waited the person to come out. Vince and Coach are in the ring waiting for 4th possible child and the person near me goes...

"Wouldn't it be funny if it was Austin? Haha...BRING BACK AUSTIN!!! What are they waiting for?...just bring the person out...it's not like it's going to be Austin. Wait...it could be Austin... Man, that'd be awesome if Austin came out right now. I hope it's Austin! Yeah, it's gotta be Austin...who else could it be?! Dude, Austin is DEFINITELY coming out right..."

*Stone Cold's music hits*

...everyone freaks out.

[BassVirtuoso]

It's really brought a lot of mystery into it. ROH has been boring me a little lately, since I'm not a big Morishima fan. But this has me excited.

As for WWE, I don't think Orton will be taking the title yet. I think they will milk this feud a lot, since people seem to be into it (Hence the No Mercy poster). Orton might have another short run as champ I think.

Cena is such a ridiculous choice to have such a long title run. I still don't think that stupid wanksta gimmick allows him to transcend the boundaries like Stone Cold and The Rock could.

[Kif]

Well Cena is going to drop so low when he drops the title, I'd be willing to bet he'd be on Heat within a year. I don't mind Cena, since he has been getting better. But still, I agree that he is a stupid choice to have such a long title run.

[ChodaBoy]

He wouldnt drop like that, he's a face now, so the kids like him while the smarks hate him. A turn would just reverse the favouritism, providing he is kept in a good storyline

[encmetalhead]

plans are for randy to win the belt adn then have Cena chase the belt....

[Kif]

He wouldnt drop like that, he's a face now, so the kids like him while the smarks hate him. A turn would just reverse the favouritism, providing he is kept in a good storyline
That belt is the only reason he's stayed so liked though. What could he do once he loses the title that he hasn't already done? I'll be very amazed if he sticks around once he loses the title.

[simplephotographinthesun]

i wouldn't be surprised if he turns down the line when HBK and lashley return from injuries

bigtime raw heels:
booker t
kennedy
orton

bigtime faces:
HHH
cena
HBK (upon return)
lashley

[Kif]

Oooooh, Triple H won't stay face. I mean, he doesn't really have a choice, since everyone loves him. But I think most people love him when he's a heel anyway. I know I do. I didn't care when he had the white ring gear and was being good and everything. But yeah, if Cena turns, that would be pretty good I guess.

[Frankie]

Triple H only works as a heel IMO. Unless he's in DX. Bu yeah I love him as heeel

[encmetalhead]

Lener talking with TNA ( http://www.thescoreboards.com/forums/wrestling-spoilers/42995-big-name-talking-tna-new-post.html )

and

TNA releases 5 ( http://www.thescoreboards.com/forums/wrestling/43027-tna-releases-five-superstars.html )

[Kif]

Lesner won't go to TNA, and the only release I care about there is Jerry Lynn (Although he did ask for it himself and didn't get fired).

TNA is just unsalvagable at the moment. There's a huge boycott going on apparently starting with last night's episode. I download my episodes anyway, but I hope TNA's ratings drop and they finally realize their product is broke.

[Understanding In a Crash]

I watch TNA and WWE and I think they are both going down the tubes to be honest. WWE just doesn't do it for me anymore and as the old guys from when WWE was WWF are still good they are getting old. The women wrestling has improved though IMO from being a joke to only somewhat of a joke. Guys like John Cena and Randy Orton just don't compare to the guys they used to have on there regular rotation.

TNA I haven't watched in awhile but I do remember them having some good matches but alot of unorganization within there shows. Anyone who says TNA is WCW is such a joke. WCW was actually better then WWF for along time if I remember correctly.

[ChodaBoy]

The comparison of the 2 is normally after WCW went on a decline, and then it is true. I very rarely watch TNA, but when I do, everything about it feels like a WCW show

[Kif]

So 2 of my favourite high-flyers, Matt Sydal and Jack Evans, have apparently signed development deals with WWE. Jack is getting try-out matches currently, and I think Matt will go to a smaller company like OVW. This news as well as Hart Foundation 2.0 may be on Smackdown in the next few months has made me a lot fonder of WWE.

Oh yeah, ROH fans; Project 161 site has changed to a picture of a noose. Kinda weird, still gonna have to wait to see what it all means :angry:

[simplephotographinthesun]

Triple H only works as a heel IMO. Unless he's in DX. Bu yeah I love him as heeel

i'm sure he'll become world champ by december, then do a program with lashley, cena, orton, and kennedy by survivor series 2008 :p

[CityOfEvil]

Something like that would be nice. I hope HHH gets the title from Cena and not from Orton.

Anyone watched SNME? The RKO Orton did to Cena on the chair was awesome I have to admit it.

[Kif]

I might watch it if it's on Youtube.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Hey guys, I'm back.

Orton RKOing Cena through the car was a total HOLY****INGSHITTHATWASAWESOME moment. Looks like my fave is going to get the title :D

[Frankie]

Project 161 has potential to be a good story line but it all depends whose involved with it. IMO ROH wasn't the same after Chris Daniels, AJ and Samoa Joe left. I'm not all that fond of Morishima either so.

[encmetalhead]

plans are for booker and HHH to fued till UNforgiven so i'm seeing a Booker win at SS and a match at UNforgiven where the loser has to stop calling himself king which would end the king booker gimmick

[Frankie]

That king booker thing has run well beyond it's life span.

[Understanding In a Crash]

That king booker thing has run well beyond it's life span.

I haven't watched his matches in awhile but his whole thing with the dreads is pretty rediculous as well. Does he still have the same moves? That Harlem Hangover move was sick when he was in WCW...

[Kif]

Project 161 has potential to be a good story line but it all depends whose involved with it. IMO ROH wasn't the same after Chris Daniels, AJ and Samoa Joe left. I'm not all that fond of Morishima either so.
Morishima sucks hard. I don't see the appeal of him really. I'm annoyed since he's beat a lot of people I'd like to see the belt on (Nigel, Albright, Claudio, Aries). If Danielson beats him for it eventually, I'll be a little pissed.

I think Project 161 will make the people involved in it though. A faction working at a promotion they are trying to take down? It worked for the NWO at least. I'm just sick of waiting to see what happens next.

[Frankie]

Ahhh Brian Danileson not even an personality transplant could save that lad. Aries I would love to see win it always liked him. And yeah it's likely that it will garner alot more followers and 'disillusioned' ROH'ers as time goes on.

It's a bit it F***ed up that in their 5 years history they've only had 9 champions.

[Kif]

Well ROH doesn't use the belt to get people over like certain other companies. I still kinda wish they hadn't unified the World and Pure titles though. Seems a little empty now. I just wanted the title on Nigel or Claudio, especially after Claudio won the tournament.

[Frankie]

I couldn't get mt head round unification either.

[encmetalhead]

Undertaker will be facing a slew of large opponents when he returns to the ring this fall.

He's scheduled to make his return at the Unforgiven ppv. He will be facing Mark Henry. Taker will probably be the one to put Henry out of action for good in the storylines as Henry is likely finishing up with WWE when his contract expires in a few weeks. http://www.thescoreboards.com/forums/images/smilies/woot.gifhttp://www.thescoreboards.com/forums/images/smilies/woot.gifhttp://www.thescoreboards.com/forums/images/smilies/woot.gifhttp://www.thescoreboards.com/forums/images/smilies/woot.gif

In a return feud from about 12 years ago, Undertaker will be facing Big Daddy V. Plans have been made to build Big Daddy up as a monster in ECW, then move him to smackdown in the fall to feud with the top babyface talent- including the Undertaker.

Taker is also scheduled to feud with The Great Khali again.

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NO MORE HENRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[simplephotographinthesun]

the sexual chocolate era of mark henry was his prime. that was about 9 years ago. happy trails, mark! :wave:

[BassVirtuoso]

Great, another Taker/Khali feud. That hasn't gotten old at all...

[encmetalhead]

atleast that will give taker the title

[encmetalhead]

Credit: Bryan Alvarez of F4WOnline.com

As of this week, the current storyline plan is for Mr. Kennedy to be Mr. McMahon's illegitimate son. It is expected that there will be hints slowly dropped on RAW for several weeks until a three-hour episode in October where Kennedy will be revealed as the son. From there, Shane and Stephanie would get involved in the storyline with Shane facing Kennedy in a match around the Royal Rumble. Stephanie would be a babyface in this situation and HHH would come to her aid, revealing that he is Vince's son-in-law. This would set the stage for a HHH vs. Mr. Kennedy match for Wrestlemania 24 with the entire McMahon family involved. Bonnie Hammer of the USA network is said to be a big fan of this storyline. Plans could very well change, but as mentioned before, this is the current direction that WWE is planning to take with the McMahon storyline.

SD spoilers are @ http://www.thescoreboards.com/forums/wrestling-spoilers/43292-8-24-smackdown-spoilers.html#post385765

[BassVirtuoso]

HHH would come to her aid, revealing that he is Vince's son-in-law.

Is this really necessary. I mean they had that kayfabe divorce like 2 years ago, but no one remembers that. Everyone in the world knows this.

[encmetalhead]

i think they're doing it to tune in the new fans that he's apart of the family

[Kif]

Stephanie can't pull off babyface. Everyone hates her, and with good reason too.

[Understanding In a Crash]

Stephanie can't pull off babyface. Everyone hates her, and with good reason too.

is she still beautiful? I'll like her :thumb:

[encmetalhead]

More on HHH/Kennedy/Vince's Son
The plan is still for Ken Kennedy to be the illegitimate son of Vince. They do, however, have a contingency plan if it ends up bombing, that being that Kennedy forged the papers and lab results and is basically a CON ARTIST trying to screw his way into a billionaire family.
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