WWE/TNA/ROH/Sports Entertainment

[ChodaBoy]

Benoit to win, and fued with Punk

[CityOfEvil]

Who do you guys think made Vince's limo exploded?

When I watched I said it was a suicide, you can see it in his face. But they can't say it's a suicide in the storyline so.

I don't think it's Cena but that would be funny.

[encmetalhead]

- Trump made lashey do it
- Coach wanted to be in control of Raw
- Austin
- Shane so he can run the company
- Cole (this is my joke choice)
- one of the ECW orignals
- Bret Heart (the ppv where the screwjob happened is in the same city this year...)

[Kif]

It was Rikishi.

[encmetalhead]

it was the divas!

[simplephotographinthesun]

ted turner

:thumb:

[ChodaBoy]

Bischoff. The next WCW PPV was to be called "The Big Bang", Vince went out with one...

[simplephotographinthesun]

Bischoff. The next WCW PPV was to be called "The Big Bang", Vince went out with one...

conspiracy :eek: !

[CityOfEvil]

Well, we'll know at Vengeance who it was, but I'm almost sure he won't be there. Im sure it's like, Stephanie Mcmahons who did that. Or the entire family. Or Stone Cold :p

[ChodaBoy]

Ok I'm too lazy to look through, but has anyone mentioned DX? It seems the most likely since HHH was to return around these next few weeks anyway

[Ghoul Hunter]

DX won't be around anytime soon.

[Kif]

I think it's safe to say DX is dead. Triple H wants to push for Kennedy as a face when he returns, which probably means he'll be winning the title if he has any say in it.

[CityOfEvil]

HHH will return soon? Now I'm excited lol.

I can't wait to see him back. Hope he'll always be on Raw.

[Ghoul Hunter]

I think it's safe to say DX is dead. Triple H wants to push for Kennedy as a face when he returns, which probably means he'll be winning the title if he has any say in it.

Not gonna happen. That would only go if Kennedy staid on Smackdown. On Raw HHH wants him a heel because there's a big lack of them on Raw.

[Kif]

Jesus christ, can TNA do anything right? Lethal, who is very clearly over with the fans, holds the X-Division title for all of 4 days before Joe wins it off him. It couldn't be more blatant that they want to copy this whole Vengeance: Night Of Champions thing.

[Ghoul Hunter]

As much as I love Lethal, Joe winning was pretty awesome and will make that match more interesting.

[encmetalhead]

"Apparently Triple H feels that there is not enough heels on the RAW brand, which is the reason Mr. Kennedy was drafted to RAW. This move indicates that Kennedy will not be returning to chase Edge for the World Title like he was originally supposed to, but confirms that he will be returning to RAW as a heel and eventually be feuding with Triple H in the future."

PWI at prowrestling.com

WM 24 SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From PWInsider via another board via ANOTHER board

"Ric Flair has been telling many people backstage that Wrestlemania 24 will be his official retirement match and the end of his in ring career as a performer. The move to Smackdown makes it easier to showcase a Flair retirement storyline when the time comes. "
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"Many in WWE feel that Johnny Nitro is capable of being a main event star which is one of the reasons he was moved to the ECW brand. They wanted to see if he can actually handle the pressure before putting him on RAW or SmackDown as a next “Orton-like” figure."

WO at prowrestling.com

[Kif]

As much as I love Lethal, Joe winning was pretty awesome and will make that match more interesting.
Joe winning the X Title is just insulting to both him and Lethal. It just came out of nowhere and means absolutely nothing.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Joe's been pissed the last few months when it comes to the title picture. He proved that he could dominate Sabin and Lethal and that Angle is next.

[Kif]

But Sabin and Lethal both don't even compare to Angle. Joe dominated everyone in the X Division, and only in the past few months has he moved onto the title picture.

I dunno, to me I think the X Division should be the proving ground for younger talent, and this whole Match of Champions thing is pathetically obvious. Maybe they want to bring in more talent for the X Division before Lethal has his reign. I hope they put the title back on him. He's impressive.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Yeah but Angle turned heel last night so they need Joe vs. him. Chances are Angle will screw Joe in the match and then Joe will feud with him again for the title.

[Kif]

Angle turned heel? I didn't know that, I don't watch Impact. But Angle has been kind of heel for a while. He's got that whole UFC attitude going for him really, like all he cares about is winning. Don't get me wrong, if they are setting up Joe/Angle champ vs champ, it'll be good to watch. I just think slapping the title on Joe for buyrates is rather cheap.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Yeah, he started thanking him self for everything and saying he hated the fans. Basically your typical cocky heel.

[Kif]

That seriously sucks. Jarrett had the title last year, and lost it to a face Christian, who turned heel and lost the title to a face Kurt, who then turns heel?

TNA really hate nice guys haha.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Hahaha.

I'm really liking Abyss lately. Probably my favorite guy in TNA now.

[Kif]

Abyss is awesome. He takes so many hits it's unbelievable. Especially now Father Mitchell has abandoned him and the whole storyline with his mother is gone, Abyss is cool again.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Yeah not to mention he's a big monster type who HOLY **** OH NO can actually wrestle.

[Kif]

Haha yeah! Abyss is badass. He's like if Kane ****ed Mankind or something. That's a horrible mental image actually. I feel really sick for saying that.

All of the big guys in TNA can wrestle really. Makes you wonder how Vince can keep The Great Khali going.

[Ghoul Hunter]

:lol: :lol: :lol: @ Kane+Mankind

How'd you like to want in on that backstage? Hahaha.

Quite true. Khali could work if they used him right.

[Kif]

Hernandez is probably my favourite big guy at the moment. He's pretty much Joe, except a bit more built and with more power moves. Without him LAX would be nowhere.

Speaking of, Konnan and Killings have both left TNA for AAA. I forgot all about that actually. I heard Homicide cut a promo on Impact.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Hernandez is a beast.

Yeah, that sucked. Konnan I don't mind so much but I like Killings. He always looks so ****ing scary, haha.

[encmetalhead]

more draft notes...
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"The Wrestling Observer has extra info on the draft lottery moves. Chris Benoit was the only name people knew for sure would definitely be moved, since Smackdown's head writer, Michael Hayes, didn't rate him highly. Hayes made his career by delivering great promos and so now tends to judge the wrestlers' value by the quality of their promos. Obviously Benoit was lacking in that regard and so Smackdown became a dead-end for him. He still has plenty of supporters elsewhere in the company though, with many now considering him a 'lifer' that will stick on as an agent/trainer after in-ring retirement, and he was originally set to go to Raw after WrestleMania. His stay in ECW is regarded as temporary, with many feeling he will wind up on Raw by 2008 as Triple H is likely to push for him there.

For now, Benoit's role in ECW is to be a player-coach who can groom the future stars. Dusty Rhodes wanted the brand to be geared towards improving younger stars and for now that does seem to be the direction it is going in. Elijah Burke and Marcus Cor Von are the two WWE is most keen on, with C.M. Punk lacking long-term prospects in the eyes of many in the company. Bobby Lashley was moved because they know that, no matter what, ECW ratings will not improve greatly and so the show will not make big stars. Vince McMahon wants to build the company around Lashley and John Cena, so the former joined the latter on Raw.

Contrary to his stance on Benoit, Hayes is more supportive of Ric Flair being on Smackdown as he values Flair's promo skills. That might sound like a predictable opinion but a number of Raw people, especially Brian Gerwitz, didn't watch Flair in his prime and never considered him to be a good promo.


Interesting note on Chris Masters going to Smackdown: JBL used to bully him on overseas tours and embarrass him in front of the other wrestlers. One of Meltzer's sources was quoted as saying "I've never seen a guy so big and strong back down and do absolutely nothing and just let a guy bully him." Well, at least they'll only meet once a week now.

Ken Kennedy's move to Raw has been deemed as premature by some in WWE, yet he has done a good job at influencing the influential to speak up on his behalf. Steve Austin is said to be a big fan and his personally endorsed him to management. Also, Austin's speech on Mr McMahon Appreciation Night was completely ad-libbed by him as he rejected the script Brian Gerwitz had written for him. "

WO at prowrestling.com
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Vince again changes his mind every 5 min...
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Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

"It is being said regarding the future of the "Mr. McMahon Assassination" angle, that McMahon has been changing his mind every five minutes regarding if it should be ending or not. At this time, the person playing "Investigator Daniel Beck" was set to be a recurring character throughout the summer doing various cameos, but in recent days, he has been told that his last air date will be on the special three hour special of Raw this Monday night. This indicates a possibility in a change or total ending of the angle, but as ratings come in, this may change if McMahon is happy with them."
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"The Snitsky Plan - keep him strong, keep him winning on the undercard, then move him up to face Cena next year. It's like the Umaga Plan but with a less jolly belly. "

WO at insidepulse
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this is going to be....great or the worst thing since wet bread
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Steve-O of MTV Jackass fame wrote on his MySpace.com blog today that he was backstage at Raw last night filming a Summerslam commercial that will pave the way for the entire "Jackass" cast to be involved in the main event of WWE's August PPV at the Continental Airlines Arena. Steve-O wrote, "I really wasn't that bad last night, well, that's not true. I did a great job shooting my new WWE commercial to promote the WWE Pay Per View Summer Slam, but then everyone got all sorts of uptight as a result of me running around trying to get famous wrestlers to choke me unconcious (sic) for my Paparazzi Stuntman dvd (plenty of them were ready to do it, including Umaga, but the suits derailed me). I got a funny call from LA saying, "why are we getting calls that the main event of their WWE Summer Slam may be called off because of you're behaving so badly?"(The whole cast of jackass, minus Weeman, will be in a huge match for the main event)" You can read the entire blog at this link. Something tells me WWE officials will be thrilled about that being posted.

PWInsider.com
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Early booking plans call for a couple of matches on the SummerSlam card featuring Jackass cast members, by themselves, or teamed with WWE faces vs WWE heels.

Shane McMahon is the one behind the upcoming Jackass angle to be played out on TV over the summer building towards SummerSlam. Shane has wanted to bring them back since the last time they were used in WWE, when they were laid out by Umaga. It was then that Shane wanted to do a longer term angle with them but Stephanie and Triple H disagreed because they felt the Jackass members could not be trusted to do the right thing for wrestling. Vince, in the middle, never gave an answer thus it was not given approval. Since the last time Jackass was on WWE TV, and up until WrestleMania, the ratings have been stong so there was no pressure for Vince to make a decision on the Jackass angle. Recently the USA Networks have come down on WWE for lower ratings and now Vince has agreed.

The last time the Jackass members were used in WWE they rubbed alot of people the wrong way by not selling to the wrestlers very good in matches. Umaga had even gotten rough with Steve O to send a message, but did not hurt him. When the WWE was in Tampa for Monday Night Raw on June 4th, Steve O was backstage pissing a lot of people off. Besides being his usual crazy self and not having dressing room etiquette, Steve O had a camera crew with him the entire time, secretly filming, for his upcoming Paparazzi Stuntman DVD. They filmed wrestlers going over finishes ahead of time. They tried filming the wrestlers changing but that was stopped. They even filmed creative going over promos and match details with wrestlers. When Vince found out about all of this he damn near cancelled the whole Jackass angle, but was talked out of it by Shane. Now it appears Shane will be playing backstage babysitter all summer and lots of people are expecting several incidents to happen.

Jackass members already signed for the angle are: Steve O, Chris Pontius, Wee-Man, Bam Margera, Ryan Dunn, and Preston Lacey. Johnny Knoxville has yet to agree because he is still in talks. Rake Yohn turned down the angle. Ehren McGhehey and Dave England were not offered a spot.

As previously rumored, Triple H is likely to return at SummerSlam for a match with Randy Orton. That match, along with the Jackass match(es) will be co-promoted as the main events.

SummerSlam was originally going to be used by WWE to build to the future. Original ideas included: DX vs Team RKO, Triple H vs Edge or Randy Orton, and Vince vs Rey Mysterio.

WO at nodq
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The original plans for Summerslam have changed with the inclusion of the WWE vs. Jackass angle, and the knee injury suffered by Shawn Michaels. The card was to feature Rated RKO vs. DX or Triple H vs. either Edge or Orton, which at this point, looks to be Triple H vs. Randy Orton, which explains Orton’s recent push. Another match originally planned for the 8/26 Summerslam had Vince McMahon against Rey Mysterio Jr. The idea for a McMahon-Mysterio match hasn’t been dropped entirely, but obviously they aren’t currently heading in that direction.

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Proving that certain people don't learn from their mistakes, Jackass star Steve-O wrote on his most recent MySpace.com blog entry, "As for upsetting the WWE, too bad for them-- they're stuck plastering the television screen with commercial, starring only me (representing the entire cast of Jackass by myself ) and Umaga, promoting the Pay Per View event. As for "almost shutting down the Jackass match", that's just hype to let everyone know we're comng (sic). As for the choke-outs, Ryan Dunn choked me out six times in one day. Umaga actually knows what he's doing, he's very capable of safely choking me out, and he's the current champion of the WWE, of course I was a complete nightmare for those people doing everything in and out of my power to get footage of Umaga choking me out, and then have him sign a release form, which I was packing on the bod." I can say that WWE did come close to pulling the plug on the match as they felt Steve-O was acting disrespectful to the company backstage particularly filming private things that go on during the course of a show including matches being put together with agents.

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Wrestling Observer Newsletter via another forum...

Quote:Recently it was in question if Johnny Knoxville will participate in this year’s SummerSlam event in the Jackass angle until now.

Johnny Knoxville has in fact agreed to appear at the Summerslam event this year as a wrestler. Only one match will take place at the event with the “Jackass” crew; not three, as previously reported. The match is looking to be a hardcore style match between the “Jackass” crew and an assortment of WWE wrestlers who aren’t doing anything.
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WWE has gone to the crappy...

[ChodaBoy]

Dont believe everything you read, most of the time "inside information" is complete crap made up to get visitors on a site, or stuff that has been mentioned, but never works out

[Ghoul Hunter]

Not really. That's only if you're using a **** site.

[ThrashMaster27]

So what PPV do we reckon Vince will return at?

I'm tempted to say one of the big four, but then again, Vince has always suprised me.

Speaking of Abyss, Anyone notice that Batista has started using a spinning side slam? Hmmm, I've also noticed a few other moves... mind you, I suppose moves are always gonna move around different feds.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Who knows. I'm guessing it'll happen before Summerslam.

I'm ordering Vengeance tonight. These PPVs make me poor :lol:

[simplephotographinthesun]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/kennydubs/hogan1.jpg

i'm sorry, i had to.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Hahahaha, so wrong.

[Kif]

So I have the inside scoop on who they are setting Edge up to feud with.

...

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/kingleonidas/

:rolleyes:

Seriously though, his defense at Vengeance was classic.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Hahahaha, why the hell is that there? :lol:

That match was awesome.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Chris Benoit and his wife and son were found dead earlier...

I honestly don't even know what to say, this hit me really hard...

[metallicaman8]

You can't be serious.

[iam2000pounds]

Wow.

That's scary.

[metallicaman8]

Holy ****, I just checked the webpage. That's seriously ****ed up. How old was his son?

[Ghoul Hunter]

About 7...

God, this is ****ing unbelievable.

RIP to all three.

[ChodaBoy]

Its a real shame, great wrestler gone too soon again. I wonder what the cause of death is

[Jom]

I hope it was a freak accident, like carbon monoxide poisoning or something, and not because of murder or suicide or something that bad. I saw the news and was stunned - he seemed so invincible and was such a phenomenal, legendary competitor. RIP Benoit, and cheers for the memories.

[ChodaBoy]

I assume it was a gas leak of some sort, my initial expectation was a shooting. But it has apparently been confirmed no shots were fired, and the deaths are under investigation

[Ghoul Hunter]

Yeah, it just doesn't seem right. I can't imagine the Crippler being gone. He was like some all present person in wrestling.

[FakePlasticTrees]

This is un-real. :(

[CityOfEvil]

God that can't be real. Yesterday I heared he can't be at Vengeance because of family problem, now he's dead.. Damn.

RIP to all three :(

[JumpTheF**kUp]

They were shot to death apparantly :(

[CityOfEvil]

I assume it was a gas leak of some sort, my initial expectation was a shooting. But it has apparently been confirmed no shots were fired, and the deaths are under investigation

They were shot to death apparantly

Hum.. Who's right?

Edit : They weren't.. I saw it on another forum.. they don't say how except they weren't shot to death.

[Ghoul Hunter]

It has been ruled that the deaths of Chris Benoit, his wife Nancy and their son Daniel earlier today were the result of a double murder-suicide from within the home. WWE.com will have more as soon as it becomes available.

Ugh...

[CityOfEvil]

:O Jeez.

That's hard to believe. Not that I don't believe it, just.. hard to think Chris or his wife did that.

[Ghoul Hunter]

There's no way he would've. Absolutely no way in hell.

[simplephotographinthesun]

i'm just numb, this is probably the last thing i would ever expect.

RIP, thanks for the great memories

[CityOfEvil]

There's no way he would've. Absolutely no way in hell.

Well, who else? I don't think his wife would have did it, but it could be, but honestly.. I don't wanna know if he did it or not.

If yes, he'll lose like all the fans he had and a lot of respect.

Edit : It just passed on the news.

And when you think of it, he canceled Vengeance, not showed up and say it's because family reasons and the day after they're all dead..

[FakePlasticTrees]

This is so un-real. :(

[MattSharpIsCool]

Damn, Benoit was awesome. I remember back when him and The Rock had all those matches during the McMahon-Helmsley era, and I always hated Benoit, but he was still so cool.

That sucks. Especially if he went on a killing rampage.

[iam2000pounds]

Jesus! I hope he didn't do it.

[CombatRock]

Yea, latest reports are, he did it. Streched out over three days. Thats really ****ed up.

[RandyfromPennywise]

Yeah just read this, pretty crazy stuff. What I am reading, which was posted on one of Australia's most reputable news websites, says that the deaths are being investigated as homicides... If that murder-suicide rumour is true, that's just ****ed.

[ThrashMaster27]

According to the feds he apparently killed his wife and kid over the weekend and killed himself earlier today.

Wow, this is just obscene, something I'd never see coming in a million years. I truly hope he didn't do it, but it seems as though everything points to him having done it.

I don't know what to say, if they find out that he did it would they celebrate his life as a wrestler or just not mention it at all?

[CombatRock]

I think the WWE should just say nothing about it, if its true. They already sent out condolences to the family. If its true that he did kill his son and wife, then I dont think the WWE should celebrate a murderer.

[JumpTheF**kUp]

http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/superstars/chrisbenoit/articles/benoitupdate


The idea that Benoit would murder his wife and child seems pretty ****ed up to be honest.

[Cocaine]

Whoa, that sucks. I never like Benoit though.

[pikester]

Wow.

WTF?

[Kif]

I think the WWE should just say nothing about it, if its true. They already sent out condolences to the family. If its true that he did kill his son and wife, then I dont think the WWE should celebrate a murderer.
They aren't celebrating a murderer. They are mourning a wrestler, and I think it should be done.

[encmetalhead]

who says his wife couldn't had done it? They all found them dead yesterday not along the weekend so who knows who was the last person killed?

[ChodaBoy]

If he did do it, there was clearly something not right inside his head. But, they shouldnt mention him again.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Guys, don't get too excited, it's not confirmed yet, just highly believed.

If it's true though I really don't know what to say. I'd believe McMahon was really dead before i'd believe Benoit did this...

[Dead Star]

So is this like Vince McMahons "death"

or is this the real stuff?

[encmetalhead]

this is real man....

i think it went down like this from what we've been todl abotu Chris since Sunday

Sat. (Afternoon-late Sat Night)

1. Wife is sittign in the living room when she hears Danial coughing/or she snaps
2. She checks on him/walks to his room to talk to him
3. snaps and kills him/kills him
4. falls asleep

Sunday before PPV

1. Wife Calls Chris and says that Danial is ill
2. Chris decides to head home
3. Wife doesn't let him in the room to "not get Chris sick"
4. Chris helds to weight room to train for the day
5. Wife is still on her psycho path and kills Chris in the weight room

Monday

1. Wife realizes what she has done and kills her self

if you want to know where i got the specfic locations go here and well just read through all the pages it has a lot of info wwe has posted

http://www.thescoreboards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37435

[CityOfEvil]

who says his wife couldn't had done it? They all found them dead yesterday not along the weekend so who knows who was the last person killed?

Well, I think with autopsy you can know. So we should know in the week. If they decided to tell it.

[Kif]

There's no way to know, so stop thinking of elaborate situations and just mourn the guy and his family.

WWE has stopped shipping his merchandise. I guess they fear for a backlash or something, although I can't see what would happen. Wrestling fans know that they are mourning the wrestler Chris Benoit, not the murderer.

[Ghoul Hunter]

It's looking like:

Saturday: Strangled wife

Sunday: Smothered son

Money: Hung himself

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[Kif]

That's what I've been hearing too from TMZ, although that is a tabloid website.

[Kif]

PWTorch.com has learned that one major media entity has received an email purporting to be from a friend of the Chris Benoit extended family saying that Benoit accidentally killed his wife in a domestic argument, then panicked and killed his son later so his son could be with his mother rather than grow up without a mom and knowing his father as a murderer.

That sounds believable considering Benoit has had a history of domestic violence with his wife before. But still, he should've had help before this to protect them from something just like this incident.

[Ghoul Hunter]

I saw that too. I'm so damn confused here.

[Understanding In a Crash]

He was one of my favorite wrestlers in WCW... not so much in WWE but still well respected. Most sites have ruled it as a double homicide-suicide but still...

RIP.

[Understanding In a Crash]

(delete this message plz) :upset:

[Dead Star]

this is real man....


****, I thought this was all a fake.

That sounds pretty ****ed up.

[Frankie]

RIP Benoit. One of the most likable wrestlers and one of my personal favorites. He'll be sourly missed by the community.

[iam2000pounds]

This is crazy.

[shaqadelic]

Benoit is the type of guy who would not murder his wife and kid. It is ****ing hard to believe.

[Ganondorf]

It's sad about Benoit.

[Ghoul Hunter]

It's true...

[FakePlasticTrees]

Its hard to believe that a man that you respect and admire is capable of doing this atrocity.

Mourn the wrestler, not the murderer.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Yeah I just can't even nearly wrap my mind around this.

[encmetalhead]

"there was a bible found next to each of the victims."

"now their saying Benoit killed Nancy on Friday, Daniel on Saturday, then hanged himself on Sunday morning"

ok........so Chris sent a text to Chavo sat night and Chavo didn't see it till Monday??? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ght...

[encmetalhead]

From: WGGL shown on Fox News

- Lt. Pope: WWE called police officials at 2:30PM on Monday over concern for Benoit’s well being. Police found all three bodies in the home. “Double Homicide Suicide” is the official ruling.

- It appears Benoit killed his wife on Friday, his son shortly after, and likely hanged himself either late Saturday night or early Sunday.

- No suicide note was left behind.

- Asphyxiation is the official ruling for Benoit’s wife and son deaths.

- Benoit was previously arrested for a DUI.

- A lot of prescription medication was found in the home, legal prescriptions.

- Police found anabolic steroids in the home.

- No comment from police regarding a possible motivation.

- He killed himself several hours, but no more than a day, after killing son Daniel.

- Police is unaware of prior domestic violence.

- District Attorney Scott Ballard stated that a Bible was placed near each murder victim.

- Benoit bond Nancy’s hands and feet and she was wrapped in a towel. Blood was found near Nancy’s body.

- In 2003, a temporary restraining order was sought but later dropped.

- Benoit made no attempt to hide the bodies.

- The DA himself has not heard from WWE.

- Daniel was found in an upstairs bedroom. Benoit’s wife was also found in an upstairs family room, and Benoit hung himself in the weight room in the basement.

- The toxicology reports are still pending. It will probably take more than two weeks for the reports to be finished.

- Benoit apparently called WWE stating that Daniel was coughing up blood, thus likely the “personal reasons” for missing weekend house shows.

[anal gravy]

WRESTLING IS NOT REAL GET IT IN YOUR HEADS

[encmetalhead]

this is though you dumb dips*** as.shole

[Akira]

I don't understand how people are mourning the death of a man who, at this point, apparently killed his wife and son...

[Ghoul Hunter]

Shut up gravy

[ChodaBoy]

I don't understand how people are mourning the death of a man who, at this point, apparently killed his wife and son...

Most people have given up mourning him. At first we didnt know about this, so we just deal with it as any other death. But now, people lose all respect for him no matter how good he was in-ring.

[Ghoul Hunter]

**** those people.

He was a hard worker who always put 110% into his job. He'll go down as one of the best wrestlers ever. All this regardless of what he did.

[encmetalhead]

From NODQ

"Regarding the McMahon "death" angle on Raw last night before news broke out on the sudden death of WWE star Chris Benoit, thus causing the show to be a tribute show, original plans called for the show to end with "federal investigators" arresting Vince's wife Linda McMahon on suspicion of murder.

However, it would later turn out that the incompetent "feds" were wrong. Not on last night's Raw, but on a future episode. The "feds" would then continue their investigation and the storyline would have continued for an indefinite amount of time."

[Hababi]

I don't understand how people are mourning the death of a man who, at this point, apparently killed his wife and son...

Oh man, a post in a WWE thread :(

I think it's clear that Benoit lost some facet of his mental capacity this weekend...his actions were incomprehensibly awful, but it was likely something that was the product of steroids and/or painkillers.

[simplephotographinthesun]

**** those people.

He was a hard worker who always put 110% into his job. He'll go down as one of the best wrestlers ever. All this regardless of what he did.

agreed, though his legacy is forever tarnished, his work ethic and impressive resume live on.

[Scoot]

Just stopped by to pay respects to Chris.

He was a great wrestler but there's no way anyone can overlook this in his history.

[CityOfEvil]

**** those people.

He was a hard worker who always put 110% into his job. He'll go down as one of the best wrestlers ever. All this regardless of what he did.

Agree 80%

It's true but you can't let go the fact that he did that. I mean, he was great and has respect for everything and everybody, but he killed a woman and a 7 years old child, man.. I understand people who lost respect of him.

[Kif]

WWE Chairman Vince McMahon will apologize for the three-hour USA Network tribute to pro wrestler Chris Benoit that aired Monday night, sources said.

The WWE and USA Network have received complaints about the tribute, which was hastily produced after Mr. Benoit, his wife and their son were found dead in their Georgia home Monday afternoon.

[ChodaBoy]

Oh for god's sake, people will complain about anything. They made a tribute show because they thought one of their main stars, a close friend to some of the roster, and respected by fans was dead and they wanted to pay tribute. The same thing happened with Eddie in 05, no complaints there about the hastiness

[Kif]

No offense, but with Eddie's tribute, there wasn't a dead kid involved. I'm willing to bet that's the only thing that non wrestling fans are seeing.

Then again, I do agree. The thing was shown before any details were known. No one knew a thing about what happened when that thing went on air, so no one had the right to complain.

[Understanding In a Crash]

Mourning the death of someone who was apart of an organization happens all the time on short notice. Especially in Sports...

[CityOfEvil]

Jeez this is ridiculous. The tribute was about the wrestler not the guy himself. Well, a bit cause other rosters talk about him but.. like you say nobody knew it when it was done. Being Vince I wouldnt apologize. The tribute was ok.

[shaqadelic]

Is there anyways to gauge someone's state of mind other than checking if there is any substance running in his blood? Some people have thrown the ideas of his use of painkillers/steroids having affecting his mental health. How bout detecting other possible causes of mental health deterioration?

I can't imagine Benoit did this in cold blood or in a straight mind, I still reserve some hope that he snapped or something. It just wouldn't make sense otherwise.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the tribute; WWE didn't know anything prior or during the show. And even after that, there is no need to apologise for doing a tribute on Benoit, the wrestler.

Man but it sucks big time that his reputation is forever tarnished. What a sad ending.

[apple pie]

he was always my character in the PS2 games, R.I.P

[gaslight]

Really messed up hey, I couldn't believe Chris would do something like that. It's certainly no way for him to go down in history.

****ed up hey, ****ed up. Absolute tragedy.

[Kif]

Is there anyways to gauge someone's state of mind other than checking if there is any substance running in his blood? Some people have thrown the ideas of his use of painkillers/steroids having affecting his mental health. How bout detecting other possible causes of mental health deterioration?

I can't imagine Benoit did this in cold blood or in a straight mind, I still reserve some hope that he snapped or something. It just wouldn't make sense otherwise.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the tribute; WWE didn't know anything prior or during the show. And even after that, there is no need to apologise for doing a tribute on Benoit, the wrestler.

Man but it sucks big time that his reputation is forever tarnished. What a sad ending.
Someone who did it in cold blood wouldn't have left bibles next to them. I have no idea what Benoit was thinking, but I guess it's all relative now, isn't it?

[JumpTheF**kUp]

Guys, the real story has come out!

Benoit applied the crippler crossface to his wife and son but they wouldn't tap out, so he kept going and they died! And then he tried to do a flying head butt, but a rope got caught around his neck.

It's the only real explanation tbh.

[Dead Star]

Guys, the real story has come out!

Benoit applied the crippler crossface to his wife and son but they wouldn't tap out, so he kept going and they died! And then he tried to do a flying head butt, but a rope got caught around his neck.

It's the only real explanation tbh.

I shouldnt have smiled at that but I did :(

[gaslight]

Yeah, it's not the sort of thing to joke about.

Didn't stop my cousin though.

*On hearing that Chris Benoit strangled his wife to death.*
"...really? She should have tapped out."

I admit to laughing at it :upset:.

[JumpTheF**kUp]

:(

I apologise for my joke. It may have been slighty distasteful.

[Kif]

It is distasteful, but it was still funny.

http://slam.canoe.ca/SlamWrestlingBenoit/benoit_00may28.html

"4. What's your favourite hangout?

Home."

I guess he is happiest hanging with his family.

:rolleyes:

[JumpTheF**kUp]

I guess he is happiest hanging with his family.

:(:(:(

[encmetalhead]

mean but funny.....but am the type of person who makes jokes when every is all serouis(sp?)....

[gaslight]

Wow, welcome to the nether regions of the soul :upset:.

Seriously though, as much as I can laugh at any dark joke, it is a real tragedy what happened, in a lot of ways: the suicide of a man, the murder of a mother, the murder of a son, forever tarnishing his reputation and ending his life and career on pretty much the worse note possible.

I'm also bummed that we never got to see Benoit vs CM Punk, and that Nitro has the belt now.

A black day indeed.

[Kif]

Nitro is the luckiest motherf**ker on the planet right now.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Indeed.

[Kif]

I got done watching ECW. Did anyone notice that the pinfall exchange between Burke and Punk was almost identical to the one between Benoit and Malenko shown on the tribute show the night before?

[Akira]

Oh man, a post in a WWE thread :(

I think it's clear that Benoit lost some facet of his mental capacity this weekend...his actions were incomprehensibly awful, but it was likely something that was the product of steroids and/or painkillers.

Someone in bass told me about this, so I came to check it out. Don't worry, I have never watched pro wrestling in my entire life.

[Ghoul Hunter]

I got done watching ECW. Did anyone notice that the pinfall exchange between Burke and Punk was almost identical to the one between Benoit and Malenko shown on the tribute show the night before?
I noticed that too, hah

[Kif]

I noticed that too, hah
I wonder if they got punished. Someone inside WWE must have noticed it.

[Aficionado]

He was one of my favourite wrestlers. WWE has really had some bad luck lately. The whole Vince McMahon fake dying has back fired into an actual death.

[simplephotographinthesun]

http://i17.tinypic.com/4pnk6d1.jpg

i had no other choice.

[DFelon204409]

Thats Not Funny Rip Benoit Rip Dimebag

[Aficionado]

yes you had a choice...you could've chosen not too do that at all.

[shaqadelic]

I got done watching ECW. Did anyone notice that the pinfall exchange between Burke and Punk was almost identical to the one between Benoit and Malenko shown on the tribute show the night before?

Yeah, but the roll up reversal sequence is commonly used. It will be inappropriate for them to get heat from using it.

[CityOfEvil]

I just ask myself this question : Considering that this Monday episode of Raw was canceled. Will the next Raw be in the city that they were supposed to be last monday or they just canceled it at all for them?

[shaqadelic]

Next week, they gonna go to the next city on their schedule probably with normal storyline (minus Vince's death angle of course unless they are crazy). The city that they canceled on either is gonna get refunds or free tickets the next time WWE comes along.

[CityOfEvil]

Yeah that's what I think too.

For Vince's storyline. I'm like 90% sure that someday he would have be back so maybe they just gonna accelerate the story and bring back Vince like long time before what they have planned. Or maybe they just like, say this is over we pass to another storyline with Vince.

[JumpTheF**kUp]

They've already admitted the death of Vince angle was fake. He had to come out and make a statement about the Benoit deaths, so the entire storyline got ****ed up. Apparantly Linda was going to be arrested as a suspect or something, but they had to cancel it all. Any moron with half a brain had already figured out that it was fake anyway, so I think it's better that they had to can it, although the circumstances surrounding it were kind of awful.

[Moka]

why do these wrestlers keep dying?

[Dead Star]

I read in the paper today that Benoit was pumping his son full or the roids. :o

[gaslight]

His son had a defective chromosome condition or something, it's my understanding that HGH is used to treat the physical underdevelopment side of it or something like that.

It's gonna be painful all the spins the media are going to put on this, but I think what's worse is that the whole situation is never likely to make any sense.

[Moka]

Yeah seriously, I thought it was a joke when i heard about it.

[Aficionado]

Check out this article...

This guy hits the nail right on the head http://www.rajahwwf.com/news/node/8374

[Ghoul Hunter]

I pretty much agree, except Benoit is still one of my favorite wrestlers.

[RandyfromPennywise]

Seriously, I used to follow wrestling when I was 12-13, it is so crap. Seriously.

And yeah, the Benoit situation is just crazy. Poor family who has to deal with it, I feel sorry for them.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Why did you feel the need to babble on about it being "crap".

[RandyfromPennywise]

I don't. I posted in here about the Benoit story earlier. I have been reading about it a bit lately. I was just posting my thoughts on 'professional' wrestling. Peace.

[Ghoul Hunter]

I'm just too in love with wrestling :p

[RandyfromPennywise]

Haha yes, I know the feeling. I was in love with it when I was, ah, can't remember, year 8, I'm guessing, 13? But anyway, yeah 1999 so I was 14 then, Royal Rumble '99 with Terri Runnels' see-through top, WHOA! Haha, yeah Undertaker v Kane was my favourite match, I think it was Wrestlemania 98 or something, when Undertaker Tombstoned Kane like four times and he still got up. Kane used to be so good. We used to choke-slam each other at school all the time. And Mankind was a guru.

[Aficionado]

I think it's safe to say that the best Wrestlemania was 17. As for me, I was crazy for wrestling in small doses. Everytime I visited Pakistan, I woudl get hooked. All my cousins loved wrestling for a long time and I would come back to Canada and get hooked for a good 6-8 months and then I'd tune out.

But then wrestling became crappy.

[Kif]

My first dose of wrestling as actually WCW. Me and my friend used to watch it because we didn't get Sky Sports and couldn't watch WWE. This was around late 1999, so David Arquette was the champ and the NWO was just dying again.

Then I saw Armageddon, more specifically Triple H Vs. Vince. That match turned me onto WWE instantly.

[CityOfEvil]

I start like a year and a half ago. So I can't compare to waht it was before WWE. But with all I read and heared since I start watching it I guess it was better before.

[RandyfromPennywise]

The best sh*t was 98, 99 and 2000 that I knew. But then again, in hindsight, I don't like any of it now so whatever. Kane v Undertaker v Rock v Austin v Mankind were the days. To be honest if I saw Mankind v Kane in a cage match, I might watch it for a bit. And that's saying something. It was actually good in those days. Mick Foley used to take some beatings. Rock absolutely smashed him one Royal Rumble, like 20 chair shots to the head or something, Foley was so fked, but he still walked out, like the man that he is. Mr SOCKO!

[Kif]

That was the I Quit match, right?

The attitude era had it's moments, but for the most part, they tried to copy ECW a lot. I remember Undertaker about to stab Austin, and I thought "They'd never get away with this today".

[Aficionado]

I'm going to have to agree with you randy. The late 90's were great.

[Ghoul Hunter]

I started watching at like age 3.

[CityOfEvil]

You remember what you were watching at 3? lol

[Ghoul Hunter]

Don't remember it exactly, haha.

[CityOfEvil]

Lol that's what I thought.

Hum.. now how old are you?

[Ghoul Hunter]

17.

[CityOfEvil]

Ok. Jeez you listen to it since what 1993? :p

[Ghoul Hunter]

Yep :p

[Kif]

Well I started watching young as well, but I don't remember crap from it. I had the old style ring as a toy, with the red white and blue ropes. Wrestling was so much easier back then haha.

[Dead Star]

I started watching when I was about 4/5. I think I was watching a tape of Wretlemania VIII and I was hooked.

I used to have loads of Hulkamania videos too. I wonder where they went =/

[CityOfEvil]

Young the only thing I knew about wrestling was a videogame on PlayStation.
But my mom doesn't wanted to buy it cause it was too violent. lol

The only one I knew was Stone Cold.

[FakePlasticTrees]

1998 to 2001 were great years for the wwe. I especially enjoyed the Rock and Sock connnection.

[Aficionado]

I think wrestling's peak was wrestlemania 17. After that it's gone down hill slowly.

[Kif]

WWE's peak*

That was when Austin was a heel, right? Man that was a crazy time.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Austin was never really over as a heel. He's like 'Taker.

Speaking of that (and proving myself wrong too :|), anyone remember how badass the REALLY bad Undertaker was? Ministry era? So awesome.

[Kif]

Ministry era Taker was my favourite, just because the Ministry owned so hard. I need to find more footage of that time. All I remember is the whole kidnapping Stephanie thing, and Taker in the limo driver seat, and he turns around and the camera zooms in and he says "Where to, Stephanie!?!?!?". Honestly, it's like it's from a movie or something.

It's awesome nowadays, since everyone cheers the heels and boos the faces. Orton gets the biggest pops I've ever seen when he comes out.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Yeah, I hope Taker comes back like that. I know he will.

Haha, yeah. Orton's probably my favorite guy around right now. RKO (Orton's style of unpredictability with it) = Best move

[Crapdragoon]

i was a wcw kid.


for me, pro wrestling died when wcw did.




i still remember that last thunder

right at the end it showed the wcw camera crew n shi and they all said so long

[FakePlasticTrees]

Is there a place where one can download wwe matches? Theres a few matches that I want to see again.

[Understanding In a Crash]

I was a WCW kid as well but I believe WCW died way before WWE took over. As soon as WCW started the hardcore crap copying of WWE and after was basically there demise. Their match cards in the late 90's were the best diversified IMO and always had the best climaxes.

[RandyfromPennywise]

Austin, they tried to make him a bad guy (heel?) but it never worked, because everyone just loved him too much. And yeah the 'I Quit' match, that was crazy because Rock cheated and used a recording of Mankind's voice, if he didn't do that the match would have never ended, Foley would never say "I quit". It went for like half an hour at least. Some of those main events were crazy, mainly involving Mankind getting cained. The best were Rock, Austin, Mankind, 'Taker, Kane and HHH. Before they made Kane a heel he was awesome. Such a huge man as well.

[Ghoul Hunter]

They used the recording because The Rock beat Foley so bad he was legitimately KO'd

[RandyfromPennywise]

Really? That's not how I remember it. I mean yeah Foley was down, maybe KO'd, but I still thought that it was The Rock cheating...

[Ghoul Hunter]

Nah, The Rock went insane in that match. He beat Mankind more than should ever be allowed in wrestling.

[gaslight]

Far out, I thought the point of the storyline was that the Rock cheated and used a recording.

[Ghoul Hunter]

That was the storyline. Here's the summary of it from Wiki

The Rock once again captured the WWF Title in an "I Quit" match at the 1999 Royal Rumble that saw The Rock hit Mankind in the head with a chair ten or eleven times as opposed to the agreed upon three times, knocking him unconscious and using a tape recording of Mankind saying "I quit" to trick the referee.

[gaslight]

So who agreed on 3 times?

[JumpTheF**kUp]

Oh man, I remember that match. The best sort of times were around the 6 man HIAC (even though the match itself was pretty shitty). Basically the era where The Rock came into prominence, he was so charismatic and with Stone Cold being his equal, they always had great chemistry in the ring. Wrestlemania XVII ended so ****ing well because of their match. The TLC match before it was insane though as well.

The only good match I can remember from recent times was the Last Man Standing at Royal Rumble '05 (or maybe '04) between HBK and Triple H. God, that was such a great match. So many high spots, and watching HBK walk out of his own accord and seeing the crowd cheering him on was great.

[encmetalhead]

i just found out, by doing some wikipedia link clicking, that 3-Minute Warning's Jamal is Umaga now...i'm so behind the times on somethings...

[JumpTheF**kUp]

i just found out, by doing some wikipedia link clicking, that 3-Minute Warning's Jamal is Umaga now...i'm so behind the times on somethings...

everything*

[JumpTheF**kUp]

I apologise severely for this double post, but I wanted to bring attention to this:

News of Nancy Benoit's death was inexplicably posted on Wikipedia 14 hours before the police discovered the bodies. This was initially reported on Wikinews and later on FOXNews.com. The original posting reads: “Chris Benoit was replaced by Johnny Nitro for the ECW Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy.” The phrase "stemming from the death of his wife Nancy" was added to the English Wikipedia's "Chris Benoit" article at 12:01 a.m. EDT on June 25,[98] whereas the Fayette County police reportedly discovered the bodies of the Benoit family at 2:30 p.m. EDT (14 hours, 29 minutes later). The IP address of the editor was traced to Stamford, Connecticut, which is also the location of WWE headquarters.[99] After news of the early death notice reached mainstream media, the anonymous poster accessed Wikinews to explain his seemingly prescient comments as a "huge coincidence and nothing more".


Ok, so WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON?


Anyone want to hazard a guess at explaining?

[Ganondorf]

Edge and Christian vs Hardy Boyz vs Dudley Boyz was the best fued I can remember.

[FakePlasticTrees]

Yeah, I agree on that part. I don't remember when, but I remember they had an awesome TLC match.

[ChodaBoy]

Ok, so WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON?
Anyone want to hazard a guess at explaining?

Probably nothing. Some guy probably hears Benoit has gone home for a family emergency, thinks his wife may have died, posts it on a website.

[Kif]

Mr. Kennedy, WWE Wrestler and superstar found dead alone in locker room after tuesday's ECW/Smackdown taping.

News as it develops.
http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/kennedycareersuicide

:(

[Aficionado]

It talks about his career being dead...not committing suicide.

[Kif]

Pfft you had to go and ruin it.

[ChodaBoy]

The words used in the title kinda gave it away!

[Ghoul Hunter]

**** you Kif :lol:

I almost freaked out.

[encmetalhead]

kennedy...






...kennedy!

[Understanding In a Crash]

In response to many posts:

My favorite matches had to be guys like Dean Malenko and Chris Benoit, Psyocosis and Rey Mysterio minus the WWE crap. One match I'll never forget is the King of the Ring Hell in a Cell Mankind vs. Undertaker and he threw his *** off the top of the cell into the announcer table. I was probably in middle school and pooped myself.

The Benoit wikipedia thing is pretty creepy but alot of things on wikipedia are fake (assumptions).

The nWo was probably one of the best heel alliances ever IMO. They basically pushed WCW so far up.

[Kif]

The NWO is in a league of it's own really. I mean, it ran for so many years. They had their own bloody PPV (Even if it did suck ***). But yeah, for the most part they owned everyone. NWO Wolfpac fo' life!

I don't know what I'd call my favourite match. My favourite WWE match is probably Rock Vs. Triple H at Judgement Day. It was an ironman match, which no one thought could be done anymore. But dammit they pulled it off so well.

[ChodaBoy]

The NWO was great in the beggining, heel Hogan? yes please.

But they screwed it up completely, everyone on the roster became part of it. And, if they were forced out or whatever, they would have ended up in the Wolfpac or LWO. Unless you were called "Goldberg" of course..

[Kif]

I wonder if Goldberg's entire movelist was scripted. He makes Cena's arsenal of about 6 moves look impressive*

*On a distant note, I rather like Cena so w/e

[Kif]

I love the Google search trick. I just found a jackpot of matches and events, and some wrestling themes which I wanted :D

[Ghoul Hunter]

Man, i'd kill for a Goldberg return.

[ThrashMaster27]

I'd kill if Goldberg returned too. But it wouldn't be because I wanted him back, just to air my frustrations of him appearing on my TV screen again.

...and what's this about Kurt Angle winning some Japanese title belt from Brock Lesnar?

[Understanding In a Crash]

I wonder if Goldberg's entire movelist was scripted. He makes Cena's arsenal of about 6 moves look impressive*

*On a distant note, I rather like Cena so w/e

Goldbergs movelist was funny but every so often he did something out of the ordinary like a high kick and it would make me giggle because it was basically wtf. The goldberg undefeated gimmick I don't understand why people hate on so much because I thought it was a great idea because it puts alot of push on the guys he fought especially guys who weren't jobbies.

[gaslight]

I prefer Goldberg to Cena.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Goldberg is one of, if not my favorite wrestler of all time. Meeting him + getting his autograph when I was younger was the coolest thing ever.

[Kif]

I'd kill if Goldberg returned too. But it wouldn't be because I wanted him back, just to air my frustrations of him appearing on my TV screen again.

...and what's this about Kurt Angle winning some Japanese title belt from Brock Lesnar?
He made him tap for the IGWP Third title.

http://ca.c.yimg.jp/sports/1183127423/img.sports.yahoo.co.jp/spnavi/photo/fight/200706/29/20070629196.jpg

[Ghoul Hunter]

I'll pay Angle $50 to (only once, don't worry) not have silly look on his face.

[Kif]

Remember when he had hair, and lost and had to shave it? Yeah, that was a funny time.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Nah, that was my off-time in watching wrestling I think.

[Kif]

For anyone that wants to watch the Lesnar/Angle match

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EqVIi0G_g_0 (1/2)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hKKeJP8gnEI (2/2)

[Ghoul Hunter]

Brock's new tattoo looks horrible :lol:

[FakePlasticTrees]

Very terrible tattoo.

[Ghoul Hunter]

*brock walks into tattoo parlor*

brock: hey, i'm thinking of getting some nice work done, something meaningful and artistic

artist: HOW ABOUT A BIG ****ING KNIFE ON YOUR CHEST HELL YEAH

brock: HELL YEAH

[Aficionado]

lawl Kurt angle looks funny in that pic...really funny

[encmetalhead]

it's been like 6 years since angle got his head shaved? lol

it was around a year of 2 after Smackdown started(1999?)

[Understanding In a Crash]

Kurt Angle bald is just funny in general. His head is huge. Brock Lesnars tattoo as said before is so stupid looking. Match was allright.

[Kif]

Brock's tattoo makes Scott Steiner's look like a masterpiece.

[FakePlasticTrees]

Brock Lesnar resembles the stool that came from my anus this morning. :I

[ChodaBoy]

Doesnt look as if it has been posted. Dont click if you're easily offended

http://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07263/benoit3.jpg

[simplephotographinthesun]

He made him tap for the IGWP Third title.

http://ca.c.yimg.jp/sports/1183127423/img.sports.yahoo.co.jp/spnavi/photo/fight/200706/29/20070629196.jpg

he looks like that lurch fellow from hot fuzz.

yarp.

[Kif]

So why was this movied to VG&M?

[Ghoul Hunter]

Seriously, wtf

[encmetalhead]

i would say something but then i would get banned so i'll just say this...

please move back to sports as that is where it's suppose to be

[Kif]

Oh boy, TNA spoilers for the next 2 episodes leaked. Something completely awesome that makes me have to watch next week's happens. I can't wait!

[Ghoul Hunter]

Wait, I don't recall anything awesome... What was it?

[DFelon204409]

Seriously, wtf

oh woes!

[Ghoul Hunter]

You moved it?

[Kif]

Wait, I don't recall anything awesome... What was it?
Abyss cuts a mic promo. I don't think I've ever heard him speak ever. That alone makes up for everything else that they will inevitably **** up.

[Kif]

Anyone thinking about getting The Ladder Match DVD, I highly recommend it. There's some awesome stuff on there, and the usual lot you'd expect (TLC, HBK/Razor). The first ever ladder match from Stampede Wrestling is on it. It's so odd how they did it back then. There's also a brilliant triple threat tag team ladder match from WCW which is better than a lot of the WWE ones (Although the prize was a shot at the cruiserweight championship, so there's a lot of spots). 3 discs of ladder matches is ****ing A.

[DFelon204409]

please move back to sports as that is where it's supposed to be

Ahahahahahahaahhahahahahah you guys bring the lols. This thread should without a doubt be in the entertainment forum but I understand why the kind of people who would post on mx would be confused.

[BassVirtuoso]

I'm pretty sure wrestling is Sports Entertainment.

[DFelon204409]

The only differences between WWE and a soap opera are steroids and speedos.


You guys.

Perry Saturn tried to marry a mop.

[DFelon204409]

lol http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/f/fd/Radicalz.jpg

[Ghoul Hunter]

I don't see how it isn't sports. The only known parts are the promos and match endings. It's the wrestlers that make the matches good.

[Ghoul Hunter]

I don't see how it isn't sports. The only known parts are the promos and match endings. It's the wrestlers that make the matches good.

[encmetalhead]

thw wrestlers have t train, and they do get injuired and justifys it as a sport...

[Kif]

It's exactly what it says it is; sports entertainment.

[Jom]

Don't worry about it - the thread will stay here. Remember the good ol' days when this was just in The Pit, even after we got the other subforums?

[Kif]

It's so weird. I'm watching Ladder Match, and it's on TLC3. Benoit just slipped 2 discs after a bad bump, and everyone is clapping for him going out on a stretcher. It makes me wonder how it got past WWE, since they are literally blanking his name.

[Ghoul Hunter]

That dvd is amazing

[Kif]

Hell yeah it is. I kinda wish MITB06 was on here, since that was probably one of the best recent ladder matches ever. But still, you can't complain with all this material!

[Ghoul Hunter]

Pretty much every match on it rules.

[Kif]

I'm on Edge/Christian at the moment. I think I'm not even half way through it haha.

[Ganondorf]

Two of my favourite wrestlers.

[DFelon204409]

I don't see how it isn't sports. The only known parts are the promos and match endings. It's the wrestlers that make the matches good.

So it's pre-conceived and they have a set group of moves that they can do. What's the difference between this and doing improv theater. This is like battle theater. They're fine actors but are in no way atheletes. Sports require a degree of authentic competition. There is no such thing is wrestling.

And don't be so naive to think that many of the big turnarounds and moves/specials of the matches aren't pre-conceived too.

[DFelon204409]

thw wrestlers have t train, and they do get injuired and justifys it as a sport...

Many dancers, actors, and even musicians use physical training to develop their non-sports careers/art. Many of them get injured too. These people are not athletes and neither are wrestlers. They don't compete, they act. Any physical training they put into their job is merely to be a more suiting actor, not to be a better athlete. Athletically training suggests becoming better/stronger/whatever so that you can compete at a higher level or be better than other people. There is no correlation in art because people are cooperating to produce the art. Wrestlers are producing shows. Just because they can get hurt and lift doesn't mean anything.

[Ghoul Hunter]

So it's pre-conceived and they have a set group of moves that they can do. What's the difference between this and doing improv theater. This is like battle theater. They're fine actors but are in no way atheletes. Sports require a degree of authentic competition. There is no such thing is wrestling.

And don't be so naive to think that many of the big turnarounds and moves/specials of the matches aren't pre-conceived too.

Um, how is this not competition? I think this is a case of retards not knowing **** about wrestling and trying to sound smart.

[Jom]

I don't understand the argument, anyway. Nobody here is comparing the performers to rugby players or NASCAR drivers or whatever, but they have an athletic gift in order to execute the maneuvers necessary to produce their show. You can't bring in non-athletes and expect them to pull off the same maneuvers and storytelling to the level that the performers have been trained and train to do. Just because it's fixed doesn't make them any less of an athlete. Everybody who posts in this thread, for the most part, isn't a mark. We may mark out for certain performers, or whatever, but as a whole the IWC is comprised of marky smarts. Just because the stereotypical fan you see in the arena is a honky-tonk cracker-*** redneck doesn't damn other fans of the product, anyway. The smarts know that the outcomes, maneuvers, timing, and so on and so forth are all fixed, so pointing out the obvious doesn't really mean a whole lot.

As BV said, the product is labeled 'sports entertainment' for a reason. The thread is staying in sports, and honestly, no pun intended, but that's the bottom line.

[Ghoul Hunter]

I'm pretty happy as a straight up smark.

[DFelon204409]

execute the maneuvers necessary to produce their show. You can't bring in non-athletes and expect them to pull off the same maneuvers and storytelling to the level that the performers have been trained and train to do.

This just reinforces my point. You can't bring a non-actor into a solid movie and have him perform up to the standard of incredibly trained/naturally gifted actors. You can't bring somebody who has never played guitar before and expect him to headline the G3 tour. Athletic training does not equal sports. Sports require competition, of which WWE has none because it is fixed. It being fixed doesn't downplay their ability to perform their moves. However, it does not make them an athlete in the sense that they play sports. They're only an athlete as much as they have developed their muscle strength in the attempt to gain mass to suit a character. I just consider all professional wrestlers to be method actors in a very long series of "sports" fiction in that they're selling their show as "wrestling."

And furthermore, look at the word you used: show. It's a show.

[DFelon204409]

Is this "sports" to cite Wotan's post at the top of this page?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playmakers

Actors who have manipulated their bodies to emulate a sports activity in a totally pre-determined and fictional way. They're actors. They may be athletic as a side effect but they are actors and what they are participating in is indeed sports entertainment, but never ever call it sports.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Give up.

[DFelon204409]

You don't know me do you haha.

Can you name one sport that doesn't have competition (excluding WWE of course)?

[Ghoul Hunter]

Even though it does have competition, no I can't.