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Ad Absurdum
08-19-2005, 08:16 AM
I got an Arcturus track off Sideshow Symphonies in a sampler CD with Terrorizer today, it sounds like the final version (very good in other words); I'll edit in an upload in a couple of minutes.

Edit - Nevermind, the CD is protected :upset:

Stoic
08-19-2005, 08:21 AM
^yay :D

br3ad man and slapping penguin, do you consider yourselves knowledgable enough on the christianity matter? If so please add me to your MSN. I have a few questions but keep in mind I'm viewing christianity strictly from a philosophical point.

Magicaltroll
08-19-2005, 08:52 AM
No, I wasnt talking to you. Thats why I said, "general 'you'" b/c i meant everyone, not YOU.

As a side note, there is no proof that the biblical Jesus of Nazareth existed. In fact, there is quite a bit of proof that he is just a fabrication of the church.

I'll be gone for 3 days. Going on vacation.
What "proof" do you have?
Just wondering. I'm not being a dick or anything :p

And I just wanna share that I am a Christian. I'm a noob though, because before I went to a camp (3 weeks ago), I was an Atheist you could say. It really opened my eyes, and showed me something was out there.

the2stranger
08-19-2005, 09:05 AM
I don't have trouble with anyone following a religion to find stregth,it's only that people shouldn't overdo it

np: Disillusion - And The Mirror Cracked

Magicaltroll
08-19-2005, 09:07 AM
I don't have trouble with anyone following a religion to find stregth,it's only that people shouldn't overdo it

np: Disillusion - And The Mirror Cracked
What do you mean overdo it?

Stoic
08-19-2005, 09:12 AM
What do you mean overdo it?

being either fatalists (believe everything is god's will and do nothing to change their lives) or being dogmatist (take everything for granted and deny hearing other views).

Arrakakaka
08-19-2005, 09:16 AM
Mmm but its scary because those BAD christains (as the majority are good.... mabye not in America well from what I have seen) if put in the same postion as say the Iraqi Muslism fundamentlist would they kill innocent people and blow themselves up? My I think all christains should be like my mum!
The bad ones would be the extreme conservative ones right?

NP - Iniquity - "The Bullet's Breath"

Arrakakaka
08-19-2005, 09:19 AM
'Reroute To Remain' and 'Soundtrack To Your Escape' is just heavy metal or something else. 'Whoracle' and 'Colony' are melodic-death metal.
Yeah. You're right there. They're becoming more nü-metal actually..

NP: Sunn 0))) - "Bow I"

manuscriptreplica
08-19-2005, 09:24 AM
Metalfan did you download the Miasma off me? if not get it not!

Np Miasma - Schizophrenia

Stoic
08-19-2005, 09:34 AM
Metalfan did you download the Miasma off me? if not get it not!

Np Miasma - Schizophrenia

I've tried quite a few times to download but it always says it's remotely queued :(

manuscriptreplica
08-19-2005, 09:42 AM
hmmmmm.... if you want it now i'll delete all the other uploads.

Lefty
08-19-2005, 10:24 AM
Seer's Tear are perhaps even more esoteric, they started off as a doom band (MDB guitarist Hamish Glencross was in them and vocalist Stoy was in Solstice for a time) and the demos reflect this but "Precious", their only album, is very much more progressive. I'll admit to being a bit of an obsessive fan - "Precious" is probably my fabourite album by a UK artist! And yes I'm including Sabbath, Maiden etc etc! Not bad for a relatively unkown band who released one album on an obscure label!

Sorry for bringing up such an old post, but I'm rarely on here. Can't hold the pace of this thread! Do you know of any distro's who has Seer's Tear in stock?

Deathcrush
08-19-2005, 10:36 AM
I don't have trouble with anyone following a religion to find stregth,it's only that people shouldn't overdo it

I disagree entirely.

Much the same way as I hate vegitarianism, but respect vegans ultimately more than 'vegitarians', I think that if you are to follow Christianity, then follow ****ing Christianity.

Idiots who label themselves Christian, then complain about the 'strict rules' of the religion are worthless.

eg, "I'm a Christian, but I love to listen to Christ-Raping Black Metal, and I have pre-marital sex and get drunk every weekend. I break the majority of the Ten Commands, but hey, I'm Christian, so God forgives me!"

Doesn't mean to say that genuine Christians aren't worthless either, mind you.

the2stranger
08-19-2005, 10:42 AM
I disagree entirely.

Much the same way as I hate vegitarianism, but respect vegans much more than 'vegitarians', I think that if you are to follow Christianity, then follow ****ing Christianity.

Idiots who label themselves Christian, then complain about the 'strict rules' of the religion are worthless. Ugh.

Doesn't mean to say that genuine Christians aren't worthless either, mind you.

people should indeed take thier religion serious, and if they don't want to, there is little reason to hold on to the religion indeed.

but that are some people how miss-interpret the religion ( tha's what I meant by over-doing it) or who do not, but I dislike the way they follow their religion because it is too far away from my own ideals believes and values.

I wonder why I even took part in the religion discussion of the last few pages cause I don't feel like talking about it right now :p


so anyone up for some good metal?

Death - Leprosy \m/

Jondur
08-19-2005, 10:49 AM
I disagree entirely.

Much the same way as I hate vegitarianism, but respect vegans ultimately more than 'vegitarians', I think that if you are to follow Christianity, then follow ****ing Christianity.

Idiots who label themselves Christian, then complain about the 'strict rules' of the religion are worthless.

eg, "I'm a Christian, but I love to listen to Christ-Raping Black Metal, and I have pre-marital sex and get drunk every weekend. I break the majority of the Ten Commands, but hey, I'm Christian, so God forgives me!"

Doesn't mean to say that genuine Christians aren't worthless either, mind you.

Good points but as the real ideology of Christianity has become distorted through time it's more than likely that those who are ultra-orthodox may well be following the wrong path.

I'm a vegetarian by the way. I can probably live without your respect.

Deathcrush
08-19-2005, 11:02 AM
I'm a vegetarian by the way. I can probably live without your respect.

:lol: I'm friends with alot of vegetarians. I'm basically vegitarian, but not for any moral reasons. I just feel quite sick knowing that I'm chewing on "burnt bird carcass" (as I said at the dinner table last Christmas).

I meant the vegitarians who go by the whole "I am vegitarian, therefore a better, more caring and morally correct person than you".

Also, for many vegitarians, it's all about sympathy for the animals used for human consumption. Yet, they will still drink milk/eat cheese etc. despite the fact that the animals used for dairy products etc. are forced into a much more horrible life than the ones used for meat.

Obviously this doesn't apply to all vegitarians, me nearly being one myself, but you should catch my drift.

/is about to consume some chicken

I've went and put myself into a non-meat-eating state of mind now.

Burnt bird carcass. :(

/shivers

Magicaltroll
08-19-2005, 11:53 AM
I disagree entirely.

Much the same way as I hate vegitarianism, but respect vegans ultimately more than 'vegitarians', I think that if you are to follow Christianity, then follow ****ing Christianity.

Idiots who label themselves Christian, then complain about the 'strict rules' of the religion are worthless.

eg, "I'm a Christian, but I love to listen to Christ-Raping Black Metal, and I have pre-marital sex and get drunk every weekend. I break the majority of the Ten Commands, but hey, I'm Christian, so God forgives me!"

Doesn't mean to say that genuine Christians aren't worthless either, mind you.
I agree entirely.
But I don't think music really has MUCH to do with your faith in God...
As long as you don't take the music personally. I mean, I know it's not really good to do (listen to the music I do), but I'm trying to somewhat tone down my music taste to non-"anti-christian" music, but in metal, that's kinda hard :p

I'm still working on my "christian walk" as most people call it around here. Alot of habits are hard to break. Like cursing, and lust and stuff like that. But I'm progressing :thumb:

Taste_My_Scythe
08-19-2005, 11:56 AM
:lol: I'm friends with alot of vegetarians. I'm basically vegitarian, but not for any moral reasons. I just feel quite sick knowing that I'm chewing on "burnt bird carcass" (as I said at the dinner table last Christmas).

I meant the vegitarians who go by the whole "I am vegitarian, therefore a better, more caring and morally correct person than you".

Also, for many vegitarians, it's all about sympathy for the animals used for human consumption. Yet, they will still drink milk/eat cheese etc. despite the fact that the animals used for dairy products etc. are forced into a much more horrible life than the ones used for meat.

Obviously this doesn't apply to all vegitarians, me nearly being one myself, but you should catch my drift.

/is about to consume some chicken

I've went and put myself into a non-meat-eating state of mind now.

Burnt bird carcass. :(

/shivers

Agreed. When did this turn into the vegitarian thread? :lol:
I'm one myself, but I try to lean more vegan if I can.

the2stranger
08-19-2005, 12:00 PM
I love meat, nothing beats a nice juicy steak IMO.
I love death metal too, so let's discuss that more ;)

np: Solefald - Speed Increased To Scaffold

LegionsofMarduk
08-19-2005, 12:28 PM
mmm...steak. Rare enough that a good vet could still save the cow it came from! :lol:

ummm...yeah. getting back to death metal...ah hell. I got nothin. :upset:

Vortigon
08-19-2005, 12:29 PM
Hey, sorry to anyone waiting on Entombed uploads, and also the several people I haven't answered when they've PMed me on soulseek. I've just been partying too **** hard and haven't been here.

That Mortem song kicked major arse, so nice one whoever it was.

I will sort out teh 'tombed tomorrow.

NP: Nihilist - Abnormally Deceased

Jon, you were right, this is visceral stuff.

Rothmans
08-19-2005, 12:47 PM
Well on the religion side of things I was strongly christian once and it was an amazing point in my life.


I am not gonna get into it because it was a personnal and strange time for me.

But when I look back the people there try to break your spirit and make you sing songs about jesus they give you horrible conditions to break you down and make you believe in god its strange.

lightningmetal666
08-19-2005, 01:07 PM
Well on the religion side of things I was strongly christian once and it was an amazing point in my life.


I am not gonna get into it because it was a personnal and strange time for me.

But when I look back the people there try to break your spirit and make you sing songs about jesus they give you horrible conditions to break you down and make you believe in god its strange.


Yeah, the same thing happened to me. I got out of that crap as quick as I could.

I once scared away a jehova's witness that came to my door. I happened to be wearing all black that day (black slayer shirt, black jeans, my hair being black) and when I saw them coming I quickly popped an alkaseltzer in my mouth, rolled my eyes back and opened the door saying, "SATAN WANTS YOUR SOUL :evil:. " :lol: :lol: :lol:

They heard what I said and saw the alkaseltzer causing my mouth to foam and they got the f**k out of there in a hurry.

Stoic
08-19-2005, 01:14 PM
:lol: that's the spirit!

Stevie
08-19-2005, 01:22 PM
Right opinion?

Get over your self, seriously. It is quite disguisting to see some one think so highly of their opinions that they think they are they are right and every one else is wrong.

Grow the **** up and show some maturity when it comes to opinions.

NP - Behemoth - Horns Ov Baphomet

You are flawed, since you are your own enemy. Your opinion is that there is no right or wrong music choice, yet you see that to see that this "opinion" right or wrong. Well, that's contradictory! By the way - nobody could give a flying fukc what you're listening to right now!

In other news, goodbye to all here! I am off to live in black metal spirit and all! Only experience matters in life and when black metal gives the greatest feeling it is worth living for. No music shall be created by me unless it is different - and I do not search for something different for the sake of it. Bye!

Stoic
08-19-2005, 01:31 PM
In other news, goodbye to all here! I am off to live in black metal spirit and all! Only experience matters in life and when black metal gives the greatest feeling it is worth living for. No music shall be created by me unless it is different - and I do not search for something different for the sake of it. Bye!

ermm...since he's gone can someone explain what he means? :confused:

Ad Absurdum
08-19-2005, 01:34 PM
Damn we lost Stevie :upset:

I think he means he is basically going to lead a more true life.

Freezing Moon
08-19-2005, 01:36 PM
He's gone to live in the spirit of black metal, and fully appreciate it. He's not going to make his own, unless he's making something different and new, but he's not going to try to make it just for the sake of doing it.

If you read this, bye Stevie. :(

Stoic
08-19-2005, 01:38 PM
*sigh*
we lost another one :(

I wouldnt even consider living in such a way (without internet in particular) but anyways...

HappyMarshmellow
08-19-2005, 02:02 PM
He's gone off to live in the spirit of black metal?

What, is he going to go live under a bridge and scare little kids?

WTF is the "spirit of black metal"? :confused:

spanky poo
08-19-2005, 02:04 PM
black metal makes me horny

Ad Absurdum
08-19-2005, 02:08 PM
He's gone off to live in the spirit of black metal?

What, is he going to go live under a bridge and scare little kids?

WTF is the "spirit of black metal"? :confused:
Norwegian woods I guess

spanky poo
08-19-2005, 02:09 PM
Spam

VeedBok
08-19-2005, 02:10 PM
What a wierd guy.

Stoic
08-19-2005, 02:31 PM
Norwegian woods I guess

maybe he has pagan beliefs and wants to live in a natural way

Ad Absurdum
08-19-2005, 02:56 PM
maybe he has pagan beliefs and wants to live in a natural way
Don't we all :p

Anyway, I can't stop listening to Man Must Die (http://www.myspace.com/manmustdie). They are a technical death band from Glasgow, which is really cool because I've never heard a local-ish band that I like this much. Health permitting, I should be seeing this band live in a week or so :). Anyway, check them out if you haven't heard them before, my favourite song is 'A Lesson Once Learned', but they are all great.

spanky poo
08-19-2005, 02:57 PM
i want to suck a antalope dry

Stoic
08-19-2005, 03:01 PM
Don't we all :p

Anyway, I can't stop listening to Man Must Die (http://www.myspace.com/manmustdie). They are a technical death band from Glasgow, which is really cool because I've never heard a local-ish band that I like this much. Health permitting, I should be seeing this band live in a week or so :). Anyway, check them out if you haven't heard them before, my favourite song is 'A Lesson Once Learned', but they are all great.

sweet, in the vein of late Kataklysm and Quo Vadis :D thank you!

Cardboard Headgear
08-19-2005, 03:10 PM
In other news, goodbye to all here! I am off to live in black metal spirit and all! Only experience matters in life and when black metal gives the greatest feeling it is worth living for. No music shall be created by me unless it is different - and I do not search for something different for the sake of it. Bye!
Good riddance.

Shadows
08-19-2005, 03:12 PM
So...Stevie's gone? Permanently gone?

IAJP
08-19-2005, 03:31 PM
In other news, goodbye to all here! I am off to live in black metal spirit and all! Only experience matters in life and when black metal gives the greatest feeling it is worth living for. No music shall be created by me unless it is different - and I do not search for something different for the sake of it. Bye!
I admired you from afar. Where we never really got talking, I could imagine we had a lot of things in common. You're a good guy, enjoy life. :)

Per Ardua Ad Astra
08-19-2005, 04:03 PM
WTF is the "spirit of black metal"?

That's what i was thinking.
I didn't like Stevie anyway, that avatar is just plain stupid. Christianity preaches acceptance, whether you believe that Jesus died for peoples sins or not (or whether he even existed or not) it is stupid for him to put a picture of Jesus on the cross with laughter and even more ironic because it seems that him (along with most people in this thread) seem to preach acceptance which is what Jesus represents in the bible.

I am an atheist by the way.

HappyMarshmellow
08-19-2005, 04:09 PM
Norwegian woods I guess

What the hell is he going to eat?

Truffles? :rolleyes:

maybe he has pagan beliefs and wants to live in a natural way

You mean, like a hobo?

Per Ardua Ad Astra
08-19-2005, 04:15 PM
What the hell is he going to eat?

Truffles?

Beans, like Thoreau :lol:

IAJP
08-19-2005, 04:18 PM
What the hell is he going to eat?

Truffles? :rolleyes:
:lol:
Black metal food; jam crumpets, roast potatos.

You know, all that lark.

:p

Arrakakaka
08-19-2005, 04:28 PM
Norwegian woods I guess
Probably..

NP: Napalm Death - "Nazi Punks **** Off"

IAJP
08-19-2005, 04:31 PM
Probably..

NP: Napalm Death - "Nazi Punks **** Off"
Napalm Death are my favourite Death / Grind band.

Just out of interest, which version is it?

Live in Japan, Leaders Not Followers Part: II or Virus 100 (The Dead Kenedy's Tribute album)?

:)

HappyMarshmellow
08-19-2005, 04:40 PM
Napalm Death are my favourite Death / Grind band.

Just out of interest, which version is it?

Live in Japan, Leaders Not Followers Part: II or Virus 100 (The Dead Kenedy's Tribute album)?

:)

I gots both of those, Leaders Not Followers part I and II, they both have different versions of that song

IAJP
08-19-2005, 04:58 PM
Eh cool.
I much prefer Napalm Death in their Deathier years, I do love the Grind years though.
:)

Terrorzone
08-19-2005, 05:03 PM
Seeing them with Obituary soon.

Magicaltroll
08-19-2005, 05:04 PM
Can someone recommend me a great Symphonic Black Metal band?
Maybe not too well known, because I know of most the main ones.

And which is better for Napalm Death's grind stuff, Scum, or Enslavement...?

IAJP
08-19-2005, 05:07 PM
Scum. Without a doubt.

From Enslavement, allthough good, gives off a whiff of "Try to hard". It tries to hard to be like Scum, and it doesn't work. Get both though, they're both pretty seminal. :p

RCA
08-19-2005, 05:10 PM
Go with Scum, although if you want the ULTIMATE grind album (IMO) go with Repulsion's Horrified. That album is riff-a-licious. :D

I think I made a new word.

Stoic
08-19-2005, 05:11 PM
Can someone recommend me a great Symphonic Black Metal band?
Maybe not too well known, because I know of most the main ones.


Dancin' Man is knowledgeable about this sub-genre I think.

NP Miasma - Baphomet, it's sweeter than I expected, manuscriptreplica's whoring has a basis, I should get the whole album...

IAJP
08-19-2005, 05:15 PM
Go with Scum, although if you want the ULTIMATE grind album (IMO) go with Repulsion's Horrified. That album is riff-a-licious. :D

I think I made a new word.
:cool: Repulsion are a horrifically heavy band. Really, in some respects, quite scary.


I also tried to send some Morbid Angel to my friend, I think he was scared :lol:

Magicaltroll
08-19-2005, 05:17 PM
Repulsion-Horrified and Pig Destroyer-Prowler In The Yard it is then :D

I'm really loving grind lately...

And I didn't know Napalm death had long songs... That's kind of odd for a Grind band :p

RCA
08-19-2005, 05:21 PM
:cool: Repulsion are a horrifically heavy band. Really, in some respects, quite scary.


I also tried to send some Morbid Angel to my friend, I think he was scared :lol:

Repulsion have massive amounts of thrash in them, which = :chug: in my book.

IAJP
08-19-2005, 05:52 PM
Repulsion-Horrified and Pig Destroyer-Prowler In The Yard it is then :D

I'm really loving grind lately...

And I didn't know Napalm death had long songs... That's kind of odd for a Grind band :p
Yeah, they're great.

In some respects a very experimental Grind band. (If you can have one :lol: ).

RCA: I know dude, your Thrash articles have been incredible. :cool:.


(I can also reveal I am mid way into an FA onto a well loved Death Metal band, try and guess who, NOT NAPALM DEATH! :D)

Stoic
08-19-2005, 05:53 PM
I'm loving Cacophony this period, does anyone share "Go Off" ?

NP Bloodbath - Eaten

RCA
08-19-2005, 05:55 PM
Yeah, they're great.

In some respects a very experimental Grind band. (If you can have one :lol: ).

RCA: I know dude, your Thrash articles have been incredible. :cool:.


(I can also reveal I am mid way into an FA onto a well loved Death Metal band, try and guess who, NOT NAPALM DEATH! :D)

Thanks! :D

/me guesses

Carcass?

IAJP
08-19-2005, 06:00 PM
Nope!
Think...earlier, and possibly more Egyptian-ish.


(YOU HAVE TO GET IT NOW! :lol: )

RCA
08-19-2005, 06:02 PM
It can't be Nile.

/me thinks of an earlier Egyptian-ish band

IAJP
08-19-2005, 06:04 PM
It can't be Nile.

/me thinks of an earlier Egyptian-ish band
:lol: I wouldn't do such a cheesey pun as that, you have to think sound wise though, there's a clue..

Stoic
08-19-2005, 06:07 PM
old well loved egyptian-ish death metal band...before nile...argg...too late for puzzles...

IAJP
08-19-2005, 06:08 PM
old well loved egyptian-ish death metal band...before nile...argg...too late for puzzles...
They are the quintissential Death metal band.


I didn't want to have to resort to this guys, :p :lol:

Stoic
08-19-2005, 06:10 PM
well Chuck used eastern sounding scales in the middle Death era...

and morbid angel (bleh :D) had lyrics concerning ancient gods...

...but as you see they're not that well loved (or is it just me?)

IAJP
08-19-2005, 06:14 PM
well Chuck used eastern sounding scales in the middle Death era...

and morbid angel (bleh :D) had lyrics concerning ancient gods...
That's true, I'm sorry man, I suck :upset:. The thing is, I am sorta new to extremer metal, I can take most anything, but I don't have much experience :upset:.

I always did get "EGYPTIAN SOUNDING" shouted at me when I listened to Zombie Ritual though. :)


With regards to Morbid Angel..Well I dunno, I would like to get more by them in terms of albums. What is their heaviest? Considering I have one song called "TRACK 1" :upset:

RCA
08-19-2005, 06:17 PM
Stoic hates MA. :lol:

Death, Egyptian? Zombie Ritual had that opening lick, but that's as close to Egyptian as I can remember Death getting. Oh well, can't wait to see the thread. :D

NP: Ghoul - Ghoul Hunter

Stoic
08-19-2005, 06:19 PM
That's true, I'm sorry man, I suck :upset:. The thing is, I am sorta new to extremer metal, I can take most anything, but I don't have much experience :upset:.

I always did get "EGYPTIAN SOUNDING" shouted at me when I listened to Zombie Ritual though. :)


With regards to Morbid Angel..Well I dunno, I would like to get more by them in terms of albums. What is their heaviest? Considering I have one song called "TRACK 1" :upset:

whoah? So you're making a FA on Death ( :cool: )? Haha how come you get an egyptian feeling when listening to zombie ritual? Must listen to it again. As for Morbid Angel, I'm sure the other guys will enlighten you ;)

/waits for Apocalyptic Raids ;)

Stoic hates MA.

:D

IAJP
08-19-2005, 06:19 PM
Stoic hates MA. :lol:

Death, Egyptian? Zombie Ritual had that opening lick, but that's as close to Egyptian as I can remember Death getting. Oh well, can't wait to see the thread. :D

NP: Ghoul - Ghoul Hunter
I will make it my business to be one of the best F.A's this site has ever seen. I can't stand people writing Death Metal off, it annoys me, as well as confuses me. Death it shall be :).

Stoic:

Just listen to the opening riff in Zombie! It sounds strange, but it gives off a massive ammount of Egytptian vibe. A bit more stuff off Scream Bloody Gore does too. Land Of No Return is lyrically similar to some Egyptian gods stuff to..(In a way).

Also, yep, Death t'shall be. :D

RCA
08-19-2005, 06:22 PM
I will make it my business to be one of the best F.A's this site has ever seen. I can't stand people writing Death Metal off, it annoys me, as well as confuses me. Death it shall be :).

Entitle it "Blood N' Guts 101". :D

Stoic
08-19-2005, 06:23 PM
I will make it my business to be one of the best F.A's this site has ever seen. I can't stand people writing Death Metal off, it annoys me, as well as confuses me. Death it shall be :).

oh yes you should work hard on it, Chuck deserves it and Death is the ideal band to fix a few misconceptions/stereotypes about death metal. I'm sure emptywords.org will be very helpful. It's one of the most (if not the most) informative official sites ever.

Blood N' Guts 101

speaking of misconceptions about death metal...:p

and yes Mr Jondur, I'm actually trying to prove that all death metal is not (and shouldnt be) about zombies :p

goodnight all, jebus In the Woods are teh rule \m/

RCA
08-19-2005, 06:24 PM
Make sure you draw the line between prog Death and death metal Death, as this will eliminate confusion.

IAJP
08-19-2005, 06:26 PM
Yeah it's brilliant.

I got such an amazing picture of Chuck playing guitar, signed in gold embossed letters. It's fantastic, it's one of the best pictures I've ever seen!

/Me takes note of kick-*** title :cool:

Slapping Penguin
08-19-2005, 06:58 PM
disagree entirely.

Much the same way as I hate vegitarianism, but respect vegans ultimately more than 'vegitarians', I think that if you are to follow Christianity, then follow ****ing Christianity.

Idiots who label themselves Christian, then complain about the 'strict rules' of the religion are worthless.

eg, "I'm a Christian, but I love to listen to Christ-Raping Black Metal, and I have pre-marital sex and get drunk every weekend. I break the majority of the Ten Commands, but hey, I'm Christian, so God forgives me!"

But who decides what is Christainity? Fundamentalists? People who try to live the life by the good vaules? Religion is what you make it. In the end if your a good person that is all that matters. Christainity can give you some great vaules to live by. Christanity isn't nesscarly no sex etc. Got to remember man changed religion for his benefits or beliefs.

Promise to leave Christanity there. Stoic I have added you.

Per Ardua Ad Astra
08-19-2005, 07:37 PM
Everyone should be listening to this band, http://www.coprofago.com/
It's like Meshugga meets Allan Holdswarth. Awesome stuff.


Religion is what you make it. In the end if your a good person that is all that matters.

100% right.

manuscriptreplica
08-19-2005, 10:41 PM
Dancin' Man is knowledgeable about this sub-genre I think.

NP Miasma - Baphomet, it's sweeter than I expected, manuscriptreplica's whoring has a basis, I should get the whole album...

As if you didn't get the whole album, that's not even the best song :eek:

Apocalyptic Raids
08-19-2005, 11:31 PM
/waits for Apocalyptic Raids ;)



:D
;)

Schweet, FA on Death. Should be good.

James Van Halen
08-19-2005, 11:32 PM
eg, "I'm a Christian, but I love to listen to Christ-Raping Black Metal, and I have pre-marital sex and get drunk every weekend. I break the majority of the Ten Commands, but hey, I'm Christian, so God forgives me!"
Note: Neither pre-Marital sex, nor listening to black metal, nor getting drunk are in the Ten Commandments. And anybody who thinks that something is a sin just because some random deciple says it is, is an idiot. Even moreso than a follower of the religion in general.

Apocalyptic Raids
08-19-2005, 11:35 PM
Lets just stop with the religion debate.

Anybody here use audioscrobbler?

http://www.last.fm/user/Vio-lence/

RiceMonster
08-19-2005, 11:37 PM
Lets just stop with the religion debate.

Anybody here use audioscrobbler?

http://www.last.fm/user/Vio-lence/
Yes, I just got it a few days ago, and unfortunatly, some of my sisters ****ty music came up on it. :angry:

http://www.last.fm/user/RiceMonster/

Dancin' Man
08-19-2005, 11:42 PM
Ion Dissonance thread with downloads. (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=381419)

coo'

Apocalyptic Raids
08-19-2005, 11:46 PM
Yes, I just got it a few days ago, and unfortunatly, some of my sisters ****ty music came up on it. :angry:

http://www.last.fm/user/RiceMonster/
I think with this new version there is a way to delete an artist/song off your Audioscrobbler.

Dancin' Man
08-19-2005, 11:49 PM
Mine is http://www.last.fm/user/dancinman

and yeah, I think you're right AR but I don't know how to do it.

NP Ion Dissonance - 10110110110001

RiceMonster
08-20-2005, 12:12 AM
I figured out how to do it, although accoring to the site, it could take up to a week for it to work. :-/

Special Brew
08-20-2005, 01:55 AM
http://www.last.fm/damienrhodes

I have very wide tastes as you can probably see from my list :p



i like emo

Special Brew
08-20-2005, 01:56 AM
NP Ion Dissonance - 10110110110001
I thougt that was a Clutch song :confused:

Freezing Moon
08-20-2005, 02:04 AM
www.last.fm/user/thechosenones

Ad Absurdum
08-20-2005, 06:07 AM
www.last.fm/user/thechosenones
Woah didn't realise you were only 15.
/is 15 also, well for another week

My Last.fm (http://www.last.fm/user/kasdeya/)

Freezing Moon, you are also my closest neighbour :) NJMetalMeister was on there last time I checked too.

Edit - I added you all to my friends list on it.

br3ad_man
08-20-2005, 06:35 AM
I disagree entirely.

Much the same way as I hate vegitarianism, but respect vegans ultimately more than 'vegitarians', I think that if you are to follow Christianity, then follow ****ing Christianity.

Idiots who label themselves Christian, then complain about the 'strict rules' of the religion are worthless.

eg, "I'm a Christian, but I love to listen to Christ-Raping Black Metal, and I have pre-marital sex and get drunk every weekend. I break the majority of the Ten Commands, but hey, I'm Christian, so God forgives me!"

Doesn't mean to say that genuine Christians aren't worthless either, mind you.

I agree. Except with 'christ raping black metal'. I have yet to see anything to even remotely suggest that I am sinning by listening to it. For example, I wouldn't wear a Slayer God Hates Us All shirt, but I would definitely go to one of their shows (maybe I wouldn't after watching "Fans Rule", but that's another issue) and maybe buy the cd if I saw it cheap. I have no problem with listening to the band's music, but I certainly don't want to advertise a band that blaspheme my God. I very much believe that I am a geniune christian, God is the most important thing to me in life and I hope that others believe I am geniune.

And I definitely will never have pre marital sex or get drunk (Obviously it's not something I can absolutely promise, but I definitely don't see it ever happening and I will take certain steps to make sure that it doesn't), though I certainly will have sex when I am married and I certainly will drink when I am of age.



Dancin' Man, Ion Dissonance are cool, Toozey hooked me up with some songs a while ago and I think they are great. I would also like to get more into old school death metal, so if anyone has any reccomendations, I would like to hear them.

the2stranger
08-20-2005, 06:37 AM
I just made an audiosrobbler account
thus far I've listened to 3 songs :p

Deathcrush
08-20-2005, 06:51 AM
Note: Neither pre-Marital sex, nor listening to black metal, nor getting drunk are in the Ten Commandments. And anybody who thinks that something is a sin just because some random deciple says it is, is an idiot. Even moreso than a follower of the religion in general.

You're being pretty ****ing stupid. If you think that Christianity appreciates listening to music based entirely on denouncing their God, and the person of who's teachings they follow, then you don't really know much about Christianity.

Riva
08-20-2005, 06:58 AM
Hey, Pete. Ion Dissonance are great!

So, yeah, I've just burnt a few CDs for the guy I do my album trading with. Can't wait to see what I get in return!

(He requests various albums that are hard to find in Australia, since he doesn't use the internet). I obtain them, and then burn them for him. In return, he picks 3 or 4 of his albums (all originals) and let's me borrow them for a month or so. It's pretty **** sweet. :cool:

Deathcrush
08-20-2005, 06:58 AM
But who decides what is Christainity? Fundamentalists? People who try to live the life by the good vaules? Religion is what you make it. In the end if your a good person that is all that matters. Christainity can give you some great vaules to live by. Christanity isn't nesscarly no sex etc. Got to remember man changed religion for his benefits or beliefs.

If man changed a religion for his benefits or beliefs, then he can ****ing rename it. A religion can't be changed. The entire point of it is "this is how we think, how we want to live - anyone else who follows this way of thinking, we consider one of us".

Not "Alright I'm Christian now. Kickass. Well, to be honest I don't like some of this. *changes things* Yeah, now I'm a Christian that appreciates things that my religion doesn't, and does things that will potentially send me to hell."

Since I'm hungover, I'll lightheartedly make a joke of comparing calling pseudo-Christianity 'Christianity' and calling Cradle of Filth 'black metal'. :p

br3ad_man
08-20-2005, 07:00 AM
:lol:

When people go changing the core beliefs of christianity, that is what you would call a Cult.

Deathcrush
08-20-2005, 07:03 AM
:lol:

When people go changing the core beliefs of christianity, that is what you would call a Cult.

:thumb:

When does it become "too far" from the 'real' religion? Who decides that?

So it's alright to change these rules? What if I said "I will stay Christian but I will claim that murder and rape is totally justified".

Are you going to tell me that "that isn't Christianity"?

WHEN DOES IT BECOME TOO FAR DAGNABIT!?

br3ad_man
08-20-2005, 07:07 AM
Well, actually, it's pretty easy to see a line in a lot of things. You mentioned the example of rape and murder. Considering that the bible explicitly prohibits it, it would be obvious. In other situations, it's not so easy for some people. There are a few core beliefs that my religion teacher came up with for christianity (probably the smartest and wisest person I know), I'll post them in a minute.

Deathcrush
08-20-2005, 07:09 AM
Well, actually, it's pretty easy to see a line in a lot of things. You mentioned the example of rape and murder. Considering that the bible explicitly prohibits it, it would be obvious. In other situations, it's not so easy for some people. There are a few core beliefs that my religion teacher came up with for christianity (probably the smartest and wisest person I know), I'll post them in a minute.

The 'rape and murder' thing was just a quick answer. Hopefully you get the jist of what I meant.

Special Brew
08-20-2005, 07:12 AM
I just made an audiosrobbler account
thus far I've listened to 3 songs :p
What is your account's name? I've liked your tastes in music, so I'd love to see what you listen to :p

RCA
08-20-2005, 08:08 AM
I've got a Scrob! (http://www.last.fm/user/RCA/)

I promise I listen to different music, it's just I'm consumed by extreme metal as of late. There'll be some Rush, Yes, and John Coltrane up there soon. :D

As for the Christianity debate, I agree with whoever said to just be a good person.

Slapping Penguin
08-20-2005, 08:09 AM
If man changed a religion for his benefits or beliefs, then he can ****ing rename it. A religion can't be changed. The entire point of it is "this is how we think, how we want to live - anyone else who follows this way of thinking, we consider one of us".

Preety big claim as Christanity has changed so muck over the last two thousands fool. Christain is a follow of Christ. HOw you interpy Christ meanings and idead is totally up to you. You are wrong mate. You are think from a toatally american Christain view.

As for the Christianity debate, I agree with whoever said to just be a good person.

That was me.

the2stranger
08-20-2005, 08:22 AM
What is your account's name? I've liked your tastes in music, so I'd love to see what you listen to :p

thank you sir :)

scroblybobbly (http://www.last.fm/user/the2stranger)
do note that my musical tastes are quite diverse, and it's not only extreme metal ;)

np: Borknagar - The Eye Of Oden

Deathcrush
08-20-2005, 09:09 AM
As for the Christianity debate, I agree with whoever said to just be a good person.

That doesn't really have anything the Christianity debate though.

"Being a good person" is subjective. I think 'good' Christians are bad people.

LeperAffinity
08-20-2005, 09:47 AM
Scrobbler: http://www.last.fm/user/Mursinary/

Also, I noticed Municipal Waste on your list RCA...I've heard good things about that album, worth checking out?

IAJP
08-20-2005, 09:51 AM
Jesus, Death albums are annoying.

I go out looking for Spiritual Healing, I found it for £15, and yet, it's not a very long album at all. It's good though :).

Also, seen as we're whoring, Here's my audioscrobbla' (http://www.last.fm/user/IAJP).

Lord Abortion
08-20-2005, 09:51 AM
so..I just bought Entombed-left hand path and it rules incredibly, the best DM album I heard since gore obsessed...

the2stranger
08-20-2005, 09:56 AM
Jesus, Death albums are annoying.

I go out looking for Spiritual Healing, I found it for £15, and yet, it's not a very long album at all. It's good though :).

Also, seen as we're whoring, Here's my audioscrobbla' (http://www.last.fm/user/IAJP).
15 pounds? :amaze:
wow, all Death cd's are around €10,00 at my recordstore.

but it's death so it's worth any any price :)

Dancin' Man
08-20-2005, 10:22 AM
So is the annoying Christianity debate over? I was steering clear of this thread while it raged.

How'd you all like the Ion Dissonance? Does anyone have any Despised Icon albums or demos I could steal? Same with The End.

IAJP
08-20-2005, 10:23 AM
15 pounds? :amaze:
wow, all Death cd's are around €10,00 at my recordstore.

but it's death so it's worth any any price :)
Yeah, it enrages me.

Scream Bloody Gore was £17! I took the plunge though...anyway,
NP: Death - Choke On It.

(Anyone get a Megadeth feel from the music?) :confused:

Lord Abortion
08-20-2005, 10:26 AM
well, maybe when chuck introduces the song his voice goes high like Dave's :p

Dancin' Man
08-20-2005, 10:26 AM
That's why I buy the few CDs I buy online. However! I got my first paycheck yesterday and it was in the neighborhood of $180. Since I don't have to pay car insurance (only gas) that should go towards at least one album.

RCA
08-20-2005, 10:27 AM
Hmm, I hear it a bit. :eek:

NP: Megadeth - A Tout Le Monde (Youthanasia is GOOD. :angry: )

IAJP
08-20-2005, 10:30 AM
Hmm, I hear it a bit. :eek:

NP: Megadeth - A Tout Le Monde (Youthanasia is GOOD. :angry: )
Hmm, it's alright.

It just doesn't stand up well to R.I.P or PSBWB?.

Anyway, Dancin' Man, what you got in mind? :)

RCA
08-20-2005, 10:31 AM
Hmm, it's alright.

It just doesn't stand up well to R.I.P or PSBWB?.

Anyway, Dancin' Man, what you got in mind? :)

Oh, of course it doesn't. I just see it being slandered, when in reality, it is quite a solid album.

IAJP
08-20-2005, 10:34 AM
Oh, of course it doesn't. I just see it being slandered, when in reality, it is quite a solid album.
Oh yeah of course, I really like Reckoning Day and Black Curtains. :)


NP: Portishead - Sour Times.

RCA
08-20-2005, 10:36 AM
Oh yeah of course, I really like Reckoning Day and Black Curtains. :)

:D

I think I might finally order Mental Funeral today.

the2stranger
08-20-2005, 10:41 AM
yesterday I was having an argument with some guy

we were talking about harsh death metal vocals

and I caal them growls, the other dude says, there is no such thing as growls it grunts.
after that we went on to BM vocals,; I call them shrieks, he says, there is no such thing as a shriek, it's called scream.

what's your take on it.

for me
grunt vocals: Slipknot :p
growl vocals: Opeth

scream: DEP
shriek: Emperor

np: Finntroll - Marknadsvisan

RCA
08-20-2005, 10:44 AM
Growl: Disembowelment
Grunt: Suffocation, most of the time

Scream: Bathory - "A Fine Day To Die" (You know which scream it is)
Shriek: Judas Priest - "Painkiller"

IMHO.

IAJP
08-20-2005, 10:48 AM
yesterday I was having an argument with some guy

we were talking about harsh death metal vocals

and I caal them growls, the other dude says, there is no such thing as growls it grunts.
after that we went on to BM vocals,; I call them shrieks, he says, there is no such thing as a shriek, it's called scream.

what's your take on it.

for me
grunt vocals: Slipknot :p
growl vocals: Opeth

scream: DEP
shriek: Emperor

np: Finntroll - Marknadsvisan
I would agree with all of that, except grunt.

Maybe Cathedral... ;)

Lord Abortion
08-20-2005, 10:50 AM
In your Homosexual opinion??? :p
sorry...couldn't resist
I'll have to think about this topic of grunts and growls...

IAJP
08-20-2005, 10:53 AM
Demon of The Fall by Opeth has growliness in it, stuff like Equilibrium has Grunts in it, espcially the instrumental parts. That's what I think anywho.

RCA
08-20-2005, 10:54 AM
In your Homosexual opinion??? :p
sorry...couldn't resist
I'll have to think about this topic of grunts and growls...

Ollie fails at comedy, more in 5. :p

NP: Nevermore - Narcosynthesis (this band isn't half bad :amaze: )

Dancin' Man
08-20-2005, 10:58 AM
don't forget!

Gurgle: Wormed

I usually call BM vocals screams but I agree with your growl/grunt thing.

sensitiveorgan00
08-20-2005, 11:57 AM
DOC IS DEAD
Link (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=40667)


R.I.P :upset:

IAJP
08-20-2005, 12:03 PM
35...So young...:upset:

Lord Abortion
08-20-2005, 12:05 PM
I really like his drumming,
anyone who can flawlessly cover freezing moon on drums is good to me

/waits for "he dint drm n dat 1 j00" comments as that was a guess

the2stranger
08-20-2005, 01:17 PM
Rest In Peace
:upset:

LeperAffinity
08-20-2005, 01:47 PM
For any that want to hear it, or are curious, I've uploaded Leviathan's collection of ambient tracks "A Silhouette in Splinters". If the dl expires, lemme know and I'll re-up it.

A Silhouette in Splinters
hxxp://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3TDHTOPA0QBIV1DGI8LHYNQGFO

Freezing Moon
08-20-2005, 02:16 PM
Woah didn't realise you were only 15.
/is 15 also, well for another week

My Last.fm (http://www.last.fm/user/kasdeya/)

Freezing Moon, you are also my closest neighbour :) NJMetalMeister was on there last time I checked too.

Edit - I added you all to my friends list on it.

You haven't listened to many tracks yet. :p

Yeah, I'm fifteen until January.


For any that want to hear it, or are curious, I've uploaded Leviathan's collection of ambient tracks "A Silhouette in Splinters". If the dl expires, lemme know and I'll re-up it.

A Silhouette in Splinters
hxxp://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3TDHTOPA0QBIV1DGI8LHYNQGFO

I got that from you on slsk a couple days ago. Too bad, I would have grabbed something else if you had uploaded it earlier, heh. It's very good though, Leviathan is excellent.

Stoic
08-20-2005, 02:17 PM
Rest In Peace
:upset:

:upset: metal dudes just shouldnt die :upset:

Hollywood Rose
08-20-2005, 03:53 PM
Holy **** this thread has been going long.

Stoic
08-20-2005, 03:58 PM
Holy **** this thread has been going long.

this is because it has a cult following :evil: I think originally there were two death head threads and at some point they were merged.

NJMetalMeister
08-20-2005, 03:59 PM
Holy **** this thread has been going long.

thank you captian obvious.

On a side note, when you first meet your roommates girlfriend and are listening to arghoslent, then she asks what youre listening to, including songtitle, it creates a hilarious experience

Stoic
08-20-2005, 04:03 PM
thank you captian obvious.

On a side note, when you first meet your roommates girlfriend and are listening to arghoslent, then she asks what youre listening to, including songtitle, it creates a hilarious experience

care to share details such as what was the song title and her reaction? :p

NJMetalMeister
08-20-2005, 04:05 PM
The song happened to be Hereditary Taint, and she had this look on her face, that she gave to my roommate that essentially he needs to straighten me out and that she couldnt beleive that he was living with a racist.

about 2 minutes later she goes "how can you listen to something like that?" To which i replied, "well, its real good music".

and then she said "music can only be as good as the lyrics in front of it"

hilarious? yes!

Rothmans
08-20-2005, 04:10 PM
The song happened to be Hereditary Taint, and she had this look on her face, that she gave to my roommate that essentially he needs to straighten me out and that she couldnt beleive that he was living with a racist.

about 2 minutes later she goes "how can you listen to something like that?" To which i replied, "well, its real good music".

and then she said "music can only be as good as the lyrics in front of it"

hilarious? yes!

SO you are rascist?

Stoic
08-20-2005, 04:15 PM
Nah, I dont think he's a racist. He can just ignore the lyrics, which I cant for some reason.

"music can only be as good as the lyrics in front of it"

well this is not fairly intelligent she could have come up with some else to express her objection against racist lyrics. Still this objection has a point and I didnt find the incident quite hilarious if you ask me.

TWO POSTS (A YEAR AND SOME WEEKS OLD) THAT BELONG TO HISTORY:

Ah, I was just wondering, perhaps I should merge the two death head threads. :amaze:

That would make a monster with nearly 9,000 posts!!! :amaze:


DO IT!!

:D

Rothmans
08-20-2005, 04:18 PM
I remember ages ago there was a death head thread 2.0 was that merged with this one?

NJMetalMeister
08-20-2005, 04:19 PM
SO you are rascist?

considering half my family is of jewish descent, what do you think?

Ill give you a hint, it begins with an n and ends in an o.

For all i care the lyrics could be about two blokes rogering each other on a park bench while listening to liberace music, the lyrics mean nothing, i listen to music for the music. Sure good lyrics can enhance a song, but its easy to push them to the background when you have such brilliant music playing such as in Arghoslent.


well this is not fairly intelligent she could have come up with some else to express her objection against racist lyrics. Still this objection has a point and I didnt find the incident quite hilarious if you ask me.


Well from what I was told by my roommate while his bird was in the bathroom was that when she goes to buy a cd, unlike most of us who download the entire album to see if its worth picking up, she goes and reads all the lyrics instead of listening to it. To her the lyrics are more important than the music being played at all.

In essence she is a poetry fan, not a music fan. Which is dumb, you should like poetry for poetry, and music for music. It is one thing to like well written lyrics, but if they are your sole reason for buying an album, then just buy books.

Stoic
08-20-2005, 04:26 PM
Well from what I was told by my roommate while his bird was in the bathroom was that when she goes to buy a cd, unlike most of us who download the entire album to see if its worth picking up, she goes and reads all the lyrics instead of listening to it. To her the lyrics are more important than the music being played at all.

In essence she is a poetry fan, not a music fan. Which is dumb, you should like poetry for poetry, and music for music. It is one thing to like well written lyrics, but if they are your sole reason for buying an album, then just buy books.

ahh you should have been more specific from the beginning, I totally agree with you. Good lyrics are always welcome but they're not the terminus.

NP Farmakon - Same

Rothmans
08-20-2005, 04:28 PM
NJMetalMiester what age are you?

NJMetalMeister
08-20-2005, 04:42 PM
ill be 22 in october

Rothmans
08-20-2005, 05:08 PM
ill be 22 in october




:eek:

I didnt know you were that all.

Jondur
08-20-2005, 05:18 PM
Yeah you old ****!

the2stranger
08-20-2005, 06:39 PM
I really shouldn't be hanging around here at this time of night, but I am :p

on topic: the lyrical value

I care for lyrics if they are good, if the lyrics are bad (gore)I just ignore them.
if they are good ( Opeth) I listen to them and enjoy them

np: Solefald: 04:34 PM

Rothmans
08-20-2005, 06:46 PM
I really shouldn't be hanging around here at this time of night, but I am :p

on topic: the lyrical value

I care for lyrics if they are good, if the lyrics are bad (gore)I just ignore them.
if they are good ( Opeth) I listen to them and enjoy them

np: Solefald: 04:34 PM


I agree with that I use to care about lyrics but nowadays I am more going for instrumental stuff anyway but somehting is missing without a voice it captures another emotion for the music.

the2stranger
08-20-2005, 06:50 PM
I agree with that I use to care about lyrics but nowadays I am more going for instrumental stuff anyway but somehting is missing without a voice it captures another emotion for the music.

some instrumental stuff doesn't need vocals IMO cause it has a voice in it self. but it needs some skill to write music that really says things without words.

I trhink Burzum ambient stuff is great.
a lot of post rock can express lyrics too without having vocals.

wow this sounds weird :amaze:

Shattered_Future
08-20-2005, 06:52 PM
Music can be perfectly fine without lyrics...most older stuff was instrumental, and that was some of the greatest music ever written.

Dancin' Man
08-20-2005, 07:00 PM
Arghoslent is a sweet band. One of my favorite MDM bands. Lyrics can't matter to a metal head if he is to take the music seriously.

Lord Abortion
08-20-2005, 07:00 PM
so...I spent most of my money... meh
good CDs...

the2stranger
08-20-2005, 07:04 PM
so...I spent most of my money... meh
good CDs...

me too
it's way too expensive though :upset:

np: Ulver - Hallways Of Always

Ad Absurdum
08-20-2005, 07:10 PM
Music can be perfectly fine without lyrics...most older stuff was instrumental, and that was some of the greatest music ever written.
What do you mean most older stuff? Voices go back further than instruments, and voices have been used alot throughout music.

Rothmans
08-20-2005, 07:14 PM
some instrumental stuff doesn't need vocals IMO cause it has a voice in it self. but it needs some skill to write music that really says things without words.

I trhink Burzum ambient stuff is great.
a lot of post rock can express lyrics too without having vocals.

wow this sounds weird :amaze:

3 bands I can think of off the top of my head:

Explosions in the sky - Not good with vocals

Tribes of Neurot - I could not see vocals fitting in anywhere

GSY!BE (yes I know I am becoming a fanboy) - Vocals fir nowhere in there music and if they tried it would ruin a bit of them IMO.

Lord Abortion
08-20-2005, 07:17 PM
me too
it's way too expensive though :upset:

np: Ulver - Hallways Of Always
yeah, never should have bought pure holocaust, that was £8

Final Fantasy XI was £16...all my money for the month gone and I just got paid yesterday.
Because I need money for Leeds and to repay my friend for the train ticket... which was £40
and to pay my monthly £50 installment on my computer aswell

NP-entombed-abnormally deceased
great album Left hand path

Dancin' Man
08-20-2005, 07:18 PM
What do you mean most older stuff? Voices go back further than instruments, and voices have been used alot throughout music.

But lyrics didn't maybe?


GY!BE do have lyrics... Dead Flag Blues.

Rothmans
08-20-2005, 07:24 PM
But lyrics didn't maybe?


GY!BE do have lyrics... Dead Flag Blues.

Yeah I know but you would barely consider them lyrics.

Ad Absurdum
08-20-2005, 07:29 PM
But lyrics didn't maybe?
Good point :p

the2stranger
08-20-2005, 07:32 PM
I think Sigur Ros uses vocals in a nice way, just as an instrument, and not for lyrical values.

weird all these death heads discussing post rock mellowness ;)
anyone like Canvas Solaris? a more metal orientated instumental band

NJMetalMeister
08-20-2005, 07:45 PM
I think Sigur Ros uses vocals in a nice way, just as an instrument, and not for lyrical values.

weird all these death heads discussing post rock mellowness ;)
anyone like Canvas Solaris? a more metal orientated instumental band

Just because youre a death head per say does not mean you are stuck listening to just that particular genre of music. Most of us do indeed listen to a lot of other stuff, no matter how tr00 we may appear.

Lord Abortion
08-20-2005, 07:46 PM
Just because youre a death head per say does not mean you are stuck listening to just that particular genre of music. Most of us do indeed listen to a lot of other stuff, no matter how tr00 we may appear.
I mean look at my audioscrobbler for instance...

http://www.lastfm.com/user/LordOllie

the2stranger
08-20-2005, 07:49 PM
Just because youre a death head per say does not mean you are stuck listening to just that particular genre of music. Most of us do indeed listen to a lot of other stuff, no matter how tr00 we may appear.

indeed, we had the discussion of open mindedness on music a few weeks back.
I'm open for a lot of music.
although extreme Metal is my true love.

progressive rock is my 2nd favorite genre :p

hmz

I just made my aaudioscrobbler account today, but this should give you the genreal view
http://www.last.fm/user/the2stranger

Riva
08-20-2005, 08:26 PM
Arghoslent are one of my favourite MDM bands, also. I honestly don't absorb the lyrics. I can decipher what he is saying, but it doesn't impact me at all.

And besides, mainstream rap is 10x more racist than even Graveland could ever be.

NJMetalMeister
08-20-2005, 09:40 PM
And besides, mainstream rap is 10x more racist than even Graveland could ever be.

Dont try saying that at my university, they have been telling us since before our first semester there that the true definition of racism basically says that as long as you arent in the majority race (i.e. white males) you cant be racist. Anything else is just backlash for thousands of years of oppression :rolleyes:

Dancin' Man
08-20-2005, 09:50 PM
And I will always find that rediculous. Racism will always exist so long as people say anything about seperate races. As long as define someone by a group they belong to based on physique, it will exist. Once people start saying "Yeah, the guy over there with dark skin" as opposed to "The black guy over there" things will be progressing.

NP Jesu - Tired of Me

RetiredAt21
08-20-2005, 09:52 PM
Anyone like Macabre? I think they are awesome, and pretty hilarious.

Iron Man
08-20-2005, 09:53 PM
That's why I hate it when the stupid school system where I live wants us to "Embrace Diversity"...you have to single them out as "diverse" before you can "embrace" them, so it's not helping any...

manuscriptreplica
08-20-2005, 09:56 PM
AUdioscrobber (the new one) doesnt work for me. Oh well.

Dancin' Man
08-20-2005, 10:11 PM
That's why I hate it when the stupid school system where I live wants us to "Embrace Diversity"...you have to single them out as "diverse" before you can "embrace" them, so it's not helping any...

Exactly. If they want us to see ourselves as equals, why do we have to recognize we're different? I mean, I must be a least a little racist because I usually don't find black women as appealing as white women (with exceptions).

NP Cirque Du Soleil - High Bar (I've seen Mystere!)

br3ad_man
08-20-2005, 10:49 PM
From the post-rock discussion above, everyone should check out Mono. One of the best post-rock bands ever

NJMetalMeister
08-20-2005, 10:53 PM
And I will always find that rediculous. Racism will always exist so long as people say anything about seperate races. As long as define someone by a group they belong to based on physique, it will exist. Once people start saying "Yeah, the guy over there with dark skin" as opposed to "The black guy over there" things will be progressing.

NP Jesu - Tired of Me

"the guy over there with the dark skin" would also be considered racist by my university because it lumps them in as a group as opposed to gives recognition to their cultural heritage. The way they would want you to say it would be like "That african man over there, who is possibly from the region of Ghana" or whatever because they also tried to make us learn where different shades of darkness come from in certain areas of africa, because "all africans are not the same", but as far as they are concerned there is no difference between someone of lets say Scottish heritage and someone of Russian heritage, because they are both white europeans (even though a large majority of russians live in Asia)

Dancin' Man
08-20-2005, 10:59 PM
"the guy over there with the dark skin" would also be considered racist by my university because it lumps them in as a group as opposed to gives recognition to their cultural heritage. The way they would want you to say it would be like "That african man over there, who is possibly from the region of Ghana" or whatever because they also tried to make us learn where different shades of darkness come from in certain areas of africa, because "all africans are not the same", but as far as they are concerned there is no difference between someone of lets say Scottish heritage and someone of Russian heritage, because they are both white europeans (even though a large majority of russians live in Asia)

I think that is more rediculous. By identifying someone based on the color of their skin is different than just calling them black. Saying "the guy with the dark skin... The really tall one, with the curly hair... between the really light skin and the guy who's really dark..." seems to me acceptable because it is a physical description with more thought than "black". It makes me think more of referring to someone as a red head or with the long beard rather than a white guy or a black guy.

Br3ad - upload?

slaughteredfirst
08-20-2005, 11:02 PM
"the guy over there with the dark skin" would also be considered racist by my university because it lumps them in as a group as opposed to gives recognition to their cultural heritage. The way they would want you to say it would be like "That african man over there, who is possibly from the region of Ghana" or whatever because they also tried to make us learn where different shades of darkness come from in certain areas of africa, because "all africans are not the same", but as far as they are concerned there is no difference between someone of lets say Scottish heritage and someone of Russian heritage, because they are both white europeans (even though a large majority of russians live in Asia)


My school is exatly like that.

If someone even says the three letters nig togather not even meaning it in a racist way they could be expelled.

Rascim is bs imo, its never going to go away because we are all going to prejudge someone when we first meet them.

br3ad_man
08-20-2005, 11:05 PM
I was about to upload a track but I thought I'd check their site first. Turns out the one I was going to upload is on there. It's absolutely amazing. Enjoy.

http://www.temporaryresidence.com/descriptions/mono_halcyon.mp3

RiceMonster
08-20-2005, 11:10 PM
I think many people use racism to their advantage now. There are many of them who will call you racist, if you tell them they're stupid. I'm also sick of hearing how "opressed" they are now. They aren't "opressed" anymore at all. Is there still racism? Yes. Are they "opressed"? No, and plus this is CANANDA. As far as I believe, Canada was never involved in the slavery of blacks. Without Canada, a lot of theit ancestors would't have been freed from slavery. In fact, Some Canadians had set up an "underground railroad" inwhich they helped blacks who were in slavery escape, and be free in Canada. But no, they still have to tell me I "opressed them".

Edit: I have no problem with blacks, I just think people are losing the idea of what racism truely is.

NJMetalMeister
08-20-2005, 11:50 PM
I think that is more rediculous. By identifying someone based on the color of their skin is different than just calling them black. Saying "the guy with the dark skin... The really tall one, with the curly hair... between the really light skin and the guy who's really dark..." seems to me acceptable because it is a physical description with more thought than "black". It makes me think more of referring to someone as a red head or with the long beard rather than a white guy or a black guy.

Br3ad - upload?

Well that is why my high school history teacher used to call the american university system "a foreign country". The PC crusaders as i like to call them have gone totally insane with this diversity concept. I have been told by my old roommates ex that I am racist by default just because i am a white male, and the only way to rectify it is to go to feminimity training, diversity training, and language training, but really as far as im concerned she is just taking the piss.

Dancin' Man
08-20-2005, 11:59 PM
Well that is why my high school history teacher used to call the american university system "a foreign country". The PC crusaders as i like to call them have gone totally insane with this diversity concept. I have been told by my old roommates ex that I am racist by default just because i am a white male, and the only way to rectify it is to go to feminimity training, diversity training, and language training, but really as far as im concerned she is just taking the piss.

If she thinks that then she is inadvertantly racist. Just like the Lynch movie, The Elephant Man. The doctor thinks he is doing John Merrick a service by helping him but he only further puts the man on display and exploits him. She thinks that by so magnifying the issue, she is helping stop it but she only rejuvenates it. Only by completely disregarding the exsistence of racism can it be nullfied.

NJMetalMeister
08-21-2005, 12:01 AM
If she thinks that then she is inadvertantly racist. Just like the Lynch movie, The Elephant Man. The doctor thinks he is doing John Merrick a service by helping him but he only further puts the man on display and exploits him. She thinks that by so magnifying the issue, she is helping stop it but she only rejuvenates it. Only by completely disregarding the exsistence of racism can it be nullfied.

shes extremely racist and segregationist, but if you told her that she would think youre insane, oh wait, mentally challenged, my mistake. But i digress from the topic this thread is about.

Yes, despite being racist, Arghoslent rules.

Same thing could be said for hardcore-ish punk band Blue Eyed Devils.

Dancin' Man
08-21-2005, 12:22 AM
And despite being awesome, Gorguts are.... well, awesome.

\m/ The Carnal State

i am the robots
08-21-2005, 01:07 AM
I still need to check out Gorguts, I used to have like 3 songs, but then I forgot to back those up when I reformatted :(.

CaptainWaits
08-21-2005, 01:15 AM
I finally heard another great Old School Death Metal group, Autopsy, and their album Severed Survival. That's the type of Death Metal I go for, none of the Brutal Death, though Technical is sometimes d*mn sweet. What do you guys think of Autopsy??

Dancin' Man
08-21-2005, 01:17 AM
Jondur has decided they are the best.

CaptainWaits
08-21-2005, 01:18 AM
Jondur has decided they are the best.
His opinion has been well thought too.

Dancin' Man
08-21-2005, 02:11 AM
No, your the only one

And you're an idiot. That post is over 3 years old. The forums were new and that was from death heads thread v.1. I think I will hate you until you prove yourself a valuable or helpful user.

manuscriptreplica
08-21-2005, 02:23 AM
I still need to check out Gorguts, I used to have like 3 songs, but then I forgot to back those up when I reformatted :(.

http://www.anus.com/metal/gorguts.html

Dancin' Man
08-21-2005, 02:30 AM
Other than audio samples, Anus sucks. It's Emperor article is especially retarded.

manuscriptreplica
08-21-2005, 03:04 AM
Oh, i wasn't aware they were samples. Sorry. :lol:

br3ad_man
08-21-2005, 06:35 AM
I was about to upload a track but I thought I'd check their site first. Turns out the one I was going to upload is on there. It's absolutely amazing. Enjoy.

http://www.temporaryresidence.com/descriptions/mono_halcyon.mp3


ahem Dancin Man

the2stranger
08-21-2005, 09:43 AM
dämn :angry:

what do you guys use to upload?
I used YSI , but it times out way too much lately.
now I'm using megaupload but it's slow as hell

so anyone?

Np: Sturmgeist - Shock & Awe

Apocalyptic Raids
08-21-2005, 09:47 AM
You could use rapidshare. Although that limits the amount someone can download in one hour. Shouldn't be the problem if its just one song or two.

the2stranger
08-21-2005, 09:59 AM
thanks

/uses Raqpidshare, it's quite fast :eek:

Dancin' Man
08-21-2005, 10:12 AM
ahem Dancin Man

I lie, the link is dead.

HappyMarshmellow
08-21-2005, 11:10 AM
I finally heard another great Old School Death Metal group, Autopsy, and their album Severed Survival. That's the type of Death Metal I go for, none of the Brutal Death, though Technical is sometimes d*mn sweet. What do you guys think of Autopsy??

I haven't heard Autopsy but I have a compilation of Abcess demos (with members from autopsy).

I heard the groups are similar. If you're talking about death metal that actually has a song structure and some catchy choruses with perverted topics and horrible guitar tone, then yes I like old school death metal.

Arucard
08-21-2005, 12:08 PM
I bought Drudkh : Autumn Aurora and its great. I also finally got my hands of Borknagar : Epic, but was slightly dissapointed.

My best metal purchase of the week was The Haunted : The Haunted Made Me Do It.

the2stranger
08-21-2005, 12:17 PM
you were disappointed by Borkanagar, and surpirised by The Haunted? :eek:

weird, Borknagar for teh win, although I haven't heard Epic

Arucard
08-21-2005, 12:22 PM
I thought it was going to be a good album, just not that good.

But that Borknagar album was just meh, Quintessence all the way.

the2stranger
08-21-2005, 12:42 PM
I like empiricism the best
I must really buy more borknagar albums

Vortigon
08-21-2005, 01:48 PM
I have all the Borknagar albums, they are all excellent. Epic is great, but I think it takes a little while to grow on you. But then, so did Quintessence when I first got that.

NP: Borknagar - Dauden

CaptainWaits
08-21-2005, 01:52 PM
If you're talking about death metal that actually has a song structure and some catchy choruses with perverted topics and horrible guitar tone, then yes I like old school death metal.
That's what I'm alking about ;)

i am the robots
08-21-2005, 02:47 PM
http://www.anus.com/metal/gorguts.html

thank you :thumb:

Special Brew
08-21-2005, 02:57 PM
I like empiricism the best
I must really buy more borknagar albums
I have heard rumors about them releasing an all acoustic album later this year.

Anyone know what all that is about? :confused:

Freezing Moon
08-21-2005, 03:00 PM
I finally heard another great Old School Death Metal group, Autopsy, and their album Severed Survival. That's the type of Death Metal I go for, none of the Brutal Death, though Technical is sometimes d*mn sweet. What do you guys think of Autopsy??
Autopsy is amazing. Pure excellence.

the2stranger
08-21-2005, 03:00 PM
To Damien
I have not heard anything about that, but if it is true, it would be great :D

np: Emperor - Cosmic Keys To My Creation An

Special Brew
08-21-2005, 03:09 PM
Blabbermouth regarding new Borknagar album (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=32887)


:eek:

the2stranger
08-21-2005, 03:23 PM
awesome :D

I hope there will be huge ammounts of Keyboardand that Lazare will do lots of Vocal harmonies, and backing vocals with Vintersorg

/Lazare fanboy

Special Brew
08-21-2005, 03:31 PM
Well, they did say there was going to be a wide range of instruments, so we can always hope :p

That is all the info I can find on this though. Strange, you'd think they would say something on their site. http://www.borknagar.com is the official site after all, isn't it?

Special Brew
08-21-2005, 03:32 PM
Also, I just heard about this prog-rock side project of Vintersorg's called Cronian. I can't wait to hear some.

the2stranger
08-21-2005, 03:35 PM
indeed, but a lot of bands have old info on their sites, esp. when touring or recording, it's annoying.

they also say, a large range of vocal styles, I wonder if there will be BM vocla s over accoustic riffs.
also I would love if Vortex and Garm made a slight contribution in the vocal department.
it would be wonderfull, Borknagar has had such talented vocalists

NJMetalMeister
08-21-2005, 03:36 PM
Well, they did say there was going to be a wide range of instruments, so we can always hope :p

That is all the info I can find on this though. Strange, you'd think they would say something on their site. http://www.borknagar.com is the official site after all, isn't it?

That info has been on the official borknagar messageboard for months now, any information updates is best to check there, not on their website which is barely updated ever.

Special Brew
08-21-2005, 03:41 PM
Okay, I will go browse their boards right now.

I love almost anything with Garm in it. I love that man. Harsh vocals over acoustics would sound so good. The only band I have heard do anything like that is From Auntumn To Ashes( :lol: ). Could you suggest any other groups who do that?

Special Brew
08-21-2005, 03:49 PM
Hello Folks!

As you may know, our next album will be an acoustic based album. The new album will mainly contain new songs, but we are just these days considering doing two bonus songs. And guess what.....we are thinking of doing two old songs in acoustic version. So in regards to that and on behalf of our curiosity, which two songs do you think are the most suitable for the purpose?
That is all the info I found on their message boards about the new album.

the2stranger
08-21-2005, 03:53 PM
Okay, I will go browse their boards right now.

I love almost anything with Garm in it. I love that man. Harsh vocals over acoustics would sound so good. The only band I have heard do anything like that is From Auntumn To Ashes( :lol: ). Could you suggest any other groups who do that?


uhm
My Dying Bride
there was posted something about a hilarious joke accoustic BM band, but I don't know what is was called.

Special Brew
08-21-2005, 03:59 PM
I've heard of them, I'll so Soulseek some stuff up.

Also, I think I asked you before and forgot, but what is your Soulseek username? You like the same stuff I do mostly, so I want to check out what I haven't heard .

Lord Abortion
08-21-2005, 04:01 PM
That's what I'm alking about ;)
me too...'tis clearly tenfold more metal!
/stole that... sorry to all concerned

NP-mayhem-necrolust

the2stranger
08-21-2005, 04:07 PM
I've heard of them, I'll so Soulseek some stuff up.

Also, I think I asked you before and forgot, but what is your Soulseek username? You like the same stuff I do mostly, so I want to check out what I haven't heard .

the2stranger

I'll be on for a few secs, so please contact me, so I know who you are.
I can't stay on long though, but I'll be happy to give you some albums

Special Brew
08-21-2005, 04:40 PM
Well, I walked off and played my guitar after my last comment so I am afraid I missed you.

My Soulseek username is Damien Rhodes, just like this one. My collection is poo right now, because I have been moving/deleting stuff. I will message you next time I see you on though.

Freezing Moon
08-21-2005, 04:54 PM
there was posted something about a hilarious joke accoustic BM band, but I don't know what is was called.

Impaled Northern Moonforest?

http://inm.necrobation.org/

Special Brew
08-21-2005, 04:57 PM
:lol: That band is great!

/me gets the desktop theme

Arucard
08-21-2005, 07:12 PM
Blabbermouth regarding new Borknagar album (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=32887)


:eek:

w00t! That looks great, i can't wait.

NP : Nightrage : Being Nothing.

Chu
08-21-2005, 07:37 PM
Impaled Northern Moonforest?

http://inm.necrobation.org/
:lol:

Terrorzone
08-21-2005, 09:56 PM
Impaled Northern Moonforest?

http://inm.necrobation.org/

I need one of those shirts.

Apocalyptic Raids
08-21-2005, 11:02 PM
So I visited my local library today, and borrowed none other than Leprosy and The Sound Of Perseverance. They also had Scream Bloody Gore, but I already have that. It was a pleasant suprise to say the least. :D

LeperAffinity
08-21-2005, 11:52 PM
****, that's a hell of a library.

RiceMonster
08-21-2005, 11:57 PM
****, that's a hell of a library.
No kidding. Metallica and Black Sabbath are the only metal bands who have albums at my library. It's excellent if your looking into classical music though. They have a very large selection of that.

Special Brew
08-22-2005, 12:51 AM
You can checkout CDs at your library? :eek:

Wtf?! Why doesn't my library have that!

Apocalyptic Raids
08-22-2005, 01:01 AM
heheh. Funny thing was I wasn't even looking for what I found. I went to get some Megadeth.

I also found Emperor's Best-Of and Coroner's R.I.P..

Slapping Penguin
08-22-2005, 01:04 AM
Hey guys yesterday I bought my first Cyptopsy CD. I had to choose between Blasphemy Made Flesh or And Then You'll Beg. I chose and And then.. because I prefered (doesn't mean I don't respect Lord Worms) the vocals and the production on Blasphemy would have annyoed me a bit. Doesn't mean I won't get it in the future. Well the albums is bloody good thats for sure.

Special Brew
08-22-2005, 01:04 AM
Where the hell do live man?

Chu
08-22-2005, 01:05 AM
My library has heaps of Australian artists, alot of Australian Jazz. I haven't ever been there for CDs, but my ex-girlfriend gave me some CDs of Australian Jazz musicians a while ago, which she had borrowed from the library.

Apocalyptic Raids
08-22-2005, 01:06 AM
Where the hell do live man?
Australia.

Slapping Penguin
08-22-2005, 01:12 AM
Yeah Man I live in Australia in the same town as Chu, Canberra. Why do you ask.

Special Brew
08-22-2005, 01:21 AM
Australia.
I don't think the US has libraries like that, not that I know of anyway.

Slapping Penguin
08-22-2005, 01:25 AM
Sorry I thought you were talking to me.

Deathcrush
08-22-2005, 03:02 AM
Since my soulseek isn't really working for me anymore, could anyone please upload any good funeral doom demos/albums for me. It would be totally appreciated, and I could try to pay back the favour. :)

Cheers in advance, although I assume this will go unnoticed.

Slapping Penguin
08-22-2005, 03:43 AM
Well Death I would like to ease the tension between us and do it but unfortunately I don't have any.

Riva
08-22-2005, 03:59 AM
My local library has an awesome CD collection. And they order stuff in for you also! I got a few DM cds from them once. :D

I live in Ausland too, by the way.

Slapping Penguin
08-22-2005, 04:07 AM
God I should really check my libary.

Apocalyptic Raids
08-22-2005, 04:43 AM
God I should really check my libary.
:lol:

Do you have MSN?

Wow Jason, they let you order stuff in?!? That owns.

br3ad_man
08-22-2005, 05:16 AM
Okay, I will go browse their boards right now.

I love almost anything with Garm in it. I love that man. Harsh vocals over acoustics would sound so good. The only band I have heard do anything like that is From Auntumn To Ashes( :lol: ). Could you suggest any other groups who do that?

Frostmourne :)

www.soundclick.com/frostmourne

"Blood Spatters The Snow As Battle Rages"

Slapping Penguin
08-22-2005, 06:24 AM
Yeah man I do have MSN add me if you want.

Domchapuis@hotmail.com

-Guitarded-
08-22-2005, 06:26 AM
lol cannibal corpse is lame.. I EAT HEAD

Apocalyptic Raids
08-22-2005, 06:29 AM
**** off retard.

-Guitarded-
08-22-2005, 06:57 AM
**** off retard.
iEATyOURrhEAD

Slapping Penguin
08-22-2005, 07:15 AM
Get out of here you tosser.

-Guitarded-
08-22-2005, 07:32 AM
you...you..you bad man.

loathed
08-22-2005, 07:52 AM
listen to in flames if you want to know what good death metal is...melo death ;)

Jondur
08-22-2005, 08:00 AM
shut up idiot. We all know who in flames are. And we all know that they're really not very good and that if we wanted to listen to Melodic Death Metal we'd dig out our copies of "A Velvet Creation" or "Incorrigible Bigotry"

Stoic
08-22-2005, 08:06 AM
I now OWN it: http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=56361 :cool:
japanese technical/melodic death metal slightly reminds me of arghoslent.

Deathcrush
08-22-2005, 08:49 AM
I wish soulseek was less of a prick to me. I'm checking out some doom, ranging from Nortt, Evoken, Skepticism and trying but failing to get others. :mad:

I really like Evoken. :)

Stoic
08-22-2005, 09:01 AM
DCC++ saved me :)

Jondur
08-22-2005, 09:52 AM
I wish soulseek was less of a prick to me. I'm checking out some SLOW DEATH METAL, ranging from Nortt, Evoken, Skepticism and trying but failing to get others. :mad:

I really like Evoken. :)

Not doom. If you do actually want some doom feel free to try me - same username on Soulseek.