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br3ad_man
04-02-2004, 12:40 AM
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The Band:

Kevin Sheilds- Guitar, vocals, sampler/keyboards
Colm O'Ciosoig- Drums, sampler/keyboards
Bilinda Butcher- Guitar, vocals
Debbie Googe- Bass



My Bloody Valentine had released several EPs in the 1980s, before they recorded the album that defined Shoegaze music, "Isn't Anything". That album is often seen as a precursor to the band's masterpiece "Loveless". Most people forget how groundbreaking that record was.
With an already amazing album, the group recorded another album, titled "Loveless". The band was led by their guitarist, Kevin Shields, who was an absolute perfectionist. The album "Loveless" ended up costing the band's record company over $500,000, bankrupting them. And boy, was it worth it.
But although the band was awesome in the studio, they were also a great live act, despite the fact that they rarely looked at the audience or even acknowledged the fact that they were there. This is where the term "shoegazing" comes from.
The two things you will notice about this album after a first listen is that the are absolutely no bad songs on it. The second thing you realise, is the band's signature sound. The "boy/girl" vocals, the swirling guitars, the ambient and noisy keyboards and the sounds that can only be described as noise. The sound is often described as trippy, which is evident on songs like "To Here Knows When".

Oh, and a note, when I say "keyboard riffs" it is possible they are guitar riffs, as Kevin Shields is an effects genius, and he can make his guitars sound like whatever he wants. I'm pretty sure that there are keyboards in here, and it's not all samples.

Only Shallow- Great opener track, the track is a good way to define Loveless' style. The guitar has a swirly and noisy sound, so much so that it is often hard to pick up what it is doing, other than making noise. The keyboards are making some cool noise also, and you can hear the vocals come out in this track, unlike a lot of MBV songs where they are mixed low. Good stuff. 4.5/5

Loomer- Loomer is another great track, the vocals are hard to understand, but somehow, it doesn't matter. The guitars and keyboards have the same swirly sound of the previous track, and it sounds like there is a distorted bass in there. 4/5

Touched- Probably the weakest track on the album, because it is instrumental and only 58 seconds long. The keyboards sound orchestral, and the other noise is cool too. 4/5

To Here Knows When- This is the "trippy" track I described earlier, with an awesome keyboard riff. Although the riff is complex, it's very catchy, and will get stuck in your head. The vocals are very hard to hear, and the song gets repetitive, but not boring. Again with the guitars, you can't really hear what it's doing. Totally awesome. A wierd outro though. 5/5

When You Sleep- This song is more guitar driven than the others, and you can actually hear what it's doing. The keyboard riff comes in next and it's just awesome, it will give chills. The lead vocals are also male, unlike previous tracks, although, I'm pretty sure that there's female vocals recorded in harmony with the male vocals. A really nice, and awfully catchy song. Just great. 5/5

I Only Said- The keyobards in this song are awesome, and like "To Here Knows When" the song gets repetetive, but not boring. The vocals are mixed low again, and the guitars have to same noisy sound. One thing I picked up on in this song is that the vocals, not sure if they are male or female, but they sound a lot like some of Billy Corgan's vocals. (Billy Corgan was the lead singer for the Smashing Pumpkins). Whatever the case, the song sounds awesome. 5/5

Come In Alone- Pretty cool keyboard riff and some awesome background stuff you can only hear if you look for it. The vocals are again, hard to hear, and surprisingly, sound like Billy Corgan again. Some good stuff happening in this song, but probably not the best on the album. 4.5/5

Sometimes- This song includes an acoustic guitar, along with a distorted electric. Kevin's vocals are as usual, tops. The electric guitars are just holding distorted chords, while the acoustic seems to have a more moving strumming pattern. It's a really great song. Some cellos come in around 3:30 and they are just awesome, and very emotional. 5/5

Blown A Wish- The female vocals are bick for this track, and they are ver soothing. The drumming is good in this song too. This another one of those "trippy" tracks with some synths serving as the backdrop, as opposed the the usual noisy guitar sounds in the background. The chorus of the song has no real lyrics, but it's the most memorable part of the song and it's absolutely amazing. 5/5

What You Want- This is a more guitarish song, and sounds a bit like Dinosaur Jr. We are greeted with Kevin's vocals a few seconds into the song. There is some great flute sounding stuff in the interlude parts as well. This song is more guitar driven than a few of the other tracks, and as I said earlier, sounds a bit like Dinosaur Jr. There is a really ambient ending too, which is very stylish. 5/5

Soon- Different to most of the other songs, in that you can clearly hear the guitars and bass. The keyboards are totally wicked as well. The guitars drift into noise later on, but it's a cool way to start the song. The song pretty much stays the same the whole way, and that's isn't really a bad thing. The song is really good, and it's a lot like the other stuff on the albmu. 4.5/5


Well, that was definitely a very enjoyable album to review. The verdict is simple. No matter what you listen to, rap, pop, metal, jazz, it doesn't matter, you must own a copy of this album. I seriously think that nearly anyone could enjoy this stuff. It's tempting to give this album a 4.75 for it weaker moments (there are hardly any), but this album definitely deserves a 5/5. After finishing this album, you may think to yourself (I did) "It doesn't get much better than this", and you are spot on. This album is a disgustingly underrated album, so go out now, and buy at least 3 copies and give them to intelligent music fans. It's seriously that good, and it's very, very hard to find faults.

Final Rating: 5/5

Scott Herren
04-02-2004, 11:27 AM
Couldn't agree with you more. Especially about "Sometimes", "When You Sleep", and "To Here Knows When". Those are all favorites of mine. This album is a clear 5/5. I could listen to it on repeat for the rest of my life if I had to.

moderaterock222
04-02-2004, 03:17 PM
This album is so great, and i pretty much agree with all your comments. Even if you dont like it you can appreciate the effort gone into making this record. Its a great trippy album too.
Good review too:)

br3ad_man
04-02-2004, 04:17 PM
Couldn't agree with you more. Especially about "Sometimes", "When You Sleep", and "To Here Knows When". Those are all favorites of mine. This album is a clear 5/5. I could listen to it on repeat for the rest of my life if I had to.

Yeah for sure, those are 3 of my favourites off the album. It's just so good.

sr800bkAGAIN!
04-02-2004, 08:21 PM
ive really been getting into the songs on this album. i love "sometimes".

incubliss
09-06-2004, 04:06 PM
what exactly does shoe gaze mean? does it mean as it suggests, gazing at your shoes?

Iai
09-06-2004, 04:11 PM
As I understand it, shoegazer is a pretty derogatory term for an indie kid who's cripplingly shy. As such, it's used to describe indie bands that have no charisma, and who just mumble boringly.

But My Bloody Valentine aren't like that at all. So I don't know what it means here.

incubliss
09-06-2004, 04:17 PM
oh i see, maybe a band that doesn't interact with the crowd?

Bartender
09-06-2004, 04:20 PM
There's a review on here of a band called Souvlaki, and the guy seems fairly proud to be able to call them shoegazer.

EDIT: sorry, band's called Slowdive, album is Souvlaki.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133618

Iai
09-06-2004, 04:39 PM
Looks like it was a genre of music that descended into stereotype. Like, before Nirvana became mainstream again, a grunger was somebody who never washed and wore clothes far too big for them.

ZEROthirtythree
09-06-2004, 05:47 PM
what exactly does shoe gaze mean? does it mean as it suggests, gazing at your shoes?

Yes. Shoe-gaze bands just stare at their feet, ground, or their guitar while playing live. Bands that are uncharismatic are described as this.

It's sort of mean, but it doesn't take away from their greatness.

YDload
09-06-2004, 06:33 PM
So, is this band weird and insane? Do their songs sound like a giant wall of music, where the instruments blend together for a few moments of perfect noise? Because I'm fine with that.

Iai
09-06-2004, 06:33 PM
That's just about a perfect description, Wideman.

YDload
09-06-2004, 06:42 PM
Well, if you liked that one, here's a slightly less favorable review from Dr. David Thorpe of "Your Band Sucks."

My Bloody Valentine are band who are largely known for one album, 1991’s “Loveless.” It’s one of those rare albums that really sounds like the album cover looks: it’s an indecipherable blur of noise and distorted guitars. It boggles the mind that so many goofy hipsters are so in love with an album with so little to offer. All of the songs sound basically the same, and you really have to pay attention to figure out where one ends and the next begins. The lyrics are so incomprehensible that they might as well not even be there at all. Although there are certainly noises on this album that have never been made before or since, none of them are particularly interesting noises. In most cases, it’s the sound of several guitars playing a couple of chords with a few layers of grinding and feedback in the background. Sure, it probably took quite a bit of time and money to make those sounds, but are they particularly interesting? No, not really; when it’s all put together, it just sounds like a waterfall of sludge running through your speakers.

After “Loveless,” My Bloody Valentine managed to top themselves in the only way they knew how: by doing absolutely nothing for ten years. There still hasn’t been another album by them, although “sonic genius” Kevin Shields has done a couple of minor projects since Loveless, such as production, remixing, joining Primal Scream, and getting monstrously fat. This year marked his return to making his own music: he added four songs to the soundtrack to “Lost In Translation,” one of which sounds like a significantly devolved My Bloody Valentine song and the rest of which are immeasurably boring instrumentals. Was it worth the wait? Nobody cares, because they’ve all forgotten what they were waiting for.

But don't worry, there's no need to take him seriously.

Badmoon
09-06-2004, 06:48 PM
My favorite track is "Only Shallow". And I really like how they use the vocals as an instruement, rather than a way to voice lyrics.

Bartender
09-06-2004, 06:51 PM
Well, if you liked that one, here's a slightly less favorable review from Dr. David Thorpe of "Your Band Sucks."



But don't worry, there's no need to take him seriously.

What's the link for that thing? I can't find it.

Iai
09-06-2004, 06:51 PM
"....such as getting monstrously fat."

HAH!! It's funny because it's true.

YDload
09-06-2004, 07:15 PM
What's the link for that thing? I can't find it.

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=1880

There's the whole article entitled "Indie's Sacred Cows." I was going to post it in the appropriate alt./indie forum, but I didn't want to appear to hostile. Good for people who love/hate The Smiths, Pavement, and Joy Division too!

br3ad_man
09-06-2004, 07:23 PM
Woah, this is an old one. I tihnk I was a bit generous (buy 3 copies), but my 5/5 rating still sounds.

The thing about Shoegaze...it was indeed used to describe bands who were shy and stared at their shoes or guitar...basically what ZERO said.

Iai
09-06-2004, 07:24 PM
"He’s perhaps the only rock star ever to namedrop both Keats and Yeats in the same song while at the same time misspelling the song title (“Cemetry Gates”). Score a point for intellectualism."

HAH! I love all those bands, but this site's great!

YDload
09-06-2004, 07:25 PM
Oh no, people are starting to like Something Awful for dissing their favorite bands! Don't click the link, it will only hurt you!

Bartender
09-06-2004, 07:39 PM
http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=1880

There's the whole article entitled "Indie's Sacred Cows." I was going to post it in the appropriate alt./indie forum, but I didn't want to appear to hostile. Good for people who love/hate The Smiths, Pavement, and Joy Division too!

Thanks.

Iai
09-06-2004, 07:44 PM
http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=1880

I was going to post it in the appropriate alt./indie forum, but I didn't want to appear to hostile.

Yeah...just in case you scare all the shoegazers.

/not funny

Scott Herren
09-06-2004, 08:13 PM
Try googling the term shoegazer and see what you find. I have also explained it previously on this messageboard.

Luxor
09-07-2004, 05:33 PM
I have about 5 or so songs off "Loveless", I think the albums good, but not great.

sr800bkBassist
09-07-2004, 05:52 PM
ARGH! ive been checking for over 6 months now!

my local CD store STILL doesnt have this CD.

:(

Bartender
09-07-2004, 06:19 PM
Can't they order it in on request?

sr800bkBassist
09-07-2004, 06:35 PM
Can't they order it in on request?
i dont know. maybe.
would that make it cost more?

br3ad_man
09-07-2004, 06:40 PM
I was finally able to find it a couple of months ago. Needless to say, I bought it straight away.

Bartender
09-07-2004, 06:58 PM
i dont know. maybe.
would that make it cost more?

I don't know. Depends on where they get it from I suppose, and how rare the album is. I've found independent stores are the only ones good for this though - chain stores will only order in by request things which they already stock, which has to be the most pointless thing I've ever heard.

Iai
09-07-2004, 07:02 PM
The HMV where I live orders in whatever you want on request, just as long as it's in the database. I was able to get Operation:Mindcrime that way - they didn't actually start stocking that until Tribe was released. And a load of Nightwish and Lacuna Coil albums that they've only started stocking this month because of the rotation on Scuzz. It didn't cost me anything, either, so it's worth a try.

sr800bkBassist
09-07-2004, 07:04 PM
I don't know. Depends on where they get it from I suppose, and how rare the album is. I've found independent stores are the only ones good for this though - chain stores will only order in by request things which they already stock, which has to be the most pointless thing I've ever heard.
yeah, the only place i buy CD's from is the local independant store.
so far this and Washing Machine(Sonic Youth) are the only CDs they actually havent had.

Scott Herren
09-07-2004, 07:18 PM
I got it from Virgin Megastore. Any self-respecting music store should carry this album.

YDload
09-07-2004, 07:43 PM
I went to my local Best Buy recently, and they must have done a major overhaul of the store because it was filled with albums I could never find there. For one thing, they've always had one of those artist dividers that said "At the Drive-In," but there have never been any ATDI albums to actually fill that spot. Well I go there recently, and what do I find? Acrobatic Tenement! The first album that almost nobody cares about, and it's the ONLY album from them there.

Also usually MIA: Rust In Peace by Megadeth. I went metal over mental and picked up RIP.

ZEROthirtythree
09-07-2004, 08:02 PM
That's just about a perfect description, Wideman.

:eek: So that's how you pronouce YDload. It's WideLoad. :lol: I get it now!!

I feel stupid. First br3ad_man was over my head, and now this...

YDload
09-07-2004, 08:13 PM
You're both wrong, it's actually pronounced "Gary."

Iai
09-07-2004, 08:15 PM
:eek: So that's how you pronouce YDload. It's WideLoad. :lol: I get it now!!

I feel stupid. First br3ad_man was over my head, and now this...

It took me a while too. :)

What's br3ad_man then? I assumed it's just Bread Man....is there some sort of pun to it?

YDload
09-07-2004, 08:21 PM
I think it has something to do with "Breadfan," if that's even a word/musical thing.

sr800bkBassist
09-07-2004, 08:53 PM
everyone though he was "brad-man"

Bartender
09-07-2004, 09:22 PM
I always thought it was bread_man. Am I missing some further layer?

sr800bkBassist
09-07-2004, 09:46 PM
I always thought it was bread_man. Am I missing some further layer?
it is bread man.

everyone just thought it was brad man.


with me, lots of people think im:

sk8rBassist
skr00Bassist
sr00ksBassist
sk00terBassist
s00rBassist
s8r00Bassist
skoobyBassist
sr8Bassist

etc

br3ad_man
09-08-2004, 01:24 AM
I went to my local Best Buy recently, and they must have done a major overhaul of the store because it was filled with albums I could never find there. For one thing, they've always had one of those artist dividers that said "At the Drive-In," but there have never been any ATDI albums to actually fill that spot. Well I go there recently, and what do I find? Acrobatic Tenement! The first album that almost nobody cares about, and it's the ONLY album from them there.

Also usually MIA: Rust In Peace by Megadeth. I went metal over mental and picked up RIP.

It's wierd, my local K-Mart only has "Machina" by the Smashing Pumpkins...the album that no one cares about

So that's how you pronouce YDload. It's WideLoad. I get it now!!

haha, you're blond (even though you're not)


For everyone...it's bread man

Bartender
09-08-2004, 08:59 AM
That's alright then.

Iai
09-08-2004, 09:51 AM
Good, I wasn't missing anything.

Badmoon
09-08-2004, 07:28 PM
Phish was going to cover this album for their Halloween shows. Apparently they're big Kevin Shields fans.

Luxor
09-08-2004, 07:38 PM
Wideload. :lol:

I never knew that's what it meant. :upset:

it is bread man.

everyone just thought it was brad man.


with me, lots of people think im:

sk8rBassist
skr00Bassist
sr00ksBassist
sk00terBassist
s00rBassist
s8r00Bassist
skoobyBassist
sr8Bassist

etc

I always pronounce yours "Skroob Bassist", even though that's way off.

sr800bkBassist
09-08-2004, 07:47 PM
its pronounced as spelled:

S-R-800-B-K-Bassist

sr800bk was the model of my first bass.

Bartender
09-08-2004, 08:12 PM
I think it as Srook, even though I know it's wrong. Too complicated to do it right :)

YDload
09-08-2004, 08:32 PM
Whoa, is this some kind of MX elitist chat room now? Cool.

RollerQueen
09-08-2004, 08:46 PM
I went to my local Best Buy recently, and they must have done a major overhaul of the store because it was filled with albums I could never find there. For one thing, they've always had one of those artist dividers that said "At the Drive-In," but there have never been any ATDI albums to actually fill that spot. Well I go there recently, and what do I find? Acrobatic Tenement! The first album that almost nobody cares about, and it's the ONLY album from them there.

Also usually MIA: Rust In Peace by Megadeth. I went metal over mental and picked up RIP.

The only place I could find Acrobatic Tenement was F.Y.E. I wanted to die then.

Seriously, though, independent stores and even independent chains (Joe Nardone's Gallery of Sound, represent!) can order cds for no charge. They usually put it in with the normal orders so that the shipping cost isn't separate or anything and, in some cases, the cd comes in within 2 or 3 days.

As for the album, it's beautiful. When I first heard it a few years ago, I had no clue what the hell it was about but I grew to love it. LOVE it. Great review, too.

sr800bkBassist
10-02-2004, 05:29 PM
as of a little more than a week ago, i have this CD!

thanks to Scott.

EDIT: may i also add that this is the BEST CD i own?

cd reviews r 4 faggots
10-02-2004, 06:35 PM
Whats a shoegazer?

Happymeal
10-02-2004, 06:38 PM
I bought it awhile ago. 5/5!!!!

sr800bkBassist
10-02-2004, 06:38 PM
Whats a shoegazer?
read the thread.

Iai
10-02-2004, 06:39 PM
Whats a shoegazer?

It's a genre of music built from noise-pop, and new wave. Big sonic soundscapes, often with heavily multi-tracked guitars. It's called shoegazing because the bands, when playing live, were famous for not interacting with the band, and just staring down at their instruments. It became a joke that they were looking at their shoes.

Nowadays 'shoegazer' is just an insult thrown at a boring band, really. Although My Vitriol are fairly recent, and could be described as a shoegazer band (as in the genre, not the insult).

incubliss
10-02-2004, 08:31 PM
I think it as Srook, even though I know it's wrong. Too complicated to do it right :)

same, i just say srookbassist.

it's the easiest way.

incubliss
12-24-2004, 09:50 AM
i bought this today, in a little store for only £6. they have a rack full of cds £6 and under, i was spoilt for choice, but only had a tenner with me, so i decided on this.

i'm loving it all so far, and i'm on track 6 now.

br3ad_man
12-24-2004, 05:52 PM
You haven't even gotten to some of the best bits :)

I think my favourite song off this album is "Loomer" now but I'm not sure. 'Tis all good.