Classic Rock

[Woodstock]

^True, nice to see you back in here.

[RNR]

Floyd>The Dead.

Which is why i'm voting for them in the poll.

[magicbus]

Floyd>The Dead.

Which is why i'm voting for them in the poll.

++THE TRUTH

[ToRidTheDisease]

Floyd>All

[Woodstock]

^Youre back!

You used to post in here all the time.

Floyd > or = to Grateful Dead

[lunch998]

Good way to stop the arguement guys.

[magicbus]

Yea man! I voted in both polls. I think I missed some, so I'm gonna go check.

[Badmoon]

You just admit the diversity is there.

I said there was diversity, but Jpj stated they are more diverse than the Dead.

The Grateful Dead is far less diverse than Floyd.

I'm just working off of this post.

So The Dead are more diverse. So what? Metallica is pretty diverse.... doesn't stop them from sucking. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to directly compare Metallica to the Dead, or say that the Dead suck, but diversity doesn't make the band. I mean, the Stones aren't all that diverse, but they totally rock. Ultimately, this whole thing is nothing more than an opinion argument, because the factors that make a band "great" are entirely subjective. You say Garcia is a better writer than Barrett, but some people say the guys from Linkin Park blow both of them out of the water.

Okay, this can be summed up easily, I believe Floyd are diverse, just not as diverse as The Dead.

[Badmoon]

Sorry I wasn't here to answer back or join the chat (I was at the airport). But if you want to continue this in the chat, sure.

[magicbus]

Personally, I don't think Floyd's all that diverse. Mostly just dreamy, psychadelic rock. That doesn't stop me from liking them however. In my opinion, they are the greatest band. Ever. I don't enjoy the Dead a whole lot, but based on the instruments badmoon said they use, I'd say they are more diverse.

+opinion/rant

[Against Miik!]

I'm not a big Pink Floyd fan. There are some individual songs I enjoy, but overall, they are just to depressing for me.

[DeusExMachina]

I'm just a little confused as to why people are arguing. I mean, its entirely opinion based, and no one is going to change anyone else's mind.

[Schyma]

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Im just saying A.B. wasn't that diverse all it was mainly acoustic with a delicate layered vocals.(except for Truckin) Now I'm not saying this album is bad I love it but..... Its not that diverse but thats my opinion

[Badmoon]

Obviously you need to take a closer look. There are heavy amounts of Electric everywhere, organ, and pedal steel. Let alone a lot of it is overdubbed, stacked, 3D recorded, and layered.

[Kingofdudes]

I'm just a little confused as to why people are arguing. I mean, its entirely opinion based, and no one is going to change anyone else's mind.

Why do politicians have debates? Why do news channels have Debate shows?

[Schyma]

What do you mean by 3D recorded

[Badmoon]

Each instrument was recorded seperatley, they may not call it that now, but they did then.

[Schyma]

I'm just a little confused as to why people are arguing. I mean, its entirely opinion based, and no one is going to change anyone else's mind.

Not really Badmoon made reasonable point and maybe Ill cheak out a little more Dead...and maybe not

[Schyma]

The Beatles did that..I think

[Schyma]

Obviously you need to take a closer look. There are heavy amounts of Electric everywhere, organ, and pedal steel. Let alone a lot of it is overdubbed, stacked, 3D recorded, and layered.

Read the booklet that comes with the CD on the 1st page it even says and I quote "Many of the tracks dont even have instrumental breaks"

[Badmoon]

Read the booklet that comes with the CD on the 1st page it even says and I quote "Many of the tracks dont even have instrumental breaks"

Does that matter?

[Schyma]

No not really

[lunch998]

I like Pink Floyd and Grateful Dead. No matter how many instruments they play.

Badmoon, sorry for being a douche in the other forums.

[Woodstock]

End this arguement!

This would be a good debate topic.

[magicbus]

But if you use 3d recording, you don't get that sweet echo effect when the vocals leak into the drum mics :thumb:

(Plant on Whole Lotta Love, just about 4:00 minutes)

[lunch998]

But if you use 3d recording, you don't get that sweet echo effect when the vocals leak into the drum mics :thumb:

(Plant on Whole Lotta Love, just about 4:00 minutes)

That's why most Zeppelin recordings rule.

[Schyma]

Still 3D recordings are way better

[magicbus]

No seriously! Listen to that part! Its sweet! I even left the time!

[lunch998]

Still 3D recordings are way better

Yea but if the band doesn't use 3D recordings, then you feel alittle more like it's a "live" recording. Any you know what they play in the studio, they can play live as well. (Obviously the Beatles and the Dead can play live, thats not what I was refering to.) It just seems more real to me if you don't 3D record.

[magicbus]

Yea but if the band doesn't use 3D recordings, then you feel alittle more like it's a "live" recording. Any you know what they play in the studio, they can play live as well. (Obviously the Beatles and the Dead can play live, thats not what I was refering to.) It just seems more real to me if you don't 3D record.

I agree. I decided if I was in a band, I would try both, but prefer non 3D, and only use it a little. It seems more authentic to me that way.

[Schyma]

The Beatles really didn't do that many live shows...

[Woodstock]

The Beatles really didn't do that many live shows...
Rooftop Concert was sweet though.

[lunch998]

The Beatles really didn't do that many live shows...

Maybe not, I just added that in to avoid an arguement. But we all know the Grateful Dead can play live.

[Seafroggys]

The Beatles really didn't do that many live shows...

Uh, that's all they did from 1960-66.....except for the time to make their movies and record their albums. That's why they quit touring.

I'm pissed that the polls aren't open that long. I wanted to vote for Blue Oyster Cult so bad in #1, but I haven't been online for the past 36 hours, I'm pissed. Is it possible that it can be changed? (or is it gonna move on anyway?)

[Badmoon]

Yea but if the band doesn't use 3D recordings, then you feel alittle more like it's a "live" recording. Any you know what they play in the studio, they can play live as well. (Obviously the Beatles and the Dead can play live, thats not what I was refering to.) It just seems more real to me if you don't 3D record.

Well, it would be "live" if they took only one go at a track. Otherwise, if they weren't using the 3D recording, they'd just be playing it live, but taking many goes at the song.

[PaintballJunkie]

yah that was there last concert, probably where u2 got the idea eh

[DeusExMachina]

Why do politicians have debates? Why do news channels have Debate shows?

Thats different. In a political debate, you can say "i have the facts right here that so and so did a better job, they are irrefutable truths." if anyone said "it is a fact that pink floyd is the greatest band ever" people would call them an idiot.

Not really Badmoon made reasonable point and maybe Ill cheak out a little more Dead...and maybe not

He did make reasonable points, but its just as easy to say "hey, you should check out the Dead, they're really awesome." Also, him just saying "The Dead are better than Pink Floyd" won't (hopefully) convince you. You'd have to listen to them and make up your own mind. Which can be done by avoiding the argument with a lot less hassle than if you do it through the argument.

[Schyma]

Uh, that's all they did from 1960-66.....except for the time to make their movies and record their albums. That's why they quit touring.

When as successful as the Beatles you dont really need to tour...**** I wouldn't :thumb:

[Schyma]

Uh, that's all they did from 1960-66.....except for the time to make their movies and record their albums. That's why they quit touring.

When your as successful as the Beatles you dont really need to tour...**** I wouldn't :thumb:

[magicbus]

I checked out American Beauty. I liked Truckin'.

[Schyma]

Thats different. In a political debate, you can say "i have the facts right here that so and so did a better job, they are irrefutable truths." if anyone said "it is a fact that pink floyd is the greatest band ever" people would call them an idiot.



He did make reasonable points, but its just as easy to say "hey, you should check out the Dead, they're really awesome." Also, him just saying "The Dead are better than Pink Floyd" won't (hopefully) convince you. You'd have to listen to them and make up your own mind. Which can be done by avoiding the argument with a lot less hassle than if you do it through the argument.

No its much more fun to rant at each other by the way nice title Across the Universe is so great :thumb:

[Schyma]

I checked out American Beauty. I liked Truckin'.

Who doesn't??

[Woodstock]

Box of Rain is my favorite off American Beauty.

[RockAndRoll]

I love that song.

[Badmoon]

I prefer "Sugar Magnolia" and "Ripple/Brokedown Palace" (I play those two as one usually).

[RockAndRoll]

Sugar Magnolia is pure brilliance, I also think Ramble on Rose is brilliant.

[Badmoon]

Yeah, that's a great song. I really like "China Cat Sunflower"'s time signatures.

[StreetlightRock]

You know... did any of us concider Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Johny Cash or Buddy Holly for the poll?

DVG.

[guitrguy]

I'm pretty sure Elvis is one of the polls, but the others you would have to ask Rock not Roll about.

[Woodstock]

Were the Doobie Brothers on the list? I don't remember seeing them.

[Kingofdudes]

Were the Doobie Brothers on the list? I don't remember seeing them.
Group 3

Mountain
John Lennon
Kiss
Jimi Hendrix Experience
Blind Faith
Alice Cooper
Fleetwood Mac
Guns N Roses
Queen
The Doobie Brothers

yep

[Woodstock]

Me=Blind. Thanks.

[Woodstock]

I found this website. classicrockforums.com

I might join.

[Schyma]

I prefer "Sugar Magnolia" and "Ripple/Brokedown Palace" (I play those two as one usually).

Ripple is good I like the hiddin track version of it better (#17 on Beauty)
Hated Sugar Magnolia the vocals are very annoying

[jpj]

You know... did any of us concider Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Johny Cash or Buddy Holly for the poll?

DVG.
Isn't Johny Cash more country than rock?

[drugstore cowboy]

yeah, i would have liked to see buddy holly on one of those lists..don't know how well he'd fare though =p

to throw out a question, anyone here a fan of leon russel?

[Broken Arrow]

I havent't been here in a long time.....3 days

I missed 4 of the Polls however I will be voting for Buffalo Springfeild in the upcoming one.


Anything to get Neil in to the top.


Floyd>Grateful Dead

[Broken Arrow]

Oh yeah I also found this cool country/Bluegrass remix of the Wall done by this country band speaking of Floyd and The Grateful Dead.

If anyone wants some songs I'll send them to you on AIM

My dad had the C.D.

[Schyma]

Anyone home?

[lunch998]

Yes.

[Broken Arrow]

Yeah this is slow today.........so lets list bands better then the Grateful Dead

[Schyma]

Hey Im making a mix CD... I've got
Heroin, Velvet Underground
White Rabbit, Jefferson Airplane
Harvest Moon, Neil Young
Cinaminn Girl, CSN&Y
Rud Mude and Texas Flood, Stevie Ray
What else should I download?

[lunch998]

Traffic - Mr. Fantasy.

[lunch998]

Yeah this is slow today.........so lets list bands better then the Grateful Dead

So , just start naming any band you can think of.
:lol:

[Schyma]

Anyone else listin to Roy Harper or is it just me?

[Dark Hero]

Yeah this is slow today.........so lets list bands better then the Grateful Dead

Brittany Spears. ;)

[MalcolmYoungRock]

LOL LEIK GOOD CHARLOTTE IS SO BETTER THAN GRATEFUL DEAD LOL!

No.

[lunch998]

Ouch, even I felt that one. We pick on the Grateful Dead too much, even though it is commical.

[Schyma]

Anyone else listin to Roy Harper or is it just me?

Just you

[MalcolmYoungRock]

My English teacher is a Dead-head and my old math teacher followed them around the country when he was young. I have cool teachers.

[lunch998]

Just you

Yea, just you. Though I did enjoy his vocals on Have A Cigar.

[lunch998]

My English teacher is a Dead-head and my old math teacher followed them around the country when he was young. I have cool teachers.

All my teachers are annoying and non-hippie. **** them.

[MalcolmYoungRock]

All my teachers are annoying and non-hippie. **** them.

Hahaha.

You and your non-hippie teachers.

Oh, and my science teacher is a Led-Head :)

[Schyma]

I really think this guy can compare to the Bob Dylan though. I guess no has herd Stormcock?

[Schyma]

My Geo. teacher let us listin to Santana today..

[lunch998]

Hahaha.

You and your non-hippie teachers.

Oh, and my science teacher is a Led-Head :)

You're so lucky. Only a few of teahcers in my school have ever commented on my Jimi Hendrix or Led Zeppelin t-shirts.

Actually I had a science teacher, well more like an assistant teacher for a few months who was into classic rock. He used to call me John, Ringo, Keith, or Mitch cause I told him I was a drummer.

[lunch998]

Classic rock lets you relate with older people. All my dad's friends see my Zep shirt and they say "Oh man Stairway to Heaven is such a great song." I just smile and nod but in my head I'm thinking "Wow this person was around when Zeppelin was and they are still a Zeppelin Noob."

[Schyma]

List:
Heroin, Velvet Underground
White Rabbit, Jefferson Airplane
Harvest Moon, Neil Young
Cinaminn Girl, CSN&Y
Rud Mude and Texas Flood, Stevie Ray
Traffic, Mr. Fantasy

Anymore?

[lunch998]

Traffic is the band, Mr. Fantasy is the song.

[lunch998]

CCR - Bad Moon Rising.

[Schyma]

Traffic is the band, Mr. Fantasy is the song.

I know

[thickasabrick]

whats with your list schyma?

i have a couple teachers who are into good music, although some are still nerdy. my math teacher is the hugest stones fan you will ever see, he has their posters all over his room, and he named his kid Jagger.
my creative writing teacher is a beatnik pothead, shes cool and we talk about bob dylan a lot.

edit- oh a cd, i understand.

[jpj]

Hendix-Freedom and VooDoo Chile
possibly my new favorite songs

EDIT:You guys are lucky. All of my teachers are so old their generation came before classic rock.

[thickasabrick]

so yesterday i went to the music store, they had the Blonde on Blonde cd for ten bucks, and the record for thirty. im thinking of getting the record, but i dont wanna pay that much. what would you guys do? (and dont say like "i dont have a record player" if you dont, just pretend you do)

[Schyma]

whats with your list schyma?

i have a couple teachers who are into good music, although some are still nerdy. my math teacher is the hugest stones fan you will ever see, he has their posters all over his room, and he named his kid Jagger.
my creative writing teacher is a beatnik pothead, shes cool and we talk about bob dylan a lot.

edit- oh a cd, i understand.

Yea have any suggestions?

[jpj]

CCR-born on the bayou
Gov't Mule-Thorazine Shuffle, Peace Pipe

[thickasabrick]

Yea have any suggestions?

i would suggest My God - Jethro Tull, but im not sure if you like them or not...some people dont.

[Schyma]

Heroin, Velvet Underground
White Rabbit, Jefferson Airplane
Harvest Moon, Neil Young
Cinaminn Girl, CSN&Y
Rud Mude and Texas Flood, Stevie Ray
Traffic - Mr. Fantasy.
CCR - Bad Moon Rising.
Hendix-Freedom (I have most of his songs but I dont think I ve herd this 1.)
My God - Jethro Tull (Ill try it)
CCR-born on the bayou
Gov't Mule-Thorazine Shuffle, Peace Pipe

[Schyma]

Has anyone herd Stormcock Roy Harper's album?

[jpj]

SRV-Scuttlebuttin
Jethro Tull-Bungle in the Jungle

And no.

[Schyma]

so yesterday i went to the music store, they had the Blonde on Blonde cd for ten bucks, and the record for thirty. im thinking of getting the record, but i dont wanna pay that much. what would you guys do? (and dont say like "i dont have a record player" if you dont, just pretend you do)

steal it :)

[RNR]

So what are we suggesting sounds for?

*lazy* ++

[Schyma]

SRV-Scuttlebuttin
Jethro Tull-Bungle in the Jungle

And no.

Already have Bungle in the Jungle but Ill try Scuttlebuttin

[jpj]

Steve Miller-Shubada Du Ma Ma

[thickasabrick]

i remember when i used to make cds, i would always spend like two hours picking the right songs to fit the maximum amount of songs i like on one cd, and right when i tried to burn them, my computer would shut down. it was so frustrating.

i made a cd the other day with i think eight songs taking up an eighty minute disc.

[RNR]

Get...

Neil Young- Mansion On The Hill
Lynard Skynard- That Smell
The Allman Brothers- Gambler's roll

*helped*

*leaves*

[Schyma]

SRV-Scuttlebuttin
Jethro Tull-Bungle in the Jungle

And no.

You should download "The Same Old Rock" Its got a badass Jimmy page solo(acoustic) with absolutly amazing lyrics.

[thickasabrick]

hey i noticed the band Canned Heat was on the classic rock bands poll...
i have only heard one song of theirs and i liked it, and they were one of jim morrisons favourite bands..does anyone know some more good songs of theirs.

im not sure which song i have heard, he sings falsetto kinda (although he may always do that for all i know) and it has a flute type thing in it

[jpj]

You should download "The Same Old Rock" Its got a badass Jimmy page solo(acoustic) with absolutly amazing lyrics.
Is It Roy Harper?

[drugstore cowboy]

speaking of teachers, my american history teacher is an old hippie as well...wears "colourful" shirts and ties...he quote the stage announcements from woodstock.."you've got to know that the man beside you is your brother, and you **** well treat him that way"...calls me "jimi" =p and some other girl in our class "tina" as in turner...

joe cocker - a little help from my friends
the who - naked eye
csny - country girl...awesome harmonies
as long as we're talking about the Dead =p...Casey Jones

[RNR]

I wish I had a hippie teacher. I bet he would let me listen to The Grateful Dead in class.

[Schyma]

Is It Roy Harper?

Yes

[thickasabrick]

yesterday i was teaching guitar lessons, and this one really little guy (in grade 3) seemed totally uninterested in the stuff i was teaching (i would be too). so i asked him what kind of music he listens to..and he replies "rock". so im thinking "oh great, now i gotta teach this kid some blink 182 and simple plan songs". so i ask him who his favourite band is...he replies "Rush". i was very suprised. i tell him im a fan too..and he hits me with such knowledge that i was blown on my @ss. i was pretty impressed.

when did you guys start listening to classic rock? i started in grade six with the Stones.

[drugstore cowboy]

yeah, my teacher's pretty big on steve winwood and the beatles..let it be album all the time...i don't know if i want to get let it be naked or not..

[jpj]

The Eighth Grade with Steve Miller and Led Zeppelin

I couldn't find the Harper song you suggested, but I downloaded a song called Song of the Ages and it was like a symphony :confused:

[RNR]

yesterday i was teaching guitar lessons, and this one really little guy (in grade 3) seemed totally uninterested in the stuff i was teaching (i would be too). so i asked him what kind of music he listens to..and he replies "rock". so im thinking "oh great, now i gotta teach this kid some blink 182 and simple plan songs". so i ask him who his favourite band is...he replies "Rush". i was very suprised. i tell him im a fan too..and he hits me with such knowledge that i was blown on my @ss. i was pretty impressed.

when did you guys start listening to classic rock? i started in grade six with the Stones.

****ing grade 8. With Ac/dc and Led Zeppelin.

:upset:

[MalcolmYoungRock]

Grade 6. I started with Ac/Dc and van halen. Then moved on.

[Schyma]

6th with Doors

[lunch998]

Yea well grade 7-8 was when I got back into it, with Led Zeppelin. From Ages 1-9 my favorite Band was The Who.

[lunch998]

I've only really started getting into decent music in the last 18 months.


*is 16 now*


:upset:

Hey it's never too later man. Keep your chin up.

[Schyma]

The Eighth Grade with Steve Miller and Led Zeppelin

I couldn't find the Harper song you suggested, but I downloaded a song called Song of the Ages and it was like a symphony :confused:

Thats a song Im downloading at the time. Any good? What download program do you have?

[keep on phishin']

I started listening to the good stuff in 9th Grade


Better late than never though.

[the mighty zep]

I've only really started getting into decent music in the last 18 months.


*is 16 now*


:upset:

dam, only 16 and got a post count like that? how long have you been here?!

but seriously, ive only been listening for a little over a year too, and im 16 too. And good work on the Featured Artist things, i would do one but i dont want to take any glory away from you...itd look like id be greedy for respect.

and now to get on some topic of classic rock, I recently got three beatles albums, my first ones beside Beatles 1. Sgt Peppers, Revolver, and Rubber Soul. I havent yet checked on when these albums came out (early or late beatles material), but they are a lot better than i thought. I orignally heard just their good songs on 1, like Come Together, Day Tripper, and Get Back, but these albums really impressed me. Sgt Peppers was very good, but still not deserving enough to be #1 on RS top 500 album list.

But whatever, but i say as a former 'not big fan' of the beatles, to give some of their albums a try first before judging them like that.

[magicbus]

Jeeeez. A lot today:

Some of my teachers like classic rock (one likes Robin Trower, another Zeppelin)
I like Bad Moon Rising.
I'd check out Fire by Jimi Hendrix, or Fame by David Bowie (for the mix)
I've never listened to Roy Harper.
I've talked with my dad's friends about music before. Me and one guy were discussing Tommy, and how great Townsend is for writing a concept album.
This only covers page 427.

I started with Zeppelin in 10th grade. Now I'm in 12th. So whatever.

[Schyma]

Is that why you like Zeppelin so much? Sorry couldn't resist...

[magicbus]

No actually I don't really like them much anymore. Good try though.

[thickasabrick]

it took me a while to get into zeppelin...i went through my cheesy eighties bands phase in grade eight...and yes of course it started with Stairway. that wast the only zeppelin song i knew for like three months straight of listening to it, thank god i moved on.

[lunch998]

There is nothing wrong with Zeppelin, just because they are the first Classic rock band people get into doesn't mean that they are bad by any means. I can dislike Stairway because it was Heartbreaker that got me into Zeppelin, not Stairway.

[Schyma]

No actually I don't really like them much anymore. Good try though.

I was talking to the mighty zep

I have never been a fan I just cant stand plant's voice

[drugstore cowboy]

when i was pretty young, on long car rides we would listen to early beatles...most i think my mom just taped, some probably came from the anthology 1, maybe...so that's sorta where i got began, though i really got into classic rock from a friend who introduced me to floyd, and lynyrd skynyrd...neil young, too...that was probably grade eight..

edit: and i'm in grade 11 now, so yeah...

[the mighty zep]

Everybody goes through that first classic rock 'Zeppelin' Stage. Most people adore them, and talk about how great they are and will seriously listen to their CDs over and over and over again. Then they occasionally get turned on to this older music, ask their parents for more, like Floyd, AC/DC, whatever...and then its all good from their.

If Zeppelin can get all them kids to change for the better, props to them. They are dam near close to the best band, but only argueably in my book. Theres still alot to be explored, even for people listening to it for over 5 years.

how every person is turned on to classic rock by only Zeppelin all the time, i dont know, but hell...their doing a great job

[magicbus]

I was talking to the mighty zep

I have never been a fan I just cant stand plant's voice
Alright.

I started with Dazed and Confused. Still probably my favorite Zeppelin song.

[Schyma]

I guess but damm....I just dont see whats so great about them (their sound)

[lunch998]

I guess but damm....I just dont see whats so great about them (their sound)

There's something about them that I really like and makes me enjoy listening to them. Maybe it's Bonham.

[RockAndRoll]

I like zeppelin.

[Woodstock]

The Grateful Dead are a great band. There is no reason to rip on them.

I started in 7 grade with Zeppelin and now I'm in 9 grade.

[lunch998]

The Grateful Dead are a great band. There is no reason to rip on them.

I started in 7 grade with Zeppelin and now I'm in 9 grade.

We were just having a joke at the expense of Badmoon.

[RNR]

I like plenty of music that somebody who is far past their Zeppelin stage likes. But they're stil one of my favorite bands.

And we've serously been over this about 4 times before :(

[Woodstock]

We were just having a joke at the expense of Badmoon.
Even so, I like the Grateful Dead so shut up :p

[Woodstock]

I like plenty of music that somebody who is far past their Zeppelin stage likes. But they're stil one of my favorite bands.

And we've serously been over this about 4 times before :(
I never listen to Zeppelin anymore, its weird. I guess I'm completely past them.

[godigoy]

The band that i first listened to was ACDC and Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin was after them but the first time I heard Stairway To Heaven, I knew classic rock would be my interest

[lunch998]

Even so, I like the Grateful Dead so shut up :p

Ok, Mother. Gees, Woodstock is Mr. No-fun. :p

[RNR]

The basic classic rock gateway bands are:

Led Zeppelin
Ac/dc
Pink Floyd (though not for all because of the mellow yet brilliant sound)
Black Sabbath
...and the beatles of course.

My first classic rock band was Tom Petty ;) at age 3. He zwns.

[Schyma]

Heroin, Velvet Underground
White Rabbit, Jefferson Airplane
Harvest Moon, Neil Young
Cinaminn Girl, CSN&Y
Rud Mude and Texas Flood,Scuttlebuttin, Stevie Ray
Traffic - Mr. Fantasy.
CCR - Bad Moon Rising.
Hendix-Freedom
My God - Jethro Tull
CCR-born on the bayou
Gov't Mule-Thorazine Shuffle, Peace Pipe
Neil Young- Mansion On The Hill
Lynard Skynard- That Smell
The Allman Brothers- Gambler's roll
Steve Miller-Shubada Du Ma Ma
joe cocker - a little help from my friends
the who - naked eye
csny - country girl...awesome harmonies
Fame by David Bowie

Finale List thanx for the help

[RNR]

If you want, add The Jeff Healey Band- Full Circle, Cruel Little Number and I Can't Get My Hands On You. Best decision you will ever make (or atleast in the last hour or so ;)).

[lunch998]

Should be a good CD.

[Schyma]

OK I add

[Schyma]

Everone should download "The Same Old Rock"(Roy Harper)!!!!

[magicbus]

I didn't know if you'd like that bowie song, just thought its worth a shot. Its pretty "funky".

[jpj]

Thats a song Im downloading at the time. Any good? What download program do you have?
I have Kazaa and it was entertaining. Not exactly what I expected.

EDIT: I just bought Neil Young & Crazyhorse Live Rust used for $5.99 :)
/is a happy camper :D

[Schyma]

download Soulseek its so much better

[Badmoon]

I like Limewire the most.

[jpj]

:angry: Kazaa licks balls. I can't find any songs :angry:

[Badmoon]

Heroin, Velvet Underground
White Rabbit, Jefferson Airplane
Harvest Moon, Neil Young
Cinaminn Girl, CSN&Y
Rud Mude and Texas Flood,Scuttlebuttin, Stevie Ray
Traffic - Mr. Fantasy.
CCR - Bad Moon Rising.
Hendix-Freedom
My God - Jethro Tull
CCR-born on the bayou
Gov't Mule-Thorazine Shuffle, Peace Pipe
Neil Young- Mansion On The Hill
Lynard Skynard- That Smell
The Allman Brothers- Gambler's roll
Steve Miller-Shubada Du Ma Ma
joe cocker - a little help from my friends
the who - naked eye
csny - country girl...awesome harmonies
Fame by David Bowie

Finale List thanx for the help

What is this list of?

[Schyma]

Soulseek is an ad-free, spyware-free, just plain free file sharing application. It kicks KaZaA's *** any day. With Soulseek, there's virtually no mis-labelings, so no need to worry about downloading Michael Jackson's Thriller instead of Metallica's Enter Sandman, or vice versa. Plus, you can download entire albums at a time (well, one song at a time of course). You need to try it for yourself. Ritalin M. Popsicle showed me the light, and now I'm showing you.
Download SoulSeek Now!

Friend's advertisment^

http://www.slsknet.org/

[Schyma]

Also you can get endless ammount of songs

*Like you want*

[Schyma]

Jpj download soulseek man

[jpj]

I might. I'm gonna have to run it by my brother first because he's Mr. computer-man.

[Schyma]

its free its good its should be downloaded

[guitrguy]

Make sure you scan it before you unzip it. Also I dont suggest P2P because its opens up your firewall, making you vulnerable to hackers, trojans, and spyware.

[thickasabrick]

i used kazaa but my computer got messed up...of course everyone blamed kazaa, so now im using winmx and my computer is still messed up and everyone is blaming winmx.

i liked kazaa more though because it was faster and had more choices on it.

[guitrguy]

Its beacause they are P2P systems, which open up your computer. They're almost like an open door into your computer. I have a program called Rahpsody. It is sponsored by Best Buy. All you have to do is pay $10 a month and you can listen to music all day online (because the songs you download are saved on their servers). Its legit and it hasn't not caused me problems like Kazaa, and Winmx has done to me in the past.

[enpsychopedia]

Heroin, Velvet Underground
White Rabbit, Jefferson Airplane
Harvest Moon, Neil Young
Cinaminn Girl, CSN&Y
Rud Mude and Texas Flood,Scuttlebuttin, Stevie Ray
Traffic - Mr. Fantasy.
CCR - Bad Moon Rising.
Hendix-Freedom
My God - Jethro Tull
CCR-born on the bayou
Gov't Mule-Thorazine Shuffle, Peace Pipe
Neil Young- Mansion On The Hill
Lynard Skynard- That Smell
The Allman Brothers- Gambler's roll
Steve Miller-Shubada Du Ma Ma
joe cocker - a little help from my friends
the who - naked eye
csny - country girl...awesome harmonies
Fame by David Bowie

Finale List thanx for the help



im know im joining this party a little late, ( :upset: ) but could i make a few suggestions? please? its good to know not everyone here is a total metalhead.......(not that theyres anything wrong with that, its just not everyones cup of tea).

anyway, if someone would be nice enough to reply to the n00b, i have some ideas

[thickasabrick]

man the voting for group seven was tough...some good bands in there.

[godigoy]

man the voting for group seven was tough...some good bands in there.



PETER FRAMPTON THE WAH WAH WAH YOU CAN NEVEER FORGET ABOUT THAT!

[Schyma]

Yea sure whats on your mind^

[thickasabrick]

im know im joining this party a little late, ( :upset: ) but could i make a few suggestions? please? its good to know not everyone here is a total metalhead.......(not that theyres anything wrong with that, its just not everyones cup of tea).

anyway, if someone would be nice enough to reply to the n00b, i have some ideas

he's probably already started making it...it might be too late. lets hear what you have to say anyway, clever name by the way.

[enpsychopedia]

he's probably already started making it...it might be too late. lets hear what you have to say anyway, clever name by the way.


mucho gracias, for the compliment, it made my day.

the rolling stones - brown sugar
eric clapton - before you accuse me
the guess who - american woman (canadian ++)

just off the top of my head.

oh, thichasabrick, because you dont eem to have deep-lying hatred for n00bs, could you tell me how to change my name BENEATH my regular name? i dont want "enpsychpedia" twice. thanks in advance

[guitrguy]

Go to user CP and go to edit profile and change you user title.

[enpsychopedia]

Go to user CP and go to edit profile and change you user title.


thanks a lot

btw, kickin' avatar :thumb:

[guitrguy]

No problem and thanks.


One tip: Try to keep spam to a minimum

[thickasabrick]

mucho gracias, for the compliment, it made my day.

the rolling stones - brown sugar
eric clapton - before you accuse me
the guess who - american woman (canadian ++)

just off the top of my head.

oh, thichasabrick, because you dont eem to have deep-lying hatred for n00bs, could you tell me how to change my name BENEATH my regular name? i dont want "enpsychpedia" twice. thanks in advance

i've only been here for a short while so i still consider myself a noob, and i think someone answered your question

[RockAndRoll]

Stupid Polls. Why must I chose when I love them all? WHy can't we just all learn to get along!

[guitrguy]

Its like trying to chose who your favorite child is.

[thickasabrick]

im sure we've talked about this before but more people have joined recently so lets hear their opinions...

who do you guys like more the earlier beatles (up to and including 65) or the later beatles (66 to till they broke up)

i prefer the later, i think they focused more on writing better songs instead of trying to be the big craze.

[guitrguy]

I like them all. But my favorite album is Revolver.

[RNR]

Stupid Polls. Why must I chose when I love them all? WHy can't we just all learn to get along!

Because I want to force you to pick one and feel bad about not picking another *:evil: ++*

[enpsychopedia]

I reeealy like the beatles, as you can tell from the avatar. Revolver is an awesome album, "Taxman" has got to be one of the best song of all time, IMO. gotta love george harrison's solo in that. Its a pity they broke up.

[RockAndRoll]

Because I want to force you to pick one and feel bad about not picking another *:evil: ++*
I knew you were behind this! You love hating hippy! :eek:

[Schyma]

mucho gracias, for the compliment, it made my day.

the rolling stones - brown sugar
eric clapton - before you accuse me
the guess who - american woman (canadian ++)

just off the top of my head.

oh, thichasabrick, because you dont eem to have deep-lying hatred for n00bs, could you tell me how to change my name BENEATH my regular name? i dont want "enpsychpedia" twice. thanks in advance

Ill use

eric clapton - before you accuse me
the guess who - american woman (canadian ++)

dont really like eric clapton or the guess who but Ill put them on anyway...thanx for the help also Rock what the ones you proposed?

[RockAndRoll]

What's the list for?

[Schyma]

he's probably already started making it...it might be too late. lets hear what you have to say anyway, clever name by the way.

Not really my connection sux balls this will take me days :upset:

[Schyma]

Mix

[RockAndRoll]

Black water is a good song, and I'm listening to it. But i'm off now so bye.

[Schyma]

Finale List (maybe some changes tomarrow)

Heroin, Velvet Underground
White Rabbit, Jefferson Airplane
Harvest Moon, Neil Young
Cinaminn Girl, CSN&Y
Rud Mude and Texas Flood,Scuttlebuttin, Stevie Ray
Traffic - Mr. Fantasy.
CCR - Bad Moon Rising.
Hendix-Freedom
My God - Jethro Tull
CCR-born on the bayou
Gov't Mule-Thorazine Shuffle, Peace Pipe
Neil Young- Mansion On The Hill
Lynard Skynard- That Smell
The Allman Brothers- Gambler's roll
Steve Miller-Shubada Du Ma Ma
joe cocker - a little help from my friends
the who - naked eye
csny - country girl...awesome harmonies
Fame by David Bowie
eric clapton - before you accuse me
the guess who - american woman
The Jeff Healey Band- Full Circle, Cruel Little Number and I Can't Get My Hands On You.

[thickasabrick]

hey Rock Not Roll im going away for a few days...is it possible for me to know the next polls for the Classic Rock dealy and just tell you what i want to vote now?? can i do that?

[Badmoon]

Post um, I'll give up my vote :)

[thickasabrick]

does anyone know the next groups?

edit- and thank you badmoon...i will write a song about you when im gone, i will call it "badmoon349 rising."

[andy]

i love classic rock!

[thickasabrick]

i love classic rock!

WoW wE HaVe sO mUcH iN coMmon!!11@@!1 LOLZZZ.

i havent noticed anyone coming in this thread just to say that classic rock sucks...did people used to do that when this thread was new?

so does anyone know the next groups for the Classic Rock Polls? i tried looking at the original thread but i think he has changed them, because all of group eight was different.

[Seafroggys]

I just bought Deep Purple in Rock on CD today ($12).

Tis so awesome. Deep Purple owns Zeppelin or any other hard rock band anyday. Every song kicked *** (Child in Time and Living Wreck are the best though).

[clown_phobia]

does anyone think they hear hendrix chewing his pick on "if 6 was 9"?

[Archie]

ok ok, i admit it, i'm a classic rock nut. i love led zeppelin, the beatles, the who, eric clapton, the doors, and so on. most of the bands i listen to broke up years before i was born. at 17, nearly every song on my playlist is older than me. but is it just my imagination, or is classic rock experiencing sort of a revival. i am running into an increasing number of classic rock fans my age. at my school (an all boys high school), the school newspaper took a poll of everyone's favorite genre and band. led zeppeling got 5th and the beatles got 6th, behind that rap crap. classic rock made up a large percent of ppls favorite genre. is this just by me, or are other ppl noticing this too?

o and for u classic rock fans, the crime of the new century was that the Yardbirds new CD, Birdland, recieved no attention at all. that deserved a grammy, or 6.

so are there any other classic rock fans out there, and even if ur not, have u been noticing somewhat of a revival in interest for that sort of music?


I soo agree with you. Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd, Led Zepplin, The Eagles, etc. I love classic heavy rock. There is something special about it, that the music of today just lacks.

:thumb:

[Whatever]

Reason classic rock is coming back: a lot of people still smoke pot. there is little drug-influenced music nowadays, so stoners listen to classic rock. potheads are popular in school, so people copy them.

[Paranoidd]

That's pretty inaccurate.

There is a ton of drug-induced music nowadays.

[Paranoidd]

I just bought Deep Purple in Rock on CD today ($12).

Tis so awesome. Deep Purple owns Zeppelin or any other hard rock band anyday. Every song kicked ***

You've obviously not heard their entire discography...it's really not the same without Gillian or Blackmore.

[guitrguy]

That's pretty inaccurate.

There is a ton of drug-induced music nowadays.
Most groups today usually have song that the sing about drugs.

[Paranoidd]

The best of those being Queens of the Stone Age's "The Feel Good Hit Of The Summer"

The lyrics (in their entirety) consist of:

"Nicotine, valium, vicadent, marijuana, ecstasy and alcohol.....co-co-co-co-co-cocaiiiiiiiiine"

I think thats how it goes.

[Seafroggys]

You've obviously not heard their entire discography...it's really not the same without Gillian or Blackmore.

I have heard more. I've listened to their first two albums (forgot what it was called, but they were full of covers; had a cool version of We can Work it OUt), DPiR, and Made in Japan. They are **** spiffy I tell you.

[jpj]

I was listening to my new Neil & Crazyhorse CD, and he really does some killer electric work on it. I love Hey, Hey, My, My(Into the Black) and a Like a Hurricane.

[Broken Arrow]

Nobody want s country floyd??


And I voted for Cream and Buffalo springfeild.


I am glad to see so many Neil fans these days.

Cinnamon Girl is by Neil Young not CSN&Y.

[Broken Arrow]

I once reviewed Deep Purple in Rock.

You havent even heard Machine Head.

Zeppelin owns Deep Purple.

Am, I the only one here thats still listens to Zeppelin??

[Paranoidd]

I still do. I also say that Zeppelin owns Deep Purple.

Machinehead is easily my favorite Deep Purple album, simply because it has Lazy on it, which is one of my favorite tracks ever.

[jpj]

I listen to Zeppelin all the time. And they pwn Deep Purple so bad.

[Broken Arrow]

Deep Purple was very good live though!!

Gillan stills sounds nearly the exact same.

[jpj]

Zeppelin was good live too, but I've never seen or heard Deep Purple live so I can't say if they were better.

[Broken Arrow]

Meh...........I wonder if Badmoon will want some Bluegrass/Country version of the Wall.

[the mighty zep]

I once reviewed Deep Purple in Rock.

You havent even heard Machine Head.

Zeppelin owns Deep Purple.

Am, I the only one here thats still listens to Zeppelin??

Machine Heads a great album! I think every instrument has at least 3 solos through the whole thing. I was pretty surprised when i first got that album...it was my first Deep Purple, and the guitarist didnt do one solo with disortion. Still great though. Lazy, highway Star, and Smoke on the Water are some of the best songs ive ever heard. the only one i dont like that much is Maybe im a Leo.

Whoever said Deep Purple owns Zeppelin really hasnt heard enough of any music.

And someone asked me why i like Zeppelin so much, and what i responded wasnt answering their question, but directed to some on else...i think, i dont remember. But really, i just love there range of style, from acoustic to hard rock, and blues, though i didnt like them much after Physical Griffiti. Even though Jimmy wasnt the fastest most insane guitarist ever, he was still incredible. he truley mastered the guitar, from over 10 or 15 different tunings, ranging from acoustic 12 string to double neck gibsons, and could get any sound he wanted out of it. What i like most about Zeppelin is they didnt play the same exact material at their concerts. Songs like Dazed and Confused, How Many More Times, Black Mountain Side, and We're Gonna Groove are incrdible to watch. Their Bassist is probably one of the best next to Flea and Geddy Lee, and outstanding all-around Musician. Plant had such a wide vocal range, even for people who think its annoying, its still appreciative. and Bonzo is the god of drumming as clapton is to guitar. yes the others are close, but for what he accomplished, its amazing. As a drummer, i know what equipment he uses and unlike neil Peart 100 piece monster set, Bonzo only had a 5 piece set and a single drum pedal and still puts up incredible compition.

That description of Zeppelin came out longer than id expected for a brief summary, but i personally think Pink FLoyd is the best band...just for the record. Zeppelins probably my 3rd fav

[DeusExMachina]

I soo agree with you. Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd, Led Zepplin, The Eagles, etc. I love classic heavy rock. There is something special about it, that the music of today just lacks.

:thumb:


Pink Floyd... heavy?? They're not really all that heavy, more just psychedelic and super laid back. And I haven't heard much by The Eagles, but I wouldn't classify what I've heard as heavy...

[the mighty zep]

Pink Floyd and the eagles defintaly dont qualify as heavy.

[Broken Arrow]

Who is your 3rd favourite band Mighty Zep??

[jpj]

Meh...........I wonder if Badmoon will want some Bluegrass/Country version of the Wall.
I wouldn't mind listening to it.

[MalcolmYoungRock]

Blue Grass and Country you say??

That's gotta be interesting.

[Broken Arrow]

oh yeah.

They do all the songs on the album "The Wall"

[Seafroggys]

Hmmm, I haven't heard enough of music? I would think you'd say something like that to someone who thinks AC/DC and/or Zeppelin are Gods above all else (the newbs). I would think that someone who liked Deep Purple for more then just Smoke on the Water probably knows what they are talking about.

You're right, I haven't heard a lot of Zeppelin. I've only listened to II and VI. I must say, though, early DP wasn't all that great. But Deep Purple in Rock is seriously great though.

(Abbey Road is still the best by far)

[MalcolmYoungRock]

The Pink Floyd album right?

[Schyma]

I am not sure if your here but heres thee list:

Group 8

Eric Clapton
Thin Lizzy
The Yardbirds
Cheap Trick
Rod Stewart
Bob Dylan
Chicago
Led Zeppelin
The Eagles
Blue Cheer

Me is gonna vote for thy Yardbirds or Bob Dylan
*Zeppelin must die*(which wont happen)

[keep on phishin']

I'll be voting for Eric Clapton

[Broken Arrow]

The Pink Floyd album right?
Yes sir!

I'll vote for Bob

[Broken Arrow]

Also I think Neil will make it on because he is pitted against pretty bad competition.

[the mighty zep]

Who is your 3rd favourite band Mighty Zep??

Zeppelin, i said that in my last post.

1. Pink Floyd
2. Rush
3. Led Zeppelin
4. The Who (mostly because of Quadrophenia)
5. Guns N Roses
6. The Doors
7. Lynyrd Skynyrd
8. The Beatles
9. AC/DC
10. RHCP

[Broken Arrow]

I like alot of those bands.

Not soo much Lynyrd Skynyrd though.

Also not much Guns and Roses

[jpj]

I'll be voting for The Yardbirds.

[Schyma]

Vote Yardbirds...Which one do you like better
Eric Clapton < Jimmy page < Jeff Beck

[the mighty zep]

I like alot of those bands.

Not soo much Lynyrd Skynyrd though.

Also not much Guns and Roses

Them two do have their really bad songs, but they have them couple great songs that make me have to change my mind. If you dont like these bands much but havent heard any of these songs...

Guns N Roses - Civil War; Sweet Child O Mine; Dust N Bones; or You Could Be Mine.

Lynyrd Skynyrd - Freebird; Yesterday's Gone; Workin for the MCA; That Smell; or Blues Melody if your into really long crazy guitar solos, with ONLY the guitar

Civil war could be one of the best songs ive ever heard, Guns n Roses are too overated on Welcome to the Jungle. Lynyrd Skynyrd are great musicians, but i never had a big thing for Southern music either.

Van Halen could qualify, but they just have too many songs that annoy me. Outragous guitarist though, ill give em that.

[Broken Arrow]

I like the songs Freebird and Tuesdays Gone.

I also have the Cd Appetite for Destruction

[Broken Arrow]

I like them best with Clapton.

I'll trow out another question.

What group has the best singing harmonies??

[jpj]

Vote Yardbirds...Which one do you like better
Eric Clapton < Jimmy page < Jeff Beck
Page>Clapton>Beck

EDIT:actually scratch that I can't decide.

[the mighty zep]

Vote Yardbirds...Which one do you like better
Eric Clapton < Jimmy page < Jeff Beck

Mine would be Clapton>Page>Beck

Ive always appreciated Page as my favorite guitarist, but i do think Clapton is better than him. I think only because Pages style is more sloppy than Claptons. I think they out do beck by a long shot.

I remember my first Yardbirds CD-Roger the Engineer.

I couldnt believe some of the best guitarist around sounded like that! I was expecting crazy guitar solos everywere, and just, great guitar work. After hearing songs like Physco Daisies, He's Always there, and Turn Into Earth, i couldnt believe it. and dont get me started on the Hot House of Omargarshid...that song cracks me up.

I think that CDs a joke, but you know, i still think its pretty good for some reason.

[Schyma]

Beck kills Clapton....

[drugstore cowboy]

They're all good...I like Clapton and Page, though maybe even Page a little more. I'unno. I like Derick and the Dominioes, then Cream, and "Cocaine", but that was John Cale...but needless to say Clapton has some really good stuff to his own name.

JPJ, i love your custom title...it's familiar, though i can't pinpoint where it comes from... =p

What group has the best singing harmonies??
CSNY, definitely..listen to Country Girl off Deja Vu, right before they go into the last section (which is Country Girl)...Goosebumps...i'd call it epic =p

[djaysavage]

I must say there is nothing better than going to a record store and buying an old album you used to listen to with your parents and already knowing all the songs, just sing along.

Dont forget Jefferson Airplane or Steely Dan

[djaysavage]

I also personally think Jackson Browne, Jimmy Buffett, and James Taylor count as classic rock even though they are still doing things today.
What do you guys think?

[magicbus]

I decided to start listening to Zeppelin again like in the last week. I realized that Jimmy Page wasn't the arrogant bastard I thought he was, so I kinda dumped the whole "dislike zeppelin because they're arrogant" thing. Because it was wrong. So I spent some quality time with their dvd this weekend. Its good stuff.

Also the polls were hard! :confused:
I went with Yes and Floyd.

[Broken Arrow]

I think CSN&Y and Cream do. Also the Beatles.

[RNR]

I was listening to my new Neil & Crazyhorse CD, and he really does some killer electric work on it. I love Hey, Hey, My, My(Into the Black) and a Like a Hurricane.

Welcome to my world :) (like a hurricane is the ultimate song with tons of unneccisary solos that are all about 3 minutes long ;)).



I also personally think Jackson Browne, Jimmy Buffett, and James Taylor count as classic rock even though they are still doing things today.
What do you guys think?

Not so much rock. But hey, they're awesome, I like them and that's all that really matters ;)

[Woodstock]

I reeealy like the beatles, as you can tell from the avatar. Revolver is an awesome album, "Taxman" has got to be one of the best song of all time, IMO. gotta love george harrison's solo in that. Its a pity they broke up.
I know this is old, but he needs to know this.

The solo on Taxman was performed by McCartney.

[Woodstock]

I also personally think Jackson Browne, Jimmy Buffett, and James Taylor count as classic rock even though they are still doing things today.
What do you guys think?
James Taylor is great. Great acoustic player and a very recognizable voice.

[Broken Arrow]

Yeah he sang on 2 of Neil's tracks on the album Harvest.

Heart of Gold and Old Man.

[RNR]

You guys should hear Jeff Healey's version of "Harvest". It will zwn ur body lolol

[Broken Arrow]

Sounds very interesting.

I am lstening to Surrealistic Pillow.

[RockAndRoll]

I am listening to Jethro tull - Look into the sun

[the mighty zep]

Dire Straits - Sultans of Swing

[Broken Arrow]

I am listening to Jethro tull - Look into the sun
aare you going to Tull?

[magicbus]

Neil Young - Heart of Gold. I love this song :thumb:

[Broken Arrow]

Ahh yes Neil. What can, what can I say? I think there's 2 more people JPJ and Magicbus that enjoy the amazingness of Neil.

Now there is 4 people all together.

[Woodstock]

Ahh yes Neil. What can, what can I say? I think there's 2 more people JPJ and Magicbus that enjoy the amazingness of Neil.

Now there is 4 people all together.
Not me, darn :rolleyes: .

I swear you need to start a Neil Cult.

[Broken Arrow]

*strokes chin*

Not a bad Idea

[RNR]

That list of 4 people had better include me.

[Broken Arrow]

Your number 2 of course.

[Broken Arrow]

What does evryone think of Hendrix's not so much famous music. I love it and think that it is better then alot of his famous songs(Expeince Hendrix)

[Woodstock]

What does evryone think of Hendrix's not so much famous music. I love it and think that it is better then alot of his famous songs(Expeince Hendrix)
Like what, what is the not famous music?

[Broken Arrow]

The non n00b stuff.

Such as anything not on the Greatest hits.

[RNR]

So like the non-hits on Electric Ladyland and the stuff on Band of Gypsies?

Anyway, I love all Hendrix.

[magicbus]

I like it. Ezy Rider and Power To Love are some of my favorite Hendrix songs. Also House of the Rising Sun.

[Broken Arrow]

Also alot of stuff on Axis bold as Love a

[Woodstock]

All the lesser known stuff on Electric Ladyland is great.

[RNR]

All the lesser known stuff on Electric Ladyland is great.

...says the Neil Young hater.

[Broken Arrow]

Has anyone heard Voodoo Chile Blues?

[Creedence Clearwater]

Has anyone heard Voodoo Chile Blues?

Is that the one that that goes for ever?