The different genres of metal

[Ninja Bass Man]

THANK you! Sorry, I didn't notice it in the defs. I'm a n00b *sniff sniff*

[dUSK]

No problem. I'm happy I could help. :)

Welcome to the Forums.

[KittensInMicrowaves]

I have a question. So i can settle an argument, is Linkin Park any type of Metal, and if so, what type?

Most nu-metal is not really metal... this includes Linkin Park

Some of their stuff is just pop music, some of it is hard rock

I can't think of a single song of theirs that I would classsify as metal

[dUSK]

They are at the popular end of the Metal spectrum, but that doesn't make them any less Metal.

[loathed]

Yes, that is true. i do consider linkin park only hard rock. if the term nu metal didnt exist. but i like some of their songs though.

[KittensInMicrowaves]

They are at the popular end of the Metal spectrum, but that doesn't make them any less Metal.

The singing isn't metal, the drumming isn't metal, the guitar playing 90% of the time isn't metal.... need I go on?

[dUSK]

The singing isn't metal, the drumming isn't metal, the guitar playing 90% of the time isn't metal.... need I go on?

Not for the moment. I'll download an album of my network tomorrow and give it a listen. If I feel compelled to argue after doing that, then I will.

[Steerpike]

The singing isn't metal, the drumming isn't metal, the guitar playing 90% of the time isn't metal.... need I go on?

Define metal drumming. Define metal guitarwork. Define metal vocals.

Last I checked, Michael Kiske never sang like Chris Barnes, Lemmy, or Rob Halford. Does that make Helloween less metal?

[i am the robots]

Most nu-metal is not really metal... this includes Linkin Park

Some of their stuff is just pop music, some of it is hard rock

I can't think of a single song of theirs that I would classsify as metal

Oh shut up, you don't have the slightest clue to what you are talking about. Linkin Park is Nu-Metal as in Metal that has hip-hop/funk influence. Their riffs are definately Metal styled, specifically Nu-Metal styled, and Chester Bennington does do 'metal vocals' so to speak, he screams and shouts and does clean singing. Linkin Park is not purely Heavy Metal, that's why we have sub-genres.

Also, define Pop-Music, I see no resemblance between Linkin Park and N'Snyc, maybe you mean ELECTRONICA. Once more, GENRE MIXING.

[Shred Danson]

I believe this thread needs a pretty good bump, what d'ya guys say?

[Invicta_Veritas]

Oh shut up, you don't have the slightest clue to what you are talking about. Linkin Park is Nu-Metal as in Metal that has hip-hop/funk influence. Their riffs are definately Metal styled, specifically Nu-Metal styled, and Chester Bennington does do 'metal vocals' so to speak, he screams and shouts and does clean singing. Linkin Park is not purely Heavy Metal, that's why we have sub-genres.

Also, define Pop-Music, I see no resemblance between Linkin Park and N'Snyc, maybe you mean ELECTRONICA. Once more, GENRE MIXING.

oh boy, I'm going to have a heyday with you........

1. Nu-Metal does not automatically have hip hop or punk influence. Disturbed, Mudvayne, 40 Below Summer, etc. all have little or no influence of either kind. Nu-Metal is simply mainstream metal with electronics and keyboard usage(or whiny vocals........J/K).

2. Pop music can be defined as anything that is popular.....hence the term POP. Get it? Kataklysm would be pop if it were wildly popular on TRL. Do not define a genre by its popularity, it makes us all look like asses.

[i am the robots]

Yes, and Vehemence is black metal.

Get a clue dude, you're full of ****.

[Rattlehead]

oh boy, I'm going to have a heyday with you........

1. Nu-Metal does not automatically have hip hop or punk influence. Disturbed, Mudvayne, 40 Below Summer, etc. all have little or no influence of either kind. Nu-Metal is simply mainstream metal with electronics and keyboard usage(or whiny vocals........J/K).

2. Pop music can be defined as anything that is popular.....hence the term POP. Get it? Kataklysm would be pop if it were wildly popular on TRL. Do not define a genre by its popularity, it makes us all look like asses.
quote on "1" - just what i thought nu-metal to be. never heard a hint of hip-hop in any such band. hmm.
quote on "2" - absolutely, "pop" is no way to define any genre of music, it's just, as the above implies, any music that is widely listened to.

would a good example of nu-metal, according to the above description, be "x-ecutioners"?? heard them on scuzz and wasn't too keen.

[Senator Screw You]

I wanna know what bands are 'Avant-Metal'

I like Zappa so I assume it would be good.

[Moses]

oh boy, I'm going to have a heyday with you........

1. Nu-Metal does not automatically have hip hop or punk influence. Disturbed, Mudvayne, 40 Below Summer, etc. all have little or no influence of either kind. Nu-Metal is simply mainstream metal with electronics and keyboard usage(or whiny vocals........J/K).

2. Pop music can be defined as anything that is popular.....hence the term POP. Get it? Kataklysm would be pop if it were wildly popular on TRL. Do not define a genre by its popularity, it makes us all look like asses.
Mudvayne and Disturbed both have really prevalent hip-hop influence with their rhythm sections. And metal can have electronics and keyboards and often does more commonly out of the nu-metal mostly with genres like power, prog, and Gothenburg metal.

Also Cindy Lauper is pop even though she's never had that much popularity.

[gmoneyguy]

I wanna know what bands are 'Avant-Metal'

I like Zappa so I assume it would be good.
Age of Silence
Agalloch
Arcturus
Winds

[Werny]

Age of Silence
Agalloch
Arcturus
Winds

I can't find any Winds ANYWHERE!

Arcturus only made one Avant-Garde album, La Masquerade Infernale. Aspera was symphonic black, Sham and Sideshow are progressive metal.

Another Avant-Garde band with a more metal leaning is Sigh. Bunch of Japanese hippies, they're great.

[i am the robots]

Some more avant-garde:
Peccatum (also kinda goth)
Frantic Bleep
Subterranean Masquerade
Ulver

also, I don't really see Agalloch as being avant-garde, more so just folk metal.

[IheartSP]

I have to go with Kittens In Microwaves for this one, I don't think Nu-Metal is Metal either. People get hung up on the name way too much, just becuase someone calls it that doesn't mean it is.

Root beer is not beer, and so names really don't mean that much.

[Sleepy]

Some more avant-garde:
also, I don't really see Agalloch as being avant-garde, more so just folk metal.

Folk Metal with a lot of Progressive and Symphonic Black traits.

[Luc214]

You forgot Dark Tranquillity for melodic death. I would say they're a key band in that genre.

[Moses]

I don't see how Slipknot and Mudvayne aren't metal. Granted they have lots of various influences but they're core sound is metal and in my opinion are heavier than thin sounding bands like CoB.

[IheartSP]

Heavy doesn't make it metal, a lot of hardcore is much heavier than metal. I think Nu-metal is about as metal as hardcore is, which is not much but I can understand why people get it mixed up.

[i am the robots]

Heavy doesn't make it metal, a lot of hardcore is much heavier than metal. I think Nu-metal is about as metal as hardcore is, which is not much but I can understand why people get it mixed up.

What hardcore band is heavier than any metal band in the past 20 years?

[Luc214]

Also I wouldn't consider In Flames melodic death, they're metalcore.

^ Ringworm is pretty damn heavy.

[Moses]

^^^what? In Flames are Gothenburg and that's it.


If you say Trivium or Hatebreed you're about to make yourself look very stupid, just a warning.

[IheartSP]

Trivium isn't hardcore lol and although I'd like to call Hatebreed hardcore enough people on mx make a fuss that I generally stay away from that. I don't really know any hardcore bands but I've gone to local shows and I'd say the bands are all much heavier than any power metal band by a good margin.

[i am the robots]

In Flames is not metalcore. Converge is metalcore. Avenged Sevenfold is metalcore. Overcast is metalcore. Rambo is metalcore. Municipal Waste is metalcore. Aftershock is metalcore.

In Flames is freaking Gothenburg metal.

Hatebreed is not hardcore, they're just really bad metal. Really really bad metal.

Some hardcore: Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Get To The Chopper, Carpenter Ant, Suicidal Tendencies, Limpwrist, etc.

[Steerpike]

I don't see how Slipknot and Mudvayne aren't metal. Granted they both suck but they're core sound is metal .

Fixed.

I think people get more hung up on wanting to think metal is some kind of sacred label and don't want bands they dislike to taint their precious bubble of music.

[Luc214]

Well power metal is pretty light anyway.

Seriously Ringworm is some good hardcore.

[i am the robots]

Well power metal is pretty light anyway.

Seriously Ringworm is some good hardcore.

I know Ringworm, I can't remember them atm though.

Power Metal, light?

Kalmah? Bodom? Norther? Dragonforce? Eternal Tears of Sorrow? Symphony X?

Those bands are pretty heavy imo.

[Freezing Moon]

In Flames is not metalcore. Converge is metalcore. Avenged Sevenfold is metalcore. Overcast is metalcore. Rambo is metalcore. Municipal Waste is metalcore. Aftershock is metalcore.

In Flames is freaking Gothenburg metal.

Hatebreed is not hardcore, they're just really bad metal. Really really bad metal.

Some hardcore: Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Get To The Chopper, Carpenter Ant, Suicidal Tendencies, Limpwrist, etc.
Municipal Waste is crossover.

[Moses]

Fixed.

Mudvayne's first album is great and the second is good.

[IheartSP]

Fixed.

I think people get more hung up on wanting to think metal is some kind of sacred label and don't want bands they dislike to taint their precious bubble of music.
Metal is a sacred label :lol:

I will admit Slipknot has metal influence but they aren't metal enough to be considered Metal. No matter how much I hate it I do give Nu-Metal credit for being original, it doesn't sound like much else that came before it, and that includes Metal as one of the things it doesnt sound like. It seems like its just really hard rock with all the blues filtered out of it replaced with strange dissonant chords (Korn is a good example) and rap based beats and vocals.

EDIT: I want to respect everyone's maturity in this little debate going on between all these people. MX is usually known for some ugly arguments but this all seems pretty constructive and flameless, congrats MX.

[i am the robots]

Municipal Waste is crossover.

Crossover = thrash + hardcore?

thrash = metal? hardcore = hardcore?

metalcore = metal + hardcore, I think crossover is a retarded label.

[Bazarov]

Despite what you think about the label. MC sound nothing like a metalcore band at all though. Crossover is their genre.

[Moses]

Metal is a sacred label :lol:

I will admit Slipknot has metal influence but they aren't metal enough to be considered Metal. No matter how much I hate it I do give Nu-Metal credit for being original, it doesn't sound like much else that came before it, and that includes Metal as one of the things it doesnt sound like. It seems like its just really hard rock with all the blues filtered out of it replaced with strange dissonant chords (Korn is a good example) and rap based beats and vocals.
Okay, lets just do this by pure characteristics of these bands...

Slipknot:
Sloppy but heavy doublebass
Distorted riff based music
Guitars high in the mix
Abrasive vocals
Metalstyle progression

Mudvayne:
Great metal drumming
Metal vocals
Bass driven
Distorted guitar riffs

[Steerpike]

Well power metal is pretty light anyway.

Listen to Iced Earth and Sabaton.

Mudvayne's first album is great and the second is good.

I did that as more of a joke than anything.

I will admit Slipknot has metal influence but they aren't metal enough to be considered Metal. No matter how much I hate it I do give Nu-Metal credit for being original, it doesn't sound like much else that came before it, and that includes Metal as one of the things it doesnt sound like. It seems like its just really hard rock with all the blues filtered out of it replaced with strange dissonant chords (Korn is a good example) and rap based beats and vocals.

But did not metal start out as very dissonant hard rock?

[Moses]

I did that as more of a joke than anything.

I know, I know.

[IheartSP]

Listen to Iced Earth and Sabaton.



I did that as more of a joke than anything.



But did not metal start out as very dissonant hard rock?
Heavy Metal wasn't dissonant, they didn't use strange intervals combined with heavy distortion (aka the sound of cats dying), and just becuase it had rock influence doesn't make rock part of Metal. Sabbath, Priest and Maiden evolved that hard rock sound but the key word is evolved, metal in it's purest form has nothing to do with rock.

[Bazarov]

What do you mean purest forms? A lot of metal bands today use bluesy solos, which a lot of rock n' roll bands used.

Fair enough, but nu-metal is still metal, whether you like it or not.

I'll have to agree with this, along with what Steerpike said above.

[i am the robots]

Fair enough, but nu-metal is still metal, whether you like it or not.

[Freezing Moon]

Fair enough, but nu-metal is still metal, whether you like it or not.
Metal that has been messed with and combined with so much non-metal that it's hardly metal anymore.

[IheartSP]

Metal that has been messed with and combined with so much non-metal that it's hardly metal anymore.
I don't see how it was even really messed with, I don't think it started as Metal at all, it really doesn't sound very close.

Just becuase Metal bands use bluesey solos don't make bluesey solos Metal, it's just genre mixing.

[Freezing Moon]

I don't see how it was even really messed with, I don't think it started as Metal at all, it really doesn't sound very close.

Just becuase Metal bands use bluesey solos don't make bluesey solos Metal, it's just genre mixing.
I guess it depends how you look at it.

You see it as a bunch of thing with metal thrown into it, Eleventeen sees it as metal with a bunch of things thrown into it.

I personally see it as not worth listening to either way, but that's just me.

[Moses]

Right now I'm listening to Sevendust and it's definately hard rock so I guess it depends on the band. I don't even consider them nu-metal even though they're thrown in with the bunch.

[IheartSP]

My theory is you need to be at least 50% Metal to be called Metal, and whether it is Metal with a bunch of jibber jabber thrown on or a bunch of jibber jabber with some Metal in there, it's still not the majority.

[i am the robots]

I guess it depends how you look at it.

You see it as a bunch of thing with metal thrown into it, Eleventeen sees it as metal with a bunch of things thrown into it.

I personally see it as not worth listening to either way, but that's just me.

You basically got it down to the way I see it, and thus proved that our opinions are so completely different, yet you did it tactfully which I freaking respect.

Plus you introduced me to Blut Aus Nord :D.

[Moses]

Well bands obviously have different amounts of things thrown in and Sevendust has not much metal aside from some of the verse riffage, yet most people think they're nu-metal with which I disagree. As Steerpike said long ago, nu-metal was more of a movement than a genre.

[i am the robots]

I don't really like that whole, "nu-metal" is a movement thing, because most of the bands were either nu-metal or alternative metal and people couldn't tell the difference.

My way to define nu-metal, oldschool Korn, Spineshank, Deftones, Taproot, Mudvayne, E. Town Concrete (though they suck), most bands like that who formed around 1992-1996.

[Steerpike]

Heavy Metal wasn't dissonant, they didn't use strange intervals combined with heavy distortion (aka the sound of cats dying), and just becuase it had rock influence doesn't make rock part of Metal. Sabbath, Priest and Maiden evolved that hard rock sound but the key word is evolved, metal in it's purest form has nothing to do with rock.

Many early metal bands were fond of using the flat fifth interval to create a heavier, more dissonant sound. They also used higher levels of distortion to get heavier riffage and controlled feedback to create more intense solos. They essentially stepped up everything that came before them to the next level.

For me, what defines metal is this hard rock/heavy backbone on which the musicians continue to experiment with new paradigms in heaviness.

Thrash metal uses the visceral elements of punk.
Black metal uses low-key production and speed with inhuman vocals to create a cacophanous sound.
Death metal shoves everything to the breaking point, drums, guitars, bass, vocals, the whole package.
Power metal seeks to pioneer the highest level of melodic sensibility in heavy music.
Nu-metal is on the episode side of the spectrum experimenting with rhythm centric music by fusing it with styles that have distinct rhythmic styles.

[IheartSP]

I see what you mean but it just seems way too different than the others. I don't see them really having the same background.

[i am the robots]

Many early metal bands were fond of using the flat fifth interval to create a heavier, more dissonant sound. They also used higher levels of distortion to get heavier riffage and controlled feedback to create more intense solos. They essentially stepped up everything that came before them to the next level.

For me, what defines metal is this hard rock/heavy backbone on which the musicians continue to experiment with new paradigms in heaviness.

Thrash metal uses the visceral elements of punk.
Black metal uses low-key production and speed with inhuman vocals to create a cacophanous sound.
Death metal shoves everything to the breaking point, drums, guitars, bass, vocals, the whole package.
Power metal seeks to pioneer the highest level of melodic sensibility in heavy music.
Nu-metal is on the episode side of the spectrum experimenting with rhythm centric music by fusing it with styles that have distinct rhythmic styles.

Also, look at what's going on now in America, just a lot of mixing between the melodic sub-styles of said metal genres.

[Invicta_Veritas]

In Flames is not metalcore. Converge is metalcore. Avenged Sevenfold is metalcore. Overcast is metalcore. Rambo is metalcore. Municipal Waste is metalcore. Aftershock is metalcore.

In Flames is freaking Gothenburg metal.

Hatebreed is not hardcore, they're just really bad metal. Really really bad metal.

Some hardcore: Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Get To The Chopper, Carpenter Ant, Suicidal Tendencies, Limpwrist, etc.


In flames is Gothenburg, i'll give you that.

hatebreed's closest specific genre is hardcore.....anybody can slap the broad "metal" label on any metal or "core" band and call it good. You fail.

Suicidal tendencies is the furthest thing from hardcore. If anything, they are thrash. You fail again


...and I never ****ing said Vehemence was black metal- I said specifically that God Was Created showed hints of symphonic black metal influence.

Three strikes.........you really fail.

[Freezing Moon]

...and I never ****ing said Vehemence was black metal- I said specifically that God Was Created showed hints of symphonic black metal influence.

Three strikes.........you really fail.

Saying God Was Created has any hints of any kind of black metal (symphonic or not) is incorrect, so you are still wrong.

[Invicta_Veritas]

Saying God Was Created has any hints of any kind of black metal (symphonic or not) is incorrect, so you are still wrong.


You need new ears.

[purgatory]

i dont believe slipknot is nu metal, i think they are more alternative metal!

[Freezing Moon]

You need new ears.
You need new genre definitions.

[Invicta_Veritas]

Made her for Jesus, She Never Noticed Me.......please have the stupidity to tell me those songs belong in the vien of Nile, immolation, kataklysm, etc.

[Freezing Moon]

Made her for Jesus, She Never Noticed Me.......please have the stupidity to tell me those songs belong in the vien of Nile, immolation, kataklysm, etc.
And you're trying to tell me that they have influences from Emperor, etc??

[Hammerheart]

Made her for Jesus, She Never Noticed Me.......please have the stupidity to tell me those songs belong in the vien of Nile, immolation, kataklysm, etc.

I don't think you're listening to the same thing I am.

[Invicta_Veritas]

Closer to.....they sound like they have mad amounts of Dimmu, emporer, or something influence in them, would you not agree......esp. in the first half of those songs?

[Invicta_Veritas]

I don't think you're listening to the same thing I am.


NP: Vehemence- Fantasy from Pain.......definitely straight melodic death metal though.

[Freezing Moon]

Closer to.....they sound like they have mad amounts of Dimmu, emporer, or something influence in them, would you not agree......esp. in the first half of those songs?
No, not at all. Farthest thing from Black Metal ever; melodic, symphonic, or otherwise.

[Invicta_Veritas]

No, not at all. Farthest thing from Black Metal ever; melodic, symphonic, or otherwise.

Ok, well then I guess it's just me......personally, when i hear the intros to those songs, the next band I think of is Dimmu borgir....

But the original point was that I never said "Vehemence is Black metal". They aren't. We all know that they are melodic death........

[Moses]

gay[/B]u_breakingbenjamin]In flames is Gothenburg, i'll give you that.

hatebreed's closest specific genre is hardcore.....anybody can slap the broad "metal" label on any metal or "core" band and call it good. You fail.

Suicidal tendencies is the furthest thing from hardcore. If anything, they are thrash. You fail again


...and I never ****ing said Vehemence was black metal- I said specifically that God Was Created showed hints of symphonic black metal influence.

Three strikes.........you really fail.
We'd all probably hate you alot less if you didn't act like you knew what you were talking about.

[Invicta_Veritas]

We'd all probably hate you alot less if you didn't act like you knew what you were talking about.


I would hate you all a lot less if my sarcasm was understood, and my opinions werent misinterpereted as statements of fact, and recent explanations ignored in favor of previous blunt statements.

[Moses]

OH MAN!!! It's that hard to type out rolleyes with colons around it to indicate sarcasm. :rolleyes:

And also it's not your opinion what genre a band fits into. I also disregarded the other posts because that one deserved flaming.

[Invicta_Veritas]

OH MAN!!! It's that hard to type out rolleyes with colons around it to indicate sarcasm. :rolleyes:




I prefer dry, realistic sarcasm. It gets a rise out of people that take things too literally:thumb:

[Moses]

If you find amusement in it then why do you hate the people it's directed towards?

Either way you have to admit that you make an *** out of yourself more times than not.:wave:

[Bartender]

metal in it's purest form has nothing to do with rock.

The hell it does. Metal is a direct descendant of rock.

[Arucard]

I would hate you all a lot less if my sarcasm was understood, and my opinions werent misinterpereted as statements of fact, and recent explanations ignored in favor of previous blunt statements.

Opinions on genre's don't exist. Bands fit into genre's, just becuase think they fit into another doesn't make your right.

It just makes you stupid and ignorant.

[Werny]

It is literally impossible for everyone to have the same idea of what metal is. Some people think Black Sabbath were the heaviest band ever (I kid you not, most stoner rock bands say that), some think they were no more than a hard rock group.

People have different ideas of what is 'nu' metal, what is melodic, what is symphonic... jeez if it sounds like whatever-genre to you then it goes in that genre for you. Just don't go off at people that disagree with you!

The only genre-related thing that gets on my nerves is when people can't make their mind up about a band so they just call them "avant-garde". If something doesn't belong in a genre, it doesn't belong in a genre!

[LegionsofMarduk]

I always laugh a little when I see this thread get brought back to the first page. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

[The Feeding]

you forgot Metalcore, bands like As I Lay Dying, Killswitch, Shadows Fall, bands that take the intensity of hardcore with the speed and dexterity of metal

[Shred Danson]

Saying God Was Created has any hints of any kind of black metal (symphonic or not) is incorrect, so you are still wrong.

/Listens to Aspera... by Arcturus

/Listens to God Was Created by Vehemence

You need new ears.

I digress, I think you need new ears :lol:

I always laugh a little when I see this thread get brought back to the first page. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

It's all my fault :p

The hell it does. Metal is a direct descendant of rock.
Quoted for truth. Examples, Black Sabbath, and in a lesser extent, Led Zeppelin (who I don't think sound anything close to metal even from back in that era, but people have called them that anyways).

[Sleepy]

The hell it does. Metal is a direct descendant of rock.

That is 100% true.

But I have a good 4 or 5 Mozart songs that sound like Melodic Death Metal, sans distorted guitars, screaming vocals and drums played ridiculously fast.

I think what Julian was trying to say is that metal sounds a whole damn lot like classical music, and I'm inclined to agree. It may have sprung from the loins of Rock N' Roll, but when you look at it from a strictly musical theory perspective (scales, chord progressions, etc.), a lot of it has a tendency to follow suit with Beethoven, Mozart, and Bach.

[i am the robots]

In flames is Gothenburg, i'll give you that.

hatebreed's closest specific genre is hardcore.....anybody can slap the broad "metal" label on any metal or "core" band and call it good. You fail.

Suicidal tendencies is the furthest thing from hardcore. If anything, they are thrash. You fail again


...and I never ****ing said Vehemence was black metal- I said specifically that God Was Created showed hints of symphonic black metal influence.

Three strikes.........you really fail.

You're kidding right? Hatebreed = hardcore and Suicidal Tendencies = thrash?

ST is metalcore, well specifically crossover, but they had a lot of straight up hardcore songs on their older stuff. The thrash elements came to their music later, for instance, Suicidal Tendencies is a straight up hardcore album.

you forgot Metalcore, bands like As I Lay Dying, Killswitch, Shadows Fall, bands that take the intensity of hardcore with the speed and dexterity of metal

Those bands are all post-hardcore with tinges of Gothenburg and thrash thrown in.


TINGES

[Shred Danson]

you forgot Metalcore, bands like As I Lay Dying, Killswitch, Shadows Fall, bands that take the intensity of hardcore with the speed and dexterity of metal

Traditional heavy Metal
This is kind of a "catch all". There are plenty of sub-genres, but there are lots of bands that don't fit any sub-genre and can't really be called anything except "heavy metal". This can be basically anything from the old school British heavy metal invation to the newer stuff coming out today (not to be confused with nu-metal). This is what most people think of when they hear "Power metal" or such terms. Lots of different styles can be considered traditional heavy metal. Some bands: Iron Maiden, Judas Preist, Iced Earth, Godsmack, Manowar, Killswitch Engage, Shadows Fall etc etc etc etc.

yup. :)

[HAIL TRUE METAL]

The hell it does. Metal is a direct descendant of rock.
definately true

[Jondur]

[QUOTE=Werny]It is literally impossible for everyone to have the same idea of what metal is. Some people think Black Sabbath were the heaviest band ever (I kid you not, most stoner rock bands say that), QUOTE]

Well "heavy" is a very nebulous term. I'd say that in the sense of a feeling of evil and impending dread then Black Sabbath "Black Sabbath" is the heaviest things ever to be recorded. I don't think anyone has ever matched that.

[Werny]

Well "heavy" is a very nebulous term. I'd say that in the sense of a feeling of evil and impending dread then Black Sabbath "Black Sabbath" is the heaviest things ever to be recorded. I don't think anyone has ever matched that.

I respect that. If we're talking about evil and impending dread then I would put The Wreckage Of My Flesh by My Dying Bride as the heaviest song of all time. But heaviness is subjective, and I would agree that early Black Sabbath was indeed amazingly heavy.

[tubflogging]

More people need to read this. The list does need Power Metal, Hair Metal, and maybe Grindcore. That depends on whether you think Grindcore is more closely related to punk because of Crust, or if it is extremely oversimplified thrash/death metal (oversimplified because Grindcore bands often are lacking standard instrumentation, or distort so much you can't tell what the heck they're doing.)

[Werny]

More people need to read this. The list does need Power Metal, Hair Metal, and maybe Grindcore. That depends on whether you think Grindcore is more closely related to punk because of Crust, or if it is extremely oversimplified thrash/death metal (oversimplified because Grindcore bands often are lacking standard instrumentation, or distort so much you can't tell what the heck they're doing.)

There's a lot of grindcore bands that are technical and have good enough production for the listener to hear everything. In fact all grindcore that I've heard has very clear riffs.

I think there's enough variety and bands to call grindcore a real genre.

[convulsion]

shouldn't you add Industrial Metal,Grunge Metal,and Crust to the list?

[Werny]

shouldn't you add Industrial Metal,Grunge Metal,and Crust to the list?

This thread is for real genres, buddy.

Industrial Metal could be a real genre I suppose but there's only really Rammstein and Ministry in it.

[Silenius]

I always laugh a little when I see this thread get brought back to the first page. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Remeber the good ol' times when this was stickied? :)

[RiceMonster]

Remeber the good ol' times when this was stickied? :)
I do. It was quite convenient when you wanted the link.

[Moses]

Not everything was correct the first time around though. I remember having metalcore and stuff on there with bands like Shadows Fall on there. Either that or I'm crazy.

[Epicurus]

This thread is for real genres, buddy.

Industrial Metal could be a real genre I suppose but there's only really Rammstein and Ministry in it.

Fear Factory is aswell.

[Bartender]

That depends on whether you think Grindcore is more closely related to punk because of Crust, or if it is extremely oversimplified thrash/death metal (oversimplified because Grindcore bands often are lacking standard instrumentation, or distort so much you can't tell what the heck they're doing.)

Well it's kind of both. Punk got more and more extreme and started turning into grind in bits and pieces, and at the same time, elsewhere, mated with metal to turn out thrash (and then death and black) which got progressively more extreme until you also had some grind there. And then just met in the middle, it seems.


shouldn't you add Industrial Metal,Grunge Metal,and Crust to the list?

Adding crust would seem a bit redundant; we do have a whole punk forum elsewhere on the site.