The different genres of metal

[UltimaRage]

Stupid arguements happen when threads like these are made, but it is a good idea. What about Speed Metal, also?

[deftoned]

Speed metal is in there, if you're bothered to read.

[epifreak2002]

Can someone define "Pagan Metal" for me? I found mention of it at http://www.besonic.com . You go to the music section and you can stream a few songs from the genre. I'd never heard of it before, and I'm wondering just what exactly it is.

[-=[PaRa]NoIr=-]

A+
very good

[trinx8]

thumbs up legions for the thread.
could someone please sum up epic-powermetal for me.
SOAD are nu-metal and im not sayin this to take a shot at anyone. They are nu-metal whether you like it or not

[Jack_Black69]

i think this list is perfect. every band mentioned are friggin amazing bands, i just have one argument. it hink slayer should be put in the doom metal genre, cuz man, theyre crazy.

[sacrifice93.2]

i think this list is perfect. every band mentioned are friggin amazing bands, i just have one argument. it hink slayer should be put in the doom metal genre, cuz man, theyre crazy.

Slayer is Thrash. The only sub-genre of metal that is identified by lyric is Black Metal. The others are defined by tone, speed, and such. Doom metal is slower and has more of a groove, while thrash is much quicker. DUH.

[h00t_h00t]

Can someone define "Pagan Metal" for me? I found mention of it at http://www.besonic.com . You go to the music section and you can stream a few songs from the genre. I'd never heard of it before, and I'm wondering just what exactly it is.
I think its similar to christian metal except the band members are pagans or have songs about paganism.

[epifreak2002]

Slayer is Thrash. The only sub-genre of metal that is identified by lyric is Black Metal. The others are defined by tone, speed, and such. Doom metal is slower and has more of a groove, while thrash is much quicker. DUH.

I was under the impression that Black Metal had nothing to do with lyrics. Most bands utilize the same lyrical themes, but I thought it was a musical style more than a lyrical one. Like atmospheric death.

[sensitiveorgan00]

Slayer is Thrash. The only sub-genre of metal that is identified by lyric is Black Metal. The others are defined by tone, speed, and such. Doom metal is slower and has more of a groove, while thrash is much quicker. DUH.

Still, a pop punk band with "Black Metal" lyrics won't make that band black metal. The music is still important in black metal.

[sacrifice93.2]

Well, most people, when thinking of Black Metal, thnk immediately of anti-jewish or pro-aryan lyrics, but the music does tend to set an atmousphere unlike other genres. It is true though. Some hardcore punk bands are skinheads. I would know. I got into a fight with the lead singer of an "Aryan" punk band from around here, and I kicked his ***.

[Jaguar7444]

what would bands like Smile Empty Soul, Trapt be considered... some one told me Nu-Metal. I don't know if you ever heard of Dead Poetic... www.purevolume.com/deadpoetic is their song "New Medicines" Nu-Metal?

[SGIBSON]

Black Sabbath started metal, Ozzy and Randy Rhoads made it famous

The difference between new metal and old (late 70's-80's) metal is new (as in 2000-2004) metal uses the deep voices and **** which i think sucks because every band sounds the same and the solos are just one or 2 repeating licks and take no talent. If you want a good metal album then get WE SOLD OUR SOUL FOR ROCK 'IN ROLL by BLACK SABBATH and listen 2 CHILDREN OF THE GRAVE. Download SPEAK OF THE DEVIL CONCERT 82' ****in awsome. Other good old metal albums are BLIZZARD OF OZZ and DIARY OF A MADMAN by OZZY.


RANDY RHOADS ****IN KICKS ***! AND WOULD'VE BEEN THE BEST IF HE DIDN'T DIE! :evil:

why the **** do they bleep this **** out its gay...PUNK BANDS LIKE GOOD CHARLETTE ARE A BUNCH OF FAIRY WANNABE HARDASS WHO CAN'T PLAY

[BuddyBigsby]

what would bands like Smile Empty Soul, Trapt be considered... some one told me Nu-Metal. I don't know if you ever heard of Dead Poetic... www.purevolume.com/deadpoetic is their song "New Medicines" Nu-Metal?

Nu-Metal. All nu-metal.

[epifreak2002]

Black Sabbath started metal, Ozzy and Randy Rhoads made it famous

The difference between new metal and old (late 70's-80's) metal is new (as in 2000-2004) metal uses the deep voices and **** which i think sucks because every band sounds the same and the solos are just one or 2 repeating licks and take no talent. If you want a good metal album then get WE SOLD OUR SOUL FOR ROCK 'IN ROLL by BLACK SABBATH and listen 2 CHILDREN OF THE GRAVE. Download SPEAK OF THE DEVIL CONCERT 82' ****in awsome. Other good old metal albums are BLIZZARD OF OZZ and DIARY OF A MADMAN by OZZY.


RANDY RHOADS ****IN KICKS ***! AND WOULD'VE BEEN THE BEST IF HE DIDN'T DIE! :evil:

why the **** do they bleep this **** out its gay...PUNK BANDS LIKE GOOD CHARLETTE ARE A BUNCH OF FAIRY WANNABE HARDASS WHO CAN'T PLAY

Wow, one post and this guy already deserves a banning....

Anyway, I don't really want to start another In Flames argument, but I'd like to disagree with all of those saying that In Flames is going nu-metal. I have not heard anything but RtR and Soundtrack, but it seems to me that they fit more into the "Industrial" lable than anything else. The programming/electronics, heavier than typical nu-metal riffs, and more brutal vocals all point to industrial rather than nu-metal.

[ydebing]

what genre would machine head be considered? any fans around here?

[Jondur]

Well, most people, when thinking of Black Metal, thnk immediately of anti-jewish or pro-aryan lyrics, but the music does tend to set an atmousphere unlike other genres. It is true though. Some hardcore punk bands are skinheads. I would know. I got into a fight with the lead singer of an "Aryan" punk band from around here, and I kicked his ***.

Crap. You're all raged up over that stupid rap thread. The vast, vast majority of BM is simple Satan worship. There is some crappy Nazi stuff but most are non political Venom rip-offs in the lyrical department.

[69PACMAN69]

power metal is awesome
Rhapsody and Stratovarius style
ANYONE HERE KNOW QUO VADIS?????

[lovely_lil_antichrist]

"I wouldnt put Slipknot and Mudvayne in the Nu-Metal catagory. Even tho they are newer bands, they both have Talent, unlike System of a Down, Linkin Park and P.O.D. I like to think of them as different, not crap."

i agree with this. just because a band is newer, it does not mean it fits into the "nu metal" catagory....

[lovely_lil_antichrist]

btw, you did a pretty good job at defining these subgenres. kudos :)

[davegrohlismyhero]

Rage Against the Machione-how would you guys categorize them?

[Scourge]

man, why the hell must Mudvayne, etc and Linkin Park, etc be in the same genre T_T

[loki153]

what about viking metal(amon amarth)

neo-pagan black metal (mayhem)

brutal(sp) death metal (death of millions, deception)

dark metal (throes of dawn)

and i've noticed something in the metal gerne's as of late... they are starting to blend styles from other types of music together and this is alot like a movement in the late 70's early 80's called fusion... which produced such great bands as steely dan and many others

take opeth for example... they started out as a run of the mill death metal band but then they started getting influnces from jazz and other types of music and created their own sound. in flames... (yea i know they sold out really bad) while not on as grand of scale as opeth but all of the early in flames stuff was black metal (like the song Stand ablaze) and for the most part everything before the jester race album was decent black metal.
corrosion of conformity would fall under this as well because they started out as a hardcore band in 1983 i believe but they are now more of a blues rock/southern rock/blues metal(?) band... so these hard to classify bands i have just started calling them Fusion metal

[CarpathianVampyre]

Operatic Gothic Metal, or just Gothic metal is a different genre aswell, but good job you covered the majority of genres, there are so many sub genres one could go cross-eyed by reading them all lol

[disasterpiece511]

Great list, but Slipknot and Mudvayne are not nu metal. Sticking them in the same category as P.O.D and Papa Roach is really desicrating.

[loki153]

they are both the sterio-typical mid western nu-metal... a bit heavier then the rest and faster but nu-metal is nu-metal and they are both definatly nu-metal

[the sock]

could someone clear up the differance between speed and thrash plz? ive seen 2 confliction statments in this thread, so i want it cleared up for me :)

[-Sic MaggoT 7-]

suck godsmack, killswitch engage and shadows fall aren't heavy metal
bastard, they're cool but no heavy metal

[loki153]

godsmack and killswitch both suck but shadows fall used to be great

[XpltinmwarlckX]

you forgot grindcore

[Kaden]

ATTENTION PEOPLE: PLEASE READ THE THREAD BEFORE POSTING. MARDUKS DIDN'T GET ALL GENRES, OTHER PEOPLE HAVE DEFINED THEM. IF NO ONE HAS DONE A GENRE, QUIT BITCHING AND DO IT YOURSELF.

This thread is really starting to piss me off...

[CarpathianVampyre]

lmfao

[sickgoregrind_666]

Well although categorising is very helpful to most what about certain bands that cannot be categorised i.e opeth. I wouldnt call them death, melodic death, black or anything just Opeth

[Jondur]

I could have sworn someone had done grindcore.... Oh well if not:

Grindcore:

As it's name suggests, grindcore is an extension of the UK hardcore scene of the early 80's. It's roots lie mainly with Discharge but also Chaos UK, Crass, The Exploited etc. Songs are predominantly short (taken to the extreme by the likes of Napalm Death - Dead is 6 seconds long - and Sore Throat who had 101 songs on Never Mind the Napalm.... here's Sore Throat), with punk structures. The music is simple, based around a few chords. It is , most importantly, fast. Very fast. It was grindcore that had the first blast beats (It was Pete Sandoval who introduced them to Death Metal when he left Terrorizer to join Morbid Angel). Lyrics are usually socio-political. Sometimes with a vegan or straight-edge slant.

Important bands include: Terrorizer, Napalm Death, Brutal Truth, Extreme Noise Terror, Bolt Thrower, Sore Throat, Old Lady Drivers, A$$uck, Nausea, Black Army Jacket, CSSO.

Goregrind is a subgenre that keeps the punky structure of Grindcore but adds more of a death metal influence. Lyrics are always about gorey killing etc.

See: Carcass, Repulsion, Agoraphobic Nosebleed etc

Noisecore is pointless but related to an extent.

[Vitriolic Rage]

I could have sworn someone had done grindcore.... Oh well if not:

Grindcore:

As it's name suggests, grindcore is an extension of the UK hardcore scene of the early 80's. It's roots lie mainly with Discharge but also Chaos UK, Crass, The Exploited etc. Songs are predominantly short (taken to the extreme by the likes of Napalm Death - Dead is 6 seconds long - and Sore Throat who had 101 songs on Never Mind the Napalm.... here's Sore Throat), with punk structures. The music is simple, based around a few chords. It is , most importantly, fast. Very fast. It was grindcore that had the first blast beats (It was Pete Sandoval who introduced them to Death Metal when he left Terrorizer to join Morbid Angel). Lyrics are usually socio-political. Sometimes with a vegan or straight-edge slant.

Important bands include: Terrorizer, Napalm Death, Brutal Truth, Extreme Noise Terror, Bolt Thrower, Sore Throat, Old Lady Drivers, A$$uck, Nausea, Black Army Jacket, CSSO.

Goregrind is a subgenre that keeps the punky structure of Grindcore but adds more of a death metal influence. Lyrics are always about gorey killing etc.

See: Carcass, Repulsion, Agoraphobic Nosebleed etc

Noisecore is pointless but related to an extent.
Noisecore is awful, I've heard one noisecore 'song' called Grinding Blur, by Corporate Bomb Threat, it's just 8 seconds of noise that sounds like an amp with a stomach ache.
By the way, what are Anal Cunt classed as? I'd say a cross between grindcore and punk.

[studio virgins]

thats all well and good but shouldnt it be whatever floats our boat after all your only grouping things which isnt wright

[loki153]

Well although categorising is very helpful to most what about certain bands that cannot be categorised i.e opeth. I wouldnt call them death, melodic death, black or anything just Opeth

see my post on what i call "fusion metal"

[tbreak]

what would meshuggah be classed as? I always thought it might be progressive death metal

[epifreak2002]

thats all well and good but shouldnt it be whatever floats our boat after all your only grouping things which isnt wright

Can anyone tell me just what the **** this guy's talking about?

[sickgoregrind_666]

see my post on what i call "fusion metal"
OK cheers very much, i didn't notice that

[Jon]

godsmack and killswitch both suck but shadows fall used to be great

Killswitch own.

[Prowler in the Yard]

i havent looked through but was stoner metal mentioned at all? bongzilla and the likes of them

[Jon]

could someone clear up the differance between speed and thrash plz? ive seen 2 confliction statments in this thread, so i want it cleared up for me :)
Briefly:

Thrash-
You know the score. Hard hitting, heavy, fast. Metallica, early Testament & so on.

Speed-
The faster bits of NWOBHM which influenced most thrash. Those bands, just evolved to around the same period as thrash. Like Motorhead. Not as heavy as thrash, but just as fast.


On Kill 'Em All for example,
Motorbreath (speed) c.f. No Remorse (thrash)

Geddit?

[loki153]

killswitch sux... i hate all hardcore/metalcore

[amomentofviolence]

props are deserved here

[sickgoregrind_666]

killswitch sux... i hate all hardcore/metalcore
So killswitch are a poor band because you don't like the category of music they are in?

That sounds a bit silly really, i'm not a huge fan of hardcore and metalcore but killswitch are great i think, among others.

[pennyroyaltea10]

most excellent :chug:

[pennyroyaltea10]

killswitch sux... i hate all hardcore/metalcore
whats your problem :confused:

[pennyroyaltea10]

godsmack and killswitch both suck but shadows fall used to be great
i love godsmack :wave:

[Kaden]

i love godsmack :wave:
Me too :D

[Godly_Guitarist]

Me too :D


GAHHH GODSMACK CAN BURN IN HELL

[gakami]

With all these different categories of hard rock/metal, are there any bands that crossover, whether in different album releases or even within one album release?

[SlaveToTheGrind]

yes. for example sepultura. they started with death/black then they played thrash and then they tuned their guitars down and played tribal metal :lol:

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

With all these different categories of hard rock/metal, are there any bands that crossover, whether in different album releases or even within one album release?

It happens all the time...
Burzum-Went from black metal, then when he went to jail his new stuff is atmospheric
Arcturus-Went from symphonic black metal, to avant garde
Ulver-Black metal to atmospheric

That's just a few of the top of my head

[drummaster132000]

Best description of the types of metal that I've ever heard. By the way System Of A Down rules.

[phoely]

Hey screw you I apologized. look again. Faggot.
"u r aeee spmur lolololol hahgahajha aeeeaaassshhwwol u nieewwwbyyiiieee!!!1!!1!
meatal rox hrdcre outlod mthr fck rs peeese ot."

And yes you have majorly pissed me off you f***** :evil:
plus any one with any brains can tell I was being sarcastic and making fun of queers like you.

Look...if you just going to mash your key board with your face trying to string together words, then dont bother.

[Elz`Guitar`]

Fantastic list.

[WrongWay]

where would creed be in that list?

[Kaden]

where would creed be in that list?
Creed isn't metal.

[mattdobson2001]

im not sure if anyone else has mentioned this (most probably) coz i just skipped to the end after 3 or so pages,

i think Mudvayne come under Math Metal along with almighty Meshuggah!
i cant quite explain Math metal right now the words are there but putting them down is hard (way too little sleep last night!) I thinks a sub-genre of Industrial, math metal i think math metal is a crazy mix of tempos, nothing seems to be in time but they are all running in time, Nothing by Meshuggah is a good example of this
Fuk i am lost i have some but no idea what i am burbling about :evil: \m/

[athane_2004]

id have to add one thing
system of a down arent nu-metal people only say they were as they were lumped into the genre because they had make-up like slipknot are said to be nu-metal because they wear masks id say system were in a league of their own like tool cos there hasnt been anything else sounding like it before. and new nu-metal is ****. it was better in the old days when deftones + korn were riding high. personally im a thrash metal guy myself prefering DRI, Flotsam and jetsam and old metallica to any diluted piss thats out just now.

[mattdobson2001]

Creed dont deerve to be mentioned, they have got to be the biggest joke in music, bunch of bloody poofters, fuk that fuking human clay "CD" absolute trash, that dude so cant sing. Can someone explain why the whole band wears tank tops? :evil: \m/

[mattdobson2001]

i thought that nu-metal was music with down tuned guitars with a distinct lack of solos (which i must say have their place any decent metal band, listen to the solo on "Eternal Rest" by Avenged Sevenfold to catch my drift) with poor old whoahs me lyrics, do correct me if i'm wrong! :evil: \m/

[sickgoregrind_666]

Can someone explain why the whole band wears tank tops? :evil: \m/
They wear tank tops to show off their massive sweaty muscles. Obviously

[paddy_undefeated]

I like it, but I feel some key artists are missing. All in all awesome list :thumb:
yeah dude! what about rhapsody in prog metal \m/ ^_^ \m/

[paddy_undefeated]

im not sure if anyone else has mentioned this (most probably) coz i just skipped to the end after 3 or so pages,

i think Mudvayne come under Math Metal along with almighty Meshuggah!
i cant quite explain Math metal right now the words are there but putting them down is hard (way too little sleep last night!) I thinks a sub-genre of Industrial, math metal i think math metal is a crazy mix of tempos, nothing seems to be in time but they are all running in time, Nothing by Meshuggah is a good example of this
Fuk i am lost i have some but no idea what i am burbling about :evil: \m/

Math metal? :confused: ohwell \m/ :evil: \m/

[sickgoregrind_666]

Math metal? :confused: ohwell \m/ :evil: \m/
Isn't math metal bands like the red chord, the dillinger escape plan. the locust and the end?

[Vitriolic Rage]

im not sure if anyone else has mentioned this (most probably) coz i just skipped to the end after 3 or so pages,

i think Mudvayne come under Math Metal along with almighty Meshuggah!
i cant quite explain Math metal right now the words are there but putting them down is hard (way too little sleep last night!) I thinks a sub-genre of Industrial, math metal i think math metal is a crazy mix of tempos, nothing seems to be in time but they are all running in time, Nothing by Meshuggah is a good example of this
Fuk i am lost i have some but no idea what i am burbling about :evil: \m/
Math Metal, wtf? :confused:

[PearlDrumsTay]

You left out cradle for black metal man!! wheres the lamb of god for some death/american?! PEACE (Nice work on the set up though, keep it up!)
-th

[mattdobson2001]

Hey i didnt make up the term "math metal" i read it some where on allmusic.com and it seemed pretty good term for some of those bands. :evil: \m/

[drizzt_fighter]

I think you forgot one
Gothmetal- the combination of goth music and metal (normally hard music and soft lyrics) in my words.

[sickgoregrind_666]

I think you forgot one
Gothmetal- the combination of goth music and metal (normally hard music and soft lyrics) in my words.
Gothic-era paradise lost for example :thumb:

[loose cannon]

Well, Im not really a metalhead. Im an Indie rock snob but I can dig some traditional Prog Metal like Rainbow and Deep Purple.

[Billy]

i have a question. what genre would avenged sevenfold fall into? im thinkin like either traditional or melodic death maybe

[Thomas Fur-Dawn]

You also need to put some neo-classical in there

[SlaveToTheGrind]

i have a question. what genre would avenged sevenfold fall into? im thinkin like either traditional or melodic death maybe
look here : http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=149877&styleid=14

[Aimz]

wow.... someone went to alot of effort to make that list, I think its totally awesome! You've done a great job and sadly you will never cover every band there is with in those catagories.... but i'd say those bands want it that way.... you know somthing original is somthing to be proud of...

It seems Gone are the the days of simplicity where there was
*metal *rock *pop and *disco

la la la.... ra ra ra

[inertiatic]

what about cali metal?,or armenian folk progressive post metal?

[jaybay]

um yeah, slipknot can be "defined" as nu-metal, but nearly every metal-head i know, from biker-chicks to fat old guys who havent been sober since the sixties and still cry about hendrix dying, like them,cos theyre so uncommercial(not including stone sour),and it kinda MAKES them commercial.does that make sense?
what im trying to say is that slipknot are original,and its not a bad thing,theyre good.
okay?

[Prattinator999]

Look...if you just going to mash your key board with your face trying to string together words, then dont bother.

I was talking about the eggs thread in that post. I put something that was supposed to be a joke, I mean, there was NO humor in that thread, and I just posted something retarded to lighten up the mood. I kinda thought it was supposed to be a little humorous being called "How do you eat your eggs?".
When I saw that there was nothing funny going on I felt like it was too serious, then I got into an arguement with ****_sock, apologized, then left!!!
Thats all I did...

P.S. I know they probably didn't want me to post that, but I didn't think their reaction would be so negative! I thought they stop, laugh, and get back to what they were doing. Geez...can't post one stupid post without getting sh**ed on...

[Drum_Bum22]

Great list, but under what catagory would you file a band like, say, Rage against the Machine?

[Goth-Grunger-Freak-Loser]

don't forget metallica, dunno if you put that the post is so long...

but yeah, METALLICA are the best metal band ever.

[MetalDeath]

**** man i can't beleive you acctually took all that time to do that!!! AWSOME JOB! :thumb:

[ScarTissue]

Ah I went and read everything ****it.
It's a really good post though it has many bad points. All the fighting made me wanna quit. I took me 3 days not one after the other. Only because I didn't have time. I'm going to have to go back. The last few pages were useless someone should go back and delete and the useless info or praise. Like this for example.

[cowboyfromhell1986]

Thrash probably.

any true pantera fan would know that pantera are not thrash, they sound nothing like slayer. Pantera are in fact power metal which in my veiw started the hardcore side of music. If you watch the pantera DVD they them selves say that they are a powere band :thumb:

[abcvh]

Yeah System of a Down is nu metal no matter how hard you try to say otherwise.

Very good list man...verrry good list.

American and English Hair Metal?
KISS
Aerosmith
Van Halen
Alice Cooper
Motley Crue
Extreme
????

[Toozey]

You put Mithras as a key death metal band, well done Legions :D :thumb:

[sickgoregrind_666]

Mithras are full-on stunning and worlds beyond the veil is unbelievable unique and different to anything i've heard before.
Imagine your brains being drilled out by a martian, that's what it sounds like to me. I need to sit down and have a glass of water after each time i listen to it.

[Jondur]

Grindcore:

As it's name suggests, grindcore is an extension of the UK hardcore scene of the early 80's. It's roots lie mainly with Discharge but also Chaos UK, Crass, The Exploited etc. Songs are predominantly short (taken to the extreme by the likes of Napalm Death - Dead is 6 seconds long - and Sore Throat who had 101 songs on Never Mind the Napalm.... here's Sore Throat), with punk structures. The music is simple, based around a few chords. It is , most importantly, fast. Very fast. It was grindcore that had the first blast beats (It was Pete Sandoval who introduced them to Death Metal when he left Terrorizer to join Morbid Angel). Lyrics are usually socio-political. Sometimes with a vegan or straight-edge slant.

Important bands include: Terrorizer, Napalm Death, Brutal Truth, Extreme Noise Terror, Bolt Thrower, Sore Throat, Old Lady Drivers, A$$uck, Nausea, Black Army Jacket, CSSO.

Goregrind is a subgenre that keeps the punky structure of Grindcore but adds more of a death metal influence. Lyrics are always about gorey killing etc.

See: Carcass, Repulsion, Agoraphobic Nosebleed etc

Noisecore is pointless but related to an extent.

Legion - do you want to update your list? You should add each new definition to the first post.

[sensitiveorgan00]

any true pantera fan would know that pantera are not thrash, they sound nothing like slayer. Pantera are in fact power metal which in my veiw started the hardcore side of music. If you watch the pantera DVD they them selves say that they are a powere band :thumb:

Do you even know what power metal is?

[Led Zepplein Hendix AC-DC ROCK]

MEtal is good but it will never beat the Rock. AC-DC, Van Halan. hendrix, led zepplein they rocked the planet.

nivana is a reall good metal band

[prophet69au]

Look... i love the way your trying to classify all the types of metal out there... but heres a question for you all....

Since when did Heavy Metal become so splintered?

i remember a time when Heavy Metal was IT...

sad really

[Kaden]

nivana is a reall good metal band
In no way, shape, or form is Nirvana a metal band.

[Autumn2Ashes]

With a Name that describes a state of eurphoric happiness they are no more than stoned grunge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dave Grohl's probot no thats awesome death metal....

[ScarTissue]

I want to know what pantera is. Is it black metal maybe?

[matt the awesomeness]

bravo :thumb:

yeah that is awesome dude

[Bob_13_13]

hello this is my first post and I'd just like to say EXCELLENT list! :-D and I don't understand why people find it insulting for one of their fav bands in nu-metal? I love slipknot alot but I know they are Nu-metal and that doesnt bother me. blah... whatever... just wanted to say hello to everyone and ummm.... Awsome list. thank you and goodnight

[sickgoregrind_666]

I want to know what pantera is. Is it black metal maybe?
Pantera = Black metal?

I think i'm going to cry

[Kaden]

armenian folk progressive post metal?
We're trying hard not to go overboard.

[AKY]

I think the original writer of this thread bases his categories to much on the guitar play. For example, if we look at System of a Downs drummer, John Dolmayan he is a very, very skilled drummer and often include ancient middle-eastern (turkish) rythms in the songs, which in no way is typical for Nu-Metal.

[a8o]

There's a great list on Wikipedia too. Check it out.

[KM120]

That was awoesome, u rock, could've been a little shorter. :thumb:

[SandyDude]

really good list. thanx a lot Legions!!
where would a band like orphaned land fit in the genres?

Orphaned Land are "Oriental Metal" which is doom metal sub-genre....it is doom metal with some elements of the israeli and jewish culture.....Orphaned Land are of course Israeli.

[Rhaven]

power metal anyone, viking/folk metal anyone!

[ibanezsucks04]

I didn't read all the posts, but what about gothic/industrial metal like tool, or nine inch nails, or if i'm so bold marylian manson?

[Kaden2]

I didn't read all the posts, but what about gothic/industrial metal like tool, or nine inch nails, or if i'm so bold marylian manson?
Tool and Manson aren't industrial.

That being said, I defined industrial on the 2nd or 3rd page.

[ibanezsucks04]

as i said i didn't read all of the posts

[ibanezsucks04]

Hair Metal:

80's pop metal. Typical party music, vocals are sung cleanly and cheesy backing vocals shouted by about 5 or 6 guys are generally evident. Hair metal is highly focused on image, hence the name. Big hair, spandex and high amounts of make up are big factors that make up the hair metal image. Lyrical topics generally include girls, love, partying, cars etc. Guitar riffs are usually simple and cheesy, drums are simple and so is bass. there are usually cheesy show-off guitar solos throughout hair-metal songs as well. Bands include Motley Crue, Poison, Ratt, Van Halen and twisted sister.

van halen isn't really hair metal he can be considered that but when compared to poison there's a considerable difference

[Kaden2]

van halen isn't really hair metal he can be considered that but when compared to poison there's a considerable difference
Well, Van Halen are different from alot of hair metal, but I'd say they're the best hair metal band:)

[ibanezsucks04]

EDIT: The new hardcore music is the opposite of what the original hardcore set out to do..it was to bring music back to the basic 1 minute songs (punk anyone?). Newer hardcore encompasses 4 minute songs (usually) with heavy growls and heavier guitars. NH is known for it's use of "breakdowns", which usually involve swirling guitars, and softer vocals, as a replacement for solos, in some instances. NH is very popular with teenagers (mostly male) now a days.[/QUOTE]

I've heard bands such as blink-182 or the used being described as hardcore so i'm confused now

[Minidrummerdude16]

I registered recently and you probably saved me from a thousand flamer posts from other users calling me a n00b lol.....Great list btw :thumb:

[FatherKeeL]

another "odd" catagory would be

"humpa metal" as finntroll dafine themselves...

ive ben reading for like 40 minutes now ... guess ill have to finish later...

[Kreator]

humpa metal is cool :cool:

[_GanondorF_]

most people seem to describe finntroll as folk-metal

[SliPknot2k9]

good descriptions. black metal rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[befukked]

humpa metal is cool :cool:
It's humppa.

[unknownleadfender]

Awesome thread, dude; although my opinion is that any band (exept for the amazing genre-starters such as Sabbath) is always a mix of more than one genre. Certainly one genre sticks out, but anyway, good post against very annoying questions.

[Kreator]

It's humppa.
i'm sorry :amaze:

[black_sabbath634]

what would u consider korn? im not a big fan, but im courious, most people would say that they are nu metal, but they sound very difrrent from those bands you posted under nu metal.

[black_sabbath634]

MEtal is good but it will never beat the Rock. AC-DC, Van Halan. hendrix, led zepplein they rocked the planet.

nivana is a reall good metal band
did u just say nirvana is a metal band?

[Metallica3130]

Sweet

[befukked]

what would u consider korn? im not a big fan, but im courious, most people would say that they are nu metal, but they sound very difrrent from those bands you posted under nu metal.

That's because Korn are the ultimate nu-metal band, and they're so "heavy" compared to most other wonders of modern rock.

[sLiPkNoT-verse-666]

lol **** man just dropped my favorite band and 2 others i like with that nu metal comment......just for the note..non of them are linkinpark, i really can't stand them

[PEST]

@fatherKeel
Finntroll is defining themselves as "trollish howdown metal" or so, the style theire playing is Bm mixed with Humppa(Finnish Folk) :D
sorry if theire any faults in it my english isnt the best

[DrPoopsangle]

why dont you all stop bein stereotypical and let the only genres be band names, jesus..

[TsukasaZero]

Just had to say...

The 'Knot? Nu Metal?

IMO, no.
Their new stuff has some nu metal in it (Duality) but you can't call songs like "Surfacing" and "Get This" nu metal. I mean, the band recorded their latest album in a haunted house (Houdini Mansion)!

[Kaden3]

Just had to say...

The 'Knot? Nu Metal?

IMO, no.
Their new stuff has some nu metal in it (Duality) but you can't call songs like "Surfacing" and "Get This" nu metal. I mean, the band recorded their latest album in a haunted house (Houdini Mansion)!
Because recording their music in a "scary" place obviously changes the genre.

[bassismylifecuziamaloser]

it seems that while this list is well rounded, i would like to redefine old metallica as more of truly speed metal, not thrash, although it's hard to define the difference, i will do my best.
Speed involes the extremely fast, sometimes complex riffing charateristic of such songs as "Blackened" and "one". The guitar solo is usually less melodic and more technical than other genres of metal. The guitar solo typically ends the song.
Thrash is more simplistic in riffing than speed, but it still has the choppy riffage. The best example i can think of is Pantera's "Cowboys from Hell". This also shows the guitar solo to be more melodic and in general shorter than soeed, and is usally followed by a final chorus. Metallica that did this was "Battery" and "The Thing that Should Not Be"

[befukked]

it seems that while this list is well rounded, i would like to redefine old metallica as more of truly speed metal, not thrash, although it's hard to define the difference, i will do my best.
Speed involes the extremely fast, sometimes complex riffing charateristic of such songs as "Blackened" and "one". The guitar solo is usually less melodic and more technical than other genres of metal. The guitar solo typically ends the song.
Thrash is more simplistic in riffing than speed, but it still has the choppy riffage. The best example i can think of is Pantera's "Cowboys from Hell". This also shows the guitar solo to be more melodic and in general shorter than soeed, and is usally followed by a final chorus. Metallica that did this was "Battery" and "The Thing that Should Not Be"
That's bullsh*t, all of it. The tempo does not define whether something is speed or thrash. Speed metal riffs are simpler and more linear than thrash riffs - speed metal riffs are emphasized on bludgeon where the same note is being repeated continually. Thrash riffs are also emphasized on bludgeon, but there are variations in the length of the notes (it's the punk influence).

All those songs you mentioned are more thrash than speed, except I don't remember what "The Thing that Should Not Be" sounds like.

[unknownleadfender]

Awesome post, dude. Only prob, though: need an explanation of hardcore/metalcore. Hard for me to explain, but from what I gather from listening to bands like Haste/Atreyu/FATA, Hardcore is simply metal screaming with punk song structure and simplicity. More aggression than punk, as well.

[drizzt_fighter]

Aww who cares. Metal is metal, so let's all bang our heads and break our necks while doing it.Also break our back whilst moshing!!!!

[horse]

wheres the
hair metal
power metal
and glam metal at?

[NickyHIMfan]

What form of Metal (if any) is HIM?

Some people say Love Metal, but I dunno really.

[BuddyBigsby]

Awesome post, dude. Only prob, though: need an explanation of hardcore/metalcore. Hard for me to explain, but from what I gather from listening to bands like Haste/Atreyu/FATA, Hardcore is simply metal screaming with punk song structure and simplicity. More aggression than punk, as well.

Read through the thread. I gave a very detailed explanation on the "-core"s.

[IN FLAMES 37654]

I just felt like saying that Meshuggah is the greatest and most talented metal band...no matter what "genre"

[Kreator]

What form of Metal (if any) is HIM?

Some people say Love Metal, but I dunno really.
him are gothic . love metal is the name of their last cd

[NickyHIMfan]

him are gothic . love metal is the name of their last cd
Arrrighty. Thanks :thumb:


Yeah, I know it's the name of their cd, but some folk on the net had said their actual music genre was 'Love Metal', and I also read that in an interview with Ville Valo one time too.

[SlashinStar]

Sweet although it could use a few more artists

[nirvanaguitarist67]

nice list bro

[TemperamentalGoat]

That's one hell of a great, comprehensive list, but what the hell is with everyone calling everything some form of METAL now?

whatever happened to, uh, rock, maybe?

There are people citing stuff like Finger Eleven, Creed, and disgustingly Nickelback as Nu-Metal.

That is not metal, or ANY form of "metal".

The problem with this particular genre is that no one knows what the hell defines something as "nu-metal". The thread starter got it pretty close, but it could have been more defined. I gagged when some kid said Nickelback was Nu-Metal. jesus.

Korn and Slipknot are obviously Nu-Metal, they championed and kick-started the genre along with Limp Bizkit. I don't see how you can realistically argue that they aren't "nu-metal". If you remove Slipknot from the category, you might as well completely dissolve the genre. Slipknot, Mudvayne, System Of A Down, Papa Roach, P.O.D., Linkin Park and Disturbed are all "Nu-Metal", they have the basic elements to fit into "Metal". Abrasive. Loud. Aggressive. Fast. Breakbeats and crunching vocals. Deftones is definitely part of the genre, and you can throw stuff like Drowning Pool in as well. Godsmack is Nu-Metal to me, but I'm not going to try to argue against it. Trapt and Smile Empty Soul border along the Nu-Metal lines, but really, you guys are completely missing another genre when trying to label music. Where's Hard Rock and Alternative Rock?

Creed, Nickelback, Closure, Default and Finger Eleven are Alt Rock. They are not in ANY WAY "metal". None of those bands sound ANYTHING like Korn. If you're going to label everything new as "nu-metal", then you might as well call nirvana or pearl jam nu-metal as they're closer to any of these bands than Korn are.

So Nu-Metal isn't every **** thing that came after the grunge movement, kids. I swear I'm going to stab anyone that steps up and starts calling Matchbox 20 "nu-metal". Nu-Metal has their own distinct sound. Nu-Metal may have spawned some of the crappiest music in history, but as with every genre there are a few gems. I hate how people think the term is synonymous with "crap" just because a few popular artists give it a bad rap.

[SuicidalAndroid]

i don't really think mudvayne and slipknot should be concitered nu-metal, they don't fall into the "we're in it for the money" or shallow sort of music. And the music is not toned down so its much easier to understand.... in fact its the opposite. These bands do not sing about what you had mentioned.

Some may think opposite... but I don't think they are Nu-Metal.

[severedstar]

Pretty good job by the guy who covered the hardcore, but I personally consider 80's hardcore and what has been termed old hardcore here as hardcore punk.
And more heavy 90's hardcore, i call just hardcore, stuff like strife, madball, indecision etc.
The metalcore was cool, but i didnt see any mention of europian bands who do the metalcore thing a whole load better than anywhere else, check out Caliban, Arkangel, and uk bands like special move, decimate, XcanaanX, 50 caliber and Raiden.
The emocore thing, well, this is a genre that is always getting messed up and should be termed melodic hardcore for bands like Poison the well and all stuff like that, simply because there is really nothing emo about it other than emotional vocals.
Screamo, good job, also if you here someone talking about emo violence, thats screamo, Love lost but not forgotten are very good band, and also after school knife fight, id say screamo / emo violence is like, grindcore mixed with jangly emo parts with high pitched screaming. but it is a very broad genre so.

[Kaden]

Nu-Metal may have spawned some of the crappiest music in history, but as with every genre there are a few gems. I hate how people think the term is synonymous with "crap" just because a few popular artists give it a bad rap.
I agree with your whole post, but this is the best part. Seriously, nu-metal is a genre, not an insult.

[FatherKeeL]

somebody brought up the question about rage against the machine...

i mean... taking only the vocals id almost call them nu metal. of course they arnt, but i wouldnt know where else to put them.


someone said that NIN ar not industrial. why not? what are they? id also say that a lot of manson is influenced by industrial. (even though i would not call him industrial)

some other bands that would fit under industrial in my opinion are static x, laibach and rammstein.

anybody here know laibach?

[FatherKeeL]

@TempermentalGoat:

good post

[Kaden]

someone said that NIN ar not industrial. why not? what are they? id also say that a lot of manson is influenced by industrial. (even though i would not call him industrial)

some other bands that would fit under industrial in my opinion are static x, laibach and rammstein.

anybody here know laibach?
I've never heard of Laibach, but I also think Rammstein and Static X are industrial. I don't know who said NIN aren't industrial, because they definitely are.

[ludz]

i don't really think mudvayne and slipknot should be concitered nu-metal, they don't fall into the "we're in it for the money" or shallow sort of music. And the music is not toned down so its much easier to understand.... in fact its the opposite. These bands do not sing about what you had mentioned.

Some may think opposite... but I don't think they are Nu-Metal.

"we're in it for the money". I've had it. I'm just gonna start avoiding anything that has to do with Nu-Metal as a topic. I just can't argue anymore.

[emulatorino]

What about Power Metal? (originally posted by ragnarok snake)

power metal was mentioned.
but its a great list, i was beginning to think no one knew anything about metal anymore. and the differences between black and death metal were well pointed out, that list is the sort of thing i end up trying to explain to ignorant stereotypers (is that a word? well, you know what i mean) every day.
i might just print it out and post it around my college to set the record straight.
you picked the main genres, good idea, it would take forever to define every single sub genre that goes with them.
again, good list.

[DickSmack]

Linkin park suck monster ***...

[KurtCobain2902]

What kind of metal is Guns N Roses??

[Gotkookie]

i think you need to add metalcore

[bandnaming]

cool than ice

[Kreator]

What kind of metal is Guns N Roses??
hard rock

[a8o]

Yeah, the Deftones just happen to be decent nu-metal in the same way as Billy Crystal and Neil Hamburger are both comedians. One just isn't a very good one (which one?)

[Chester]

i like hard rock adn metal i guess, fro mautumn to ashes is real good, and i coudl go on, but hwatever, id jsut liek to say, who reely gives a daumn about the genre of music they listen to in depth, ooh well, i liek death metal, and u say some band, and then sum1 ses well ,theyr not death metal, who reely cares, i jsut listen to music, and who reely cares what it is, i jsut think its a waste of tiem to tlak aobtu what type of music ppl liek in depth

[deathbeforedisco]

i think motorhead should have been included in traditonal heavy metal, because you said that the nwobhm was included in traditional heavy metal, and motorhead was a part of it

[deathbeforedisco]

What kind of metal is Guns N Roses??

they are technically hair metal, but to me they are a lot cooler and more hardcore

[SuicidalAndroid]

I wouldnt put Slipknot and Mudvayne in the Nu-Metal catagory. Even tho they are newer bands, they both have Talent, unlike System of a Down, Linkin Park and P.O.D. I like to think of them as different, not crap.

it was there a while back, and i agree with u... most of it

[SuicidalAndroid]

sorry... what i meant to say was i agree with the slipknot and mudvayne part....
but i wouldn't call P.O.D. crap, or SOAD..... SOAD does have talent, just because you don't like them they don't suck... And as far as i know P.O.D. is talented, atleast their drummer is

[Northwave]

I think, and many people will agree with me, that Nu-Metal should be called something else. I like Crossover.

I call it pop-metal. It's basically pop-artist trying to be metal-artist in my oppinion. And I can say right away that I don't care much for it...

*putting the flame shield up*

[Adar Blackwidow]

i think it wouldnt hurt to include love metal, that is a new classification brought by HIM from germany

- HIM are Finnish, not German.
- Love metal is a classification "invented" by themselves, in order to describe their style, which is difficult to describe ( read tag) since it has both metal elements (from influences by Black Sabbath,etc) but also Goth-related lyrics ( the way the term of "love" is treated..). All in all. HIM is like a melting pot where different "genres" are made into one astounding music.

[TOOL-DannyCarey]

any body listened to slipknots new cd biggest sell out ever

[reidster90]

about the nu-metal ****
there are those who suck balls like Linkin Park
and the there are some who who are making some decetly brutal music like System, Mudvayne, and Slipknot
what bands like Linkin Park don't have is talent and roots in the scene which the other 3 do
so i agree to the terms that some Nu-metal sucks
but some of it,well, doesn't

[lime toast]

i dont like slipknot. hah, they suck

[Baodegoth]

the list is great...i like all genres of metal..i don't usualy but the bands into a "box" i just call it metal...anyway very accurate(sp) list..congrats

[Wally]

(Clapping) nice work :smash: :wave:

[blahandrew0830]

Thats a great list.....we also need Power Metal and Hair Metal. There are prolly others, but thats what I can think of now.

Yeah, there needs to be more "sub-genres"

[mindblowa]

hey what about,

cradle of filth, HIM, dimmu borgir, blind guardian, drowning pool, ın flames, sevendust,staind,soil

ı just wanna know 'em... ;)

[emulatorino]

any body listened to slipknots new cd biggest sell out ever

Really? im not quite sure you know what sell out means.

Selling out is going against ones own principles in the persuit of money.

so have they gone against thier principals? or the fans?

(i would like to add that i dont personally like slipknot, i just wanted to clear up the term sell out)

[Kreator]

i have a new genre. sludge metal :cool: *found on allmusic.com*

[christonastick]

I think its a great list but you're really pidgeon holing these genres as if they are absolute. Trying to delve into the characterization of bands really defeats the point of music to me. If you spend all of your time sorting bands into categories I think you miss a lot of what they are saying. The only categorization there needs to be in music is good and bad.

Also Im interested to know where you would rank Tool and APC.

[Fleshripping_Corpsecrusher]

i have a new genre. sludge metal :cool: *found on allmusic.com*

I believe sludge metal is like doom metal without the atmospheric and symphonic attributes. Seeing as doom metal is slow and sluggish, but also sets the mood of gloom and depression. Sludge on the other hand is slow and sluggish like doom, but is focused on being raw and doesn't try to create that emotional atmosphere. Now, that's just a speculation and I may be totally wrong about this, but that's just what I gathered.

[Kaden3]

Also Im interested to know where you would rank Tool and APC.
I would rank Tool as just hard rock, and APC as alternative rock; not metal.

[$yk0_H]

Been reading this entire thread :eek: and so far I've seen some good and many not soo good points. I think this table will help clear up a lot:
http://hjem.get2net.dk/hosser/hosserspis/a%20brief%20history%20of%20metal.gif

[ninjamonkey]

Been reading this entire thread :eek: and so far I've seen some good and many not soo good points. I think this table will help clear up a lot:
http://hjem.get2net.dk/hosser/hosserspis/a%20brief%20history%20of%20metal.gif

thats a pretty cool table.:thumb:

[Hardcore Hero]

ok slipknot's first album was Nu-metal in the sense that it mixed alot of rhythm and rap type licks, the second album cam closer to death metal in my opinion except for the down trodenn guitars, and the third album is just ****ing different, it's hard to genrenize these guys really, but i've heard them mostly referred to as Shock Rock, as is Mudvayne, which has also been comonly reffered to as Math Metal , but that has more to do with their writing process

[Borders&Shading]

I'm sure this has been asked.. but what genre would Avenged Sevenfold fit in? Whoever answers... would you mind explaining it?

[Kreator]

ok slipknot's first album was Nu-metal in the sense that it mixed alot of rhythm and rap type licks, the second album cam closer to death metal in my opinion except for the down trodenn guitars, and the third album is just ****ing different, it's hard to genrenize these guys really, but i've heard them mostly referred to as Shock Rock, as is Mudvayne, which has also been comonly reffered to as Math Metal , but that has more to do with their writing process
iowa was now where near death metal. are there blast beats? or even solos? :evil:

stfu

[Cacophonious]

Ok, im need to clear things up

a) (From Wikipedia, indepth Encyclopedia)

System of a Down is a Heavy Metal/Eclectic Metal band from Los Angeles. All four members are of Armenian ancestry, and some of their songs are about Armenian history and politics. Their diverse instrumentals range from baritone electric guitars, electric mandolins, sitars, 12-string classical guitars to many other east asian instruments. Their main influence is noticebly the heavy metal veterans known as Black Sabbath, but they have many other musical influences such as jazz, fusion, Armenian folk music, classic rock, blues and industrial metal.

Though System of a Down is commonly refered to as a "nu metal" they do not really fit in this category, with the exception of their down-tuned guitars. System of a Down have never incorperated rapping or turntables in their songs, and they do include solos in some of their songs. Guitarist Daron Malakian personally said to Guitar World that he was glad that System of a Down had not slipped into that subgenre of heavy metal.

Nu-metal bands admit to being Nu-Metal... Daron Malakian specifically said they arent...

b) There have been a few categories missed:


Neo-classical metal: This complex form of music is heavily influenced by classical music. The chord progressions, arpeggios, broken chords, and speedy scale runs of neo-classical metal are borrowed for the most part from Johann Sebastian Bach, Antonio Vivaldi, Niccolo Paganini Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and Ludwig van Beethoven. All reknown neo-classical guitarists are classically trained virtuoso players and base many of their works off of the Harmonic Minor scale and the Phygarian Scale. They are the players best known as the Guitar God. Artists include:
Cacophony (Jason Becker & Marty Friedman of Megadeth)
Steve Vai
Ark-Storm
Jason Becker
Paul Gilbert
Michael Angelo Batio
Billy Sheehan
Yngwie J. Malmsteen

Goth metal is a crossover between doom metal , heavy metal music and goth music itself. It developed in the early 1990s in Europe and the United States. Originally, Gothic metal evolved from doom metal, where bands like Celtic Frost (Switzerland) and some years later Paradise Lost (U.K.) and Theatre of Tragedy (Norway) added female vocals and melodic keyboards to heavy doom riffs and death grunts. Bands such as Type O Negative (U.S.), My Dying Bride (U.K.), and Anathema (U.K.), focused on eerie keyboards and gloomy atmosphere as well. Paradise Lost's Gothic is widely considered to be the first Gothic metal song ever created, introducing duet of female vocals and death grunts. That's a mistake though, as Celtic Frost combined operatic female vocals and death grunts already in 1987 on their third album Into The Pandemonium. This album was a main influence for Paradise Lost, The Gathering and many more. In general, Gothic metal lyrics focus on a variety of subjects: religion and God, heaven and hell, romance, horror, depression, bereavement, emptyness, and death.

Industrial Metal: hard to describe.... very varied. bands include Static-x, Nine Inch Nails, Kitty, etc.

there are more gendres but im too lazy to post them at the moment

[Cacophonious]

Oh yeh.... i forgot to add... Mudvayne is Math Metal... not Nu-Metal.

Math metal refers to a style of avant/noise rock that emerged in the 1990s. It is characterised by complex, atypical rhythmic structures, stop/start dynamics and angular, dissonant riffs seen by some as mathematical in their complexity bands include Jesus lizard, Tool, Mudvayne, Big Black etc.

[tenorbass05]

Ok, I gotta hit the sack for work, so I didn't read the whole thread, but , just to be a jerk.......where's the "Funk Metal" style of PRIMUS?

[GnR_maniac87]

all in all i think that the categories are nicely done



way to go!!!!

[Kaden]

Cacophonius: All the "missed" genres you explained had already been defined. Sorry.

On the second page, I gave an explanation of Industrial

[muahhaha]

At the request of the mods, I'm making this thread to get stickied. Seeing as how there are numerous threads asking "What's the difference between genre X and genre Y?", hopefully this will curb some of those. NOTE: This is a very general guideline and not a definitive carved in stone definition. While I may put a band in with one genre, that doesn't mean that they might not fit into more than one sub-genre. I think most people here know my main area of interest is death and black metal so if you disagree with some of my opinions or band lists...fine.

Traditional heavy Metal
This is kind of a "catch all". There are plenty of sub-genres, but there are lots of bands that don't fit any sub-genre and can't really be called anything except "heavy metal". This can be basically anything from the old school British heavy metal invation to the newer stuff coming out today (not to be confused with nu-metal). This is what most people think of when they hear "Power metal" or such terms. Lots of different styles can be considered traditional heavy metal. Some bands: Iron Maiden, Judas Preist, Iced Earth, Godsmack, Manowar, Killswitch Engage, Shadows Fall etc etc etc etc.

Thrash metal
Thrash really started to come into play in the early 1980's. It was in one way, an answer to the more popular "hair metal" bands of the time. Thrash grew out of older metal such as Black Sabbath combined with chunkier riffs, speed, agrresive vocals, and even some punk. Thrash metal is concentrated more heavily on speed and aggression than it's predacessors. Key bands: Metallica (old stuff), Slayer, Anthrax, Kreator, Sodom, Megadeth, Exodus, Overkill, Nuclear Assault, Sabbat (UK), Darkane etc etc.

Doom Metal
Where thrash metal concentrates on being fast and aggressive, doom concentrates on being slower, lower and groovier. Many consider Black Sabbath to be the fathers of doom. Typically the music is slow and heavy. Guitars are tuned down and the vocals are usually clean, although growls do slip in on occasion. Also, while death and black metal are generally more aggressive lyrically, doom metal is very meloncholic, depressive and gives an extremly dark vibe. The music can range quite a bit from the extremely slloooooow all clean vocals, to the faster (but still relatively slow) doom/death bands. Check out http://www.doom-metal.com for some good information and a pretty large list of bands. Key bands: Candlemass, St. Vitus, Unsilence, My Dying Bride, Katatonia, Paradise Lost etc etc.

Death Metal
Death metal is the opposite end of the spectrum from doom metal. There are a few different schools of death metal. Generally speaking though, the music is fast, aggressive, low. The bass line is usually more pronounced than in other metal sub-genres. The vocal style is trademark to death metal. Usually vocals are growled or grunted. Blast beat drums are very prevalent. The most common misconception is that death metal is all about death and gore and killing and the likes. This is most certainly not the case. While many bands do sing about this type of thing, there are tons of great bands that do not limit themselves to lyrics like that. Lyrics can range to include religion, spirituality, fantasy and beyond. The music can range from the very aggressive and brutal (Aborted, Iniquity, Suffocation) to the more melodic (Ebony Tears, At The Gates) to the very technical (Atheist, Cynic). Key bands: Lykathea Aflame, Mithras, Morbid Angel, Behemoth (older stuff was black metal), Opeth, Immolation, Blood Red Throne, Entombed, Unleashed, Sinners Bleed.

Melodic death metal
An obvious sub-genre to death metal, it's becoming popular enough that I think it deserves it's own little section. Basically, it incorporates more melody. What it lacks in brutallity, it more than makes up for in melodic grooves. The vocals are typically not as harsh, there may or may not be as many blast beats. Key Bands: At The Gates, In Flames, Ebony Tears, Carcass (Heartwork mainly), Aeternus, Amon Amarth, Kalmah, Norther.

Black Metal
My own personaly favorite and particular area of expertise. Black metal and death metal are quite closely related. While death is focused on the shear brutallity, black metal is focused more on creating atmosphere. The music is typically higher pitched with less of a bass line. Some bands incorporate the use of keyboards or synthesizers. The production is quite often pretty bad giving it a raw or "trOO necro" quality. Tremelo picking abounds, blast beats are not as prevalent as in death metal but are still there quite often. The vocals are generally high pitched shreiked or screamed. The music can range from the "trOO necro" bands (Darkthrone) to the more melodic (Naglfar) to the very sophisticated orchestral atmospheric (Arcturus). A common misconception about black metal is that all the bands are Satanist and sing about Satan. While many bands are Satanic or anti-christian (note the distinct difference), that is not the case with all black metal bands. Lyrics can range from Satanic to fantasy to witchcraft to just about anything. Many black metal bands are very paganistic in ideology and see the christian church as an intruder in their native lands, leading to the very deep seeded hatred for christianity. Unfortunately, black metal also has a sub-genre known as NSBM. National Socialist Black Metal. While I do listen to quite a few of those bands because I like the music, lyrically many black metal bands are very racist against not only Blacks or Jews, but anyone of non-aryan decent. Key bands: Burzum, Mayhem, Darkthrone, Nargaroth, Emperor, Bathory, Immortal, Beherit, Graveland, Gorgoroth, Moonblood, Samael.

Progressive metal
A newer genre (relatively speaking), prog metal incorporates the general aggression of heavy metal with the progressive rock sound of the late 70's. Generally speaking, the music has lots of different aspects including key and time changes, unique riffing and such. The level of musicianship is typically extremly high. Dream Theater is by far the most popular band in this genre. The music is generally quite technical. Key Bands: Dream Theater, Queensryche, Spiral Architect, Spastic Ink, Aghora, Gordian Knot, Racer X.

Nu-metal
Nu-metal is the newest craze to hit mainstream rock radio. Without trying to bash it too much, generally speaking the music structure is very simplistic. Lyrics cover subjects that are close to todays teens (depression, abuse, drugs etc). There are very few guitar solos and the one's that are there are typically very simple and short. Vocals can range from the more metal influenced to a fusion of metal and rap. Guitars are often downtuned or drop tuned. This genre is generally not very popular among listeners of other metal music, but it is the newest craze and therefore very promoted and heavily played on the radio. Bands: Slipknot, Mudvayne, System Of A Down, Papa Roach, P.O.D., Linkin Park, Disturbed.


Again...this is NOT a definitive list. It not by any stretch of the imagination complete. I'm sure if we really wanted to we could come up with a good 20 or so more sub-genres. It is meant as a general guideline for the noob who's just getting into metal that otherwise would have posted a "What's the difference" thread. Feel free to agree or disagree. With any genre, there are bands that cross over and blur the lines. Your best bet if you're new to any genre of metal is to go out find a list of bands in the genre you're interested in. Download a couple songs from a bunch of different bands and then make your own distinctions.

How dare you call SLipknot and Mudvayne Nu-metal...they do not rap so much as scream and even sing.....i would rather have put them in the "heavy metal" genre.
God i just cant believe you would put these evil geniuses under the same category as linkin Park or POD....EW :angry:

[muahhaha]

I'm sure this has been asked.. but what genre would Avenged Sevenfold fit in? Whoever answers... would you mind explaining it?

hardcore, metalcore, punk-metal...something like that...i dont like that band much but i hear it is screamo... :evil:

[muahhaha]

Oh yeh.... i forgot to add... Mudvayne is Math Metal... not Nu-Metal.

Math metal refers to a style of avant/noise rock that emerged in the 1990s. It is characterised by complex, atypical rhythmic structures, stop/start dynamics and angular, dissonant riffs seen by some as mathematical in their complexity bands include Jesus lizard, Tool, Mudvayne, Big Black etc.

All i have to say is thank you for this comment.... :thumb:

[Kaden]

How dare you call SLipknot and Mudvayne Nu-metal...they do not rap so much as scream and even sing.....i would rather have put them in the "heavy metal" genre.
God i just cant believe you would put these evil geniuses under the same category as linkin Park or POD....EW :angry:
stfu

[echi di caos 7]

i'm a new member and the list helps alot

[metalheadbassist666]

Man thats a great list, im happy that someone's finally done it....although, there is the New Wave of British Heavy Metal "NWOBHM" where you could put judas priest, iron maiden, etc....

[disturbed1]

The reason I put Godsmack in Heavy Metal and not nu-metal is because even though their songs are drop tuned and relatively simple, the vocals are a lot closer to that of more traditional metal that those of nu-metal. And they have guitar solos in almost every song. No they may not be all out shred solos, but the solos are there and they're longer than a few short notes.

As far as Tool goes...I really don't know what I'd call them. The only 2 albums I have are Undertow and Aenima (sp?) which are kind of hard to really classify. I'd always called them hard rock but that's just me.
yu spelled aenima correctly

[disturbed1]

whats rap/rapcore metal. ive been told that disturbed is categoried as this and by others that they are alternative rapmetal. could somebodey (preferably legions) clear this up.

[disturbed1]

How dare you call SLipknot and Mudvayne Nu-metal...they do not rap so much as scream and even sing.....i would rather have put them in the "heavy metal" genre.
God i just cant believe you would put these evil geniuses under the same category as linkin Park or POD....EW :angry:
1:hes not saying that theyre anything like LP or pod. they would have (if legion would have taken the time to specify) fit into a copletely different sub-topic than mudvayne or slipknot(which im not so fond of). chill out!

2:i dont care much for LP park either but i dont coplain about, i ask questions

3:whats wrong with pod(please answer) :cool:

[Syreth_Kahn]

Would goth metal be included in that list? Where would bands like Lacuna Coil and Within Temptation fall under if not Goth? Or is that not considered metal or rock or anything at all?

[Kreator]

^^^ lacuna coil and within temptaion are gothic...

[CrazyBass69167]

nice list. Only if nu-metal could be erased from the metal world.

[Firecracker]

why??? it's still metal.

[metalhead81]

wow, im a younger member, and i never realized there were so many sub-genres. im a little ashamed, i havent heard of many of the bands outside of nu-metal, traditional, and thrasher.

[metalhead666]

nice list nu metal is the way to go

[Kaden]

wow, im a younger member, and i never realized there were so many sub-genres. im a little ashamed, i havent heard of many of the bands outside of nu-metal, traditional, and thrasher.
You should get into some of them. You're in for a treat...

[Kreator]

wow, im a younger member, and i never realized there were so many sub-genres. im a little ashamed, i havent heard of many of the bands outside of nu-metal, traditional, and thrasher.
what has that do to with your membership here?

[NeedMoreEmo]

Folk Metal? ;)

[SOAD&NiN116]

Where would Nine Inch Nails fall?

[Kreator]

industrial

[InFlames.KsE]

You would consider Mudvayne Nu-metal? They are a recent band, but the members are all very good at what they do. The music isn't simple at all. I think it is down tuned, but I can't think of many current metal bands that aren't. I'd call them agro metal.

[the_preacher]

My favorite metal genre would be Power but i´ve been browsing several pages of this thread and have not found any def. of Power metal. Does any one have a def. if so please post it.

[davey_crocket]

well i liked hair metal from the 80s ,death metal, heavy metal, thrash and obvisioly speed metal.... cannibal corpse is the speed metal

[super_riff13]

nice job, u must really now ur stuff man cause in flames isn't too well know from what i know were i live, alot of ppl r like who, once agian great job

[StupidJew]

system of a down-------------------------------------the rest of the bands in the nu metal scene

very opposite. how would one catagorize system? what kinds of blends would one use to describe them? every member of the band has a different taste musically. so all together they are something out of the ordinary.if they are in the same genre as linkin park, something is wrong here. a little help?

[Mann]

I think Opeth should've been put in the progressive-metal category, a very good list though.

[Mann]

Folk Metal? ;)

Hehe, give Finntroll a good listen.

[ibanezsucks04]

I think a lot of people probably get confused classifying music because of hybrid bands like SOAD and maybe pantera.

[ibanezsucks04]

nice job, u must really now ur stuff man cause in flames isn't too well know from what i know were i live, alot of ppl r like who, once agian great job


actually in flames is becoming pretty well known mostly due to their release of the album soundtrack to your escape you can find that cd almost anywhere

[Kreator]

in flames have been pretty popular before soundtrack to your escape

[super_riff13]

well there still not too popular round me it pretty much me n my friends n then a few others that actually know bout them

[Cacophonious]

Ive said it a billion times and Ill said it again:

Like StupidJew said, all members of SOAD have multiple musical tastes.
(Darron into the old metal)
(Shavo into Industrial and Armenian Folk)
(Serj into Armenian folk)
(John into Jazz/Fusion)
WHEN MULTIPLE THINGS COME TOGETHER ITS CONSIDERED "Ecelctic" which means collected. Therefore SOAD are dubbed (by the very members....) *Eclectic Metal*

And the guy who said Mudvayne should be Agro Metal? the hell is agro metal - Mudvayne is math metal.

Annddddd I saw In Flames on MTV.... how are they not known of?

And Opeth is progressive/Melodic Death Metal just to clear things up

[Metal Meltdown]

what about swedish death metal or "the gothenburg sound" i know its a sub genre but its worth its own title, in flames, at the gates( a little ), dark tranquillity are all in there and they are my personal favorite bands they all started in the city of gothenburg it is basicly melodic death but it is a little different.

[Metal Meltdown]

im talking about in flames old stuff here not there new stuff its nu-metal now,(mainstream ugh..) but there old stuff is the best stuff in the world( only my opinion of course)

[Cacophonious]

Why the hell does everyone bitch and moan about mainstream.... GOOD JOB. YOUR BAND MAKES MONEY. Its about the music... not the image... unless your a tool. Metallica got famous... they are still good. Slayer got famous, they are still good, Megadeath got famous, and so did pantera and tons of other bands (not just the trash metal bands) anyways, this isnt punk rock where the little mowhawk kids get mad when they hear their song anywhere but on an 8 inch...

[InFlames.KsE]

Why the hell does everyone bitch and moan about mainstream.... GOOD JOB. YOUR BAND MAKES MONEY. Its about the music... not the image... unless your a tool. Metallica got famous... they are still good. Slayer got famous, they are still good, Megadeath got famous, and so did pantera and tons of other bands (not just the trash metal bands) anyways, this isnt punk rock where the little mowhawk kids get mad when they hear their song anywhere but on an 8 inch...


Yeah, really. I don;t understand it either. Bands can be popular and good at the same time. BTW...what exactly is your idea of "popular"? I would not call In Flames popular. of 300 people, there might be 10 that have heard of In Flames (In my area). I don't consider that popular. In STYE's first week on the charts it hit #145 or something like that. I don't call that popular either, but I don't really care. IMO, they're a great band, and they should be more popular than they are.

BTW - Agro metal = Agressive metal; another sub genre.

[Carcass5150]

Great job of classification. It's nice to see someone that doesn't put Linkin Park in the same catagory with Six Feet Under. I also think it's good that you know what you are talking about. There are a lot of people that try to say something, but come out ounding like idiots because they have no idea what they are talking about. I especially like the parenthesised bit about Carcass. As a Carcass fan (hense the name) I found it refreshing to find somone that actually knows about them. If you know much about Carcass, and you are of the same mind of me, you know that earlier Carcass was more Grind Core than anything else. Thanks for puting all the genre mixing to rest.

[Carcass5150]

Hey I totally have to go along with Cacophonious and InFlames.KsE. Yes Inflames got popular, but by no means do they suck now. Yes older Inflames is better, but it's going too far by labeling them as Nu-metal. I don't think Trapt and Inflames will be touring together any time soon. Also just as stated before, bands get popular. If no bands ever got popular then no one would know who the hell they are.

[Carcass5150]

I have to agree with most of what you said here. Though I am not an Opeth fan I agree witht he classification. I find Opeth to be a little confusing for mainly one reason. The vocals. I just don't see how Mikael Akerfeldt could be such a bad singer in Opeth, and then be a phenomenal singer in Bloodbath. For This I am half dissappointed that Mikael is leaving Bloodbath. Luckily Peter Tagtgren from Hypocrisy will be taking his place.

[muahhaha]

1:hes not saying that theyre anything like LP or pod. they would have (if legion would have taken the time to specify) fit into a copletely different sub-topic than mudvayne or slipknot(which im not so fond of). chill out!

2:i dont care much for LP park either but i dont coplain about, i ask questions

3:whats wrong with pod(please answer) :cool:

POD sucks. They dont know how to play instruments, all their music sounds the same, and they have this christian rap thing going. it sounds like crap.

[deaner]

nice work man its a good thing you didnt branch off into all of the sub catigories because it would have caused more controversy but you summed it up pretty nicely man

[clearvision]

Heh i enjoyed reading this flamefest. However can't we just call music, music? And am i the only one who will just listen instead of trying to work out genres and so on...while im posting, catogorise HIM

[deadman151]

At the request of the mods, I'm making this thread to get stickied. Seeing as how there are numerous threads asking "What's the difference between genre X and genre Y?", hopefully this will curb some of those. NOTE: This is a very general guideline and not a definitive carved in stone definition. While I may put a band in with one genre, that doesn't mean that they might not fit into more than one sub-genre. I think most people here know my main area of interest is death and black metal so if you disagree with some of my opinions or band lists...fine.

Traditional heavy Metal
This is kind of a "catch all". There are plenty of sub-genres, but there are lots of bands that don't fit any sub-genre and can't really be called anything except "heavy metal". This can be basically anything from the old school British heavy metal invation to the newer stuff coming out today (not to be confused with nu-metal). This is what most people think of when they hear "Power metal" or such terms. Lots of different styles can be considered traditional heavy metal. Some bands: Iron Maiden, Judas Preist, Iced Earth, Godsmack, Manowar, Killswitch Engage, Shadows Fall etc etc etc etc.

Thrash metal
Thrash really started to come into play in the early 1980's. It was in one way, an answer to the more popular "hair metal" bands of the time. Thrash grew out of older metal such as Black Sabbath combined with chunkier riffs, speed, agrresive vocals, and even some punk. Thrash metal is concentrated more heavily on speed and aggression than it's predacessors. Key bands: Metallica (old stuff), Slayer, Anthrax, Kreator, Sodom, Megadeth, Exodus, Overkill, Nuclear Assault, Sabbat (UK), Darkane etc etc.

Doom Metal
Where thrash metal concentrates on being fast and aggressive, doom concentrates on being slower, lower and groovier. Many consider Black Sabbath to be the fathers of doom. Typically the music is slow and heavy. Guitars are tuned down and the vocals are usually clean, although growls do slip in on occasion. Also, while death and black metal are generally more aggressive lyrically, doom metal is very meloncholic, depressive and gives an extremly dark vibe. The music can range quite a bit from the extremely slloooooow all clean vocals, to the faster (but still relatively slow) doom/death bands. Check out http://www.doom-metal.com for some good information and a pretty large list of bands. Key bands: Candlemass, St. Vitus, Unsilence, My Dying Bride, Katatonia, Paradise Lost etc etc.

Death Metal
Death metal is the opposite end of the spectrum from doom metal. There are a few different schools of death metal. Generally speaking though, the music is fast, aggressive, low. The bass line is usually more pronounced than in other metal sub-genres. The vocal style is trademark to death metal. Usually vocals are growled or grunted. Blast beat drums are very prevalent. The most common misconception is that death metal is all about death and gore and killing and the likes. This is most certainly not the case. While many bands do sing about this type of thing, there are tons of great bands that do not limit themselves to lyrics like that. Lyrics can range to include religion, spirituality, fantasy and beyond. The music can range from the very aggressive and brutal (Aborted, Iniquity, Suffocation) to the more melodic (Ebony Tears, At The Gates) to the very technical (Atheist, Cynic). Key bands: Lykathea Aflame, Mithras, Morbid Angel, Behemoth (older stuff was black metal), Opeth, Immolation, Blood Red Throne, Entombed, Unleashed, Sinners Bleed.

Melodic death metal
An obvious sub-genre to death metal, it's becoming popular enough that I think it deserves it's own little section. Basically, it incorporates more melody. What it lacks in brutallity, it more than makes up for in melodic grooves. The vocals are typically not as harsh, there may or may not be as many blast beats. Key Bands: At The Gates, In Flames, Ebony Tears, Carcass (Heartwork mainly), Aeternus, Amon Amarth, Kalmah, Norther.

Black Metal
My own personaly favorite and particular area of expertise. Black metal and death metal are quite closely related. While death is focused on the shear brutallity, black metal is focused more on creating atmosphere. The music is typically higher pitched with less of a bass line. Some bands incorporate the use of keyboards or synthesizers. The production is quite often pretty bad giving it a raw or "trOO necro" quality. Tremelo picking abounds, blast beats are not as prevalent as in death metal but are still there quite often. The vocals are generally high pitched shreiked or screamed. The music can range from the "trOO necro" bands (Darkthrone) to the more melodic (Naglfar) to the very sophisticated orchestral atmospheric (Arcturus). A common misconception about black metal is that all the bands are Satanist and sing about Satan. While many bands are Satanic or anti-christian (note the distinct difference), that is not the case with all black metal bands. Lyrics can range from Satanic to fantasy to witchcraft to just about anything. Many black metal bands are very paganistic in ideology and see the christian church as an intruder in their native lands, leading to the very deep seeded hatred for christianity. Unfortunately, black metal also has a sub-genre known as NSBM. National Socialist Black Metal. While I do listen to quite a few of those bands because I like the music, lyrically many black metal bands are very racist against not only Blacks or Jews, but anyone of non-aryan decent. Key bands: Burzum, Mayhem, Darkthrone, Nargaroth, Emperor, Bathory, Immortal, Beherit, Graveland, Gorgoroth, Moonblood, Samael.

Progressive metal
A newer genre (relatively speaking), prog metal incorporates the general aggression of heavy metal with the progressive rock sound of the late 70's. Generally speaking, the music has lots of different aspects including key and time changes, unique riffing and such. The level of musicianship is typically extremly high. Dream Theater is by far the most popular band in this genre. The music is generally quite technical. Key Bands: Dream Theater, Queensryche, Spiral Architect, Spastic Ink, Aghora, Gordian Knot, Racer X.

Nu-metal
Nu-metal is the newest craze to hit mainstream rock radio. Without trying to bash it too much, generally speaking the music structure is very simplistic. Lyrics cover subjects that are close to todays teens (depression, abuse, drugs etc). There are very few guitar solos and the one's that are there are typically very simple and short. Vocals can range from the more metal influenced to a fusion of metal and rap. Guitars are often downtuned or drop tuned. This genre is generally not very popular among listeners of other metal music, but it is the newest craze and therefore very promoted and heavily played on the radio. Bands: Slipknot, Mudvayne, System Of A Down, Papa Roach, P.O.D., Linkin Park, Disturbed.


Again...this is NOT a definitive list. It not by any stretch of the imagination complete. I'm sure if we really wanted to we could come up with a good 20 or so more sub-genres. It is meant as a general guideline for the noob who's just getting into metal that otherwise would have posted a "What's the difference" thread. Feel free to agree or disagree. With any genre, there are bands that cross over and blur the lines. Your best bet if you're new to any genre of metal is to go out find a list of bands in the genre you're interested in. Download a couple songs from a bunch of different bands and then make your own distinctions.


ur the first ive seen who can fully describe some, if not, any type of metal.
there's also speed metal, and neo-metal which might be the same as nu-metal :thumb: :) :chug:

[M6F6K6R]

i disagree that slipknot is nu-metal. they're more hardcore than you think. some say they're shock rock. i'm just not really sure. but i really doubt that we can classify linkin park and slipknot in the same category...

[M6F6K6R]

dude how the hell do u make a poll? its not workin 4 me...

[Bartender]

Slipknot are not hardcore, and shock rock isn't even a genre. To make a poll, start a new thread and check the box "Include a poll" before clicking Submit New Thread.

[M6F6K6R]

tx i found it out with the faqs tho lol

[fatalpulse]

nice

[BaSS_HaCK]

i have seen where they list as many as 25 differnet genres of metal before it is almost stupid how many differnt categories there are for metal these days
to me metal is metal but there is for sure a difference between black, death and heavy metal, i see those 3 as being totally differnt styles adn any otehr style of metal will incorperate 1 or more of those styles with it's on unique style

[ibanezsucks04]

Heh i enjoyed reading this flamefest. However can't we just call music, music? And am i the only one who will just listen instead of trying to work out genres and so on...while im posting, catogorise HIM

agreed i just get interested in all the movements and besides its good that bands do tend to fall in a specific catagory it makes it easier to judge what type of music you do and dont like for instance i dont like death,black,power, and nu-metal not that there arent exceptions but generally i keep away from bands in those genres

Good music is good music and thats all that matters

[Kreator]

Heh i enjoyed reading this flamefest. However can't we just call music, music? And am i the only one who will just listen instead of trying to work out genres and so on...while im posting, catogorise HIM
go back to the guitar forum :p him are gothic

[clearvision]

Sorry Kreator sir. Please forgive me...their album is called love metal

*crawls back to guitar forum!*

[GuItarFreEk]

i dont like HIM, quite frankly i think they suck.

what ever happened to old rock like deep purple, led zepplin so on.....?
thats the good stuff
GuItarFreEk xx

[clearvision]

"i dont like HIM, quite frankly i think they suck."

No one gives a flying fu<k on your opinons of HIM. I just wanna know where they are catogorised. This isn't an opinion thread it's a classification thread. Though this may relate back to opinions it is not of whether they are good or bad but where they fit in the wide metal genre! You n00bs have alot to learn...

[Shadows]

A pretty good list. You gave details and descriptions of the different genres.

The only things I noticed were : Shadows Fall and Killswitch Engage are definitely NOT Traditional heavy metal, and Slipknot cannot really be considered nu-metal, as their music is almost never played on the radio, and Vol.3 breaks the tradition of simple music with easy or no solos.

Other then this, good job.

[moses360]

This is great but could sumone gimme an example of what grindcore is? i heard it sumwhere and dont have a clue what it is.

[EteRnaL OBscURity'z AnArChiST]

wow...I honestly didn't expect this to go over as well. I wasn't trying to hit every single sub-genre. I was just going for the one's that are asked about frequently here.

very cool :thumb: , but what catagory do cradle of filth and children of bodom fall into?

[Kreator]

cradle are black metal and children of bodom are melodic death

[Cacophonious]

cradle are black metal and children of bodom are melodic death

HA! If cradle is black metal I guess that makes Slipnkot hardcore death... which it isnt. Cradle is to commercialised/mainstream to be labeled REAL black metal.

Not that there is anythin wrong with Cradle (I dont like them... but thats just me) they just dont exactly fall into real Black

[clearvision]

Black metal doesn't have to be non-comercialised. Just cause alot of people like it, it can still be black metal. It relates back to the nu-metal thing

[Some Kid]

nice list man, dont see many people try to make that up

[Kreator]

HA! If cradle is black metal I guess that makes Slipnkot hardcore death... which it isnt. Cradle is to commercialised/mainstream to be labeled REAL black metal.


slipknot are still nu metal ;) well then they are unreal black metal

[FatherKeeL]

many ppl asked what HIM are...

theire are like 1000 bands in finnland that sound very similar to HIM.

just they dont sing in english so they never made it big (a lot of them better than HIM in my opinion)

the genre is calle "Suomi Rokko"

.....

another genre that hasent ben mentioned yet (i think) is "medieval metal"

personal fav: "In Extremo" (though i dont think youd have heard of them in the us... some songs would be "Die Gier" or "Der Wind" or "Der Rattenfänger"

cheers

FK


edit:

and of course cradle is black metal... no matter how popular they become they will allways stay it... just like dimmu borgir

[clearvision]

thankyou father..i knew HIM were some kind of genre lol

[imort]

Am i being an un-observant idiot or has power metal been missed of the list of genres?

[FatherKeeL]

i think you are being un-observant...

[Iron_Maiden_Kicks]

Ok, here are all the genres of metal listed on allmusic.com:

Power Metal
Punk Metal
Stoner Metal
Scandinavian Metal
Doom Metal
New Wave of British Heavy M
Symphonic Black Metal
Pop-Metal
Neo-Classical Metal
Progressive Metal (done)
Industrial Metal (done)
British Metal
Alternative Metal
Funk Metal
Hair Metal
Thrash (done)
Death Metal/Black Metal (done)
Grindcore (done)
Speed Metal (done)

I wrote “done� next to the ones I’m pretty sure are done….everyone should feel free to write definitions.

Once they are all done, Marduk should edit his original post to include all the genres

Hair metal and power metal are the same deal man.... key bands: bon jovi, scorpions, twisted sister (not realli metal but you get the point) and any other bands with somewhat transvestive looking members