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JohnTheFisherman
12-20-2003, 10:17 AM
Introduction: by Stephen Thomas Erlewine & Greg Prato, from Allmusic.com

Tool's greatest breakthrough was to introduce dark, vaguely underground metal to the preening pretentiousness of art rock. Or maybe it was introducing the self-absorbed pretension of art rock to the wearing grind of post-thrash metal — the order really doesn't matter. Though Metallica wrote their multi-sectioned, layered songs as if they were composers, they kept their musical attack ferociously at street level. Tool didn't — they embraced the artsy, faux-bohemian preoccupations of Jane's Addiction while they simultaneously paid musical homage to the dark, relentlessly bleak visions of grindcore, death metal, and thrash. Even with their post-punk influences, they executed their music with the ponderous, anti-song aesthetic of prog rock, alternating between long, detailed instrumental interludes and tuneless, pseudo-meaningful lyrical rants in their songs. Tool, however, had a knack for conveying the strangled, oppressive angst that the alternative nation of the early '90s claimed as their own.

Undertow:

Tool's first full length album is Undertow. Released in 1993, it marked the beginning of Tool's breakthough to mainstream audiences. Althought it featured two fairly popular singles, Prison Sex and Sober, Undertow never reached higher then 50 of the list of billboard 200 albums. However, even though it didn't sell well at release, it has sold well throughout the years do to Tool's large fanbase.

Every Tool album features a different theme. Aenima is dark and spacey, Lateralus is more progressive and technical, and Undertow is more hard rock then anything else. Although Undertow is obviously Tool, people who have only heard Aenima or Lateralus may be surprised by what they hear.

The Tracks:

Track 1: Intolerance

Intolerance is probably my favorite track on the CD, the track actually begins with what seems to sound like someone taking a bong hit. Then the killer bassline and guitar riff kicks in, and its all uphill from there. With an awsome chorus and a catchy tune, Intolerance is one of the best Tool songs in my opinion.

10/10

Track 2: Prison Sex

An awsome song, but the subject matter is pretty graphic. Listening to the lyrics just makes me uncomfortable sometimes. This was one of the singles, and as such, it is a short concise song with a catchy hook.

9/10

Track 3: Sober

This is the song that got me interested in Tool in the first place. I love the lyrics and the theme of the song, as well as the proficient instrument playing and awsome bassline. As time worn on and I listened to more Tool, Sober quickly fell from being my favorite Tool song. However, it is still excellent.

9/10

Track 4: Bottom

Bottom is a strange song. It alternates from Maynard screaming to Henry Rollins mumbling lyrics in a long interlude. Not the best thing Tool has ever done, but still good compared to most of the music out there.

8/10

Track 5: Crawl Away

This track is awsome, the buildup is killer and it is just fast paced mayhem. And even though ive said this a lot, ill say it again, the bass and guitars are ****ing awsome, and Maynard is top notch.

10/10

Track 6: Swamp Song
Another good song (surprise surprise). However, Swamp Song does get a little repetitive at times. The vocals and lyrics in the song aren't all that great, but the instrumentals are very good as usual. One of the worse tracks on the CD, but still good.

7/10

Track 7: Undertow

One of the more progressive tracks on the CD, Undertow is both interesting and technically proficient with some of the best guitarwork on the album here. This song kicks a lot of ***, and features a lot of tempo and style switching.

9/10

Track 8: 4 Degrees

This track starts off with someone playing some kind of sitar or other instrument, transitions into some interesting vocals and bass playing, then kicks in hard and really rocks. One of the best on the CD.

10/10

Track 9: Flood

This is my least favorite track on the CD. It is kinda like Swamp Song, except much longer, not as interesting, and featuring much less vocals. Just not up to the level of the other songs really.

6/10

Track 10: Disgustipated

Pretty much a weird filler track. I usually skip over it, because it isn't really music. Interesting to listen to though, and adds some flavor to the CD.

No Rating

Conclusion:

Undertow is one of the best hard rock CDs of the early 90s, and is in all ways up to the level of Tool's latter work. While not as refined as Lateralus, and not as orchestrated as Aenima, Undertow represents a raw unrefined metal side of Tool that anyone who enjoys metal or Tool should listen to. Although the CD doesn't have many tracks, it is definitly worth picking up.

Rating: 9/10

robnathanson
12-20-2003, 11:33 AM
this is nowhere nmear the calibre of Aenema, or Lateralus...I like it, but I wouldn't give it a 4.5/5 as it isn't groundbreaking. 4/5 or even 3.75/5....it is good, but nothing compared to their other records.

OpiateTheMasses!
12-20-2003, 03:00 PM
I love this CD, Id give it a 4/5. Robnathanson is right. Its nothing compared to the others.

I was just about to do a review for this one, but you beat me too it.

YDload
12-20-2003, 03:46 PM
I like this one just as much as the others, and think it's underrated.

PEARLDrummerZXT
12-20-2003, 06:21 PM
10/10

Excellent CD

:thumb:

The JoZ
12-20-2003, 06:51 PM
I'm going to disagree and say that this is a great album too. In my other post, I said all albums would get a 5/5...and I really believe that. Each album builds on the next. Opiate sets the stage nicely, Undertow is dark, brooding, and heavy, Aenima stands out as being very in-your-face, but still progressive, and Lateralus is a masterpiece. When I say 5/5 for all of them, I'm not comparing each Tool album to another, because you can't really. Lateralus and Aenima stand alone, while Opiate and Undertow are connected in their dark, etherial kind of sound. They never really get rid of it, but it's very...bleak on these two albums moreso than the latter two

JohnTheFisherman
12-22-2003, 06:32 AM
I'm going to disagree and say that this is a great album too. In my other post, I said all albums would get a 5/5...and I really believe that. Each album builds on the next. Opiate sets the stage nicely, Undertow is dark, brooding, and heavy, Aenima stands out as being very in-your-face, but still progressive, and Lateralus is a masterpiece. When I say 5/5 for all of them, I'm not comparing each Tool album to another, because you can't really. Lateralus and Aenima stand alone, while Opiate and Undertow are connected in their dark, etherial kind of sound. They never really get rid of it, but it's very...bleak on these two albums moreso than the latter two

Agreed.

Undertow is a great CD, that is usually underrated by people who don't really understand Tool. All of Tool's work is on the same level really.

ParaRiddleDiddle
12-22-2003, 06:58 AM
Undertow is VERY under-rated. I'd say above Opiate, and pretty much touching Aenima and Lateralus.

The question is, which is better, Aenima or Lateralus?

:confused:

The JoZ
12-22-2003, 08:17 AM
The question is, which is better, Aenima or Lateralus?

:confused:


Even I don't answer that one...

I really think that Aenima and Lateralus are on two different levels anyway...they are distant, because of the maturity between the two...but they are close, because the music is still....Tool..

I can't explain it really. They are my two most favorite albums either way. By any band.

manuscriptreplica
12-22-2003, 08:31 AM
:lol: Nazi Bassist... i can imagine you having nightmares about that!!!

behemoth
12-22-2003, 11:18 AM
I've got to admit, I never really got Aenima. I love Undertow, and Lateralus is one of my favourite albums of all time, but I rarely listen to Aenima...

sad, I know...:)

The JoZ
12-22-2003, 01:59 PM
:lol: Nazi Bassist... i can imagine you having nightmares about that!!!

You bet. Half of me hears "Prying open my third eye!" and the other hears "Keep going...spiral out!". It's a neverending battle between my subconsious :cool:

PeEpHoLe_10
05-31-2004, 01:59 AM
^^^
i know how you feel man.

ToolOwnsYou
06-03-2004, 01:44 PM
Id have to say Opiate is the most underrated cd Tool produced.. opiate is TOOL's roots, for it only being 6 tracks long, its a masterpiece.. I can play this cd on repeat for about 3-5 times before I decide to change it... every track is hard hitting, good music, good vocals, good lyrics. I know Undertow put them on the map, but Opiate is a 5/5. So is undertow, aenima and Lateralus, its truely hard for me to say this but i feel Laturalus is a little overrated, dont get me wrong its a very very very good album as I said I give it a 5/5 yet it seems like others give it a 7/5, it just doesnt hit me like Opiate/Undertow/Aenima. I cant say which cd is better then the next because i love them all.. yet id have to say I listen to Aenima & Opiate the most. and I would agree with Nazi Bassist, each TOOL cd is at its own level, its almost imposible to relate one to the next. I love that about tool, Picture a tree.. Opiate as the trunk, and each cd after that as new growth, a new branch... yet all connected and the base. TOOL IS GOD.

The JoZ
06-03-2004, 03:00 PM
Undertow still gets a five from me...but that's only because the good songs are really good. Undertow, IMO, is the weakest Tool album...because of songs like Swamp Song and Flood. Neither is very good, and Disgustipated is a waste of 15 minutes...the opening dialogue is funny...the Life feeds on life thing is alright...but 7 minutes of crickets? Come on guys that wasn't necessary.

I really think Tool should be rated on a 10/10 scale...

Lateralus = 10/10
Aenima = 8/10
Opiate = 7/10
Undertow = 6/10

I know that I said that we shouldn't really compare Tool albums to one another, but if you do, and even I do it sometimes...I do it by song content. Undertow has two real songs that I don't like, Aenima has one, and Lateralus and Opiate have none, but Opiate is below Aenima because 1) it's just an EP 2) The content on Aenima is superior.

I could discuss this all day, but I probably shouldn't. Either way...this is still a great album to put in when you're feeling especially angry at the world...songs like Intolerance, Undertow, Bottom, are great for releasing that pent-up hatred in a powerful way.

Oh yeah, I call dibs on the new album for reviewing. :thumb:

ToolOwnsYou
06-03-2004, 03:06 PM
Oh yeah, I call dibs on the new album for reviewing. :thumb:

You'll have to beat me to it! muhahaha
:evil:

Zappa
06-05-2004, 09:49 PM
This is infinitely better than Lateralus, which was nothing more than some pretentious kids dabbling in something that they aren't capable of pulling off. Tool trying to do a prog record, what a silly thought. This album features them tackling a style that they can actual carry out, and it's an excellent hard rock record. I don't think it's as good as Ænima, but it doesn't have to be. I think this is a much rawer record, which of course better suits rawer emotions and moods. When you feel like a more polished, masterful hard rock record you reach for Ænima. When you want something a bit more vulnerable and impulsive, it's Undertow all the way. When you want a good laugh, you reach for Opiate or Lateralus.

Dancin' Man
06-05-2004, 10:16 PM
Lateralus = 10/10
Aenima = 8/10
Opiate = 7/10
Undertow = 6/10


I think this is fairly accurate. Aenima was good, but not at the same level as Lateralus. The next album will be the first that I buy the day it hits the amazon.

chewbacca_guitar
06-13-2004, 02:13 AM
Tool are gods. everything about them is amazing, and can't wait for there new album, lets hope they tour aus this time though, it took them agges to come out for aenima :confused:, and then they came out for lateralus briefly afterwards, so DAYAM?!?! its gunna be AWESOME!! T00L :thumb: :thumb:

christonastick
06-15-2004, 06:33 AM
I think this album deserves more credit than is given to it in this forum. It is far more sophisticated than most of the other albums that came out during that period. I consider it to be an extremely good debut for Tool but I admit their material has gotten better over the years. I give this album 5/5.

YDload
06-21-2004, 07:36 PM
I think this album deserves more credit than is given to it in this forum. It is far more sophisticated than most of the other albums that came out during that period. I consider it to be an extremely good debut for Tool but I admit their material has gotten better over the years. I give this album 5/5.

It's not a debut album, guy-who-was-banned. Just the first full-length album after the Opiate EP.

mexicanfloydian
06-22-2004, 11:14 AM
I give this album 3.5/5 .
It's good but it's kind of boring.
I agree completely with the cd rating that the joz posted.

rollhockey77
06-22-2004, 12:01 PM
Lateralus>AEnima>Undertow

IMO

Lumiere
07-21-2004, 06:32 AM
Undertow is TOOL best album. Then Aenima, then Opiate, and then LATERALUS.

vixfinger11metallica20
07-21-2004, 11:25 AM
I gotta agree with some of the guys here....Undertow is definately so underrated.In my opinion it is up there with Aenima,Lateralus and Opiate. Tool is differant ... musically talented and brilliant....What more do you need from a band?

P.S: Isn't the intro to 4 degrees on the guitar itself?

Tapeworm
07-21-2004, 11:56 AM
This is infinitely better than Lateralus, which was nothing more than some pretentious kids dabbling in something that they aren't capable of pulling off. Tool trying to do a prog record, what a silly thought. This album features them tackling a style that they can actual carry out, and it's an excellent hard rock record. I don't think it's as good as Ænima, but it doesn't have to be. I think this is a much rawer record, which of course better suits rawer emotions and moods. When you feel like a more polished, masterful hard rock record you reach for Ænima. When you want something a bit more vulnerable and impulsive, it's Undertow all the way. When you want a good laugh, you reach for Opiate or Lateralus.

I don't understand the thinking behind this. It is something that they are cabable of pulling off, and they are very knowledgable about all of the content. They are easily good enough instrumentally, and lyrically, and Lateralus is an amazing record. Second guessing their ability is silly. It is one of my favourite albums of all time, and is pulled off with passion.

Duncster
07-21-2004, 12:10 PM
I love Flood, I don't see anything wrong with it, it kicks *** :D

Lumiere
07-21-2004, 02:39 PM
Yes, indeed. Great intro and it's really rocking by the time it ends.

Disgustipated, on the other hand, is tripe.

twoj_
07-21-2004, 03:10 PM
i think i have the ratings...

lateralus - 10/10
&AEnima - 11/10 (i love this cd)
Undertow - 8.75/10
Salival - 9/10
Opiate - 8.5/10

PeEpHoLe_10
09-29-2004, 05:49 AM
I honestly believe it goes;
Lateralus:10
Aeinima:9
Undertow:8
Opiate:7

I do not own Salival.

Iai
09-29-2004, 06:02 AM
For me,

Lateralus = 4.5/5
AEnima = 3.5/5
Salival = 3/5
Undertow = 3/5

They're getting progressivley better, but they need to ditch the skits, tighten up some of the slack on their albums, and realise that an album that's 'only' 50 minutes long isn't necessarily a bad record.

The JoZ
09-29-2004, 10:31 AM
If you notice on Lateralus, they only did one Filler track...I don't really count Faiip de Oaid, that's like...nonexistant. Whatever.

Opiate was all music, Undertow was mostly music, and Aenima had a bunch of strange non-songs in there. But still, look at the actual songs ON Aenima. Eulogy, 46 and 2, Aenema and Third Eye are easily in their top ten best songs IMO...

A long album is a great thing, but honestly, my burned copy of Aenima only has like 7 tracks on it, and I still love it.

SubtleDagger
09-29-2004, 10:36 AM
Lateralus is the best Tool record. Undertow (like most other Tool records) is too typical and boring for anything exceedingly good to come of it. Maybe a 3/5 for consistency.

Iai
09-29-2004, 10:44 AM
If you notice on Lateralus, they only did one Filler track...I don't really count Faiip de Oaid, that's like...nonexistant. Whatever.

Opiate was all music, Undertow was mostly music, and Aenima had a bunch of strange non-songs in there. But still, look at the actual songs ON Aenima. Eulogy, 46 and 2, Aenema and Third Eye are easily in their top ten best songs IMO...

A long album is a great thing, but honestly, my burned copy of Aenima only has like 7 tracks on it, and I still love it.

I say both Eon Blue Apocalypse and Mantra are filler. In that they seem nothing more than ideas they couldn't figure out how to work into a song, and the album improves if you skip them. Disposition/Reflection/Triad did not have to be that long. Faaip De Oiad I personally like. Hey, I gave Lateralus a 4.5.

Undertow was mostly music. Just not all that great music. Although I say Sober's their best song.

Some of the filler on AEnima is great, it's just way too overdone. What you're left with once you dissect it is 5 tracks that transcend the genre, and far too much ordinary stuff. I don't give it higher than a 4 because it's not an album I'd recommend to someone who didn't like metal or hard rock. Lateralus I would, but I can think of better choices.

What you said about your burned copy of AEnima is exactly what I meant. An album does not need to 79 minutes long to be great. A 7-track long AEnima (Stinkfist/Eulogy/46 & 2/Hooker With A *****/Pu****/Aenema/Third Eye, I presume?) would have been almost perfect. But, as it stands, they need to get rid of the slack to make a truly, truly great album.

The JoZ
09-29-2004, 11:26 AM
Firstly, Eon Blue isn't filler...it's short, but there's actual music going on. I like it. Mantra I skip, however.

Disposition is a bit repetitive, but has one of the best basslines ever. Reflection has grown on me quite a bit, and is also one of my favorite songs.

My 7-track Aenima is as follows:

Stinkfist
Eulogy
H
46 and 2
Hooker
Aenima
Third Eye.

I don't like Pushit all that much, nor jimmy.

Even w/ your rating of 4.5, I still don't see how you can't consider Lateralus a 'truly, truly great album'...

And I'm not trying to fight w/ you, just saying. :thumb:

Iai
09-29-2004, 11:51 AM
Truly, truly great would be a 5. An album that's (almost) indisputedly great and will still be remembered in 30-odd years.

It may happen with Lateralus, but from conversations I've had with various people, a lot of people are starting to get very bored of it and don't like it that much any more. There's some truly, truly great songs on AEnima that people aren't getting sick of - the problem with AEnima being, there aren't enough of those songs, and the ones that aren't at that level aren't great.

They just need the balance right. Quality of AEnima's peaks, more resembling the structure of Lateralus.

The JoZ
09-29-2004, 11:59 AM
I can agree with that, but quite honestly, I haven't gotten bored with Lateralus...or any Tool for that matter....

I guess, however, you've got to be a fan of huge songs...if you're not, then, yeah, I can see how Lateralus might be boring...

rescyou.
09-29-2004, 12:05 PM
i haven't grown tired of Lateralus either. it's a beautiful album, and in my mind, the epitome of their work.

that's only my opinion tho.

i find that Aenima is lacking at times, it's a truly great album, but not worthy of masterpiece status. i can't get over how i find it annoying with Ions. i just NEED to turn over when that song comes on. when i'm lying down on my bed, i don't want to have to do that.

with Lateralus or Undertow, there is no need for me to get up, i don't want to. i want to listen to every second of every song all the time, all the way through.

i don't know how Tool create such masterful work, but kudo's to them on their work ethic. i enjoy Tool as much as i love candy.

Tool will forever remain a favourite band of mine, and the new album can only send them into epic status.

SubtleDagger
09-29-2004, 12:43 PM
I don't understand how everyone can value this band so highly. Yes, Lateralus was good. Not the best album ever, but it was pretty good. It had melody. It had songs. Every other Tool album I've heard, most songs are built on an amazing two chords. The other songs are pretentious filler that is irritating and useless.

It's nice that they've finally gotten with the program, but Undertow and AEnima don't come close. And Opiate and Salival aren't even worth mentioning.

YDload
09-29-2004, 03:34 PM
I don't know what you find wrong with Aenima, SD. I think it has a better collection of solid songs than Lateralus, but Lateralus is a more cohesive recording (and contains Parabol/Parabola, my favorite Tool song ever).

The JoZ
09-29-2004, 04:15 PM
I don't understand how everyone can value this band so highly. Yes, Lateralus was good. Not the best album ever, but it was pretty good. It had melody. It had songs. Every other Tool album I've heard, most songs are built on an amazing two chords. The other songs are pretentious filler that is irritating and useless.

It's nice that they've finally gotten with the program, but Undertow and AEnima don't come close. And Opiate and Salival aren't even worth mentioning.

On that token, I don't see how alot of people value many death metal bands so highly.

Most death metal bands are one-dimensional, and it's all about speed and/or tremolo picking. Very few bands use any melody, or use any form of non-screaming singing. So, ragging on Tool for using some of the same chords over and over (which, btw, is larger than 2) is not a reason to rag on them.

The filler is irritating and useless, I give you that. I will agree with anyone who calls the filler tracks stupid, because they are.

Wanker
09-29-2004, 04:36 PM
I say both Eon Blue Apocalypse and Mantra are filler.

Eon Blue Apocalypse isn't filler though. Plus, some of the filler tracks on nema are quite interesting. Message to Harry Maback has a great piano part.

HendrixSantana
09-29-2004, 04:54 PM
IMO:
Lateralus: 9.5/10 (Almost perfect)
AEnima: 8.5/10 (I'm not going to deny it, the filler is what brings this one down)
Undertow: 8.5/10 (I know some people wouldn't give it the same rating as AEnima, but I feel that it is an amazing album and not just your normal "metal". It's so much more.)
Opiate: 6/10 (Still great but it doesn't compare to their other albums at all)

SubtleDagger
09-29-2004, 04:56 PM
On that token, I don't see how alot of people value many death metal bands so highly.

Most death metal bands are one-dimensional, and it's all about speed and/or tremolo picking. Very few bands use any melody, or use any form of non-screaming singing. So, ragging on Tool for using some of the same chords over and over (which, btw, is larger than 2) is not a reason to rag on them.

The filler is irritating and useless, I give you that. I will agree with anyone who calls the filler tracks stupid, because they are.
I don't know where you got the idea I like death metal, but the few bands I do like in that genre are a lot different than the ones you're talking about. In other words, I have perfect reason to dislike Tool and say so because I am in no way a hypocrite when I say that that is what I dislike about their music.

I'm sorry to both you and YD, but songs like "Sober" are boring and irritating to me. Maynard's fine, he's a decent singer, but progressions around the same tired two chord structure get very old, very fast. And to say AEnima is different is only correct given a few songs. "Stinkfist" follows pretty much the same formula as well as a large portions of the album. Lateralus does not, so it is the only real enjoyable Tool album I've heard.

The JoZ
09-29-2004, 05:01 PM
It wasn't a shot at you personally, I was just giving an example. I see tons of people praise death metal, hardcore, 'metalcore' bands till there's no tomorrow. I was just saying that I can't understand why people praise them so highly, since almost all of it sounds the same to me.

If you think Aenima sounds samey, don't listen to Opiate, because it's even worse.

x the patient x6
09-29-2004, 05:07 PM
i find the filler tracks entertaining, i just find Intermission funny. and Die Eier Von Satan is the one that got me into Tool (the fact that it was a german recipe for cookies is what got me intrested, not the song itself) to me, Pushit was genious, and jimmy was great too, if you listen to them closely

anyway, about Undertow


i like it, every now and then its fun to give it a listen all the way through...i find after listening to it for a few days that the first 3 songs are all i listen to, and then i put it donw, and reach for Lateralus (which dispite being different, still great) or Opiate, the fact that Tools sound changes slightly over each record doesnt effect the way i look at them, Salival is "ai'ght" glad i didnt buy it, id get bored fast...and, theres some intresting things about Faaip De Oiad and Eon Blue Apocolypse here:
http://www.toolpantheon.com/lateralus_meanings.htm

ok later

x the patient x6
09-29-2004, 05:11 PM
13. Faaip De Oiad

We have finally reached the end of our destination and we can now hear the "Voice of God", and this is what he tells us. Not what you expected?

thats the Faaip De Oaid meaning, and if i recall correctly, the phone call was a hoax...what does that tell you about God?

SubtleDagger
09-29-2004, 05:19 PM
Don't worry, JoZ, I already know Opiate is awful.

YDload
09-29-2004, 05:34 PM
I think the reason I like "Undertow" so much is because I haven't heard it in a while. I remember getting kind of sick of the last three or four songs, and "Disgustipated" is just horrendous. However, the first four tracks are great.

SubtleDagger
09-29-2004, 05:36 PM
Fine, 4/10, then.
It's not like the music is awful, just not 8 or 9/10 material.

Waky Ball
09-29-2004, 08:23 PM
i give it 7/10. And you people should stop ragging on Flood, I think the intro's pretty cool myself. Not the best song on there, but what the hell.

Aenima > Lateralus
Tool > Music nowadays

The JoZ
09-29-2004, 09:53 PM
Don't worry, JoZ, I already know Opiate is awful.

Meh.

I put on Opiate when I just want some heavy rock...

but Part of Me has got to be the most repetitive song done by ANYONE...

w/e...

Tool pxn > you

/me = drunk, so don't mind me.

PeEpHoLe_10
09-30-2004, 05:05 AM
Firstly, Eon Blue isn't filler...it's short, but there's actual music going on. I like it. Mantra I skip, however.

Disposition is a bit repetitive, but has one of the best basslines ever. Reflection has grown on me quite a bit, and is also one of my favorite songs.

My 7-track Aenima is as follows:

Stinkfist
Eulogy
H
46 and 2
Hooker
Aenima
Third Eye.

I don't like Pushit all that much, nor jimmy.

Even w/ your rating of 4.5, I still don't see how you can't consider Lateralus a 'truly, truly great album'...

And I'm not trying to fight w/ you, just saying. :thumb:

Wow, Pu**** is probably my favourite Tool song. Along with Third Eye of course.

Adam Jones is GOD
09-30-2004, 05:46 AM
Is it just me or does Undertow seem quiter than the other Tool CDs? I dont mean as in composition, but as in actual level of volume when played.

PeEpHoLe_10
10-01-2004, 05:16 AM
I think it might be just you.

GhoulScout
10-01-2004, 11:44 PM
For me, it would go

Aenima
Lateralus
Undertow
Opiate

I can sit through aenima forever and enver get tired, I need to be in the mood to really listen to lateralus; which is often but not as much as aenima. Ive listen to aenima so much Third Eye is starting to skip, lol. Pu**** will always remain one of my favorite TOOL songs; though suprisingly alot of TOOL fans hate it.

great review man

PeEpHoLe_10
10-02-2004, 04:54 AM
^^^
Not me.

Bartender
10-02-2004, 05:09 AM
Not you what?

The JoZ
10-02-2004, 10:26 AM
Not you what?

He means he's a Tool fan who doesn't hate Pushit.

Honestly, the majority of Tool fans I have spoken to have been huge fans of that song, and most of them can't seem to fathom why I don't like the song.
I don't know why I don't like it, it just doesn't draw me in like any of their other songs. This one seems particularly repetitive and drones on about 4 minutes longer than it needs to...meh. Third Eye owns it either way, but w/e :p

YDload
10-02-2004, 04:13 PM
The only part of Push It I really like is the insane breakdown before the quiet part (but the one in H. is still better) and the neat guitar riffs after the quiet part ("Saw the gap again today..." *guitar riff*).

The JoZ
10-02-2004, 04:36 PM
I like Maynard's singing on it, but that's about it..

The breakdown in H is just beautiful.

Bartender
10-02-2004, 04:42 PM
Well I like Pushit, anyway. As with a lot of Tool songs, my favourite bit ends up being some climax at the end (in this case "Remember I will always love you, even as I tear your fucking throat away").

GhoulScout
10-03-2004, 12:20 AM
Third Eye owns it either way, but w/e :p

Third Eye and Push-it are tied for me.....amazing songs; some of the best tool songs IMO.

kurrpt
10-28-2004, 08:07 AM
i think tryin to decide what is the best tool album is like deciding which spice girl you'd rather make babies with. Well maybe not quite, but what the point of deciding when you can have them all

Lumiere
10-28-2004, 08:59 AM
This was my favourite album ever, but I got tired of it.
It's still the best TOOL album, IMO.

Kage
10-28-2004, 08:19 PM
Is it just me or does Undertow seem quiter than the other Tool CDs? I dont mean as in composition, but as in actual level of volume when played.

Yes, it does seem quieter than the other albums, and less dynamically exciting, which is probably due to the production of it. It's my least favorite Tool CD, but still a **** great album.

Psychonaut
10-28-2004, 08:27 PM
I agree with GhoulScout on the order of the cd's Aenima is there best work its all ive listened to this month. And its the only one that sound bad *** on the system in my car love pulling up to ppl that are playing rap with bass and drowned them out with Aenima :naughty:

suspectofsubtlety
11-22-2004, 04:17 AM
That's it psychonaut, spread the TOOL.

I have just bought undertow and am currently listening to it for the first time.

Lateralus and anemia are on a level par IMO, lateralus has parabol/a and anemia has H.
(My two favoutire TOOL songs at the moment.)

The thing i've found is that lateralus seems a more positive album than much of the rest of TOOL's work and i think that in some ways makes it the most original, combined with the original style expressed on lateralus. I would say that i could draw camparisons between the other TOOL albums and bands like rage against the machine, but there is NOTHING like LATERALus.

Bartender
11-22-2004, 04:30 AM
How do you get from Tool to RATM?

Wanker
11-22-2004, 07:54 AM
How do you get from Tool to RATM?

From his bum.

Adam Jones is GOD
11-22-2004, 08:11 AM
How do you get from Tool to RATM?

Adam and Tom taught each other guitar, so maybe there may be slight technique similarities.

Apart from that, there isnt really any strong link

The JoZ
11-22-2004, 08:54 AM
I don't think Adam taught Tom much of anything. They worked together in high school on music, a little, and I know Tom taught Adam some stuff, but I don't think the reverse is true...

YDload
11-22-2004, 05:09 PM
They both use Drop-D, so that makes them the same band, duh!

ok lateralus
11-22-2004, 05:25 PM
Good review, but Flood deserves a 9 or 10.

dirge for november
11-23-2004, 12:47 AM
the song sober was awesome, but i havent heard the others. *looks at music store website for cd*

SubtleDagger
11-23-2004, 10:38 AM
I recently received this entire album on a burned disc. I can honestly say in retrospect that it's even more dull and useless than I said it was. I'd rate it a 2.5, because there's maybe two or three decent songs. Honestly, though, I don't see why anyone would rate this so highly. It is simply not interesting.

ok lateralus
11-24-2004, 03:53 PM
I recently received this entire album on a burned disc. I can honestly say in retrospect that it's even more dull and useless than I said it was. I'd rate it a 2.5, because there's maybe two or three decent songs. Honestly, though, I don't see why anyone would rate this so highly. It is simply not interesting.

That's what I thought at first- listen to it more, it might grow on you