(metalcore) Avenged Sevenfold - Waking the Fallen

[FrmAutumn2Ashes9]

CHOOSE YOUR OWN GENRE. DONT ARGUE. OR RIP. OR KILL. thanks.

m shadows - vox
synyster gates - lead
vengeance - rhythm
johnny christ - bass
the rev - drums

produced by mudrock

released - August 26, 2003

this is by far the best cd, i've listened to ever... period. this is their sophomore album, and its a big step (imo...) from their previous "Sounding the 7th Trumpet". The most obvious change is how Shadows has developed his vocals.

tracks

filler... waking the fallen - kind of a filler... leads into track two. gosh did Atreyu's "Blood Children" rip off this big time.

7/10...unholy confessions - the first single off the cd... a video should be released soon, which i dont think will gain too much publicity. starts with a nice harmonized guitar riff... very catchy chorus... not much else to the song.

9/10...chapter four - based off of the story of Cain and Abel from Chapter 4 of the Bible, Genesis. once again, it sort of begins with a harmonized guitar riff, after the ringing of the D G# G, D A A#... then the verse begins.. overdubbed vocals add a nice effect to the song, with one part screaming, the other singing. the chorus then begins... its very triumphant, that being for abel i assume.. next the post chorus, with the anger from Cain begins.. "i close my brothers eyes"... the song ends with an amazing solo...

9/10...remenissions - thats not even a real word. o well. but this song kicks arse. the classical style guitars in the chorus are just amazing.

8/10...desecrate through the reverance - r0ck. hard.

8/10...eternal rest - opening solo is insane. this song may be the hardest one on the album. im sure people will disagree maybe because of the ending. i dontknow.

9/10...second heartbeat - very very catchy song i suppose. the solo at the ending is yet again insane, and shows the true talent of gates. he's not just playing random scales or whatnot. every note he hits, has a purpose.

8/10...radiant eclipse - nice mix of screams and singing. the only track thats tuned to like C# or w/e.

10/10...i wont see you tonight part 1 - 8 minutes of glory. what a song this is. a true epic. pianos, a string section, awesome backing vox, soloes everywhere. whatelse could you ask for.

8/10...part 2 - continuation. MUCH HEAVIER than the first. like how they incorporate the chorus from pt 1 into the song. the solo in this track is chaotic.

7/10...clarivoyent disease - catchy lil song. i dont really know what else to say about it.

8/10...and all things will end - unfortunately this cd ends... but it goes out with a bang. especially for that like 3 minute solo at the end of the song. thats just crazy. this song really shows the A 7 X style.


so yes thats it. of course there will be controversy over whether Waking the Fallen or Sounding the 7th Trumpet is better. its just your opinion. they are both excellent albums from an excellent band. a band that stands out from all the other "rock" today.

[angryyoungnpoor]

Great Cd probably one of the best of 2003 in the genre. However I don't believe they will ever top Sounding the seventh trumpet. That cd just blew the entire genre out of the water.

[Sep]

The songs I've heard of this Cd are simply amazing.

[thursdaythrice]

please finish the review,if your going to start something then finsih it :D

[BuddyBigsby]

Finish later? What the **** are you thinking?


Anyways, when and if you ever finish it, ditch the track-by-track.

PS. Sounding the Seventh Trumpet was metalcore, but Waking the Fallen isn't one bit metalcore. Metal is the best label for it, as it combines elements of every metal sub-genre along with punk.

[Sep]

[QUOTE=BuddyBigsby]Finish later? What the **** are you thinking?


Anyways, when and if you ever finish it, ditch the track-by-track.

PS. Sounding the Seventh Trumpet was metalcore, but Waking the Fallen isn't one bit metalcore. Metal is the best label for it, as it combines elements of every metal sub-genre along with punk.[/QUOTE

There was some punk on STST, but I don't think WTF is punk at all.

[BuddyBigsby]

[QUOTE=BuddyBigsby]
There was some punk on STST, but I don't think WTF is punk at all.

Ok, listen to "Second Heartbeat", or any other song with the "Woaaahhh!"'s.

[brycey]

My friend sent me a few A7X songs recently, and I was blown away by them. They ****ing rock.

[DrummerVin]

Though their first CD definately fell into the metalcore catagory, with it's definite punk and hardcore influences, I would say Waking The Fallen is solid metal, without the "core".

However, this has to be one of, if not the best CD I've ever listened to. Not only this one, but Sounding The 7th Trumpet also. These guys just continue to impress me. Should be seeing them live within the next few months.. Ive never been so psyched for a show before.

They basically became one of my favorite bands overnight. If youre one of the unlucky few that haven't heard them, you're missing out on some incredible music.

[BuddyBigsby]

Though their first CD definately fell into the metalcore catagory, with it's definite punk and hardcore influences, I would say Waking The Fallen is solid metal, without the "core".

However, this has to be one of, if not the best CD I've ever listened to. Not only this one, but Sounding The 7th Trumpet also. These guys just continue to impress me. Should be seeing them live within the next few months.. Ive never been so psyched for a show before.

They basically became one of my favorite bands overnight. If youre one of the unlucky few that haven't heard them, you're missing out on some incredible music.

Ripped every single word right out of my mouth, bravo sir, bravo.

[Juice Head]

A7X is one of the best bands ever. It's way better than Sounding the 7th Trumpet if that's even possible. The singer sounds better and I think he improved. The lead guitaist is amazing. Again, every song is an epic and it just blows my mind. I just saw them live w/ My Chemical Romance and they played I Won't See You Tonight, both parts, and it was insane. buy this cd

[xdeadtomorrowx]

Please change the title. They are not metalcore. They sound NOTHING like metalcore at all. Change it to like Melodic Hardcore because on their new album they went p.ussy on us. Sounding The Seventh Trumphet was SO much better than this album.

FYI - Metalcore is a lot more sludge influenced so they aren't anything like that. Thats why I'm saying change the fricking title.

[BuddyBigsby]

Please change the title. They are not metalcore. They sound NOTHING like metalcore at all. Change it to like Melodic Hardcore because on their new album they went p.ussy on us. Sounding The Seventh Trumphet was SO much better than this album.

FYI - Metalcore is a lot more sludge influenced so they aren't anything like that. Thats why I'm saying change the fricking title.

How is it melodic hardcore? I don't find it to have "core" whatsoever.

[xdeadtomorrowx]

How is it melodic hardcore? I don't find it to have "core" whatsoever.


And you say AX7 is punk because they say "Woah." Please stop. Just that you loose all room to speak your opinion. They aren't metal, they aren't hardcore, they are melodic metal then. They've got really soft slow parts in their songs.

[BuddyBigsby]

And you say AX7 is punk because they say "Woah." Please stop. Just that you loose all room to speak your opinion. They aren't metal, they aren't hardcore, they are melodic metal then. They've got really soft slow parts in their songs.

Whoa there buddy, no need to get hostile, I was trying to be nice to you.

I didn't say they were punk because of the "Woah"'s, I simply highlighted it as evidence of punk influence in their music. As I've said MULTIPLE times, they are metal. I can fly with melodic metal, though, that fits them just about right.

[radianteclipse]

The most punk Avenged Sevenfold has ever been on a song is in "Streets". That song sounds straight up exactly like your typical fast punk song.

[GoM]

^ true

This CD kicks ***. Already in my top 5 CD's all-time....I bought it yesterday, but had known them before

They basically became one of my favorite bands overnight

Amen to that :thumb:

[cbmartinez]

Darkness Surrounding is a brilliant song, the backing vocals work so well. Chapter Four is awesome too. What pisses me off is the ignorant ****s who say they won't listne to hardcore music because "they just scream the whole time, that's not music." If they would listen to this CD, they'd find amazing melodies, catchy guitar riffs and all around kickass songs.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

I think it's a pretty good album. I was gonna see them last weekend but the club got shut down. :upset:

[Interstate]

The guitar intro on Eternal Rest is crazy...thats all that needs to be said.

[guitarfreakguy101]

The guitar intro on Eternal Rest is crazy...thats all that needs to be said

adn so is the outro/solo for "all things will end" and "second hearbeat" i think avenged is going to be around for awhile, they are awesome and their shows, especially the local ones are awesome....

*they started around where i live :cool:

[BuddyBigsby]

adn so is the outro/solo for "all things will end" and "second hearbeat" i think avenged is going to be around for awhile, they are awesome and their shows, especially the local ones are awesome....

*they started around where i live :cool:

You goin' to the HOB show in a couple weeks? Odd Project will be there!

[Floor_13]

Where else will Odd Project be playing? I want to see them live really freakin bad.

I live by Seattle, will they ever play there? Or do they hate Seattle for some reason.

[GoM]

I think Avenged is playing in Seattle, like, tommorrow.....

[BuddyBigsby]

Where else will Odd Project be playing? I want to see them live really freakin bad.

I live by Seattle, will they ever play there? Or do they hate Seattle for some reason.

No tour dates announced at the moment. This is just a one off show.

[Billy]

What pisses me off is the ignorant ****s who say they won't listne to hardcore music because "they just scream the whole time, that's not music." If they would listen to this CD, they'd find amazing melodies, catchy guitar riffs and all around kickass songs.

i agree with u all the way. you listen to unholy confessions and even though one of the verses is the vocalist screaming it fits in with the song perfecly. The beginning of the song he actually sings, and not screams, and thats what i like in metal music, a blend of powerful screams and good singing.

o yeah and sick guitar riffs, bass lines, and drum beats.

[cbmartinez]

Dude, you were lucky to get your hands on the review to this awesome CD, so FINISH IT! It's been like two weeks.

[ScarTissue]

This band has a bright, bright future. Can't wait!

[to_hell_we_ride]

you ever get it when one band turns you on to something that has been deaf to your ears for so long? maybe im a ignorant waste for not noticing them sooner, but ive gotten everyone i know to love this band, just from Unholy Confessions. God, favorite album of all time here

[epip]

haha. u're rite man. so sad tt i bought the CD only a week back. haha

[satanic-panic]

just to let ya all know, avenged sevenfold have signed to warner brother records. so we will see if the big wigs have any say in what the next albums sounds like

[FrmAutumn2Ashes9]

bump. its done. about 6 months later....

[tooloogy101]

i wanna get both cds so badly but more i want Waking The Fallen cuz ive heard that its such a great album and non-stop positive towards this album and ive already heard Chapter 4, Second Heartbeat, and Unholy Confession from this cd and all those songs kick so much A*S!.......ill get it eventually though.....most likely within the next week or so. so please finish the review already. :thumb:

[MakeJobsNotWar]

I got into Avenged Sevenfold through Funeral For a friend the singing was wearing a T-shirt and ive never looked back since. No new metal bands seem to cut it compared.

[Xdrown6in6bileX]

I love this cd, it is amazing. I am going to purchase the other A7X cds when I get the money. My friend Tim used to hate em, until he listened to the cd, and now he loves em which is cool, I hope this band gets the attention they deserve.

[A7X FFAF]

what the hell...this is wierd. all the posts on here are the exact same ones as on the site. exact. real wierd. whatever.kickass CD. AWESOME live show. go buy the new hopless record compilation CD vol. 5....eternal rest live is on it. best band ever. no doubt. so much talent for one band. almost too good. i sound boring but...the fact is, everyone knows this CD is the best ever. so theres no need for me to repeat whats already been said. i love a7x. STST is not as good as waking the fallen, btw. not as much talent, and only one guitarist. listen to "to end the rapture" on STST and then listen to every other song. synyster only played in one song for the band at that point, and it was to end the rapture. thats what he adds. CRAZY SKILL!

[cbmartinez]

In my opinion, STST >>> WTF.

[Sep]

In my opinion, STST >>> WTF.

I completely agree with you. I'm enjoying the songs of STST a lot more.

[mirrorwave]

WTF pretty gud so far, 1st album i';ve bought of theirs, impressive.

Anybody feel like the lyrics are lacking something though?

[cbmartinez]

There lyrics shine on different songs. I personally love the lyrics to "The Art Of Subconscious Illusion" but I personally don't find the lyrics to "Streets" that great. I think overall their lyrical ability is good.

[TemperamentalGoat]

I hated STST, I don't understand what's so great about it. I could go on... but I'll wait for an STST thread.

but this album has to be my favorite recent metal album

[cbmartinez]

There's a review for STST, mine to be precise:

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189377

:D

[mirrorwave]

Listened to more in depth, liking the album, cud be the 1st album to make a huge impression on me since sing the sorrow afi.
Dam unholy confessions, so darn listenable cant get past it. Any1 know if they're gona be touring britain besides reading?

[Gremlin]

I heard a 30 second clip of "Chapter Four", then went out and bought the CD.
This band's taken control of me lol

This CD is just awesome, and they're even BETTER (if that's freakin' possible!) in the live situation.
Great CD.

[Distorted Vision]

Any1 know if they're gona be touring britain besides reading?

You just missed 'em mate, they played the Astoria as a one-off on Wednesday. I was travelling so I missed the show. Hopefully they'll be touring more later on.

[theworldwillneverbeperfect]

well all i've heard about this band is postive reviews. and im about to add another just that theres nothing i can say that hasn't been said already. put simply, they're f***in awesome! i have WTF but i really want STST. i can also play most of the songs on this album except for most of the solos cuz they are freakin CRAZY!!!! btw, i agree, Atreyu's Blood Children is such a rip-off of WTF, though no offense to Atreyu cuz they're awesome too. but when ou listen to it its like a slap in the face rip off.

[holdingfate]

A7X might own my soul

[Arucard]

i bought this album today
all im going to say is this
if u dont get it, i will kill you as it is the best metalcore or w/e album i have ever heard

[punkpba7x]

They are deff my favorite band. They rock so freakin much.

[Shadows]

I'm the only person in the world I know who doesn't like this band. I heard one of their singles - Unholy Confessions I think - but it just didn't appeal to me. For some reason I couldn't get into the music at all.

But since I'm constantly hearing about how amazing they are I might just give them a second chance to see if they have nothing I can relate to.

[Arucard]

the reverand is a really talented drummer he blows joey from slipknot out of the water
fave song on this at the minute is chapter 4

[Arucard]

now my fave song is 'and all things will end' but i bough STST and that is really good too
as good as this

[twenty.five.to.five]

hey, i own both sts(listening to it now :)) and wtf, and both are different, but in my opinion awesome. wtf clearly shows their devlopment as band. i never loved one band for a year... a7x is the first band that i have continously loved since i heard em. i bought a genshen CD (aussie electro band) that my mates brother drums for and the shop dude gave me this hopeless sampler.

on the way home (it was the end of schoolies week) i popped it in the CD player and when chapter four came on i was blown away. i loved it sooo much.i couldnt find wtf anyway so i ordered it in from the music store. and in the last month i bought stst.

if you havnt heard them, please take a listen. there are some downloadable tracks available at www.wakingthefallen.com

please enjoy this awesome band!

[BoboTheRagingHobo]

This is one of my favorite albums as of late, its just to catchy, but also technical and not bland at the same time...

I heard Unholy Confessions, and I went and bought the album. These guys are certainly going to be around for along time if they keep making good music like this. I really can't give any part of this band a bad rap...

[twenty.five.to.five]

m shadows (vocals) says their new CD will be a big change, and they will "lose and gain some fans" i'm so eager to get it!!!! ohh more a7x :)

[Arucard]

yeh but one of the changes is that he can no linger scream he knackered his voice
which is a big shame theyre trying to fix it

[BuddyBigsby]

Only thing they're trying to fix is their wallets.

[Sep]

Only thing they're trying to fix is their wallets.

:lol:

[mirrorwave]

having now had wtf for several months is has surpased most of my cds to enter the status given to the likes of mechanical animals and sing the sorrow as being dam gud darkwave music.

STST isn't as gud as wtf but it ain't half bad either, but certainly a clear developement from it which is certainly an improvment.
The only thing a7x can do now to make me dislike them is turn into either a more punky less meaningful **** fall, which is unlikely or start to mimic metallica. hopefully they won't do either n we'll b saluting their next album asap.

[The Cynic]

Good Cd by a good band. One of my best CD's and I hope thier next one's just as good or better.

[cbmartinez]

Only thing they're trying to fix is their wallets.

You no like-a the Avenged anymore?

[BuddyBigsby]

I still like their music, but just judging from interviews and they way they've been acting the past year or so, it seems like their focus as a band has totally changed.

[Arucard]

yeh i agree. but i still like them. if they go all pop-punk on us i will be very pissed, this album and stst show so much potential, it would be shame for them to go down the pan.

[Sep]

I don't like how they said 'we will lose and gain some fans'. This obviously means they will go more mainstream and radio/MTV friendly.

[Arucard]

yah i get that feeling to....
i really hope they dont, i was ok about there stst change to wtf, but i hope it doesnt get more mainstrem.

[where am i?]

Hey, erm, great CD, but **** review. No offence or anything, but it really is. Your track-by-track doesn't tell me anything. All it does is ramble on about 'insane solos' and describes what happens in the song; 'oh it's the intro, then the verse, then the angry chorus', if you were trying to sell this I would wanna know a lot more.
Also, it doesn't give any criticisms, no matter how good an album is, there has to be some way it could have been improved - it's too obvious that a fan of the band is writing this and not a critic who is able to give constructive criticism...

[cbmartinez]

I don't like how they said 'we will lose and gain some fans'. This obviously means they will go more mainstream and radio/MTV friendly.

It's because they said the new album is going to have a very different sound. Little or no screaming and more of a classic rock vibe. I'll be buying it no matter what, but I'm very apprehensive.

[Habitamatt]

Well all the emo kids <3 avenged sevenfold so they are EMO now, try and persuade emo kids any other way...

[Arucard]

im scared, i want screams, thats what made them a7x

[Sep]

It's because they said the new album is going to have a very different sound. Little or no screaming and more of a classic rock vibe. I'll be buying it no matter what, but I'm very apprehensive.

I also want screams. :(
I loved Shadow's voice on STST, but I'll probably download this when it comes out.

[cbmartinez]

Agreed. Some doctor told him if he continues to scream like that, his voice will be shot in a couple years. Hence the much less generous amounts of screams found on this record.

But after hearing both of the albums, I've decided that you really can't compare them. They are extremely different albums and they both appeal to very different musical tastes. If I were to pick a favorite, I would go with STST. The album still blows me away and gets more revolutions than this one. But I know people who depise the screaming and the whole song style of STST. They love the way his voices sound on this record and the more metal approach this record has. But even though this album is more metal, I think the songs on STST still tend to be more brutal. I just like the fast, heavy movement the songs on STST have, this album just seems a bit slower and drawn out. But I still stand by my original belief that the albums are really incomparable.

[satansfishcake]

These Guys are a screamo band btw just so u know

[cbmartinez]

Actually, they are not one bit screamo.

[Sep]

Agreed. Some doctor told him if he continues to scream like that, his voice will be shot in a couple years. Hence the much less generous amounts of screams found on this record.

But after hearing both of the albums, I've decided that you really can't compare them. They are extremely different albums and they both appeal to very different musical tastes. If I were to pick a favorite, I would go with STST. The album still blows me away and gets more revolutions than this one. But I know people who depise the screaming and the whole song style of STST. They love the way his voices sound on this record and the more metal approach this record has. But even though this album is more metal, I think the songs on STST still tend to be more brutal. I just like the fast, heavy movement the songs on STST have, this album just seems a bit slower and drawn out. But I still stand by my original belief that the albums are really incomparable.

Yes, I also liked the more brutal/raw sound of STST. I also loved it how the songs on STST had pretty much no song structure at all.

[cbmartinez]

Me too. That is another factor, along with the voice, that often causes people to love or hate A7X, as many of my friends have said, "I hate them, they have no song structure." I like it, and it sets them apart from some of the chorus-breakdown-chorus metalcore acts of today.

[BridgeToSolace]

What's stopping them from getting another person to do the screaming? Live and on album.

:confused:

It wouldn't be the same, but it would be something.

[BuddyBigsby]

$$$

[Slipknot_Staind_kix]

Waking The Fallen is definitely a cd to get. My friend got me to listen to them a while back then I went and saw them in Desmoines Iowa in a lil bar. I got pushed up on stage and Shadows let me sing with ihm in Second Heartbeat. Synyster is absolutey F***in amazing!!!!!!!

[cbmartinez]

Eh, I've decided this album does not compare to STST.

[ABeautifulDissonance]

a7x are one the the best bands of today and i really really hope they dont sell out coz that would suck some serious ****. oh well, at least i'd feel no shame in downloading their music.

[BuddyBigsby]

They did sell out. That's how you found out about them.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

:lol:

[Arucard]

They did sell out. That's how you found out about them.

I found out about cryptopsy does that mean they sold out?

[cbmartinez]

Yeah.

[Arucard]

Well that makes about this much sense.
.
But i agree with you, STST is far superiour musically to this.

[cbmartinez]

Hahaha.

Actually, I don't think musically it's better. I mean the drums and bass were much more flashy, but the guitar on this is better. But STST was so cohesive, every song was good. Even when they went on for 6 minutes. To me, Walking The Fallen drags on. Some songs are just boring and repetitive. But it's still a cool album

[BuddyBigsby]

I found out about cryptopsy does that mean they sold out?

You and that guy = different kinds of people

[spoon_of_grimbo]

why doesnt everyone here just stop moaning and bitching endlessly about genres (the only way THAT argument could get worse is if people start throwing out random words followed by "-core") and whether or not they "sold-out"?!?!?!?!

as far as im concerned, the only way a band can "sell out" is if they change very drastically over a very short period of time and have no reason for it other than wanting more money. many bands have signed to major labels and kept their integrity, such as AFI and Rise Against (the first two that come to my head).

as for the genre? are you all really so sad that you need a label to pigeonhole the music people make? fair enough, compare them to other bands to give people an idea of the sound, but genres? theyre a pile of old arse.

[BuddyBigsby]

Ok, I'm not trying to pull the OG/Holier-than-thou card, but I can guarantee you I've been into them longer than 99.9% of the people on this board, and I've witnessed them change since WTF came out. They changed a lot musically, which I don't mind, but the way they presented themselves to the public did change drastically after they got popular and got signed to a major, and not for the better.

[SubtleDagger]

I always thought that was rather obvious.

I own this record and only find two songs enjoyable.

[Sep]

The drums were incredible on STST and are very meh on this album. So are the vocals.