Screaming... some pointers

[Merkaba]

depends on how much you value your cords. and thats not trying to be funny.
how much do you do? are you back up, or lead? i would at least warm up with typical warm up stuff like you would here any singer do. it will help get the cords loose and ready. if youre making sounds , youre using the cords, so its good to have them warmed up to there best. plus you get more longevity. and warm down as well.

[LilSexyGuitarDood]

So i have a question, is there any techniques on screaming like... the guy from Story Of The Year or something, he has a really sweet scream....

any tips?

[Yasgotcha69]

So i have a question, is there any techniques on screaming like... the guy from Story Of The Year or something, he has a really sweet scream....

any tips?

Dan from Story of the Year is who i model my scream after. When i started modelling my scream after him, i realized that singing/screaming along to story of the year actually helps to mold your voice a bit like that. Your voice eventually picks up how you want to sound and conforms as best as it can to the voice your screaming with. Or so i think so anyways, but there is technique and alot of work involved. I've met Dan from story of the year and asked him how he started off (screaming). He told me that you just gotta drink alot of f**king water and scream your balls off. something like that ahah...oh the inspiration he gave me ahah. anyways, good luck, doubt i helped,but i tried.
Also, because Dans scream can hit many notes and has a wide range, make sure you can sing the notes he screams before trying to scream them. If you cant hit the pitch singing, you wont get near it screaming.

[j0s1ah]

thats cool you met him...lol subjective advice...;)

[LilSexyGuitarDood]

yeah thanks...i'm goin to go see em in Nov. when they come to Hard Rock, ah I cant wait they are so sick live.

[Merkaba]

Dan from Story of the Year is who i model my scream after. When i started modelling my scream after him, i realized that singing/screaming along to story of the year actually helps to mold your voice a bit like that. Your voice eventually picks up how you want to sound and conforms as best as it can to the voice your screaming with. Or so i think so anyways, but there is technique and alot of work involved. I've met Dan from story of the year and asked him how he started off (screaming). He told me that you just gotta drink alot of f**king water and scream your balls off. something like that ahah...oh the inspiration he gave me ahah. anyways, good luck, doubt i helped,but i tried.
Also, because Dans scream can hit many notes and has a wide range, make sure you can sing the notes he screams before trying to scream them. If you cant hit the pitch singing, you wont get near it screaming.
good to see that other pro's agree, drink water!! stay hydrated. and yea, i always stress being able to sing the note first. any scream is still a note. and you have to be able to control that note. learn to sing first. Screaming is just a hard note with some effects on it.

[Merkaba]

Thanks man, I think I'm just gonna break down and take singing lessons.....
well the thing is you can take them in spurts. its not like a contract(usually) where you have to go all the time. go to get a foundation at least.

[metaliq]

I realized something today Merkaba.

My style for 'growling' has alot of vibration from my throat. Like if I touch my trachea (right word, right? hehe) i can feel the vibration below or behind my adams apple. Are my vocal chords making the vibration? Because I remember you saying that that isnt good for them...

I am not doing high pitched stuff, just death metal growls. I believe i have the falsetto down, so im not as much concerned with that. But I am afraid that I may be doing damage if the vibration is bad. My throat doesnt hurt (except a tiny bit of irritation, most likely due to the 'above normal' air being pushed on the back of my throat) and my singing isnt off, so to *me* it doesnt feel like its harming me... but still...

I just have this image in my head of the vocal chords just floppin around because the vibration... any input? Thanks man, its much appreciated.

[Merkaba]

Well, yea. cords are vibrating hundreds of times a second! lol, but youre gonna feel alot of vibration in the throat while doing anything below falsetto...more as you go lower. Youre referring to when i said youre pushing and the cords are flapping. youre still gonna have alot of vibation either way. its something you might have to do just to realize what it feels like. but it basically comes from pushing really hard while in chest or head and its not really comfortable or balanced feeling.

the only thing i can say is to try to get a falsetto "feel" when you do your stuff, yes, even the lower stuff. this just means that youre allowing your throat to open. and still practice isolation. low growls, well that means your cords are thicker. but again, the way to make sure youre headed in the right direction(s), be sure to feel as if youre about to sing the note. this can actually give you more tone and help you decrease pushing, increase sound and volume, and increase stamina and longevity. low sounds, (chest voice) are gonna vibrate the trachea more and the lungs (duh, chest voice). so i couldnt really tell you. sounds like youre on top of your game though. just continue to pay attention to yourself. thats how i learned alot. and of course, no pain...no affect to speaking voice. Be sure to warm down though, you need the cords to go back to a normal shape.

keep working

[Rats]

Thanks a lot Merkaba & everyone else who helped! I have been practicing this stuff for like a month now and finally got it DOWN! Once i save up enough to get a good mic i'll make some recordings.

[Bleeding Through]

Wow, I read every single page of this! Very usefull information indeedI'm already starting to see some results. I'm hoping to get a scream like Brandan from Bleeding Through or Jesse, the former singer of Killswitch Engage.

[theshhh]

Dan from Story of the Year is who i model my scream after. When i started modelling my scream after him, i realized that singing/screaming along to story of the year actually helps to mold your voice a bit like that. Your voice eventually picks up how you want to sound and conforms as best as it can to the voice your screaming with. Or so i think so anyways, but there is technique and alot of work involved. I've met Dan from story of the year and asked him how he started off (screaming). He told me that you just gotta drink alot of f**king water and scream your balls off. something like that ahah...oh the inspiration he gave me ahah. anyways, good luck, doubt i helped,but i tried.
Also, because Dans scream can hit many notes and has a wide range, make sure you can sing the notes he screams before trying to scream them. If you cant hit the pitch singing, you wont get near it screaming.


uh not really true, i cant hit pretty much any high note singing but i can scream as high as '#12 looks like you' can maybe alittle higher

[Merkaba]

#12 looks like you

wtf??

[davidw_9]

hey, i was just wondering what are some good warm ups before you start screaming? im sorry if someone has already given that advice i must have missed it while i was looking through the forum. any help would be great thanks.




ps. thanks alot to all those who have helped! due to the advice i have read i can now scream in my friends band :thumb:

[theshhh]

#12 looks like you

wtf??


yeah check em out on kazaa or somthing

The Number 12 Looks Like You, Civeta Dei is one of my favorites.

[Merkaba]

hey, i was just wondering what are some good warm ups before you start screaming? im sorry if someone has already given that advice i must have missed it while i was looking through the forum. any help would be great thanks.




ps. thanks alot to all those who have helped! due to the advice i have read i can now scream in my friends band :thumb:

i have some stuff in my voicehelp hotline

[Nightvision]

I'm happy with my sound, and I'm pretty sure I'm doing things correctly (not getting any pain etc) - my one problem would be what I'm assuming is down to my lung capacity - I've got quite a large lung capacity (can hold my breath for approx 1min 30s) but for some reason I'm running out of breath very very quickly when screaming - I can make the "Die Young and Save Yourself" scream from Brand New's Sic Transit Gloria, but anything more than about 2 seconds long I seem to break up on.
I do seem to have a pretty loud scream (our drummer heard me crystal clear from upstairs on the other side of the building, and I wasn't using a mic) so could it be the fact that I'm getting too much volume that's killing the length of my scream?

[leomondaine]

im annoyed cus i cant scream or sing high, its just cus of my vocal range and me having a deep voice :( i sound like cookie monster when i scream

[headbass]

WHat About ME??

Have any tips for girls who like to scream. I haven't seen it done much, but i love to do it. WHen i do, My voice always gives, and cracks. My voice is low pitched, but when i try to do it like Breaking Benjamin, it doesn't sound right. I mean, I know he's a guy, and thats the difference, but whats a girl to do? :evil:

[bloodclotsandblackholes]

im annoyed cus i cant scream or sing high, its just cus of my vocal range and me having a deep voice :( i sound like cookie monster when i scream
hehe. sorry i had to laugh. i love cookie monster.

[bloodclotsandblackholes]

WHat About ME??

Have any tips for girls who like to scream. I haven't seen it done much, but i love to do it. WHen i do, My voice always gives, and cracks. My voice is low pitched, but when i try to do it like Breaking Benjamin, it doesn't sound right. I mean, I know he's a guy, and thats the difference, but whats a girl to do? :evil:
i have the same question. except my voice doesnt crack. when i scream i sound like geoff from thursday, except fuller. is there some sort of technique that i can use? because from what i thought, girls dont have falsetto. i do scream in all three of my bands at the moment (and play bass or guitar, not lead). ive been doing it for about six months, and after i have been screaming to a cd for about 45 minutes, i dont feel any pain or anything, so am i doing most things right?

[Merkaba]

I'm happy with my sound, and I'm pretty sure I'm doing things correctly (not getting any pain etc) - my one problem would be what I'm assuming is down to my lung capacity - I've got quite a large lung capacity (can hold my breath for approx 1min 30s) but for some reason I'm running out of breath very very quickly when screaming - I can make the "Die Young and Save Yourself" scream from Brand New's Sic Transit Gloria, but anything more than about 2 seconds long I seem to break up on.
I do seem to have a pretty loud scream (our drummer heard me crystal clear from upstairs on the other side of the building, and I wasn't using a mic) so could it be the fact that I'm getting too much volume that's killing the length of my scream?

your cords are acoustic instruments.
Play any acoustic instrument really hard and loud and its always the same. Overkill. youre just blowing. if you've got that kind of capacity you should be able to carry at least a 15 second scream. I've done a few around thirty or fourty. I had to get my lungs x rayed when i was young and the doctor remarked about how big my lungs were. but none the less, its about learning proper breath support. I cant really repeat much now cause its late

[Merkaba]

WHat About ME??

Have any tips for girls who like to scream. I haven't seen it done much, but i love to do it. WHen i do, My voice always gives, and cracks. My voice is low pitched, but when i try to do it like Breaking Benjamin, it doesn't sound right. I mean, I know he's a guy, and thats the difference, but whats a girl to do? :evil:
There are no differences among the sexes other than the size of the larynx. hence no "adams apple" . but this means that if youre trying to sing a guys voice you might be over stressing your head voice because he might be in falsetto or mixed voice. and you might not be able to get down to a low enough falsetto get me? you just cant go so low in falsetto before you cords close and then its head. otherwise, all of the usual tips pertain to females as well.

[Merkaba]

i have the same question. except my voice doesnt crack. when i scream i sound like geoff from thursday, except fuller. is there some sort of technique that i can use? because from what i thought, girls dont have falsetto. i do scream in all three of my bands at the moment (and play bass or guitar, not lead). ive been doing it for about six months, and after i have been screaming to a cd for about 45 minutes, i dont feel any pain or anything, so am i doing most things right?

see my other female reply above.

and falsetto is just when you open the cords to sing. babies have falsetto ...women do to. everyone does. now some teachers dont train falsetto, but you have it.

no pain, no affect to speaking voice....etc..... keep going! however you should always be looking for ways to go for balance ...unless youre just wanting to eventually get around to vocal discomfort. hey, you might already be well balanced.

[metaliq]

Merkaba! I think I have a NEW question for you. Believe it or not.

Here be the link to the band: http://www.purevolume.com/everytimeidie

Everytime I Die. His vocal style is more of a 'shout/scream' verses growl or falsetto scream. HOW does it do it without going mute after one show... (I saw them sunday btw... hehe... good show- zao, misery signals, everytime i die, dillinger escape plan).

But anyway... whats your input? There has to be a technique if he can do it every night and not throw his voice off.

[Merkaba]

Merkaba! I think I have a NEW question for you. Believe it or not.

Here be the link to the band: http://www.purevolume.com/everytimeidie

Everytime I Die. His vocal style is more of a 'shout/scream' verses growl or falsetto scream. HOW does it do it without going mute after one show... (I saw them sunday btw... hehe... good show- zao, misery signals, everytime i die, dillinger escape plan).

But anyway... whats your input? There has to be a technique if he can do it every night and not throw his voice off.

I listened. And yes there is a technique.
Its the same thing. He's just adding rasp to his singing. While yes singing rather hard. But the key is to learn to not move the larynx...as minimal as possible. I dont know any other ways other than to practice isolation. If you havent really studied the cords, then you have to be your own judge. you have to be able to isolate the throat from the cords. some people just do it "naturally" ...some cant. you have to know the feeling of squeezing the cords, and the feeling of squeezing the throat. the two of which have to be seperated. you have to squeeze the cords in order to hold them together against the resistance of air....but you also have to slightely pull down the throat in order to get the rasp. slightely...too much and you hinder the airflow and thus create even more pressure on the cords. And of course proper support is key. These guys sound like they play in a low key, like B or something. so that makes it waaay easier. So to sum up...its just the same stuff i usually post. but it takes alot of strength....relative to normal singing...so if you cant do it, its something that takes time. but probably more technique than time. you have to learn to keep the larynx open. its just that simple.

[bamboomonkey]

Anyone know how to sing/scream/growl like Johnny Morrow? (Iron Monkey)
As far as I know, he screamed completely differently to anyone that was/is about. He's certainly worth checking out if you want to hear screaming, as his technique certainly appears to be original and rarely, if ever imitated.

[Merkaba]

got a link to a sample?

[Bleeding Through]

Alright, I've read this whole thread and I've tried doing things like Jay said, but I'm obvisouly doing something wrong because I keep straining my voice. I'm keeping my jaw and shoulders relaxed, and I'm pushing hard with my stomach, but I just can't seem to scream without hurting my throat. I'm trying to duplicate Brandan's scream from Bleeding Through (a good example of one of their sngs is "Love Lost in a Hail of Gunfire), but so far I've had no success.

My regular singing voice has improved alot using the techniques in this thread. Like I can sing louder and hold notes longer, but my scream just won't come out right.

Thanks for any advice.

[Merkaba]

You dont push hard with your stomach. Your lungs are always stronger than your cords! you support with your diaphragm yes, and sometimes you might want to squeeze it a bit but not alot. Alot of the stuff from earlier in this thread is not good as far as trying to teach a new person how to scream. Theres more to it than just pushing. Thats where you tear your cords up. You should be able to get any scream with no more than a 60 to 70 percent push. anything more than that comes with time and building strength.

Practice getting what you want with less push, not more. and remember that youre still trying to hit a note. practice hitting high notes in high head voice and high falsetto ,and again, you dont have to push all that hard especially in head voice. you want to push less, because the cords are thinner. too much of a push and your cords dont vibrate as much, they just flutter up and down more than making a wave across themselves which is where you get the sound from. And remember your cords lay horizontal across your adams apple. this helped me alot , i dont know how, but it gave me an idea of what it should feel like to isolate the cords. basically what most people are trying to do is rasp a high falsetto off the back of your throat.

A big key is to have support in your gut though, and it should slightly.....SLIGHTLY feel like youre pushing a grunt. The grunt feel is the pressure behind the cords, but you hold it enough so that its not blasting pass. Practice singing, then singing hard which is really not that much of a push either. When you scream you should feel like youre getting ready to hold any other note, you just pull the back of your throat down a bit to scrape the sound off. check out my Voicehelp hot line sticky if you havent already.

[metaliq]

Hey Merkaba...

I've tried to do isolation... but when I hit my falsetto my adams apple goes pretty high... is that normal for falsetto or no?

And should my adam's apple sit about normal... or lower? Because I cant seem to do as well if I make it go below its normal position.

[Merkaba]

yea. it will rise in oder to close your throat....naturally...again your body knows that it cant get a high sound from a long thick larynx/cords. the thing is to realize the feel of it happening naturally and not under pressure and tense. Thats good. its good that you realize that. just dont push too hard...and continue to do it without trying to do it. while youre isolating all of your sounds may not come out good. its because the throat has to shift and move, but the key is to realize what it feels like to do it naturally and to have your mind on your cords only and not the throat...so it does it naturally. you can tuck your chin a little bit here and there, play around with that, in various degrees. not too extreme. but helps to keep the throat open while the larynx rises. play with that. and try to feel like youre opening back and up when you need to open up. not just opening your mouth, but the back of the throat, experiment with the throat muscles as you progress. as you do just sing normally and try to feel the differences. and continue to isolate until you know youre isolating without thinking about it as you form various sounds, consanants, and emotional faces.

and the apple will go lower for lower tones....and vice versa. its just physics. but you dont want it tensing as it does. thats the key. and playing with the throat a bit can help you get an edge on keeping it open. i put my tongue on my bottom lip alot, you dont want it pressing around that much either, and let your cheekbones rise like a snarling dog. just play around with the feelings and find if it helps you open up.

:thumb:

[Bleeding Through]

Many thanks, this is helping me more than you know.

I was hoping to get a 'Bleeding Through' kind of scream/growl, but after some experimentation I've found that I can get a 'Factory 81' type sound, except abit lower. Not quite what I was hoping for, but I think I finally found a style that I physically handle. Mind you, I do this with more of a 'whisper scream' thing, and although I've been playing with techinque and all, I still get a slight discomfort after doing it for a little while. I just hope that playing around to find what will work will not end up hurting me in any way.

If I can get my voice recorded I'll post it up so you can hear it.

Thanks.

[Merkaba]

Practice singing. I cant reiterate it enough. like i say. you cant run before you can walk. so to speak. you have to build a good platform for later construction. the foundation is the most important part of the house...etc, etc. hehe. trust me. its way easier to damage something by just over reaching to get a particular sound you may not be capable of just yet. be patient. practice going up in head voice. it works to strengthen the cords while being thin. which is what you need for higher falsetto stuff. and remember not to over push.

yes a sample would be cool.

be careful and be patient. how old are you anyways? If i've already asked, sue me! hehe

[LiLPuP51]

I have to agree with soundless.Vow. This is much more descriptive. Thanks bud. I'm trying to get a good scream going. I have an audition for a band a week from now. And they just want to see if I CAN scream if neccesary.But with the information im getting here im sure I can do that ****. I have a natural deep voice and that"SCREAMING 101" didnt help much for me. It was VERY tech, and not descriptive. With my singing abilities and this new information i know I can impress these guys.Once again. thanks man

[Merkaba]

I think i responded to another one of your posts in a different thread. Did you check out the voice samples in the hotline?....

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21991

[Bleeding Through]

Practice singing. I cant reiterate it enough. like i say. you cant run before you can walk. so to speak. you have to build a good platform for later construction. the foundation is the most important part of the house...etc, etc. hehe. trust me. its way easier to damage something by just over reaching to get a particular sound you may not be capable of just yet. be patient. practice going up in head voice. it works to strengthen the cords while being thin. which is what you need for higher falsetto stuff. and remember not to over push.

yes a sample would be cool.

be careful and be patient. how old are you anyways? If i've already asked, sue me! hehe

I'm 20, soon to be 21.

When my allergies aren't acting up I have a fairly good singing voice, and I do get plenty of practice. Thanks for the tips.

[osirisblind]

Hey Merkaba, sorry I don't want to sound like and idiot if you've covered this already (I read all the other threads and from what I saw I couldn't fit this into any real style).
Anyways, I was wondering what Leftover Crack or the Casualties would fit into. Each have their own raw type of singing and screaming and I was wondering if this is a physical thing (ie. all the beer/pot/smoking they inhale), or is it just a certain style that is possible to achieve?
Thanks man,
Adrian

edit: oh and if it matters, I'm 16, deep voice though which only cracks/distorts with lots of pushing on my part..

[Winter-seed...AKA b&h]

its is most probably more of a yell than a scream

[Merkaba]

Hey Merkaba, sorry I don't want to sound like and idiot if you've covered this already (I read all the other threads and from what I saw I couldn't fit this into any real style).
Anyways, I was wondering what Leftover Crack or the Casualties would fit into. Each have their own raw type of singing and screaming and I was wondering if this is a physical thing (ie. all the beer/pot/smoking they inhale), or is it just a certain style that is possible to achieve?
Thanks man,
Adrian

edit: oh and if it matters, I'm 16, deep voice though which only cracks/distorts with lots of pushing on my part..

well i've heard of them but Im not familiar with there songs or sound. But again, if it sounds like a raspy scream...its air off of the back of the throat. Thats all it can be unless they are just pushing so hard their cords flutter which is a no no. Otherwise they have to be a high pitch squeel maybe. In any event, you can be that you have to be able to make the note first. All screams just basically are the same except the amount of head voice thats used verses falsetto. And you can kinda mix the two which is a mixed voice, which i think Jay talked about a while back...power falsetto. you kinda get the best of both worlds. It depends on how much cord activatin you want. you basically do both at the same time. which is sing a falsetto note but add in the feeling of head voice. this takes practice but most people are already doing it anyways. I'll try to check them out. but in case i cant, do you have a link to any of their songs? You might could imagine me having to do this quite abit per these requests. wouldnt be that bad if i werent on dialup. plus im fighting some weird virus activity on here which makes my online experience less than desirable. hehe.

[osirisblind]

http://www.purevolume.com/notapproved/unofficialleftovercrack

That site has a couple songs you can listen to just by clicking the name..
I just put the site up today so it may not be approved until tomorrow, or tonight..
Hope you get the chance to check it out.
Anyways, thanks a lot!
Adrian

[Merkaba]

I hate PV's streaming. it sux for us dialup folks. its not approved yet but I'll check it out.

[darkslide]

thanks for the tips, I have ****ed up my voice afew times from screaming too loud. I'll try your tips when I get my new microphone.

[wussrocker]

S~C~R~E~A~M~! :amaze:

[Merkaba]

S~C~R~E~A~M~! :amaze:

Welcome...Glad to see you went through the registration in order to come here and make that your first post. :rolleyes:

[wussrocker]

I actually wrote something with more input but when I sent it the **** thing didn't go through...I didn't copy what I wrote and it was late so i just tried it again and typed scream! glad you enjoyed my first post Merkaba.

I am actually intrested in learning. To let you know I have heard your samples and have read your lesson and am currently in the works of practicing my scream.

[wussrocker]

In fact to continue...I have been doing the car thing when I travel back and forth to work and home. I agree it's the best place! I am at the point where I can whisper scream if that makes any sense an oxymoron in fact. I am practicing pushing the air at the same time while messing with my throat muscles (Using the cheek bone smile thing). I can hear a tone that sounds like a scream if i were to increase the volume...maybe even if I were doing it in a mic.

BTW - this whole thread took me about 2 hours to read last night...good info...and awesome advice! I have learned that copy and paste can be your friend on these forums!

[Humpy]

Hey guys...

I'm a first timer here in this forum (spend most of my days over with the other guitarists). I've been playing guitar for almost a year and a half now, and I just started getting into growling. So if you could give me a few tips on how to get better at stuff like Akerfelt's (Opeth) growling, I'd appreciate it. I find that I can growl like that pretty good, but only at low volumes. I don't know if this has already been asked or not, if so just give me a link... but I wasn't about to go through 23 pages lol

Thanks in advance for any help :thumb:

[Merkaba]

In fact to continue...I have been doing the car thing when I travel back and forth to work and home. I agree it's the best place! I am at the point where I can whisper scream if that makes any sense an oxymoron in fact. I am practicing pushing the air at the same time while messing with my throat muscles (Using the cheek bone smile thing). I can hear a tone that sounds like a scream if i were to increase the volume...maybe even if I were doing it in a mic.

BTW - this whole thread took me about 2 hours to read last night...good info...and awesome advice! I have learned that copy and paste can be your friend on these forums!

YOu will do yourself a BIG BIG BIG favor if you spend equal time singing the notes. I dont know if you do or not. spend lots of time singing. like as "true form" as you can, like operatic. I used to sing Sarah mclachlin and jewel...(sue me if you dont like em). Screaming is just a loud hard note with extra air. the extra air is like adding plates on the barbell in the gym. your cords have to be able to take the resitance. you can always do more if you get the blood flowing well first(warming up). When you scream youre trying to still get tone. that tone comes from the cords. singing will get them stronger with less irritation and chance of hurting something. plus it helps with strength and stamina, and can help with range. I think most teachers will tell you the same. But hey, you might be doing it already. Good luck, keep us posted. remember dont over push, and warm down. :wave:

[wussrocker]

3 years singing now. 2 1/2 years of incorrect method and 6 months of voice lessons! ~memories of humming and causing vibration in the head~

So yesterday while going home I started singing a song and then I tried boosting a note/word with a scream....the word Y~O~U~! :amaze: My volume went way down and the boost actually never happened as if I was doing a silent scream. It didn't hurt but it felt like I was resisting pushing out the air correctly. What am I doing wrong? What should I be doing? My guess is more practice...

NO pain at all in the past 2 weeks of practicing...is that normal...or does it mean I am using incorrect technique? I read in this thread that I should experince muscles pains if you have never screamed before during the first few weeks. Maybe it's because I am not really screaming high volume yet? I dunno please help me you experinced SCREAMERS!

[Winter-seed...AKA b&h]

hey merkaba, since my voice has been better for a long time now iv decided to start screaming again....now i just have a question.
Iv relised that the way i was screaming before may have sounded good but it was ruining my voice...so its most probably the wrong way of doing it.Iv found a new way of screaming an it sounds rad to me but i just wanted to know if this was the right way.
The way i do it now is more like going "HUH" then it closes off your throat or vocal chords (i dunno which one cause i know nothing about that sort of stuff) then i keep pushing an it comes out as a scream....this way i can do it at soft and medium volumes an i dont really have to push hard at all ....most of the time i pust at around 50-60%,i get no affect to my voice or i dont go hoarse. Sometimes it feels a bit irritating an makes me cough but it doesnt seem to hurt or ruin my voice.....so i just wana know if this is the right way of doing it?

[Merkaba]

well anything with an h opens the cords up a bit first. But i cant really telll what youre doing by you just saying here, but it seems like youre more likely to use mixed or falsetto "setting" when you do that. so if you try to carry that feel over into other words you can scream with any word. i must say it is easier to scream with an H. i think i posted this a while back actually. but yea, keep us posted. you know my mottos.

[Winter-seed...AKA b&h]

nah i dont mean i scream on a H, right now i can only do it on vowels an sometimes on some words. The HUH thing im talking about is like when you go HUH an tense your stomach muscles an then its like it stopping the sound coming out......if you know what i mean.....now im even confusing myself......awhile back when you posted your voice recordings you did it acouple of times in one of them.

Soon ill try get some recordings again but right now my computer is f-ed up

[Merkaba]

oh right , like the grunt feel in the sample. yea. now that was just to get the feel. over time you want their to be really no grunt, and you transfer that pressure over to a normal singing pressure and feel on the cords. but its good to get the feel of coming from the gut and the feel of the cords pressure.

cool, keep us posted.

[wussrocker]

Hey what about my questions O Great Merkaba...

[Unrequited_Dream]

does n e body know what types of singing/screaming the lead singer from atreyu uses? and also exactly what types corey taylor from slipknot and stone sour uses, like falsettos...etc. Lastly, the guy from Into Eternity, I would like to know how he sings/screams the way he does. I am in a band and I want to know how to sing/scream using the same type of styles or types as them. Also I want to know what I have to do in order to do this, like how to be able to sing/scream like that. If you have n e replys that would be much appreciated.

[Merkaba]

does n e body know what types of singing/screaming the lead singer from atreyu uses? and also exactly what types corey taylor from slipknot and stone sour uses, like falsettos...etc. Lastly, the guy from Into Eternity, I would like to know how he sings/screams the way he does. I am in a band and I want to know how to sing/scream using the same type of styles or types as them. Also I want to know what I have to do in order to do this, like how to be able to sing/scream like that. If you have n e replys that would be much appreciated.

Check out the voicehelp hotline.

these screams are all the same. theres only one way to do it properly. corey taylor uses alot of just falsetto scream. falsetto is the high pitched airy voice when men try to sing like a girl. its all in the hotline. some screams are mixed voice which is your head voice or your "true voice" upper register. when you sing high but your cords are still closed.

All screams should start as a feeling of singing. YOu should feel like youre getting ready to sing the note first. then its a matter of pulling your throat down a little bit in the back, but not too much. just enough so the air reflects off of it, this gives you the distorted raspy staticky sound. It does not and should never come from your cords. You should be able to get a raspy note with very little effort.

most importantly. practice singing more than screaming until you get it down. any note that is screamed is still a note. and all screamers are really singing a note with alot of effort and throat. you have to learn to isolate the throat muscles from the cord muslces...a road block for many...this way you can contract the cords, keep the larynx low and relaxed, and still pull down in the back of the throat. sounds like a lot but you've done it before. people try to do it with effort and get caught up in tension and overthinking.

be sure to read my voicehelp hotline through. its a bit of material, but its worth it. and read what others say in that thread too, the questions people ask and the stuff we all reply with. its well worth it...cause if you practice incorrectly you will damage your cords and at best have temporary loss. at best. and thats not serving you well. Best wishes.

[wussrocker]

YOu will do yourself a BIG BIG BIG favor if you spend equal time singing the notes.

Okay I have been doing this...trying to sing the notes and then pushing a scream when neccasary. Doing this I can now actually start getting out of a whisper...just a little bit but I can hear it...is that normal?

Screaming is just a loud hard note with extra air. the extra air is like adding plates on the barbell in the gym.

Is it true then you should start with the little plates? and then start adding the bigger plates as you can handle it then?

Good luck, keep us posted. remember dont over push, and warm down. :wave:

Is there a good thread on what you mean by warm down?

Again thanks for your help with this!

[Merkaba]

^ well if youre trying to eventually bench 400 lbs, and all you can do now is 200...you cant slam 370 on tomorrow! right. hehe

And Im sure in the voicehelp hotline there is some stuff about warming down. I gotta get to work...but in general start on your highest falsetto note and slide down in a continuous sound, to your lowest note. do all the vowels a few times and then do EE's at a normal pitch and normal push for a few minutes. if your voice is more shot. warm down more. it helps to return your cords to their normal shape and helps to prevent so much stiffness and swelling, and thus mucous.

[osirisblind]

Hey Merkaba-1
Ok so the purevolume attempt I made backfired and it never worked.. here is a link to a soundclick that has the songs on them.. please listen to STI or Atheist Anthem.. http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/blacklistmusic.htm
(STI has a rather large soundclip at the start that lasts for 55 seconds or so..)
Thanks a lot!

[Winter-seed...AKA b&h]

hey iv just been listening to your samples merkaba, an it sounds like im using the same technique as you so i think iv got it down....i was just wondering, is it right to be able to do it at any volume cause like i can do it at a low volume an a medium volume but i cant seem to get it loud..i know it wont matter cause ill have a mic bit i was just stuffing around to see how loud i could get it an it was like the more i pushed it just felt like i was building tension up an not getting anymore volume.

and another thing,when you use your mic through a pa is there anything you can do to get the scream to sound better cause when i do it without a mic or when i just record it on my computer it sounds awsome but then when i go to do it with a mic it comes out like really high pitched ancruddy sounding...huh i dunno what it is....might be the mic im using...its just a cheap shure pg58.

Thanks if you answer these dude.

[Merkaba]

Osiris- I'll check em out shortly

Seed- you need to practice isolation. If you know youre feeling tense then you are. you should be able to push, from the diaphragm, and not have it affect any other part of your body. dont squeeze the throat. You should be able to do it at almost any volume. low, mid , or high. as you go up in volume of course youre gonna have to squeeze the cords tighter agains the addes resistance which is what it sounds like you cant do yet. you have to seperate the throat muscles from the cord muscles. Its that simple. keep practicing, cause once you start getting the hang of it you can really do just abuot anything. I've got it in my voicehelp hotline, if you havent read the isolation stuff or need a reminder.

cya

[Winter-seed...AKA b&h]

i'll get onto the isolation stuff today

thanks man :thumb:

[Merkaba]

****, I was at work today. Our bathroom has the best acoustics. I always like to hit a note or something while someone is in there and make em say jesus. but noone was in there today and i decided to give a full scream. It sounded better than anything I've heard on any album. ****, if i could reproduce that in the studio. Just a little small room reverb i guess. But it was killer. just thought i'd let you guys know! hehe.

I hadnt warmed up and i didnt want to push too hard. so it kinda surprised me. I did think afterwards though that i should repost about how Its so important though to realize that you dont have to push too hard. yes, i thought about this board while i was at work! :lol:

[wussrocker]

****, I was at work today. Our bathroom has the best acoustics. I always like to hit a note or something while someone is in there and make em say jesus. but noone was in there today and i decided to give a full scream. It sounded better than anything I've heard on any album. ****, if i could reproduce that in the studio. Just a little small room reverb i guess. But it was killer. just thought i'd let you guys know! hehe.

I hadnt warmed up and i didnt want to push too hard. so it kinda surprised me. I did think afterwards though that i should repost about how Its so important though to realize that you dont have to push too hard. yes, i thought about this board while i was at work! :lol:

Your co-workers probably thought you were constipated :amaze:

[Merkaba]

:lol:...that wouldve been one hell of a shlt then.

[metaliq]

Merkaba - think you could be specific on where the rasp should be coming from? You say the back of the throat... like where on the neck? Im pretty sure I have the rasp down (well I use it for growls...) but recently I havent been able to falsetto scream, and when I rasp a faslsetto note, it doesnt come off as high as I would like. Nor as raspy. Hmmm... Just clarifying.

Also... shamefull plug... would you crit this for me? http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253924 I always find deep insight in your views upon my songs. Thanks, hehe... :)

[Merkaba]

if you clear your throat with your mouth open, it will be just about the same area. But you dont want to do much of this.

I'll check the link out.

[Joe_Pettibone]

I've read through most of the pointers and other screaming help.. but I wanted to know how to . sing/scream.. well. I mean. like raspy screaminess for large pieces of song, say an entire verse with lyrics.. how do you get a sustainable screamy voice which you can sing with?

(for examples of what I mean, check HIMSA, atreyu or from autumn to ashes)

[Rats]

lots of water, practice and airflow control! that question has been asked several times already.. the only answer is to just keep practicing

[Merkaba]

I've read through most of the pointers and other screaming help.. but I wanted to know how to . sing/scream.. well. I mean. like raspy screaminess for large pieces of song, say an entire verse with lyrics.. how do you get a sustainable screamy voice which you can sing with?

(for examples of what I mean, check HIMSA, atreyu or from autumn to ashes)
Its all the same thing. its just more of a singing feel when you start to make the sounds. more like a mixed falsetto and head voice feel. like youre doing both at the same time. power falsetto...etc. learn to rasp at a low volume, everyone can do this you just have to practice. and the key is keeping the larynx low. check out my samples and the voicehelp hotline stuff.

I need to hurry up and get a band going before theres too much damn competition out there.

[osirisblind]

Hey Merkaba-1, just wondering if you've gotten around to listening to those mp3's I posted?

Here's the link ago if you forgot it.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/blacklistmusic.htm

[session9]

I'm no expert (it's surprising how many times I say this during the course of a day), but I usually try and strain from my gut, without putting a lot of air through my voice box.

It's a bit like the sound you might make whilst attempting to void whilst constipated, if that's not too graphic... I find it works okay with a mic (the screaming, not the constipation), and it sounds quite raspy (and not at all affected) now I've worked at it a while.

It's probably playing havoc with my voice, but I feel a lot better doing it this way than I used to when I just roared and pushed as much air through my voicebox as I could. I can even sing well after hours of practice with the "constipation method".

(Maybe I should write a short book about my patented "gruff voice" method...I could print it on tissue paper...)

[session9]

****. Just read the previous posts. Reinventing the wheel again.

[losersk8er032]

ive been trying to achieve the emocore scream but i still sound like a broken duck

[Bleeding Through]

Hey Merkaba, here's a little update so far. I haven't gotten a voice recording, so I'll describe my progress.

Using your techniques I'm now able to scream for longer periods of time and have very little to no discomfort during or afterwards, and my speaking voice is just fine hours after and even the next day. In fact, I can sing almost completely normal after screaming, but steadily I lose intensity in my singing voice. Is this something that I can remedy with enough practice?

Also, while I have no pain or discomfort, for some reason I still think I'm doing it wrong. I'm very worried that I might be hurting myself and not even be aware of it. How can I tell if I'm doing damage to my voicebox?

[Merkaba]

yea session...thats pretty much "coming from the gut". Though it shouldnt play havoc on your cords. And you dont have to push extra hard all the time and dont let the stomach muscles squeeze too much. But it sounds like youre in touch with it. keeping the larynx relaxed and coming from the gut are two of the biggest things to get down. Good for you. We can always use new wheels.

[Merkaba]

Hey Merkaba, here's a little update so far. I haven't gotten a voice recording, so I'll describe my progress.

Using your techniques I'm now able to scream for longer periods of time and have very little to no discomfort during or afterwards, and my speaking voice is just fine hours after and even the next day. In fact, I can sing almost completely normal after screaming, but steadily I lose intensity in my singing voice. Is this something that I can remedy with enough practice?

Also, while I have no pain or discomfort, for some reason I still think I'm doing it wrong. I'm very worried that I might be hurting myself and not even be aware of it. How can I tell if I'm doing damage to my voicebox?

well i dont know dude. you seem to be making progress. Can you post a sample? No pain and discomfort so why do you think youre doing it wrong?

I would say take some time to to get in touch with your cords. do the isolation stuff so you know when youre leaving your head voice to go to falsetto, and hold a note in isolation style techique and see how loud you can get it without moving anything. this helps you learn the connection with the muscles that help hold for volume, while not mixing them up with any other muscles. I cant stress the importance of learning to isolate. And you dont want to push too hard in your head voice.

And work on opening the throat. if you use the finger on the adams apple technique you can find how to open up while leaving the adams apple low. Now it will rise some here and there but you dont want it to squeeze up like youre swallowing. compare your larynx positions when you yawn and when you swallow. do a fake yawn and hold your adams apple low. keep it there so you know the muscles it takes to drop it...then swallow and hold it up for a few seconds. you'll find that you cant really breathe while you hold it up. because its designed to prevent airflow, remember, when you swallow. So the higher the larynx the less air you can get. if you take the midpoint of these two extremes your larynx shouldnt go much higher than that mid point. Now its not any hard rule chiseled in stone. Just practice so you can get intouch with the muscles. this way its easier to relax them because you have more conciousness in the area. practice getting those thick sounds like when youre acting like youre in an opera. they get big sound by having a big relaxed throat. At work and in the car i have my finger on my adams apple a good bit here and there just checking. These are all things you can remember to check out and you dont have to do a formal session all the time. just know that over time you can kinda "master" these things with time and experience. Other than a high larynx or overpushing...i dont know what you might could be doing wrong.

It might just take time to keep your singing voice up after doing raspy vocals. I mean for me, sometimes i have actually tried to see if i could get pain or discomfort so i would blast all kinds of notes to know my limits. overtime i just built up good strength. I would recommend against this approach if you dont have good technique. But i must say, go with it. if you hold back youre not gonna know your limits and whether or not youre even pushing yourself as much as you could be. this is how you grow stronger. Just be sure you've been singing for a while and everything is loose and warm. And just relax and go for it. You should always feel comfortable even in an extreme push. dont squeeze the throat and come from the gut.

keep us posted.

[Merkaba]

Hey Merkaba-1, just wondering if you've gotten around to listening to those mp3's I posted?

Here's the link ago if you forgot it.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/blacklistmusic.htm

yea i tried to check them that one time before they cleared and i forgot since then.

Not usually my type of genre, but i like atheist Anthem. you should give me the lyrics. hehe. something about huffing gasoline. i like that part. reminds me of something i would hear on Tony Hawk Pro skater. Which is a compliment from me, cause i like the game.

Well vocal wise it sounds good. How do you feel afterwards? just work on keeping the throat relaxed and come from the gut. Good job. Anything you want to know?

[osirisblind]

Oh haha, sorry for any confusion, but those were the clips of what I'm going for, not of what I sound like. I was wondering if there is a way to get that kinda voice he has, (really raspy and whatnot) without having to get drunk, smoke or eat sawdust at every meal. Haha..?
Sorry bout that

[Bleeding Through]

well i dont know dude. you seem to be making progress. Can you post a sample? No pain and discomfort so why do you think youre doing it wrong?

Dunno, maybe because I've done it wrong for so long! ;)


And work on opening the throat. if you use the finger on the adams apple technique you can find how to open up while leaving the adams apple low. Now it will rise some here and there but you dont want it to squeeze up like youre swallowing. compare your larynx positions when you yawn and when you swallow. do a fake yawn and hold your adams apple low. keep it there so you know the muscles it takes to drop it...then swallow and hold it up for a few seconds. you'll find that you cant really breathe while you hold it up. because its designed to prevent airflow, remember, when you swallow. So the higher the larynx the less air you can get. if you take the midpoint of these two extremes your larynx shouldnt go much higher than that mid point. Now its not any hard rule chiseled in stone. Just practice so you can get intouch with the muscles. this way its easier to relax them because you have more conciousness in the area. practice getting those thick sounds like when youre acting like youre in an opera. they get big sound by having a big relaxed throat. At work and in the car i have my finger on my adams apple a good bit here and there just checking. These are all things you can remember to check out and you dont have to do a formal session all the time. just know that over time you can kinda "master" these things with time and experience. Other than a high larynx or overpushing...i dont know what you might could be doing wrong.

Yup this is exactly what I do, so I can conclude that I'm doing it right, no?

I must say Merkaba, you've helped me ALOT. Thank you.

[Merkaba]

well dont take what i type as gospel, but it sounds like youre on your way. just pay attention to your body. Your cords will let you know what works and what doesnt if you pay attention to them and the sounds...and the level of comfort and how you feel afterwards.

No, thank you! :chug:

[Merkaba]

Oh haha, sorry for any confusion, but those were the clips of what I'm going for, not of what I sound like. I was wondering if there is a way to get that kinda voice he has, (really raspy and whatnot) without having to get drunk, smoke or eat sawdust at every meal. Haha..?
Sorry bout that

aww man!!!! :lol:

well its the same , he's just rasping the notes like i always talk about. relaxed open throat from the gut low larynx blah blah blah...

nahmean?

[osirisblind]

Haha,

Alright I'll check it all out, I've already been coming close so I'll keep at it!
Thanks!

[Merkaba]

dont forget you can practice singing that song without the rasp and it will help you out.

[TheOneThatBleeds]

am i supposed to just scream in flasetto or sing realy really hard and push my voice until it becomes a scream? when i scream its really high and doesnt sound like other bands. they seem a lot lower in pitch. r they using there falsetto?or is theres just really trained

[Shady Ultima]

I dunno if this was already covered, but how can you do the screams like Phil Anselmo of Pantera? My band is going to be covering some of their songs, and I need to sing like him.

[alexbush321]

I want to learn how to scream somewhat liek the singers from underoath or thursday. where should i start?. ive read the varity of techniques on this forum and its somewhat confusing. when i practice before , its hard for me to actually get the scream sound out from under my voice. what should i do and where should i start and go from here? thanks

[Winter-seed...AKA b&h]

iv noticed that i can scream alot of high pitched (senses fail,finch,emery) kinda screams but when i try the thursday ones it doesnt sound right cause he scream is more like "yell at the top of you lungs" scream ...which is bad for you from what iv gathered from all the people on here over time and personal experience. And my falsetto was gone for like a month, which kinda freaked me out...so i dont really suggest you try to sound exactly like geoff.

[Merkaba]

I want to learn how to scream somewhat liek the singers from underoath or thursday. where should i start?. ive read the varity of techniques on this forum and its somewhat confusing. when i practice before , its hard for me to actually get the scream sound out from under my voice. what should i do and where should i start and go from here? thanks

Practice singing the note without screaming it.
And to be quite honest, Theres only been a couple of people in this thread with a clue other than saying, push hard and make a face!

screaming is singing hard and loud off the back of the throat It takes time and strength to get hard and loud, and technique to get off the back of the throat. Go to the voichelp hotline stickie in this forum.

[Merkaba]

am i supposed to just scream in flasetto or sing realy really hard and push my voice until it becomes a scream? when i scream its really high and doesnt sound like other bands. they seem a lot lower in pitch. r they using there falsetto?or is theres just really trained
DO NOT push until it becomes a scream. You pull the back of the throat down a bit , a small bit to bank the sound off of it. go to my voichelp hotlline sticky.

[Merkaba]

I dunno if this was already covered, but how can you do the screams like Phil Anselmo of Pantera? My band is going to be covering some of their songs, and I need to sing like him.

Its all the same.

[alexbush321]

i think i understand how to have to mix the hole throat growl with the large ammount of air in your gut. but every time i try it it comes out like im about to huak up a gaint puss ball. and i cant seem to get it loud

[metaliq]

Hey Merkaba... quick question... want to make sure I know what I am talking about...

http://www.purevolume.com/ascitiesburn/

It sounds like he is just yelling a note, you know what I mean... the way he is doing it? And then rasping it once in a while? Is that right? Or is it more of just singing with a certain tone so that it comes off like that?

I saw them in concert this past weekend and got a compelation CD... thought his style was kind of interesting. :thumb:

[Merkaba]

In general......rasping is something everybody has done before i guarantee. Mimmicking people and animals and sounds and cars and stuff. You've done it before. Dont try to overthink it just because youre singing.

[Merkaba]

Hey Merkaba... quick question... want to make sure I know what I am talking about...

http://www.purevolume.com/ascitiesburn/

It sounds like he is just yelling a note, you know what I mean... the way he is doing it? And then rasping it once in a while? Is that right? Or is it more of just singing with a certain tone so that it comes off like that?

I saw them in concert this past weekend and got a compelation CD... thought his style was kind of interesting. :thumb:

Yea, he has a pretty strong voice. Pushing hard on some regular notes. that in and of itself will rasp due to the force on the cords. But i think he uses a tiny bit of throat even on some of them. But some of the obvious ones are easier to hear.

[TheOneThatBleeds]

my screams in head voice are really hi, how do i bring them down in itch and make them lower. im goin for somethin like shane from silverstein. can someone help me with that?

[danny10125]

yea this is an old thread, but just in case anyones still looking at it....
I was wondering how I should try to sing slipknot music by screaming. should i start with something easier first? thanks

[Rats]

I haven't listened to any Slipknot except for their new singles (Duality and Vermilion), and their stuff sounds pretty easy, there isn't anything high pitched. I think Duality is a pretty fun song to sing. Vermilion has a long scream in it that I can't get and I've been singing for about a year now.

[Merkaba]

my screams in head voice are really hi, how do i bring them down in itch and make them lower. im goin for somethin like shane from silverstein. can someone help me with that?

Check out my voicehelp hotline if you havent already and check out my samples. I've been meaning to get some more stuff up but I've ran into software issues. Its all the same as far as technique goes. if you can already scream, why cant you lower the note and use the same technique? i dont get your question really. you can sream high notes but not mid range? ONce you learn to rasp you should be able to rasp all of your notes from your lowest to highest. YOu hit it off the back of your throat...just be sure to have a relaxed throat and you dont need to overpush. check out the hotline...lots of good stuff in there.

[Merkaba]

yea this is an old thread, but just in case anyones still looking at it....
I was wondering how I should try to sing slipknot music by screaming. should i start with something easier first? thanks

This is actually now one of the most active voice threads now. Thanks to yours truly... Just kidding. But it is very active.

Can you scream well now? Its all the same technique wise. You get the raspy sound of the back of your throat. not the cords. Thats why these guys can go do it day in and day out. Plus you dont have to push as hard as people think, or as hard as it sounds. thats what mics are for. But There are a few things you should be aware of. Go check out my voicehelp hotline sticky.

[TheOneThatBleeds]

wut hotline?

[metaliq]

wut hotline?

"What* hotline?"

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911

:thumb:

[EcolliJK]

*bumped just to make sure their ain't gonna be 5 new scream threads

+ small question I can scream high pitched but when i try to do it louder it kinda gets poopoo any tips or should i just train some more on it

[COFMETAL]

How do i scream like cradle of filth in black metal and her ghost in the fog?

[Merkaba]

*bumped just to make sure their ain't gonna be 5 new scream threads

+ small question I can scream high pitched but when i try to do it louder it kinda gets poopoo any tips or should i just train some more on it

be sure you arent making the age old mistake of squeezing the throat as youre trying to add pressure. Otherwise youre just gonna have to build up strength over time. And practice mid voice loud "hah" 's but be sure youre clamping down on the cords to get a clean vowel sound in the middle of the H sandwich. sound. hah's and the H's help build strength because you have to close down on the air that is already passing through. It will take time. Dont over due it and be sure to warm down.

[Merkaba]

How do i scream like cradle of filth in black metal and her ghost in the fog?
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From what i understand Cradle's singer uses some inhale screams from what people say. I've never heard them.

[COFMETAL]

Does anyone know how thrices Dustin Kensrue screams? any help would be appreciated :)

[6(sic)6drummer]

What about corey taylor of slipknot/stone sour falsetto screaming how does he add all that rasp he has in his scream? i really need to figure out how he does that

[Winter-seed...AKA b&h]

dustins scream sounds more like some who is pissed off just yelling at someone

[Merkaba]

What about corey taylor of slipknot/stone sour falsetto screaming how does he add all that rasp he has in his scream? i really need to figure out how he does that

then you might want to mosey on over to my voicehelp hotline sticky.

[Joe_Pettibone]

alright.. I have read through loads of threads, been practicing, getting good for a while,.. but now I've reached a point where.. no matter how I try to vary my technique it's always hurting. so can anyone who knows better tell me what I should do. I'm cosidering just starting from scratch so I don't mal-learn.. anyone care to give me a quick run through of what i should do ..technique wise. (and please do not give a link to a thread where I'll have to sift through tonns of posts to get scraps of useful info)

Would be much appreciated ..really :smoke:

[Merkaba]

well you should stop first of all.
you may need to take a few days if not week or two off.

Try to get a sample up, that might help.

Do lots of e's at normal pitches and speaking push. And do glisses up and down. Dont do any serious pushing if youre hurting that much. Maybe get to an ENT doctor if you can.
Gotta get to work myself. ....peace

[PDOGG]

Don't suppose anyone has any pointers on how to get a Chester Bennington scream(like on One Step Closer)? I can sing almost all of his Linkin Park/Grey Daze stuff, but I can't quite pull off that great scream of his. My voice is a bit deeper(abit closer to Jeff Gutt of Dry Cell), but I can still pull off 90% of Chester's stuff with relative ease. Closer to 100% on a good day. All I need is a good scream and I'll be that much better of a frontman for my band. We really wanna incorporate more screaming for effect but my bassist is slightly better than me at it, but he don't sound too good either, so it's kinda in vain. A few good screams from me will create such a better feel for our already good tunes. If anyone can help me out here, it would be appreciated.

[chris4aker]

I'm not sure if this is the right way to scream but someone tell me please...i go quiet like ALMOST a whisper and push extra air out and add a little sound...it doesnt hurt and through a mic it sounds ok i guess..is that right?

and btw how do you scream like Conor Oberst from Bright Eyes/Desaparecidos?

someone respond please


edit: a scream like Conor in the song Greater Omaha by Desaparecidos

[Merkaba]

Don't suppose anyone has any pointers on how to get a Chester Bennington scream(like on One Step Closer)? I can sing almost all of his Linkin Park/Grey Daze stuff, but I can't quite pull off that great scream of his. My voice is a bit deeper(abit closer to Jeff Gutt of Dry Cell), but I can still pull off 90% of Chester's stuff with relative ease. Closer to 100% on a good day. All I need is a good scream and I'll be that much better of a frontman for my band. We really wanna incorporate more screaming for effect but my bassist is slightly better than me at it, but he don't sound too good either, so it's kinda in vain. A few good screams from me will create such a better feel for our already good tunes. If anyone can help me out here, it would be appreciated.
For one you have to have a nice range. and strength throughout it. Chester does. This means you can reach up for a higher tone in those raspy falsetto type screams. If you can do close to 100 on a good day, then what are you asking? how to get better at it , and how to get it is just work. And read these forums. You could have one of the common flaws thats limiting you. http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911

[Merkaba]

I'm not sure if this is the right way to scream but someone tell me please...i go quiet like ALMOST a whisper and push extra air out and add a little sound...it doesnt hurt and through a mic it sounds ok i guess..is that right?

and btw how do you scream like Conor Oberst from Bright Eyes/Desaparecidos?

someone respond please


edit: a scream like Conor in the song Greater Omaha by Desaparecidos
Got a sample? its gonna sound weak if youre not supporting it like youre singing. Thats why i always say start off like youre singing. But you could get a good scream if you had the right breath control. some people call it a whisper scream but usually they sound like a whisper scream and not a scream scream. So hopefully youre doing it well.

[COFMETAL]

Anyone know how to scream like Dani from Cradle of Filth? Please respond

[Merkaba]

HAsnt this question been asked like last week? Its the same thing. Theres not many things you can do with your cords. For one you have to have strong enough cords. Go to Merkabas voicehelp hotline Sticky. Its all there.

[PDOGG]

Well I can SING 90-100% of the stuff he SINGS, but when the screams come I cant
pull em off. For instance, I can sing One Step closer pretty easily, until the part when he screams "Shut up" comes, I just sound like im still singing, only abit louder and somewhat deeper. I tried the technique at the beginning of this thread but it's just not a very good/nor similar sound. I'm not sure how to PHYSICALLY scream like him, I'm positive my voice is strong enough, I just don't know how to physically do it. An explanation on that would be great.

[PDOGG]

some help here would be really appreciated.....

[Merkaba]

Have you checked out the voichelp hotline? go to my samples and see if it helps. you have to learn to shift the throat muscles while keeping everything relaxed and open.

[i am the robots]

How do i scream like cradle of filth in black metal and her ghost in the fog?

That's called growling, it's mostly rasp.

[Dr_Chaos_619]

What would you guys say about a... how do I put this... a reverse scream? I may have missed it, considering the fact that I'll take a pineapple enema before I read 25 pages straight of stuff. Anyways the singer in my band sounds like frackin banchee when he does it. He sucks in air past his vocal chords to do it. Does anyone have any pointers or cautions for this? He already swallowed several bugs doing this. F'in classic.

[AngryDncngMonkey]

Well...i assume i'm not doing it correctly...cos even though i'm using your technique...i lose my voice after just a few minutes...my throat doesn't hurt...but i lose my voice...*shrugs*

Any idea on how to do a showbread type scream? Like from their song Mouth Like A Magazine...(http://showbread.net)

[PDOGG]

Ok, im a happy camper. I been practicing the technique from the first page of the thread and it's finally paying off. I'm developing a really cool scream, it's a little darker/deeper than Chester's but still very cool and powerful without feeling at all like a grunt. It's definitely closer to Chester's than Slipknot's and I'm very happy with it. It's quite original. Now I just need to build up some strength in it and I'll be set. Thanks to all who helped me(the muscle shifting helped abit too, thanks man).

[Zortalk]

Anyone want to help me figure out how Rob Halford does those awesome screams?

[me inside]

Oh hey.

I'm really looking for some good tips and whatnot to improve my voice, had I read this whole thing I may have found close to what I need but I don't have the time.

Anyways, I wanna know how I can get a Kurt Cobain, Phil Tayler (Future Leaders Of The World) type of higher pitched and raspy scream. I also would like to know just how to make my voice "raspy". Another thing I'm curious about is the type of scream done by Breaking Benjamin. Please email me with any tips or anything, it'd be much appreciated. Thanks.

comeplaydying133@hotmail.com

[me inside]

bump

[Merkaba]

Ok, im a happy camper. I been practicing the technique from the first page of the thread and it's finally paying off. I'm developing a really cool scream, it's a little darker/deeper than Chester's but still very cool and powerful without feeling at all like a grunt. It's definitely closer to Chester's than Slipknot's and I'm very happy with it. It's quite original. Now I just need to build up some strength in it and I'll be set. Thanks to all who helped me(the muscle shifting helped abit too, thanks man).

If youre following stuff form the first of this thread then be careful.

Check out my voichelp hotline if you havent.

[Merkaba]

Oh hey.

I'm really looking for some good tips and whatnot to improve my voice, had I read this whole thing I may have found close to what I need but I don't have the time.

Anyways, I wanna know how I can get a Kurt Cobain, Phil Tayler (Future Leaders Of The World) type of higher pitched and raspy scream. I also would like to know just how to make my voice "raspy". Another thing I'm curious about is the type of scream done by Breaking Benjamin. Please email me with any tips or anything, it'd be much appreciated. Thanks.

comeplaydying133@hotmail.com

Another lazy bones.
If youre this lazy then youre not gonna have enough work ethic to practice getting a good scream so why take the time to conjure it all up, again, to email to you to help you when its already here. Read. Read what other people say and the questions they ask so you can build up your own knowledge and reference. some people ask many important questions that you may not have come up with yet until youre more experienced. I enjoy reading as much as i can about things I'm passionate about. Maybe voice is not one of those things for you.

[-Moses-]

i've noticed that when i wanna really belt out a scream i gotta think of something that really pisses me off... go to my bands website www.zerotonone.com and listen to the song washing machine... let me know how that scream sounds...

[StormX]

Hmm, well, I've been working on screaming for a few months. But I've gotten into a rut. I can do certain screams, like atreyu/from autumn to ashes style screams no problem, sounds great, doesn't hurt a bit. But if I try doing any higher pitched screams, it's just not there. I can't do it. Is this normal? i'm kinda confused.

[StormX]

i've noticed that when i wanna really belt out a scream i gotta think of something that really pisses me off... go to my bands website www.zerotonone.com and listen to the song washing machine... let me know how that scream sounds...


the "scream" around 1:50 or so was pretty meh

the rest of the song was plain horrible, everything about it. sorry.

[-Moses-]

yeah it was recorded in a basement as a joke....it's fun to play though

[i am the robots]

If you want an example of good Death Metal screaming, check out Drifter by In Flames.

[Merkaba]

Hmm, well, I've been working on screaming for a few months. But I've gotten into a rut. I can do certain screams, like atreyu/from autumn to ashes style screams no problem, sounds great, doesn't hurt a bit. But if I try doing any higher pitched screams, it's just not there. I can't do it. Is this normal? i'm kinda confused.
practice singing the note first....scream it later. Theres not much difference

[StormX]

I know merkaba..but the thing is I can't sing. Well, I don't know how, and when I try it's not a pretty thing to hear. I can do the technique for screaming, the pushing and rasp and everything, but when I try to do it any high it just isn't there? Mabye I don't have that high of a range?

[EcolliJK]

*bumped for containing usefull info
and preventing more scream threads

[TheOneThatBleeds]

i scream by kinda closing off this one part of my throat. i dont think its falsetto but i dont think its full voice or w/e. cuz it doesnt hurt and i can do it for a long time and not lose my voice at all. its kinda of this part of my throat if i push hard enuf it wud make me throw up. is this rite at all? it sounds kinda of like older avenged sevenfold screams. please help me out.

[Rats!]

i scream by kinda closing off this one part of my throat. i dont think its falsetto but i dont think its full voice or w/e. cuz it doesnt hurt and i can do it for a long time and not lose my voice at all. its kinda of this part of my throat if i push hard enuf it wud make me throw up. is this rite at all? it sounds kinda of like older avenged sevenfold screams. please help me out.

Post a sample.
That sounds like the way I do it, but I don't feel like I'm ever gonna throw up. I can also alternate between singing and screaming easily.

[TheOneThatBleeds]

i can go back forth between the 2 easily also. how/where do shud i post a sample? and i only feel like throwing up if i push really hard and m doin it for a while.

[Moneener]

My problem is, is that even when I'm by myself and try it, I still hold back. Is there anything I can do about this? Or is it just in my head?

[TheOneThatBleeds]

Ur Crazy Thats Wut!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pushead_Metal]

In response to the technique on the first page there are only a few things I'd have to dissagree with:

1. You don't have to use falsetto to scream. If you slowly build your way up with your gut, you will have it. I actually do a mix between my gut and my throat ever since my voice changed and I get James Hetfield like grunts.

2. I would never ever depend on a mic for loudness, I mean you use it during concerts and stuff so the back rows can hear ya loud and clear... but man if you can't scream loud without a mic... well I don't think thats right.

And remember, no matter how much technique you got in your singing it can never live up to how much heart you have for it. Peace out dudes! :wave:

[Winter-seed...AKA b&h]

it shouldnt matter if you cant scream loud.
The more you push for most people would mean more pressure and it just means more damage if your using the wrong technique by just yelling as loud as you can.

[Shikyo]

My problem is, is that even when I'm by myself and try it, I still hold back. Is there anything I can do about this? Or is it just in my head?

I was like that at first. Think of a small barrier infront of you... you can easily shatter it away and you'll never have to worry about it again. Pretty much, I couldn't scream at all until I was so angry one day and I was singing and I just let it out with all the anger and everything. Ever since that, I didn't feel like I was holding back anymore. It might just be me, but you can try it.

[Moneener]

Thanks man, I'll keep trying.

[Pushead_Metal]

What I'm personally saying is that you dont have to scream at the top of your lungs. Screaming is kind of like a technique in music, but what I don't agree with in Silver's tutorial (no offense man) is when he said that you HAVE to use falsetto. I don't use falsetto and I don't ever hear James Hetfield using it (except in like kill em all and ride the lightning and maybe even master of puppets) the rest of the cd's he didn't use falsetto. There are different ways of going about it is all im saying. If everyone was forced to scream using falsetto wouldn't everyone sound the same? I think that's a problem in the music industry these days is that a bunch of rock/metal bands' singers sound nearly the same.

[Winter-seed...AKA b&h]

Oh yea ,sorry dude.
I think that right aswell that you dont have to scream in falsetto but i think the reason behind screaming in falsetto is because you use your false chords (or something??? am i right?) in your falsetto range and then it does less damage to your voice.
I never scream in falsetto and iv never had any damage so i guess it doesnt affect all people as bad.

[Pushead_Metal]

I noticed that if u dont scream in falsetto it starts to hurt after like 5 or 6 songs b/c my voice starts getting really dry. I'll take a nice drink of water and be back in action for about 5 or 6 more songs. I'd just like to know how James Hetfield screams on the Ride The Lightning album (especially on for whom the bell tolls). That'd be great.

[TheOneThatBleeds]

u just need to grow a *****

[The Hawk]

Make sure you avoid glottal attacks, when singing/screaming.
Good way to get nodes in a hurry.

[Winter-seed...AKA b&h]

what are glottal attacks?

[fuzzyhair]

I would like to learn to scream like PETE LOEFFLER from Chevelle. Any pointers. Sorry if this has allready been answered, just guide me in the right direction if it has. I am having a hard time screaming all together. One scream and my throat hurts, i am standing up strait with my head back and making that stupid face. It feels really dry. Hmm water...

[Winter-seed...AKA b&h]

because your not really suppose to scream.......you have to make the sound of a scream wothout using all the force your normally would to really scream out loud.

[EcolliJK]

glotal attack= shot powerfull sound like hmm hard to explain...
it's bad to do much so if you know what i ment avoid it

[Merkaba]

As far as the falsetto vs true voice debate it doesnt matter. If youre screaming youre gonna be either scrapping the sound off the back of the throat , or pushing so hard in tru e voice that your cords are flapping. Of course one is better than the other and between the two there is a whole myriad of technical things that one can work on to prolong their vocal health, perfomance stamina, and general longevity. But you dont sing "falsetto" with low notes. So its really just a preference in style and what range you want to try to sing in or go into. Hetfield doesnt use alot of falsetto, Cornell does. Both are great, different styles/approaches. The technique is generally the same: Diaphragm supported vocal activation, THEN throat interference with the airflow. Again, most people dont know how to workout the cords. One of the most important things to remember is that if youre using incorrect tecnique youre going to fatigue the cords and muscles before you have a chance to work them. its like waking up in the morning and trying to run sprints. You can do it but youre not going to gain as much as you would if you warmed up, stretched, jogged for a while, and then did sprints, and you'd be able to do the sprints for longer which would help the muscles, as opposed to not being able to sprint because you quickly fatigued the cold tissues. So warm up properly and dont start off singing hard or screaming for a while.

[Screamin_Demon_Auz]

Merkaba-1,

I've noticed your technique of producing rasp is "scraping it off the back of your throat". I know your trained by Mark also; is this something he taught you? What sensations do you personally feel when you scrape the air off the back of your throat? I still don't really understand how you do this. I've heard your samples and you have a very strong voice and the rasp is good, but what do you feel and how do you prepare for one of these screams. Do you tighten your stomach muscles?

I scream more in the style of high notes with just a little rasp thrown in (Tim Ripper Owens,Steven Tyler,Rob Halford,Sebastian Bach). I struggled for a year or more with producing this, and finally Mark told me just to add a little more volume and a little more push until I got the rasp, and to only quit when my throat tickled. Then, I could keep testing it out, and learn how far I can take it before I do damage or my throat begins to tickle(which is what I use as a meter on if im pushing too hard). The way I produce it now is I only scream in falsetto, so I sing a falsetto note like always, and I sing it with a tiny bit extra push, nothing big, and the main thing is I sing it somewhat louder than I sing my clear falsettos. This brings the rasp to the note and it sounds good and I can do it for quite sometime.

My main vocal problem though is I sing too loud which is causing everything to go into chest voice instead of switching to head like it's supposed to. So for that i've been working on singing no louder than my speaking voice at practice and always wearing ear plugs and it works great. Point is, the only time I ever really go hoarse is when I sing too loudly, and I never really lose my voice except for when I have laryngitis from a cold. I think this shows my screaming technique isnt too damaging, and im always paranoid about damage to my cords and Mark guarantees everything im doing is fine. So I was just curious for a description somewhat like i've given you on how you make your screams. Thanks man

[Merkaba]

Well unless youre clossing off pretty tight, one might think that its coming from the cords. but the cords wont flap at a low push. So if you practice at a low push you can get the rasp and be sure its not a damaging flailing of the cords. You can get the cords to relax a bit as well and actually add to the distortion but i wont attempt to explain how to do this. Its kinda like whispering and singing at the same time, at a minimal push.
If you make the ANNNKKK sound like if you were the buzzer for a game show and someone got the wrong answer, you can feel it pretty much. The thing is that most people will squeeze the larynx up when making that sound so be careful not to carry that over into anything else. And no, the stomach shouldnt tighten up. You should actually try to keep it relaxed and if youre holding a note, it should feel like youre trying to inhale again. In other words keep the stomach relaxed and everything open and soft, regardless of the emotion. its really not that a big feeling or big muscular contraction that youre looking for. Of course the more you close up the more pressure you'll have on the cords, so its good to remember to stay relaxed. I would say sing hard and its easier to find...then over time back off. You just cant squeeze anything in the throat when you sing hard, and let it come from the diaphragm. If you stay relaxed the cords will tend to vent when anything other than optimal balance is pushed. so this extra air passes off the throat. The trouble is when you dont relax and try to hold the cords together against all this extra pressure. its like twice the work, if not more. The flip side of this coin is that the work makes you stronger. You have to find what fatigues you the most and work with your own limits over time. Rasping is kinda natural if you relax. The air will have nowhere else to go. squeezing and tensing gives less extra air and more need to push and again its a downward spiral. Everyone should remember to just try to go limp all over your body when trying this stuff out. Over time you can manipulate it later.
And of course i would agree with mark. I mean you sound like youre just working around getting a feel for your limits and stuff. Its actually pretty hard to do permanent damage if youre careful, but why even head off towards that direction at all, ya know. The best thing that happened to me is when i went to try out for a band and the guy told me to sing harder. I never talked to the guys again, but i realize soon after that at that point, the only reason I was supposed to meet up with them was for him to tell me that. theres been times where I would actually try to feel pain and discomfort just to see my limits. The only time I've felt any was after i had a three week respiratory infection with lots of coughing. I actually think the work and stress from coughing added about a half step note to my full voice range. :lol: Take it easy

[Screamin_Demon_Auz]

Cool thanks Merk

[Peg Dizzler]

Yeah, it took me a little while to figure out how to get a rasp in my voice. It basically just takes more power and volume, and you have to have confidence in doing it. Now I can get rasp in all 3 of my singing voices... but I still have to work on screaming.

[deadlikeme222]

i have never screamed before in my life, i have done backup singing for my band but normallyi just play keyboards and samples. But our screamer is terrible. He sounds like a f***ing storm outside. What would u recommend to a guy who has no idea what the vocal ranges are? I wanna try to get kinda like a Union Underground type scream, what kinda scream is this?

[robonez]

...suppose I'm a bit of a screamer.
I have no trouble hitting high notes without using falsetto.
All I did to practise until I could hit all the notes I wanted to hit, was to scream into the pillow, so the neighbors wouldn't call the cops on me.

I just had one rule, if it hurts, find another way.

In the end though, I realized that when I relaxed the throatmuscles, and focused on the abdomen and the lungs, the notes were much easier to hit than when I tried to push it from the throat.

Right here http://music.download.com/roybratbakken are 4 songs to illustrate!

Rock On!
Roy.

[Merkaba]

...suppose I'm a bit of a screamer.
I have no trouble hitting high notes without using falsetto.
All I did to practise until I could hit all the notes I wanted to hit, was to scream into the pillow, so the neighbors wouldn't call the cops on me.

I just had one rule, if it hurts, find another way.

In the end though, I realized that when I relaxed the throatmuscles, and focused on the abdomen and the lungs, the notes were much easier to hit than when I tried to push it from the throat.

Right here http://music.download.com/roybratbakken are 4 songs to illustrate!

Rock On!
Roy.

Good job dude. I checked out shameless....the "whatever comes my way" part is in my head. Keep up the good work. And you played all the instruments? You motherfvckers make me sick with that. I really am thinking about taking guitar lessons at least. I can play rhythm ...kinda...ok..barely. hehe. keep up the good work.

[Knifeboy]

...suppose I'm a bit of a screamer.
I have no trouble hitting high notes without using falsetto.
All I did to practise until I could hit all the notes I wanted to hit, was to scream into the pillow, so the neighbors wouldn't call the cops on me.

I just had one rule, if it hurts, find another way.

In the end though, I realized that when I relaxed the throatmuscles, and focused on the abdomen and the lungs, the notes were much easier to hit than when I tried to push it from the throat.

Right here http://music.download.com/roybratbakken are 4 songs to illustrate!

Rock On!
Roy.

I listened to shameless.. Man, that's pure quality!.. Good job! :thumb:

[Knifeboy]

Merkaba could you please listen to this sample of me singing december flower by in flames and come with some tips? http://s25.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0XIYNVEG15CK70H81QSCUW54B3

I didn't feel much discomfort singing like that for half an hour.. Other than the fact that my stomach muscles started to hurt like hell afterwards.. hehe, but I guess that's a sign that I'm singing from my gut and that's a good thing right?
(And a sign that I don't work out enough!)

[SevenDeadlySins]

is inward screaming bad for u in anyway?

[robonez]

Good job dude. I checked out shameless....the "whatever comes my way" part is in my head. Keep up the good work. And you played all the instruments? You motherfvckers make me sick with that. I really am thinking about taking guitar lessons at least. I can play rhythm ...kinda...ok..barely. hehe. keep up the good work.


Hey, Merkaba-1!
Thanx for giving it a listen!
Yeah, I sing and play everything on those tunes.

And keep practising!!!!
Lessons..? Dunno, I never took any, not guitar, singing or anything else, but obviously it can be a good thing for lotsa folks!
Seems though, that a lot of my favorite guitarists and singers never took any lessons.

Keep Rockin'!
Roy.

[robonez]

I listened to shameless.. Man, that's pure quality!.. Good job! :thumb:

Hey, Knifeboy!

Thanx for the kind words, dude!

Keep Rockin'!
Roy.

[Knifeboy]

is inward screaming bad for u in anyway?

I don't know why. But yeah, it can damage your vocal chords

[Merkaba]

well robonez, whats a good way or whatever to learn guitar without a teacher. Any dvd's thats good or whatever? how did you learn. I want to be able to solo and build my own style. I mean i can play power cords and baic barre cords, but i come up with all of these songs in my head but i cant play the guitar to go along with them! Anyways. Coolstuff.

[Merkaba]

is inward screaming bad for u in anyway?
its basically kinda like bending your elbow the wrong way. Over time you can get away with it and build up some flexibility ...moresore than the average, and you might become or naturally be what we might called double jointed. but putting a lot of pressure on them in this manner can greatly increase problematic effects. Its not really in my style, but i would say be careful. and treat it as any other technique. And for god sakes warmdown if youre going to be doing this. If you need warmdown stuff check out my voichelp hotline thread in the communities thread. Why they moved it off of the front page and put it in typed up urls beats me. I'll have to keep a copy of the link so i can just paste it in when i make reference to it.

[Merkaba]

Merkaba could you please listen to this sample of me singing december flower by in flames and come with some tips? http://s25.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0XIYNVEG15CK70H81QSCUW54B3

I didn't feel much discomfort singing like that for half an hour.. Other than the fact that my stomach muscles started to hurt like hell afterwards.. hehe, but I guess that's a sign that I'm singing from my gut and that's a good thing right?
(And a sign that I don't work out enough!) You've got the rasp at least you'll know how to do it. But youre stomach shouldnt be hurting ever, not to mention after just thirty or so minutes. You dont want to squeeze with them unless you've been holding a note or scream and youre at the end of your support. This is why your stomach is feeling it. The stomach will of course have to tighten a bit, but you dont want to crunch it much. I would say practice relaxing. It sounds like your squeezing the throat a bit in an attempt to get the rasp and pressure youre losing by squeezing with stomach. Try to open up the throat, not just the mouth, and relax more when youre just practicing. I think you can eventually find the point where you get a better rasp and tone without the work you seem to be doing and feeling. But youre right there. Keep practicing. And remember that you wont need to push that hard with proper support from the stomach. It shouldnt be a squeeze. Take a breath and begin to say Uh like youre dissapointed but hold it before anything comes out. This can help you feel the pressure. you have to maintain the pressure by not opening up the cords too much. If you do then you'll lose more air instead of vibrating the cords with it and it will be more work to get the sound, this is why i tell people to practice at like half push and force, to make sure that you activate the cords first. Try to sing the notes when you practice...then continue to do this an add a little rasp and push over a period of time, so that you concentrated on the cords keeping the pressure behind them instead of pushing it out to get that raspy sound. Sing the notes first. even for a heavier grittier sound. You'll thankyourself later.

[Merkaba]

Dude youre doing it to me.
"I'll take whatever comes my way....lean on whoever wants to stay...." (guessin i heard that correctly)

Now I shall burn it to cd and sing it on my way to work! The miracles of technology. I shall check out another one of your songs now. I'll try them all...but im on friggin dial up so its like twenty minutes a piece.
:thumb:

[sundaysbest777]

hey whats up guys,

i've read the whole thread and all the posts about screaming emocore style, but i

1) Can anyone give me directtips on how to scream like spencer of underoath

2) whenever i try to scream it has a thin tone, how do i thicken it up?

3) i notice whenever i have a head/chest cold my singing and screaming quality decreses? is it just me or is this common?

[himynameistweek]

bump
i think this one is more imformative than the other...

[Uprooted]

Okay, I tried posting on the other one of these...got no help whatsoever so far, except being told to go to a doctor. I have a strong singing voice, very similar to Danzig during the Lucifuge and How the Gods Kill albums. I'm doing harder music right now, with guitars inspired from death and black metal styles. I want to get a scream like Devin Townsend's of Strapping Young Lad, albeit within the confines of my own voice to go with the more aggressive music and lyrics I've been generating. He's got a wide range of sounds he produces and he can still sing, that is pretty much what I want.

Here's the problem. I tried the methods detailed in a a couple of forums on screaming and for me it just doesn't work. Even if I get a scream started, it phases back into a strong clean tone.

I used to do growling death metal type stuff, probably overly throat projecting. I have no gag reflex anymore. Still, my voice is far stronger then it used to be while singing, I just can't get a scream out. Any ideas?

[dtone]

I tried t used the technique at the very beginning of this thread, but it sounds like a lot of air and a tiny bit of girly sounding scream coming out. Any ideas for me?

[himynameistweek]

how does the guy from hawthorne heights do it?

[Merkaba]

Okay, I tried posting on the other one of these...got no help whatsoever so far, except being told to go to a doctor. I have a strong singing voice, very similar to Danzig during the Lucifuge and How the Gods Kill albums. I'm doing harder music right now, with guitars inspired from death and black metal styles. I want to get a scream like Devin Townsend's of Strapping Young Lad, albeit within the confines of my own voice to go with the more aggressive music and lyrics I've been generating. He's got a wide range of sounds he produces and he can still sing, that is pretty much what I want.

Here's the problem. I tried the methods detailed in a a couple of forums on screaming and for me it just doesn't work. Even if I get a scream started, it phases back into a strong clean tone.

I used to do growling death metal type stuff, probably overly throat projecting. I have no gag reflex anymore. Still, my voice is far stronger then it used to be while singing, I just can't get a scream out. Any ideas?
Got a sample?

[echoed_song]

Hi there. I have a couple questions, if anyone can answer them. I hope they haven't been asked already, I didn't really want to search through the entire thread to check.
First, just to get things clear, is it not supposed to hurt at all after I scream? 'Cause if so, I'm doing it wrong :rolleyes:
Second, maybe I just need more practice, but it seems like whenever I try to put any force into my falsetto, it becomes full voice. I can get my full voice sounding good, put some grit in it and I'm happy with the sound of that, but I don't want to ruin my vocal chords, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
ES

[Merkaba]

Hi there. I have a couple questions, if anyone can answer them. I hope they haven't been asked already, I didn't really want to search through the entire thread to check.
First, just to get things clear, is it not supposed to hurt at all after I scream? 'Cause if so, I'm doing it wrong :rolleyes:
Second, maybe I just need more practice, but it seems like whenever I try to put any force into my falsetto, it becomes full voice. I can get my full voice sounding good, put some grit in it and I'm happy with the sound of that, but I don't want to ruin my vocal chords, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
ES
You should never have pain. Ever. Stop whatever youre doing. And go to this link.... http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286232

You need to learn isolation. If youre zipping your cords closed when you try to add force then youre combining some muscles that dont need to be combined. If you can zip up a high falsetto note into full voice that means youre pretty strong but your cords are the thinnest at higher pitches and more vulnerable to pressure. And if youre trying to scream a note that should be falsetto for you, but youre squeezing it into full voice you can really run into some problems and future damage. You can work that into your vocal workouts but not with alot of push, especially not with a scream push! So please be careful and do some research. Be sure to work on isolation and doing excersizes that allow you to feel your natural falsetto point so you know what you voice you need to use for any given note. This will come automatically after a while.

[echoed_song]

Glad I asked right away. Though really, the sore throat I've had all day is a bit of a giveaway heh. Shoulda known.
Question though: You said "A note that should be falsetto for you". I thought, from what I read here, that a good scream is not in fact a scream at all so much as a powerful falsetto note, or something? Sorry if I'm not getting this so well... I've only been singing for a year or two, and I always have trouble understanding any aspect of music with words.
Anyway, I will read through those links and keep what you said in mind. Thanks very much for the help.
ES

[Merkaba]

a scream is a note, done rather wildly with alot of distortion...thats the way i see it. I'm from the country so i guess the lower notes could be called a hollar....
hehe
Well it depends on what kind of scream youre going for. Some screams are straight falsetto. Most people are trying to get a mudvayne or chino or maynard or phil or Cornell "scream" Those are usually falsetto but with a big relaxed throat and the air is scraped off the back of the throat which makes it sound all screamish. But its a matter of knowing what you want and how much vocal cord activation you want to put into the sound. i.e. do you want it to sound like static in key, hehe, or a loud girly like note with rasp... Half of those screams, if done with just the pure tone would be just another note....its the manipulation of the larynx and back of the throa,t or soft palet, that makes it sound so screamy and blasted...it doesnt come from the cords. Of course remember that your soft palet will get irritated and sore also especially if you dont work this stuff out enough. All of the extra air and force irritates that area. So be sure its your cords and not the top of your throat. if its your cords it will be around the adams apple area. And is your speaking voice hoarse or raspy? if so its more of a cords problem or both. If you think its just your palet then its just virgin tissue getting pressure blasted like you would do a sidewalk. ouch

[echoed_song]

Wow. There's a whole lot of knowledge in that post that I don't posess, but I will try to get your gist, heh. And btw thanks again for all the help man, I have literally no one I can ask about this stuff, and since I also have no one else who can sing for me, I really need to learn it.
As for scream types, I'm thinking Nirvana, mostly, since I'm a big fan of them and I really like Kurt's usage of volume, distortion, and screaming to emphasise things--I try to emulate that. Not sure what category that falls into. I'm not doing anything too heavy, I just want to be able to put some grit and volume into a song, to help express emotion etc.
I'm not really sure how to tell if I'm using my palet or what (not really sure what a palet is, actually...) but I can tell you that my voice hasn't been hoarse or raspy, though I've done a lot of throat-clearing and had a mildly sore throat all day, so kind of on the edge of it. I'm betting I'm using my cords, which I take it I shouldn't be.
I don't know if it's possible, and I do know it's probably asking a lot, but can you explain in what way the larynx/palet are manipulated to get the screamy blasted effect? Any kind of rough idea would be great. But you've already helped lots, so thank you regardless, I won't mind if you don't want to go through all this with me heh.
Thanks again.
ES

[gaslight]

Hey man, those high pitched feedback sounding screams that Chino from the Deftones can pull off, that's using a falsetto voice right?

I wish I could scream but I don't think I have much of a talent for it.

[Merkaba]

Hey man, those high pitched feedback sounding screams that Chino from the Deftones can pull off, that's using a falsetto voice right?

I wish I could scream but I don't think I have much of a talent for it.
Yea falsetto, but its usually a supported falsetto, meaning you tense the cords like youre going to sing true voice but you do the falsetto, it gives it more body and tone and ..well support. and once you find the muscles you need to use, its not much talent. Its a matter of training yourself to use the muscles in your larynx independently. For that type of stuff you should be able to get the general sound at almost speaking volume. Again, its as if youre trying to sing high and whisper at the same time. You have to let the cords relax and make sure you have the adams apple(larynx aka voicebox) relaxed and not squeezed up. If you squeeze it, tense it up, or cant isolate the vocal cord actions from the larynx muscles, you can chalk it up. But that thing is anyone can learn it with time.

[gaslight]

Ah cool. Whenever I try to scream I always end up like choking/coughing.

[Merkaba]

Wow. There's a whole lot of knowledge in that post that I don't posess, but I will try to get your gist, heh. And btw thanks again for all the help man, I have literally no one I can ask about this stuff, and since I also have no one else who can sing for me, I really need to learn it.
As for scream types, I'm thinking Nirvana, mostly, since I'm a big fan of them and I really like Kurt's usage of volume, distortion, and screaming to emphasise things--I try to emulate that. Not sure what category that falls into. I'm not doing anything too heavy, I just want to be able to put some grit and volume into a song, to help express emotion etc.
I'm not really sure how to tell if I'm using my palet or what (not really sure what a palet is, actually...) but I can tell you that my voice hasn't been hoarse or raspy, though I've done a lot of throat-clearing and had a mildly sore throat all day, so kind of on the edge of it. I'm betting I'm using my cords, which I take it I shouldn't be.
I don't know if it's possible, and I do know it's probably asking a lot, but can you explain in what way the larynx/palet are manipulated to get the screamy blasted effect? Any kind of rough idea would be great. But you've already helped lots, so thank you regardless, I won't mind if you don't want to go through all this with me heh.
Thanks again.
ES

The soft pallet is the back of your throat like if you were to make a straight line up from your airpipe. The hard palet is the roof of your mouth. But i was saying that it may be the soft that is actually hurting and not your cords. Does your throat hurt when you sing? Without a screaming force, but just normally slide up and down in true voice and see if there is any discomfort. It might not be your cords thats hurting. It may be your soft palet getting irritated from all the air.

The way to make sure youre not using your cords to distort the sound (something you really cant do unless youre just pushing way too hard) is to try to get whatever type of rasp or sound you want with 50% or 60% of push. YOu dont have to push hard if you use technique to get any kind of tone. And alot of guys you see on stage screaming are adding emotion to it, and are straining more to keep their larynx open, and not to push the note. That strain actually takes some of the emotion for the singer, because we all want to be forceful and emote when we sing hard edged stuff, but if you can isolate your muslces , which you will have to be able to do eventually, then you can channel that energy into pulling the larynx down and keeping it open, and still letting the cords be relaxed and flexible. That takes time to learn for those that maybe cant do it yet. BUt its no miracle. What helped me is that i learned that the cords are horizontal and they stretch out and in horizontally, that and doing isolation exercises, and a lot of trial and error which I'm trying to minimize for folks here. it just helped me realize what i was doing and needed to do, as far as muslces go.

But dont get me wrong, I mean as you get stronger, youre gonna be pushing pretty hard and stuff...but if you dont know exactly what youre doing yet, its best to work slowly so that you can lean to work the muscles and tissue and not fatigue them before they've had a chance to workout. :wave:

[Merkaba]

Ah cool. Whenever I try to scream I always end up like choking/coughing.
Thats cause youre irritating your cords and they think there's something on them so they start that reflex. you should work witht the isolation exercises alot. I mean some of it is stuff you can do while youre watching t.v. or sitting in class or something.

[Speedhorn666]

Ok I've tried to implement as much of the advise as I can but it just doesn't seem 2 work for me at all lol. I just can't get my head round a lot of things.

I've attached a quick recording of my scream. Now I KNOW I'm doing it wrong and I also KNOW it's crap but I really want to try and get something good enough to do the odd bit of backing vocals so I was wondering if anyone could tell me exactly what is wrong so I know where to work. I also know that I need 2 improve my breathing drastically. Is there any hope for me? And does it sound as bad as I think it does?

By the way, it doesn't hurt my throat.

Cheerz,
Mike

[Merkaba]

Ok I've tried to implement as much of the advise as I can but it just doesn't seem 2 work for me at all lol. I just can't get my head round a lot of things.

I've attached a quick recording of my scream. Now I KNOW I'm doing it wrong and I also KNOW it's crap but I really want to try and get something good enough to do the odd bit of backing vocals so I was wondering if anyone could tell me exactly what is wrong so I know where to work. I also know that I need 2 improve my breathing drastically. Is there any hope for me? And does it sound as bad as I think it does?

By the way, it doesn't hurt my throat.

Cheerz,
Mike

hehe...dont bash yourself up so much. Its not that bad. Ok so theres no pain. and it should be comfortable and fun to do...really. Now the only other thing is that it sounds like youre not closing the cords tight. This is beneficial in higher screams cause you dont want to strain to close up a note that you need to sing in falsetto. But for these notes I think you could get better tone by gettin the cords able to stay clamped as you sing/scream. Practice singing what youre trying to say first. Its what we always stress because its true. YOu have to be able to close up the note tightly before you can shape it. Over time you can get better tone and still add that rasp. But dont rush things. And dont push too hard when youre trying to sing it hard. But if youre practicing then push enough to find your limits and to workout the cords after a good warm up of course. Dont be afraid to "get on it" You should have some warning if youre messing up. And its hard to do permanent damage...So take your time and over the next few days or so keep pushing your SINGING voice. You want to do some singing everyday if you can, for at least thirty minutes or so. Warm up and warm down. If you havent read my voichelp hotline then do so. its pretty informative while youre eating or taking breaks between P orno surfs. (ick, we cant ever write p o r n on this board?)

[himynameistweek]

what kind of eq settings generally sound good for screams?

[Speedhorn666]

hehe...dont bash yourself up so much. Its not that bad. Ok so theres no pain. and it should be comfortable and fun to do...really. Now the only other thing is that it sounds like youre not closing the cords tight. This is beneficial in higher screams cause you dont want to strain to close up a note that you need to sing in falsetto. But for these notes I think you could get better tone by gettin the cords able to stay clamped as you sing/scream. Practice singing what youre trying to say first. Its what we always stress because its true. YOu have to be able to close up the note tightly before you can shape it. Over time you can get better tone and still add that rasp. But dont rush things. And dont push too hard when youre trying to sing it hard. But if youre practicing then push enough to find your limits and to workout the cords after a good warm up of course. Dont be afraid to "get on it" You should have some warning if youre messing up. And its hard to do permanent damage...So take your time and over the next few days or so keep pushing your SINGING voice. You want to do some singing everyday if you can, for at least thirty minutes or so. Warm up and warm down. If you havent read my voichelp hotline then do so. its pretty informative while youre eating or taking breaks between P orno surfs. (ick, we cant ever write p o r n on this board?)

Thank you so much man. Your help is really appriciated. I'll work on it. Thanks :thumb:

[echoed_song]

Merkaba-1,
Thanks, I'll keep everything you said in mind. Should be able to work this out now, I think, so thanks very much, I appreciate it.
ES

[Merkaba]

what kind of eq settings generally sound good for screams?
I dont know cause if i did i would try to rely on it. It depends on what style youre going after i guess. some general good reverb helps to sustain a good scream regardless of the eq. I mean you wouldnt want the eq dead flat. experiment.

[gaslight]

I suppose it makes sense that if you want a low growl to boost the low end of the EQ, while if you want a high scream turn up the high end. That's as far as I can think it through.

[Corganschild]

Here's a question...

WHERE exactly do you go to sing besides wherever it is you're getting voice lessons. I mean, if you live with other people it's hard to always find time to be home when they're not, and then you risk them coming home and being majorly embarrassed! If you get an apartment, the other people are gonna hear you. And in a car, you can't stand up. Any ideas?

[gaslight]

^ I've never figured that out. I only sing when home alone, and even I complain about it :p.

[himynameistweek]

next time i get a chance i'll experiment with eq and let you guys know... i don't know how accurate it will be though cause i havent developed my scream all that much. i'm really curious about how the mids will affect it.

[Merkaba]

Here's a question...

WHERE exactly do you go to sing besides wherever it is you're getting voice lessons. I mean, if you live with other people it's hard to always find time to be home when they're not, and then you risk them coming home and being majorly embarrassed! If you get an apartment, the other people are gonna hear you. And in a car, you can't stand up. Any ideas?
Yea, I've done that before....Thought I had a while so i decided to do some tool overdubs....my sister came home and said, what was all that yellin' about? :amaze:

:rolleyes:

[himynameistweek]

i've been messin with it a little, all i can do is emo screams but i cranked the highs, had mids and about 4 o clock and low at 12 o clock and it sounded pretty good.

[himynameistweek]

how do you get audio files on here? you can't attach wavs or MP3s or anything... i can't get this to any other format

[Rats]

how do you get audio files on here? you can't attach wavs or MP3s or anything... i can't get this to any other format

Use http://www.yousendit.com

[himynameistweek]

alrighty.... here's how the guy from hawthorne heights screams.... help?

http://d11.yousendit.com/E/18OGMGM87KSFP22PBKISN4SI5G/scream(HH).wav
thanks rats

[Merkaba]

alrighty.... here's how the guy from hawthorne heights screams.... help?

http://d11.yousendit.com/E/18OGMGM87KSFP22PBKISN4SI5G/scream(HH).wav
thanks rats


the link doesnt work

[Rats]

alrighty.... here's how the guy from hawthorne heights screams.... help?

http://d11.yousendit.com/E/18OGMGM87KSFP22PBKISN4SI5G/scream(HH).wav
thanks rats


You need to link us to the page where it gives you the option to download it, or delete the file. If you link directly to the .wav file it won't work.

[himynameistweek]

http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1ADFM20I0OGUR0V1F5K861BMEA

[himynameistweek]

bump

[Merkaba]

yea. I was gonna reply but I'm gonna make a seperate thread that will cover this. Should be finished tonight. YOu know me it will be worth the wait.....(I'd like to think) :thumb: Meanwhile just practice strong chest and head notes. That can never hurt

[himynameistweek]

you know, i actually have no idea what either of those are. i see it talked about all the time, maybe i use them and dont even know it, but hell, im lost.

[Winter-seed...AKA b&h]

hey merk, i got a question....sorry...i know all these questions probably piss u off.
My problem is that i have no trouble getting the sound i want but the problem is with volume like with not much air the scream is fine but when i puch harder it stays the same volume.Is there something else i should be doing.Im sure its correct technique cause im not pushing hard to get the sound and i get no pain at all.Any help would be awesome.

thanks.

[Merkaba]

you know, i actually have no idea what either of those are. i see it talked about all the time, maybe i use them and dont even know it, but hell, im lost.
Chest are your mid to low notes, because the resonance from the thick cords actually vibrates your chest air and area and if you pay attention you can feel this.
Head is upper mid to high, and the resonance is in the head. You can feel this too.

Falsetto is high notes after head, when the cords open up and you get the airy girly sounds(for a guy).

If you dont understand you can do a low note and rise up to your highest note. pay attention to where you feel the sound and also where you feel the shift in your throat as the cords open up and you go to falsetto. All of this is assuming that youre properly breathing from the diaphragm

[Merkaba]

hey merk, i got a question....sorry...i know all these questions probably piss u off.
My problem is that i have no trouble getting the sound i want but the problem is with volume like with not much air the scream is fine but when i puch harder it stays the same volume.Is there something else i should be doing.Im sure its correct technique cause im not pushing hard to get the sound and i get no pain at all.Any help would be awesome.

thanks.
Right. If you push too much air it just passes through the cords and does nothing more than fatigue them and create more heat and dryness. When you try to go louder you want your cords to be tense and thicker. Two seperate muscle functions. From what i remember dude have a pretty strong voice. All you can do is sing alot of strong chest and head notes. And dont forget the loud "hah!" exercise. With I mic i know youre more than adequate so dont overdo it or srush it. But if youre getting no pain then just push more in your work. Dont forget that you will always have a balance point where you lose vocal integrity by overpushing. The lungs will always be more powerful then the cords. The sneeze is the equivalent of a small hurricane when it first exits your nose. Usually about 100 mph, and you cant sneeze with your eyes open(please dont try because:..) people have sneezed and tried to stop it and have blown blood vessels and died, and others have cracked ribs. Tidbits of information to let you know that the lungs will always overpower the cords. hehe....dont rush. You've got plenty of time to get louder.

[himynameistweek]

Ok tweek, this guy is using alot of fry. Its something that is hard to describe and is quite scientific, but that is what these types of screams use. Fry is actually technically the lowest register. It occurs below70 or so vibrations pers second, or Hertz,Hz. Its just the way the ear interprets the sound. When we sing we make a bunch of seperate puffs of air. at a hundred or two a second it sounds like one continuous sound, around 60 or 70 the ear doesnt hear it the same and the seperate vibrations can be detected.

It takes some practice and balance. For vocal fry You activate the cords just enough to get the tone but you keep them relaxed to the point that they are not under regular tension. See why I always stress Isolation? you have a set of muscles that pull the cords thin, a set that thickens them, another set that lowers the larynx and another that raises the larynx. So if you cant isolate well it will be more difficult to manipulate. so they basically kind of give and take between opening and closing so you get a note, then a lower whisper, then a note then a lower whisper. When the cords arent as tense they let more air puff out and this extra air can be further scraped off the back of the throat area. Some people call it a whisper scream. Rightfully so, and there are mixes and etc of course. I did it a bit in my samples in the voicehelp hotline. Basically you try to sing and whisper at the same time. Doesnt take a lot of push, as a matter of fact you cant get the tone with almost no push and its a way to practice it. Try to sound like a very slow elmer fudd, or you can breathe all the way out til you have almost no air, then try to sing a mid voice or any non falsetto note. You must stay relaxed throat wise. with the extra air that passes you have even more to bounce off the back of your throat and you get a very solid menacing rich sound.

Again to get fry you should practice this at minimal volume. Then as you get the feel a little more you can add more and more push to the point you can pull for higher notes while keeping them so relaxed you also get fry at the same time. Imagine the difference between highly tight cords and cords that are actually so relaxed that they breathe more than usual. Much more stamina.

If you get into vocal frying you will do it all the time in rock style vocals. Be sure to practice regular notes and end your session with some hard singing in regular voice to get the cords back to the habit of regular tension. Be sure to warm up and down.
:eek: whew... i'll give it a shot. thanks, you're the coolest.

[osirisblind]

Here's a couple little snips of my scream.. this is the only way I can get my voice to 'distort' when I scream and I think it sounds kinda good for what I'm aiming for, but it hurts my throat a lot... what should I do?
I've got a quite deep voice but my screams are all high pitched because its the only way I can get it to distort..
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/blacklistmusic.htm
Thanks..

[LittlePound]

is this kinda like the blindside scream. His is amazing how it fluctuates from screaming to singing

[himynameistweek]

Ok tweek, this guy is using alot of fry. Its something that is hard to describe and is quite scientific, but that is what these types of screams use. Fry is actually technically the lowest register. It occurs below70 or so vibrations pers second, or Hertz,Hz. Its just the way the ear interprets the sound. When we sing we make a bunch of seperate puffs of air. at a hundred or two a second it sounds like one continuous sound, around 60 or 70 the ear doesnt hear it the same and the seperate vibrations can be detected.

It takes some practice and balance. For vocal fry You activate the cords just enough to get the tone but you keep them relaxed to the point that they are not under regular tension. See why I always stress Isolation? you have a set of muscles that pull the cords thin, a set that thickens them, another set that lowers the larynx and another that raises the larynx. So if you cant isolate well it will be more difficult to manipulate. so they basically kind of give and take between opening and closing so you get a note, then a lower whisper, then a note then a lower whisper. When the cords arent as tense they let more air puff out and this extra air can be further scraped off the back of the throat area. Some people call it a whisper scream. Rightfully so, and there are mixes and etc of course. I did it a bit in my samples in the voicehelp hotline. Basically you try to sing and whisper at the same time. Doesnt take a lot of push, as a matter of fact you cant get the tone with almost no push and its a way to practice it. Try to sound like a very slow elmer fudd, or you can breathe all the way out til you have almost no air, then try to sing a mid voice or any non falsetto note. You must stay relaxed throat wise. with the extra air that passes you have even more to bounce off the back of your throat and you get a very solid menacing rich sound.

Again to get fry you should practice this at minimal volume. Then as you get the feel a little more you can add more and more push to the point you can pull for higher notes while keeping them so relaxed you also get fry at the same time. Imagine the difference between highly tight cords and cords that are actually so relaxed that they breathe more than usual. Much more stamina.

If you get into vocal frying you will do it all the time in rock style vocals. Be sure to practice regular notes and end your session with some hard singing in regular voice to get the cords back to the habit of regular tension. Be sure to warm up and down.
ok, i've been trying this, and it sounds like i might be on the right track, but it's kind of hurting, so i'm a little concerned. any ideas on what i might be doing wrong?
by the way, where are you from? there's a band called merkaba here...

[himynameistweek]

nevermind about the pain, i think i'm getting it now :thumb: thanks a lot

[drums4mtl]

im going for the crucial unit/the blood brothers scream but i cant go that high, i can only do like senses fail screams like in 187

[Merkaba]

ok, i've been trying this, and it sounds like i might be on the right track, but it's kind of hurting, so i'm a little concerned. any ideas on what i might be doing wrong?
by the way, where are you from? there's a band called merkaba here...

Im from SC.

Merkaba is a very ancient meditation. There are a few bands that use the name....

dammit!

hehe.

It should hurt. at all. Vocalizing should be fun to you even when youre working. Be sure youre not squeezing your throat up. Remember to try to get the feel with minimal push. Way minimal when you first start off.

[TheOneThatBleeds]

wut other bands use vocal fry?

[Sinai Beach]

im going for the crucial unit/the blood brothers scream but i cant go that high, i can only do like senses fail screams like in 187
i think my lead singer can go that high listen to him www.myspace.com/videoonmute and is how would you rate him merk

[EchoingVoices]

oh my... thats some crazy screaming... like... wow... lol, yeah he has it down i think

[drums4mtl]

grr, lol

bump

[gjkung]

silver, how do you do a scream like Shinedown? in that song Fly From the Inside

[Merkaba]

meh..... :upset:

[Merkaba]

Any newbies to this thread or forum i suggest you go back to more recent information maybe start around page 20 or something.

[44caliber]

ok man.... im still confused about the whole falsetto kind of singing... plz plz explain

[Merkaba]

Think Beegees , or The Darkness

[Alustle]

Hey merkaba1...awesome advice so far but do you think It would be wise for me to wait till my voice to completely develop into an adult before I start screaming again? I've been screaming since last november and as I get better at it I get worse at normal singing. There used to be just about nothing I couldn't sing. Then I thought I'd try screaming but it's messing up my throat.

[JessJansen]

I was just wondering if it matters the way u stand when u scream. somtimes i bedn over and i wasnt to sure if it was healthy or not.

[Merkaba]

Hey merkaba1...awesome advice so far but do you think It would be wise for me to wait till my voice to completely develop into an adult before I start screaming again? I've been screaming since last november and as I get better at it I get worse at normal singing. There used to be just about nothing I couldn't sing. Then I thought I'd try screaming but it's messing up my throat.
If youre using proper technique it shouldnt bother you because a scream when done correctly is just a big version of any other well produced note. Other than that I cant tell you if youre doing it correctly or not, or warming up or warming down or eating too much bullcrap or whatever the case may be. If your normal singing is deteriorating then youre obviously doing something terribly wrong. It might start to get lower as you age out of the teens but other than that age shouldnt cause any problems unless youre like 11 or 12 but even then when done properly you can gain strength. How old are you anyways?

[Merkaba]

I was just wondering if it matters the way u stand when u scream. somtimes i bedn over and i wasnt to sure if it was healthy or not.
It can make a difference because youre not gonna be able to get good support if you bend over...at least not like you would if you were upright. But too upright and stiff can lead to tension as well. Bending over wont allow the diaphragm and lungs to expand to full capacity but if you know proper singing/screaming you can do it all day bent over but thats something that would come with time.

[JessJansen]

It can make a difference because youre not gonna be able to get good support if you bend over...at least not like you would if you were upright. But too upright and stiff can lead to tension as well. Bending over wont allow the diaphragm and lungs to expand to full capacity but if you know proper singing/screaming you can do it all day bent over but thats something that would come with time.
ok thank you

[JomJom]

Hey, I've been practicing some screaming lately and I was wondering if you could help me out with something.

Dallas Taylor (old singer from underOATH, now sings in Maylene and the Sons of Disaster) pretty much inspired me to get into singing and screaming. I never actually caught on to how he does his scream though, it's so unique and unlike anything else out there. If possible, could you give me a technique to make that kind of scream?

[Merkaba]

Ok...will somebody post a sample of this goddam underoath scream. It cant be that **** special. All i hear about is underoath.

Go to the top of this forum to the jams session links and then go into voichelp hotline and realize what the vocal cords do. You have to first have strong cords and good technique. The cords can only make vowel sounds...everything else comes from your manipulating the sound after you have produced it well.

[osirisblind]

hey merkaba-1,
im surprised nobody's mentioned this, because i think this is one of the best/most unique screams ive ever heard.
stza from leftover crack.. he has an insane shredded, raspy voice that hurts my throat just listening to it but its so **** good..
please check out this link for the songs Born to Die and Heroin or Suicide.
both have really good screams especially in the last third or so.
please do a little review of his scream, im sure many punks on here would appreciate it.

[Merkaba]

In your excitement and fervor you forgot the link!

[himynameistweek]

Ok...will somebody post a sample of this goddam underoath scream. It cant be that **** special. All i hear about is underoath.

Go to the top of this forum to the jams session links and then go into voichelp hotline and realize what the vocal cords do. You have to first have strong cords and good technique. The cords can only make vowel sounds...everything else comes from your manipulating the sound after you have produced it well.
underoath is a great band, but the screamer isn't anything that special. i think a lot of people are asking about it because it sounds a little different than what's usually heard in emo-esque music, i.e. hawthorne heights. but, i can't get that sound either, so if there is some difference in the technique it would be nice to know. i'm at school right now, but when i get home i'll find a link if nobody else has.

[harmonica_man]

Someone said the same thing about the guitar when it first came out for music. I mean it was unheard of. How can you play music with it???? But look what happened...

[osirisblind]

sorry merkaba, suppose i did forget the link, my bad, haha here it is. PLEASE GIVE A REVIEW!
www.purevolume.com/smashedtopieces

[himynameistweek]

ok, merkaba, here you go.
http://s17.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3UTGQDM28SBVP1UENSH1TDUZAU

[Merkaba]

sorry merkaba, suppose i did forget the link, my bad, haha here it is. PLEASE GIVE A REVIEW!
www.purevolume.com/smashedtopieces
the link is still wrong but i figured it out.

Nothing going on in leftover crack that I havent talked about. Rather typical...

[Merkaba]

Thanks tweak...
dude has a strong voice. But its no different than any other raspy scream...ala mudvayne, deftones, Finch, etc..

[Peg Dizzler]

We still need some sort of sticky thread, where the first post pretty much explains everything like it should be explained. :)

[Iron_Weed]

Hey does anyone no Tame by the Pixies? If you do then could you tell me what kinda screaming Frank Black is doing/ if he's doing the Kurt Cobain thing where he's not really screaming?

[Peg Dizzler]

*sigh*

[JomJom]

Hmm...whoever posted the underOATH song on here posted the new stuff. I was talking about the old singer, Dallas Taylor. Go to http://www.purevolume.com/underoath and listen to "When The Sun Sleeps". That's just a sample of his screaming, not one of their best songs. If you wanna be adventurous and listen to their amazing stuff, check out "The Changing of Times", "Short of Daybreak", "Never Meant To Break Your Heart", and lots of others...could you tell me any techniques to make this kind of scream? Or is it just a naturally strong voice?