The different genres of metal

[extreme_191]

Bartender, I only found Gordian Knot, and Spastic Ink-Ink Compatiable. I believe that's the second CD from Spastic Ink. Where should I be lookin?

[Bartender]

On www.lasercd.com?

Search for Ink Complete in the store section, it's there. I just bought Focus from there a month ago, so it should have it..but looking now I can't find it :-/ I think it's also available on www.willowtip.com for $12.

[Phil Anselmo]

lets see...you forgot industrial, gothic, symphonic, electronic, and Folk/Viking. i dont really care though, cause im not a big fan of any of those genres. Who is?? people often ask me, whats the difference between Gothic and Doom? Well the people in Gothic look better, are dressed better, and are the biggest posers ever. Just look at Tiamat and Lacuna Coil. Not metal, they;re fake metal.

[Kingofdudes]

lets see...you forgot industrial, gothic, symphonic, electronic, and Folk/Viking. i dont really care though, cause im not a big fan of any of those genres. Who is?? people often ask me, whats the difference between Gothic and Doom? Well the people in Gothic look better, are dressed better, and are the biggest posers ever. Just look at Tiamat and Lacuna Coil. Not metal, they;re fake metal.

wow you are an idiot, between this and your post in the republican band threads I could guess you got a good 1/2 a brain cell, welcome to the forums :wave:

[iamtweek]

Just look at Tiamat and Lacuna Coil. Not metal, they're fake metal. I dont know much about Tiamat but I know Lacuna Coil is considered "Goth Metal", but I've heard a few goth metal bands, and considering everything, they're ****ing numetal. Goth Metal is just the new, "cool" name for numetal because too many ****ty bands have been falsely acused of numetal. NuMetal and Hardcore seem to be the two genres that NO ONE can seem to exactly pin down. Linkin Park was deemed NuMetal by Spin Magazine, you know, the magazine who said The Hives are the greatest live band on earth and have about as much cred in the music world as my cat's liter box. Mudvayne, Slipknot and similar bands have been deemed NuMetal when they're really just metal, since they sound nothing like any other kind of genre. Althought Mudvayne is considered by many (and stupidly so) as Math Metal (which is a genre created by ****ing idiots who want to give metal just ANOTHER reason to want to die) its really just metal. Lacuna Coil is numetal, because Evanescence is numetal and considering the guitar riffs, the almost nonexistant bass, drumming as boring as math class, and lyrics as trite as bad R&B songs, both bands ARE the same. There I said it.

[iamtweek]

As much as I know, Doom metal is kinda just really heavy riffing. If you have Lamb of God's "As The Palaces Burn" album, listen to that last song, titled "Vigil", that Slayer sounding riff is, what I know as, Doom Metal...the tab is

E tuned to D) 0 0 8 3 7 2 6 1 5 1 0

Thats what I have come to know as Doom metal, riffing like that.

[nightG]

I prefer classic metal (Deep Purple, Uriah Heep etc), heavy metal (Iron Maiden, Judas Priest), glam metal (Motley Crue, Guns 'n' Roses etc.) and death metal (Slayer, Sentenced etc.)

[lilpete86]

As much as I know, Doom metal is kinda just really heavy riffing. If you have Lamb of God's "As The Palaces Burn" album, listen to that last song, titled "Vigil", that Slayer sounding riff is, what I know as, Doom Metal...the tab is

E tuned to D) 0 0 8 3 7 2 6 1 5 1 0

Thats what I have come to know as Doom metal, riffing like that.


That isn't doom numbnuts

[Jondur]

As much as I know, Doom metal is kinda just really heavy riffing. If you have Lamb of God's "As The Palaces Burn" album, listen to that last song, titled "Vigil", that Slayer sounding riff is, what I know as, Doom Metal...the tab is

E tuned to D) 0 0 8 3 7 2 6 1 5 1 0

Thats what I have come to know as Doom metal, riffing like that.

Are you just trying to annoy me?

Listen to:

Candlemass
St Vitus
Trouble
Revelation
Solitude Aeturnus

Then come back having found out what doom metal really is.

[RivFader]

don't forget Paradise Lost,Soulside Journey by Darkthrone and some songs of Pan.Thy.Monium

[itsPLaNK]

Hey, it's good how you had the time to do that. That is really cool, and it has also enlightened me on "doom metal" I have never heard of it, well i probably have, but didnt realize it was doom metal.
Can anyone tell me any more bands that play doom metal, cos it seems like a good genre? :smoke:

[lilpete86]

Check this thread out http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207187

[Jondur]

don't forget Paradise Lost,Soulside Journey by Darkthrone and some songs of Pan.Thy.Monium

for what? Examples of death metal? Cos it certainly ain't doom.

[cheesepuff]

I agree that Slipknot and Mudvayne are Nü-Metal (even though Mudvayne unlike most other Nü-Metal bands is actually quite talented and good) But Linkin Park I consider a ****ty rock band and System of a Down has more of a punk influence than a metal one. And surprisingly Papa Roach's latest single doesn't suck too bad, then again, I didn't recognize it to be Papa Roach at first either :rolleyes:

[guitarplayinfoo]

well said

[mattlikesmetal]

As much as I know, Doom metal is kinda just really heavy riffing. If you have Lamb of God's "As The Palaces Burn" album, listen to that last song, titled "Vigil", that Slayer sounding riff is, what I know as, Doom Metal...the tab is

E tuned to D) 0 0 8 3 7 2 6 1 5 1 0

Thats what I have come to know as Doom metal, riffing like that.
doom metal is heavy riffs played at a very slow speed

[RivFader]

Jondur, Soulside Journey IS doom/black metal and the old albums of Paradise Lost are doom metal.and i'm sure you don't know anything about Pan.Thy.Monium which are not so popular in the world but they do have some songs that are doom metal even though they play Progressive Death Metal

[lilpete86]

Don't argue with jondur about doom, you will lose

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

Don't argue with jondur about doom, you will lose

123 x3492745

[RivFader]

well, i'm pretty sure that jondur is wrong about Soulside Journey and old Paradise Lost.

[Ve Das]

Just popped in here and decided to say something:

Soulside Journey is oldschool death metal.
Pan.Thy.Monium,if you mean the side project of the Edge Of Sanity guy,is death metal from what I´ve heard(which,granted,is only a demo tape)

[RachellRaven]

Thanx Legions. That helped me a lot. I suppose im just an all round metal head. apart from power metal. I hate it! Rachell xx

[RachellRaven]

so what is Lacuna Coil Classed as? NuMetal? Or 'goth' metal?

[lilpete86]

Gothic metal

[RivFader]

nop u're wrong, pan.thy.monium is not a side project, they a few cd's and were progressive death metal.let's close the subject.thank u

[Donnie Darko]

All I can say to that is - "NOCTURNO CULTO..!"

[Bartender]

nop u're wrong, pan.thy.monium is not a side project, they a few cd's and were progressive death metal.let's close the subject.thank u

Dan Swano of Edge of Sanity is in Pan.Thy.Monium, and in any case, they don't play doom.

[meedooli]

ohh my god a warm coming now

[Jondur]

well, i'm pretty sure that jondur is wrong about Soulside Journey and old Paradise Lost.

No he's not. Soulside Journey = swedish style death metal ( a la Entombed, Grave etc), Old Paradise Lost = slow death metal. Even Gothic wasn't much removed from mid-paced UK death metal just with some female vocals and strings. Only on Shades of God even touched on doom.

Doom is NOT slowed down death metal. It is not female vocals and some keyboards. Death grunts have no real place in doom. Doom is about Sabbath turned up to 11, Count Raven and Witchfinder General with major attitude. Listen to the bands I mentioned in the first place and then you'll know what doom is.

[downstroy]

****, this topic is ****ing kickass, good work ;) I would add Sepulutra in the Thrash category (the one from Morbid Visions/Bestial Devastation up to Arise)

[Black-Bass]

what about Sevendust? what would you put them under?

[nirvanasucks28]

I Dont **** Around With The Different Genres. If I Like The Song, Who Cares What Genre Its In.

[Bartender]

I do. There you go.

[Donnie Darko]

I Dont **** Around With The Different Genres. If I Like The Song, Who Cares What Genre Its In.

Why Are You Writing Like That, May I Ask?

[Kingofdudes]

Why Are You Writing Like That, May I Ask?

He tried to make every word in caps and the forum changed it so only the first letters were capitalised(sp?)

[Bartender]

Maybe he idolizes DBJ. He hasn't got it right though; not random enough.

[DKMode]

thanks alot. i always wanted to know that. i was always offended when i heard black or death metal cuz i thought it was all about bashing god, but now i can listen to it musically and not be as offended. i know some bands like deicide and gorgoroth are extremely satanic but **** em i dont have to listen to them

[Bartender]

I honestly can't see why, if you like the music, you would avoid the band just for their views anyway. But that's just me, I know there are people who do that.

[DKMode]

i would never support a group of people that are against my beliefs and my god. thats why. im not saying i like black or death metal, but as a drummer, i really like the blastbeats, but i could never focus on that with the growls and satanic views right in my face. when i have been brought up to believe in everything that is good, and some band comes out with a song like **** your god or kill the christian, i get offended. only reason why im not inspired by those drummers.

[Stoic]

Not all black and death metal are like this. Look for it. However its a shame to lose all the good music because of this. Keep in mind that it's just an immature way to "shock"

[lilpete86]

I listen to bands that go against my beliefs, their beliefs don't really bother me its all about the music for me.

Thats why I listen to bands like dub buk and arghoslent because I enjoy the music not that I agree with what they talk about.

[InChains]

Well its nice that you've completely pidgeon holed any metal artist into a genre, by a paragraph definition of the bands, they gotta love that.

Who cares what genre, or who they "worship" and their "beliefs" , you cant say "well these people bands are this genre...they typically worship satan and sometimes kill minorities" how do you know all this? just from listening?

[InChains]

im telling you right now bands hate being put into a genre, its like a border that throughout their career they must stay in. all those genres are stupid anyway, they dont mean anything, if you like the music, that all that matters.

[Bartender]

Was there any point in splitting that across two posts? Genres are useful - this isn't a case of pigeonholing every band, it's a way to describe music to people that you think might be interested. And since when is it "a border that they must stay in"?

[RockStar34C]

how about Love Metal? that in here anywhere? apparently that's what HIM classify themselves as.
whatever metal is metal is metal is metal

[Kingofdudes]

how about Love Metal? that in here anywhere? apparently that's what HIM classify themselves as.
whatever metal is metal is metal is metal

love metal is something they made up, and its not much of a genre since they are the only ones in it.

[Stoic]

^
****ty whining "metal"

[rh15951]

Great List, But:

I think there should be definitions for the "cores". Hardcore, Metalcore etc.

I think, and many people will agree with me, that Nu-Metal should be called something else. I like Crossover. And System of a Down shouldn't be on that list. Not by a long shot. People only call them Nu-Metal because they came out the same time as all those other bands. Except for the down-tuned guitars they don't fit into that group.


I agree, System Of A Down is most definitely not nu-metal. They need their own category of metal, since no other band can possibly equal them.

[Stoic]

^
why has this category to be metal? They are alternative with pseudo metal elements like all nu "metal" groups.

[Kingofdudes]

I agree, System Of A Down is most definitely not nu-metal. They need their own category of metal, since no other band can possibly equal them.

nu-metal, deal with it, I do.

[DKMode]

Well its nice that you've completely pidgeon holed any metal artist into a genre, by a paragraph definition of the bands, they gotta love that.

Who cares what genre, or who they "worship" and their "beliefs" , you cant say "well these people bands are this genre...they typically worship satan and sometimes kill minorities" how do you know all this? just from listening?
im not saying everyone in these genres is a satanist or racist. but the ones that are offend me. some bands are very open about there beliefs of satan which makes me want to avoid them. its just my opinion

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

when i have been brought up to believe in everything that is good,

Well, I ask you this, why not think about someone elses beliefs. Just because you were brought up one way, doesn't mean they are correct, you know.

[DKMode]

Well, I ask you this, why not think about someone elses beliefs. Just because you were brought up one way, doesn't mean they are correct, you know.
i understand that totally. if i were preaching the bible to them, i wouldnt expect them to listen or care. just like i dont listen when they talk about satan. im not saying my beliefs are the only ones, but there mine and all that i understand, so im going to listen to stuff that deals with the same stuff. its not like i listen to christian rock, but nothing that idolizes satan certainly.

[timesignature]

MetalCore:

a subgenre of hardcore (the most brutal from of punk), vocals are screamed and music is fast and simple. Usually very Metal-ish riffs and breakdowns sometimes containing pinch harmonics, with the structure of hardcore songs. Bands include Atreyu, early Avenged Sevenfold, from autumn to ashes, Poison the well.

ok, so what's the dillinger escape plan??? ive always thought of them as Metal Core but by that definition they are definetly not...

in most of their songs, the vocals are screamed but there is certainly melody by Mike Patton in the Irony is a Dead Scene EP, and the newest, Miss Machine with new vocalist Greg Puciato.

and i dare you to say that theyre music is simple... its pretty much anything but if you've ever listened to their bassist, and even their guitarist.

they also have been said to be "Math Metal" because of their difficult riffs and insane play/stop timing which is close to impossible to immitate.

[Kingofdudes]

ok, so what's the dillinger escape plan??? ive always thought of them as Metal Core but by that definition they are definetly not...

in most of their songs, the vocals are screamed but there is certainly melody by Mike Patton in the Irony is a Dead Scene EP, and the newest, Miss Machine with new vocalist Greg Puciato.

and i dare you to say that theyre music is simple... its pretty much anything but if you've ever listened to their bassist, and even their guitarist.

Ive heard them called math metal and/or Grindcore

[timesignature]

I agree, System Of A Down is most definitely not nu-metal. They need their own category of metal, since no other band can possibly equal them.

sorry for double post....

System of a Down is very original but it is also DEFINETLY nu-metal. and i would certainly have to disagree with you when you say "since no other band can possible equal them."

[timesignature]

Ive heard them called math metal and/or Grindcore

indeed, math metal... but is that their own category? if not, then who else possibly fits it... ?

[Bartender]

Converge, Botch, maybe Keelhaul.

[Kingofdudes]

indeed, math metal... but is that their own category? if not, then who else possibly fits it... ?

math metal are bands that have alot of hectic changes in time signature(ironic huh?)Im sure Meshuggah applies to this genre, that about all i know :thumb:

[timesignature]

math metal are bands that have alot of hectic changes in time signature(ironic huh?)Im sure Meshuggah applies to this genre, that about all i know :thumb:

i know what math metal is but i dont see anyone who fits it as well....

converge and botch, i can see. but not keelhaul... maybe nora? nah.

[Bartender]

I haven't actually heard Keelhaul, I've just heard plenty of comparisons between them and Botch. I didn't think so, but apparently Mudvayne and Meshuggah are counted as math metal as well.

[timesignature]

I haven't actually heard Keelhaul, I've just heard plenty of comparisons between them and Botch. I didn't think so, but apparently Mudvayne and Meshuggah are counted as math metal as well.

there isnt a chance that Mudvayne is in the same category as dillinger, converge, and botch.

[Bartender]

Like I say, I thought not, but apparently their time sig changes are frantic enough to be classed as math metal.

Speaking of Botch, I've only heard An Anthology of Dead Ends..if you don't mind, which of their full lengths should I get first?

[timesignature]

we are the romans.



if you dont mind, please tell me a Mudvayne song that has a difficult time signature? i seriously want to know...... when i think of mudvayne i think of a less lame puddle of mudd.

[timesignature]

ok, i just listened to "Death Blooms" By Mudvayne... i must say it was horrible.... i didnt hear any start/stop time sig. and the vocals reminded me of Linkin Park... and at the end of the song he faded out spewing this bull**** Goth type nonsense... it seemed like a step above lame, and about 250 steps below Math Metal.'




EDIT: A sub-sub-genre of Math Metal has been cited by some, including a member of Mudvayne. Mudvayne is a Peoria, Illinois, USA based Math Metal quartet strongly influnced by funk stylings and jazz song structures. They have become relatively well known for their previous incarnations which involved elaborate stage makeup and pseudonyms.


definetly not... i didnt hear any funk or jazz structure.
and who the **** cares about there stage makeup and pseudonyms.

[Bartender]

we are the romans.



if you dont mind, please tell me a Mudvayne song that has a difficult time signature? i seriously want to know...... when i think of mudvayne i think of a less lame puddle of mudd.

Thanks. And sorry, I couldn't have recommended you a song by them; I don't listen to them. Heard a couple of tracks and thought they were crap, so I didn't bother going any further. You'd have to wait for someone who actually thinks they are math metal.

[timesignature]

ok, i understand... i was confused for a second there....


Botch did a rendition of the Opera song O' Fortuna, which you should definetly check out..

[Bartender]

Is that on one of the albums, or just something else completely?

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

Math metal is a cack term in my opinion.

[Bartender]

Yeah, I don't like it either.

[Deathless One]

Math Metal? wtf...

[Donnie Darko]

I dont know what all those satanic dudes are trying to do - writing lyrics and poetry promoting satan and what not, because when they arrive in hell, the old Dark Lord is gonna have their ***.

[National chaos sam]

should mix metal with banjos!! lol!!

[MC5]

Can we get definitions for Alternative Metal, Grindcore and Avant-Garde Metal??

Grindcore is pretty much death metal except it can be super fast or slow,and it is more political.Napalm Death,Bolt Thrower,and Brutal Truth are pretty good Grindcore bands.

[MC5]

Grind is all about speed, agression, complex or unusual song structures. In general, the riffs are short but of advanced technicality, the songs are very dynamic (changing pace about every 20 seconds), the drumming is very fast, and the screaming is just normal "scream your lungs off" stuff.

A "true" grind song probably doesn't go over three minutes. The shortest grind song I've heard was 5 seconds long, and there are many in the range of 30, 20, or 10 seconds. Typically, however, a grind song is about a minute and a half long.

There is probably no such thing as a "melodic grind" song, since grind emphasizes brutality, speed, and chaos.

Key groups: early Carcass, Pig Destroyer, Repulsion, early Death, Napalm Death, Burnt By The Sun (very nice live, I had the honor of witnessing), etc.

A more potent subsidary to Grind is Noise. Noise groups typically use drum machines at extreme speeds, they don't sing but rather bark or gurgle, they tend to utilize a lot of samples in their songs (wether it be an integral part or an intro/outro), and in general play as loud and fast as they can.

Groups include: The Berzerker, ****... I'm Dead, Lucifer D. Larynx and the Satanic Grind Dogs of Death, Mortician, Abandoned Grave, Ab-Norm, etc.

Napalm Death and most of the other Grindcore bands I have heard arn't intracate,can you give me an intricate on to listen to?.And Napalm Death's CD Scum had "You Suffer" and it is around 1 second long.

[Phil Anselmo]

oh im such an idiot because king of dudes said i was without showing any proof...now whos the hypocrite?

[PunkGuitarist]

idk if sum1 posted this becuz i didnt bother to read thru 34 pages, butwhat are the locust and the number 12 looks like you considered

[lilpete86]

Grindcore is pretty much death metal except it can be super fast or slow,and it is more political.Napalm Death,Bolt Thrower,and Brutal Truth are pretty good Grindcore bands.

Grindcore doesn't tend to be slow and there's alittle bit more to it than sped up death metal.

[lilpete86]

idk if sum1 posted this becuz i didnt bother to read thru 34 pages, butwhat are the locust and the number 12 looks like you considered



Please say that again but this time coherently. :)

[PunkGuitarist]

lol sry
What genre would the bands the Locust and the Number 12 looks like you be considered?

[Phil Anselmo]

you forgot gothic, electronic, avante garde, atmospheric, technical, viking, folk,

[Silenius]

Viking is Death Metal with well, Viking lyrics. Check out Amon Amarth for good Viking Metal.

[Silenius]

Atmospheric is usually symphonic unless im much mistaken stuff like CoF and Emperor.

Folk is stuff like Wintersun and Finntroll.

[The pet beaver on bass]

this thread is the sh!t and helped alot, i think now my favorite genre of metal is that wierd symphonic black metal or whatever like lacunacoil and nightwish.

[lilpete86]

Viking is Death Metal with well, Viking lyrics. Check out Amon Amarth for good Viking Metal.


Viking metal doesn't just mean death metal, enslaved are viking metal and their black metal.

[Bartender]

Yeah, "viking metal" tends to be called that entirely on the strength of the lyrics.

[PunkGuitarist]

Is anyone going to answer my question?

[Bartender]

Sorry. The Locust are grindcore, I think. Don't know about the other one.

[PunkGuitarist]

lol thank you

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

this thread is the sh!t and helped alot, i think now my favorite genre of metal is that wierd symphonic black metal or whatever like lacunacoil and nightwish.

Lacuna Coil and Nightwish are not symphonic black metal.

[The pet beaver on bass]

Lacuna Coil and Nightwish are not symphonic black metal.

someone said they were now this thread is confusing me, then what would they be and what are some more bands like them?

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

someone said they were now this thread is confusing me, then what would they be and what are some more bands like them?

Lacuna Coil is gothic metal while Nightwish is just plain symphonic metal, there is a difference.

For a good example of Symphonic black metal check out this songs/bands...

Arcturus - Fall of Man
Emperor - The loss and Curse of Reverence
Blood Stained Dusk - Funeral Lamentation
Dimmu Borgir - Progenies of the Great Apocalypse (As much as i hate to recomend it)

[The pet beaver on bass]

Lacuna Coil is gothic metal while Nightwish is just plain symphonic metal, there is a difference.

For a good example of Symphonic black metal check out this songs/bands...

Arcturus - Fall of Man
Emperor - The loss and Curse of Reverence
Blood Stained Dusk - Funeral Lamentation
Dimmu Borgir - Progenies of the Great Apocalypse (As much as i hate to recomend it)

:thumb: thanks man, ill stay on the straight and narrow from now on

ps what are some gothic metal bands then (i know someones must have posted it earlier but i dont feel like reading 34 pages)

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

ps what are some gothic metal bands then (i know someones must have posted it earlier but i dont feel like reading 34 pages)

I wouldn't be able to tell you many gothic metal bands past Lacuna Coil, that's not really my genre of music.

[The pet beaver on bass]

would my dying bride be considered goth metal?

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

would my dying bride be considered goth metal?

Nope, they are doom metal.

[Bartender]

Very gothic though.

[The pet beaver on bass]

i learned something today as i took a step out of the punk forum

[Harding555]

What about grindcore?

[Kingofdudes]

the search feature does wonders

Grindcore:

As it's name suggests, grindcore is an extension of the UK hardcore scene of the early 80's. It's roots lie mainly with Discharge but also Chaos UK, Crass, The Exploited etc. Songs are predominantly short (taken to the extreme by the likes of Napalm Death - Dead is 6 seconds long - and Sore Throat who had 101 songs on Never Mind the Napalm.... here's Sore Throat), with punk structures. The music is simple, based around a few chords. It is , most importantly, fast. Very fast. It was grindcore that had the first blast beats (It was Pete Sandoval who introduced them to Death Metal when he left Terrorizer to join Morbid Angel). Lyrics are usually socio-political. Sometimes with a vegan or straight-edge slant.

Important bands include: Terrorizer, Napalm Death, Brutal Truth, Extreme Noise Terror, Bolt Thrower, Sore Throat, Old Lady Drivers, A$$uck, Nausea, Black Army Jacket, CSSO.

Goregrind is a subgenre that keeps the punky structure of Grindcore but adds more of a death metal influence. Lyrics are always about gorey killing etc.

See: Carcass, Repulsion, Agoraphobic Nosebleed etc

[Phil Anselmo]

What about folk/viking, atmostpheric, avante-garde, electronic, technical, gothic, metal core, sludge, NWOBHM, hardcore, neoclassical, ambient, groove, stoner, brutal, post thrash, and industrial?

You either fortgot them, or they're too specific.

Also, what's the difference between speed and thrash?

www.metal-archives.com makes you think there is a difference.

[Bartender]

Do you not think that in 850+ posts of this thread, the vast majority of those haven't already been tackled?

And anyway, it was said in the first post of the thread that it's a basic guide, not an exhaustive one.

[Phil Anselmo]

Yes, I was just making sure that the integral purpose of the resounding effect, demonstrates a comprehension of inexorability, forthcoming from the primeval resolution, leading one to belevie that the purpose of the action of being, is the doing, or making. Anotherwords, one will suspect that cause is redundant, causing simplistic events to occur, even in the most mundane scenarios. Thus creating an equilibrium among understanding and cause, but not contradicting the common instrumentation, i.e. the insinuation of random events, chosen at a leven of subconsiousness, creating fluxuations of even the most random events.
Factors
1.The purpose of the insinuation was to creat a balance between the existing contradictions, and the events that caused the inbalance in the first place.
2.The random events outside of the ocurances, exponentially increase with the mundance events happening inside the plane of existence.
3.The occurances will inexoraby come to pass onto the plane, rather than off of it.
4.Denial of the primeval repellant will be impossible; it would eradicate the pupose of the integral insinuation in the first place.
5.Randoms event can be, but only within the confines of reality, creating a neutral existence of inexistence , simultaneously balancing the scale of events.
6.Generally, one would strive to think existence can only be, and it is imossible for inexistence to be, which cloaks the illusion of reality, and impossibiltiy.

Well I hope this helped you to understand why I said what I said.

[Kingofdudes]

Yes, I was just making sure that the integral purpose of the resounding effect, demonstrates a comprehension of inexorability, forthcoming from the primeval resolution, leading one to belevie that the purpose of the action of being, is the doing, or making. Anotherwords, one will suspect that cause is redundant, causing simplistic events to occur, even in the most mundane scenarios. Thus creating an equilibrium among understanding and cause, but not contradicting the common instrumentation, i.e. the insinuation of random events, chosen at a leven of subconsiousness, creating fluxuations of even the most random events.
Factors
1.The purpose of the insinuation was to creat a balance between the existing contradictions, and the events that caused the inbalance in the first place.
2.The random events outside of the ocurances, exponentially increase with the mundance events happening inside the plane of existence.
3.The occurances will inexoraby come to pass onto the plane, rather than off of it.
4.Denial of the primeval repellant will be impossible; it would eradicate the pupose of the integral insinuation in the first place.
5.Randoms event can be, but only within the confines of reality, creating a neutral existence of inexistence , simultaneously balancing the scale of events.
6.Generally, one would strive to think existence can only be, and it is imossible for inexistence to be, which cloaks the illusion of reality, and impossibiltiy.

Well I hope this helped you to understand why I said what I said.

That made about as much sense as the dialogue of the Matrix movies.

[Phil Anselmo]

Prodigous. Simply prodigous.

[SOAD rocks]

i like i like good job :thumb:

[Phil Anselmo]

I smell a device! Please, go on!

[M17avenasativa]

Perfecto :thumb:

[Black-Bass]

what about Sevendust what genre of metal would ya'll "label" them as

[prozak]

I disagree with the term "thrash metal." That genre is "speed metal." Thrash is bands like DRI and COC and was a crossover genre; speed metal is the genre from Metallica onward that didn't quite make it to death metal.

Otherwise, nice list! And I agree about nu-metal... blecch!

Also, I'm not sure NSBM bands hate anyone of non-Aryan descent. More likely, they seem to want an Aryans only homeland in Northern Europe, and for the rest of us to go back to wherever is most appropriate. It's more important to listen to healthy nationalistic bands like Immortal, Burzum, Enslaved and Bathory.

[Stoic]

Well I always thought that speed was something like "proto power" ala walls of jericho or battalions of fear for example.

[Phil Anselmo]

What is the difference between speed, thrash, half-thrash, thrashcore, and post-thrash?

What is 'brutal" metal?

What is grindcore, metalcore, Mallcore, and hardcore?

What is "Avant-Garde" metal?

What is "Atmospheric" metal?

What is "Raw" metal?

What is neoclassical?

What is NWOBHM, and what does it stand for?

What is "Darkwave" metal?

What is the difference between "electronic" metal, and "industrial" metal?

What is "Sludge" metal?

What is "Ambient" metal?

What is "Experimental"?

What is "Groove" metal?

What is "Technical" metal?

I'd really appreciate if someone could help me define these styles of metal.

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

Use the search button.

[Phil Anselmo]

Use the search button.
Gee, and I thought I was lazy...

[ironmaiden54]

cool list. i like viking/folk metal. elvenking :thumb:

[h34vym374l]

he did talk about power metal if you didnt read all of it its not his fault and the core bull or the hardcore (same****) suk *** and yes i would like to rename nu- metal too and name it nu-sh1t

[craggyisland]

What is the difference between speed, thrash, half-thrash, thrashcore, and post-thrash?

I know people who say thrash metal is a mix of speed metal and punk, but then, they might be talking bollocks. I really don't know. They're both pretty similar anyway. Post-thrash, I guess, is thrash- influenced music after the glory era of thrash (so relying heavily on open E riffing and such). Thrashcore, I really couldn't say. Most of the time, you can just take any genre you like and add -core at the end.

What is 'brutal" metal?

Brutal is usually death/black/grindcore, all that stuff, the most extreme side of metal.

What is grindcore, metalcore, Mallcore, and hardcore?

Grindcore is short bursts of noise rarely lasting over a minute, with (in the old Earache days anyway) terrible production and sometimes political protest lyrics (old Napalm Death, for instance). Mallcore is nu metal, basically; what all the kids who hang out at the mall listen to (I live in England so we don't really have that concept here). Hardcore is an evolution of punk with harder, faster guitars, eg. Minor Threat. Metalcore is hardcore with metal elements added.

What is "Avant-Garde" metal?

I've heard both Arcturus and Mr Bungle described as avant-garde metal, so I think it's just a style of metal which incorporates a lot of other styles of music as well.

What is "Atmospheric" metal?

Most black metal is fairly atmospheric, I don't know about the genre atmospheric metal on its own.

What is "Raw" metal?

The production on black metal records is often described as raw, because it has a very low budget sound. Again, I don't know about the genre "raw metal".

What is neoclassical?

Neoclassical uses classical influences and puts them into metal-styled songs, eg. Yngwie Malmsteen, Ozzy Osbourne to an extent.

What is NWOBHM, and what does it stand for?

NWOBHM stands for New Wave Of British Heavy Metal, it's stuff like Iron Maiden, all the British metal of that era.

What is "Darkwave" metal?

I guess Mortiis is kind of darkwave, it's new wave influenced, but with a dark edge. I never really considered it metal, if that's what it is.

What is the difference between "electronic" metal, and "industrial" metal?

I think (but I'm not sure) electronic uses programmed drum machines, samples, etc. more prominently than industrial metal, which uses palm muting to get machine-like sounds. But I really don't know, I may well be wrong.

What is "Sludge" metal?

I've heard Sunn O))) called sludge, so if that's sludge, sludge is incredibly slow, droning music, like slowed-down doom metal.

What is "Ambient" metal?

Not sure, but a lot of BM contains ambient parts.

What is "Experimental"?

Experimental is exactly what it says on the tin. Anything which differentiates somewhat from what a band's contemporaries are doing at the time.

What is "Groove" metal?

I've heard Pantera described as groove metal, but that's all I know about it.

What is "Technical" metal?

Technical metal is anything using odd time changes, song structures etc. Meshuggah is a good example.

Sorry if I got any of these wrong, genre categorisation isn't really my field of expertise.

[Arise]

What is "Groove" metal?

I've heard Pantera described as groove metal, but that's all I know about it.


Check out Down (featuring Pantera singer Phil Anselmo) and White Zombie's album "La Sexorcisto", that should give you a pretty good idea.

In essential, it can be described as metal on pot, or, perhaps not as accurately, psychedelic heavy metal.

Try listening to down's album "Nola" when you're drunk, and you'll see what I mean

[psychoticreflex]

Hey, if you could clear my mind in something, I would be grateful.
They're not my fave band, but I like some of their musics;
Which type of metal could you integrate Children Of Bodom and Synergy in?
I've heard they're black metal-like, i've heard they'r epic metal-like, so I'm a bit confused.
Since my favorite band is Dream theater, I can obviously see the differences between each style of musical accomplishment.
Anyways, it's just curiosity, no special reason about knowing these details, just for personal information, so, if you don't want to, you don't have to do the explanation too much detailed.

Later.

[Arise]

Hey, if you could clear my mind in something, I would be grateful.
They're not my fave band, but I like some of their musics;
Which type of metal could you integrate Children Of Bodom and Synergy in?
I've heard they're black metal-like, i've heard they'r epic metal-like, so I'm a bit confused.
Since my favorite band is Dream theater, I can obviously see the differences between each style of musical accomplishment.
Anyways, it's just curiosity, no special reason about knowing these details, just for personal information, so, if you don't want to, you don't have to do the explanation too much detailed.

Later.

Dunno. Prolly something like Synth-powered Death. Def. not black, althought the evil and satanic references are all over the place

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

Children of Bodom is power metal with harsh vocals.

[Phil Anselmo]

What is the difference between speed, thrash, half-thrash, thrashcore, and post-thrash?

I know people who say thrash metal is a mix of speed metal and punk, but then, they might be talking bollocks. I really don't know. They're both pretty similar anyway. Post-thrash, I guess, is thrash- influenced music after the glory era of thrash (so relying heavily on open E riffing and such). Thrashcore, I really couldn't say. Most of the time, you can just take any genre you like and add -core at the end.

What is 'brutal" metal?

Brutal is usually death/black/grindcore, all that stuff, the most extreme side of metal.

What is grindcore, metalcore, Mallcore, and hardcore?

Grindcore is short bursts of noise rarely lasting over a minute, with (in the old Earache days anyway) terrible production and sometimes political protest lyrics (old Napalm Death, for instance). Mallcore is nu metal, basically; what all the kids who hang out at the mall listen to (I live in England so we don't really have that concept here). Hardcore is an evolution of punk with harder, faster guitars, eg. Minor Threat. Metalcore is hardcore with metal elements added.

What is "Avant-Garde" metal?

I've heard both Arcturus and Mr Bungle described as avant-garde metal, so I think it's just a style of metal which incorporates a lot of other styles of music as well.

What is "Atmospheric" metal?

Most black metal is fairly atmospheric, I don't know about the genre atmospheric metal on its own.

What is "Raw" metal?

The production on black metal records is often described as raw, because it has a very low budget sound. Again, I don't know about the genre "raw metal".

What is neoclassical?

Neoclassical uses classical influences and puts them into metal-styled songs, eg. Yngwie Malmsteen, Ozzy Osbourne to an extent.

What is NWOBHM, and what does it stand for?

NWOBHM stands for New Wave Of British Heavy Metal, it's stuff like Iron Maiden, all the British metal of that era.

What is "Darkwave" metal?

I guess Mortiis is kind of darkwave, it's new wave influenced, but with a dark edge. I never really considered it metal, if that's what it is.

What is the difference between "electronic" metal, and "industrial" metal?

I think (but I'm not sure) electronic uses programmed drum machines, samples, etc. more prominently than industrial metal, which uses palm muting to get machine-like sounds. But I really don't know, I may well be wrong.

What is "Sludge" metal?

I've heard Sunn O))) called sludge, so if that's sludge, sludge is incredibly slow, droning music, like slowed-down doom metal.

What is "Ambient" metal?

Not sure, but a lot of BM contains ambient parts.

What is "Experimental"?

Experimental is exactly what it says on the tin. Anything which differentiates somewhat from what a band's contemporaries are doing at the time.

What is "Groove" metal?

I've heard Pantera described as groove metal, but that's all I know about it.

What is "Technical" metal?

Technical metal is anything using odd time changes, song structures etc. Meshuggah is a good example.

Sorry if I got any of these wrong, genre categorisation isn't really my field of expertise.
Thanks so much!!!!! You rock, you are very smart! I could never know that much about metal genres.

Children of Bodom is Power/Speed Metal with harsh vocals

SInergy is power metal

Dream theater progressive

[craggyisland]

No problem at all, man. :thumb:

[VaTeR_DRUMfreak]

[Thumb]this list really helped

[VaTeR_DRUMfreak]

**** crappy computer from hell

[Stoic]

let me ask something...what is "fusion"?

[Bartender]

Fusion is a variation on jazz..I'm not familiar enough with it to describe the sound. Miles Davis - Bitches Brew and Bill Bruford - One of a Kind are examples of fusion albums, I think. Cynic have a lot of fusion in their sound as well.

If you want a better description, check out the Jazz & Funk forum. Either look up an old thread, or start one asking.

[Arise]

let me ask something...what is "fusion"?

I think its a mix between rock and free-form jazz

[heavilymixedx666]

What would you classify Type O Negative as?

[Tamadrummer6162]

At the request of the mods, I'm making this thread to get stickied. Seeing as how there are numerous threads asking "What's the difference between genre X and genre Y?", hopefully this will curb some of those. NOTE: This is a very general guideline and not a definitive carved in stone definition. While I may put a band in with one genre, that doesn't mean that they might not fit into more than one sub-genre. I think most people here know my main area of interest is death and black metal so if you disagree with some of my opinions or band lists...fine.

Traditional heavy Metal
This is kind of a "catch all". There are plenty of sub-genres, but there are lots of bands that don't fit any sub-genre and can't really be called anything except "heavy metal". This can be basically anything from the old school British heavy metal invation to the newer stuff coming out today (not to be confused with nu-metal). This is what most people think of when they hear "Power metal" or such terms. Lots of different styles can be considered traditional heavy metal. Some bands: Iron Maiden, Judas Preist, Iced Earth, Godsmack, Manowar, Killswitch Engage, Shadows Fall etc etc etc etc.

Thrash metal
Thrash really started to come into play in the early 1980's. It was in one way, an answer to the more popular "hair metal" bands of the time. Thrash grew out of older metal such as Black Sabbath combined with chunkier riffs, speed, agrresive vocals, and even some punk. Thrash metal is concentrated more heavily on speed and aggression than it's predacessors. Key bands: Metallica (old stuff), Slayer, Anthrax, Kreator, Sodom, Megadeth, Exodus, Overkill, Nuclear Assault, Sabbat (UK), Darkane etc etc.

Doom Metal
Where thrash metal concentrates on being fast and aggressive, doom concentrates on being slower, lower and groovier. Many consider Black Sabbath to be the fathers of doom. Typically the music is slow and heavy. Guitars are tuned down and the vocals are usually clean, although growls do slip in on occasion. Also, while death and black metal are generally more aggressive lyrically, doom metal is very meloncholic, depressive and gives an extremly dark vibe. The music can range quite a bit from the extremely slloooooow all clean vocals, to the faster (but still relatively slow) doom/death bands. Check out http://www.doom-metal.com for some good information and a pretty large list of bands. Key bands: Candlemass, St. Vitus, Unsilence, My Dying Bride, Katatonia, Paradise Lost etc etc.

Death Metal
Death metal is the opposite end of the spectrum from doom metal. There are a few different schools of death metal. Generally speaking though, the music is fast, aggressive, low. The bass line is usually more pronounced than in other metal sub-genres. The vocal style is trademark to death metal. Usually vocals are growled or grunted. Blast beat drums are very prevalent. The most common misconception is that death metal is all about death and gore and killing and the likes. This is most certainly not the case. While many bands do sing about this type of thing, there are tons of great bands that do not limit themselves to lyrics like that. Lyrics can range to include religion, spirituality, fantasy and beyond. The music can range from the very aggressive and brutal (Aborted, Iniquity, Suffocation) to the more melodic (Ebony Tears, At The Gates) to the very technical (Atheist, Cynic). Key bands: Lykathea Aflame, Mithras, Morbid Angel, Behemoth (older stuff was black metal), Opeth, Immolation, Blood Red Throne, Entombed, Unleashed, Sinners Bleed.

Melodic death metal
An obvious sub-genre to death metal, it's becoming popular enough that I think it deserves it's own little section. Basically, it incorporates more melody. What it lacks in brutallity, it more than makes up for in melodic grooves. The vocals are typically not as harsh, there may or may not be as many blast beats. Key Bands: At The Gates, In Flames, Ebony Tears, Carcass (Heartwork mainly), Aeternus, Amon Amarth, Kalmah, Norther.

Black Metal
My own personaly favorite and particular area of expertise. Black metal and death metal are quite closely related. While death is focused on the shear brutallity, black metal is focused more on creating atmosphere. The music is typically higher pitched with less of a bass line. Some bands incorporate the use of keyboards or synthesizers. The production is quite often pretty bad giving it a raw or "trOO necro" quality. Tremelo picking abounds, blast beats are not as prevalent as in death metal but are still there quite often. The vocals are generally high pitched shreiked or screamed. The music can range from the "trOO necro" bands (Darkthrone) to the more melodic (Naglfar) to the very sophisticated orchestral atmospheric (Arcturus). A common misconception about black metal is that all the bands are Satanist and sing about Satan. While many bands are Satanic or anti-christian (note the distinct difference), that is not the case with all black metal bands. Lyrics can range from Satanic to fantasy to witchcraft to just about anything. Many black metal bands are very paganistic in ideology and see the christian church as an intruder in their native lands, leading to the very deep seeded hatred for christianity. Unfortunately, black metal also has a sub-genre known as NSBM. National Socialist Black Metal. While I do listen to quite a few of those bands because I like the music, lyrically many black metal bands are very racist against not only Blacks or Jews, but anyone of non-aryan decent. Key bands: Burzum, Mayhem, Darkthrone, Nargaroth, Emperor, Bathory, Immortal, Beherit, Graveland, Gorgoroth, Moonblood, Samael.

Progressive metal
A newer genre (relatively speaking), prog metal incorporates the general aggression of heavy metal with the progressive rock sound of the late 70's. Generally speaking, the music has lots of different aspects including key and time changes, unique riffing and such. The level of musicianship is typically extremly high. Dream Theater is by far the most popular band in this genre. The music is generally quite technical. Key Bands: Dream Theater, Queensryche, Spiral Architect, Spastic Ink, Aghora, Gordian Knot, Racer X.

Nu-metal
Nu-metal is the newest craze to hit mainstream rock radio. Without trying to bash it too much, generally speaking the music structure is very simplistic. Lyrics cover subjects that are close to todays teens (depression, abuse, drugs etc). There are very few guitar solos and the one's that are there are typically very simple and short. Vocals can range from the more metal influenced to a fusion of metal and rap. Guitars are often downtuned or drop tuned. This genre is generally not very popular among listeners of other metal music, but it is the newest craze and therefore very promoted and heavily played on the radio. Bands: Slipknot, Mudvayne, System Of A Down, Papa Roach, P.O.D., Linkin Park, Disturbed.


Again...this is NOT a definitive list. It not by any stretch of the imagination complete. I'm sure if we really wanted to we could come up with a good 20 or so more sub-genres. It is meant as a general guideline for the noob who's just getting into metal that otherwise would have posted a "What's the difference" thread. Feel free to agree or disagree. With any genre, there are bands that cross over and blur the lines. Your best bet if you're new to any genre of metal is to go out find a list of bands in the genre you're interested in. Download a couple songs from a bunch of different bands and then make your own distinctions.






Exactly what i had in mind. :)

[Arise]

What would you classify Type O Negative as?

I'd put my money on Goth

[tomb1000]

okokokokokokok, sin as no 1 mentioned this who du u actually think invented and pioneered the metal sound?

[Silenius]

Black ****in Sabbath

[Eon_Blue_Apocalypse]

Led zeppelin invented it.
period.
No doubt about it,Page was the inventer of metal.

[Arise]

Led zeppelin invented it.
period.
No doubt about it,Page was the inventer of metal.

There is nothing Metal about Led Zep. In my book, they don't even qualify for the term Hard Rock

Maybe heavy blues, or classic rock

[Jude]

There is nothing Metal about Led Zep. In my book, they don't even qualify for the term Hard Rock

Maybe heavy blues, or classic rock

Zeppelin are hard rock, psychedelic rock, blues rock, white blues or classic rock. In their own day they were sometimes called 'heavy metal' as were The Who. This was because their music allegedly sounded like 'metal scraping against metal'. I hadn't noticed this myself, although I think that description fits Jefferson Airplane's Somebody to Love pretty well. But that was before all you had to do was turn up the distortion and scream a lot.

[Kingofdudes]

Zeppelin are hard rock, psychedelic rock, blues rock, white blues or classic rock. In their own day they were sometimes called 'heavy metal' as were The Who. This was because their music allegedly sounded like 'metal scraping against metal'. I hadn't noticed this myself, although I think that description fits Jefferson Airplane's Somebody to Love pretty well. But that was before all you had to do was turn up the distortion and scream a lot.

wow way to stereotype!

You can say that Zeppelin was a precurser to metal, but Sabbath was the first metal band.

[Stoic]

There is nothing Metal about Led Zep. In my book, they don't even qualify for the term Hard Rock

Maybe heavy blues, or classic rock

your book?

[Arise]

your book?

Yeah, its called "The Book Of Absolute Truths"

[rock not rolll]

Food Metal

Though a small fairly unknown genre at the time, food metal still deserves recignition.

This style of metal focuses on, well FOOD! Band members wear food stained clothing, eat on stage and are normally overweight. Songs are on the topic of food or food preporation (system of a down- pizza pies would be a good example, though they are not a food metal band). Lyrics consist of descriptive eating (in the same way that death metal singers sing about blood and gore and killing and such) or describe recipes. Drummers often use, soup spoons, salad tongs or chopsticks which are taped or glued together for a heavier sounds.

I think it's same to say that in the next few years Food Metal will become the largest and best known form of metal.

[Arise]

Food Metal

Though a small fairly unknown genre at the time, food metal still deserves recignition.

This style of metal focuses on, well FOOD! Band members wear food stained clothing, eat on stage and are normally overweight. Songs are on the topic of food or food preporation (system of a down- pizza pies would be a good example, though they are not a food metal band). Lyrics consist of descriptive eating (in the same way that death metal singers sing about blood and gore and killing and such) or describe recipes. Drummers often use, soup spoons, salad tongs or chopsticks which are taped or glued together for a heavier sounds.

I think it's same to say that in the next few years Food Metal will become the largest and best known form of metal.

Pfff, those bands are just ripping off Beverage Metal





:lol:

[Searcher666]

What kind of genre is Skinlab to you guys?
(since you all know a certain name for everything)

[VeedBok]

nice list man

[PoliticallyIncorrectMetalhead]

haha food metal.

[libertine2020]

your book?

"In my book" is a common expression used in the English language, it does not necessarily mean that the person using the expression has written a book.

[Bulldogabel]

I just finished listening to some melodic death metal.(in flames)
and i have to say that they kick a.ss.

[Godmic]

I just finished listening to some melodic death metal.(in flames)
and i have to say that they kick a.ss.

That's an understatement.

[Thomas_Blink]

I love blink-182

[ed_the_ead]

What happened to New Wave of British Heavy Metal? one of the most important styles for british metal, with great bands like Iron Maiden or Angel Witch. good list tho.

[ed_the_ead]

I love blink-182
why are you putting that here?
and as for the blink part... :lol:

[Kingofdudes]

What happened to New Wave of British Heavy Metal? one of the most important styles for british metal, with great bands like Iron Maiden or Angel Witch. good list tho.

Because it is a self explanatory genre.

[METAL_HEAD_MIKE]

man Blink Blow

[mouseydude]

what genre of metal would the offspring be

[craggyisland]

what genre of metal would the offspring be

:lol:

[mouseydude]

:lol:
whats so funny? :confused:

[craggyisland]

You're serious? The Offspring is about as metal as Justin Timberlake. Try pop punk.

[Kingofdudes]

You're serious? The Offspring is about as metal as Justin Timberlake. Try pop punk.

just ignore him, he is going around making idiotic posts on purpose

[craggyisland]

I suspected so, I'm just very willing to give people the benefit of the doubt, often when they don't deserve it. My bad.

[Kingofdudes]

I suspected so, I'm just very willing to give people the benefit of the doubt, often when they don't deserve it. My bad.

:amaze: whoah I guess he really doesnt know.

[Asherlee]

Zepplin an Hendrix may not be here to produce more records, but we have what they left. Rock will never die, because of people like us who still love and treasure all the genres and sub-genres between us.

Rock may not be the current popular thing like it was back in the '70s when rock was at it's height, now having been over-powered by this pop ***t. I reckon that if Led Zepplin had formed now, they would have gone unsigned as record companies aren't after the rock sound unless they can make it more palletable, and above all, profitable.

As for guitar solos, they're not dead. Sure they're not as common, or at least as impressive as those of times gone by, but they're there if you look hard enough (Machine Head for example, a particular favourite of mine)
The way I see it, nu-metal shouldn't be shrugged off by fans of heavy metal genres. As i read through these threads, i found a huge number of people saying "I used to listen to nu-metal, but now i think it's c**p". I'm not a fan of it myself, but it can help kids get on to heavier metal and away from pop. I myself started on Blink 182 and Linkin Park, and progressed on to Metallica and Machine Head from there.

None of you should be saying "rock is dead". I don't want to repeat what others have been saying, but it's not. Saying that it is certainly doesn't help. All of you who play instruments, get yourselves in to a band, get some songs down and fill the musical void missing from the world. You all know what you like, or at least what you don't like. Get some guitar solos in, write some melodic lyrics if you hate screechy/shouty singers, rather than saying how much you hate it. How about DOING something about it?

With work, perhaps rock can be restored to it's former glory, and we can leave this trashy pop sh*t to rot and die.

[Kingofdudes]

Zepplin an Hendrix may not be here to produce more records, but we have what they left. Rock will never die, because of people like us who still love and treasure all the genres and sub-genres between us.

Rock may not be the current popular thing like it was back in the '70s when rock was at it's height, now having been over-powered by this pop ***t. I reckon that if Led Zepplin had formed now, they would have gone unsigned as record companies aren't after the rock sound unless they can make it more palletable, and above all, profitable.

As for guitar solos, they're not dead. Sure they're not as common, or at least as impressive as those of times gone by, but they're there if you look hard enough (Machine Head for example, a particular favourite of mine)
The way I see it, nu-metal shouldn't be shrugged off by fans of heavy metal genres. As i read through these threads, i found a huge number of people saying "I used to listen to nu-metal, but now i think it's c**p". I'm not a fan of it myself, but it can help kids get on to heavier metal and away from pop. I myself started on Blink 182 and Linkin Park, and progressed on to Metallica and Machine Head from there.

None of you should be saying "rock is dead". I don't want to repeat what others have been saying, but it's not. Saying that it is certainly doesn't help. All of you who play instruments, get yourselves in to a band, get some songs down and fill the musical void missing from the world. You all know what you like, or at least what you don't like. Get some guitar solos in, write some melodic lyrics if you hate screechy/shouty singers, rather than saying how much you hate it. How about DOING something about it?

With work, perhaps rock can be restored to it's former glory, and we can leave this trashy pop sh*t to rot and die.

wrong thread?

[erling]

I have heard about genres like:war,gore,grind,hydro,viking and folk metal...whats the deal with those?

[RivFader]

i guess viking metal is related to finland ,norway or sweden metal(just a guess).folk metal is like Finntroll, finnish folklore (hummpa) and black metal, which makes a great mix.

[erling]

I know finntroll have a song called "rivfader"...I guess you are a fan

[RivFader]

right, can someone tell me what kind of metal do children of bodom play?cus i'm so confused with all the false info that every site gives.plz

[erling]

death metal

[Bartender]

CoB play power metal, just with harsh vocals.

[erling]

the singing are awfull.......I dont get what that guy are singing about

[schweinhund]

the singing are awfull.......I dont get what that guy are singing about
It's ALL about guitars.
(And the guitars have nothing to do with death metal.)

There's abominations such as mallcore and Gothenburg on the list but not traditional power and speed metal?

[Bartender]

It wasn't meant to be a definitive list, just a guideline for the most asked about genres. In the 900 posts since then, power and speed metal have been covered.

[erling]

the guitar playing the beginning of"downfall " is cool

[Lily_Lazer666]

- In the future, don't waste my time and yours by replying to one of my posts - your limited cognitive abilities suit you (and many of your "friends" here) for 3rd shift at the local Deny's. Good luck with that.[/QUOTE]


Spelled Denny's wrong anus lover muwahahahaha.....just messin with ya
Great job Legion, btw

[Ve Das]

i guess viking metal is related to finland ,norway or sweden metal(just a guess).folk metal is like Finntroll, finnish folklore (hummpa) and black metal, which makes a great mix.

Skyclad are pretty much the definition of folk metal.The term is to be taken literally,no matter what kind of metal is providing the metal part,be it thrash,black or power.

[RivFader]

yeah i didn't mean to specify which kind of metal can be used for folk metal.just thought Finntroll is one of the best examples of Folk metal

[RivFader]

so CoB is speed/power metal?

[Bartender]

Yes.

[Iso]

^You just described punk.
YEah,but punk blows and hardcore kicks ***.but none the less... :lol:

[schweinhunt]

COB have as much thrash influences as they have speed influences, but the output is power metal.

[Tamera]

Excellent!

[jemer]

prog metal is kinda wrong, because you are describing bands like cryptopsy. instrumental skill and time changes =/= prog metal.

[sid_took_punk_to_the_grave]

Dunno if this has already been asked or not but here goes. I'm not a huge metal fan but i was curious as to what genre Cathedral would fit into? I am mates with the ex-bass player (he recorded their album then left)and I've heard a record, but I have no idea what genre it fits into??? Anyone help???

[Bartender]

Doom metal.

[Jondur]

Dunno if this has already been asked or not but here goes. I'm not a huge metal fan but i was curious as to what genre Cathedral would fit into? I am mates with the ex-bass player (he recorded their album then left)and I've heard a record, but I have no idea what genre it fits into??? Anyone help???

If you mean Leo I think he's back in the band now. The big Hippy!!

And yes they're doom although they flirted with gay stoner crap for a few albums but they're back on form now. The first two albums are still classics!

[SickAmongstPure]

Industrial anyone?

[Phil Anselmo]

children of bodom is power/speed with harsh vocals. period. end of story. end transmission. out.

[MetalHead88]

good list good discriptions im not really sure what to call my style of metal because i like almost all i like some slower stuff like godsmack alice and chains etc but i also like heave stuff like shadows fall soilwork in flames killswitch engage unearth and arch enemy when people as me what i like i normally just say metal and that covers all good thing the brought head bangers ball back

[RivFader]

can someone give a me a band that play's speed metal plz(instead of CoB)

[scared6of6metro]

old metallica could be called speed metal.most 8os thrash bands could be called speed metal alongside of thrash

[schweinhunt]

old metallica could be called speed metal.most 8os thrash bands could be called speed metal alongside of thrash
I reckon Freewheel Burning-esque Priest differs from South of Heaven-Slayer quite a lot. Say, the emphasis on riffs in "Fight Fire with Fire" is way too heavy to even be considered speed metal.

[holographicbeef]

nice list. that cleared up some things but i do believe there are more to be added.

[Phil Anselmo]

Whats the difference between thrash and speed?

[Kingofdudes]

nice list. that cleared up some things but i do believe there are more to be added.

Search the thread, many have been defined.

[schweinhunt]

Whats the difference between thrash and speed?
The core, or input of thrash is emphasized on the intensity of the riffage. Speed metal holds a more constant speed, thus you hear single notes being played repeatedly.

Thus in the output, thrash doesn't need as melodic vocals, and there's much more tempo changes. Thrash also tends to have less soloing because of the heavier riffage. Listen to the songs, feel free to ponder more.

[RivFader]

hey KingofDudes, your avatar is the frog from Chrono Trigger, right?

[Kingofdudes]

hey KingofDudes, your avatar is the frog from Chrono Trigger, right?

thats right, im thinking that im gonna change it though.

[idiumm]

uh i was wondering... what genre do you guys think that system of a down lands in? i have heard "rap metal" but i dont even know if that is a genre

[Kingofdudes]

uh i was wondering... what genre do you guys think that system of a down lands in? i have heard "rap metal" but i dont even know if that is a genre

Nu-metal, but they could change with their new album.

[idiumm]

you know when thats commin out by any chance?

[Kingofdudes]

I read in a thread that it will be November/December

But im not sure

[Phil Anselmo]

1.Two not very know syles of metal are half-thrash and thrashcore. if any of you know what they are please tell me. i doubt it though, since so few bands are categorized by either of those two genres.

2.What is the difference between extreme metal and brutal metal?

3.What is the difference between drone, doom, and sludge? I think they are all sub-categories of doom.

[Bartender]

2.What is the difference between extreme metal and brutal metal?

Extreme metal is just extreme metal in general; death metal, black metal, thrash metal, doom metal, etc. Brutal metal isn't a subgenre on it's own, just a qualifier for death metal - brutal death metal.

3.What is the difference between drone, doom, and sludge? I think they are all sub-categories of doom.

Couldn't help you on drone, but sludge just sounds..sludgier than doom. There's no other word for it. Listen to some Eyehategod or Crowbar for sludge metal.

[dom p]

what would you say sikth are?

[dom p]

"you know when thats commin out by any chance?" its out already

[Eddie's the man]

there is only two types of metal for me rockin old metal and sh*t nu-metal i hate that crap

[Evilman]

What about the old British heavy metal? Bands like Venom and Diamond Head, Without which there wouldn't be any Metallica, Exodus, or Megadeth.

[RivFader]

what about it?

[schweinhunt]

uh i was wondering... what genre do you guys think that system of a down lands in? i have heard "rap metal" but i dont even know if that is a genre
Well, they certainly don't have permission to land in heavy metal, so keep them on planet modern rock.

[Stoic]

^
Agree.

[xeulogyxunearthx]

someone way back in the in the beginnin of this, said that hardcore was simple guitars. youve must not have heard btbam or glass casket. they arent just fast guitarists, they ****in rule.

also, killswitch? rock? no, they belong with Unearth, All that remains, As i lay dying, ect.

[DrumedOut]

Im sorry but i do not like it. You have posted about all different kinds of rock, not metal. This is my belife only, im sure there is many that will disagree with me. It is also hard to classify metal. I like how you put info but different kinds of metal but i dont like how you put the bands in. I belive there is two kindsa of metal, old and new, Old metal has solo's and new has all crazy stuff. I like both because i listen to new when im upsett and old to just listen. Opeth, metallica, Slayer, Iron Maiden are all old rock and korn, slipknot, system of a down, and such is new rock, i feel new rock is more ez to play becuase it does not use many toms and does not have solo's. I dont know what to classify godsmack as because is has solo's and an exsessive ammount of toms. I perosnally like godsmack and metallica the best.

[Kingofdudes]

Traditional heavy metal, thrash metal, doom metal, death metal, melodic death metal, and black metal are all different types of metal. Stop being retarded and go away.

[Bartender]

Old metal has solo's and new has all crazy stuff.

Yeah, that was a small shedload of stupid, but thanks for the laugh that this^ gave me.

[BlindWriting]

Please give us a detailed explanation of what you call "crazy stuff".
He was classifying METAL. I know that might sound crazy to you...

[pasuzu]

Im sorry but i do not like it. You have posted about all different kinds of rock, not metal. This is my belife only, im sure there is many that will disagree with me. It is also hard to classify metal. I like how you put info but different kinds of metal but i dont like how you put the bands in. I belive there is two kindsa of metal, old and new, Old metal has solo's and new has all crazy stuff. I like both because i listen to new when im upsett and old to just listen. Opeth, metallica, Slayer, Iron Maiden are all old rock and korn, slipknot, system of a down, and such is new rock, i feel new rock is more ez to play becuase it does not use many toms and does not have solo's. I dont know what to classify godsmack as because is has solo's and an exsessive ammount of toms. I perosnally like godsmack and metallica the best.How did you even come up with that

[pasuzu]

The one thing i've noticed. Is that some of the newer death metal bands coming out now like Sikfuk, Verilence and Cephalic Carnage. Are replaceing solos With Weird off the wall changes. If thats the crazy stuff he's talking about. But to me there is nothing crazy about korn or system of a down. except that people listen to it.

[DrumedOut]

pasuzu knows what im talking about, new metal uses alot of sound effects, makes the song sound great but it takes less talent from the artist ti make the song, bands like slipknot, system of a down, and static-x all use sounds effects but i still love all kinds of metal

[jesterx]

Danzig?
King diamond?
Rammstein?(i could probably tell you if i knew that they were saying.)
immortal souls?

what about techno-metal(not industrial)
-cruxshadows
-bella morte(to a lesser extent)

otherwise an exclent list.

[The_Outlaw_Torn]

Great list, however, you forgot to mention catamenia in your black metal section!! The outrage!! lol, what about satanic metal, does that fit in with the likes of black and death? cause ive got an ablum by a band called Demonic (who nobody has heard of, apparently..no great loss really), which is very satanic, and I wouldnt call them black, and maybe only just death. Besides the lack of Catamenia (who are by far the best melodic black band), a really good list. Oh, yeah and what about new metallica (load-onwards), where would that fit in?

[jesterx]

Oh, yeah and what about new metallica (load-onwards), where would that fit in?
Crap

[Kingofdudes]

"NOTE: This is a very general guideline and not a definitive carved in stone definition. While I may put a band in with one genre, that doesn't mean that they might not fit into more than one sub-genre. I think most people here know my main area of interest is death and black metal so if you disagree with some of my opinions or band lists...fine."

Its not a definitive list, so not all bands are gonna be on the list.

Metallica from load on could be considered regular metal/hard rock.

[The_Outlaw_Torn]

Jesterx. I'd hardly say new metallica was crap. In fact, i prefer it to their older stuff. In my opinion, when metallica and megadeth were both still doing thrash, megadeth were a lot better. And as for kirk hammet constantly being voted a better guitarist than dave mustaine????

[Kingofdudes]

Jesterx. I'd hardly say new metallica was crap. In fact, i prefer it to their older stuff. In my opinion, when metallica and megadeth were both still doing thrash, megadeth were a lot better. And as for kirk hammet constantly being voted a better guitarist than dave mustaine????

Mustaine plays rhythm, Kirk plays lead, you cant really compare them. Dont start a flame fest in this thread.

[jesterx]

Jesterx. I'd hardly say new metallica was crap. In fact, i prefer it to their older stuff. In my opinion, when metallica and megadeth were both still doing thrash, megadeth were a lot better. And as for kirk hammet constantly being voted a better guitarist than dave mustaine????
i was just voicing my opinion, i prefer old metallica, you like new metallica, to each his own. :chug:

[BlindWriting]

When you say satanic metal, I think that's more of a lyrical subject matter. You really can't make that a genre of its own.

[-AC-]

Gore speed death doom blood drug metal

thats the best stuff

[jesterx]

i still wana know what genre you put king diamond (post mecyful fate).

[electricrainJKB]

fast metal, slow metal, shining metal, hard to break metal

theres plenty types of metals out there :thumb:

[Kingofdudes]

i still wana know what genre you put king diamond (post mecyful fate).

Maybe Black Metal, but dont quote me on this since I am no expert on Black Metal.

[jesterx]

/\/\/\/\yhea, diamonds a confusing one

[pasuzu]

I would have to say black metal

[jesterx]

when i think about it, he can be doom at times.

[pasuzu]

when i think about it, he can be doom at times.Yeah I can see that. Thats why I have a problem classifying bands anyway. Because they dont always meet the same discription. Alot of theme are a bunch of genres and sub genres combind together. Trying to creaate their own

[Bartender]

when i think about it, he can be doom at times.

Thou Art Lord have a couple of songs that sound almost like nu-metal, but that doesn't make them a nu-metal band. I'd go with black metal for King Diamond.

[XGwar_RulesX]

i think he forgot hair metal- you gotta give props to cinderalla and stryper and skid row... well myabe not

[XGwar_RulesX]

you got to have a sub-genre for GWAR and green jelly and SOD and the like but they are definetly metal

[Kingofdudes]

you got to have a sub-genre for GWAR and green jelly and SOD and the like but they are definetly metal

"Again...this is NOT a definitive list. It not by any stretch of the imagination complete. I'm sure if we really wanted to we could come up with a good 20 or so more sub-genres."

[XGwar_RulesX]

"Again...this is NOT a definitive list. It not by any stretch of the imagination complete. I'm sure if we really wanted to we could come up with a good 20 or so more sub-genres."


my bad

[XGwar_RulesX]

Jesterx. I'd hardly say new metallica was crap. In fact, i prefer it to their older stuff. In my opinion, when metallica and megadeth were both still doing thrash, megadeth were a lot better. And as for kirk hammet constantly being voted a better guitarist than dave mustaine????

im down with the megadeth bein a better thrash band but, and im not sure why im thinkin this, are you comparing old megadeth to new metallica?

[xeulogyxunearthx]

metallica is one of my favorite bands.. but they did change their music,in interview they said they didnt. from Load on, its become slow sorta country sounding, except st.anger, which just has no genre at all. (i cant stand the drums)

as to megadeth, metallica is better and hammet is better than mustaine.(opinion)

[Kingofdudes]

metallica is one of my favorite bands.. but they did change their music,in interview they said they didnt. from Load on, its become slow sorta country sounding, except st.anger, which just has no genre at all. (i cant stand the drums)

as to megadeth, metallica is better and hammet is better than mustaine.(opinion)

Hammett plays lead guitar and doesnt sing
Mustaine plays Rhythm and sings

They have different roles in their bands, you really cant say one is better than the other.

This also isnt the place to debate this.

[jesterx]

would you view techno-metal as a sub-genre of industrial, or a sub-catagory in and of itself

[schweinhunt]

would you view techno-metal as a sub-genre of industrial, or a sub-catagory in and of itself
Techno-metal!!!????

[jesterx]

bands like the cruxshadows(on some songs),bella morte,celldweller(to a lesser extent) and orgy(also to a lesser extent)

[Stoic]

Techno-metal!!!????

I thought he meant technical metal...

[idiumm]

"you know when thats commin out by any chance?" its out already

which album? if yur talkin about "steal this album" i know... but when he said there was a new one commin out i figured it was a fourth album...

[black_sabbath634]

what generei is CoB?

[Bartender]

Power metal.

[Kwash2]

^^^with black metal vocals. post #1000.

edit - 1001 NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Bartender]

You got 1000th reply. 1001st post.

[legion88]

tell me more about NSBM bands... I'm quite into nazi techno at the moment, but I used to be a bit of a black metal kid.