The different genres of metal

[bob the ripper apple.]

awesome list.. good descriptions

im into ... by your standards... the black metal... or doom metal... but my favorite band is opeth.. and that is in the death metal section. i really dont know about very many bands that have similiare styles as opeth. and i really dont know where to start searching... burzum? mayhem? ... i dont know.. could anyone give me some of the good bands and albums that fit into those kinds of categories so i can test them out?

[thenextiommi]

Dude knows his ****

[BlindWriting]

123
That must have taken a long time to write up.

[bob the ripper apple.]

....

[bumskin]

Someone forgot to mention DeathMetalDiscoPornFunKElectroCore

[Kingofdudes]

Someone forgot to mention DeathMetalDiscoPornFunKElectroCore

Dont be gay

[Bartender]

tell me more about NSBM bands... I'm quite into nazi techno at the moment, but I used to be a bit of a black metal kid.

www.nsbm.org

[BlindWriting]

My bad, I thought Legion88 was talking about the actual list at the beginning of the thread.

[Silenius]

Can anyone reccomend some good metalcore, I just got a Unearth cd and I like what I hear.

[chuck6969]

well, since im no good at reading comprehension, which metal is the fastest, luders and harderst, or just has the coolets music parts to them

[Silenius]

**** it. I heard some more metalcore and it sucks.

[Kingofdudes]

well, since im no good at reading comprehension, which metal is the fastest, luders and harderst, or just has the coolets music parts to them

....has too much to do with opinion, you will have to find out for yourself

[HNLzero]

http://www.entertainment.inuk.com/music/genreguides.html#anchor33720

[DONT KNOW]

Thats a great list.....we also need Power Metal and Hair Metal. There are prolly others, but thats what I can think of now.
you make a GOOD POINT ABOUT POWER METAL BECAUSE I AM A HUGE SLAYER FAN AND EVERY ONE SAYS THERE DEATH METAL BUT THERE REALLY NOT THERE MORE GUITAR AND VOCALS AND I LIKE BANDS NOT MUSIC

[Bartender]

What?

[xeulogyxunearthx]

#1014
high_voltage_acdc
Die Baphomet Horde




Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 368 **** it. I heard some more metalcore and it sucks.


what else did you hear. Unearth is simply amazing. i know you gave up but go to www.Allthatremains.cc and youll here some good metalcore..

unearth and all that remains, as well as killswitch engage and since the flood are from Massachusetts, i suggest you try gettin into some of this, www.massconcerts.com<<<scroll down till you see unearth.

[black_sabbath634]

what genere is shadows fall

[Kingofdudes]

Metalcore

[bob the ripper apple.]

i got a black dahlia murder cd called.... i forgot.. somethin about ... unhallowed or somethin... dont know.. i dont like these vocals very much.. any recommendations on some more melodic bands?

in the same type of genre with guitars and stuff.... in flames? havent heard much.

[MyWoodWorm]

Looks really good.

[xeulogyxunearthx]

oh yea, shadows fall is from Mass. too. they are good. in flames are really good guitarists . i think they are among the best out of europe . one band you should check out is unearth if you havent already. just a suggestion.

[Phil Anselmo]

is metalcore the same thing as nu-metal?

[Kwash2]

you make a GOOD POINT ABOUT POWER METAL BECAUSE I AM A HUGE SLAYER FAN AND EVERY ONE SAYS THERE DEATH METAL BUT THERE REALLY NOT THERE MORE GUITAR AND VOCALS AND I LIKE BANDS NOT MUSIC
Actually, about 90% of people on here call them Thrash.

[Phil Anselmo]

hahahah what a dumbass, slayer is thrash metal

[bob the ripper apple.]

the " nu metal " that i listen to seems to be slower than metal core. nu metal.. ex.. korn, disturbed,slipknot, otep.... metal core... ex... . black dahlia murder.. atreyu... from autumn to ashes...

[Bartender]

is metalcore the same thing as nu-metal?

No, they're different things. If you go to the Punk forum, there's a stickied thread (I think) called Hardcore/Metalcore Education.

[dav28]

metalcore is more like avenged sevenfold and stuff like that

found this online
A more heavy metal-oriented offshoot of hardcore punk, metalcore developed in the 1990's, perhaps exemplified by Hatebreed. In most cases, metalcore combines the heavy, crunching riffs of 90's metal with screamed vocals and often politically charged lyrical content.

Like most forms of heavy metal music metalcore is sometimes loosely or arbitrarily defined.

Other proponents include Converge, All Out War, Integrity, Zao, Poison the Well, Botch, Norma Jean Creation is Crucifixion, Dillinger Escape Plan, Daughters and Eighteen Visions.

like atreyu etc

[dav28]

found this 2



Beyond the pronouced hip-hop influence, Nu Metal has--like most forms of heavy metal music--proven somewhat difficult to define. Some fans and musicians have a firm concept of genre and subgenre, but others reject such categorization as unnessesary, limiting or useless. There is often significant crossover from one category to another, and often the influence of non-metal music.

Some heavy metal fans do not consider nu metal a form of heavy metal music at all, arguing the genre is too diluted from what they consider "true" heavy metal, further noting that nu metal guitarists typically forgo traditional metal guitar technique, including both soloing and the riff style most associated with the older styles of metal. Other heavy metal fans, however, reject these arguments, citing rock music's long history of incorporating disparate elements--including jazz, experimental music and world music--out of curiosity or genuine appreciation for other musical genres.

While Deftones and Korn are typically cited as the genre's instigators, bands like Faith No More, Rage Against The Machine and Cubanate are cited as progenitors. Some fans have noted the influence of even earlier artists, such as Prong and Tool.

[Gotkookie]

the " nu metal " that i listen to seems to be slower than metal core. nu metal.. ex.. korn, disturbed,slipknot, otep.... metal core... ex... . black dahlia murder.. atreyu... from autumn to ashes...
no. shut up, before you make yourself look more stupid.

nu metal = soad, etc...

metalcore = Converge, Dep, the bled, norma jean, between the buried and me, etc..

[Invicta_Veritas]

ok what specifically would lamb of god be defined as.........just a quick question

[schweinhunt]

found this 2



Beyond the pronouced hip-hop influence, Nu Metal has--like most forms of heavy metal music--proven somewhat difficult to define. Some fans and musicians have a firm concept of genre and subgenre, but others reject such categorization as unnessesary, limiting or useless. There is often significant crossover from one category to another, and often the influence of non-metal music.

Some heavy metal fans do not consider nu metal a form of heavy metal music at all, arguing the genre is too diluted from what they consider "true" heavy metal, further noting that nu metal guitarists typically forgo traditional metal guitar technique, including both soloing and the riff style most associated with the older styles of metal. Other heavy metal fans, however, reject these arguments, citing rock music's long history of incorporating disparate elements--including jazz, experimental music and world music--out of curiosity or genuine appreciation for other musical genres.

While Deftones and Korn are typically cited as the genre's instigators, bands like Faith No More, Rage Against The Machine and Cubanate are cited as progenitors. Some fans have noted the influence of even earlier artists, such as Prong and Tool.
Sounds like a load of bullsh*t from allmusic.com or somewhere, confusing cultural definitions with musical definitions.

Heavy metal is driven by riffs! This definition alone can include everything from Helloween to Darkthrone. Mallcore like Korn and Linkin Park doesn't even know the word "riff". A lot of punk rock is a lot heavier than those, yet no-one considers them metal - especially hardcore punk ie. Discharge, The Exploited, Sick of it All... Mallcore is merely driven by vocals/chords - that's rock, not metal. 90s noise-plagued, scream-filled, modern rock. Whoever invented "everything with distortion is heavy metal" is no Edison. If you have a more useful definition, by all means present it.

And if you consider The Roots groove-laden music as rap, then why not also RATM?

[DavidBowieWasHere]

Goth metal and Alt-metal? :confused: I don't mean to be a prick or anything, just asking . . . I kinda think in this one goth was pretty much wrapped up in black metal. That's what it seems like to me.


Just in case anyone's wondering what I mean, goth metal, to me, is Blind Guardian and such. (If anyone's already addressed this issue, you can ignore this post; I was just too lazy to read all the posts. *LOL*)

[bob the ripper apple.]

blind guardian? goth metal? nah i call their genre fantasy metal. goth metal?? hmm cradle of filth... not many others come to mind at this moment....

[Bartender]

Blind Guardian are power metal, and Cradle of Filth are black metal (though if rumours are true, they're playing melodic death now). Goth metal is bands like later Paradise Lost, Lacuna Coil, Type O Negative, I think.

[bob the ripper apple.]

i put blind guardian and opeth in the same category... maybe im weird i donno, what are some bands that are similiar to them?

[Invicta_Veritas]

type o would be considered goth metal, would it not?

that or goth rock, whichever you prefer. some people might not consider them any kind of metal, which could be understandable

[Kingofdudes]

ok what specifically would lamb of god be defined as.........just a quick question

Metalcore

[schweinhunt]

i put blind guardian and opeth in the same category... maybe im weird i donno, what are some bands that are similiar to them?
Considering I love one of them, and consider the other as one of the worst bands ever, I doubt they barely have any similarities.

[xeulogyxunearthx]

between the buried and me? metalcore? i think they are belong in the same genre of glass casket. whatever it may be, but my opinion isnt metalcore.

alright this topic has confused me. these are my favorite bands, i dont what to call my music now now. i would just usually metal/hardcore +or- some of the screamo, fata)

all that remains, avenged sevenfold, atreyu, btbam,glass casket, killswitch engage, unearth, since the flood, f.a.t.a., poisne the well, shadows fall, amon amarth, in flames, . and older stuff metallica, black sabbath led zepps

i still call myself metalcore/hardcore, but this thread has changed the titles around, not that it matters, i just dont wanna have to explain who i like when i asked, i could just give the title

[Stoic]

Da.mn a lot of people lately seem to confuse goth with power...

[ddemonhunter]

Yeah System of a Down is nu metal no matter how hard you try to say otherwise.

Very good list man...verrry good list.

sure, but they still kick ***

[Pete]

Zombiecore

Sound like Shai Hulud. Have all the members of Shai Hulud. Play metalcore like Shai Hulud, only make it more simple, straight-forward and zombiefied. Rename your band (which is currently called Shai Hulud) to Zombie Apocalypse. Record an album. Kick ***.

Prominent bands: Zombie Apocalypse

[UltraMegaRadiationBeast]

Uh, Kaden where's Marilyn Manson and Rob Zombie in your list of industrial metal? :confused: They are and always be the best of their genre.

[Kingofdudes]

It's not a definitive list, so not every band is gonna be on it.

[UltraMegaRadiationBeast]

man whatever

[the call of ktulu]

nice post,must of taken quite some time but missing some key points
first of all metallica can't simply be in one category
due to the 20 yrs they have dominated they have went through huge changes
metallica is obviously considered thrash and heavy metal,but their new CRAP should be the rest os the ***** NU-METAL bands that fail to connect with teens at all,i am one
NU-METAL is crap and bands like Slip Knot and Papa Roach are an embarassment
Slip Knot is pathetic,go to a concert and ull see why
listen u obviously know ur stuff but come on...
u might as well seperate the categories as metal
and ***** metal,lol

[Invicta_Veritas]

Zombiecore

Sound like Shai Hulud. Have all the members of Shai Hulud. Play metalcore like Shai Hulud, only make it more simple, straight-forward and zombiefied. Rename your band (which is currently called Shai Hulud) to Zombie Apocalypse. Record an album. Kick ***.

Prominent bands: Zombie Apocalypse

you forgot one part---horribly slaughter guns n roses welcome to the jungle on a tribute album

[Kingofdudes]

nice post,must of taken quite some time but missing some key points
first of all metallica can't simply be in one category
due to the 20 yrs they have dominated they have went through huge changes
metallica is obviously considered thrash and heavy metal,but their new CRAP should be the rest os the ***** NU-METAL bands that fail to connect with teens at all,i am one
NU-METAL is crap and bands like Slip Knot and Papa Roach are an embarassment
Slip Knot is pathetic,go to a concert and ull see why
listen u obviously know ur stuff but come on...
u might as well seperate the categories as metal
and ***** metal,lol

please dont post in here anymore.

[HNLzero]

nice post,must of taken quite some time but missing some key points
first of all metallica can't simply be in one category
due to the 20 yrs they have dominated they have went through huge changes
metallica is obviously considered thrash and heavy metal,but their new CRAP should be the rest os the ***** NU-METAL bands that fail to connect with teens at all,i am one
NU-METAL is crap and bands like Slip Knot and Papa Roach are an embarassment
Slip Knot is pathetic,go to a concert and ull see why
listen u obviously know ur stuff but come on...
u might as well seperate the categories as metal
and ***** metal,lol
you just had to join musicianforums to say that didn't you?

[Guitar_From_HELL]

solo's **** it up sometimes

[Bartender]

What?

[PIGS(1 different one)]

solo's **** it up sometimes


If it is a bad guitarist doing a bad solo, but I will agree some songs do not need them, but they usually sound better with them.

[JohnnyCorpse]

what a lot of effort to pigeonhole every artist

[dom p]

he only did it because of the constantr questions about which band fits into which genre

[dom p]

i said this before but no-one answered, does any know what sikth would be?

[Verikansa]

good list and klatu is an idiot papa roach just came out with new album and its good im more leanient to nu metal

also what would kittie and otep be under?

[Bartender]

Probably nu-metal.

Dom - can't help you on Sikth. They're just strange.

[bob the ripper apple.]

..... which do you think is the worst band ever? i put them into the same category because i dont really know many other bands that infuse melodic classical acoustic passages with metal effectively

....schwein hunt

[Dark_Luke]

I disagree with the bands you put down for Nu-Metal. The lyrics in system of a down are very deep and meaningful.

As for slipknot, I think they fit more under just "heavy metal" as they do change style with albums and its really not their falt that losers/teenyboppers are into their music.

I can understand P.O.D and CO. in "Nu-metal".

[bob the ripper apple.]

slipknot really isnt that bad. just get a wee bit repetitive after a while. i like listening to them though. which is your favorite album?

[PIGS(1 different one)]

" as they do change style with albums and its really not their falt that losers/teenyboppers are into their music.




*cough*

[Heavy0metal0freak]

genius pure genius :thumb:

[Dark_Luke]

*cough*

Slipknot also have a good fan base. I like slipknot myself.

Im just saying a lot of losers are into them too.

[schweinhunt]

..... which do you think is the worst band ever? i put them into the same category because i dont really know many other bands that infuse melodic classical acoustic passages with metal effectively

....schwein hunt
So what about bands who do it ineffectively?

Mostly Opeth is about as metal as King Crimson, except ten times more repetitive.

[bob the ripper apple.]

.. :lol: . what opeth have you heard?

maybe your thinking of... *cough* , otep?

[cramboli]

either way its still metal so who gives a fuc|(.
its all about the metal and the metal is about to be LOUD

[vainraven]

Now theres a band I like that always gets listed as like heavy metal or nu-metal or just plain rock, etc. and I was wondering what you guys think of where/if Staind fits. Course keep in mind their albums fit in three different levels. Personally I don't really know where to put the first two as they are definitely metalish and loud, their first one especially, but I came into the fanbase at Break the Cycle for a truly depressive style that so far ive found in few places.

Most of the songs are just melodic and fairly simple, but there were two at least still metalish. For You, had an awesome guitar solo and the album version of Can't Believe is just plain all out shouting for a minute and half. Pressure I thought was fairly heavy but ive heard some people say that one's just angry rock music.

While I like a majority of the songs because I understand Aaron Lewis has moved on from all the **** he used to sing about, I'm no fool in that 14 Shades of Grey is no where near metal and is very "radio friendly" (though Price to Play and Novacaine are quite loud with heavy guitar work) and the band gets criticised for changing their tunes, but I already expected it having known that Outside from Break the Cycle was done before Staind even existed.

Anywho I'm wandering on a tangent, I guess most sepecifally i want to know where in the metal genre do the first two Staind albums fall and if any of the songs on Break the Cycle qualify as metal.

[RivFader]

i got a question for u guys.
what do u think of the guitar solo(can u count it as a solo?) at the beginning of lake bodom from children of bodom??i think it's amazing

[schweinhunt]

either way its still metal so who gives a fuc|(.
its all about the metal and the metal is about to be LOUD
So isn't hardcore punk loud enough, then? Considering The Exploited are louder than Iron Maiden.

[corybott]

Nu-metal
Nu-metal is the newest craze to hit mainstream rock radio. Without trying to bash it too much, generally speaking the music structure is very simplistic. Lyrics cover subjects that are close to todays teens (depression, abuse, drugs etc). There are very few guitar solos and the one's that are there are typically very simple and short. Vocals can range from the more metal influenced to a fusion of metal and rap. Guitars are often downtuned or drop tuned. This genre is generally not very popular among listeners of other metal music, but it is the newest craze and therefore very promoted and heavily played on the radio. Bands: Slipknot, Mudvayne, System Of A Down, Papa Roach, P.O.D., Linkin Park, Disturbed.


.

I am not the most knowledgable person on metal music (at all, in fact). But I am extremely positive that bands like slipknot should not be grouped with trash like linkin park and papa roach, there is a huge difference between the types of music. Slipknot is much more "metal" (i use that term loosely), where as linkin park is hardcore (i use that term quite loosely as well). Just wanted to stick up for my Slipknot (grouping them with linkin park is disgusting)

[schweinhunt]

I am not the most knowledgable person on metal music (at all, in fact). But I am extremely positive that bands like slipknot should not be grouped with trash like linkin park and papa roach, there is a huge difference between the types of music. Slipknot is much more "metal" (i use that term loosely), where as linkin park is hardcore (i use that term quite loosely as well). Just wanted to stick up for my Slipknot (grouping them with linkin park is disgusting)
Do you expect Black Sabbath fans to be any less disgusted about being associated to Slipknot?

Again, if being loud and screaming makes you heavy metal, then what is not metal about hardcore punk? Consider yourself logicf*cked.

[Kingofdudes]

Consider yourself logicf*cked.

Ouch, sound painful :eek:

either way its still metal so who gives a fuc|(.
its all about the metal and the metal is about to be LOUD

Go away, you read wrong, this isnt the homo thread.

[bob the ripper apple.]

good solo.

[Licka-of-Metal]

That helped heaps, now i know what kind of metal i like, well at least i have a name for the kind of metal i like. :thumb:

[legion88]

I like rock n' roll put another dime in the duke-box baby.

[Dark_Luke]

I am not the most knowledgable person on metal music (at all, in fact). But I am extremely positive that bands like slipknot should not be grouped with trash like linkin park and papa roach, there is a huge difference between the types of music. Slipknot is much more "metal" (i use that term loosely), where as linkin park is hardcore (i use that term quite loosely as well). Just wanted to stick up for my Slipknot (grouping them with linkin park is disgusting)

I totally agree. Putting slipknot and system of a down along with P.O.D and linkin park is disgusting.

Slipknot and system of a down are metal where as P.O.D are a bunch of christains and linkin park are a bunch of rich nerds.

[legion88]

hang on there, System is not metal, it is rock.. and slipknot is hardcore.. what are you on?

[RivFader]

system of a down, rock????it's nu metal.just read the nu metal section on the first page of the thread and u'll see system of a down under nu metal

[legion88]

rock is nu metal

[RivFader]

...

[Kingofdudes]

system of a down - numetal
POD - Numetal
slipknot - numetal
linkin park - numetal


Now shut the hell up.

[Phil Anselmo]

all those bands suck, modern rock sucks

[legion88]

so they are rock, yes?

[Kingofdudes]

Metal comes from rock, everything in this forum is rock......

[Pete]

hang on there, System is not metal, it is rock.. and slipknot is hardcore.. what are you on?
I ask you - listen to Minor Threat, and then listen to Slipknot. Listen to Terror, and then listen to Slipknot. Listen to Comeback Kid, Bad Brains, Agnostic Front, 7 Seconds, Casey Jones - then listen to Slipknot.

If you can't hear the difference, you are what they call "musically challenged". Basically, when it comes to music, you don't know your *** from your elbow.

Slipknot is in no way hardcore.

[Big-Bird]

rock is nu metal

HAHAHAHHAHAHHA BIG LAUGH

[legion88]

? ok children.. haha

[Kingofdudes]

If you can't hear the difference, you are what they call "musically challenged". Basically, when it comes to music, you don't know your *** from your elbow.


75% of R&M suffer from this disease

[Bartender]

More than 75, surely.

[egam]

www.purevolume.com/diebenny

[Bartender]

Is that your band?

[legion88]

Listen kids, you shouldn't listen to anything but Black metal, enough said.

[Big-Bird]

Die

[RivFader]

well said

[Lord Abortion]

zombiecore rules,
new breed of punk-metal crossover but with songs about zombies
best band,in Zombiecore,
Send More Paramedics.

[sickgoregrind]

only band,in Zombiecore,
Send More Paramedics.
Well said.

[Dark_Luke]

Holy ****ing ****.

LISTEN to lets say. Sleeping awake by - P.O.D

Then listen to lets say. (Sic) By Slipknot

If you think they are both rock after that I consider you a fool who is on crack.

I would also like to note that Slipknot has a very bad name after all the **** sucking teenybopper hoes started likeing them. So I can understand naming them nu-metal (Whatever that means anyway)

I listen to Tool and such as well and people try and tell me thats metal. **** you.

[legion88]

I agree slipknot is not nu-metal, listen to heretic anthem.

[Haggan]

Very good, But where is Power metal?

[Bartender]

Somewhere later in the thread. Use the search option.

[Imperial Necro]

I am not the most knowledgable person on metal music (at all, in fact). But I am extremely positive that bands like slipknot should not be grouped with trash like linkin park and papa roach, there is a huge difference between the types of music. Slipknot is much more "metal" (i use that term loosely), where as linkin park is hardcore (i use that term quite loosely as well). Just wanted to stick up for my Slipknot (grouping them with linkin park is disgusting)

Well some may think that Cannibal Corpse shouldn't be grouped with Pantera.

However, they are both still metal, aren't they?

So shut the **** up.

[DavidBowieWasHere]

system of a down - numetal
POD - Numetal
slipknot - numetal
linkin park - numetal


Now shut the hell up.
Yeah, there are different kinds of N&uuml; Metal. Let's divide them into MORE frickin' genres, shall we?

How about sounds-like-Korn N&uuml; Metal and sounds-like-Alice-in-Chains N&uuml; Metal?


And modern rock does not suck, nor is N&uuml; Metal modern rock to me. I think they're just commercialistic nonsense. Only band out of them I can stand is System of a Down, and then it's pretty much their first album. Anyway, I realize we got a lot of N&uuml; Metal-heads here. No big deal. :) Just saying what I'm a-thinkin'. That's why I joined here. I gotta vent, man; I gotta vent.

[Imperial Necro]

^

It still classifies as nu-metal. There was nothing wrong with what he said.

[CreepingBlack]

is Cradle of filth Black metal then?

[IcemanicIC200]

holy shi-ite, is this fricken thread still goin...

[nafan]

system of a down are in no way nu-metal. to me nu metal is stuff lke papa roach, linkin park, pod etc

system of a down are not numetal i would also say teh slipknot are not nu metal, tho they suck just as hard as any nu metal band

[Kingofdudes]

system of a down are in no way nu-metal. to me nu metal is stuff lke papa roach, linkin park, pod etc

system of a down are not numetal i would also say teh slipknot are not nu metal, tho they suck just as hard as any nu metal band

Slipknot - Nu-metal
System of a Down - Nu-metal

Deal with it.

[nafan]

i realy dont think they are i personaly see nu metal as pop punk type stuff. and neither of these bands fit that.

[Kingofdudes]

They dont fall under all of the attributes of Nu-metal, but they do fall under many.

BTW I like SOAD, and I dont have a problem with calling them numetal.

[nafan]

i can only see the drop tuning guitars. but i suppose every1 has there own opinion on nu metal, its generaly what the younger people like. nu metal does have its purposes tho. it gets people into metal from pop. tho i have found metallica does that much quicker play them some metallica and they are into metal al the way

[legion88]

shut up pokemon boy, you have no say in this...
yeah Cradle is commercial black metal.

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

Cradle of Filth is (/me coins a term) neo-symphonic *poser* black metal.
They should be in no way associated with the greater, previous symphonic black metal bands.

[Dark_Luke]

So any NEW metalish music that is realesed falls under Nu-metal.

No need for any other types of metal guys! All music these days falls under "Nu-Metal!"

....

OR NOT.

Place system of a down and slipknot into the other types and P.O.D and Linkinpark can **** off as they are not metal anyway.

Unless we want all the latest music in one type! Wowza that sounds like fun!

[RivFader]

we need more black metal by the greatest:burzum,emperor ya know...we don't need anymore punk-*** nu metal bands like slipknot.why don't they go back to iowa and eat corn...

[legion88]

Why dont Cradle of Filth and Emperor become one band - then sell some albums to 14yo's.

[Kingofdudes]

So any NEW metalish music that is realesed falls under Nu-metal.

No need for any other types of metal guys! All music these days falls under "Nu-Metal!"

....

OR NOT.

Place system of a down and slipknot into the other types and P.O.D and Linkinpark can **** off as they are not metal anyway.

Unless we want all the latest music in one type! Wowza that sounds like fun!


Not all new bands fall under Nu-metal. System of a down and Slipknot have many numetal traits and barely any traits under any other genre. Thus they are nu-metal.

[schweinhunt]

Not all new bands fall under Nu-metal. System of a down and Slipknot have many numetal traits and barely any traits under any other genre. Thus they are nu-metal.
Traits with metal bands they may share, though I'd say they have more in common with punk, but mallcore is based on none of the songwriting ideal of metal.

[bobthenamelesswonder]

Great description, but what separates traditional heavy metal bands like Led Zep & Deep Purple from rock like Queen, Thin Lizzy, etc. They're quite similar and not exactly heavy.

[schweinhunt]

Great description, but what separates traditional heavy metal bands like Led Zep & Deep Purple from rock like Queen, Thin Lizzy, etc. They're quite similar and not exactly heavy.
Listen to Deep Purple's "Fireball" (the song). It's a lot more riff-orientated (as are Sabbath and Priest), compared to most of their other (at least early 70s) songs, or those other bands you mentioned. A lot heavier than some "Heretic Anthem" or "Numb" in that aspect.

Led Zeppelin is not much heavier than Queen. Though I'd say Communication Breakdown is at least proto-heavy metal - can anyone contribute some opinion to this?

[Invicta_Veritas]

btw system of a down is nothing but a bunch of pu**y *** punk/funk/pansy wierd rock
band that should never have existed.
Cradle of filth is far truer to black and goth metal than half the wannabes out there now (ie, the agony scene, dimmu, etc).
pod is a stupid *** rap rock band (or they think they are) and doesnt deserve to even be called numetal.

[bob the ripper apple.]

haha... so opinionated... so angry... humours me...

. are you trying to stir up an argument over this?? cause i can guarintee its been done before.

all music is music.... for the most part... and jeez, if soad want to sound like they do? let them... if p.o.d wanna sound like they do? let them... bottom line? dont hate. :thumb:

[Bartender]

Cradle of filth is far truer to black and goth metal than half the wannabes out there now (ie, the agony scene, dimmu, etc).


Cradle of Filth are at least as "untrue" as Dimmu Borgir, especially if rumours about the new album are to be believed.

[sickgoregrind]

People who call Cradle of Filth black metal don't listen to black metal. 10 Seconds of Burzum would make them cry.

[RivFader]

true

[Steerpike]

Somewhere later in the thread. Use the search option.

That reminds me, myself and others are having problems with the Search function. It sits there for a while then tells us a fatal error occurred.

Anyway, the power metal definition is pretty deeply buried. If no one minds, I'd like to post my own definition here.

Power Metal

Power Metal was largely inspired by the works of Iron Maiden and Ronnie James Dio. Helloween is often given credit for defining the genre as we know it today. Power metal is often scorned and laughed at by outsiders due to the over-the-top lyrics and high fantasy imagery. The music itself is typically defined by a driving rhythm section, usually featuring a lot of double bass drumming, and a tight sense of melody, thus requiring a high degree of technical skill and musicianship. The vocalists tend to be very diverse and it is difficult to find unifying themes across the genre, though a singer with a very strong, epic-sounding voice is common. The lyrical content of power metal often has high fantasy or sword & sorcery themes. Many power metal bands are known for an over-the-top stage presence. A prime example of which is Manowar, who have on two separate occassions broken the records as "The World's Loudest Band."

Notable Bands: Hammerfall, Blind Guardian, Helloween, Manowar, Nightwish, Rhapsody, (arguably) Iced Earth, Dragonforce


I hope that covers it.

EDIT: Corrected a rather embarassing factual error.

[RivFader]

nightwish is not power metal it's symphonic metal... and Iced Earth is heavy metal

[Steerpike]

Nightwish is debatable, I guess. And I already said Iced Earth is arguable. They don't neatly fit into one genre like other bands do. I consider both bands power metal for the ambience and feel of the music.

[RivFader]

Iced Earth is arguable cus it's pretty much something between power and heavy

[Bartender]

I'd agree Iced Earth is debatable (always struck me as a thrash/power hybrid), but I thought Nightwish was fairly clear-cut symphonic metal.

[Steerpike]

Well, if you want I'll just edit the post. I've always considered Nightwish power metal, but given how volatile some personalities around here can get, I'd rather not spark another controversy. I swear the number of posts in this thread arguing about whether or not certain bands are nu-metal or not number into the triple digits.

[Bartender]

I don't care that much :) Just dropped in my opinion.

[Sick_Of_Life]

cool reasearch

[FrailandBedazzled1979]

Iced Earth is arguable cus it's pretty much something between power and heavy

there is sooooo much more emphasis on thrash metal than power metal in that group.

[FrailandBedazzled1979]

People who call Cradle of Filth black metal don't listen to black metal. 10 Seconds of Burzum would make them cry.

COF have stated several times in the past few years "we have not been playing "black metal" since around 1994...dont call us that" yet people tend to blame the band.

[jameschez]

How can you put system of a down in a genre? they combine elements of all sections of rock...... except maybe prog rock! i dont think they are Nu metal! how can you compare them to the likes of Papa Roach?!

Apart from thata good, sound list.

I agree with you on metallica... there new stuff is really dissapointing.

[Lord Abortion]

COF have stated several times in the past few years "we have not been playing "black metal" since around 1994...dont call us that" yet people tend to blame the band.
THANK YOU thats what ive been trying to say on other threads

[Kingofdudes]

How can you put system of a down in a genre? they combine elements of all sections of rock...... except maybe prog rock! i dont think they are Nu metal! how can you compare them to the likes of Papa Roach?!

Apart from thata good, sound list.

I agree with you on metallica... there new stuff is really dissapointing.

Prog rock?!?! Do you even know what prog rock is?

[corybott]

Well some may think that Cannibal Corpse shouldn't be grouped with Pantera.

However, they are both still metal, aren't they?

So shut the **** up.


hey, linkin park is not metal at all. there is no way they can be classified with slipknot, no matter what kind of metal you think slipknot is. Linkin Park doesnt not even fit into any metal genre. So you can shut the **** up.

[Iai]

Well, if you want I'll just edit the post. I've always considered Nightwish power metal, but given how volatile some personalities around here can get, I'd rather not spark another controversy. I swear the number of posts in this thread arguing about whether or not certain bands are nu-metal or not number into the triple digits.

I agree totally with calling Nightwish power metal. They just have a keyboard player with an interest in romantic/classical music, and an unusual vocalist. It sets them apart, but doesn't stop them being power metal.

[Levi of Crawlspace]

Has anyone mentioned Liquid Metal? But the only band with that style of music that I know of is Tool, so that's probably why.

[Stoic]

why the **** do you have to create new stupid sounding sub-genres in order to fit some certain groups under the label "metal"? Surprisingly I respect tool more that other "alternative" acts but for gods sake what makes them metal?

[V!T0Z]

is slipknot nu-metal? i never knew...lol

great list.

[loathed]

pfft...Nu-Metal is the future...so all of you who thinks it blows can blow yourself...stop dissing it

[Kingofdudes]

Nu-Metal is starting to fade away actually

[RivFader]

and that's a good thing

[Steerpike]

pfft...Nu-Metal is the future...so all of you who thinks it blows can blow yourself...stop dissing it

If nu-metal is the future, then it only proves that I was born 400 years too late.

As King of Dudes has already pointed out, it's on its way out, anyway. Nu-metal is just another fad like the glam and grunge movements. Devoted fans will still listen to it, attend concerts, and buy any albums that the bands release down the road, but the musical scene will change.

The Scandinavian peninsula is having a black/death metal Renaissance. I'm not a particularly big fan of the genres, but I have to admit the bands coming out of there are quite talented.

Power metal is also having some time in the sun. It's getting really big in not only Europe, but South America and Japan as well. And some of the bands are starting to break into the US. I was pleasantly surprised to see Blind Guardian and Stratovarius at Best Buy not long ago.

But all of these things are temporary. People's tastes shift and change constantly because human beings are fickle at best. Nu-metal is not the future, it is the present, and will soon be the past. You don't have to forsake the past, but it's pointless to continue treating it like it is still the present.

[loathed]

okay...its not the future but...look at nu-metal now...i mean...look at all the bands...Evanescence, slipknot, korn, SOAD, Linkin Park, Papa Roach...i bet anyone band out of the 6 i've listed will beat 3 other sub-genre metal bands in terms of record sales...okay so its not the future...its the present, but you cant say its fading away...Papa roach just came out with a really good album...etc etc. To put it simply, Yes, nu-metal may not be the future, but it sure is a present, addictive...simple...etc...etc...and you bet 30 years down the road, people will still remember nu-metal for what it is.

[Steerpike]

okay...its not the future but...look at nu-metal now...i mean...look at all the bands...Evanescence, slipknot, korn, SOAD, Linkin Park, Papa Roach...

You could say the same about glam bands in the mid to late 80's.

i bet anyone band out of the 6 i've listed will beat 3 other sub-genre metal bands in terms of record sales...

Black Sabbath
Judas Priest
Def Leppard
Van Halen
Metallica
Slayer
KISS

That's just off the top of my head. Now ask yourself... Can you honestly convince yourself that Papa Roach has sold more records than any single one of those bands?

Anyway, record sales are not exactly indicative of quality. Very often, they are a reflection of marketing. You don't need talent to get marketing. Just image.

okay so its not the future...its the present, but you cant say its fading away...Papa roach just came out with a really good album...etc etc.

So they released an album. That doesn't exactly prove anything. A lot of bands continue recording even after the high day of their genre simply because they still have enough of a fanbase to justify it.

Case in point, the New Wave of British Heavy Metal movement is over, but Iron Maiden is still recording.

To put it simply, Yes, nu-metal may not be the future, but it sure is a present, addictive...simple...etc...etc...and you bet 30 years down the road, people will still remember nu-metal for what it is.

People will remember the nu-metal movement, though chances are it will be the same as glam and grunge: people will either fondly remember it, or thank whatever divine entities are up there that it ended.

[jameschez]

Prog rock?!?! Do you even know what prog rock is?

Yes i do. The older bands form the 60's and 70's created the genre.... bands such as yes, wishbone ash, camel and rush. Into the 90s came dream theatre who have adapted prog rock and made it more heavy.

[schweinhunt]

Judging from this forum, there is a growing trend of the 'prog intelligensia' (sarcasm); Anything with lots of incoherent wankery and songs which are long for the sake of being long has suddenly become a good thing, nevermind how little content there is in the music.

[procreationb]

Alright, for one, A lot of those bands that you put in one genre of music are two diverse. Some of what you listed is plain out wrong. You need to either stop classifying it so much, or create a lot more genre groups. For a great example I see you mixing bands that shouldn't be near eachother, some of these bands aren't even metal.

To prove this farther classify:
Crossbreed
Susperia
Cradle of Filth
King Diamond
Avenged Sevenfold
Dope
Godhead
Drowning Pool
White Zombie
Lifeliss

[Kingofdudes]

NOTE: This is a very general guideline and not a definitive carved in stone definition. While I may put a band in with one genre, that doesn't mean that they might not fit into more than one sub-genre.
Again...this is NOT a definitive list. It not by any stretch of the imagination complete. I'm sure if we really wanted to we could come up with a good 20 or so more sub-genres. It is meant as a general guideline

You're great at reading

[procreationb]

I'm saying he was flat out wrong!!! You don't put those bands in the same category, period!
In other words, you CAN'T classify those bands like that because it's not detailed enough.

[Kingofdudes]

Susperia - never heard em
Cradle of Filth - who knows what nowdays
King Diamond - Black Metallish
Avenged Sevenfold - Metalcore
Dope - never heard em
Godhead - never heard em
Drowning Pool - Numetal
White Zombie - never heard em
Lifeliss - never heard em

[Phil Anselmo]

www.metal-archives.com doesnt say nu-metal is a real genre of metal.

Some guy told me it's not the same thing as metalcore.

WTF? someone explain why its not real metal

[bob the ripper apple.]

who listens to God Forbid. i just got gone forever and i lovvve the guitar.... what would they be classified as?

[Kingofdudes]

Part of the whole metalcore New Wave of American Metal movement, I think. But im not sure as I havent heard them.

[corybott]

pfft...Nu-Metal is the future...so all of you who thinks it blows can blow yourself...stop dissing it

First of all, it depends what you classify nu-metal as. I dont think Slipknot is nu-metal if you are gonna call Linkin Park and Papa Roach nu-metal as well. They dont belong in the same category at all. LP and P.R. arent metal at all, but if that what youre calling nu-metal, then new metal does blow. It takes nowhere near the amount of skill it takes to produce real metal, no matter what genre. These types of bands are so 'pop'ish they dont even deserve to be mentioned in this METAL forum.

[Kingofdudes]

First of all, it depends what you classify nu-metal as. I dont think Slipknot is nu-metal if you are gonna call Linkin Park and Papa Roach nu-metal as well. They dont belong in the same category at all. LP and P.R. arent metal at all, but if that what youre calling nu-metal, then new metal does blow. It takes nowhere near the amount of skill it takes to produce real metal, no matter what genre. These types of bands are so 'pop'ish they dont even deserve to be mentioned in this METAL forum.

Thank you for the completely original and never said response.

[schweinhunt]

First of all, it depends what you classify nu-metal as. I dont think Slipknot is nu-metal if you are gonna call Linkin Park and Papa Roach nu-metal as well.
If those are metal, then Slipknot should be called progressive death metal.

[Phil Anselmo]

who listens to God Forbid. i just got gone forever and i lovvve the guitar.... what would they be classified as?
i love gone forever, especially antihero, reminicent of arch enemy's ravenous

they are Melodic Thrash, Metalcore

[SmiteDeSpider]

Good lists and whatnot, great breakdown of everything. Just wanted to say one thing, don't care if I get flamed or not. I like linkin park, though they aren't the best band, the emphasis isn't supposed to be on crafty complex guitar work, rather the 2 lead singers and whatnot how one raps and the other sings/screams. Bleh... anywho, that's my two cents

[procreationb]

Just to get off this subject of what is the definition of nu-metal, let me make it a little bit clearer by saying such bands as : Papa Roach, P.O.D., and Linkin Park....

AREN'T METAL!!!!

[Kingofdudes]

Just to get off this subject of what is the definition of nu-metal, let me make it a little bit clearer by saying such bands as : Papa Roach, P.O.D., and Linkin Park....

AREN'T METAL!!!!
Thank you for the completely original and never said response.
wow, i love to quote myself

[Steerpike]

Just to get off this subject of what is the definition of nu-metal, let me make it a little bit clearer by saying such bands as : Papa Roach, P.O.D., and Linkin Park....

AREN'T METAL!!!!

I'm guessing about 50-some-odd percent of this thread is posts like this now.

Look, I don't want to sound like an ***, but this whole subject has been driven into the ground. Nobody cares anymore because we're so god **** sick of hearing about it.

[Phil Anselmo]

Just to get off this subject of what is the definition of nu-metal, let me make it a little bit clearer by saying such bands as : Papa Roach, P.O.D., and Linkin Park....

AREN'T METAL!!!!
I agree

[bob the ripper apple.]

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG this thread is still getting posts? hahaha

[Twilight]

Gothic Metal (I'm no metal expert, so someone do another one if mines inaccurate):

Gothic metal is an extension of Gothic Rock, which originated around the early 80s. The godfathers of gothic rock were Joy Divison. Gothic Metal is often very atmospheric and includes female vocals and keyboards very often (though not always). Gothic Metal takes the bleak and icy atmospherics of Gothic Rock, and mixes them with the aggression and loud instruments of Metal. Lyrics are often (but not always) about religion, romantic issues, mysticism and horror. Gothic music has a dress style, which was mainly taken from post punk bands of the 70s, such as The Cure and Siouxie and the Banshees. Bands include: Nightwish, Lacuna Coil, (arguably) Evanescence, The Gathering and Type O Negative.
It's party correct. There is only a problem that most people call most bands with a female vocalist gothic metal by default, but this is not true. There are many gothic metal bands that are already around for 10 years that have male vocalists. Like: Sentenced, Tiamat and Moonspell. And Evanescence is definitely not gothic metal, the vocalist sings in a normal way and not uses her voice in a 'gothic' way as in After Forever or Tristania (or very low like in Tiamat or Moonspell).
Nightwish is also called gothic metal a lot, but I think it fits better in symphonic or power metal. I mean don't listen to the vocals and there it is, all the characteristics of power metal. Gothic metal. Key bands: The Gathering, Tristania, Paradise Lost, Moonspell.. (for now)

[RivFader]

Evanescence is gothic rock.nightwish is definitly symphonic metal.i don't that paradise lost is gothic metal, at least i'm not sure of it

[Twilight]

You're right about Nightwish, my mistake. It's symphonic metal too...
Evanescence is just plain rock with a female vocalist.

[add]By the way, I want to make clear that 'gothic' isn't the same as 'gothic metal'. If you talk about goth/gothic music you're not referring to gothic metal, but to music like Sisters of Mercy..

[mordredozzy124]

Evanescence is gothic rock.nightwish is definitly symphonic metal.i don't that paradise lost is gothic metal, at least i'm not sure of it

I do not think evenescence is gothic rock at all

[SmiteDeSpider]

Evanescence? Goth Rock? Whats gothic about Evanescence?

[RivFader]

well then evanscence's rock

[extreme_191]

Judging from this forum, there is a growing trend of the 'prog intelligensia' (sarcasm); Anything with lots of incoherent wankery and songs which are long for the sake of being long has suddenly become a good thing, nevermind how little content there is in the music.


Little content, where did you get your degree?

I don't even listen to it as much as others, but I don't need to be a scientist to realize how killer some of this **** is. Show respect to developed music you can't keep up with, sorry it's too challenging at times. ;)

[FrailConformity]

good explaining the diffrent genres my band plays black metal out site is www.frailconformity.tk
and u can hear my old band at www.purevolume.com/withouteyes :cool:

[Twilight]

I don't think this is the right thread to post about your band dude, this is only about metalgenres. And I haven't found any info about genres on your site.

I do not think evenescence is gothic rock at all
Good to hear that I'm not the only one who thinks this way...

[Steerpike]

good explaining the diffrent genres my band plays black metal out site is www.frailconformity.tk
and u can hear my old band at www.purevolume.com/withouteyes :cool:

Dude, do not plug your band in this thread. Read the rules.

[evilmenhavenosongs]

Do you think it would be overkill to define Darkwave and Coldwave? I'm not sure wether that goes in R&M or Other Music.

[CyBer_TraiTer]

Crossbreed - Industrial
Susperia - transgresive metal
Cradle of Filth - melodic metal
King Diamond - Black Metal
Avenged Sevenfold - Post Hardcore
Dope - Gunk
Godhead - Industial metal
Drowning Pool - (old)strait up meatl
White Zombie - industrial speed metal
Lifeliss - were Metal

[kornedbeef]

What about Alternative Metal, like Adema, Korn, Taproot or Linkin Park (They've been listed as nu-Metal, but they don't have the same sound)

[Kingofdudes]

What about Alternative Metal, like Adema, Korn, Taproot or Linkin Park (They've been listed as nu-Metal, but they don't have the same sound)

Korn started Numetal, all of those bands fall under it.

"Alternative Metal" = numetal

[kornedbeef]

Korn started Numetal, all of those bands fall under it.

"Alternative Metal" = numetal

korn didn't start nu-metal, they continued alt-metal, listen to nu-metal bands and then korn. Korn has a very different sound from the rest of the "nu-metal catigory, i say they're alt cause they combine so much music types, they put funk, grunge, emo, and metal all together, so it wouldn't really be nu-metal, especially since they have no dj

[Kingofdudes]

When people think numetal, 80% of the time they think Korn. Korn pretty much started the wave of numetal.

They got the downtuned guitar, the angst lyrics, the low level of musicianship, etc.

[kornedbeef]

When people think numetal, 80% of the time they think Korn. Korn pretty much started the wave of numetal.

They got the downtuned guitar, the angst lyrics, the low level of musicianship, etc.

I fon't agree, but whatever, nu-metal has 0 funk basslines, korn has 70% funk basslines, and if u say they have low-level musicianship i agre for the guitar, but the bagpipes, drums and bass aren't, and the guitar in their old stuff was really good, download the song James Brown by LAPD(korn from 88-92). maybe it's just me, but when I think nu-metal I think disturbed, and limp bizkit, but Adema def isn't nu-metal, cause half their music is soft, and they have really good guitar solos.

[Kingofdudes]

funk basslines? Its the sound of his strings scratching the fretboard. Wow if that is funk, someone call Les Claypool.

When most people think nu-metal, they think korn, limp bizket, SOAD, linkin park, etc.

[kornedbeef]

funk basslines? Its the sound of his strings scratching the fretboard. Wow if that is funk, someone call Les Claypool.

When most people think nu-metal, they think korn, limp bizket, SOAD, linkin park, etc.

listen to the songs pretty, hey daddy, good god, somebody someone, no way, trash, for you, right now, here it comes again, everything ive known, lets get this party started, im done, jesus, sean olson, got the life, freak on a leash, its on!, dead bodies everywhere(has the rattling that fieldies known for, but if u tune it normal it's funk, I haven't tried for any of the other songs yet), and beg for me

[schweinhunt]

Funk STILL has plenty of solos.

[kornedbeef]

Funk STILL has plenty of solos.

i agree, korn need mor solos like the old days when they were LAPD

[kornedbeef]

i think they have what 3 guitar solos and 1 bagpipe solo

[Twilight]

alternative metal != nu metal

And I don't think it's a good idea to make a f*cking genre for every single band, that's just lame.

[Kriz864]

bah.....I really don't like to classify metal very much at all. Considering I like all of the sub-genres listed, I simply call it all 'metal' and leave it at that. From my experiences, sub-genres tend to just get in the way and complicate things. Although, I'll use them once in a while to describe metal, but I never classify a certain band as a certain type of metal.

[Kingofdudes]

Yeah sub-genres sure get in the way.... :rolleyes:

[JonFai]

listen to the songs pretty, hey daddy, good god, somebody someone, no way, trash, for you, right now, here it comes again, everything ive known, lets get this party started, im done, jesus, sean olson, got the life, freak on a leash, its on!, dead bodies everywhere(has the rattling that fieldies known for, but if u tune it normal it's funk, I haven't tried for any of the other songs yet), and beg for me


Listen, pal, if you cant accept the fact that Korn is nu-metal (and crappy, at that), then you should stop writing on this forum. Everyone else who reads this forum has heard of bands like Therion and Opeth. I doubt you have, you 92.3 loving panzy. Go listen to your Korn and your Eminem and go bother people who care.

[Steerpike]

Listen, pal, if you cant accept the fact that Korn is nu-metal (and crappy, at that), then you should stop writing on this forum. Everyone else who reads this forum has heard of bands like Therion and Opeth. I doubt you have, you 92.3 loving panzy. Go listen to your Korn and your Eminem and go bother people who care.

Down boy.

I have no love for Korn either, but that kind of behavior will get you banned.

[kornedbeef]

i hate flamers

[Kingofdudes]

i hate flamers

Dont post in here anymore, you arent needed.

[Kriz864]

Listen, pal, if you cant accept the fact that Korn is nu-metal (and crappy, at that), then you should stop writing on this forum. Everyone else who reads this forum has heard of bands like Therion and Opeth. I doubt you have, you 92.3 loving panzy. Go listen to your Korn and your Eminem and go bother people who care.

I happen to be a HUGE fan of Therion, Opeth, AND Korn.

I (and 99% of all people I know and talk to) have always considered Korn metal.

[kornedbeef]

it's not 1998 anymore pal.

[Kingofdudes]

I happen to be a HUGE fan of Therion, Opeth, AND Korn.

I (and 99% of all people I know and talk to) have always considered Korn metal.

Even when Korn themselves say that they arent metal...

[Stoic]

^
and cof have said that they are not black metal but the fans still insist on it...

conclusion? - it's c00L to sAy tht U LiStEn tO *MeTaL*

[billybob]

All types of metal are crap anyway dude, start listening to bon jovi and bryan adams dudes, seriously

[bob the ripper apple.]

hahaha.... go away billy bob.... imo korn is pretty good.... so is eminem... makes me laugh... and so is OPETH... my fav band... to me.... metal is some what of an attitude.... i think korn is metal... because i get the same feeling from them as i do when i listen to.... god forbid or somethin.... korn is just as intense as god forbid... they just put their intensity across in a different way.

its allll good.

[kornedbeef]

nu-Metal isn't metal at all, It's just Hard Rock with a shiney sticker and elements of Alternative

[Kriz864]

Even when Korn themselves say that they arent metal...
well they sure as hell aren't jazz :p
^
conclusion? - it's c00L to sAy tht U LiStEn tO *MeTaL*
that's very true
4n iF u dnt say u HA+3 nu-MetAL, ur a pozur, 2
(well, at least on the ultimate-guitar.com forums, anyway :lol: )
i think korn is metal... because i get the same feeling from them as i do when i listen to.... god forbid or somethin.... korn is just as intense as god forbid... they just put their intensity across in a different way.

its allll good.
:chug: :chug:

[Kingofdudes]

^They sure as hell arent metal


God call them hard rock, call them whatever, but korn is not metal.

Metal is more than the attitude. It is also based off of the sound, riffage, scales it is based off of, etc.

Besides based off of that logic you could call Eminem metal....

[procreationb]

Music is not attitude, music is based off of sound. ::duh::
But I would put korn in nu-metal ::how do you say nu-metal isn't metal, when it says metal in it, you weren't the one who made the word so stop saying what it is and isn't::
( this is some of my opinions and some of it is just plain facts )

[Steerpike]

Music is not attitude, music is based off of sound. ::duh::

It is naive to think that heavy metal has not spawned an entire counterculture based around it.

And I think you need to do a little more studying on hte cultural influences of music throughout history. Attitude, social mores, whatever you want to call it, the beliefs of a time period greatly affect and are affected by the music of that era.

[Kingofdudes]

Music is not attitude, music is based off of sound. ::duh::
But I would put korn in nu-metal ::how do you say nu-metal isn't metal, when it says metal in it, you weren't the one who made the word so stop saying what it is and isn't::
( this is some of my opinions and some of it is just plain facts )

(And all of it is just plain retarded.)

Care to explain pop-punk? It isnt punk yet it has punk in its name.

I could name my cat "Dog". By you logic since the cat's name is "Dog" it is a dog.

[Paranoidd]

What would Darkthrone be considered?

[LegionsofMarduk]

Oh wow it's been a really long time since I ventured into this thread.

What would Darkthrone be considered?

They would be black metal.

[Paranoidd]

Seriously? Wow...

I guess I do like some black metal then...

[evilmenhavenosongs]

So, would stuff like darkwave ans coldwave go in the metal forum or the other music forum?

[Kriz864]

Metal is a combination of emotion and sound. Korn and Opeth both have dark and angry lyrics, and they both use heavy guitar distortion and drums, bass, etc. to get an aggressive sound.

For example, you couldn't call AC/DC metal, because their lyrics are enerally about love and sex, and their distortion isn't as heavy or aggressive as Korn and Opeth (even though Korn and Opeth have radically different distortion types themselves).

[Stoic]

^
Ahem...Can't you see other *slight* differences between Korn and Opeth?

[SickAmongstPure]

I can.

KoRn = Nu-metal garbage
Opeth = Amazing

[BuzzFreak]

Industrial Metal:
I've often heard industrial metal compared to techno, mainly because it has prevalent use of synthesizers as a major instrument. It takes cues from 80's industrial dance music that was popular in the club scene, and adds metal guitars to create an aggresive effect. Industrial metal is meant to create a very bleak atmoshpere. The lyrics are aggresive and very, very angst-ridden, and the angry atmoshpere is used to further the theme of social alienation. The genre was mainly underground until Nine Inch Nails broke through into the mainstream with the album Pretty Hate Machine.

Key bands: Ministry, Nine Inch Nails, Skinny Puppy, Fear Factory, Orgy, Godflesh, etc. etc.

Skinny Puppy is Industrial not Industrial Metal. Industrial Metal actually has guitars in just about every song.

Also I would classify Tool as Stoner Rock.

[procreationb]

(And all of it is just plain retarded.)

Care to explain pop-punk? It isnt punk yet it has punk in its name.

I could name my cat "Dog". By you logic since the cat's name is "Dog" it is a dog.


Pop-punk is basically saying it's wuss punk... And the artists that make the music are the ones who make the quote on quote "types of music". I don't see why you were so hostile though I was mostly agreeing with you.

[Kingofdudes]

sorry. I was pissed off due to lack of sleep, lack of food, and a big *** project I had to do in one day.

[ballsonfire]

and i thought i was the only trans who liked tool

[Kriz864]

I can.

KoRn = Nu-metal garbage
Opeth = Amazing

Korn = heavy, aggressive, emotional
Opeth = heavy, aggressive, emotional

heavy+aggressive+emotional = metal

And there you have it.

[Steerpike]

Korn = heavy, aggressive, emotional
Opeth = heavy, aggressive, emotional

heavy+aggressive+emotional = metal

And there you have it.

Oh really?

A Past and Future Secret is a very stirring acoustic ballad about the life and death of Arthur Pendragon. It was written by Power Metal band Blind Guardian.

Nightmare was a haunting acoustic piece with an electric guitar solo at the end written by European metal guitarrist Michael Schenker.

Rainbow in the Dark is one of Ronnie James Dio's best songs. It wasn't particularly heavy, but anyone who says Dio isn't metal is a fool.

To summarize, your theory is full of holes and stands on weak legs at best.

[Grey Incision]

How is korn considered metal? if thats the idea you've got, then linkin park are metal ffs. *BUZZ* **** NO! you get a bunch of 12 year old girls in a room and play some korn, they will most likely start nodding their heads and start saying it's good because they want to be hardcore like MTV, you put some Opeth,slayer, In flames and even bloody slipknot on, and they will start crying or getting scared or something. Metal generally has talent involved, korn = talentless IMO, just a bit of drop D and a 5 note riff. nu-metal, honestly, i don't even think nu-metal deserves to be called metal, i think it's crap, but once again, that's just my opinion. in short OPETH=****ING BRILLIANT AND METAL!!!! KORN=PRETTY CRAP NON METAL STUFF

[schweinhunt]

How is korn considered metal? if thats the idea you've got, then linkin park are metal ffs. *BUZZ* **** NO! you get a bunch of 12 year old girls in a room and play some korn, they will most likely start nodding their heads and start saying it's good because they want to be hardcore like MTV, you put some Opeth,slayer, In flames and even bloody slipknot on, and they will start crying or getting scared or something.
And...?`

I certainly would start crying if someone made me listen to In Flames or God Hates Us All, but if I had to sit through an entire Opeth album I would kill myself by swallowing my fist. Whereas I might barely make it alive through 1.5 Korn albums.

[Diatonic Dissonance™]

What about Power Metal?
Yeah, that's what I was wondering.

[Steerpike]

Yeah, that's what I was wondering.

If a genre is missing, fill in the gaps yourself. I already took care of Power Metal a few pages back. Here you go:

Power Metal

Power Metal was largely inspired by the works of Iron Maiden and Ronnie James Dio. Helloween is often given credit for defining the genre as we know it today. Power metal is often scorned and laughed at by outsiders due to the over-the-top lyrics and high fantasy imagery. The music itself is typically defined by a driving rhythm section, usually featuring a lot of double bass drumming, and a tight sense of melody, thus requiring a high degree of technical skill and musicianship. The vocalists tend to be very diverse and it is difficult to find unifying themes across the genre, though a singer with a very strong, epic-sounding voice is common. The lyrical content of power metal often has high fantasy or sword & sorcery themes. Many power metal bands are known for an over-the-top stage presence. A prime example of which is Manowar, who have on two separate occassions broken the records as "The World's Loudest Band."

Notable Bands: Hammerfall, Blind Guardian, Helloween, Manowar, Nightwish, Rhapsody, (arguably) Iced Earth, Dragonforce

[Otherside]

Skinny Puppy is Industrial not Industrial Metal. Industrial Metal actually has guitars in just about every song.

Also I would classify Tool as Stoner Rock.

Thou shalt not classify Tool.

[Kingofdudes]

It is really hard to classify Tool, ill just leave them at prog.

[procreationb]

It is really hard to classify Tool, ill just leave them at prog.

:: I'll go along with that ::

[metalmorphosis]

i am offering any north carolina metal/rock bands free promotional endorsements from my website. if you are intereste de-mail me at KirkJamesLarsCliffRobert@yahoo.com or ssjGokuden@msn.com,
or dumbarssegallo is my i.m. if needed, i have promotional contests and will give you your own sub-domain (*mini web-site*)

[Kriz864]

Oh really?

A Past and Future Secret is a very stirring acoustic ballad about the life and death of Arthur Pendragon. It was written by Power Metal band Blind Guardian.

Nightmare was a haunting acoustic piece with an electric guitar solo at the end written by European metal guitarrist Michael Schenker.

Rainbow in the Dark is one of Ronnie James Dio's best songs. It wasn't particularly heavy, but anyone who says Dio isn't metal is a fool.


"Anyone who says Dio isn't metal is a fool"......in your opinion. And it's my opinion that people who don't consider Korn to be metal are fools. It's not set in concrete - you can't prove me wrong in saying Korn is metal and I can't prove you wrong for saying they're not.

And I was only using Opeth as an example. Lamb of God and Iron Maiden are both heavy and aggressive, in the same way that Disturbed and Rammstein are. The differences are way too small (imo, of course) to call the first two "metal" and say they're great, and call the other two "nu" metal, and say they suck.

How is korn considered metal? if thats the idea you've got, then linkin park are metal ffs. *BUZZ* **** NO! you get a bunch of 12 year old girls in a room and play some korn, they will most likely start nodding their heads and start saying it's good because they want to be hardcore like MTV, you put some Opeth,slayer, In flames and even bloody slipknot on, and they will start crying or getting scared or something. Metal generally has talent involved, korn = talentless IMO, just a bit of drop D and a 5 note riff. nu-metal, honestly, i don't even think nu-metal deserves to be called metal, i think it's crap, but once again, that's just my opinion. in short OPETH=****ING BRILLIANT AND METAL!!!! KORN=PRETTY CRAP NON METAL STUFF
:lol: Utter load of bullshit. For starters, people of all ages like the band Korn, people only stereotype it for little kids when they want it to help their argument. My dad is 40 years old, he GREW UP with bands like AC/DC, Lynyrd Skynyrd, and Led Zeppelin (albeit, none of those bands are metal) and he's still a fan of Korn. If you say Korn is drop D and a 5 note riff, it makes people think you've never heard a Korn song in your entire life. Korn's music has so much more depth (excluding the lyrics but including the vocals), melody, and countermelody than Cannibal Corpse, for example, that comparing the two is laughable. And it's true that Johnathan Davis's lyrics aren't the most creative ever written, but it's the same way with just as many traditional metal bands as it is with modern metal like Korn.

Korn and Opeth are both brilliant and talented.

[Steerpike]

i am offering any north carolina metal/rock bands free promotional endorsements from my website. if you are intereste de-mail me at KirkJamesLarsCliffRobert@yahoo.com or ssjGokuden@msn.com,
or dumbarssegallo is my i.m. if needed, i have promotional contests and will give you your own sub-domain (*mini web-site*)

You're so banned. How ****ing stupid do you think we are?

"Anyone who says Dio isn't metal is a fool"......in your opinion. And it's my opinion that people who don't consider Korn to be metal are fools. It's not set in concrete - you can't prove me wrong in saying Korn is metal and I can't prove you wrong for saying they're not.

It's not Korn's metalness I'm debating. It's the fact that you're using a poor argument to defend your stance. The way you define metal is a gross over-simplification.

And I was only using Opeth as an example. Lamb of God and Iron Maiden are both heavy and aggressive, in the same way that Disturbed and Rammstein are. The differences are way too small (imo, of course) to call the first two "metal" and say they're great, and call the other two "nu" metal, and say they suck.

But that argument is irrelevant as well because only Disturbed is considered a band in the nu-metal movement. I don't what Lamb of God and Rammstein are considered, but Iron Maiden is NWOBHM.

If you take the time to read through this whole thread, you'll see that there are differences and they're certainly not "way too small" to be relevant in a discussion.

[kornedbeef]

Korn isn't hard... listen to Korn, Life Is Peachy, and Take A Look In The Mirror. Those are the hardest albums I own. It's not exactly metal, but it sure as h*ll isn't nu-Metal. Untouchables, that album is nu-Metal but it's good.

Linkin Park is not metal.

[kornedbeef]

Originally Posted by Grey Incision
How is korn considered metal? if thats the idea you've got, then linkin park are metal ffs. *BUZZ* **** NO! you get a bunch of 12 year old girls in a room and play some korn, they will most likely start nodding their heads and start saying it's good because they want to be hardcore like MTV, you put some Opeth,slayer, In flames and even bloody slipknot on, and they will start crying or getting scared or something. Metal generally has talent involved, korn = talentless IMO, just a bit of drop D and a 5 note riff. nu-metal, honestly, i don't even think nu-metal deserves to be called metal, i think it's crap, but once again, that's just my opinion. in short OPETH=****ING BRILLIANT AND METAL!!!! KORN=PRETTY CRAP NON METAL STUFF

yeah... ok then.. korn is pretty... WTF R U ON?, they don't have anything remotely pretty sounding. HAVE YOU EVER EVEN LISTENED TO KORN? THERE ISN'T A SINGLE PRETTY THING ABOUT THEIR MUSIC. Get 12 year old girls in the room and they'll like korn... ok boss. When I was in 6th grade I started listening to them. At my one friends B-Day party I put in Life Is Peachy, the one girl said "How can you listen to that evil satanist music,". Hardcore like MTV... are you kidding me. Name one thing hardcore about MTV they fukking banned the video for Right Now because it was "too hardcore"

[mp_666]

[QUOTE]:Yeah System of a Down is nu metal no matter how hard you try to say otherwise.
yeah that's right and deserve it the best...

[MaradonaVsElvis]

lol

[Steerpike]

yeah... ok then.. korn is pretty... WTF R U ON?, they don't have anything remotely pretty sounding.

I think you read that wrong. I think he was trying to say it as in "This music is pretty bad."

To further clarify, the way he said it, pretty = really.

[procreationb]

I'm not even going to fight it anymore, whatever you say man. Obviously their are some people out here that like korn and your amazing god of "opeth" too.

:: points to self ::

[Iai]

yeah... ok then.. korn is pretty... WTF R U ON?, they don't have anything remotely pretty sounding. HAVE YOU EVER EVEN LISTENED TO KORN? THERE ISN'T A SINGLE PRETTY THING ABOUT THEIR MUSIC. Get 12 year old girls in the room and they'll like korn... ok boss. When I was in 6th grade I started listening to them. At my one friends B-Day party I put in Life Is Peachy, the one girl said "How can you listen to that evil satanist music,". Hardcore like MTV... are you kidding me. Name one thing hardcore about MTV they fukking banned the video for Right Now because it was "too hardcore"

1) I know tons of 12-year-old girls who like Korn. They're on the same level as Sum 41 and Blink 182 here. Everyone either likes all three or hates all three. I don't know how old you are, but times have most likely changed considerably since you were in 6th grade. Mainstream music moves with incredible alacrity.

2) He didn't say pretty, he said pretty crap. Massive difference.

3) He used hardcore in a mocking way. "Korn fans want to be hardcore like MTV" - obviously he meant that MTV are putting out a retrograde view of hardcore and they're falling for it. Maybe he should have put !!!!!11111one!! at the end to clairfy that.

4) I've seen MTV play Right Now many times - both versions.

[Iai]

Korn = heavy, aggressive, emotional
Opeth = heavy, aggressive, emotional

heavy+aggressive+emotional = metal

And there you have it.

Nightwish. Not agressive at all, and on most songs not heavy. Still metal.

Anthrax. Never heard a single drop of emotion from them (I have 2 albums). Still metal.

Tricky. Heavy, agressive, emotional. Not metal.

Public Enemy. Heavy, agressive, emotional. Not metal.

Just but 4 reasons why your theory is flawed.

I appreciate that you like both Korn and Opeth, but I can't help but think that the fact that you like them is clouding your judgement. It can be tempting to view 'metal' as this holy grail, a mighty seal of approval upon a band. It's not - it's a way of describing a band. Same with people viewing nu-metal as a way of slagging a band off. It's not - Deftones and Dredg being two prime examples of good, sometimes great nu-metal bands.

Korn are nu-metal. That doesn't prevent them from being good.

I know I'm judging you and I shoudn't, but that's the impression I got.

If you're looking for a reason why Korn are not metal, then let me offer this - for me, the key ingredient in metal is escapism. With all metal, the goal is to help the listener escape their mundane lives and go somewhere else. Even if it's a subconscious thing with the band making the music, it's still there. It's the very spirit of metal. Be it fantasy-based lyrics to take you to a different world, unbridled agression to make you thrash the pain away, outrageously complex guitar lines to make you dream of being able to play them, or just embracing the rock'n'roll lifestyle to make the listener think of how great it would be to be in a band and have millions of fans.

Korn, on the other hand, are not escapist in the least bit. They are incredibly grounded in reality - nobody wants to escape their own life and live in a world where you get raped by neighbours, bullied for liking Duran Duran, and never get laid, do they?!? The purpose Korn serve is to let the listener wallow in their pain, and appreciate a kind of beauty in suffering, and indulge thier fascinations in watching someone break down. I'm not saying Korn are particularly good at this, but that's what nu-metal does. That's not a bad thing - grunge does it too, and grunge is nowhere near as scorned. The only escapism in nu-metal is when a band sings about beating up and surpressing those who opress you - which will not only conjue up images from your own life, but will remind you you're being oppressed in the first place, so it's not really escapist.

[TruthIsATrainWreck]

Whoever said "Thou shalt not classify Tool," is **** right. Can't classify it. Oh...Just because little girls like Korn doesn't deprive them of the respect they deserve. And whoever that person was that said they would cry while listening to In Flames...Rather sad. I guess everyone is losing their touch with what is good music nowadays, eh?

[evilmenhavenosongs]

Iai, I never thought about that before but now I think about it you're right. However, I don't think all escapist music is metal that's just one of the defining characteristics of metal.

Lets see how that guy responds to your post then. :p

[Steerpike]

Lets see how that guy responds to your post then. :p

If he responds. Iai made a **** good argument. Even if I wanted to, I'm not sure I could argue against that.

Really, the only people you can't win against are fools, and I'd like to be optimistic and believe this guy isn't one.

[Iai]

Iai, I never thought about that before but now I think about it you're right. However, I don't think all escapist music is metal that's just one of the defining characteristics of metal.

Good point. Should have mentioned that.

If he responds. Iai made a **** good argument. Even if I wanted to, I'm not sure I could argue against that.

Really, the only people you can't win against are fools, and I'd like to be optimistic and believe this guy isn't one.

Thank you. :) I don't think he's a fool either. It's just easy to get caught up in thinking 'metal' is necessarily good, and 'nu-metal' is necessarily bad, when that's not true. Tons of people do it and they're not all fools.

[evilmenhavenosongs]

If he responds. Iai made a **** good argument. Even if I wanted to, I'm not sure I could argue against that.

Really, the only people you can't win against are fools, and I'd like to be optimistic and believe this guy isn't one.


Steerpike was the best character in that book, he even had a pet monkey :thumb:

Sometimes I like to argue against fools but ultimately it just gets you frustrated. People need to be more open minded and actually listen to each other. Opinions are all well and good but somethings are fact and you can't argue against them.


EDIT: Also, no one has answered my question yet; is darkwave and coldwave etc. to go in the R&M forum or the other forum?

[kornedbeef]

1) I know tons of 12-year-old girls who like Korn. They're on the same level as Sum 41 and Blink 182 here. Everyone either likes all three or hates all three. I don't know how old you are, but times have most likely changed considerably since you were in 6th grade. Mainstream music moves with incredible alacrity.

2) He didn't say pretty, he said pretty crap. Massive difference.

3) He used hardcore in a mocking way. "Korn fans want to be hardcore like MTV" - obviously he meant that MTV are putting out a retrograde view of hardcore and they're falling for it. Maybe he should have put !!!!!11111one!! at the end to clairfy that.

4) I've seen MTV play Right Now many times - both versions.

he called it "that pretty crap" and right now got banned, it used to play on mtv but some gay group was talking about how that shouldnt be on tv, and they got it banned.

plus if u say korn is "mtv hardcore" and "on the level of sum 41" you are full of ****, korn was popular with mtv in 1998 and 1999 that was 5 years ago. so shut the hell up.

[kornedbeef]

anyway im tired of arguing. so if you want keep saying **** that doesnt make sense.

[evilmenhavenosongs]

Iai's post definately made a lot of sense to me.

[Iai]

he called it "that pretty crap" and right now got banned, it used to play on mtv but some gay group was talking about how that shouldnt be on tv, and they got it banned.

plus if u say korn is "mtv hardcore" and "on the level of sum 41" you are full of ****, korn was popular with mtv in 1998 and 1999 that was 5 years ago. so shut the hell up.

I can't be bothered to check the original post, but if he called it 'that pretty crap', it was an obvious spelling error everybody should have been able to see through.

Right Now still gets played here, as do at least 4 other Korn videos (Blind, Freak On A Leash, ADIDAS, Here To Stay). Note that I say HERE - I don't live in America, and am not subject to the blanket censorship you are.

I justified why I said Korn were on the level of Sum 41, and it wasn't a comment on their music at all. All you've done is take it out of context and tried to use it against me. I reckon there's probably 3 people, maximum, on these boards who won't see through that.

Edit #2 - Spoke too soon. Sorry.

Edit: To evilmenhavenosongs - if you want to make a thread, I'd put it in both. There's no rules against that, and that way you'll reach more people. People in both forums will say it shouldn't be there, but what can you do?

[kornedbeef]

Nightwish. Not agressive at all, and on most songs not heavy. Still metal.

Anthrax. Never heard a single drop of emotion from them (I have 2 albums). Still metal.

Tricky. Heavy, agressive, emotional. Not metal.

Public Enemy. Heavy, agressive, emotional. Not metal.

Just but 4 reasons why your theory is flawed.

I appreciate that you like both Korn and Opeth, but I can't help but think that the fact that you like them is clouding your judgement. It can be tempting to view 'metal' as this holy grail, a mighty seal of approval upon a band. It's not - it's a way of describing a band. Same with people viewing nu-metal as a way of slagging a band off. It's not - Deftones and Dredg being two prime examples of good, sometimes great nu-metal bands.

Korn are nu-metal. That doesn't prevent them from being good.

I know I'm judging you and I shoudn't, but that's the impression I got.

If you're looking for a reason why Korn are not metal, then let me offer this - for me, the key ingredient in metal is escapism. With all metal, the goal is to help the listener escape their mundane lives and go somewhere else. Even if it's a subconscious thing with the band making the music, it's still there. It's the very spirit of metal. Be it fantasy-based lyrics to take you to a different world, unbridled agression to make you thrash the pain away, outrageously complex guitar lines to make you dream of being able to play them, or just embracing the rock'n'roll lifestyle to make the listener think of how great it would be to be in a band and have millions of fans.

Korn, on the other hand, are not escapist in the least bit. They are incredibly grounded in reality - nobody wants to escape their own life and live in a world where you get raped by neighbours, bullied for liking Duran Duran, and never get laid, do they?!? The purpose Korn serve is to let the listener wallow in their pain, and appreciate a kind of beauty in suffering, and indulge thier fascinations in watching someone break down. I'm not saying Korn are particularly good at this, but that's what nu-metal does. That's not a bad thing - grunge does it too, and grunge is nowhere near as scorned. The only escapism in nu-metal is when a band sings about beating up and surpressing those who opress you - which will not only conjue up images from your own life, but will remind you you're being oppressed in the first place, so it's not really escapist.

**** thats so true... couldn't put it better myself

[Steerpike]

Steerpike was the best character in that book, he even had a pet monkey :thumb:

He's my rolemodel. :evil:

he called it "that pretty crap"

No, he called it "pretty crap," as in "really sucks." Read the post again.

and right now got banned, it used to play on mtv but some gay group was talking about how that shouldnt be on tv, and they got it banned.

I was not aware that homosexuals had an innate hatred to heavy metal videos.

If you use "gay" as a negative one more time, I will track you down and smack the living crap out of you. I am sick to death of hearing that, and I will not put up with it.

plus if u say korn is "mtv hardcore" and "on the level of sum 41" you are full of ****, korn was popular with mtv in 1998 and 1999 that was 5 years ago. so shut the hell up.

If you have to use profanity and be rude, then you cannot defend your argument. If you could defend yourself, you wouldn't have to say things like "shut the hell up."

Try it.

anyway im tired of arguing. so if you want keep saying **** that doesnt make sense.

Okay, now you're just being a baby.