The War Council Of Power Metal Arcana

[Iron Bars]

NP - FireWind - Breaking the silence

I've been listening to Firewind alot lately. They've surpassed Dream Evil in my book I gues (but that could change pretty rapidly again).

[MetalOz]

Gus G. FTW!
I got that Dream Evil bonus disk and it's sehr gut, I was just wondering what the story with it is... Why a separate bonus disc that is really an EP? Were any of these songs released somewhere else?

I've been listening to Heavenly - Virus lately. They've got some early Helloween-esque stuff that's great.

[Stoic]

Helloween-esque stuff, ha? That could be interesting.

[MetalOz]

Perhaps a Heavenly sampler is in order. I have Dust to Dust by them as well.

EDIT: Check this out and you'll see what I mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfiZHPMrkK4

[Lord Abortion]

I'm on a Rhapsody binge.

Oh, the sheer, unadulterated joy of them.

NP-Triumph for my magic steel

[ArcLite]

NP-Triumph for my magic steel

My favorite Rhapsody song.

I love some Firewind. I don't like any of their albums as a whole because there's songs on them that I really can't dig. However, the ones that I do like I listen to all the time, ei Kill to Live, Between Heaven and Hell, amongst others.

[Deth]

Rhapsody are so good that it pains me to listen to the new album.

[ArcLite]

Is it not good?

[Cocaine]

It's so epic that it's actually unlistenable.

[ArcLite]

Haha, that makes me want to listen to it. So I'm assuming this one was released under the Rhapsody of Fire name?

[Deth]

Yeah. Take everything that was great about Rhapsody (speed, solos and kickass choruses) and replace it with string sections and voice overs and you have the new album.

Oh and ballads. Way too many ballads.

[Cocaine]

There's maybe 3 minutes of up tempo music on the album.

Christopher Lee is still badass though.

[Deth]

Yeah, there is no denying that.

[Lord Abortion]

The Misery by Sonata Arctica is one of the best songs EVER

[pate]

I've never been able to like them. I believe I am the only person on the planet who is not in love with them.

[Shattered_Future]

Well, you fail then.

I didn't like Rhapsody's new album one bit. Too slow.

[CaptainWaits]

I didn't like Rhapsody's new album one bit. Too slow.
I agree. Sounds a lot like Turilli's solo material too, which I find to be pretty terrible.

I've got a quick question....is Angra's "Rebirth" a really good album, or how good is it??

[Stormrider]

I've never been able to like them. I believe I am the only person on the planet who is not in love with them.

Nope, you're not alone. I had one album which I never got into much, so I deleted it.

[ArcLite]

I've got a quick question....is Angra's "Rebirth" a really good album, or how good is it??

Yes, it is indeed very good. Get it.

[Iron Bars]

I have heard some Sonata Arctica but never found them more then just over avarage.

/Starts listening to Firewind again.

[MetalOz]

Kamelot!

I just got One Cold Winter's Night. It is really good. The live version of the songs are great and there are guest appearanes from Thomas Youngblood's wife doing the female vocals on some songs, Simone Simons of Epica does her parts on The Haunting, Snowy Shaw does Shagrath's parts on March of Mephisto, and Sascha Paeth makes an appearance playing guitar on one song as well. They have 3 live backup vocalists (so much cooler than samples). Apparently the keyboardist, Oliver Palotai is now officialy part of the band (and damn good) I still haven't checked out the 2nd disc...

/breaks out entire discography to re-listen

[pate]

That sounds awesome!

I still roffle at Snowy doing vocals in Therion. It's almost like if they got Nicko McBrain to replace Tarja :lol::lol:

EDIT: Thing is, his vocals are completely awesome.

[Shattered_Future]

I like Snowy regardless of what he's doing. He could be playing triangle, for ****s sake, and he'd still make it one of the most metal triangle parts ever.

Kamelot has a live DVD? Sweeeet.

And I like Turilli's solo work. Up until his new album, it sounded like Rhapsody knockoff music, but the new one is a bit different and still just as good.

[ArcLite]

That sounds awesome!

I still roffle at Snowy doing vocals in Therion. It's almost like if they got Nicko McBrain to replace Tarja :lol::lol:

EDIT: Thing is, his vocals are completely awesome.

Snowy does the vocals on the new Therion album? [Is news to me if the answer is "yes"]

[pate]

...............yes. :p

[ArcLite]

I'm assuming you aquired a leak then and the album owns?

[Deth]

What Kamelot album should I look for? I've been meaning to buy one. Or should I go with the new live album? I do love live albums.

[pate]

I'm assuming you aquired a leak then and the album owns?

Yeah, it leaked two or three weeks ago. It's excellent.

[Iron Bars]

I'm assuming you aquired a leak then and the album owns?

I've been listening to it non stop for 3 weeks now. It's amazing. We could basicly skip this years top albums and just call the new Therion album of the new year.

NP: Therion - Three Treasures

[pate]

I wouldn't go that far, but I would put it in at least the top 15 of the year.

[MetalOz]

What Kamelot album should I look for? I've been meaning to buy one. Or should I go with the new live album? I do love live albums.

I think Epica is my favorite but they really don't have a bad album. Although Eternity and Dominion have a different singer and I very much prefer Khan on vocals...

[pate]

Khan is amazing.

My favorite is The Black Halo.

[ArcLite]

I also like Nothing Ever Dies, and March of Mephisto is a killer opener.

[Mother]

Manigance - L'ombre Et La Lumière Hands down has one of the best Intros ever.

[Shattered_Future]

I personally love The Black Halo the most. That's probably one of the best American power metal (hell, power metal) releases period ever.

New Therion is covered in a heaping helping of ownagesauce. I love the more almost progish feel to it.

[pate]

Khan is amazing.

As is new Therion.

[shadow_stalker]

So... i got Tarot's 'to live again' album and it owns almost all live albums ever released (except for Maiden's rock in rio). So, what tarot album you think i should get next (btw i already have suffer our pleasure)

[Stormrider]

I only have their new one, Crows Fly Black, which is very good.

I'de have to reget Suffer our Pleasures.

[Shattered_Future]

Crows Fly Black is a ridiculously badass album. Sadly, I don't have anything else by the band, save a couple of tracks from Stigmata.

Oh, and I have Suffer Our Pleasures. Which is ALSO a ridiculously badass album.

[ArcLite]

I've been meaning to check Tarot out for wuite awhile, but I can't ever seem to find any of their stuff on Soulseek.

[Stormrider]

Crows Fly Black is a ridiculously badass album. Sadly, I don't have anything else by the band, save a couple of tracks from Stigmata..

Yeah, I was really impressed by the album. Unlike when I first listened to Suffer Our Pleasures :-/

[Shattered_Future]

Yeah, I was really impressed by the album. Unlike when I first listened to Suffer Our Pleasures :-/

Maybe your badass glands have finally started releasing badass detectors into your bloodstream.

[Deth]

I personally love The Black Halo the most. That's probably one of the best American power metal (hell, power metal) releases period ever.

New Therion is covered in a heaping helping of ownagesauce. I love the more almost progish feel to it.

Uh, wow. It's so good. I could listen to The Haunting for days. Amazing, amazing album.

[Stormrider]

Maybe your badass glands have finally started releasing badass detectors into your bloodstream.

Or the new album > Suffer Our Pleasures :p

ATTN: Don't take this seriously, I don't remember anything off of SoP except the chorus to the I Rule.

[sonictheplumber]

What exactly makes a band Power Metal? All I know is that Dio made it.

[Shattered_Future]

Uh, wow. It's so good. I could listen to The Haunting for days. Amazing, amazing album.

Yeah, Kamelot is probably the best American metal band around today.

[pate]

What exactly makes a band Power Metal? All I know is that Dio made it.

Stereotypes:

High vocals
Constant double bass
Two types of songs: Metal and ballad
Bass player plays one note for the whole song
Fantasy-based lyrics
German
Gay


All of these are frequently true, except the last one.



Yeah, Kamelot is probably the best American power metal band around today.

Fix'd.

[Tyr]

Stereotypes:

High vocals
Constant double bass
Two types of songs: Metal and ballad
Bass player plays one note for the whole song
Fantasy-based lyrics
Gay


All of these are frequently true, except the last one.

You forgot that it's an advantage if they are German. :D

[pate]

Oh, you're right.

Edited :)

[Shattered_Future]

Fix'd.

Name me an American metal band that's better that ISN'T Iced Earth.

[pate]

Name me an American metal band that's better that ISN'T Iced Earth.

Aw, you had to put a restriction on it :mad:

Well, there's Jag Panzer, Solitude Aeturnus, Testament, Agalloch and Symphony X, but other than those, yes.

[Shattered_Future]

See, I knew your rampant Iced Earth fanboyism would get in the way...

Ok, Kamelot is the best American power metal band around (if you don't consider Symphony X power metal).

[pate]

Well...Jag Panzer is power metal. But Kamelot is the best American European-style power metal band.

[Deth]

I've never really enjoyed Jag Panzer. I found them terribly mediocre.

[Cocaine]

I've never really enjoyed Jag Panzer. I found them terribly mediocre.

Ditto

[pate]

I absolutely love them. King at a Price is my favorite song OAT.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Ample Destruction owns you all >:[

[Stormrider]

See, I knew your rampant Iced Earth fanboyism would get in the way...

You should just be happy I didn't get in the way. :p

And I had a phase where I listened to Ample Destruction a lot. But I havn't in a while. Decent album...about as far as it goes.

[pate]

I don't even like AD and I'm a JP fanboy.

[Shattered_Future]

I never liked Jag Panzer that much, even though Broderick has enormous chops.

[Stormrider]

True.^ Though he's not the guitarist in AD :p

Anyone else just love the chorus to Tarot's Messenger of Gods ?

[pate]

He does, and Harry has a killer voice.

[HahahitnRun]

While Jag Panzer has a bunch of kick *** songs, I've always felt that they could benefit a lot from 1 or 2 more speedier songs per album to add more diversity. Otherwise the highlights are definetly Harry's Vocals and Chris' leads.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I don't even like AD and I'm a JP fanboy.
What Jag Panzer album is best? (Other than Ample Destruction of course ;))

[pate]

IMO it's (in order) Thane to the Throne, Casting the Stones, The Age of Mastery, and The Fourth Judgement next.

HahahitnRun: Harry is great

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Okay cool. Tyler and I were trying to figure it out yesterday but the Metal-Archives reviews don't really give you a good idea :mad:

[Shattered_Future]

True.^ Though he's not the guitarist in AD :p

Anyone else just love the chorus to Tarot's Messenger of Gods ?

I think that's the worst song on the album. It seems horribly generic...

[Mother]

I just got burning point - Bring down the enemy .. I haven't heard the whole thing yet but it sounds promising.

[Iron Bars]

I got tickets to see Therion with Sabaton and Grave Digger as support acts. To bad it's still a month and a half before it starts.

[Shattered_Future]

I got tickets to see Therion with Sabaton and Grave Digger as support acts. To bad it's still a month and a half before it starts.

You're a douchebag. :mad:

I picked up One Cold Winter's Night. Great DVD...production is excellent, and the setlist is excellent too.

I also picked up Sentenced's giant DVD pack thingy of their last show ever, which I still have to check out.

[Deth]

I wanted to get that live Kamelot CD but it's pretty expensive around here.

Point being, I need more Kamelot.

[Shadows Within]

You're a douchebag. :mad:

I picked up One Cold Winter's Night. Great DVD...production is excellent, and the setlist is excellent too.

I also picked up Sentenced's giant DVD pack thingy of their last show ever, which I still have to check out.

you been listening to TSO lately?

and on the kamelot DVD is there any keyboard solos?

[Shattered_Future]

you been listening to TSO lately?

and on the kamelot DVD is there any keyboard solos?

I just went to see TSO. :cool:

And the keyboardist does take a few solos, including a solo classical piano thing that is really, really sweet.

[Shadows Within]

I just went to see TSO. :cool:

And the keyboardist does take a few solos, including a solo classical piano thing that is really, really sweet.

sweet thats what i was hoping for.

[Shattered_Future]

The band is really together too, which is ridiculously awesome. And all the guests are, of course, hotness.

Especially Simone Simons. :naughty:

[ArcLite]

You're a douchebag. :mad:

I picked up One Cold Winter's Night. Great DVD...production is excellent, and the setlist is excellent too.

I also picked up Sentenced's giant DVD pack thingy of their last show ever, which I still have to check out.

Have you heard Sentenced's newest album? I enjoy Frozen and Amok, but haven't heard much about the new one.

[MetalOz]

The band is really together too, which is ridiculously awesome. And all the guests are, of course, hotness.

Especially Simone Simons. :naughty:

Simone doing headwhips :thumb:

[Shattered_Future]

Simone doing headwhips :thumb:

Yeah, that was pretty sweet.

I haven't gotten ahold of The Funeral Album yet, but I have The Cold White Light. Not the greatest thing ever, but it's really catchy, and there's some great tunes on it.

[ACircuitShock]

Haven't been here in forever.

Anyway, got John Olivia's Pain, Maniacal Renderings today. Really damn good so far.

[LegionsofMarduk]

Been a while since I posted in this thread.

I just got Blind Guardian - A Twist In The Myth. It's fast becoming my favorite album of theirs. It's up there with Imaginations From The Other Side and Nightfall in Middle Earth. Really good.

[Fuel0262]

Been a while since I posted in this thread.

I just got Blind Guardian - A Twist In The Myth. It's fast becoming my favorite album of theirs. It's up there with Imaginations From The Other Side and Nightfall in Middle Earth. Really good.

yeah it's a great album, i love Turn the Page and Otherland

anyway, can anyone suggest some good Therion albums or songs to me? like what are their best songs?

[Iron Bars]

I'd say start with Serius B and Lemuria or Secret of the Runes. Or wait until the new one is released, thats good too (read: download the new one called Gothic Kabbalah).

[Hardhat]

anyway, can anyone suggest some good Therion albums or songs to me? like what are their best songs?

Sirius B and Lemuria are great. I like Quetzalcoatl, Son of the Sun, Dark Venus Persepone and Blood of Kingu from those CD's the best.
I got the leak of Gothic Kaballah, though, and it has tons of great songs on it too.

I just got Blind Guardian - A Twist In The Myth. It's fast becoming my favorite album of theirs. It's up there with Imaginations From The Other Side and Nightfall in Middle Earth. Really good.

I love that CD. Otherland is the epitome of epicness, and Straight Through The Mirror is probably my favorite BG song. IMO, that CD would be almost perfect if it weren't for Carry The Blessed Home.

[Deth]

I like Carry the Blessed Home myself.

[Hardhat]

Maybe it's just my prejudice against BG ballads...

I actually think the singles off that album are weak too; Another Stranger Me is decent but I don't like Fly too much. Other than that, ATITM has been making up a huge part of my listening lately.

[Deth]

I like Fly more than Another Stranger Me by a considerable margin.

Yeah, I have a soft spot for BG ballads anyway.

[Shattered_Future]

I like Fly more than Another Stranger Me by a considerable margin.

Yeah, I have a soft spot for BG ballads anyway.

Fly IS much better than ASM.

I still think the best song on that album is This Will Never End. Ridiculous.

[Deth]

Either that or Straight Through the Mirror for me.

I got Kamelot's live album today. Much headbanging ensued.

[Shattered_Future]

I love that DVD, as was actually stated on this same page. :p

GODDAMMIT NO IT'S NOT! :mad:

[Deth]

lawl, owned by page change.

[Shadows Within]

Well shattered got me curious so with my bullmoose giftcard i went out and got the Kamelot DVD and am quite horny over it, its one of the best live DVD's ive ever seen the quality and preformance are amazing, the keyboard player is also quite good.

hopefully this last me till my late christmas **** comes in to play with.

[Shattered_Future]

Honestly, I do think it's one of the best DVDs I have. Everything is fantastic.

[Shadows Within]

the only other power metal one i have is Sonata arctica's and thats pretty good too but i still like the kamelot better.

[faelun]

i just finished picking up the last dragonforce cd i didn't have, i bought that new one...inhuman rampage, i wana finish off my maiden collection next

[MetalOz]

...so about the awesomeness that is Kamelot...

Why are their songs so awesome? Is there something about their songwriting or structure that is superior to other power metal bands? I usually don't like bands with a keyboard player and a single guitarist as much as I do with 2 guitarists but Kamelot and perhaps Symphony X are exceptions... In the studio of course they can fatten up the sound with layered guitars but they are still quite awesome live!

[Shattered_Future]

For one, they are a very tight band. They know how to work off of each other very well.

I think what works majorly in their favor is the songwriting abilities of both Youngblood and Khan. Never have I heard an orchestra integrated so well with heavy metal as Kamelot does. Few can touch their greatness at that. They also know how to write DIFFERENT songs. They have VARIETY. That is one of the pitfalls of power metal, the sameyness that many bands exhibit. Kamelot does not. Even after multitudes of albums, their sound is still just as new as it was before.

Now I'm kinda pissed I missed them in September. They would have been awesome to see live.

[MetalOz]

I was supposed to see them in September also, at Jaxx in Springfield, VA but I got called out of town on business and spent the evening in a Hotel room watching X-Files re-runs instead :angry:

[Shattered_Future]

Ouch...that kinda bites.

I had a choice between them or Blind Guardian. As much as I love Kamelot, I wanted to see Blind Guardian terribly.

[Hardhat]

Blind Guardian came to my town in November, and I was dying to see them. But it was on Thanksgiving, and I couldn't go.

[Lord Tim]

Hey, guys!

Just dropping in to say hi and Happy New Year and all of that great stuff! :)

Hard at work on the new LORD album now, and arranging for Dungeon's The Final Chapter album to actually be out worldwide (long story, but it'll all make sense in a month or 2) so all of you non-Aussies can actually get the damn thing! :rolleyes:

Hope you're all well! :chug:

[Riva]

Good news, hope you had a great New Year's too, LT.

Meanwhile, you missed out on voting for Dungeon in the Top 100 Metal bands poll.

[Lord Tim]

HAHAHA! Ah well, there's always next year for LORD! :)

[Deth]

:eek: He returns!

I have converted into a full Dungeon fan since the last time you were here o' Lord Tim.

[Lord Tim]

HAHA! You have my condolences! :p

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Nice too see you again Tim.

[ACircuitShock]

I really need to get that Kamelot DVD, all I have of theres is is The Fourth Legacy and The Black Halo. They both kick huge amounts of ***.


EDIT: Oh ya, and BG live was amazing, saw them in November

[Riva]

So, Blind Guardian announced anymore Aussie tour dates? Or is it just Melbourne?

[Stoic]

Just Melbrourne. They're going to the Aussieland before they're coming to the Greekieland :(

[AA-12]

So guys, i'm getting back into PM, and am looking for albums. I really like the faster stuff with a clear speed metal influence, but still super epic :).

[Iron Bars]

Have you heard Firewind's Forged by Fire? I think it meets your demands. Also check Kamelot if you haven't. My favorite album by them would be The Fourth Legacy, but around here the Black Halo is usually pinned for best.

[AA-12]

Getting both of those as we speak. Thanks :)

[Mother]

Manigance - L'ombre et la lumière, If you dont mind Lyrics in French.

[Surtr]

Have you heard Firewind's Forged by Fire? I think it meets your demands. Also check Kamelot if you haven't. My favorite album by them would be The Fourth Legacy, but around here the Black Halo is usually pinned for best.

I can say that both of the Kamelot albums are awesome, quality Power Metal.

Anyone got any tips for some good Symphonic Power Metal? Other than Nightwish and Therion?

[Shattered_Future]

Rhapsody. Of course.

Blind Guardian's A Night At The Opera would do you good as well.

[Surtr]

I have A Night At The Opera..and it's probably my least favorite BG album.

I'll check out some Rhapsody then.

[MetalOz]

Symphony of Enchanted Lands 2 is coming out in the DU in a couple days

[Surtr]

I'll check it for sure.

[AA-12]

Rhapsody is amazing, I love them.

[Surtr]

I can't get anything by 'em, all I keep getting is Bohemian Rhapsody stuff..:angry:

[AA-12]

Search for "Dawn of Victory". It's my personal favorite album from them.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Josh: Jag Panzer - Ample Destruction

[GenuineImitation]

So guys, i'm getting back into PM, and am looking for albums. I really like the faster stuff with a clear speed metal influence, but still super epic :).

Check out Running Wild's Black Hand Inn and Savatage's Hall of the Mountain King.

[Deth]

I need some Savatage and Gamma Ray. They're bands I've had on my list for a while but haven't gotten around to yet.

[Surtr]

Ughhh..LimeWire SUCKS.

I can't get anything at all.

[AA-12]

You should get SoulSeek.

Josh: Jag Panzer - Ample Destruction
I actually have that I think, but haven't listened, haha. Jag Panzer kicks *** though so I doubt it'd be bad.
Check out Running Wild's Black Hand Inn and Savatage's Hall of the Mountain King.
BHI is great, i'll check out the latter album.

[GenuineImitation]

I need some Savatage and Gamma Ray. They're bands I've had on my list for a while but haven't gotten around to yet.

Whast your AIM? I can send you some Savatage.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I need some Savatage and Gamma Ray. They're bands I've had on my list for a while but haven't gotten around to yet.
You need Hall of The Mountain King.

That goes for you too Josh.

[Deth]

Whast your AIM? I can send you some Savatage.

My connection sucks, so I'll save you the hassle. Thanks a bunch for the offer though.

[AA-12]

I always thought Savatage was super hair metallish, but i'll get it.

[GenuineImitation]

I always thought Savatage was super hair metallish, but i'll get it.

Not hair metal at all. Whats your AIM? I can send it you, if you would like.

[AA-12]

intothenihil

thanks man.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Hair Metal? I'm not sure where you got that from :-\

[GenuineImitation]

intothenihil

thanks man.

No problem dude.

I have been trying to find some Wuthering Heights. I know Alex always talks about them, but never got a chance to listen to them. What album should I start with?

[AA-12]

Hair Metal? I'm not sure where you got that from :-\

Haha, I thought I had an album before from them that was hair metal, but guess not. Probably some other band.

[Burger Bike]

I really love Alogia - Secret spheres of art

[Riva]

Savatage -had- a couple of hair metal moments, but Wake Of Magellan, The Hall Of The Mountain King, Edge Of Thorns, etc, are all pretty heavy/power metallish.

[Iron Bars]

No problem dude.

I have been trying to find some Wuthering Heights. I know Alex always talks about them, but never got a chance to listen to them. What album should I start with?

The last 2 albums are both very good. Far from the Maddening Crowd is probably still my favorite though the new one, The Shadow Cabinet, is also great.

[GenuineImitation]

The last 2 albums are both very good. Far from the Maddening Crowd is probably still my favorite though the new one, The Shadow Cabinet, is also great.

I'll check those out. Thanks alot.

[MetalOz]

I need some suggestions for atypical power/traditional or power/prog bands. I have many many albums of bands that are all kind of blending together into generic stuff and I'm looking for standouts. My favorite stuff at the moment is Kamelot and Stormental... any suggestions?

[Shattered_Future]

Atypical? Try some Sonata Arctica. They do traditional neoclassicalish power metal very nicely.

You could try either Oceanborn or Wishmaster by Nightwish as well.

[MetalOz]

I have Sonata Arctica's discography already and I already have those Nightwish albums as well, but thanks for trying :thumb: I might try something thrashier. The latest Winters Bane, Communic, and Nevermore have been getting a lot of play lately as well...

[pate]

Winters Bane :chug:

[MetalOz]

I just discovered another German band that have been around forever and I had never heard them... PARAGON

I got The Dark Legacy and it's great traditional/power stuff. Of course it has to be since it was produced by Piet Sielck (Iron Savior)

Any other fans?

/bump, third page!

[Riva]

I saw a Paragon album once, but I didn't pick it up for reasons that escape me at the moment. I'll look into it again... Sounds like Iron Saviour?

[Lunarfall]

Someone recommend me a Rhapsody of Fire album. Preferably the best one in your opinion.

Btw, what does Demons and Wizards sound like? Blind Guardian?

[Stormrider]

Demons and Wizards has some of Jon's(Iced Earth) signature riffing. And Hansi's vocals over it basicly(some changes obviously). If you like either band, I'm sure you'll like Demons and Wizards :)

[Lunarfall]

Demons and Wizards has some of Jon's(Iced Earth) signature riffing. And Hansi's vocals over it basicly(some changes obviously). If you like either band, I'm sure you'll like Demons and Wizards :)Alright, i'll pick it up after I get Symphony X's The Odyssey, which I can never find. :mad:

So, any Rhapsody of Fire recommendations?

[GenuineImitation]

Alright, i'll pick it up after I get Symphony X's The Odyssey, which I can never find. :mad:

So, any Rhapsody of Fire recommendations?


I would recommend Symphony of Enchanted Lands II, but thats the only one I have.

PS. That Symphony X albums is godly.

[Stormrider]

I don't think I ever got myself through all of the Odyssey(song) :-/

[pate]

ITT: Jammie loses respect.

no, not rly :p

Oz: I don't really like Paragon.

[MetalOz]

I only have the one album and it's quite good... haven't heard any of their early material but their last few albums were all produced by Piet Sielck so I'm guessing they'll have that same vibe...

Everything by Symphony X = :thumb:

[Tyr]

Everything by Symphony X = :thumb:

You've got that right, my friend.

[Stormrider]

I should really listen to more of them though. As I realy like the songs I have.

[Riva]

Meh, I like Symphony X, but there is symphonic/progressive power metal out there that I like a lot more.

[Thasis]

They're alright, not my favorite not my least favorite. Their a middle band for me. Now Kamelot, that's an amazing band. A bit bland at times, but they pull off AMAZING live preformances, and are realy talented musicians.

[Shattered_Future]

Kamelot is going to play in my town 8 days after my birthday. Which means I have a fighting chance to go see them live. :cool:

Symphony X is amazing. Even more so live. They were probably the best live experience I've ever had. Russell Allen has an uncanny ability to make you pay attention to everything he does.

[Stormrider]

I'de definitely like to see them live ^(Symphony X). He does have an amazing voice.

As for Kamelot, another band that I like what I heard, but I havn't dug any further :-/ ...I really should.

[MetalOz]

Kamelot is going to play in my town 8 days after my birthday. Which means I have a fighting chance to go see them live. :cool:

Symphony X is amazing. Even more so live. They were probably the best live experience I've ever had. Russell Allen has an uncanny ability to make you pay attention to everything he does.

Wait, Kamelot near you means Kamelot near me... scours the Jaxx calendar...August 17th with Leaves Eyes :thumb:

And I've seen Symphony X a couple times, they're great live! Russell Allen used to be a narrator at Medieval Times, he had a broadsword on their tour bus and he was forced to leave it at the border when crossing into Canada :smash: THey had to go way outa their way when coming back into teh USA to pick up his sword :lol:

[GenuineImitation]

Kamelot is going to play in my town 8 days after my birthday. Which means I have a fighting chance to go see them live. :cool:

Symphony X is amazing. Even more so live. They were probably the best live experience I've ever had. Russell Allen has an uncanny ability to make you pay attention to everything he does.

When and where is the Kamelot show?

[MetalOz]

Aug 17th West Springfield, VA Jaxx
Aug 18th Poughkeepsie, NY The Chance Theater
Aug 19th New York, NY B.B. Kings

[GenuineImitation]

Aug 17th West Springfield, VA Jaxx
Aug 18th Poughkeepsie, NY The Chance Theater
Aug 19th New York, NY B.B. Kings

Hopefully I'll be able to make the BB King one.

[pate]

And I've seen Symphony X a couple times, they're great live! Russell Allen used to be a narrator at Medieval Times, he had a broadsword on their tour bus and he was forced to leave it at the border when crossing into Canada :smash: THey had to go way outa their way when coming back into teh USA to pick up his sword :lol:

Russell Allen is the **** in every way possible.

[leomondaine]

i hate kamelot, the guys in the band are total dicks

[pate]

How so?

[GenuineImitation]

i hate kamelot, the guys in the band are total dicks

I am very curious as well.

[MetalOz]

I hate when someone comes into a thread to bash a band but doesn't offer anything to back up their opinion... maybe his girlfriend got backstage with Khan :naughty:

[pate]

:lol: Oz

[MetalOz]

I have been trying to find some Wuthering Heights.
I upped Far From the Maddening Crowd in the DU so what did you think?

[Shattered_Future]

Hopefully I'll be able to make the BB King one.

That's the one I'm trying for.

I realized Khan is almost the spitting image of one of my friends. It's freaking scary...

I wish Epica was touring with Kamelot again. I mean, Leaves' Eyes aren't terrible (they did a decent job opening for BG), but I WANT SIMONE SIMONS! :mad:

[Riva]

I wish Blind Guardian were doing more than oen Aussie tourdate.

[Stormrider]

Will you be going ?

[MetalOz]

So I heard a couple songs off of 'The Final Chapter' on Dungeon's myspace. Everyone should check it out, Pariah is the coolest...
http://www.myspace.com/dungeonmetal

[Deth]

Hopefully I'll be able to actually find a Dungeon album in stores when it comes out.

[Riva]

Nah, I can't afford to fly to Melbourne, it's way aways from Cairns, Jammie. :p

Yeah, I checked those out ages ago, Pariah rocks.

[Stormrider]

Nah, I can't afford to fly to Melbourne, it's way aways from Cairns, Jammie. :p.

Damn, that sucks. I didn't know what city you lived in :p

[ExitWound]

Just an update on one of the best bands out of Germany. Wizard's new concept album Goochan will be released this coming week. Until then, enjoy a few samples of their work! Sounds much much more professional than Magic Circle, more along the lines of Odin.

http://www.legion-of-doom.de/downloads.php

[Lord Tim]

Hopefully I'll be able to actually find a Dungeon album in stores when it comes out.

If you can't get it locally, grab it from the Dungeon webstore: http://www.dungeon.cd/store/ :)

We're working on getting it released outside of Australia now. Let's just say there are some changes afoot with how things are currently being done which will hopefully make getting that and future LORD releases a lot easier worldwide. :)

[MetalOz]

I've gotten Dungeon stuff from The End Records, they have an embedded player on their site so it's easy to listen to samples. The prices aren't bad either...The Final Chapter is $11.99US compared to on Amazon for $23.49...

So Lord Tim, how do we get into your good graces to get an add on myspace? It said I had to know your last name or email address and the last name that I entered was incorrect :(
metaloz@yahoo.com or if you could initiate a request it's http://www.myspace.com/nightmareiii

[Lord Tim]

Not a prob, dude! :)

[MetalOz]

Awesome, thanks! Now how to get you to consider doing vocals on my songwriting competition entry... :O

[Riva]

Yeah, LT, can you add me too? I tried adding you, and the last name/email thing rejected me also.

myspace.com/heavyriva

[MetalOz]

I would say that he's been holding out on us about the side projects but I guess I should've looked on myspace sooner. Frombeyond sounds very cool and now I have to pick up an Ilium album :)

[Deth]

I've gotten Dungeon stuff from The End Records, they have an embedded player on their site so it's easy to listen to samples. The prices aren't bad either...The Final Chapter is $11.99US compared to on Amazon for $23.49...


That sounds good, thanks for the tip.

[Lord Tim]

Yeah, heaps of side projects in the works. Got the new Ilium album out this year and the new Frombeyond should be out sometime soon too (man, you should hear the guitar playing on that - Mark is a FREAK!), plus an 80s hard rock / AOR project, a LORD live DVD and of course the new LORD album... so pretty full-on! HAHA!

There's a couple of other things like studios being built and movie soundtracks, etc. so yeah... pretty busy! :)

[GenuineImitation]

Nightwish is pretty much done recording their new album. They just need to pick a replacement from a large pool of candidates (I believe 2000) and do the vocals. Do you guys think the new singer will match up or surpass Tarja?

[pate]

I won't believe the person will be as good until I hear it.

[Shattered_Future]

Considering Tarja was a fairly average soprano, and there's THOUSANDS of classical sopranos out there, I'm sure their replacement will be more than worthy. I think people will reject the band because the singer may sound different, but I have high hopes (teehee) for where the band is going.

[Cocaine]

I hated Tarja's voice.

[Apocalypticon]

Me too. But I didn't like anything else about Nightwish either.

[Riva]

Yeah, heaps of side projects in the works. Got the new Ilium album out this year and the new Frombeyond should be out sometime soon too (man, you should hear the guitar playing on that - Mark is a FREAK!), plus an 80s hard rock / AOR project, a LORD live DVD and of course the new LORD album... so pretty full-on! HAHA!

There's a couple of other things like studios being built and movie soundtracks, etc. so yeah... pretty busy! :)

I checked out Ilium ages ago, based on either seeing it on Dungeon's website or from a reference by you, awesome stuff.

[Lord Tim]

If anyone is interested, you can check out Ilium at:

http://www.myspace.com/iliummetal

and Frombeyond at:

http://www.myspace.com/frombeyondoz

:)

[Stormrider]

I finally bought a Demons and Wizards album ! Their self titled. About time.

So good.

[Stoic]

I've got the digipack edition. Such a shame I don't like it :-\

[Stormrider]

There's a digipack to the self titled ? :-/ I thought it was only Crimson King...

But yeah, I remember you in the past saying you didn't like Demons and Wizards :mad:

[Stoic]

yeah, it must the Iced Earth influence =)

Here are some pics of the digipack edition:
http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a193/StormWarrior/?action=view&current=DSC00396.jpg
http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a193/StormWarrior/?action=view&current=DSC00397.jpg
http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a193/StormWarrior/?action=view&current=DSC00401.jpg

[Stormrider]

Ohhh, pop up Reaper :p

And quiet with the "must be the Iced Earth Influence"! I should send you those songs I said I'de send you like ages ago. You need to hear some more IE.

:p

[Stoic]

Now you're really late Jammie. It's the most inappropriate time, I'm busy getting into classic rock. And goth.

[Stormrider]

Darn. Well, when you want them, just ask. I doubt you ever will but hey! I'll just randomly send them one day.

[Stoic]

>_>

/blocks twinky :D

EDIT
Seriously, I wouldn't say no to a song of yours though. Remember the ones who had sent me? Have you written some more?

EDIT2
Don't worry, I'm not stealing them :mad:
(you think!)

[Stormrider]

It's called an email, Stoicy :p

Pfft, it's not like you're ever on anyways

dont bock jammie :-(

[pate]

I too have the s/t digipak.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I like Demons & Wizards' self-titled more than Blind Guardian and Iced Earth.

[Lord Tim]

I never got into D&W myself and I'm actually not sure why.

I love BG and I like IE, and a combination of bombastic BG choruses with the heaviness of IE sounds like it would kill... but the actual result always felt like left over BG material rather than the best work of a hybrid band.

Maybe I should give it another shot and see if I feel differently now, but that was the feeling I got when I heard it the first few times...

[Luc214]

I never got into D&W myself and I'm actually not sure why.

I love BG and I like IE, and a combination of bombastic BG choruses with the heaviness of IE sounds like it would kill... but the actual result always felt like left over BG material rather than the best work of a hybrid band.

Maybe I should give it another shot and see if I feel differently now, but that was the feeling I got when I heard it the first few times...

I think Demons & Wizards is good, but not as good as Blind Guardian and Iced Earth separate.

[Cocaine]

I think they're all overrated.

[Stormrider]

I think they're all overrated.

I think you suck :p

Heaven Denies has such an amazing chorus. Just wow.


Seriously, I wouldn't say no to a song of yours though. Remember the ones who had sent me? Have you written some more?

EDIT2
Don't worry, I'm not stealing them
(you think!)

Oops, just read the edits. Yeah, I remember the ones I sent. And I have written more. Though it's different to the stuff I've sent you. Remember the one you said which had a Death influence, well I kind of edited that one a bit. Didn't change anything that was there, just will be adding stuff...like Keyboards. I use more keyboards/choir these days. Actually, I use a lot heh. Of course the obvious IE influence is still there :p ...I can send one I guess. Don't steal them :mad:

/paranoid :upset:

[Eliminator]

oMg PoWeR mEtAl

[MetalOz]

Anybody follow Savage Circus? Apparently the touring version of the band was basically Iron Savior with the guitarist and vocalist from Persuader but apparently Thomen is back behind the kit now, good news! I think Persuader, Savage Circus, and Iron Savior should tour together since they are all in each other's bands and throw Blind Guardian in as the headliner since SC and Persuader both sound very much like old BG

[Deth]

What Iron Savior should I look for while we're on the subject?

[MetalOz]

Condition Red and Bettering Ram are the ones I have, both good

[CaptainWaits]

There this guy on a local metal forum that's selling some sweet power metal (from what I know) at a reasonable price. I've already met up with him and bought 4 CD's at $10 each....

Angra - Hunters And Prey
Angra - Rebirth
Bal-Sagoth - The Power Comsic
Edguy - Hellfire Club


Now the CD's were in great condition, and I'm interested in maybe meeting up with him again and buying some more, however, I don't know much about some of the other artists. So here's the list of what he has left (and what I don't have).....


Annihilator – Carnival Diablos
At Vance – The Evil In You
Avantasia – The Metal Opera
Brainstorm – Soul Temptation
Freedom Call – Crystal Empire
Gamma Ray – Somewhere Out in Space
Gamma Ray – No World Order
Heavenly – Sign of the Winner
Insania – Sunrise in Riverland
Imperanon – Stained
Mob Rules – Savage Land
Nocturnal Rites – New World Messiah
Sinergy – Suicide By My Side
Sonata Arctica – Reckoning Day
Stratovarius – Infinite Visions (DVD)


So I ask, which of those would be a good buy??

[Stoic]

1. Gamma Ray – Somewhere Out in Space (++)
2. Brainstorm – Soul Temptation
3. Avantasia – The Metal Opera
4. Freedom Call – Crystal Empire

PS Of course, try to listen to some samples first ;)
PS2 I'm not familiar with all the bands/albums you posted.

[CaptainWaits]

I was thinking of getting Somehwere out in Space, and I already have The Metal Opera Part II....so I'm not so sure I want the first one...

But what are the Brainstorm and Freedom Call like?? Just a brief sentence or so would be sweet :). Similarities, etc.

[Stoic]

Well Freedom Call are your typical cheesy euro-power with happy choirs but I remember liking it because it was catchy in the way Avantasia is. Love it or hate it band.

Brainstorm are aggressive power metal, no cheesiness here. Heavy guitars, rough vocals in the vain of Barlow and tasteful, sometimes almost prog sounding keys. Sound like a less technical metallica (MoP) and a more modern straight forward Iced Earth, but these comparisons are rather vague since nothing better comes to my mind :-\ Sometimes they sound a bit too generic to me but they have their moments.

Definitely get the Gamma Ray but think twice about the other two, especially Freedom Call. You can always save money for a slough feg album <3. Or Cage \m/

Are you still on dial up? If so I could name you a couple of sites where you could hear some samples...

[Stormrider]

Brainstorm are aggressive power metal, no cheesiness here. Heavy guitars, rough vocals in the vain of Barlow and tasteful, sometimes almost prog sounding keys. Sound like a less technical metallica (MoP) and a more modern straight forward Iced Earth, but these comparisons are rather vague since nothing better comes to my mind :-\ Sometimes they sound a bit too generic to me but they have their moments.

ooo, sounds interesting. :-) :P

I havn't checked out new Power Metal bands in a long time. I should start by getting a Manowar album or something :p

[MetalOz]

That Annihilator album is good, probably their best one since 93... but it's more thrahs than power metal...

[Stoic]

Annihilator! I didn't care about them after Alice in Hell. They're not discussed too much either for some reason.

[CaptainWaits]

Are you still on dial up? If so I could name you a couple of sites where you could hear some samples...
Yeh, I'm still stuck with this wonderful dial-up :(
That Annihilator album is good, probably their best one since 93... but it's more thrahs than power metal...
Yeh, I like some Thrash too (Overkill's still my favorite metal band), but I was never huge into Annihilator. Is that one kind of similar to new Testament with the agreesion and heaviness?


And another question about the Gamma Ray.....what are the best songs from it, because I do have "A Blast From the Past" by them, which is a compilation of re-recorded songs.

[Stoic]

Basically, it's a very good compilation and I think the fans chose the songs. It's all good, no complaints. If you want specific recommendations try for example:Heading for Tomorrow, Lust for Life, Man on a Mission and Send me a Sign.

Yeh, I'm still stuck with this wonderful dial-up

Dude, I had been on dial from 1998 to 2005. I used to discover music through 30 second samples:
http://www.cduniverse.com
http://www.last.fm/explore/

[Lord Abortion]

Get the Nocturnal Rites one...it's absolutely excellent, one of myalltime favourite albums, catchier than AIDS and the common cold mixed together.

[Shattered_Future]

I'm personally partial to the Sonata Arctica one (it's called Reckoning NIGHT, not Day). Love that album.

[Stormrider]

That's the album I downloaded from them a while back...well, I ended up deleting it so... :p

Get the Nocturnal Rites one...it's absolutely excellent, one of myalltime favourite albums, catchier than AIDS and the common cold mixed together.

Sounds cool. I mean in a way that I should check it out...

[Stoic]

Jammie, listen to this band: http://www.myspace.com/airgedlamh6 They're supposed to play power metal in the vein of BG and Iced Earth. They have doom and folk touches too.

[Stormrider]

Jammie, listen to this band: http://www.myspace.com/airgedlamh6 They're supposed to play power metal in the vein of BG and Iced Earth. They have doom and folk touches too.

Okay, will do. Thanks. :) ...I'll come back and say what I think after. I still havn't listened to that song you sent me though...neither those bands you mentioned to me :(

/fails

[Stoic]

Meh big deal Jammie. I know you've got tons of music to listen to, you don't need to feel obliged to listen to the stuff everyone sends you :p

[Stormrider]

Meh, not many people send me stuff anyway. But I will listen to the song you sent and bands you recommended. Just give it some time :p

[Deth]

I didn't find Reckoning Night that appealing, but I really enjoy Winterheart's Guild.

[CaptainWaits]

Can anyone say anything about these artists in the list?:

At Vance
Heavenly
Insania
Mob Rules

^^Those are the bands I know nothing about....so I'm most curious about those.

[Shattered_Future]

I didn't find Reckoning Night that appealing, but I really enjoy Winterheart's Guild.

I'm the opposite. I thought Winterheart's Guild was a bit lame (aside from The Cage and Victoria's Secret...maybe Gravenimage if I'm in the right mood), and Reckoning Night to be their masterpiece.

[Stoic]

At Vance

Yes! They've covered Abba's Money Money :D

[MetalOz]

Can anyone say anything about these artists in the list?:

Heavenly


They're quality power metal, I have Dust to Dust and Virus, both very good, sounding quite like Helloween on some songs...

[Shattered_Future]

I never liked Heavenly too much...I think they rip off Rhapsody a bit on quite a few of their songs.

[CaptainWaits]

Well, from that list I posted, these are the 5 I bought:

Brainstorm - Soul Temptation
Gamma Ray - Somwhere Out In Space
Heavenly - Sign of the Winner
Insania - Sunrise In Riverland
Nocturnal Rites - New World Messiah

^I'm liking them all, besides Brainstorm. I've only listened to the first couple tracks, but they weren't doing it for me. I'll give it a full spin later and see if I change my mind. The Gamma Ray and Nocturnal Rites are currently my favorites...

[Stoic]

Damn, Brainstorm are my fault :upset:

[ExitWound]

For everyone interested, Wizard's new disc GOOCHAN is available for streaming on my website. Please, don't link to it from other sites or I'll be forced to remove it. That is, if anyone out there besides me listens to them. ;)

http://www.theexitwound.com

[Stoic]

Dude. I had heard Odin and Head of the Deceiver back in the day and they sound much different now. More "modern". Less speed. :-\

[CaptainWaits]

Damn, Brainstorm are my fault :upset:
Heh....no worry. They were all in near mint condition, and only 10 bucks each. The day before I won 40 bucks in poker.....so the way I look at it, I didn't loose anything :)

Worst comes to worse, I could sell it to my local CD sotre for $6 bucks.....but I like it enough to keep it, for now.

[pate]

I like Brainstorm.

[Riva]

Brainstorm are awesome, and that's a good album by them too.

[pate]

The first two or three tracks on Liquid Monster are better, but after that LM goes to hell, while ST stays solid.

[Stoic]

I own Ambiguity which I dislike but I liked what I heard off Soul Temptation. I think this is how Brainstorm are supposed to sound like.

[CaptainWaits]

hmmm, maybe I'm not giving them a good enough listen. What do you guys think really stands out about them?

[Stoic]

Not playing cheesy euro power maybe? :(

[CaptainWaits]

Not playing cheesy euro power maybe? :(
Heh, yeh that's one reason why I wanted to give them the go. They bore me though. They're riffs aren't to interesting, and they all sound similar.....and the drum patterns are very very dull and don't change up to much. The singer's decent, but he doesn't make the band much more interesting.

I'll give it a full spin tonight, and see if my thoughts change...

[Stoic]

I told you to save your money for Slough Feg :upset:

[CaptainWaits]

I told you to save your money for Slough Feg :upset:
Hey, right when I ever see one of those floating around somewhere's, I'm sure I'll get it. I'd do that with a lot of CD's. The problem is availability.

[Stoic]

http://www.evillegendrecords.com -->all you need.

[CaptainWaits]

So how do you order then??

[Stoic]

Email me:
1. Name and Address
2. Your order
3. Your method of payment

I accept Paypal (with 5% fee), Money Orders, and US CASH.

I haven't purchased anything because it's a US based label and I wouldn't bother with the proccess and all (I have euros he takes dollars). It's a reliable place, take a look at Metal-Rules trading bored and you'll see he's got a pretty good name. I don't have a credit card or paypal or bank account so whenever I bought an album from abroad I sent hidden cash (old school way).

[Riva]

Heh, I prefer using Amazon.com, even though the range is fairly poor at times, and I do get raped on price a lot.