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JeffofBetrayer

01-04-2004, 05:22 PM

Here's some songs from my band to check out.

New Single!

http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=017 Headed For Disaster

New Song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYD_PWBj_9w Love is Pain (Live)

Originals from the EP 'Shadowed Force'

http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=014 Partaker of Evil

http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=015 Burden of the Pacifist

http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=016 Shadowed Force

Originals from the album 'Rusted Icons'

http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=001 Descendants of Death

http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=002 Fire to the Coals

http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=008 Rusted Icons

Covers

http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=010 Paranoid

http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=011 Holy Wars

More songs are also available to download off our site at http://www31.betrayer.ca

For anyone interested in purchasing these CD's please visit our online store http://www.31.betrayer.ca/shop.shtml thanks!

Metallicat1987

01-04-2004, 05:41 PM

I only have time to hear the first one, but I'm Really Diggin it! Sounds real kool.. i can see myself jamming to it :thumb: nice work. Except the singer.. the singer sounds like a punk singer for the most part of the song.. it might just be me.. Great song though Congratulations

BuddyBigsby

01-04-2004, 06:01 PM

I'm really digging this stuff, man. The guitar is great and it sort of reminds me of Iron Maiden or Manowar with less cheese. The only thing I would suggest is that your vocalist be just a little more into it, he sounds a little bored, but other than that he has a great voice. Congrats on keeping it heavy without screaming btw :thumb:

iShotMyFinger

01-04-2004, 06:05 PM

I really like the music but i'm not as into the singer but it sounds really good otherwise.

odio

01-05-2004, 02:53 PM

listened to "fire to the coals".

sound's pretty good except like some others said, the singer, except the effect he had on his voice was pretty cool.

drums and guitars were fine though, like some others said iron maiden-esque

JeffofBetrayer

01-08-2004, 12:41 AM

Thanks for the comments. I'm glad everyone liked something so far. I'm the singer/guitarist by the way and i also don't care for my singing all that much,lol (on that album anyways). Since that recording i think i'm much more pleased with the way my voice has developed. I think I've gained more expression & range.

Here's another song to check out (from the same CD) that features the vocals a bit more. There's some obvious problems such as some out of key (or wierd sounding) vocal harmonies and I don't really care for how the nylon string guitar tone turned out but other than that I think it's the best sounding song on the album. Just to warn you it's not a heavy track.

http://www.betrayer.ca/html/mp3/Betrayer_07_Sands_Of_Time.MP3

SkaterNick14

01-08-2004, 01:20 PM

Listened to the Sands of Time man that was awesome you guys really rock excellent phrasing on the solos to i listened to the other songs to and they were great you guys really know how to play excellent production to.

coldRaver

01-08-2004, 02:51 PM

Descendants_Of_Death.MP3: Looks like you guys got some good reviews, my turn now ;). The intro is clean, and it sounds like you guys have practiced (unlike other bands here ;)). I LOVE the trasitions from a phrase to another. I want to see your band's rig! Hey is that an electronic kit I hear? He/she is pretty good! The vocals are pretty right for the genre of music this is. I am liking the echo effect with it, makes it more creepier than it is ;). Your bassist sounds nice and clean, VERY nice. You guys have your stuff together, start gigging if you haven't already! I see potential and (underground) stardom in the future!

Fire_To_The_Coals.MP3: Before I begin, I'd like to agree with the statement(s) above about the singer. He needs to get into it! Okay, here we go. I'm short for words, but this is great stuff. It's nice to hear a band's drummer on the forums here that can keep in time. I really like the fast tremolo little riffs. Vocalist: GET INTO IT!! You have a great band behind you, so you should be on FIRE with emotion!! Great guitar solo, I'm really enjoying everything from this band. You're drummer is amazing, I wish he were in my band ;). Everything here is great, very very well done.

Rusted_Icons.MP3: Oh boy, I can't wait to hear this one. I can already assume it is going to be great. A bass solo with synth? That is a rare thing to hear! Rare, but very nice. Wait, that wasen't synth.. That was a clean guitar with a chorus effect maybe? Very nice job bass by keeping your riff going. Less vibrato in the vocals when he comes in. Wow, that was a nice transition from the clean to the dirty sound. Very nice. Again, less vibrato in the vocals would make it sound more like it needs to be in the song. Nothing more needed to be said, it is all very nice.

Sands_Of_Time.MP3: Very nice, clean guitar sound. Vocalist has a strong voice, always a plus. I like the solo, clean acoustic guitar sound. Very well put together song.

Overall ratings(out of 10):

Vocals: 7
Drums: 9
Guitar(s): 9
Bass: 9

MxShredder

01-08-2004, 07:35 PM

dammit betrayer...i haven't got to see you live yet although i really wanted to, are you guys still with supernova?

GuitarDude570b

01-08-2004, 09:02 PM

holy ****, you guys kick major ***, im listening to sands of time right now, thought u guys kickass from within the first 20 seconds of hearing it, mmmm, so good, sounds a LOT like alice in chains, omg, if your other songs r this good, then i think i found a new band to love

Metallicat1987

01-08-2004, 09:10 PM

Perhaps you should put the tab for those on here? :naughty:

GuitarDude570b

01-08-2004, 09:20 PM

mmm, just listened to descendants of death, really good ****, thats 2 songs that kickass, i believe u have a new fan :)

o and i can definately hear those influences in your music, especially megadeth, even the vocals (i actaully like the sound of these vocals better than mustaine)

JeffofBetrayer

01-09-2004, 12:04 AM

"Hey is that an electronic kit I hear?" You got it, good ear!!!

"dammit betrayer...i haven't got to see you live yet although i really wanted to, are you guys still with supernova?" We'll be playing at the Hard Rock Cafe in Toronto on the 23rd if you're around then. We've been in contact with Supernova fairly recently and it looks like we might be involved in some Metal Fests they have planned for the upcoming year as well as hopefully something this summer at the Molson Amphitheatre again. Nothings booked yet but it looks promising.

"sounds a LOT like alice in chains" lol, that's what I thought too. Just the way some of those vocal harmonies are. Alice in Chains are a great band. I think your one of the first (if not the first) people who's brought up that connection. Cool!!!

Very insightful amazing reviews from everyone. Thanks, I really love reading peoples feedback on our music.

SkaterNick14

01-10-2004, 08:51 AM

wow bump because this is probably like the best band to ever post on this forum

MxShredder

01-10-2004, 10:50 PM

did you guys record these over at machinehead studios? they definatly sound pro

JeffofBetrayer

01-11-2004, 02:19 AM

did you guys record these over at machinehead studios? they definatly sound pro

Thanks, no we recorded them in Windsor at
www.spectresound.org (http://www.spectresound.org). Since then he's moved his studio and it looks really cool what he's done with it. He moved to a new house and converted the garage into a studio (there's pics on his site of the construction). We're planning on heading back there soon to cut a single for a possible video.

I think his production just keeps impoving, you can hear a big difference in quality if you compare the tracks I put up here to our Paranoid cover (which is available to download off our site). Paranoid was the latest thing we recorded there and I think the quality surpasses that of our Rusted Icons album (and it's been quite some time since we recorded Paranoid.....still at his old studio location) so I'm really looking forward to hearing how things will sound at his new facility.

Themadhatter

01-11-2004, 03:54 PM

Ah Mother of God! You guys know how to ****ing rock! You are the best band I have come across on these forums by far. You alked about a Cd? Can I order it online? I would easily pay like $10 bucks or something for this. So far, I like Descendants of Death, that is ****ing rock, right there. The solo parts in the second song are amazing, and I think you guys easily have the potential to get big. Thats just my opinion, but let me know about the CD or availability or whatever, rock on dude.

JeffofBetrayer

01-11-2004, 10:25 PM

Thanks for the great feedback Themadhatter!!! Yes, our Cd is available for purchase on our site. It's $10.95 CDN (which includes shipping & taxes). If there's any questions feel free to email me jeff@betrayer.ca

HondoII

01-12-2004, 12:51 PM

omg...not only were those songs awesome...but that Paranoid cover was ****in kick ***!!!

Themadhatter

01-12-2004, 02:18 PM

Agreed, Betrayer owns me and I am now a fanboy. I'm gunna order your album later on tonight, maybe the promotional package. I'll join the mailing list too, as I'm really interested in watching you guys go big. I've the songs you posted to my playlist, and am addicted to Fire to the Coals, because the first solo is the best I've heard in a LONG time. Deffinetley keep me updated how how things work out with you guys.

DonMancini

01-12-2004, 06:07 PM

WOW, amazing, I pretty much agree with what was written, except that I thought your vocalist was very good. And I really enjoyed the intro on Descendants of death :thumb: you really should start gigging a lot, you have a lot of talent, and I would definately buy your cd

UnderDawg

01-12-2004, 07:47 PM

Oops, double posted sorry about that!

UnderDawg

01-12-2004, 07:48 PM

Yeah, I happen to think the vocalist goes good with the music.
Also, how long has your drummer been playing? I'm 15 and been playing for about 7 months now, and the 1st time I set down on a double pedal I could do that, I think he needs to add some more technical stuff, IMO, that basic beat he was doing most of the song, needs to be changed a lil. It needs to follow and compliment the guitar, instead of just playing at the same speed. I don't know how to explain it, like...I don't really know how to explain it. Really, I'm just a drummer, so that's all I can tell that would be wrong. And again, this is just my OPINION and criticism don't take it personally, your band is very good!

Lol I only listened to the 1st song too.

tunafish_scumbag

01-14-2004, 09:16 PM

I wanted to go see you guys at the Metal Queen Management Show, but its 19+.

JeffofBetrayer

01-16-2004, 11:32 PM

"Also, how long has your drummer been playing?"
He was playing for about 3 yrs at the time that was recorded.

"And again, this is just my OPINION and criticism don't take it personally, your band is very good!"
Ya, i understand, that's what this forum is for, to critique peoples music. I don't take any offence to even the worst comments about our music (and we've had some harsh remarks). Everybody's tastes are different and I respect that (as long as someone can intelligently say something about the music and not just say something like "your band sucks" and that's it). I think i'm my worst critic. There's so many things I would have changed looking back on that recording. I guess that's what future albums are for, to hopefully progress as musicians and always try to create music that you're happy with (or at least bear to listen to,lol). I think that's an on going struggle for musicians until the day they die, it's hard to be totally satisfied with your own work (maybe impossible).

JeffofBetrayer

01-22-2004, 10:31 PM

Since some people liked our Paranoid cover I figured I'd put it up here too for easy access (instead of having to go to our site to download it). We recorded it for a local Black Sabbath tribute album but sadly the album never materialized.

http://www.betrayer.ca/html/mp3/Betrayer_Paranoid__Cover_Song.MP3

Here's one more, a live cover we did of Megadeth's Holy Wars...The Punishment Due. The sound quality is pretty bad but maybe some of you will like it anyways.

http://www.betrayer.ca/html/mp3/Betrayer_Holy_Wars__Live_The_Kathedral.MP3

metallica_pyro

01-23-2004, 12:51 AM

Yea, your songs are really awsome. I bet your going to get big real soon. Keep Rocking!!!

MxShredder

01-23-2004, 04:55 PM

the paranoid cover almost gave me a heart attack, i cranked it because i thought it was mixed quietly.......it wasn't :eek:

good job on it though :thumb: i like the double bass

HondoII

01-23-2004, 08:18 PM

the paranoid cover almost gave me a heart attack, i cranked it because i thought it was mixed quietly.......it wasn't :eek:

good job on it though :thumb: i like the double bass

LOLOL

that is EXACTLY what i did.

nearly blew up my speakers

it hurt..

JeffofBetrayer

01-24-2004, 06:43 PM

Ya,lol...sorry if we damaged anyone's speakers. We thought it was a pretty powerful (when the song actually kicks it)/unpredictable way to start the song. So ya, DON'T crank your system when you listen to the Paranoid track....but it's pretty cool if you do for the first time listening to it,lol.

thrashfanatic2010

02-06-2004, 11:08 AM

i checked out some of your stuff and u guys kick ***, i live in the windsor area and ive heard of ya, i think you opened for maiden , motorhead and dio, that must have been sweet

mulletron

02-06-2004, 11:23 AM

Wow, you guys are amazing. That Paranoid cover was totally insane, good job. I'll hopefully be getting your album in the near future.

JeffofBetrayer

02-12-2004, 01:37 AM

Thanks thrashfanatic2010 & mulletron!!! And it's cool to see you posting on our message board thrashfanatic2010 \m/

"i think you opened for maiden , motorhead and dio, that must have been sweet"

Ya, that was an amazing experience!!! We didn't get to play on the main stage though or meet any of the headlining acts :upset: (we played on an indie side stage). It was still great exposure for us because the stage we played on was right inside of the main entry gate to the Amphitheatre. It was a really wierd feeling (pretty scarry lol) seeing what looked like thousands of people lined up outside this gate about to be let in. My adrenaline was really pumping at that point lol. The sound really sucked for us though, I couldn't hear **** and there was nothing we could do about it. They needed a MUCH bigger P.A for that.

JeffofBetrayer

02-27-2004, 11:43 PM

Here's another one of our songs to check out.

http://www.betrayer.ca/html/mp3/Betrayer_04_Waiting.MP3

JetBlackWarlock88

02-28-2004, 04:03 AM

This has got to be some of the best sh*t I have ever heard!!!! I like your voice even if no one else does. I would like to hear a little more Iron Maiden like screaming, but then I'm an 80's metal child. That said you guy's steamroll over any new music I have heard in a long time. :smash:

Griffin_Page

02-28-2004, 02:44 PM

Sounds pretty **** cool, the only thing i didn't like was the guitar and bass tones, otherwise the music and lyrics kicked ***!

JeffofBetrayer

03-04-2004, 12:51 AM

Thanks JetBlackWarlock88 & Griffin Page. I'd have to agree with both your posts. The Dickinson style singing is what I've really been pushing towards since those songs were recorded. Before then I was mostly influenced by Mustaine but I think that was also due to the fact that I had only been singing for like a couple years at that point and I wasn't at all confident in my voice. I can't wait till our next album, it'll sound a bit different musically (in a more Euro Metal direction eg, Nightwish, Edguy, Yngwie Malmsteen) as well as production wise (I don't care for the tones we got on Icons either).

HondoII

03-05-2004, 02:18 PM

signed up for your forums (myka316)...it is a very cool site.

NakedRaygun872

03-08-2004, 12:56 PM

Your singing voice fits the music perfectly, in the first song you just needed to push it further.

JeffofBetrayer

03-12-2004, 08:01 PM

Thanks HondoII for signing up to our board!!! & Thank you NakedRaygun872 for taking the time to listen to our music, I agree with you about pushing my voice further.

Since this thread has gotten pretty long and I've posted multiple songs throughout it I've decided to post them all together here just to make things a little more organized.

Betrayer originals from the album (Rusted Icons)

Descendants of Death (http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=001)

Fire to the Coals (http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=002)

Rusted Icons (http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=008)

Sands of Time (http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=007)

Covers

Holy Wars...The Punishment Due (Live Cover) (http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=011)

Paranoid (Cover) (http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=010)

You can also download more off our site at www.betrayer.ca (http://www31.betrayer.ca)

SchismBassist

03-14-2004, 03:23 PM

Great stuff. All of your songs are amazing. And your lead guitarist, just simply amazing. I just got done watchin the video on him performing I believe and Yngwie solo and then Eugenes trick bag. WOW, good stuff!

bremenx

03-15-2004, 12:59 AM

I listened to all three songs and it was interesting. Unlike some of the people who replied, I actually like the singing, especially on "Descendants of Death." The vocalist sounded like Megadeth's singer. The guitarist is very good on the oh-so-Steve Vai-ish solo near the end of "DoD." I think your cover of "Paranoid" is **** good too. And yeah, my speakers and I jumped when the volume hit too. :-p But your group is rather impressive...keep up the good work. I agree with some of the people who replied-->You guys have a lot of talent, and could easily get famous with your level of skill.

Disillusioned-X

03-17-2004, 07:05 PM

I just listen to your songs man. I don't see all the hype, I mean the guitars you can barely understand also riffs aren’t very good and you guys have no hooks, drums are very basic, vocals are very boring, couldn’t hear the bass very well. I guess if your trying to be technical your ok but no one wants to hear technical music, not radio friendly and very poor production. I would work on better sound and heavier guitars. Glam rock i'd give you a 2 out of 10

thrashfanatic2010

03-19-2004, 10:59 PM

^^^^^^^^maybe they don't wanna be radio friendly yes ive heard their songs and i think they;re excellent , the production could use a lil work but its great

mxshredmasta

03-20-2004, 04:00 PM

i knee before your greatness, you guys F***ing rock, i think you guys have major potential to go big if you guys can get your singer to be into it more. other than that

"life is short, metal is FOREVER"

Po0sH

03-20-2004, 04:04 PM

Wow...utterly mind-blowing!.... You guys are gonna get big no doubt!

EDIT: I saw your site, awesome site! I see you are already making your way up the ladder to fame. Also, your betrayer logo is badass!!!

EDIT AGAIN: Can we get some tabs for the songs? seriously dude!....also, after listening to your stuff, i am quite jealous! :thumb:

Po0sH

03-21-2004, 01:20 AM

*BUMP* cuz they are so **** good, this should be stickied! Also, i dled all the songs and they are going on my Mp3 player!

Light_Fantastic

03-21-2004, 01:39 AM

Just heard some of your MP3's. Not too bad...
Some of the best I've heard on this forum...
2 suggestions....
Guitar Tones on the recordings....need to be a bit more clearer, because the phrasing
& notation is lost in the mix.....
Lead vocals.....
Since I am a 44 yo hard rock vocalist who did a ton of 80's melodic rock the first time around, the singer need to dig deeper & go for more emotion, & some high end screams would flavor your music quite a bit.
Othwise, great rocking sound...
Great job.
I have a thread on here for my band Death & Taxes...I would appreciate some critique of my music from the Betrayer camp.

Jay Link

Po0sH

03-21-2004, 10:10 PM

Just out of curiosity, were you listening to eye of the beholder when you wrote tribulation? its an awesome song! i listen to it all the time!

JeffofBetrayer

03-21-2004, 11:40 PM

Just out of curiosity, were you listening to eye of the beholder when you wrote tribulation? its an awesome song! i listen to it all the time!

I think it was Norm (our bassists) who came to practice one day with some of the basslines for Tribulation, then I came up with some guitar parts right then. I'm not sure where he got his inspiration for this song (maybe he was listening to Eye of the Beholder lol.....I'll ask him).

Thank you everyone for your comments/reviews!!!

flawlesxguitarist

03-24-2004, 01:07 AM

Dude i love your music. The holy wars cover is ace. I love the vocals.
I can really hear the megadeth influences in your music. I listen to descendants of death all the time!:thumb:
You dun good mate

JeffofBetrayer

03-30-2004, 12:48 AM

Dude i love your music. The holy wars cover is ace. I love the vocals.
I can really hear the megadeth influences in your music. I listen to descendants of death all the time!:thumb:
You dun good mate

Hey thanks flawlesxguitarist \m/ Ya, Megadeth was probalby my biggest influence on Rusted Icons. Since then I've been really inspired by bands like Nightwish, Edguy & Helloween...especially in the vocal department. I still love Megadeth though and want to continue writing Megadeth inspired music. I just like a good mixture of things but always with the same elements such as melody & guitar solos.

I hope we can record some better quality live performances soon, but usually there's never that good of a mixing/micing job to do it....or we screw up at some point in every single song lol.

HondoII

03-30-2004, 09:52 PM

You guys still need to come to LA ;)

its not as bad as people say it to be :P

JeffofBetrayer

03-31-2004, 01:38 PM

You guys still need to come to LA ;)

its not as bad as people say it to be :P

That would be something we would love to be able to do. It's just a very far trip from where we live (Windsor Ontario Canada) and we have no money lol. But hopefully that'll change this summer, we've been in contact with people organizing Crue Fest at the Whiskey. Last year we didn't make the cut, maybe this year we will \m/

ktululu

03-31-2004, 02:03 PM

That is very, very good. Descendants of Death has gotta be one of my favourite songs now i reckon. I think someone commented on the drumming earlier i personally think it starts off very well, i like the simple kind of beat hes got going. I think it should get more complicated though nearer the end of the song as it does become quite plain. I also love the vocals, the singing goes perfectly with the song. I've just started a band and my singer doesn't like anything but blues... which is a pity cuz he makes up some great lyrics. I need a singer like you who is more interested in the Maiden and Megadeth scene!!! come to England so i can kidnap you after watching one of your gigs then make you the singer of my band Mwahahahahaha :evil: On a more serious note are you ever gonna play in England because you've got one guy whos buying tickets right here.

Po0sH

03-31-2004, 10:26 PM

I listen to you guys probably everyday, keep up the good work, anything new post on these forums!

naboo

04-01-2004, 04:41 PM

Wow, man those were amazing. I would buy your cd but anyway... Those were great songs man. Did you write them? How old are you? All the members in my band are 14 and you guys just blow us away. All your songs were great, i love em.

JeffofBetrayer

04-02-2004, 12:11 AM

"come to England so i can kidnap you after watching one of your gigs then make you the singer of my band Mwahahahahaha"

LOL!!!

"On a more serious note are you ever gonna play in England because you've got one guy whos buying tickets right here."

I'd love to play in so many places, England would definitely be one of them. We just have to finish building our raft:) Can I hold you to the ticket sale? But seriously it would be a dream come true. We have no plans to play in England yet but we'll see what happens.

"I listen to you guys probably everyday, keep up the good work, anything new post on these forums!"

Cool, that's awesome, thanks!!! I'll be sure to post something new on here (whenever we get our sh*t together lol). The next thing will probalby be a single that we're working on for a possible video. The major thing that's been standing in our way for this song is coming up with the right lyrics.

"Those were great songs man. Did you write them?"

Thanks naboo, I wrote most of the guitar riffs, all the leads, most of the vocal melodies & some of the lyrics. The rest was a collaboration with the rest of the band members or ideas of their own.

"How old are you?"

I'm 26

"All the members in my band are 14 and you guys just blow us away."

You are way ahead of me, I only started playing guitar when I was 17 and I only started singing when I was about 21. By the time you're my age (if you stick with it) you'll be amazing!!!

Sky

04-02-2004, 02:39 AM

good quality music, the singer does nothing whatsover for me, almost makes it unbearable

naboo

04-02-2004, 04:55 PM

You are way ahead of me, I only started playing guitar when I was 17 and I only started singing when I was about 21. By the time you're my age (if you stick with it) you'll be amazing!!!

Haha well I definitley hope so.

JeffofBetrayer

04-02-2004, 09:20 PM

the singer does nothing whatsover for me, almost makes it unbearable

Tell me about it, like f**kin learn to sing buddy :lol:

I really don't care for the singing myself on that album. Just curious, what kind of singing do you like? Or who are some of your favorite singers?

Po0sH

04-02-2004, 10:16 PM

Your singing is fine! Its superb actually

JeffofBetrayer

04-03-2004, 12:22 AM

Your singing is fine! Its superb actually

Thanks, maybe some of my problem is just hearing my own voice. I think when you hear your own voice (even just speaking) played back to you through something it automatically sounds different/wierd to you since you're used to hearing your own voice right from your mouth...lol that kinda sounds funny but I don't know how else to explain it.

But I'd say I'm much closer to where I want to be with my singing now (more towards a Maiden/Edguy style). It's been so long since we recorded that material. I don't even know if I could sound the same (as my voice on Rusted Icons) even if I tried now.

Light_Fantastic

04-03-2004, 12:29 AM

HondoII

04-03-2004, 01:53 PM

Well of course mr. jeff's voice isnt like Bruce Dickinson, but it fits very well with what they play. Holy Wars, you got extrememly close to Dave Mustaine's voice.

ktululu

04-03-2004, 02:32 PM

I agree with the person who said you sounded like Dave Mustaine the singing on your cover was IDENTICAL to the original version. Keep up the good work!

JeffofBetrayer

04-03-2004, 10:47 PM

Hey Jeffof Betrayer,
I noticed in all your posts, you never give any critique or comments about anyone
else' music. A lot of the younger rockers might appreciate some comments & advice on their music from someone who is farther along.

Jay

Ya, that's because I only care about my band :thumb: jk.

I have listened to other peoples stuff on here. Some I found to be very good and others....let's just say they could use a little work. I guess I should make some comments. I just find it very hard to say something about someones work. I'd rather only make a comment if I was asked by someone for advise or suggestions on something specific. I don't know maybe I'll change my mind but right now I just can't bring myself to comment/make suggestions on other peoples work without them asking. But then again I guess that's what this forum is for. Hahaha, ok I'm making excuses....I'm wussing out because I don't want to offend anyone I guess :wave:

Po0sH

04-04-2004, 03:08 AM

Do you have tabs for your songs on your site?

Hempdrummer

04-06-2004, 12:43 AM

i didnt really like it but yet again i don like most 80's metal :(

JeffofBetrayer

04-11-2004, 09:25 PM

Do you have tabs for your songs on your site?

No, we don't have any tabs....yet. Some people have asked us to tab out our songs and I would like to but I just can't seem to find the time to do it. All the time I have I try to devote to writing for our next album, practicing, promoting the band etc. But I think that after we record our next CD I'll have time to tab out some stuff off Icons since writing/recording a new album won't be a top priority any more.

Po0sH

12-28-2004, 11:50 PM

I had to bump this because this band is amazing.

Po0sH

12-28-2004, 11:53 PM

I had to bump this because this band is amazing.

spiderman546

12-29-2004, 03:15 AM

i cant really say much else since everyone has said it. i check up here once a month and im glad i did tonight so check this thred. since i am a huge maiden fan i can point out there influences. and some sab. you guys are really good. how long have your guitarists been playing for? what age are you guys? very good stuff guys

crunchmeister

12-29-2004, 06:33 PM

Good stuff dude. Shawn pimped your band pretty good over at the Metallica boards. I've heard your stuff and it kicks serious ***. If you guys ever play in Kingston, I'm there!

Cheers

JeffofBetrayer

01-03-2005, 01:20 AM

Thanks for the bump Po0sH!

"you guys are really good. how long have your guitarists been playing for? what age are you guys? very good stuff guys"

Hey thanks spiderman546, I'm 27 and I've been playing guitar for about 10yrs, and our other guitarist (who joined the band after Rusted Icons was recorded) is......25...i think lol & has been playing for about 12 years.

"Good stuff dude. Shawn pimped your band pretty good over at the Metallica boards. I've heard your stuff and it kicks serious ***. If you guys ever play in Kingston, I'm there!

Cheers"

Thanks crunchmeister! Lol, yeah I think a moderator at the Metallica board almost banned Shawn over something related to that.

Skit

01-03-2005, 08:23 AM

I first found you guys from the metallica forums.... you rule!

:thumb:

axetickle

01-03-2005, 09:12 AM

This is really good material, I love what you did with the Paranoid cover, the solo idea, very original ;)

Excellent.

The only thing I didn't like is the singing (in my opinion) is a bit quiet?

Hmmm, might just be me.

Keep rocking,
axetickle

crunchmeister

01-03-2005, 09:53 AM

Thanks crunchmeister! Lol, yeah I think a moderator at the Metallica board almost banned Shawn over something related to that.

Heheh. Fixxxer will ban people for breathing too hard sometimes. He's a touchy fellow.

We all advertise our bands' stuff over there, but there seemed to be a daily new thread about Betrayer for a while. I know Fixxxer doesn't like that, so Shawn may have gotten a warning or something.

IbanezGeorge

01-03-2005, 01:45 PM

This is awsome, I love your voice. I find you sounded great in paranoid cover. You really remind me of dave mustaine

JeffofBetrayer

01-08-2005, 08:07 PM

Thanks for the replies & compliments!

"The only thing I didn't like is the singing (in my opinion) is a bit quiet?"

Just wondering if it's the actual way I sang that sounded quiet or the volume/mix level of the vocal track that you found to be quiet?

JeffofBetrayer

03-09-2005, 12:33 AM

Here's a clip of 'Partaker of Evil' off our new EP 'Shadowed Force'

http://www.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/board/attach.cgi?bet-poe-clip.mp3

drummerman

03-09-2005, 02:57 PM

You guys kick ***. I loved Holy Wars.

fuel4fire

03-10-2005, 06:18 PM

I can't stop listening to this stuff, excellent job.

I hope to hear more from you guys.

Frantic_Master

03-10-2005, 09:06 PM

Yep awesome stuff, I actually got on your forums before I saw yall on here.

I play your stuff every day.

The singing is good I think, I am a singer and I like your voice, it has a different sound than most of the crap around today. Definately a huge fan. Great to see metal with lyrics that can be understood, and not ****ty screaming.

JeffofBetrayer

03-11-2005, 01:47 AM

Hey, thanks for the feedback! I'll have three new songs up shortley from our new EP(including the full version of 'Partaker of Evil'), just have to wait until our online listening party is over (March 20th), then I can post em.

Po0osH

03-11-2005, 02:57 AM

Heard it over at ur site the day you put it up, sounds pretty good. Way better production!

JeffofBetrayer

03-13-2005, 01:22 PM

Hey thanks PoOosH, yeah I really like how the production turned out. It's the same producer as 'Rusted Icons' but a new studio location that he built plus a lot more experience under his belt. The clip we posted on our message board a while back was a partially mixed and unmastered version but the one I posted now is fully mixed & mastered, so not sure if you checked out the difference (also some added vocal harmonies in this one).

Yobbo_Maiden

03-17-2005, 12:23 AM

Hey Jeff, I think u kick total ***! The holy wars cover was unbelivable, I'm going to c megadeth in a month, I hope they do it as good as u!!!

I'm also in a band, I play rhythm guitar and vocals and I noe where ur coming from, especially when its hard to hear own voice, I really find it difficult sometimes to hear what I'm actually doing! (Might have to kill the sound guys...) I'm only 18 as is the rest of my band, I just hope we can one day match ur skill!

Anyway keep up the good work, awesome, really awesome. Personally I think we are seeing someone on the rise here.

ps Decendants of Death = god

Robbo

Local_Skater

03-17-2005, 02:32 PM

I definitly heard a heavy Iron Maiden influence from the instruments. The singer could definitly use a little work with his range just to make it a little more interesting. I like you guys a lot though. The intro to Descendants of Death was really cool with the chimes. Keep up the good work.

JeffofBetrayer

03-20-2005, 11:02 PM

Thanks for the feedback & compliments! What's the name of your band Yobbo Maiden? Do you have a website?

"The singer could definitly use a little work with his range just to make it a little more interesting"

Yeah I agree with that. I've worked a lot on increasing my range since the Rusted Icons CD. Did you check out the clip of 'Partaker of Evil' from our new EP? I have some pretty high vocal harmonies in there.... I should have the full versions of all three new songs posted on Tuesday!

JeffofBetrayer

03-22-2005, 11:24 PM

Here's all three songs from our new 'Shadowed Force' EP.

Partaker of Evil (http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=014)

Burden of the Pacifist (http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=015)

Shadowed Force (http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=016)

For anyone interested in purchasing this CD please visit our online store here (http://www.31.betrayer.ca/shop.shtml) thanks!

www.betrayer.ca (http://www31.betrayer.ca)

timbuktoo kangaroo

03-23-2005, 12:06 AM

Good stuff:thumb:. Now why can't my band find a decent singer:(

timbuktoo kangaroo

03-23-2005, 12:11 AM

BTW, what setup does your bassist use? I'm digging his tone.

JeffofBetrayer

03-24-2005, 02:32 AM

Thanks timbuktoo kangaroo! We had a tough time finding a singer too. We managed to find some people to try out but it never worked out. I originally wanted to just be a guitarist but out of desperation with not being able to find the right singer I decided to give it a try. What instrument do you play in your band? Have you ever thought of singing?

I'm actually not too sure what was done in the studio to get that bass tone lol. But I'm pretty sure we went direct without an amp. What our producer ran it through and did to the signal after that I have no clue. You can check out the studio we recorded at here www.spectresound.ca

Po0sH

03-24-2005, 04:30 AM

Dude ur new EP kicks *** man! I wrote some reviews under ALLIDoIsHammerStuff on your forum.

Necr0meN

03-24-2005, 04:42 AM

Really good stuff. I like the vocals, they remind me of Dave Mustaine \m/

metalguitarplayer

03-24-2005, 05:12 AM

I'm loving the stuff i've heard so far, and as for all those people asking to tab ur stuff... don't be a wuss, figure the songs out for yourselves... thats what i've been doing

Corroded_Blue_Metal

03-24-2005, 10:59 AM

Wonderful wonderful classic influenced metal. The musicianship of everyone involved in this band sounds quite high. Enjoyable listen. It's easy to hear the inspiration (Maiden especially). Hats off to Betrayer.

fuel4fire

03-25-2005, 02:37 AM

I just listened to the new stuff, its awesome.

I was just wondering when you make your solos how to you do it?

Do you stick to any particular scales or simply improvise until something sounds right?

JeffofBetrayer

03-25-2005, 04:37 AM

Thanks for the replies!

"I was just wondering when you make your solos how to you do it?

Do you stick to any particular scales or simply improvise until something sounds right?"

I approach certain solo sections in different ways. When writing a solo I sometimes can think of a melody in my head and then apply it to guitar. Usually that works best when there's a slower more melodic type lead section. Sometimes I just jam over the rhythm part improvising with familiar scales/patterns to write a lead. But generally I'll have everything for a lead worked out note for note before entering the studio.

On the new EP we have a second guitarist sharing lead duties and he shares some of the same methods for writing his leads but probably some differences. He had everything worked out note for note aswell.

fuel4fire

03-26-2005, 06:08 PM

JeffofBetrayer

03-27-2005, 07:09 PM

When you harmonize the guitar in your songs it makes it sound like theres 3 sometimes more guitarists, i tend to hear

Lead

2nd guitar-lead harmonized

Rhthym- power chords

quite often

Doesnt this make producing the same sound live impossible?

Yeah usually one guitar part is missing live. We've been advertising for a keyboardist for a long time. Some of our songs were actually written with keyboard parts (rhythm/chords & lead, as well as harmonizing with lead guitar) with the presumption that we'd have a keyboardist in the band by the time we were ready to record but since we didn't the harmonies (which were intended for a keyboardist) were done with guitar. Also since we couldn't find a keyboardist we've advertised for a third guitarist with no results.

So it's kinda like this hard decision to make. Do we still record all the parts we want to have on a recording or leave them out for the sake of reproducing the same sound live....or write differently all together? On Rusted Icons we had the same decision to make because at that time we were a three piece (me being the only guitarist). I decided to go with recording multiple guitar layers and then we would look for a second guitarist (which we have now). So that progression may continue still into the future where we add either a keyboardist or third guitarist to the lineup.

So far we've had pretty good feedback and reactions to our live shows and I think people don't notice too much that there may be parts lacking live that are on our recordings. But I personally can see that the addition of another musician could really add to our live sound.

IMO_Eclipse

03-27-2005, 08:36 PM

Bravo, enough said, everyone else already said what i wanted to say

fuel4fire

03-28-2005, 01:02 AM

Yeah usually one guitar part is missing live. We've been advertising for a keyboardist for a long time. Some of our songs were actually written with keyboard parts (rhythm/chords & lead, as well as harmonizing with lead guitar) with the presumption that we'd have a keyboardist in the band by the time we were ready to record but since we didn't the harmonies (which were intended for a keyboardist) were done with guitar. Also since we couldn't find a keyboardist we've advertised for a third guitarist with no results.

So it's kinda like this hard decision to make. Do we still record all the parts we want to have on a recording or leave them out for the sake of reproducing the same sound live....or write differently all together? On Rusted Icons we had the same decision to make because at that time we were a three piece (me being the only guitarist). I decided to go with recording multiple guitar layers and then we would look for a second guitarist (which we have now). So that progression may continue still into the future where we add either a keyboardist or third guitarist to the lineup.

So far we've had pretty good feedback and reactions to our live shows and I think people don't notice too much that there may be parts lacking live that are on our recordings. But I personally can see that the addition of another musician could really add to our live sound.

I see

/imagines Burden of the Pacifist with a keyboard and keyboard solos

A keyboard in your music would be great, I truely wish you luck in finding a keyboardist.

I think more people should play keyboards, I myself own one (its easier to learn music theory on a keyboard/piano than on guitar) but i still haven't had the time to pick it up, eventually i will pick it up but for now i just play guitar.

fuel4fire

04-02-2005, 01:32 AM

Is anything new going on with Betrayer?

JeffofBetrayer

04-02-2005, 06:54 PM

We have a show coming up \m/

Betrayer will be performing at Urban Metal's Metal Night at The Polish Hall in Oshawa, Ontario on April 22nd, 2005. Betrayer will be performing with Pandaemonium, Virtuosity, Creeper, Thryvn, Torn Black and Heavens Loss. Tickets are only $5.00 in advance or $7.00 at the door.

Phone: (519) 791-5848

Location:
60 BANTING STREET
OSHAWA, ONTARIO, CANADA

Other than that I've been writing for our next full length album. Hopefully we'll get some kind of label support as a result of the new EP to record and release the next album but if we don't well go ahead and release it ourselves. Not exactly sure when we'll have that done but we're aiming for within a year.

Po0sH

04-02-2005, 07:12 PM

Awesome, Definitely looking forward to it.

RustedPieces

04-03-2005, 03:22 PM

Yeah, Betrayer is such a breath of fresh air. It's great to hear some 80s metal again.

naboo

04-03-2005, 06:53 PM

Heh, I remember posting back in this thread a year ago.

I love the new songs, especially Burden of the Pacifist. The lead guitar melody is awesome!

Callisto_Ashus

04-03-2005, 07:08 PM

It's scarce to see stuff this good around MX forums. Very nice compositions. I'm noticing a major Iron Maiden vibe to "Burden of the Pacifist". Good luck guys, think sometime I'll buy your CDs to help you out.

Abbath

04-04-2005, 02:11 AM

Great stuff.

Vocals reminded me of Mustaine. Keep it up!

Stubb

04-04-2005, 02:22 PM

May I recommend more masculine vocals...good **** though.

ktululu

04-04-2005, 02:41 PM

May I recommend more masculine vocals...good **** though.

The vocals are awesome man. They sound way more power metal this time around Jeff, which sounds like what you were aiming for. Congrats, the whole thing is much better than last time (which is no mean feat itself). Burden of the Pacifist is definitely up there with the better Maiden tracks, very nicely done.

naboo

04-04-2005, 05:23 PM

^ Yeah any way it's supposed to be like 80's metal which had a lot of singers with high voices.
I think his singing is almost a combination of Dave Mustaine and a little Bruce Dickinson.

JeffofBetrayer

04-05-2005, 12:24 AM

Thanks for all the feedback and compliments!

I love the new songs, especially Burden of the Pacifist. The lead guitar melody is awesome!

Thanks, that one's my favorite too partly because of the harmonized lead guitar melodies.

It's scarce to see stuff this good around MX forums. Very nice compositions. I'm noticing a major Iron Maiden vibe to "Burden of the Pacifist". Good luck guys, think sometime I'll buy your CDs to help you out.

Thanks, yeah that one probably has the biggest Maiden influence of anything we've written so far. Actually it was probably a combination of Maiden, Helloween and Edguy (which seem to have a heavy Maiden influence themselves), but especially Edguy with the power metal type double bass and anthem like chorus. I actually wanted the chorus to have a bigger choir type vocal sound......copying Edguy exactly lol, but didn't know quite how to harmonize it so we just did some doubling.

& thanks for the support if you do end up buying our CD's!

The vocals are awesome man. They sound way more power metal this time around Jeff, which sounds like what you were aiming for.

Hey thanks, yeah that's one thing I've really been working at. Trying to have a more operatic/soaring vocal approach.

Congrats, the whole thing is much better than last time (which is no mean feat itself). Burden of the Pacifist is definitely up there with the better Maiden tracks, very nicely done.

Wow, thanks that's about one of the highest compliments we could receive!

I think his singing is almost a combination of Dave Mustaine and a little Bruce Dickinson.

Yeah that's what I'd say too. When I first started singing it was Mustaine all the way. That's mainly what I was trying to sound like, along with a bit of Hetfield. But then I really started getting interested in expanding my range & learning how to sing without straining my vocal chords so Dickinson and a wide range of other singers became an influence towards that direction.

fuel4fire

04-05-2005, 01:28 AM

Thanks, yeah that one probably has the biggest Maiden influence of anything we've written so far. Actually it was probably a combination of Maiden, Helloween and Edguy (which seem to have a heavy Maiden influence themselves), but especially Edguy with the power metal type double bass and anthem like chorus. I actually wanted the chorus to have a bigger choir type vocal sound......copying Edguy exactly lol, but didn't know quite how to harmonize it so we just did some doubling.

Thats exactly what i figured hahaha, when I told my friend about you guys I was telling him about how your music was going more power metal (he doesnt enjoy megadeth/metallica/other thrashy stuff) he decided to give it a listen and I told him to listen to Burden of the Pacifist because it had a strong Edguy influence.

Yobbo_Maiden

04-06-2005, 06:12 PM

Our band name is When Sorrow Sang, we play mostly emotional progressive metal vein. You could say a cross between Dream Theater and Opeth I guess, with the emotional music of Opeth and the technicality of Dream Theater, but we don't even come within a bee's diapraghm of talent...lol

URL is being constructed, I'll keep you updated.

We have just released a demo, if you live in Australia, particularly Melbourne, then you can get it from JB Hi-Fi for a limited time. Its titled Shards of a Broken Soul.

Yobbo_Maiden

04-06-2005, 06:16 PM

Oh, and I pretty much have all ur songs, totally loving it.
Keep up the good work. Just wish I could c u guys live!

JeffofBetrayer

04-06-2005, 10:55 PM

Hey Yobbo Maiden, thanks glad you like our music. I'd like to hear your stuff, are you going to have any songs/clips up on your site when it's done? I haven't heard much of Opeth at all but I love Dream Theaters music (whatever I've heard from them....a couple albums, singles here and there & I saw one of their DVD's). Be sure to post your website on my band's message board when it's up (if you want).

larry_emder

04-08-2005, 10:35 AM

Thats some tight work mate.........i hope you guys have long hair, thats my main worry

bartman

04-10-2005, 01:45 PM

sounds good

Gackt

04-10-2005, 07:46 PM

Very nice work, your bassiet some how reminds me of mine lol anyway you guyz are very skilled and amazing :) good work

HondoII

04-12-2005, 12:37 AM

You should put my street team link in the first post jeff ;)

PunkGuitarist

04-12-2005, 11:21 AM

You guys kick major ***. Keep on making music.

Edit: I just listened to Burden of the Pacifist that is officially my favorite song ever.

JeffofBetrayer

04-13-2005, 11:09 PM

Thanks for the feedback!

Very nice work, your bassiet some how reminds me of mine lol anyway you guyz are very skilled and amazing good work

The way our bassist plays or the way he looks...or both lol? Thanks!

You guys kick major ***. Keep on making music.

Edit: I just listened to Burden of the Pacifist that is officially my favorite song ever.

Wow thanks, that's a huge compliment! That one would have to be my favorite song we've written so far too.

RustedPieces

04-14-2005, 03:08 PM

I like your cover of Holy Wars, you guys did a good job.

sherbondy

04-14-2005, 08:06 PM

well you guys are great but i would get someone who can sing he reminds me of the lead singer for yngwie and that guy really sucks

Binky

04-15-2005, 01:52 PM

yeah, I think I should be the singer. I sound like the singer from Simple Plan. I know I can sing way better than you. lol

RustedPieces

04-18-2005, 06:37 PM

I don't see why people don't like the singing.. I think it's good and it suits the music.

JeffofBetrayer

04-18-2005, 09:49 PM

well you guys are great but i would get someone who can sing he reminds me of the lead singer for yngwie and that guy really sucks

Are you serious or was that meant sarcastically? It sounds like you like Yngwie in one of your other posts. But I guess you maybe just like his guitar playing and not his singer(s)?

But anyways, yeah it would make sense that I sound similar to Yngwie's singers since I practice to his stuff a lot vocally. So I take that as a big compliment because that's a style/sound I've been striving to achieve with my voice.

yeah, I think I should be the singer. I sound like the singer from Simple Plan. I know I can sing way better than you. lol

LOL, hey...aren't you in my band? Yeah....I DO think you should sing....backup vocals though ;)

I don't see why people don't like the singing.. I think it's good and it suits the music.

Thanks!

Po0sH

04-21-2005, 04:21 AM

bump

thursdaythrice

04-21-2005, 08:57 PM

You guys are seriosuly awesome,im from the windsor/tecumseh area,great stuff

JeffofBetrayer

04-21-2005, 10:56 PM

You guys are seriosuly awesome,im from the windsor/tecumseh area,great stuff

Hey thanks! Do we know you personally, or have you been to any of our shows? We'll be playing in Windsor June 12th at the Fogalar, an all ages show, so hope you can check that out. We'll have more info posted on our site soon.

RustedPieces

04-22-2005, 05:55 PM

Are you guys ever coming to the Hamilton area? Like maybe Toronto or something?

Bryan_S

04-22-2005, 06:26 PM

I like the cover of paranoid :thumb:

playguitar

04-23-2005, 12:23 AM

How long have you guys been together?

OmicaBassPlayer

04-23-2005, 02:01 PM

****ing great cover of holy wars am lovin it *headbangs*

Merker

04-23-2005, 02:14 PM

maybe try some vocals like CJ Snare, Michael Matijevic or Sebastion Bach.

JeffofBetrayer

04-24-2005, 06:08 PM

Are you guys ever coming to the Hamilton area? Like maybe Toronto or something?

We don't have anything scheduled for those areas right now, but we have played in Hamilton before at the Corktown Tavern, and we've played quite a bit in Toronto at places like; The Hard Rock Cafe, Kathedral, Opera House, Oasis, Club Phoenix, and that one Maiden show at the Molson Amphitheater. We might have a pretty big show coming up in Toronto this year, but I can't announce anything yet since it's not confirmed.

I like the cover of paranoid

Thanks :chug:

How long have you guys been together?

Shawn (drummer) and I have been together since 1996, then Norm (bassist) joined a couple years later, then Bill (guitarist) joined a couple years later, soon after we came out with Rusted Icons.

****ing great cover of holy wars am lovin it *headbangs*

Thanks :thumb:

maybe try some vocals like CJ Snare, Michael Matijevic or Sebastion Bach.

I do practice to some Firehouse & Skid Row. Don't have any Steelheart though, but I know that guy is an amazing singer. Sebastian back is actually one of my favorite singers. I can't sing with the raspyness he has though...I've tried in the past and each time I almost lost my voice, so I just sing to his stuff with a much cleaner tone....although he also does change from clean to raspy a lot. But yeah I love all those singers, I like many many singers and all different styles of Rock/Metal. Some of my other favorites are, Klause Meine, Tobias Sammet, David Coverdale, Don Dokken, Ronnie James Dio, Vince Neil, Brad Delp, John Bon jovi, Sammy Hagar, Jani Lane, Bruce Dickinson, Ozzy Osbourne...those are just some of the bands/singers I like practicing to.

I also recently heard about Dream Evil from my bassist. He bought their new album 'The Book Of Heavy Metal' which I haven't heard in its entirety yet, but whatever I did hear sounded so awesome. I particularly like the singer's (Niklas Isfeldt) voice which I think sounds a lot like Klause Meine. I need to get that album! And probably followed by thier other ones.

itsPLaNK

04-25-2005, 12:22 PM

Merker

04-25-2005, 06:06 PM

I do think you have a very good voice as it is. I just suggested some of my favorites . I like when the music is heavy with clean vocals. To me it sounds so much better, and not to mention its easier on your voice.
I also noticed that you cover Run to the Hills. I was wondering do you use falsetto to sing the chorus? Because that stuff is hard to sing! But by hearing your songs, you do seem to have a strong head voice.

JeffofBetrayer

04-25-2005, 11:38 PM

Man just heard Partaker of Evil and i'm not into this sorta genre. A grindcore lad myself, but dude, this is funky as f*ck!
Can't help to nod me head and the vocals are pretty good i think. I'm in an old school mood now
rock n roll!!!
Talented guitarist very clean how the riffs go from one to another, all perfect timing.
Not too sure on the bass before the solo though.
Woah that solos ace then the bass pedal arrghh! your band is very good.
Also is the kick drum triggered?

Hey thanks itsPLaNK! Glad you liked some things you heard so far even though it's not your favorite style.

The kicks aren't triggered on the new EP, all real acoustic drums. But I think that maybe our producer might have tried something like a trigger on the kick just for 'Burden of the Pacifist', not sure if he kept it though.

Not sure if you checked out anything from the Rusted Icons album, but those are all an electric kit...which sounds okay to me but I much prefer the real thing, what we got on the new stuff.

I do think you have a very good voice as it is. I just suggested some of my favorites . I like when the music is heavy with clean vocals. To me it sounds so much better, and not to mention its easier on your voice.
I also noticed that you cover Run to the Hills. I was wondering do you use falsetto to sing the chorus? Because that stuff is hard to sing! But by hearing your songs, you do seem to have a strong head voice.

Yeah those are some good suggested singers! I'm like you, I like the heavy music/clean vocalist approach too generally.....although there are exceptions. And just like you mentioned it's easier on the voice, which are two reasons why I've been moving in that type of direction more and more since I started singing. I think that band Dream Evil I mentioned perfectly demonstrates that sort of a style with some of the heaviest (but then again heavy can mean different things to different people) music I've ever heard and then this crystal clear voice with a soaring range on top of it.

For 'Run to the Hills' I don't use any falsetto. Yeah that one is very tough to sing, probably the toughest chorus I have to sing out of anything we play. My voice has to be in top condition to pull that one off properly, if there's any wear/damage then it's just not possible for me. It does help though that we tune down a whole step. But I still do practice that one in standard with the CD.

fuel4fire

04-30-2005, 09:20 PM

any luck finding a keyboardist?

ILoveMusic0106

05-01-2005, 12:37 AM

I don't see why people don't like the singing.. I think it's good and it suits the music.

Ill tell you my problems with the vocals

Plain and simple, the vocals arent emotional enough.

The vocals arent agressive enough for the style of music.
The need some emotional agression in them.
Try less vibrato also, it doesnt fit with the music.

To tell you the truth, you have the best vocals i have ever heard of any music submitted on this forum. However, it could still use improvement.

Merker

05-03-2005, 03:11 PM

Ill tell you my problems with the vocals

Plain and simple, the vocals arent emotional enough.

The vocals arent agressive enough for the style of music.
The need some emotional agression in them.
Try less vibrato also, it doesnt fit with the music.

To tell you the truth, you have the best vocals i have ever heard of any music submitted on this forum. However, it could still use improvement.

I totally disagree

RustedPieces

05-03-2005, 05:01 PM

I totally disagree
Same here.

Mikedrummer

05-19-2005, 03:23 PM

Jeff, not only is yours the best band ever to post on this forum, but is also one of the best thrash/power metal bands ive ever heard.

Bump, ffs, this deserves to be a sticky

Mikedrummer

05-22-2006, 08:45 AM

this band is cool lol

deathscreamingsheep

05-22-2006, 01:53 PM

I've been a fanboy for a little while. Your albums been on my list of things to buy for a while, unfortunately it's a long ever growing list...

British Beef

05-23-2006, 10:29 AM

hehe ive got one of your songs on my mp3 player from ages ago

whiplash87

05-23-2006, 02:47 PM

damn you guys are really good you have a really good sound its hard but very melodic i guess your guitarists are really good and so are drums and bass, but i kinda pay more attention to the guitars since i play i guess it just kinda catches my ear but anyways I have listened to all the songs on here and they are all pretty good. A lot of people on here including yourself jeff are saying that the singing isnt that great but its not bad really you definately sound better than a lot of singers today, you guys remind me a lot of iron Maiden, good job