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sickgoregrind
12-15-2004, 05:56 AM
Make sure the child headbangs to slayer in the womb.

Bartender
12-15-2004, 06:33 AM
Bit of off-topic news for you...

I'm going to be a dad! Yep, my girlfriend is three months pregnant! So that's it for gigs, drinking, loud music, drums etc for the next ten years or so! Time to be responsible! or maybe not....

Awesome, Jondur. Congrats.

LordDargon
12-15-2004, 06:40 AM
I got Apocalyptic Revelations, Dargon. It's class.
I salute your metal-ness
NP: Krisiun - March of the Black Hordes

So I am going to gloat about how I get to see Behemoth (twice) Suffocation, Cryptopsy and Nile all within a time span of 3 months.
I ****ING HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE YOU

Good work Jondur :thumb: I guess we get 6 more months to learn from your vast knowledge :(

On The Nocturnal Silence, there are apparently 2 versions with different track 5s... I have the rarer track 5, "Shadow of the Moon" which is like of ambient. Does anyone have the regular track 5 (forget what it's called) What does it sound like?

NJMetalMeister
12-15-2004, 11:07 AM
I just picked up the new album by the band Taliándörögd, and i must say this band has progressed from mediocre to excellent. Their EP that was released two years ago was pretty straight forward well produced run of the mill semi symphonic black metal, it is a decent EP, and worth the money because EPs are cheap, but the new cd is actually phenominal. This barely resembles black metal anymore. I really don't know what to describe this as anymore. The vocals are still the same black metal stuff, but the music has become much much slower. It almost sounds like they have thrown a little heavier rock sound into it.

Either way, i highly reccomend giving it a listen, because now they actually have a sound to call their own. they have some samples on their website http://taliandorogd.free.fr/ or if anyone wantsme to send you a song or two, you know how to contact me.

Sometimes france does surprise me ;)

bassaholica2004
12-15-2004, 01:12 PM
Anyone heard of a band called Abazgorath? They're a BM band. They're not as extreme as some bands, but they're pretty cool. Some cool lead lines in some of the songs.

And Bobo- I ****ing hate you too! Why don't any good bands come over to where I live? I can't wait till I'm 18. I wanna see Suffocation so bad, and you're seeing Cryptopsy too! I've never heard Behemoth, so can't comment there, but damn, you're lucky.

LordDargon
12-15-2004, 01:15 PM
Anyone heard of a band called Abazgorath? They're a BM band. They're not as extreme as some bands, but they're pretty cool. Some cool lead lines in some of the songs.

And Bobo- I ****ing hate you too! Why don't any good bands come over to where I live? I can't wait till I'm 18. I wanna see Suffocation so bad, and you're seeing Cryptopsy too! I've never heard Behemoth, so can't comment there, but damn, you're lucky.
I've only heard of them becuase Seth Putnam stole their name for an INM title.

Everyone go look at my Revenant thread.

NP: Revenant - Spawn

bassaholica2004
12-15-2004, 01:16 PM
I just picked up the new album by the band Taliándörögd, and i must say this band has progressed from mediocre to excellent. Their EP that was released two years ago was pretty straight forward well produced run of the mill semi symphonic black metal, it is a decent EP, and worth the money because EPs are cheap, but the new cd is actually phenominal. This barely resembles black metal anymore. I really don't know what to describe this as anymore. The vocals are still the same black metal stuff, but the music has become much much slower. It almost sounds like they have thrown a little heavier rock sound into it.

Either way, i highly reccomend giving it a listen, because now they actually have a sound to call their own. they have some samples on their website http://taliandorogd.free.fr/ or if anyone wantsme to send you a song or two, you know how to contact me.

Sometimes france does surprise me ;)

Whoa, that is weird stuff. Its like Black Rock. The acoustic part on the Cure was pretty weird, but it fits. The solo is cool too.

Mork Lyset
12-15-2004, 01:16 PM
Hey people, I'm kinda new here.. anyways I'm into:
Ensiferum
Burzum
Immortal
Anathema
...And Oceans
Darkthrone
Manegarm
Kampfar
Thyrfing
1349
Sarcofago
Troll
Angel Grinder

Those are most of the bands I really like...especially Angel Grinder

NJMetalMeister
12-15-2004, 01:17 PM
yeah the band basically made a smart move away from black metal if you ask me. then again i am not tr00 enough to listen to nothing but black metal all day. Then again if i were, i wouldnt have even liked taliandörögd's ep, for it is too well produced.

xizoesira
12-15-2004, 01:38 PM
Bit of off-topic news for you...

I'm going to be a dad! Yep, my girlfriend is three months pregnant! So that's it for gigs, drinking, loud music, drums etc for the next ten years or so! Time to be responsible! or maybe not....

...just bring the kid with!

I'm going to the Suffocation/Behemoth show Bobo, but **** you still for getting to see Cryptopsy. :evil:

superpeer
12-15-2004, 02:05 PM
Congrats, Jondur. :)

Per Ardua Ad Astra
12-15-2004, 02:10 PM
Nice, Jondur.

NP: Bathory - Bathory

Dark Hero
12-15-2004, 02:56 PM
Hey people, I'm kinda new here.. anyways I'm into:
Ensiferum
Burzum
Immortal
Anathema
...And Oceans
Darkthrone
Manegarm
Kampfar
Thyrfing
1349
Sarcofago
Troll
Angel Grinder

Those are most of the bands I really like...especially Angel Grinder

Sweet, some Viking-Metal. :)

RCA
12-15-2004, 03:07 PM
Dargon, I'm still missing three tracks of Elvenefris.

NJMetalMeister
12-15-2004, 03:10 PM
Dargon, I'm still missing three tracks of Elvenefris.

if you need Elvenefris i have it on soulseek: NJMetalMeister (it is caps sensitive), just message me telling me who you are so i can give you priority if you need them.

ninjamonkey
12-15-2004, 03:22 PM
Congrats Jondur!

On The Nocturnal Silence, there are apparently 2 versions with different track 5s... I have the rarer track 5, "Shadow of the Moon" which is like of ambient. Does anyone have the regular track 5 (forget what it's called) What does it sound like?
Send me Shadows of the Moon and I'll send you Inborn Evil

Jackle Chan da man
12-15-2004, 04:20 PM
has any one heard of a band called t cells?
also i'm not that big into metal so would they be classified as thrah metal

Dark Hero
12-15-2004, 06:44 PM
NP: The Gathering - Stonegarden


These guys need more attention, honestly.

Bartender
12-15-2004, 06:47 PM
I've heard some of their stuff, and it's not very good. Not good enough to make me want to look further into them, anyway.

Dark Hero
12-15-2004, 06:56 PM
I've heard some of their stuff, and it's not very good. Not good enough to make me want to look further into them, anyway.

Well they kind of have 2 different sides, one is kind of a gothic side and the other is more of a death-metal side, maybe you should download King for a Day or Stonegarden if you havn't heard their death metal stuff. :thumb:

xizoesira
12-15-2004, 07:53 PM
I'll check out the deathier stuff. I have Mandylion and it's pretty boring.

I need to get myself wisened/pumped up for Suffocation in time for the show. I have Pierced From Within, are any of the others essential? Is the new one good?

bassaholica2004
12-15-2004, 08:03 PM
I'll check out the deathier stuff. I have Mandylion and it's pretty boring.

I need to get myself wisened/pumped up for Suffocation in time for the show. I have Pierced From Within, are any of the others essential? Is the new one good?

I have Souls to Deny, and its one of my favorite DM albums already. The production really rocks, the vocals sound apart from the music, giving it a different feel than most albums. The bass is there though, both guitar and drums, and you can feel it, especially when he plays his double-kicks. I highly suggest it.

bassaholica2004
12-15-2004, 08:32 PM
http://www.ticketmaster.com/venue/246294

Suck on this, Bobo!!!! I'll be off probation by then, and I can probably convince my parental units to let this be my sort of "getting-off-probation" present. Ahhh I can't believe it! Suffocation, with Cattle Decaptitation and Behemoth as support. THEN, about a month later, Cryptopsy with Cattle Decap, DevilInside, and Autumn Offering! I just gotta find someone to drive me 3 hours away.

Bartender
12-15-2004, 08:34 PM
I'll check out the deathier stuff. I have Mandylion and it's pretty boring.

I need to get myself wisened/pumped up for Suffocation in time for the show. I have Pierced From Within, are any of the others essential? Is the new one good?

From what I've heard, Effigy of the Forgotten is good, if you can find it. metal-archives reviews suggest that the Despise the Sun EP is also good (97% average over seven reviews), but I haven't heard it.

manuscriptreplica
12-15-2004, 08:46 PM
Congrats Jondur :smoke:

I have Effigy of the Forgotten, it's pretty good

From South of Heaven
12-15-2004, 08:51 PM
Kick ****in *** Bands
36 Crazyfists
ATREYU
S.O.A.D.
Underoath
OK So there metalcore
Damageplan
Hatebreed
Killswitch Engage
Mu Dv Ay Ne
Pantera
Slayer
Slipknot :evil:

Ihsahn
12-15-2004, 08:52 PM
After seeing Satyricon last night, my respect for Joey Jordison has increasde 100-fold. He did an absolutely INCREDIBLE job filling in for Frost. Even though his presence resulted in Slipknot kiddies being there, wondering why Satyricon weren't playing any Slipknot covers and being scared as **** when they took the stage, he did an absolutely phenomenal job. He was incredible tight and precise for the most part... sped up a bit here and there... but otherwise... great. Sound was awesome, setlist, which I managed to score a copy of, was equally awesome.

Walk the Path of Sorrow
Angstridden
Filthgrinder
Possessed
Forhekset
With Ravenous Hunger
Prime Evil Renaissance
Repined Bastard Nation
Fuel for Hatred
Hvite Krist Did
Encore: Raise the Dead (Bathory Cover)
Mother North

It was an absolutely brilliant show, even though doors were an hour late and everyone had to wait in ****in' freezing weather.

bassaholica2004
12-15-2004, 08:55 PM
Kick ****in *** Bands
36 Crazyfists
ATREYU
S.O.A.D.
Underoath
OK So there metalcore
Damageplan
Hatebreed
Killswitch Engage
Mu Dv Ay Ne
Pantera
Slayer
Slipknot :evil:

Ughh, we were on a roll with good noobs too. :upset:


And Ihsan, JJ can fill in for Frost, and actually sound good? That guys a ****ing beast in 1349!

manuscriptreplica
12-15-2004, 09:01 PM
Joey Jordison is rather underrated, like Ihsahn said he is excellent. But no one can beat Frost (especially since I just found out his is in 1349 too!)

Ihsahn
12-15-2004, 09:02 PM
Ughh, we were on a roll with good noobs too. :upset:


And Ihsan, JJ can fill in for Frost, and actually sound good? That guys a ****ing beast in 1349!

Yeah. Joey was actually awesome. He did everything properly with a really natural drum sound, and Satyricon played faster than on their albums too. I hope Joey realises that he has some talent, leaves Slipsuck and joins a metal band after this Satyricon tour.

bassaholica2004
12-15-2004, 09:10 PM
Yeah. Joey was actually awesome. He did everything properly with a really natural drum sound, and Satyricon played faster than on their albums too. I hope Joey realises that he has some talent, leaves Slipsuck and joins a metal band after this Satyricon tour.

Eh, I'll believe it when I see it. I saw a solo JJ did, and supposedly it was "godly," but it was really slow and sloppy, and his double-bass blasts really sucked.

Ihsahn
12-15-2004, 09:14 PM
Eh, I'll believe it when I see it. I saw a solo JJ did, and supposedly it was "godly," but it was really slow and sloppy, and his double-bass blasts really sucked.

Yeah, that solo wasn't good, and I had really huge doubts going into the show. He isn't godly or perfect (as I said he sped up a bit in places), but he did a **** good job.

CabbageStabbage
12-15-2004, 09:21 PM
Even though his presence resulted in Slipknot kiddies being there, wondering why Satyricon weren't playing any Slipknot covers and being scared as **** when they took the stage

:lol:

Nice, did any of the aforementioned slipknot kiddies get pummelled?

LegionsofMarduk
12-15-2004, 09:23 PM
Joey is a decent drummer. Underrated and certainly better than what he shows in Slipknot. I'm just jealous that you got to see Satyricon. Even if it wasn't with Frost. I still want to see them.

BoboTheRagingHobo
12-15-2004, 10:17 PM
http://www.ticketmaster.com/venue/246294

Suck on this, Bobo!!!! I'll be off probation by then, and I can probably convince my parental units to let this be my sort of "getting-off-probation" present. Ahhh I can't believe it! Suffocation, with Cattle Decaptitation and Behemoth as support. THEN, about a month later, Cryptopsy with Cattle Decap, DevilInside, and Autumn Offering! I just gotta find someone to drive me 3 hours away.


Febuary 4th - Suffocation, Behemoth and Cattle Decapitation
March 15th - Cryoptosy, Cattle Decapitation, DevilInside and Autumn Offering
May 6th (day before my birtday wewt ) - King Diamond, Nile, Behemoth and The Black Dahlia Murder.



:cool: :chug:

bassaholica2004
12-15-2004, 11:03 PM
Febuary 4th - Suffocation, Behemoth and Cattle Decapitation
March 15th - Cryoptosy, Cattle Decapitation, DevilInside and Autumn Offering
May 6th (day before my birtday wewt ) - King Diamond, Nile, Behemoth and The Black Dahlia Murder.
:cool: :chug:

Where do you live? Also, are Behemoth any good? I've heard of them but haven't heard them.

xizoesira
12-15-2004, 11:33 PM
Behemoth are amazing.

Yea, well, I'm seeing them two days before you, Bobo! :P

BoboTheRagingHobo
12-15-2004, 11:33 PM
Where do you live? Also, are Behemoth any good? I've heard of them but haven't heard them.


I live in Oregon.

And Behemoth is beyond good...check them out now!

bassaholica2004
12-15-2004, 11:37 PM
I'll try to find some on Soulseek. Its been hard to find things lately though.

wickednerve
12-15-2004, 11:52 PM
i just joined and am into melodic death/black metal
can some members point me in the direction of other bands such as the haunted, at the gates, opeth, COF, Amon Amarth etc.
My death metal library is a little small

^Dream~Theater^
12-15-2004, 11:54 PM
i just joined and am into melodic death/black metal
can some members point me in the direction of other bands such as the haunted, at the gates, opeth, COF, Amon Amarth etc.
My death metal library is a little small
Dark tranquility, arch enemy, soilwork, in flames, children of bodom, norther, kalmah, arsis, gardenian, graveworm, and oceans, shadows fall

bassaholica2004
12-16-2004, 12:23 AM
Anyone picked up Decapitated- Negation? This album is a monster! Great leads, great vocals, and its heavy as hell. The drums are pretty good, but theres better. You should all check this out though.

UNDERAGE
12-16-2004, 12:58 AM
Anyone listen to the band called "Rotten Sound"? they slay

xizoesira
12-16-2004, 01:04 AM
Anyone picked up Decapitated- Negation? This album is a monster! Great leads, great vocals, and its heavy as hell. The drums are pretty good, but theres better. You should all check this out though.

Excellent album. The Fury and the Negation = \m/

bassaholica2004
12-16-2004, 01:15 AM
Excellent album. The Fury and the Negation = \m/

**** ya man! Heavy as **** death metal! On M-A, people are saying its THE album of the year, and I think its pretty high up there. Too bad its kinda short. Its only 30 minutes in its entirety, but its still a great album.

xizoesira
12-16-2004, 01:24 AM
**** ya man! Heavy as **** death metal! On M-A, people are saying its THE album of the year, and I think its pretty high up there. Too bad its kinda short. Its only 30 minutes in its entirety, but its still a great album.

Heh, I wouldn't for a second call it best of 2004, but it is certainly excellent.

lilpete86
12-16-2004, 02:53 AM
Bit of off-topic news for you...

I'm going to be a dad! Yep, my girlfriend is three months pregnant! So that's it for gigs, drinking, loud music, drums etc for the next ten years or so! Time to be responsible! or maybe not....

Congrats man :chug:

Jondur
12-16-2004, 03:51 AM
Thanks to all - I am truly happy with this. Time to corrupt the next generation - what's the betting that Jondur Jnrs first word is "Candlemass"??!!

Anyhow I'm getting in some serious metal playing time before I get relegated to listening to the Tweenies! Today is Autopsy day - listened to Severed Survival and Mental Funeral in the car on the way to work, now I've got the demos on my walkman, couple of live bootlegs to go then it's Acts of the Unspeakable and Sh1tfun on the way home.

LordDargon
12-16-2004, 06:58 AM
Congrats Jondur!


Send me Shadows of the Moon and I'll send you Inborn Evil
Deal.

Jondur: You have a schedule for listening to metal now :lol:

About Suffocation, Souls to Deny is beyond excellent, and Effigy of the Forgotten is great too.

I just downloaded Disgorge - Consume the Forsaken. What do you think

Bartender
12-16-2004, 08:41 AM
I haven't heard it. Which Disgorge is it?

NJMetalMeister
12-16-2004, 08:51 AM
he probably meant the mexican disgorge, because the one from california is *** terrible.

LordDargon
12-16-2004, 08:55 AM
No, USA :p

ninjamonkey
12-16-2004, 04:22 PM
Yeah, that's the US one. They got good reviews of M-A

Suffocation - Effigy and Pierced are good. I haven't heard the other stuff.

deathaholic
12-16-2004, 04:24 PM
hey all.....any other death metal fans in here?

**** i listen to:

Morbid Angel
Nile
Meshuggah
Isis
Malevolent Creation
Nevermore
Pain Of Salvation
Cannibal Corpse
Origin
Exhumed



Trey Azagthoth is god.
Hell yeah there are other death metal fans in here :confused:

Per Ardua Ad Astra
12-16-2004, 04:34 PM
Encore: Raise the Dead (Bathory Cover)
Mother North

I would go, only to see those two songs.

LordDargon
12-16-2004, 04:51 PM
Yeah, that's the US one. They got good reviews of M-A

Suffocation - Effigy and Pierced are good. I haven't heard the other stuff.
Those reviews are a little overeager. But still, it's good stuff. Just not worth 100% or 95% :p

Dark Hero
12-16-2004, 05:45 PM
My bands name was Disgorge for a little bit until we found out it was already a band name. :-(

RCA
12-16-2004, 06:02 PM
Dargon, our quest to get me Elvenefris has finally ended.

NP: Lykathea Aflame - A Step Closer

LordDargon
12-16-2004, 06:06 PM
Dargon, our quest to get me Elvenefris has finally ended.

NP: Lykathea Aflame - A Step Closer
The time has come... TO BANG OUR HEADS ETERNALLY!!!

NP: Lykathea Aflame - Bringer of Elvenefris Flame

Cardboard Headgear
12-16-2004, 06:11 PM
So, no one has anything to say on Calvarium or Mercenary?


:upset:

EDIT: Haha I lost rep points on a post that was over two months old in the official Megadeth thread. Lollerskates.

Per Ardua Ad Astra
12-16-2004, 06:52 PM
I'll rep you back up to the 4 that you were at Cardboard.

NP: Nargaroth - Black metal ist Krieg

Mekkalayakay
12-16-2004, 06:56 PM
I've had Hollenthon on my soulseek wishlist for a few days now, and I finally got results. :eek:

NP: Ulver - Hymn III (Wolf and Hatred)

Fallen Zero
12-16-2004, 07:35 PM
This is a bit unrelated, but i recently got into a grindcore band with death vocals (in some songs), called Leng Tch'e. You guys should really check 'em out. And on a random note, how are you supposed to pronounce their name?

ninjamonkey
12-16-2004, 09:01 PM
NP: Enslaved - As Fire Swept Clean the Earth

Per Ardua Ad Astra
12-16-2004, 09:11 PM
As Fire Swept Clean the Earth is probably the best opener to a CD in the past few years.

That is such a great album.

bassaholica2004
12-16-2004, 10:35 PM
Heh, I wouldn't for a second call it best of 2004, but it is certainly excellent.

What would you say is the best? I haven't heard many albums from this year, as I've been trying to do my homework on all the oldschool bands first. So far the best I've heard from this year (that I can remember) are Suffocation's Souls to Deny and Decapitated's The Negation. Anyone know any other heavy DM bands like Decapitated? They roxors my soxors.

Freezing Moon
12-16-2004, 10:53 PM
Behemoth - Zos Kia Cultus is an amazing album.

Terminal Spirit
12-16-2004, 11:31 PM
Anyone listen to the band called "Rotten Sound"? they slay

Rotten Sound are indeed a great band. I have yet to hear their very newest, but I loved Murderworks, as well as Drain and Under Pressure. Murderworks was a brutal slab of music, with fewer catchy songs than Drain or Under Pressure. While I like the newer vocal approach better, I thought that the song-writing on the earlier, more punky stuff, was better.

I just downloaded Disgorge - Consume the Forsaken. What do you think

I found Consume the Forsaken and She Lay Gutted entertaining, although somewhat generic. Cranial Impalement is my favorite effort of theirs.

This is a bit unrelated, but i recently got into a grindcore band with death vocals (in some songs), called Leng Tch'e. You guys should really check 'em out. And on a random note, how are you supposed to pronounce their name?

There are better grindcore bands out there. Death by a Thousand Cuts left much to be desired, but what I've heard from Man-made Predator sounds promising. Svencho's main band, Aborted, are far superior.

Jondur
12-17-2004, 03:26 AM
I haven't heard it. Which Disgorge is it?

What happened to the tradition of calling them Caligorge and Mexigorge? Saves any confusion.

Terminal - any other grindy recommendations? As you probably know I'm into the punkier, crusty old school stuff and really since the demise of Brutal Truth only Nasum have done it for me.

manuscriptreplica
12-17-2004, 04:11 AM
Hell yeah there are other death metal fans in here :confused:

Yeah there's only like 500 pages worth of death-metal related stuff

NP 1349 - Manifest

LordDargon
12-17-2004, 06:44 AM
Svencho's main band, Aborted, are far superior.
Aborted \m/
Not really grind though.

I'm downloading Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness atm. So far it's the only Carcass I haven't heard some of. should be great.

LegionsofMarduk
12-17-2004, 06:57 AM
There are better grindcore bands out there. Death by a Thousand Cuts left much to be desired, but what I've heard from Man-made Predator sounds promising. Svencho's main band, Aborted, are far superior.

Man Made Predator is actually pretty decent. I haven't heard anything else by them though. Have you heard Aborted's newest, The Heamatobic EP? It's pretty decent. It's got a few new tracks and a couple live tracks.

NP: Aborted - Gestated Rabidity

Cardboard Headgear
12-17-2004, 07:56 AM
Dargon: If you're digging the Carcass, make it a point to listen to Impaled. It's like Carcass changed their name and moved to Oakland.

NP: We'd like to welcome you to the operating theater! *air drums along*

angel_grinder420
12-17-2004, 09:09 AM
I like:

Morbid Angel
Death
Obituary
Circle of Dead Children
Cattle Decapitation
Watch Them Die
Cryptopsy (Lord Worm days)
FleshGrind
Exhumed
Cannibal Corpse
Six Feet Under

Actually, the first real METAL I ever heard was Morbid Angel - Where the Slime Live, so I have to give them credit for corrupting me. And Chuck Schuldiner is god.

guitarist105
12-17-2004, 09:22 AM
Anyone here like Necrophagist?

Awesome Tech Death band. Also Decapitated (mainly winds of creation era) kick ***.

LegionsofMarduk
12-17-2004, 09:48 AM
Anyone here like Necrophagist?

Awesome Tech Death band. Also Decapitated (mainly winds of creation era) kick ***.

Hell yeah. I think most of us like Necrophagist. Check out Sinners Bleed as well. They're the closest thing I've heard to Necrophagist. From Womb To Tomb is an excellent album.

LordDargon
12-17-2004, 10:11 AM
I like:

Morbid Angel
Death
Obituary
Circle of Dead Children
Cattle Decapitation
Watch Them Die
Cryptopsy (Lord Worm days)
FleshGrind
Exhumed
Cannibal Corpse
Six Feet Under

Actually, the first real METAL I ever heard was Morbid Angel - Where the Slime Live, so I have to give them credit for corrupting me. And Chuck Schuldiner is god.
I think you will fit in here just fine :)


Dude that likes Necrophagist: Also grab Psycroptic - Scepter of the Ancients. It's similar.

The Depressed
12-17-2004, 11:46 AM
NP: We'd like to welcome you to the operating theater! *air drums along*

That's such a groovy song. Cool video too.

Stoic
12-17-2004, 02:44 PM
does anyone know where can I get detailed info on ATHEIST releases (eg lps, re-releases, original copies etc)? I've found PIECE OF TIME and UNQUESTIONABLE PRESENCE (CDs) at a (relatively) very low price and I'm thinking it's too good to be true. Is there any possibility to be fake or something?

Shadows
12-17-2004, 03:08 PM
Man Made Predator is actually pretty decent. I haven't heard anything else by them though. Have you heard Aborted's newest, The Heamatobic EP? It's pretty decent. It's got a few new tracks and a couple live tracks.

NP: Aborted - Gestated Rabidity
Dude, Aborted is amazing. I'll actually be reviewing the EP pretty soon - but what do you think of Goremageddon? I've never heard Bartender talk about Aborted unfortunately...

crazyeyeskylla
12-17-2004, 03:48 PM
you guys know that death metal is named after the band death right if you like death metal youve got to give them some respect. R.I.P. Chuck

NJMetalMeister
12-17-2004, 03:55 PM
you guys know that death metal is named after the band death right if you like death metal youve got to give them some respect. R.I.P. Chuck

No, youre wrong, it was named after a guy named David Deathmansonsen.

/glances back to his own avatar for a moment

Yeah, definitely David Deathmansonsen

LordDargon
12-17-2004, 04:00 PM
:lol: what a fu.cking stupid n00b, I guess they stopped being on sale at the store.


DTPP: I'd give Goremageddon a 4/5 :)

Shadows
12-17-2004, 04:19 PM
Oh my, 'tis quite an album me thinks.

David Deathmansonsen? What the hell is the matter with you?




I'm pretty sure his first name was Bob...

Bartender
12-17-2004, 04:31 PM
Dude, Aborted is amazing. I'll actually be reviewing the EP pretty soon - but what do you think of Goremageddon? I've never heard Bartender talk about Aborted unfortunately...

Heh, why me in particular? I've just not heard them, so I couldn't really talk about them if I wanted to.

Shadows
12-17-2004, 04:55 PM
I don't know, it just struck me like "hey, why have I never said anything to Bartender about death metal?"

Dark Hero
12-17-2004, 05:37 PM
I thought they would just be generic death metal at first but it turns out I was wrong.

Freezing Moon
12-17-2004, 05:39 PM
I listen to:
Morbid Angel
Behemoth
Nile
Death
Cryptopsy
some Cannibal Corpse

I'm sure it's been asked, but since I don't feel like reading over 450 pages...

What would you guys recommend to get into some more death metal similar or more extreme than the stuff I posted above?

I'm already heavily into Melodic Death and some am getting more into Black Metal.

Dark Hero
12-17-2004, 05:41 PM
I've noticed that no one here ever mentions Hate Eternal, they are one of my favorite death metal bands..

ninjamonkey
12-17-2004, 07:40 PM
NP: Demigod - The Forlorn

Cardboard Headgear
12-17-2004, 08:10 PM
Picked up Enslaved's Below The Lights (for $9) and Severed Savior's Brutality Is Law ($7) among other things today (Blind Guardian dvd and Vintersorg's Visions From The Spiral Generator). I'm loving the Enslaved, but Severed Savior just doesn't do it for me. Not really, I dont know, original enough? I don't really know, usually I get along with the real brutal stuff just fine, but I'm not digging this one. Oh well, it was cheap, and 3/4 aint bad at all.

ninjamonkey
12-17-2004, 11:32 PM
I know what you mean, some brutal death can get pretty redundant.

LegionsofMarduk
12-17-2004, 11:38 PM
Dude, Aborted is amazing. I'll actually be reviewing the EP pretty soon - but what do you think of Goremageddon? I've never heard Bartender talk about Aborted unfortunately...

Goremageddon is a great album. I think they really did a good job with that album. The Purity of Perversion and Engineering the Dead were both good albums, but I think they really pulled it together for Goremageddon. The production is better, the songs are structured well...just an all in all good album.

Mekkalayakay
12-17-2004, 11:44 PM
I found this old Headbanger's ball video (the original Headbanger's Ball) with Pestilence playing Land of Tears. It kicks so much ***, but the guy I was downloading it from cancelled, and I can't find it again. I've only got 41 seconds of it. :upset:

atremore
12-17-2004, 11:56 PM
My favourite styles are more black/ doom metal, and a like a lot of death metal too.

Some Great DM bands:
Meshuggah
Dissection
Anathema (the first album only!)
Winter
At The Gates (again, only the first release!)
Cryptopsy
(old) Sepultura
Slayer
Damage
Nile

There's probably heaps more I can't think of right now. Does anyone know an Australian band called Portal? They are the most frightening, extreme, raw/ organic yet technically proficient sounding band I've ever heard/ seen. I think they transcend genres, but I suppose there is a death metal hint to them.

Check out:

www.portalabode.cjb.net/

the grand chalupa
12-17-2004, 11:57 PM
i like celtic frost
everything else is inferior

atremore
12-17-2004, 11:59 PM
i like celtic frost
everything else is inferior

Hahaha... you're a comedian, right?

the grand chalupa
12-18-2004, 12:00 AM
yes
that would be correct
the only better band would be helhammer

bassaholica2004
12-18-2004, 12:07 AM
Does anyone else not like gore lyrics? I mean, you can't really understand the vocals anyway, but a lot of the gore bands sound for the most part very similar, and very boring. I've noticed that bands that actually sing about real issues have better music and usually vocals. I'm just sick of people thinking that these gore bands are so brutal and x-treme when their lyrics, and music, means nothing. They seem to me like DM posers.

atremore
12-18-2004, 12:29 AM
yes
that would be correct
the only better band would be helhammer


:lol:

the grand chalupa
12-18-2004, 12:32 AM
:lol:
see... like a magician or an adult film star i can put a smile on your face

Terminal Spirit
12-18-2004, 01:20 AM
Terminal - any other grindy recommendations? As you probably know I'm into the punkier, crusty old school stuff and really since the demise of Brutal Truth only Nasum have done it for me.

Older Rotten Sound should do well for you, as well as Razorback's own Birdflesh. Some other excellent, if somewhat hard to find bands which would fit your criteria are Sickened and Gerbe of Life. Both crusty death/grind.

ninjamonkey
12-18-2004, 01:33 AM
As I have previously stated:

Intestine Baalism is SOOOOOOOO good.

bassaholica2004
12-18-2004, 01:39 AM
As I have previously stated:

Intestine Baalism is SOOOOOOOO good.

Yeah they're pretty cool. They seemed to me like death/thrash, though. Kinda wierd to heard those vox from a little Japanese guy.

ninjamonkey
12-18-2004, 01:42 AM
where do you see the death/thrash? they are melodic death.

Yeah, the only improvement I could make to the band is making the guy growl lower. I've heard their songs pitch-shifted down and they sound even better. Especially, the vocals.

bassaholica2004
12-18-2004, 01:49 AM
where do you see the death/thrash? they are melodic death.

Yeah, the only improvement I could make to the band is making the guy growl lower. I've heard their songs pitch-shifted down and they sound even better. Especially, the vocals.

Well, I only got 2 songs, but on both the drums are very thrashy. Its not a bad thing, I love thrash. Especially Anatomy of the Beast, its very thrashy. And I thought he had a decent growl. Its not as gargled or gurgled as a lot of bands, which is a plus, and it reminds me of a higher Antii from Demilich.

Toozey
12-18-2004, 03:57 AM
Immolation-Harnessing_Ruin-(Advance)-2005-KzT.tar

One of a Kind
12-18-2004, 06:34 AM
Can anyone tell me what a hyperblast is?

Toozey
12-18-2004, 08:26 AM
No such thing.

Dancin' Man
12-18-2004, 09:25 AM
A name some retard gave to a blast beat me-thinks.

Bartender
12-18-2004, 09:38 AM
I thought it was some style of drumming, which Kataklysm (amongst others) used. Not sure exactly it is, just thought I'd heard it mentioned.

Mekkalayakay
12-18-2004, 10:30 AM
A hyperblast is probably a really fast single handed snare drum roll using singles. Sounds like an ultra tr00 cool version of a blastbeat.

Arucard
12-18-2004, 10:34 AM
Recomend me some death, that will help me get into death!
Ive tried Cryptopsy, Death and Nile, and none appealed to me. Any ideas?

Toozey
12-18-2004, 11:01 AM
I thought it was some style of drumming, which Kataklysm (amongst others) used. Not sure exactly it is, just thought I'd heard it mentioned.

You're probably thinking of a gravity blast which is actually a technique whereas "hyper blast" is just made up.

Bartender
12-18-2004, 11:02 AM
Ah, that could well be it. What's a gravity blast, then?

Dancin' Man
12-18-2004, 11:05 AM
Well it's this thing in video games that have gravity guns in the where.....

/my 10th post in this thread and it's spam

Mekkalayakay
12-18-2004, 11:11 AM
Recomend me some death, that will help me get into death!
Ive tried Cryptopsy, Death and Nile, and none appealed to me. Any ideas?

Keep trying. If you can get used to Lordworm from Cryptopsy, you are good to go from there.

RCA
12-18-2004, 11:11 AM
I always thought a gravity blast was when you hit the edge of a snare drum so it sounds like you hit it twice.

bassaholica2004
12-18-2004, 11:31 AM
Recomend me some death, that will help me get into death!
Ive tried Cryptopsy, Death and Nile, and none appealed to me. Any ideas?

You might wanna start with some Morbid Angel, then start listening to the other ones. Cryptopsy is pretty hard to listen to if you've never heard DM before, but Death should be good. I've never really heard Nile, so I can't comment on them. But yeah, get some Morbid Angel, listen to more Death, and you'll probably come to like Cryptopsy and other DM bands.

Dark Hero
12-18-2004, 11:37 AM
NP: Hate Eternal - Dethroned

sensitiveorgan00
12-18-2004, 11:49 AM
Can anyone tell me what a hyperblast is?

Basically a two footed Suffocation blast at high speeds. Flo M. uses this a lot.

A gravity blast is a blast that utilizes the one handed roll technique, using the rim of the (snare) drum as a fulcrum. John Longstreth uses this quite a bit as well.

bassaholica2004
12-18-2004, 11:53 AM
Basically a two footed Suffocation blast at high speeds. Flo M. uses this a lot.

A gravity blast is a blast that utilizes the one handed roll technique, using the rim of the (snare) drum as a fulcrum. John Longstreth uses this quite a bit as well.

What I don't get is how these drummers can play so loud so fast. I mean, to get that fast, the drumstick must be pretty low to the drum, right? Thats how I do it anyway. Its hard to get it loud, though, because you're concentrating on speed.

NP: Solstice of Suffering- Beaten to Silence

sensitiveorgan00
12-18-2004, 11:59 AM
What I don't get is how these drummers can play so loud so fast. I mean, to get that fast, the drumstick must be pretty low to the drum, right? Thats how I do it anyway. Its hard to get it loud, though, because you're concentrating on speed.

NP: Solstice of Suffering- Beaten to Silence

Triggers and mics my friend. ;)

bassaholica2004
12-18-2004, 12:07 PM
I'm a noob to drums, whats a trigger? I hear about them all the time. Is it something that cleans the sound or something?

sensitiveorgan00
12-18-2004, 12:11 PM
I'm a noob to drums, whats a trigger? I hear about them all the time. Is it something that cleans the sound or something?

"Triggering a kit is an extremly simple and cost efficient way to amplify. Basically all you need to do this is a module, triggers, and cables and your set to plug into a PA. For those of you that need explanation, a trigger is an sensor element (usually a Peizo crystal), that senses the vibration on a drumhead or shell caused by you striking the drum, the trigger sends what it pics up to a sound module, which converts the signal into whatever preset sound you've assigned to that channel. The biggest problem your going to run into is double triggering. Double triggering is a result of a trigger picking up vibrations of the head after you've struck it, in essence making the trigger and module think you've hit the drum more than once, you'll know what it is when it happens. There's a couple remedies for this. First you can start with the drums, there's mainly two things you can do, loosen the heads so they don't vibrate as much, or muffle them, you can muffle them slightly or go all out and stuff them full of padding. Or, on some models of triggers (ie, Trigger Perfect) there's a sensitivity adjustment directly on the trigger. Or you can go to the module, most have a few settings you can use to adjust the sensitivity, gain, etc. With any one or comination of those you should be able to eliminate any false or double triggering problems."

-Excerp taken from http://www.guitar-dominion.com/emd/mics_trigs.htm

bassaholica2004
12-18-2004, 12:19 PM
Oh, makes sense. I've heard theres something that some bands use on their bass drums that double the kick or something, so it sounds like the can double-bass really well. Is that a trigger with the double triggering thing on?

sensitiveorgan00
12-18-2004, 12:55 PM
Oh, makes sense. I've heard theres something that some bands use on their bass drums that double the kick or something, so it sounds like the can double-bass really well. Is that a trigger with the double triggering thing on?

First, I'm not an expert on triggers, since I don't have/use them. However, I wouldn't find double triggering a real advantage, since the double bassage would probably sound sloppy and not tight. The big name modern death drummers practice a shi.t load to get to where they're at now, and they wouldn't need the use of 'double triggering'.

RNR
12-18-2004, 12:58 PM
The guy from Nile uses triggers very effectively. He plays extremely fast yet barely moves. It's pretty funny looking.

ninjamonkey
12-18-2004, 01:11 PM
They don't/can't trigger cymbals can they? they just mic those?

RCA
12-18-2004, 01:14 PM
My cousin's friend is a drummer that's into death metal, I'll ask him about all of this.

sensitiveorgan00
12-18-2004, 01:22 PM
They don't/can't trigger cymbals can they? they just mic those?

I have never seen real cymbals that were triggered, but I'm not saying it's not possible.

My cousin's friend is a drummer that's into death metal, I'll ask him about all of this.

Nice, that'll be helpful.

ghoulfriend1334
12-18-2004, 02:03 PM
I'm pretty sure you can trigger cymbals, I think my friend has before. But then again, I could be wrong.
-ghoulfriend-

ninjamonkey
12-18-2004, 02:08 PM
It seems triggerign cymbals would be hard to do. It seems like it would pick up sounds from the other drums like an overhead mic would.

Stoic
12-18-2004, 02:32 PM
god I have NO IDEA of drums...Btw, are you guys musicians? I have a guitar but I suck so much that I've almost given it up.

Per Ardua Ad Astra
12-18-2004, 02:43 PM
Well, this is a musicians forum...

BoboTheRagingHobo
12-18-2004, 02:45 PM
Necrophagist's Onset Of Putrefaction is an awesome album...

Shadows
12-18-2004, 02:53 PM
Yes, yes it is. I agree.

RCA
12-18-2004, 03:55 PM
Oh yeah it is. Fermented Offal Discharge is STILL stuck in my head.

XoListenen
12-18-2004, 04:04 PM
Such a great song. Still deciding if i will go see them in March.

PIGS(1 different one)
12-18-2004, 04:08 PM
(off topic)

Does anyone know what covers children of bodom have done and recorded?
I wanna make a full cd of all their covers, as they tend to be quite good.

craggyisland
12-18-2004, 04:12 PM
http://www.coversproject.com/artist/Children+Of+Bodom

Can't guarantee the accuracy of it, but there's some there.

EDIT: Not that they're death metal, of course... ;)

bassaholica2004
12-18-2004, 04:21 PM
They did Europe's Final Countdown? :lol: :lol:
Then again, they do kinda remind me of Europe. Both are European, both have annoying keyboards....

Per Ardua Ad Astra
12-18-2004, 04:27 PM
They did Europe's Final Countdown?

Ah, the synth riff.

Bun nu nu nuhhh, dun dun dun dun duhhh, dun dun du dunnn.

Good stuff.

BoboTheRagingHobo
12-18-2004, 04:27 PM
http://www.coversproject.com/artist/Children+Of+Bodom

Can't guarantee the accuracy of it, but there's some there.

EDIT: Not that they're death metal, of course... ;)


They pretty much covered all of those but Ace's High and The Trooper, those was covered by another Finnish band called Sentenced but has gotten mislabled many times.

LordDargon
12-18-2004, 04:40 PM
I just use "hyperblast" as a generic term to describe any exceptionally fast blast beat.

TheMatterOfSplatter420
12-18-2004, 04:54 PM
u ppl definetly gotta check out exhumed or gorgasm if u never heard of them

Toozey
12-18-2004, 06:28 PM
**** yeah man

****ing sweet daemh metal

Toozey
12-18-2004, 06:34 PM
****ing mithras, wahta b and, you shold lioke them

BoboTheRagingHobo
12-18-2004, 06:37 PM
****ing mithras, wahta b and, you shold lioke them


Are you drunk?

Shadows
12-18-2004, 07:13 PM
I was wondering the same thing...

Toozey
12-18-2004, 07:15 PM
yep

Toozey
12-18-2004, 07:15 PM
its the metal way, you kids need to learn

BoboTheRagingHobo
12-18-2004, 07:16 PM
its the metal way, you kids need to learn


Amen to that.


But I don't plan on getting wasted till new years...

Iron Man
12-18-2004, 07:18 PM
On a random note/post, I just bought Isis - Panopticon and the re-issue of Emperor - Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk

666Baphomet
12-18-2004, 07:31 PM
Death metal:
Cannibal corpse
Dying fetus
**** and ball torture
Morbid angel

Semi death metal:
Six feet under
Meshuggah
Lamb of god
Opeth

Alot of NON death metal is promoted as death metal these days, eg: Devildriver. They're a good band but they're not death metal.

Foxfire
12-18-2004, 07:50 PM
The only death metal I listen to is Morbid Angel. Semi-death metal for me is Meshuggah.

My seven year old brother is more into death metal than I am...:upset:

Spoonman
12-18-2004, 08:34 PM
Who ever thinks that Morbid angel is not the most savage band out there probably has been listening to bile while they sleep and canibal corpse is pretty good, I have a few CDs.http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=225625#

RCA
12-18-2004, 09:59 PM
Originally Posted By Iron Man
On a random note/post, I just bought Isis - Panopticon and the re-issue of Emperor - Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk

How are Isis? I've heard of them, but I can't find any of their stuff.

EonBlueApocalypse
12-18-2004, 10:57 PM
nile, cryptopsy, exhumed, the berzerker, carcass, napalm death, cattle decapitation, disgorge(us), circle of dead children, f***...i'm dead, psycroptic, many many more....its all good

bassaholica2004
12-18-2004, 11:30 PM
Dammit, I can't get that Europe Final Countdown synth part out of my head now!

Well, now I'm pretty happy with my music catalogue. However, I feel the need to expand. What are the strangest, wierdest most tripped-out bands or albums you know? Also, I still can't find Obscura! I think I'm just gonna have to order it.

Iron Man
12-18-2004, 11:51 PM
How are Isis? I've heard of them, but I can't find any of their stuff.

I have yet to listen to the whole album, but I'm liking it so far. Don't know how to describe them though :upset:

Freezing Moon
12-18-2004, 11:54 PM
How are Isis? I've heard of them, but I can't find any of their stuff.

I just downloaded 2 Isis CD's off Bit Torrent.

I think that Panopticon is pretty sweet.

NP: Behemoth - Horns Ov Baphomet

Cardboard Headgear
12-19-2004, 12:23 AM
Well, now I'm pretty happy with my music catalogue. However, I feel the need to expand. What are the strangest, wierdest most tripped-out bands or albums you know? Also, I still can't find Obscura! I think I'm just gonna have to order it.
Well they're not all that trippy, but their lyrics certainly are a mind****:
Vintersorg.

PS: I gave meself a concussion, a bruised hip, and a fractured wrist all in one go yesterday. No guitar for a month! ASLDKNLASKDJOIW#QDJAKJSDnkasdm2p3or

ninjamonkey
12-19-2004, 12:31 AM
How did you manage to do that?

bassaholica2004
12-19-2004, 12:39 AM
Well they're not all that trippy, but their lyrics certainly are a mind****:
Vintersorg.

PS: I gave meself a concussion, a bruised hip, and a fractured wrist all in one go yesterday. No guitar for a month! ASLDKNLASKDJOIW#QDJAKJSDnkasdm2p3or

Cool, I'll try to check em out. Any specific albums?

And damn that sucks for you. I would die if I couldn't play music for a month.

bassaholica2004
12-19-2004, 02:00 AM
Also, does anyone know of any depressing DM? That, or can you recommend me some Funeral Doom? I'm writing a song for a friend, and he wants it really depressing, so I'm gonna look for some inspiration.

Bartender
12-19-2004, 02:20 AM
^Cosmic Genesis or The Focusing Blur are the albums people keep recommending to me.


Dammit, I can't get that Europe Final Countdown synth part out of my head now!

I think I would be stuck with it in my head too, if I could remember what it sounds like. As it is, all I can think of is the Ghostbusters theme.

bassaholica2004
12-19-2004, 02:24 AM
I think I would be stuck with it in my head too, if I could remember what it sounds like. As it is, all I can think of is the Ghostbusters theme.

Consider yourself lucky. :lol:

slaytalica25
12-19-2004, 02:31 AM
im currently downloading blessed are the sick- morbid angel right now.

bassaholica2004
12-19-2004, 02:43 AM
im currently downloading blessed are the sick- morbid angel right now.

Get Alters of Madness in case you don't have it yet. :thumb:

Toozey
12-19-2004, 03:47 AM
Altars*

Dominus Frigoris
12-19-2004, 04:35 AM
Yeah, Vintersorg rule!

Hum, let me see - I listen to

Morbid Angel
Amon Amarth
Vader
Blood Red Throne
Deathwitch
Dawn of Disease
Fragments of Unbecoming
...and others, but I am to lazy to type ´em all.

The last two are basically local bands that are quite successful.

Bartender
12-19-2004, 05:23 AM
I don't know how many of you will be bothered enough to do this - the death heads thread is always generally pretty insular - but there's a top 40 R&M posters list being constructed at the moment.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278711

Basic idea is that each person that wants to makes a list of 25 R&M posters, past and present, and "points" are assigned based on positions in lists. I thought it'd be cool to get a few of the lesser known death heads posters, or older members like superdan, Greg, coypu, Gertrude, DBoon's and so on mentioned, which is why I'm mentioning it here. You do need a full list of 25, though.

BoboTheRagingHobo
12-19-2004, 05:39 AM
I don't know how many of you will be bothered enough to do this - the death heads thread is always generally pretty insular - but there's a top 40 R&M posters list being constructed at the moment.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278711

Basic idea is that each person that wants to makes a list of 25 R&M posters, past and present, and "points" are assigned based on positions in lists. I thought it'd be cool to get a few of the lesser known death heads posters, or older members like superdan, Greg, coypu, Gertrude, DBoon's and so on mentioned, which is why I'm mentioning it here. You do need a full list of 25, though.


Werd, go death heads and vote!

And I also finally got my hands on some 1349, and they are pretty damn good to say the least.

FinalProphecy
12-19-2004, 06:08 AM
most of the music you guys have mentioned in here kinda creaps me out lol, but there is some death metal that i can listen to, one of them is Anal C*nt, i actually laugh at these guys coz of their wacky lyrics and song titles my fav song by them is "I Lit Your Baby On Fire" but my favourite death metal comes down to pretty much three bands, and in comparison to the bands you have mentioned so far i belive you may think these bands a bit softcore

Slayer (they invented death metal ;))
Slipknot (i guess these guys perfected death metal ;))
Sepultura
the last is KoRn, but im not sure what kind of genre to really place them under as they keep changing their playing and writing styles coz of other bands mimicing them =/

BoboTheRagingHobo
12-19-2004, 06:15 AM
most of the music you guys have mentioned in here kinda creaps me out lol, but there is some death metal that i can listen to, one of them is Anal C*nt, i actually laugh at these guys coz of their wacky lyrics and song titles my fav song by them is "I Lit Your Baby On Fire" but my favourite death metal comes down to pretty much three bands, and in comparison to the bands you have mentioned so far i belive you may think these bands a bit softcore

Slayer (they invented death metal ;))
Slipknot (i guess these guys perfected death metal ;))
Sepultura
the last is KoRn, but im not sure what kind of genre to really place them under as they keep changing their playing and writing styles coz of other bands mimicing them =/


Slayer is thrash metal, they inlfuenced the making of death metal, but ultimately they are not a death metal band. Inventors of death metal : Death.

Slipknot is nu-metal, by far not even remotely in waters of death metal nor real metal at that. Perfected death metal aye? Try some Death, thats some perfected death metal.

Sepultura was death metal in their early days, so you are getting closer with that.

And Korn is nu-metal, and the creators of the genre at that. They have no hints of death metal in them, no real metal at that as well. They are in the same boat as Slipknot...


I am sorry, but I can't help but laugh when people think Slipknot and Korn are death metal...especially when they think Slipknot perfected it.
:lol:

Dominus Frigoris
12-19-2004, 06:24 AM
Erm, well.

1.) I would not think of Slayer as being the inventors of DM. I don´t actuelly know who "invented" it anyway, but it´s certainly not Slayer.
2.) Slipknot? Who´s that?
3.) Korn?! You must be kidding - Korn do NuMetal. :-P

FinalProphecy
12-19-2004, 06:24 AM
my bad... but slipknot portray the whole death metal type look etc, and i wasnt sure on korn =/ but i knew sepultura was death in the earlier years im a huge fan of them (check the avatar ;)) and im just curious to think what genre you think soulfly fall under, coz i really duno wtf to think of cavalera's new works at all =/ o please, fill me in...

Dominus Frigoris
12-19-2004, 06:26 AM
@ Bobo: full ack... :lol:

blackout
12-19-2004, 06:28 AM
Did anyone go to the Swedish apocalypse gig at the forum on friday?

FinalProphecy
12-19-2004, 06:28 AM
and the reason for my nievness on the whole death metal subject is that ive only just stared to really listen to the genre i made the jump from old school punk to this death metal genre so its still kinda hard to grasp what is and what isnt death metal for me atm =/, if you really wana know my favourite DM band is, it is Anal C*nt

blackout
12-19-2004, 06:29 AM
my bad... but slipknot portray the whole death metal type look etc
Nah, the vast majority of death metal bands look absolutely nothing like them. The only DM band i can think of off the top of my head that wear masks is the berzerker

And anal cunt are more grind metal than death, but cool all the same

BoboTheRagingHobo
12-19-2004, 06:30 AM
my bad... but slipknot portray the whole death metal type look etc, and i wasnt sure on korn =/ but i knew sepultura was death in the earlier years im a huge fan of them (check the avatar ;)) and im just curious to think what genre you think soulfly fall under, coz i really duno wtf to think of cavalera's new works at all =/ o please, fill me in...


I don't think wearing masks/jumpsuits and having 9 members really replicates what death metal is...


Anywho, Soulfly is nu-metal as well. They are alright, but way to repetitive...


and the reason for my nievness on the whole death metal subject is that ive only just stared to really listen to the genre i made the jump from old school punk to this death metal genre so its still kinda hard to grasp what is and what isnt death metal for me atm =/, if you really wana know my favourite DM band is, it is Anal C*nt

It's all cool, at least you are asking, learning and making sure before you make a total *** out of your self.

FinalProphecy
12-19-2004, 06:31 AM
the berserker are f**kin insane live, you seen them ???

FinalProphecy
12-19-2004, 06:33 AM
i may seem a pain in the a** but im just tryin to get a "feel" for the genre lol so to tell you the truth, i wouldnt mind you guys giving me some death metal bands to listen to, im open to any suggestions, and would also like to know what you guys think of Nine Inch Nails and In Flames.

lol i thought id already made an *** of myself by saying that KoRn and Slipknot were DM.

blackout
12-19-2004, 06:34 AM
No, not yet. Got the dvd though, so i'm definately seeing them next time they're in london.

FinalProphecy
12-19-2004, 06:34 AM
theyve been to australia once and i was lucky enuff to see them play. :D

blackout
12-19-2004, 06:36 AM
In flames are a good band, good for introducing you into the whole melodic death scene. They were better in their earlier days but despite what you might hear about them, they're still pretty dam good now.

If you like them, check out:
Arch Enemy
Death
Children Of Bodom

BoboTheRagingHobo
12-19-2004, 06:37 AM
i may seem a pain in the a** but im just tryin to get a "feel" for the genre lol so to tell you the truth, i wouldnt mind you guys giving me some death metal bands to listen to, im open to any suggestions, and would also like to know what you guys think of Nine Inch Nails and In Flames.


Some bands to check out :

Cryptopsy
Necrophagist
Decapitated
Death
Carcass
Nile


And NIN = highly overrated in my opinion. Decent music, but it gets way to much praise then it deserves.

In Flames started out as an awesome melodic death metal band with their first 3 releases. They evolved nicely into a Gothenburg melo death type of band with their next 2 releases. Then evolved into a sorta nu-metallish mixed with Gothenburg sound. They evolved nicely in my opinion since they are doing what they want, but it happened all to soon. A few more melodic death releases and maybe another Gothenburg influenced release would have been nice before they made the big step to the nu-metallish sound.

methodlessman
12-19-2004, 06:42 AM
i may seem a pain in the a** but im just tryin to get a "feel" for the genre lol so to tell you the truth, i wouldnt mind you guys giving me some death metal bands to listen to, im open to any suggestions, and would also like to know what you guys think of Nine Inch Nails and In Flames.

lol i thought id already made an *** of myself by saying that KoRn and Slipknot were DM.No problem, glad to help you out. To get a basic idea of what Death Metal is I would suggest these bands:

Death
Deicide
Morbid Angel
Cannibal Corpse
Obituary

If you like those and want to proceed further into the depths of death metal check out:

Decapitated
Gorgasm
Vader
Kataklysm
Opeth
Necrophagist
Severed Savior
Deeds of Flesh

That should be plenty for now, should you choose to explore the genre.

FinalProphecy
12-19-2004, 06:42 AM
what about atreyu, the person who got me hooked on Anal C*nt said that Atreyu were death metal but ive listened, and i am still unsure what bloody genre they are in lol =/

Dominus Frigoris
12-19-2004, 06:43 AM
I recommend:

Dissection
Blood Red Throne (My vocal idols..."Mandatory Homicide/Death, Inc." is one of their best songs)
Hypocrisy (best swedish DM band ever :thumb: Check out "The final Chapter" !)
Deathwitch
Dismember

methodlessman
12-19-2004, 06:45 AM
theyve been to australia once and i was lucky enuff to see them play. :DWell they're actually from Australia, so I would imagine they play there very often.

BoboTheRagingHobo
12-19-2004, 06:46 AM
what about atreyu, the person who got me hooked on Anal C*nt said that Atreyu were death metal but ive listened, and i am still unsure what bloody genre they are in lol =/


I am sorry but this deserves this :


LOL!


Atreyu is a very bland and very sub-par metalcore band that whines about emoish ideals. Not a hint of death metal in their music....

FinalProphecy
12-19-2004, 06:52 AM
thanx for the atreyu tip lol i will now proceed to tell my friend that he quite literally sux *** :-P

and about the berserker thing, i had some idea that they were an australian band but i wasnt sure, and ive only seen them advertised once or twice as well lol. but since in australia death metal isnt as sort after as i would like it to be, the berserker dont headline anything at all which sux coz the stuff ive heard of theirs is awesome, and they are brilliant live in my opinion.

FinalProphecy
12-19-2004, 06:58 AM
lol i just found this on the berserker...
allmusic reviewers said...

the Berzerker signed with Earache Records and in 2000 they released their monstrous, self-titled debut. The band's first video, for the track "Reality," was banned by MTV for its horrific and epilepsy-inducing imagery.... lol i gota find me that clip :P

FinalProphecy
12-19-2004, 07:01 AM
o btw, you guys know if theres an official Sepultura thread coz i cant seem to find 1. but hey, im not really looking that hard either :P

methodlessman
12-19-2004, 07:05 AM
Try not to triple post, or double post. Use the Edit button to add to your other post.

BoboTheRagingHobo
12-19-2004, 07:09 AM
o btw, you guys know if theres an official Sepultura thread coz i cant seem to find 1. but hey, im not really looking that hard either :P


No, they are not popular enough to get an official thread.

blackout
12-19-2004, 07:29 AM
I want to get something by kreator as all i've seen/heard is that trailer a while ago of them recording for the new album and i really liked it. Can anyone reccomend anything?

I think i'll be seeing them with vader in the new year.

LordDargon
12-19-2004, 07:35 AM
what about atreyu, the person who got me hooked on Anal C*nt said that Atreyu were death metal but ive listened, and i am still unsure what bloody genre they are in lol =/
Holy crap, you know some stupid people. Anal C are nowhere near death metal, they're noise/grindcore and they're a joke band anyways. Atreyu? As Bobo said, LOL.

And I thought I was going to puke when you said Slipknot perfected the genre. I figured Bobo would have obliterated you, but he was nice :-/

EDIT: About Kreator:

The two "essential" albums are Coma of Souls and Pleasure to Kill.

Other good ones I have by them are Endless Pain, Extreme Agression, and Enemy of God. From what I've heard of Terrible Certainty and Violent Revolution, those are worht a listen as well. Avoid their experimental 90's crap.

EDIT2: And make sure you get teh "Flag of Hate" EP, it has Awakening of the Gods on it.

BoboTheRagingHobo
12-19-2004, 07:37 AM
Holy crap, you know some stupid people. Anal C are nowhere near death metal, they're noise/grindcore and they're a joke band anyways. Atreyu? As Bobo said, LOL.

And I thought I was going to puke when you said Slipknot perfected the genre. I figured Bobo would have obliterated you, but he was nice :-/

EDIT: About Kreator:

The two "essential" albums are Coma of Souls and Pleasure to Kill.

Other good ones I have by them are Endless Pain, Extreme Agression, and Enemy of God. From what I've heard of Terrible Certainty and Violent Revolution, those are worht a listen as well. Avoid their experimental 90's crap.


I felt like being nice for once. :p

Plus I am overjoyed that I finally got some 1349. :D

LordDargon
12-19-2004, 07:39 AM
o btw, you guys know if theres an official Sepultura thread coz i cant seem to find 1. but hey, im not really looking that hard either :P
What Sepultura albums do you like?

*expects to see Chaos AD on the top of the list, Arise if he's lucky, and no mention of Schizophrenia*

TheUnavoidable
12-19-2004, 09:34 AM
Who do you thinks haxx the most, Flo or Nick Barker?

And by haxx, i mean who pwns in technical skill.

Dominus Frigoris
12-19-2004, 09:37 AM
Plus I am overjoyed that I finally got some 1349
Hey, cool...at last someone who knows 1349. :thumb:
Ever heard of Nordafrost or Animus?

LordDargon
12-19-2004, 09:38 AM
That's the guy in Dimmu? I haven't heard any of his work, but he's not the fastest in the world as they say if he can only get 800 bpm on the double bass. Flo destroys 800 bpm.

EDIT: I love 1349, I'm cool too, look at me, look at ME! :p

Dominus Frigoris
12-19-2004, 09:50 AM
Nope, Nordafrost is an absolutely excellent BM band form Germany, as well as Animus.
Check this: http://www.nordafrost.de/

800 bpm Doublebass? Wow... Tama´s Iron Cobra rules :D

LordDargon
12-19-2004, 09:58 AM
I was responding to UnAvoidable's post about Nick Barker, not yours about Nordafrost.

What is an Iron Cobra? Special double bass pedal or something?

Dominus Frigoris
12-19-2004, 10:03 AM
Oops, Sorry... *blush*

An Iron Cobra is a top-of-the-line Double Bass pedal.

LordDargon
12-19-2004, 10:07 AM
So, what is your favorite 1349? I think I like them both equally... Liberation is rawer, definitely, but BtA is so well written and just sounds colder.

NP: 1349 - Internal Winter

TheUnavoidable
12-19-2004, 10:27 AM
That's the guy in Dimmu? I haven't heard any of his work, but he's not the fastest in the world as they say if he can only get 800 bpm on the double bass. Flo destroys 800 bpm.


Is that so? I was listening to Death Cult earlier today and it had some fukking immense double bass work. I'm not sure I've heard Flo do anything that fast.

But then again, it gets kinda hard to tell the difference when it gets THAT fast.

LordDargon
12-19-2004, 10:30 AM
Is that so? I was listening to Death Cult earlier today and it had some fukking immense double bass work. I'm not sure I've heard Flo do anything that fast.

But then again, it gets kinda hard to tell the difference when it gets THAT fast.
Vital Remains/Decrepit Birth's drummer as well as Mithras' drummer are insanely fast on the bass. Toozey says the VR guy is sped up in the studio, but I don't know if that is a substantiated claim.

sensitiveorgan00
12-19-2004, 11:07 AM
That's the guy in Dimmu? I haven't heard any of his work, but he's not the fastest in the world as they say if he can only get 800 bpm on the double bass. Flo destroys 800 bpm.

EDIT: I love 1349, I'm cool too, look at me, look at ME! :p
Nick Barker was in Dimmu Borgir. He left though, several months ago. The drummer you're referring to is Reno (don't know his last name). He was supposed to fill in for Dimmu Borgir over the summer during Ozzfest, but things couldn't work out so Tony L. (ex-Nile) filled in. I don't know who drums for Dimmu at the moment, but don't really care.

Both Nick Barker and Flo are beasts. Whether who is "better" is debatable, and pretty much pointless. They are both respected extreme metal drummers, and they both have some fvcking chops.

Iron Cobra is a pedal made by Tama, which is popular among many drummers.

Vital Remains/Decrepit Birth's drummer as well as Mithras' drummer are insanely fast on the bass. Toozey says the VR guy is sped up in the studio, but I don't know if that is a substantiated claim.
The drums on the newest Vital Remains record was recorded by Dave Suzuki, who also did guitars and bass for the album. There was a lot of debate whether or not the drum tracks were sped up, and that they were uber pro-tooled. If you search for this topic on the derekroddy.com forum, you can probably find some answers about this topic.

bassaholica2004
12-19-2004, 11:34 AM
So, what is your favorite 1349? I think I like them both equally... Liberation is rawer, definitely, but BtA is so well written and just sounds colder.

NP: 1349 - Internal Winter

I still can't find Liberation. I think my Soulseek is dead. :confused: And Internal Winter is probably my favorite song off BtA. That opening and mid riff is too grim. :p They are definetely one of my favorite BM bands now.

Toozey
12-19-2004, 11:46 AM
Vital Remains/Decrepit Birth's drummer as well as Mithras' drummer are insanely fast on the bass. Toozey says the VR guy is sped up in the studio, but I don't know if that is a substantiated claim.

Nah, he can play that fast, its just probably looped alot, you can't sustain those high speeds for so long.

blackout
12-19-2004, 12:12 PM
Has anyone seen any guitar tabs for the new behemoth album, specifically the "conquer all" solo?

LordDargon
12-19-2004, 12:12 PM
It sounds crap when he does it for too long anyways. IE: Unleash Hell.

Per Ardua Ad Astra
12-19-2004, 12:43 PM
Dammit, I can't get that Europe Final Countdown synth part out of my head now!

Haha, me too.

For Kreator, Pleasure to Kill is class.

For Vintersorg, the early stuff is more viking metal oriented (See Tjill Falls), the middle/transition stuff is progressive/viking metal (see Cosmic Genesis) and he's now taken a further step into progressive mode with The Focusing Blur.

Fastest Drummer = Tim Waterson, 1407 BPM on the kick drums.

ninjamonkey
12-19-2004, 12:50 PM
wtf? 16 notes at 1407?

LordDargon
12-19-2004, 12:53 PM
wtf? 16 notes at 1407?
No, he's hitting 1407 strokes per minute. :p

Dark Hero
12-19-2004, 02:19 PM
Dammit, I can't get that Europe Final Countdown synth part out of my head now!

Well, now I'm pretty happy with my music catalogue. However, I feel the need to expand. What are the strangest, wierdest most tripped-out bands or albums you know? Also, I still can't find Obscura! I think I'm just gonna have to order it.

Have you heard Norther's cover of that song.

superpeer
12-19-2004, 02:34 PM
Nick Barker was in Dimmu Borgir. He left though, several months ago. The drummer you're referring to is Reno (don't know his last name). He was supposed to fill in for Dimmu Borgir over the summer during Ozzfest, but things couldn't work out so Tony L. (ex-Nile) filled in. I don't know who drums for Dimmu at the moment, but don't really care.

Both Nick Barker and Flo are beasts. Whether who is "better" is debatable, and pretty much pointless. They are both respected extreme metal drummers, and they both have some fvcking chops.

Iron Cobra is a pedal made by Tama, which is popular among many drummers.


The drums on the newest Vital Remains record was recorded by Dave Suzuki, who also did guitars and bass for the album. There was a lot of debate whether or not the drum tracks were sped up, and that they were uber pro-tooled. If you search for this topic on the derekroddy.com forum, you can probably find some answers about this topic.

Since when do you use 'the'?

I agree though, they're both great.

Cardboard Headgear
12-19-2004, 02:53 PM
Ok, looks like I'm gunna have to check out 1349 since they're all the rage around here these days. Ninjamonkey, the injuries,er I mean GRIM BATTLEWOUNDS, are from a pretty gnarly fall involving a skateboard, a ledge, and a whole bunch of stairs. And Dominus, who's in your avatar? It looks like that Greg Proops guy from Who's Line Is It Anyways...

Shadows
12-19-2004, 02:58 PM
I'm gonna have to look into 1349 too. So many people (mostly Dargon from what I can tell) rave about them that they must be pretty amazing.

Cardboard Headgear
12-19-2004, 03:04 PM
Yeah, but Dargon raves about everything. Everything in the world is new and exciting when you're 12 years old. :P

BoboTheRagingHobo
12-19-2004, 04:41 PM
Yeah, but Dargon raves about everything. Everything in the world is new and exciting when you're 12 years old. :P


Now thats a god damn burn. :lol:


NP - Norther - Chasm

manuscriptreplica
12-19-2004, 04:44 PM
1349 aren't really that different from Darkthrone at all, but Frost's drumming makes them better

And what do people think of Death - The Sound of Perserverance in here? Rating out of 10?

LegionsofMarduk
12-19-2004, 04:44 PM
Good lord...3 pages? In one day!? AWESOME!

So yeah...I'm not quoting everything that I was going to respond to. But for whoever said Slipknot perfected death metal...well...I think that subject was covered. :lol: But at least you admited to not knowing about death metal...yet. Get some stuff that was recommended. Along with:

Behemoth
Aborted
Immolation
Iniquity
Sinners Bleed
Vehemence
Mithras
Grave
Entombed
Unleashed
Cryptopsy

And if you like In Flames, check out (some a bit of a stretch from the whole Gothenburg sound, but all good bands):

At The Gates (far superior to In Flames)
Ebony Tears
Carcass (Heartwork album)
Kalmah
Dissection

And finally...the only thing I can remember that I was going to respond to...whoever Blood Red Throne: :chug:

They don't get mentioned as much as they deserve. 'Course I'm as much to blame for that since I forget about them sometimes. But ace band none the less.

superpeer
12-19-2004, 04:48 PM
Yeah, but Dargon raves about everything. Everything in the world is new and exciting when you're 12 years old. :P

Haha, nice. Rep ++

superpeer
12-19-2004, 04:50 PM
1349 aren't really that different from Darkthrone at all, but Frost's drumming makes them better

And what do people think of Death - The Sound of Perserverance in here? Rating out of 10?

7/10 : Has it moments, but sometimes seems technical for the sake of technicality. Not bad though.

BoboTheRagingHobo
12-19-2004, 04:50 PM
I don't know how many of you will be bothered enough to do this - the death heads thread is always generally pretty insular - but there's a top 40 R&M posters list being constructed at the moment.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278711

Basic idea is that each person that wants to makes a list of 25 R&M posters, past and present, and "points" are assigned based on positions in lists. I thought it'd be cool to get a few of the lesser known death heads posters, or older members like superdan, Greg, coypu, Gertrude, DBoon's and so on mentioned, which is why I'm mentioning it here. You do need a full list of 25, though.


This got mixed up in the mess last night, all of you read it and do it. :mad:

LegionsofMarduk
12-19-2004, 04:58 PM
This got mixed up in the mess last night, all of you read it and do it. :mad:

I'm in the process of completing my list. My memory sucks. I can never remember peoples names until I see them post.

Mekkalayakay
12-19-2004, 05:01 PM
I'm quite bored and in need of something to do, so I'm going to name random death/black metal bands in my collection/that I listen to. You can comment on my taste/a band if you want, I don't care. Absolute favorites are bolded.

1349
Alarum
Arghoslent
Arsis
Burning Inside
Capharnaum
Cryptopsy
Dark Tranquility
Decapitated
Deicide
Gorguts
Incantation
Iniquity
Kataklysm
Mithras
Morbid Angel
Necrophagist
Nile
Opeth
Pestilence
Psycroptic
The Red Chord (I think they are labeled as hardcore....but I have no idea why)
Satyricon
Vehemence
Theory in Practice
Arcturus
Bal Sagoth (they fuse different genres)
Borknagar
Dissection
Ulver
Hollenthon
Atheist (arguably death)
Cynic (also arguably)
Death
Control Denied (not death metal, but I just through them in there with Death)
Disillusion
Into Eternity
Vintersorg (more of a prog band, but they use black/death vocals sometimes)

TukiTukiBamLALA
12-19-2004, 05:02 PM
ok i like

slipknot
cradle of filth
metallica
kittie
linkin park
green day
and other punk rock stuff but i like a lot of metal too a lot of it are just random songs that come on www.launch.yahoo.com that i listen to and love lol so i dont have the names of the bands i love nymphetamine by cradle of filth its awsome

BoboTheRagingHobo
12-19-2004, 05:03 PM
ok i like

slipknot
cradle of filth
metallica
kittie
linkin park
green day
and other punk rock stuff but i like a lot of metal too a lot of it are just random songs that come on www.launch.yahoo.com that i listen to and love lol so i dont have the names of the bands i love nymphetamine by cradle of filth its awsome


Get the **** out now.

TukiTukiBamLALA
12-19-2004, 05:04 PM
lol a drunk guy just corrected u and i am staying away from that alcohol....ull end yp killing a kid someday with drunk driving or just killing ur self by drinking....i'd rather keep my self safe

LegionsofMarduk
12-19-2004, 05:05 PM
ok i like

slipknot
cradle of filth
metallica
kittie
linkin park
green day
and other punk rock stuff but i like a lot of metal too a lot of it are just random songs that come on www.launch.yahoo.com that i listen to and love lol so i dont have the names of the bands i love nymphetamine by cradle of filth its awsome

0.o
o.0

:lol::lol::lol::lol:
I'll give you something for Cradle 'cause they used to be death a really long time ago. But the others...I'm just...:lol::lol:

I'm just going to walk away and pretend i didn't see it! :lol:

superpeer
12-19-2004, 05:05 PM
ok i like

slipknot
cradle of filth
metallica
kittie
linkin park
green day
and other punk rock stuff but i like a lot of metal too a lot of it are just random songs that come on www.launch.yahoo.com that i listen to and love lol so i dont have the names of the bands i love nymphetamine by cradle of filth its awsome

lol me 2

BoboTheRagingHobo
12-19-2004, 05:06 PM
lol a drunk guy just corrected u and i am staying away from that alcohol....ull end yp killing a kid someday with drunk driving or just killing ur self by drinking....i'd rather keep my self safe


Drinking > you.

Deathcrush
12-19-2004, 05:07 PM
Drinking > you.

Lawl, repp'd.

RNR
12-19-2004, 05:29 PM
Spam, nice :thumb:

What's Morbid Angel like? Brutal, melodic or umm...?

LegionsofMarduk
12-19-2004, 05:32 PM
Spam, nice :thumb:

What's Morbid Angel like? Brutal, melodic or umm...?

They're somewhere in between. More brutal than melodic. If you've bothered to check out Mithras from all of Toozey's ravings and liked them you'll like Morbid Angel. Get Alters of Madness. Ace album.

Mekkalayakay
12-19-2004, 05:34 PM
Yeah, Morbid Angel is a bit harder to like if you can't get into brutal metal.

superpeer
12-19-2004, 05:36 PM
Morbid Angel is old skool.

RNR
12-19-2004, 05:36 PM
O noes :(

What's some Melodic death bands?

superpeer
12-19-2004, 05:38 PM
Dark Tranquillity
At the Gates
Carcass (Heartwork)
In Flames
Soilwork
Amon Amarth
Arch Enemy

Etc...

Riva
12-19-2004, 05:38 PM
In Flames (the early stuff - Whoracle era)
Arghoslent
Death
Opeth
And is At The Gates melodic death (always gets confused)

superpeer
12-19-2004, 05:38 PM
12,000 !

EDIT : noooo, or is it? :confused:

LegionsofMarduk
12-19-2004, 05:40 PM
I'm spending way too much time in this thread tonight. I really need to get off the PC. I've gotta leave.

Riva
12-19-2004, 05:40 PM
Hehe, Reply number 12000 goes to the irregular. :p