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Hey folks,

We’ve launched a brand new tagging system for genres. Please use this thread to report any bugs or suggestions you might have.

There will likely be a lot of volatility in the first few days as tags get updated. Please be patient throughout this process.





FourthReich
06.27.13
this is a thing of beauty-http://www.sputnikmusic.com/genre.php?id=4

great job, really

tommygun
06.27.13
diggin this a lot way to go fellas

thumbcrusher
06.27.13
i think it would be good if we could vote genres down

FourthReich
06.27.13
my pie chart took quite an unexpected hit

this guy still exists, i find that kind of funny-http://www.sputnikmusic.com/user/genre.php?tagid=21



Cygnatti
06.27.13
Here are some of the things I've added so far, let me know if some are a bit unnecessarily specific for your guy's taste or what have you:
- Glitch
- Bossanova
- Vaporwave
- New wave
- Darkwave
- No wave
- Afrobeat
- Artpop
- Krautrock

I was thinking about adding the following as well, not sure if I should though:
- blue-eyed soul
- power pop
- post punk revival (I personally think it's much different than post punk in general)
- neoclassical

Voivod
06.27.13
First of all, the site changes are awesome.



One question:

In the charts section, there is the old genres list. Now with the new genres being submitted by the userbase and approved by the site's admins, will this list get progressively updated?

tempest--
06.27.13
I think we should remove the "metal" tag, and label bands with the traditional sound as "heavy metal"

Funeralopolis
06.27.13
remove metal tag [2]

Owantjaaaa
06.27.13
Great, I've been waiting for this!
I'd like genre tags per album too, because some bands change in style

Owantjaaaa
06.27.13
Change hardcore into hardcore punk

Cygnatti
06.27.13
I'm also not sure how I feel about "alt/indie" just turning out as "alternative".

CK
06.27.13
There's no HOME button on the top half the time now, which kind of bugs me

my pie chart took quite an unexpected hit[2]
HOLYSHIT

Keyblade
06.27.13
awesome job

my pie chart is a little wack right now, for example I have like 10% post rock when I have almost no post rock rated. conversely, I don't have a slice for electronic or ambient which are some of my most rated genres. I'll put that down to bad tagging for now, and I'm sure we'll have more accurate tags once more users start tagging

Cygnatti
06.27.13
"There's no HOME button on the top half the time now, which kind of bugs me

my pie chart took quite an unexpected hit[2]
HOLYSHIT "

click on "reviews" instead.

Voivod
06.27.13
Bug report:

in my profile's genre pie chart, "Progressive Metal" is shown as "rogressive Metal"

FourthReich
06.27.13
refused and death grips showing up next to one another within my hardcore slice on my pie chart is a odd sight to say the least

Funeralopolis
06.27.13
We need melodic death metal and deathcore tags

ViperAces
06.27.13
i think there should a hard rock tag too, because deep purple and the beatles arent the same

CK
06.27.13
Also, the progressive metal tag should maybe be modified or removed, because in my pie chart now it became the biggest portion of the chart, and when I scroll over it the band examples it gives me are Atheist, Misery Signals, and Negura Bunget. Atheist is majorly death metal, Misery Signals is majorly metalcore, and Negura Bunget is majorly black metal

FourthReich
06.27.13
yes an unnecessary rip to the home button, but that is kind of dumb to complain about. perhaps make the sput logo able to be clicked on?

thumbcrusher
06.27.13
@Atheist well you gotta vote for the right genres for the band!

Keyblade
06.27.13
agreed with CK hard. it seems just about any metal is being tagged with progressive metal

Cygnatti
06.27.13
I added disco and slowcore as well.

I just realized that both "alt rock" and "alt/indie" were scrapped in favor of a single "alternative" tag. not a fan of this tbh. not sure what to do about it, though.

ViperAces
06.27.13
"the sput logo able to be clicked on"

Days of Future Passed
06.27.13
I think the new genre tagging system is a good idea, but for some reason our pie charts get messed up. For example, I doubt Pink Floyd and other prog rock bands are considered prog "metal" but they are grouped under that genre. Maybe it's just a very specific problem pertaining to that particular genre, I don't know, but have a look at the pie charts.

ViperAces
06.27.13
you can add indie rock

thumbcrusher
06.27.13
i think if we could vote genres down like i suggested earlier in the thread, it doesn't really matter if they're tagged wrongly now like all prog going prog metal

Deviant.
06.27.13
"- Vaporwave" no blog tags please "slowcore " sigh

Jom
06.27.13
You guys need to give the genre roll-outs at least a week before everything is situated. To expect that everything was going to be 100% correct within the first hour of launch is hilarious.

All that needs to happen is for people to start using the system and fixing the bugs. The progressive rock/progressive metal hiccup is to be expected since you guys decided to differentiate the genres. If a band was tagged as Metal and Progressive under the old system, it got lumped as Progressive Metal to induce users to start using the system.

That last part is probably the important part: we want people to participate in rolling this out!

As far as genres being approved goes, this is also going to take a week or two. We're not going to start adding genres on the first day (no matter how accurate they may be) until we can at least solidify some activity from users with what's here.

I'm shocked that there's only been one vote to Opeth so far, for instance.

CK
06.27.13
While we're at it, can we add "ambient" as a genre? Because, well, it is, and we have a lot of ambient artists that are labeled as either post-rock or electronica

Jom
06.27.13
Ambient is in the list, CK... it's second on the list!

Funeralopolis
06.27.13
ugh all these retards voting with alternative as a genre

CK
06.27.13
Woah, I didn't even check the new genre list yet. Thanks!

SitarHero
06.27.13
Not to be a negative nancy, but Im not a fan of the overly specific genre-fication. That being said, my chart now reflects my music tastes accurately. xD

clercqie
06.27.13
"I just realized that both "alt rock" and "alt/indie" were scrapped in favor of a single "alternative" tag. not a fan of this tbh. not sure what to do about it, though."

Tag something Alternative + either indie or rock? Genius isn't it?

Can you delete or downvote tags?

Cygnatti
06.27.13
just realized only 3 tags seem to show up. I was expect more than just three...

Cygnatti
06.27.13
"Tag something Alternative + either indie or rock? Genius isn't it?

Can you delete or downvote tags?"

kinda trying to do that, can't downvote the alternative tags that are already there, though.

tommygun
06.27.13
top 3 yea

Keyblade
06.27.13
isis as progressive metal? who the hell is doing that. and one of the problems with the user tagging system is the inevitability of huge number of noobs who will tag Ne Obliviscaris as black metal for example

JS19
06.27.13
I really like it, but you definitely need to sort the progressive rock/metal thing out. It's almost like prog rock has just vanished off the site completely.

Keyblade
06.27.13
Ulver - Alternative

wat

Cygnatti
06.27.13
"isis as progressive metal? who the hell is doing that. and one of the problems with the user tagging system is the inevitability of huge number of noobs who will tag Ne Obliviscaris as black metal for example"

calm down, man. they've already addressed that, twas a slip up.

tempest--
06.27.13
You guys need to give the genre roll-outs at least a week before everything is situated. To expect that everything was going to be 100% correct within the first hour of launch is hilarious. [2]

fish.
06.27.13
I like it.

mx
06.27.13
If you think a band is tagged incorrectly...... retag it.

fish.
06.27.13
I really like the new genre pages as well.

FourthReich
06.27.13
thanks mx and jom for making sput even more additive, didn't think it was possible, but i'm never going to sleep now with all of the tagging i feel obliged to do!

MrElmo
06.27.13
It's ok but the tag prog metal is everywhere now, it's even on grind bands like An Isle Ate Her or hardcore like Converge

Keyblade
06.27.13
" calm down, man. they've already addressed that, twas a slip up."

just giving feedback dude, already stated i'm effin delighted with this

Owantjaaaa
06.27.13
I am guilty of tagging converge as hardcore and progressive metal

fish.
06.27.13
I disagree about downvoting genre tags. What difference will it make? People will still downvote the "wrong" things and all it will do is confuse the system and allow for people to screw about more.

Keyblade
06.27.13
trying to tag as much as i can. surprised nobody has even changed Camel from progressive metal

clercqie
06.27.13
Oh and stop tagging every band that uses a synthesizer as electronic.

Cygnatti
06.27.13
"Oh and stop tagging every band that uses a synthesizer as electronic."

do you think we should differentiate between synth pop and new wave?

thumbcrusher
06.27.13
I disagree about downvoting genre tags. What difference will it make? People will still downvote the "wrong" things and all it will do is confuse the system and allow for people to screw about more.

well for example because bands that are just prog rock have been given prog metal by default and you have to thik of 2 other genres that they aren't really to get prog metal off the page

thumbcrusher
06.27.13
was quoting fish. for that first part

johnnydeking29
06.27.13
I like it; it might not be perfect but it is an improvement on what we had before

MrElmo
06.27.13
Pie chart: gressive metal: Niechec. something tells me where gonna need a tad of time to adjust

Keyblade
06.27.13
i think the more people vote, the less important downvoting becomes.

clercqie
06.27.13
"do you think we should differentiate between synth pop and new wave?"
Don't really care about those genres, but yes.

Cygnatti
06.27.13
it'd help alleviate electronic's overuse, I think so anyways.

should we add a crunkcore genre, since having "pop, hip-hop, electronic" is so unnecessary.

MrElmo
06.27.13
Well synthpop relates to the actual sound whereas New Wave was a music movement we can situate in history

Keyblade
06.27.13
on a brighter note, i finally have color in my pie chart ^^

Deviant.
06.27.13
"should we add a crunkcore genre, since having "pop, hip-hop, electronic" is so unnecessary."

no

Owantjaaaa
06.27.13
Add crust punk, powerviolence, screamo, d-beat, new wave, no wave, southern rock

fish.
06.27.13
I'm wondering whether there should be a smaller umbrella genre section and then a section with subgenres. Cos we have prog metal & prog rock, but then "alternative". Do you suggest "alternative metal" or just tag "alternative" and then "metal"?

"well for example because bands that are just prog rock have been given prog metal by default and you have to thik of 2 other genres that they aren't really to get prog metal off the page "

The problem there is that they were default changed in the first place, but they only have "1 vote". But some people are probably gonna end up voting prog metal ianyway and having a downvoting system is just gonna inflame these arguments which the system was designed to avoid. Who's to say no-one will downvote "prog rock" when you tag it? I think you just have to have faith that once enough people have voted things will settle down.


Cygnatti
06.27.13
Like bands such as kraftwerk, daft punk, and kanye's 808s are all synth pop but none of them are new wave. Some bands are both, though.

mx
06.27.13
The hope is that more votes will lead to accurate genres. If this doesn't occur, there are possible ways to intervene. Let's wait for the dust to settle first.

ViperAces
06.27.13
before the change i only had 20% prog on my pie chart, now i have 12% prog rock and 20% prog metal, how?

Keyblade
06.27.13
kraftwerk were decidedly electronic, nothing really synthpop about them

clercqie
06.27.13
Kraftwerk and daft punk aren't synth pop

Keyblade
06.27.13
"The hope is that more votes will lead to accurate genres. If this doesn't occur, there are possible ways to intervene. Let's wait for the dust to settle first."

agreed with this. just wait it out guys

Cygnatti
06.27.13
C'mon. How is the model NOT synth pop?

facupm
06.27.13
rip home button

clercqie
06.27.13
Kraftwerk: electronic + pop
Daft Punk: techno + house + pop

done

fish.
06.27.13
I guess it could cause problems if a band doesn't really have any more than one or two genres.

Like I'm looking at Pierce The Veil here, who've got prog metal tagged, but can only really be called post hardcore.

ViperAces
06.27.13
yea exactly. camel are tagged both prog rokc and prog metal, but they are only prog rock really

Deviant.
06.27.13
Cygnatti, so far you've mentioned vaporwave, blue eyed soul and crunkcore. I think you should sit this one out,for a few few hours at least

Deviant.
06.27.13
"yea exactly. camel are tagged both prog rokc and prog metal, but they are only prog rock really"

And guys once again, the transition was never going to be a smooth one. There are going to be things to sort out, and many endless hours of genre debating ahead of us. Relax!

mx
06.27.13
"I guess it could cause problems if a band doesn't really have any more than one or two genres."

This is rare, but yes. May implement something next week on this.

clercqie
06.27.13
"many endless hours of genre debating ahead of us. "

Huzzzahh!!!

fish.
06.27.13
Do you have to be a registered user to use these tags? Or can anyone who comes across the site edit these things?

Deviant.
06.27.13
"Huzzzahh!!!"

Let me throw on my post dubstep pants and crack into this

thumbcrusher
06.27.13
" "I guess it could cause problems if a band doesn't really have any more than one or two genres."

This is rare, but yes. May implement something next week on this."

maybe if they have to have a certain % of the votes to show up?


fish.
06.27.13
"maybe if they have to have a certain % of the votes to show up?"

that's what I was thinking

ViperAces
06.27.13
"maybe if they have to have a certain % of the votes to show up?"
nice

MunsuLight
06.27.13
Real problems with these tags are the progressive metal tag who got prog rock, hardcore, emo and a lot of other in it.. I don't understand why Converge, Pink Floyd and CTTS are prog metal XD

clercqie
06.27.13
R&B is a tag (check The Weeknd page), but won't show up under genre suggestions.

Atari
06.27.13
This is really cool. I like how it shows 3 bands instead of 2 when you drag your mouse over the different genres in your pie chart. It's also awesome to be able to browse albums by genres like ska, thrash, black metal, etc

fish.
06.27.13
Wondering what could be done about overlap. Seems a little pointless having Bon Iver as both "indie folk" and "folk", and slapping in "alternative" or "rock" when it isn't really necessary if you already have "indie rock" or "nu metal".

Owantjaaaa
06.27.13
Should I add "ska punk" or just use punk and ska?

fish.
06.27.13
"R&B is a tag (check The Weeknd page), but won't show up under genre suggestions."

I just suggested it so I'm guessing the system is taking a bit of time to adjust.

clercqie
06.27.13
Maybe we should just drop the indie tag altogether. Indie folk, fucking stupid.

clercqie
06.27.13
"I just suggested it so I'm guessing the system is taking a bit of time to adjust."
Alright, thought it was a bug because of the ampersand.

mx
06.27.13
With the issue of overlap -- I think it's fine to have bands tagged both 'indie' and 'indie folk'. The former will be a larger genre (for a broader audience).

Eventually I can disqualify tags if we see something like the following scenario:

Tag A 20 votes
Tab B 14 votes
Tac C 1 vote

Not clear in this case that Tag C should count. But not implementing this right away.

FictionalFlames
06.27.13
Love the new genre tagging system.

fish.
06.27.13
"Alright, thought it was a bug because of the ampersand."

Well I suggested glam and I've seen it appear infrequently since, and I've also seen "mathcore" float about, but not when I tried to tag Converge.

ViperAces
06.27.13
" thrash, black metal"
dude this was always like that

mx
06.27.13
Most new tags have not been approved.

fish.
06.27.13
See I was just able to tag Frank Ocean r&b but not The-Dream. But now someone else has, so I'm guessing the system just has to settle down.

ProjectFreak
06.27.13
Looks good so far

ProjectFreak
06.27.13
But is anyone else having problems with the Dig feature? I can apparently only dig albums that I add to the database...

Owantjaaaa
06.27.13
"Well I suggested glam and I've seen it appear infrequently since, and I've also seen "mathcore" float about, but not when I tried to tag Converge."
No mathcore please
Every band that's being called mathcore hates that name

DikkoZinner
06.27.13
Nice job, looks sharp.

fish.
06.27.13
"Every band that's being called mathcore hates that name"

same goes for idm and post rock but fuck them


by the way, is "garage" garage the rock genre or uk garage the electronic genre?

thumbcrusher
06.27.13
a low priority suggestion would be to be able to see how many votes the genres you've voted for have.

ProjectFreak
06.27.13
"Every band that's being called mathcore hates that name"

Every band that's called ANY genre more specific than "rock" or "metal" hates the name, but we call them that anyway.

bakkermaarten007
06.27.13
Kinda digging the 'suggest genre' option and the quick processing I've noticed so far. But like I mentioned in the thread I've made, I fear that not so popular bands will get mistagged often =/

Deviant.
06.27.13
"same goes for idm and post rock but fuck them"

Actually only Aphex kicked up a stink about IDM

And garage is garage, not garage rock

ProjectFreak
06.27.13
Also the new system is making for some really screwy taste piecharts, I have bands in at least two portions of the pie all over the place.

ProjectFreak
06.27.13
There should be a way to remove superfluous tags; someone tagged Icarus the Owl and La Dispute as progressive metal...

bakkermaarten007
06.27.13
"Also the new system is making for some really screwy taste piecharts, I have bands in at least two portions of the pie all over the place."
That too.

clercqie
06.27.13
Lol, just tagged Aphex Twin as IDM. I also suggested breakcore, but idk Drum & Bass works fine for me as well.

Not a fan of garage rock tag btw. Just call it Rock (+ maybe Alternative).

Motiv3
06.27.13
when it makes my piechart look fucking awesome. Dig the tagging system and the increase in genres done in a way like last fm. Like it a lot.

fish.
06.27.13
"But like I mentioned in the thread I've made, I fear that not so popular bands will get mistagged often =/"

don't see how it's any different to before. anyway it'll only really affect the few people who listen to those bands, who are probably the ones who tagged them in the first place. and unless there are literally only a few votes I don't think it'll cause that much of a problem.

Deviant.
06.27.13
Breackcore and drum & bass are pretty separate entities dude

TMobotron
06.27.13
So happy about this.

clercqie
06.27.13
"Breackcore and drum & bass are pretty separate entities dude"
Eh, not really in my book.

Deviant.
06.27.13
You're reading the wrong book then ;)

Deviant.
06.27.13
Now, separating jungle and drum & bass - that's a different story

MuhNamesTyler
06.27.13
Sweet, can't wait to check out the charts in about a week or so

TMobotron
06.27.13
lol i JUST suggested jungle as a tag

GiaNXGX
06.27.13
changing an artist's genre should add a token to your band edits pocket

Deviant.
06.27.13
"lol i JUST suggested jungle as a tag"

I know, I just saw it in the queue. That's why I mentioned it haha

GiaNXGX
06.27.13
fix that

clercqie
06.27.13
"You're reading the wrong book then ;)"

Idk, I always thought of Breakcore as a dnb substyle like liquid, neurofunk, etc. Anyways, I'll use it when it passes through.

TMobotron
06.27.13
haha word I'm okay with dnb and jungle just being dnb if that's the decision - i was tagging zomby though and thought jungle gave off a way better idea than drum and bass (which someone else had tagged him as)

JS19
06.27.13
I just blitzed through my prog rock collection to get the terrible prog metal tags OFF these bands, but some bands no-one really listens to. They are going to be stuck with the wrong tag for the rest of the sputnik lefetime.

That's not OK!

Why is there not an option to downvote a tag???

fish.
06.27.13
I think this is the first time I've ever seen a major site change (anywhere) received so positively.

MuhNamesTyler
06.27.13
Sput's just full of a buncha nice fellas

JS19
06.27.13
We really need a 'Math Rock' option

rockandmetaljunkie
06.27.13
Great job guys.

Deviant.
06.27.13
"haha word I'm okay with dnb and jungle just being dnb if that's the decision - i was tagging zomby though and thought jungle gave off a way better idea than drum and bass (which someone else had tagged him as)"

That was me - Jungle kind of predates the idea of "drum & bass", even though it falls more into the rave aspect of the scene. Jungle is more DJ Hype, and the amen breaks of Where Were You In '92

"Idk, I always thought of Breakcore as a dnb substyle like liquid, neurofunk, etc. Anyways, I'll use it when it passes through."

It's a hardcore variant of breaks (/breakbeat)

Deviant.
06.27.13
*than the amen breaks

clercqie
06.27.13
So then I use Breaks for stuff like Venetian Snares and Squarepusher?

TMobotron
06.27.13
Yeah I don't disagree with him being tagged dnb, i just prefer the jungle descriptor for his stuff. But again, it's not a big deal at all, his is one of the only cases I would even bother to think about it for.

Deviant.
06.27.13
Nope; a breakcore tag for them. Breaks is stuff like Adam Freeland (Coastal Breaks etc)

clercqie
06.27.13
But I suggested the Breakcore tag like a half hour ago and it still doesn't show up. Get on it man, this is urgent business!!! ;)

bowlofsoup
06.27.13
I'm really liking the new layout, but I feel like the voting option is going to get abused by idiots.

bowlofsoup
06.27.13
Plus, my pie chart is colorful now.

TMobotron
06.27.13
yeah my pie chart is pretty as fuck

Deviant.
06.27.13
"But I suggested the Breakcore tag like a half hour ago and it still doesn't show up. Get on it man, this is urgent business!!! ;):

Big man wants us to hold off on approving everything right off the bat. This way we can get a look at the initial round of entries, and see what's working and what isn't. And to also get a feel for the kind of entries being submitted. Example: someone submitted "Spectralism" as a genre...

Deviant.
06.27.13
Oh, and now we have brostep

Survey says: NOPE!

TMobotron
06.27.13
Cygnatti's fault.

ViperAces
06.27.13
and now suddenly there is no prog metal at all? i dont get it

clercqie
06.27.13
"Example: someone submitted "Spectralism" as a genre..."

As a scientist myself, I can only approve of such a thing.

tommygun
06.27.13
lotta people bitching bout the prog metal thing like can they read or

Cygnatti
06.27.13
This is gonna be soooo awesome.

treeqt.
06.27.13
rip other, rip 50% electronic
hello psychedelic, hello prog rock (wtf?), hello twice as much post-rock

so we basically just tag everything slightly out of the ordinary in it's respective genre prog and post now?

JS19
06.27.13
l'otta people bitching bout the prog metal thing like can they read or'

Except for the lesser known bands it doesn't work! Not every band is going to get lots of votes

rockandmetaljunkie
06.27.13
add hard rock and remove either metal or heavy metal

Deviant.
06.27.13
"so we basically just tag everything slightly out of the ordinary in it's respective genre prog and post now? " No; it's not hard to imagine that when certain tags were re-branded that there would be a little mis-tagging at launch date. Seriously guys, take a minute to think about this

rockandmetaljunkie
06.27.13
Also, Jazz-Fusion should be a part of the new genre system.

Owantjaaaa
06.27.13
Lunch date

Havey
06.27.13
I need my Bossa Nova!

immortalizepain
06.27.13
I need my Bossa Nova!

and also, I'm digging this! :DD

scissorlocked
06.27.13
whatever the case, I'm downvoting for future IDM tagging

ProjectFreak
06.27.13
"We really need a 'Math Rock' option"

yep

fish.
06.27.13
plz don't introduce downvoting

ProjectFreak
06.27.13
plz do introduce downvoting so I can fix the fact that friggin punk-pop bands are tagged as prog-metal

Donchivo
06.27.13
doesn't quite fit yet... some examples from my pie chart:
Blues: AC DA, Dire Straits
Folk: Opeth, satyricon
Psychedelic: Yes
Metal: Deep Purple
King Crimson named both in rock and in progressive rock

oh well... but hey its soooo colourful!

fish.
06.27.13
"plz do introduce downvoting so I can fix the fact that friggin punk-pop bands are tagged as prog-metal"

this is pretty much the only reason people have asked for it to be introduced and it would cause more problems than solve. also other solutions have already been suggested

Deviant.
06.27.13
"whatever the case, I'm downvoting for future IDM tagging"

Way to be rebellious man

methylorange42
06.27.13
I vote for addition of djent: Meshuggah, Periphery, Vildhjarta, Veil of Maya, Xerath, Tesseract...

ProjectFreak
06.27.13
"I vote for addition of djent"

no

ProjectFreak
06.27.13
also Boston is listed as Progressive Rock on my chart even though they're not listed as Progressive on their own page?

scissorlocked
06.27.13
"Way to be rebellious man"

what is rebellious is Idm related to jazz

Underflow
06.27.13
Beyond bizarre seeing Dillinger Escape Plan featured on the jazz page.

scissorlocked
06.27.13
where's the mathcore tag?

treeqt.
06.27.13
nandacollection pop & electronic aoty confirmed
kyary >>

Azn.
06.27.13
We really need a 'Math Rock' option

Thirded

thumbcrusher
06.27.13
tag button doesn't work for me now :-(

Relinquished
06.27.13
"I vote for addition of djent: Meshuggah, Periphery, Vildhjarta, Veil of Maya, Xerath, Tesseract..."

lol no

geasoftime
06.27.13
I suggested "glitch" and now the tag button doesn't work, on any browser

Bassclef
06.27.13
Can´t tag any more...is there a limit of tags a day?
Great job btw...

DrGunther
06.27.13
I can tag stuff as 'Stoner Rock' but can't browse to it by genre from the front page, should all genres be added there if you can tag them?

We can talk about Sabbath, the 70s and beards and stuff in that section then.

rockandmetaljunkie
06.27.13
I think the glitch is restored.

chesse13
06.27.13
yeah math rock/core

Bassclef
06.27.13
Works again, maybe my bad.

scissorlocked
06.27.13
... so we can be genre nazis once again!

chesse13
06.27.13
maybe not mathcore idk really

mx
06.27.13
Genres won't appear on the navigation panel until there are > 30 bands tagged. The navigation updates once per day.

Note that chart, new releases, news work similarly. Only genres with a certain amount of content appear as selections.

Cygnatti
06.27.13
"I can tag stuff as 'Stoner Rock' but can't browse to it by genre from the front page, should all genres be added there if you can tag them?"

this'll probably take a while for them.

Jom
06.27.13
ATTN: Everybody

1. We're not approving new genres YET. We will next week, I PROMISE.

2. You guys are welcome to propose genres -- just know that they're not going to be placed on-site just yet.

3. When proposing genres, PLEASE make them Title Case (so it syncs up well with the all-lowercase tags on the band pages). To the user who proposed FrUiTcAkEcOrE: I hate you. Stop it.

4. Those of you who are concerned about trolling: I get it, but trust me, this will not be as big an issue as you're leading yourselves to believe. Trust me.

5. Lists of five!

Deviant.
06.27.13
"what is rebellious is Idm related to jazz"

huh?

ProjectFreak
06.27.13
"... so we can be genre nazis once again!"

pretty sure that never really stopped

Headfoot
06.27.13
When "browsing genres" I'd really like to be able to multi-select various genres and view them all at once. I liked the old "Metal" page because I like most varieties of metal and it helped me broaden my horizons a bit. For example, I'd like to be able to view both Melodic Death Metal and Death Metal at the same time

thumbcrusher
06.27.13
yeah and also i think it would be cool to see more general genres for the charts as well

mx
06.27.13
Multi-select is something I'm considering for the future.

eloimayano
06.27.13
Nice changes, way to go guys! I'd just personally vote for the add of a Math Rock tag!

AliW1993
06.27.13
Good changes, I like. I'll be adding spoken word once they're up for submission.

Omaha
06.27.13
Death Grips is a hardcore group, I hear? Cool!

JamieTwort
06.27.13
Is 7 genres the maximum that will show up in the pie charts?

iwasnvrurbf
06.27.13
suggested math rock, screamo and folk punk
these changes are growing on me

bach
06.27.13
Liking it a lot actually.

bastni
06.27.13
err. I liked when we could see the most rated of month, is it possible to come back?

grish
06.27.13
i may just not be looking hard enough, but i see nothing explaining where this voting thing is taking placer

grish
06.27.13
never mind, got it

ILJ
06.27.13
FUCK

YES

earlier than expected

grish
06.27.13
also i agree with 'heavy metal should be the classic sound, and we should get rid of metal'

DrMaximus
06.27.13
A screamo tag would be amazing. Great changes.

ILJ
06.27.13
what the fuck prog rock is now my biggest pie slice how did that even happen



grish
06.27.13
@ILJ everything's changing at the moment please stand by

DrMaximus
06.27.13
Everyone has progressive rock, at this point.

grish
06.27.13
wait no what about jazz fusion

KILL
06.27.13
even andcas! well probs not

iwasnvrurbf
06.27.13
no prog rock for me, ur all nerds

ILJ
06.27.13
prog rock> everything

loveisamixtape
06.27.13
dig the setup and the genre system

i wish alt/indie was still alt/indie tho but it doesn't matter that much

Chortles
06.27.13
noise rock is a tag now yay

grish
06.27.13
'symphonic metal' isn't capitalized like the rest

mindleviticus
06.27.13
Could we please add an IDM tag?

fish.
06.27.13
There's already an idm tag.

Maybe there should be a more elaborate explanation of what should be added as a genre or not.

grish
06.27.13
- Please avoid personal tags (ie 'favorites','to buy').
- Please avoid tags that apply to less than 30 bands.
- Please avoid tags that are synonymous with other genres.

grish
06.27.13
it looks like the 'heavy metal' tag was removed as an option, but it still shows up on some bands' pages (e.g. megadeth)

fish.
06.27.13
More elaborate.

I.e. jungle not being accepted, and as far as I can see deathcore being rejected. Cos obviously if you carry on the list gets immense, so there'll have to be some kind of leash on it.

fish.
06.27.13
It probably wasn't removed, it's just that the newly accepted options seem to appear irregularly. I'm guessing it will sort itself out in time.

Funeralopolis
06.27.13
put melodic death metal pls

fish.
06.27.13
Why don't you just submit it as an option?

Ignimbrite
06.27.13
Good job overall but who's the genius that tagged Underoath as post-metal?

We need to be able to downvote tags.

JamieTwort
06.27.13
Quite a few thrash metal bands have been tagged as prog rock for some reason.

foxblood
06.27.13
this is great. only tag i'm dying for right now is new wave

DrGunther
06.27.13
Come one, who's tagged The Stooges as garage? Needs to be garage rock if/when that becomes available.

I do like the thought of kids in South London playing Raw Power out loud on their phones on the bus, but it aint gonna happen.

Hardcore (as in old school early 90s rave) / Hardcore punk might end up getting mixed the same way.

Cygnatti
06.27.13
I already suggested it, foxy. ;)

pmmets07
06.27.13
site is looking fresh as ever but i have noticed some weird genre tags already

FourthReich
06.27.13
thank you for making the sput logo click-able so fast!!

mindleviticus
06.27.13
so far this rating system is amazing

alachlahol
06.27.13
no crust punk. fuckin pissed

Havey
06.27.13
suggest it yourself DUDE

foxblood
06.27.13
i know cyg it just needs to happen ASAP



Havey
06.27.13
people need to learn the fucking difference between folk and indie folk ugh neutral milk hotel is NOT FOLK

I N D I E F O L K =/= F O L K

Relinquished
06.27.13
there's also a difference between post-metal and sludge metal but people are stupid

Cygnatti
06.27.13
Should someone add da twee pop as well?

FearThyEvil
06.27.13
Pretty pointless to have progressive rock and metal as two different genres. I don't like how bands are lumped into a bunch of the genres because a lot of the time, it's not labeled correctly.

Cygnatti
06.27.13
I'm surprised no one has suggested to divide hip-hop into like
East coast
West coast
Southern
Boom-bap
Experimental

And whatever else is there.

Cygnatti
06.27.13
Give it time, fear. And besides, the people already decided that they wanted to separate prog rock and prog metal, too late for that now.

Havey
06.27.13
regional subgenres are unnecessary, really

Cygnatti
06.27.13
I could never distinguish a lot of hip-hop genre. I just assumed other people could.

foxblood
06.27.13
mhm i suggested twee pop already

foxblood
06.27.13
goregrind, screamo, new age/word, psytrance(rather than just trance), no wave, crust punk and powerviolence would be quite nice

FearThyEvil
06.27.13
I'm not knocking the system at all. I think it's a good idea but as of right now it needs work but with all new things that's usually an issue. It's just odd to see for example, Old Man Gloom under progressive rock instead of doom metal or post-metal.

Cygnatti
06.27.13
Yeah there are quite a bit of discrepancies but they'll fix themselves over time as more people vote and as the mods start fixin more of it.

Havey
06.27.13
"goregrind, screamo, new age/word, psytrance(rather than just trance), no wave, crust punk and powerviolence would be quite nice"

agreed with these, but for psytrance you could just put psychedelic + trance and it'd be the same thing nahmean

Ignimbrite
06.27.13
Neofolk

facupm
06.27.13
my new chart sucks

Jom
06.27.13
One thing I want people to be careful of is not having 5,000 genres but only, like, 20 artists per genre. If artists can have a max of 3 genres, if we have too detailed of subgenres (either by geography or by a subgenre of a subgenre of a genre... or whatever) it's very probable that some umbrella categories (rock or pop or hip-hop) will be unpopulated because so many specific tags exist. You also have to consider what happens once we hit 200, 300, 500, etc. genres -- I don't want to see oversaturation IF (big if, obviously) it can be helped.

Jom
06.27.13
Lazy edit: THINGS CAN ALWAYS CHANGE but we can't try to do all those changes in 24 hours plz!

Owantjaaaa
06.27.13
Why is the screamo tag removed again?

greg84
06.27.13
ah hard rock and alt rock need to come back asap

FiveLeavesLeft
06.27.13
This has been great so far... also, thanks for adding "alternative" to my pie chart; a lot of my recent tastes have gravitated away from metal, so it seems more accurate

MosesMalone
06.27.13
Can crustcore pleeeeeease be a genre? For that matter, the more genres the better, I think. It's cool to be able to filter through bands and such.
I find it hilarious that half of the genres are metal.


Owantjaaaa
06.27.13
^ I'm sure we will get more punk subgenres like crust, d-beat, powerviolence, no wave
I'd also like different tags for grindCORE and deathgrind.

FearThyEvil
06.27.13
One question is why is the old chart still under ratings but the new one appears on your main profile? Is it going to stay like that or is the old one eventually going to disappear?

ShadowRemains
06.27.13
good stuff admins, site needed this

fish.
06.27.13
I think the division between umbrella genres and subgenres should be more explicit.

Havey
06.27.13
"it's very probable that some umbrella categories (rock or pop or hip-hop) will be unpopulated because so many specific tags exist."

Couldn't this be solved by using something similar to RYM's genre system? A "tree structure" where genres have sub-genres but the charts etc will handle them as proper parts of that genre. This way the parent genres won't be unpopulated because they'll contain the child genres. When you tag an artist with Dark Ambient you are tagging it with Ambient, if that makes sense.

foxblood
06.27.13
^that would be ideal

fish.
06.27.13
I like that idea

Havey
06.27.13
RYM has hundreds of genres - some as specific as "Prank Calls"... and yet the charts for the umbrella categories never get unpopulated because of this system

treeqt.
06.27.13
I like it but it definitely makes suggesting genres a bit more complicated.

feargm
06.27.13
This is awful. I'm not against a new layout, but genre voting is the worst idea that could've ever been done.

foxblood
06.27.13
i know everyone's pie charts will be fluctuating for a bit while the new tags get implemented, but i noticed that the pie can now be affected by all of the tags present on the artist, not just the first one. at least it seems that way. i have an 'alternative' slice in my pie when i don't really listen to alternative, and if you mouse over it it says bands like 'green day, nirvana, medicine', etc. none of which have alternative as a primary tag

Havey
06.27.13
yeah tertiary genres shouldn't really count towards them pies

treeqt.
06.27.13
BIG agree

RainbowCFH
06.27.13
I don't like this new genre voting system. My chart is being affected by secondary genres too, Metallica now appears in 'metal', 'rock' and 'thrash'.... is this really necessary?

Havey
06.27.13
@feargm Why is this such a bad idea? RYM has genre voting/"proposing", and last.fm too... Why not sputnik?

sixdegrees
06.27.13
because CHANGE BAD

feargm
06.27.13
A lot of people are voting for wrong genres, and I'm sure some trolls will come around and start voting, let's say, dubstep in metal bands. Disturbed and Slipknot are long gone the nu-metal genre for example, but because of the voting system it's still their primary genre. Children of Bodom was power metal a while ago as well, this is gonna cause a lot of confusion and the pie charts will often change. Metallica is no longer thrash metal either, and putting rock and hard rock in the same genre also made my chart go terrible.

MosesMalone
06.27.13
Also, slam needs a genre tag. I foresee a future in which I will be able to browse every slam band ever, thanks to Sputnik.

treeqt.
06.27.13
Well yeah, genres should be album specific more so than artist specific. But how does that concern genre voting in general?

feargm
06.27.13
I mean, don't get me wrong, I completely agree with adding more genres, specially to electronic music and such, but not genre voting. I think that should be up to the staff to approve, and not up to the community for debate.

cvlts
06.27.13
good job MX!

FearThyEvil
06.27.13
Lastly, I don't think it's a good idea to have the tag system be so open. People are putting in ridiculous genres for certain bands. I liked the idea before where if tags are chosen, mods would look at them and approve the changes. The freedom of this makes for idiotic genres being placed on bands that sound nothing like said genre.

grizz
06.27.13
loving the changes so far, can't wait to see how it looks once the changes settle.

Would also like to be able to differentiate between main genres and sub genres on genre pages, so that you can find bands that are for example, prog influenced but not actually prog. While at the same time removing bands who's sub genre don't accurately reflect that genre for example rage against the machine being tagged as hip-hop. This might be overly specific/unnecessary tho.

feargm
06.27.13
@FeatThyEvil9 Agreed.

FearThyEvil
06.27.13
I messed up on the first sentence. I meant to say not to have it so open.

feargm
06.27.13
A friend of mine got a funk chart because of Daft Punk lol.

fish.
06.27.13
" Disturbed and Slipknot are long gone the nu-metal genre for example, but because of the voting system it's still their primary genre. Children of Bodom was power metal a while ago as well,"

So what? A large portion of their discographies are those genres.

Also what fearthyevil said.

ILJ
06.27.13
yeah because you just know that people are going to make alts to tag bands as ridiculous genres.

ILJ
06.27.13
maybe you could give contributors the power to axe tags if they're highly incorrect. that way staffers don't have to shelve all that load, and contributors are generally trusted.

treeqt.
06.27.13
What does Minimal stand for? Minimalism? Minimal Techno?

MisterTornado
06.27.13
definitely missing alot of genres. also people seem to throwing around "electronic" like its nothing

Trebor.
06.27.13
OK so what are you supposed to do when a band should only have one genre tagged, and they have three, how are you supposed to get rid of the dumb other two? (see august burns red)

FearThyEvil
06.27.13
Exactly my point that mods should have to approve the genre tags added. ABR as prog metal and rock really?

ILJ
06.27.13
"What does Minimal stand for? Minimalism? Minimal Techno?"

i took to be just minimalism as a blanket term.

grizz
06.27.13
@fearthyevil I don't think that's gping to be much of an issue in a after the site settles down again cos the tags need a certain number of votes to appear and people are unlikely to mass spam a band with a totally false genre (i only see this issue ariising with hard to classify genres)

And correct me if i'm wrong but i thought the plan was only to have staff approve which genres can be added as a tag, not approve the tags themselves cos that would be a stupid idea since sputnik has a massive database and this would require staff to listen to an entire bands discog, familiarize themselves with the gene proposed (assuming they aren't already familiar with it) and then make a decision on whether it's appropriate or not

feargm
06.27.13
Only Disturbed's first album was nu-metal, I believe it should be their tertiary genre. Slipknot's last nu-metal genre was Iowa, and Children of Bodom is more death metal than power metal, really.

RainbowCFH
06.27.13
@fish. following that logic, Pantera should also be Glam Metal. What I think feargm is trying to say is, we should keep a bands genre updated to their actual sound, and not by everything they did

feargm
06.27.13
I'd say by the majority of a band's discography. Some of a band's secondary genre is in primary now.

treeqt.
06.27.13
"Only Disturbed's first album was nu-metal, I believe it should be their tertiary genre. Slipknot's last nu-metal genre was Iowa, and Children of Bodom is more death metal than power metal, really."

I suggest you vote it that way then ;)

"i took to be just minimalism as a blanket term."

I guess I'll just suggest minimalism and hope they remove minimal.


greg84
06.27.13
I thought that garage is a subgenre of electronica or something, but many users are using it in relation to garage punk. Lol, such a confusing tag.

fish.
06.27.13
Add all the relevant genres then.

fish.
06.27.13
Honestly this is an argument which could just be settled by exercising your voting powers.

demon of surveillance
06.27.13
Absolutely loving the new genre system, I personally think avant-garde needs to be added once new genres get added!

treeqt.
06.27.13
Just go suggest all the genres you want added. A couple of my suggestions have already been added (could be a coincidence though).

feargm
06.27.13
It's not like I can vote twice, is it?

sixdegrees
06.27.13
screamo

fish.
06.27.13
" It's not like I can vote twice, is it?"

Um




Yes it is



Three times actually

Cygnatti
06.27.13
Guys having mods approve of everything is way too much trouble. The voting system was to out the users in more control of what genres a band should be because before a genre edit required approval, not so much now. If you think something isn't right then vote what you think it should be. I think you guys are really overreacting. I knew that every one of the tags would affect your chart, and that's plainly why so many have their chart so radically different, I thought it was obvious.

Anyways, I just noticed that alternative has a collective of over 5000 bands... That's not right...

feargm
06.27.13
Alright, thanks fish.

treeqt.
06.27.13
Yeah those big umbrella genres get way overused. I mean tagging every single rock band 'rock' is technically right but what's the point in having fushitsusha and the arctic monkeys on one genre page.

Cygnatti
06.27.13
Electronic has over 4500 bands, but that makes more sense considering it was the only electronic tag other than other on the site until now. And tons of other bands also electronic anyways.

pizzamachine
06.27.13
Gotta get some K-pop up in this.

treeqt.
06.27.13
As much as i'd love to have separate k-pop and j-pop tags, I doubt it will happen.



Jom
06.27.13
Again, to recap: a lot of the dust needs to settle before we add/remove genres. Also, we will be able to reset and/or remove troll votes for genres (similar to how we can eliminate troll votes against your reviews), so I'm not sure why people are freaking out about that.

If we could do an RYM decision tree, that'd be lovely. Is there a way that I can look at their constellation?

Havey
06.27.13
http://rateyourmusic.com/rgenre/

spoiler: it's huge

feargm
06.27.13
Alright, since when the hell is Slayer nu-metal and industrial?

Havey
06.27.13
stop freaking out dude

nu-metal and industrial both have 1 vote, they won't be there for very long

Jom
06.27.13
Ta, Havey!

feargm
06.27.13
'k.

foxblood
06.27.13
people stop bitching about bands having the wrong genre, the whole point of this is to get the community to tag everything correctly. if a band has a wrong tag, tag it with the right one. fuck. after a few weeks everything will be fine

the only real problem i have is that umbrella genres like 'electronic' and 'alternative' are used for almost every artist yet are just as valid on the pie as the primary, correct tags. just don't allow tertiary genres to count on the pie and it's solved.

feargm
06.27.13
I have an alternative chart even though I don't listen to alternative, at all.

Havey
06.27.13
let.things.settle

feargm
06.27.13
I will, it's just funny lol.

Cygnatti
06.27.13
Hey, I doubt this was intended to happen but I see people saying that folk is in their charts because people stupidly voted opeth as folk, but opeth only has or had 1 vote for folk, and it's not even in the top three. I think I noticed this in other bands as well, but it seems like if a band has one vote in something, and it's not anywhere near top three, it'll still show up on pie charts.

Ignimbrite
06.27.13
"maybe you could give contributors the power to axe tags if they're highly incorrect. that way staffers don't have to shelve all that load, and contributors are generally trusted."

This is an excellent idea. GIVE ME POWER.

foxblood
06.27.13
yup cyg, that's why i'm saying that if pies don't take teriery genres into consideration then tags with 1 vote like that won't matter

Omaha
06.27.13
You guys saying "IT'LL ALL SETTLE" are being a bit too rigid about this-- there's comedic value to a few of these misplaced tags, and there's nothing wrong with pointing that out

foxblood
06.27.13
*tertiary

fish.
06.27.13
Dubstep already Skrillex's top genre TOLD YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN

Brostep
06.27.13
chances I start tagging things immediately? next to zero (except for tagging anamanaguchi as chiptune which no one in their right mind would argue)

chances that when I do start tagging I end up inevitably pissing off Dev? some options:
1. I label KOAN Sound as glitch hop: 98%
2. I try to tag Skrillex as anything: 95%
3. I only use the "dubstep," "drum & bass," "electronic," "chiptune," and "house" tags: probably somewhere around 65% (I'm feeling confident)

Brostep
06.27.13
Also, relatively large bug: if you try to submit a non-existing genre through the "Submit" page and then click "Submit" (not "suggest genre") the site bugs out

balazs
06.27.13
So is this whole thing going to work in a tree format? It would make sense imo

Irving
06.27.13
"2654 bands tagged"

Might I suggest that we change that to 2654 artists tagged? =S

rockandmetaljunkie
06.27.13
Why is the "Glam" tag option not available for picking ?
Is this a bug or sth ?

Cygnatti
06.27.13
There need to be at least 30 glam artists for it to show up.

zaruyache
06.27.13
Why does Deafheaven show up under the Shoegaze category when Black Metal is its first tagged genre?

climactic
06.28.13
i dont really get the point of voting on genre tags if tags with 10 votes and tags with 1 are both accepted?

treeqt.
06.28.13
because the only way to change that is vote

Trebor.
06.28.13
Only allow a chosen set of people the prog tag cuz jesus christ people be tagging everything as prog

elephantREVOLUTION
06.28.13
Only allow a chosen set of people the prog tag cuz jesus christ people be tagging everything as prog [2]

sixdegrees
06.28.13
can we just get rid of "alternative". its not even a genre and there's more accurate tags for basically everything that its tagged as.

Gwyn.
06.28.13
Pretty much all I wanted to say was already said so

But I dig it, now this place is a little better for band browsing. GJ

treeqt.
06.28.13
why is melodic black metal a thing and avant-folk isn't

Gwyn.
06.28.13
"I have an alternative chart even though I don't listen to alternative, at all."

i don't think you know the genres of around half the bands you listen to lol

kelas
06.28.13
lo-fi top albums of 2013

Aeterna Tristitia Now and Forever 5

i'm so proud :']

Deviant.
06.28.13
"chances that when I do start tagging I end up inevitably pissing off Dev? some options:
1. I label KOAN Sound as glitch hop: 98%"

See, the whole point of this is to be as accurate as possible. That's where your problem lies

Deviant.
06.28.13
"also people seem to throwing around "electronic" like its nothing"

You used to throw around "other" like it was nothing though man. At least we're getting something a bit more definable now

kelas
06.28.13
can we get slowcore up in here as well

ie low, red house painters, etc

facupm
06.28.13
some tags should be deleted

NeoSpaz
06.28.13
Thanks a lot for this MX, you've done a really good job with this, it's going to work well in the long term.

Cygnatti
06.28.13
"some tags should be deleted"

nahp.

ncguitar
06.28.13
We should be able to surf through genres, or something like that. That'd be cool.

Acanthus
06.28.13
I like it a lot, looks sleek and should work well far into the sites future.

tempest--
06.28.13
I agree with Soundoffs and News Articles being clickable, but not Band/Album Edits or Tags.

UnnamedOcean
06.28.13
Honestly, I don't really care for this system. There will be too many users either abusing it or suggesting stupid tags. Either keep the genres limited or stay with moderator approval.

tempest--
06.28.13
How is it going to be any different with users abusing the rating system?
It's just up to the community to report dumb things to the meds. Simple enough.

auberginedreams
06.28.13
please get the progressive rock and alternative tags under control because they are eating up everyones pie charts. and please add a screamo tag.

tempest--
06.28.13
OH MY GOD SHUT UP CAN YOU EVEN READ holy fuck like seriously

NeoSpaz
06.28.13
I mean, this update brings the website forwards and lets it grow more, rather than sinking into obscurity because it doesn't evolve.

someguest
06.28.13
I think it sucks. But you knew that!

ConcubinaryCode
06.28.13
Add ambient.

Aids
06.28.13
yo

I approve of the new system. my pie chart has waaaaaay too big of an ALTERNATIVE section (can't we somehow get rid of that? is it even a genre?) but that's ok bros. that's [italics]ok[/italics]

ps I am drunk BUT
pps GREAT JOB MODS, ya fukin nailed it. ya did er.

someguest
06.28.13
can't wait until we have a cure for aids

he's always lowering our quality of life

Aids
06.28.13
ok wait i have a serious question

is electronic going to remain as a genre? every artist that has that tag has another (electronic) genre attqached to their profile, so is the umbrella genre really necessary?

hmu if u agree

Aids
06.28.13
ugh someguest I thought you died

don't hmu. never hmu.

I dislike your sput-style. k?

someguest
06.28.13
why would I hit you up

seeing the hunchback of notre dame once was enough

Aids
06.28.13
you're stupid and we all hate you

/talking to someguest, forever

ok LAST POST BEFORE I PASS OUT:

we need to able to downvote. Kanye is trip-hop??? um......no?

love you all, thanks for the changes, I LOVE THEM OVERALL, gnightttttttttttttt

someguest
06.28.13
two trailer park girls go 'round me outside

both have dicks

- aids

Ovrot
06.28.13
can trve be a tag

pissbore
06.28.13
ovrot lets jam some altars bro its time for riffs

JS19
06.28.13
'Add ambient. '

It's already there silly

mx
06.28.13
Expect some changes to the genre system this weekend.

bakkermaarten007
06.28.13
Alright, I didn't follow this whole thread. But I noticed some newly added genres are already gone again, any chance of them coming back?
I mean: slowcore and screamo are essential genres mods =)

Keyblade
06.28.13
sweet

Cygnatti
06.28.13
"Expect some changes to the genre system this weekend."

ncguitar
06.28.13
Quick, run to your basement with all food you can carry! The "progressive rock" tornado is going to kill us all!

Keyblade
06.28.13
forget progressive rock, that would've been in my chart regardless...it's progressive metal spearheaded by the prog giants Isis and Neurosis that are fucking shit up right now

Havey
06.28.13
yeah but aside from tertiary (and quaternary etc...) genres counting towards our pies, things are working out very nicely :]

Keyblade
06.28.13
word, pretty sure that will be fixed this weekend too

JS19
06.28.13
Prog rock giants meshuggah and post rock behemoths Alcest and Kayo Dot are running rampant on my pie

truekebabpower
06.28.13
Sweet lord have mercy on our souls: http://www.sputnikmusic.com/genre.php?id=115

JS19
06.28.13
^ and that's why we can't have nice things sputnik

TheMoreira
06.28.13
Deathcore would be a nice tag to have around i guess.

Loving the changes, being able to browse pretty much everything by genre is awesome. It helps the reviews get more exposure and people to find bands of their tastes. Prog Rock is eating the pie charts though. And what's with the colors of the pie charts btw? Suddenly it looks like Andcas went on a rampage of coloring them.

ViperAces
06.28.13
so how did camel turn out djent?

JS19
06.28.13
Trolls

Keyblade
06.28.13
whyyyyyy

TheMoreira
06.28.13
Oh god Overkill and Kate Bush tagged as Djent, oh please people don start messing this shit up

ViperAces
06.28.13
i think its the mods actually, they added djent and suddenly everything that was tagged prog metal turned out djent

TheMoreira
06.28.13
Nah, there are only 15 or so bands tagged as Djent. And since when is Kate Bush or Overkill Prog Metal? haha

ViperAces
06.28.13
overkill was tagged thrash + prog metal, which makes sense. kate bush, along with camel, was tagged prog rock and prog metal because they came together for some reason. you can see that all the djent have that 1 initial vote that all tags started with

TheMoreira
06.28.13
Ah i see. My bad then Viper

Jom
06.28.13
>> i think its the mods actually

ACTUALLY, we didn't do anything yet. The feature hasn't been fully rolled out yet, which includes our ability to reset votes, remove tags, and edit genres. The tagging system was partially rolled out to induce people to tag, but what's been most amusing is people being like DURRRRR TAGS ARE WRONG instead of, I dunno, actually tagging artists.

Thank you, though, for demonstrating why you're perfectly at the top of the site bell curve.

Havey
06.28.13
Has the boss commented on the decision tree idea? Is it doable?

treeqt.
06.28.13
Whatever you do. pls take your time with changes.

tempest--
06.28.13
Decision tree sounds awesome. We need to remove the broad genres like "metal", "rock", "alternative", "electronic", etc.

In other words, JUST BE MORE LIKE RYM

Azn.
06.28.13
why is Enter Shikari filed under Drum n Bass

tempest--
06.28.13
wait wtf "decision tree" wow

genre tree? yeah, genre tree.

am I dead?

JS19
06.28.13
Because someone tagged that geez is that so hard to understand. this is new. it's not 100% yet. give it some time and stop whinging. I think these wrong tags are pretty funny tbh

Azn.
06.28.13
if I give you time, will you stop being stupid?

JS19
06.28.13
Ouch burn

Azn.
06.28.13
think nothing of it

In other news, are the mods eventually gonna lock the system and make sure it's correct?

Azn.
06.28.13
because if it's always going to be user-based, it'll never be useful or correct

SitarHero
06.28.13
Haha! The djent cockup is classic. Trolls or legit bug?

treeqt.
06.28.13
"because if it's always going to be user-based, it'll never be useful or correct"

like the reviews


JS19
06.28.13
'because if it's always going to be user-based, it'll never be useful or correct'

You do realise most of Sputnik is mostly user-based, maintained and created right?

Azn.
06.28.13
with staff and moderators to keep things in check
I was wondering if it'll be entirely user-moderated or, ya know, actually moderated

Havey
06.28.13
"The feature hasn't been fully rolled out yet, which includes our [the mods'] ability to reset votes, remove tags, and edit genres. The tagging system was partially rolled out to induce people to tag, but what's been most amusing is people being like DURRRRR TAGS ARE WRONG instead of, I dunno, actually tagging artists."

JS19
06.28.13
'I was wondering if it'll be entirely user-moderated or, ya know, actually moderated '

Read better

Plus who 'wonders' something by insulting other people?

Azn.
06.28.13
No, I was insulting you by insulting you

and heh not like I was gonna sift through all these comments

treeqt.
06.28.13
ok

JS19
06.28.13
It is literally 5 comments above your moaning but ok

bakkermaarten007
06.28.13
I want my slowcore and screamo back =(


ViperAces
06.28.13
"ACTUALLY, we didn't do anything yet. The feature hasn't been fully rolled out yet, which includes our ability to reset votes, remove tags, and edit genres. The tagging system was partially rolled out to induce people to tag, but what's been most amusing is people being like DURRRRR TAGS ARE WRONG instead of, I dunno, actually tagging artists.

Thank you, though, for demonstrating why you're perfectly at the top of the site bell curve."

when i said i think its the mods, i didnt say the mods try to troll us and tag camel as djent, read better. i dont know if you are aware, but most bands started with 3 tags, each with 1 vote. camel, for example, started with prog rock, rock and prog metal. idk if its a bug or the mods or whatever but that is obv not user-made. anyway, when one of the MODS approved the genre djent, some bug caused all the prog metal tags to turn to djent tags. this is what happened, no one is blaming you, i was just explaining the situation

rien333
06.28.13
Where did slowcore go?

Cygnatti
06.28.13
Will you stop with that.

Azazzel
06.28.13
Great job, love the "browse genres" feature

minimesmyidol
06.28.13
weird classifications... altar of plagues = progressive rock and dir en grey = alternative? also for multiple genres i think every band should be classified as only 1 genre to keep the pie charts more tame.
other than that its pretty sweet.

Havey
06.28.13
yes those are weird classifications and it's up to YOU to fix them

sideburndude
06.28.13
The only tag I think we are really missing is free/avant jazz.

treeqt.
06.28.13
and about a hundred more

JamieTwort
06.28.13
"The only tag I think we are really missing is free/avant jazz."

If we're gonna have free or avant jazz (or any other jazz subgenre) they need to bring back jazz fusion.

Spec
06.28.13
I love it. I think progressive rock should just be progressive though.

sideburndude
06.28.13
Oh ya, fusion would be good too

Spec
06.28.13
Actually never mind. Didn't realize there was a progressive metal tag too.

Carry on.

JamieTwort
06.28.13
Why have 3 people tagged AC/DC as blues. I mean I know there is a blues influence in their sound but it seems quite a stretch to tag them as blues.

sideburndude
06.28.13
yeah, I guess we will have to deal with some bad tagging for now

Havey
06.28.13
i'm confident that they will bring back both free jazz and jazz fusion (and hopefully add avant as well)

metal has 10+ subgenres available right now (probably more to come), ofc jazz and other major styles will get their share of tags too

Spec
06.28.13
Like how someone tagged Counterparts as 'Ambient.'

Spec
06.28.13
Agreed Havey. As long as Classic Punk never comes back i'll be happy.

JamieTwort
06.28.13
I hope all of these incorrect tags get sorted. I know they said it's up to us to correct them but it's annoying we can't remove the incorrect/questionable tags once they've been voted for.

Owantjaaaa
06.28.13
Muh punk subgenres

Havey
06.28.13
They also said

"The feature hasn't been fully rolled out yet, which includes our[the mods'] ability to reset votes, remove tags, and edit genres."

Havey
06.28.13
@jamie

JamieTwort
06.28.13
Oh right, didn't see that.

MisterTornado
06.28.13
It should be set up like RYM in that we should be able to vote against genres, and if more people vote against a particular genre than for it, then it won't show up on the artist page. Simple as that.

EyesWideShut
06.28.13
probably should cut alot of the genres to avoid trolls from labeling Slayer progressive southern metal.

but if this works and it could help a user dive into a new sub genre it should be awesome..

Would it be possible to have a featured user list appear when we click a certain genre. kinda like a guide line?

minimesmyidol
06.28.13
idk id hate for sputnik to become like lastfm with 100s of made up genres. seriously, 5 subgenres tops.

bowlofsoup
06.28.13
Kendrick Lamar currently has a tech death tag.

foxblood
06.28.13
'Would it be possible to have a featured user list appear when we click a certain genre. kinda like a guide line?'

whoa that's a good idea

bowlofsoup
06.28.13
Also, tech death has a genre tag, but it can't be used as a tag for some reason.

MisterTornado
06.28.13
'Would it be possible to have a featured user list appear when we click a certain genre. kinda like a guide line?'

whoa that's a good idea [2]

DrMaximus
06.28.13
'Would it be possible to have a featured user list appear when we click a certain genre. kinda like a guide line?'

whoa that's a good idea [3]

TheMoreira
06.28.13
'Would it be possible to have a featured user list appear when we click a certain genre. kinda like a guide line?'

Nice idea.

ViperAces
06.28.13
'Would it be possible to have a featured user list appear when we click a certain genre. kinda like a guide line?'

whoa that's a good idea [4]

Havey
06.28.13
I think they get the point

treeqt.
06.28.13
Whoa idea good is a that

someguest
06.28.13
"Kendrick Lamar currently has a tech death tag."

lmao

DrMaximus
06.28.13
Do they, Havey?

methylorange42
06.28.13
the djent tag is funny, because everything is djent now (like sepultura. wtf), except some bands that actually describe themselves as djent.

TheMoreira
06.28.13
On another note, Progressive Metal/Rock being called simply Progressive isn't too bad either. Then again, if the Prog Rock tag epidemic get under control soon enough, differentiating these two subgenres is cool with me too.

fish.
06.28.13
Problem with some bands is they can only really be described as one genre, so all it takes is one idiot to get something like tech death on Kendrick Lamar.

I think having that percentage rule, whereby a tag needs a certain percentage of the overall votes to appear.

I also think the votes for each tag should be hidden, to help prevent people just voting for the same silly tags other people have.

fish.
06.28.13
*think we should have

Cygnatti
06.28.13
"I also think the votes for each tag should be hidden, to help prevent people just voting for the same silly tags other people have."

don't agree with this. on rym they ain't hidden at all, it in fact lists who voted for what tag and if they voted for or against.

TheMoreira
06.28.13
Well said fish.!

zaruyache
06.28.13
did the "popular albums" list also disappear?

zaruyache
06.28.13
I mean for each genre, not just the "highest rated" for each category.

ViperAces
06.28.13
maybe the mods should approve every NEW tag?

Cygnatti
06.28.13
"did the "popular albums" list also disappear?"

The main one is still here, but it doesn't seem like the individual genres have them anymore. I hope they do add them again, because "trending/popular albums" = / = "top rated albums"

facupm
06.28.13
delete tags

MunsuLight
06.28.13
I'm with facupm on this.. Like suggesting the deletion of "bad" tags

nbaronz
06.28.13
Perhaps more prominently tagged genres should be prioritized/weighted in terms of how ratings are reflected in user taste pi charts. For example:

Radiohead
Alternative (10 votes): Rank 1 priority (would especially influence the 'Alternative' taste)
Electronic (8 votes): Rank 2 priority (would moderately influence the 'Electronic' taste)
Rock (7 votes): Rank 3 priority (would slightly influence the 'Rock' taste)
Progressive Rock (2 votes): (Not weighted/no influence)
Crabcore (1 vote): (Not weighted/no influence)

I think a system like this would do a lot to reduce inaccuracy in taste charts. It's kinda silly that progressive rock is suddenly one of my top genres just because one person tagged Radiohead and The Beatles(!) etc. as prog.

TheMoreira
06.28.13
Exactly nbaronz

ViperAces
06.28.13
both the beatles and radiohead are prog so that seems right

GuanoBumbershoot
06.29.13
djent needs to go, or most metalcore bands need to be labeled jun

sideburndude
06.29.13
oh damn I don't think there are any jazz tags except for just 'jazz'
that really needs to be fixed

Cygnatti
06.29.13
yeah, sputnik's rock/metal bias is really showing, though it's also nice to see the countless electronic genres I know nothing about being added as well.

feargm
06.29.13
Today I learned Johann Sebastian Bach is black metal.

sideburndude
06.29.13
But I am glad to see shoegaze and drone as a tag, but damn we have numerous subgenres of metal and only one for jazz which is an expansive genre. Would it hurt for at least fusion, free, or post-bop to be added?

Havey
06.29.13
shut the fuck up

Havey
06.29.13
@feargm

feargm
06.29.13
It's just a joke because of the wrong tagged genre, damn.

Voivod
06.29.13
I just noticed that when I'm browsing a review, the genre of the band does not show anywhere on the page, like it used to.

Maybe this needs fixing somehow.

xenocide.
06.29.13
most lacking tags:
blackgaze
crust
screamo
hard rock

TMobotron
06.29.13
@voivod where did it used to be?

xenocide.
06.29.13
I second fish. on a percentage rule suggestion. Tags with less than 10% of the overall votes should not appear. Sometimes only one or two tags are fitting,

Voivod
06.29.13
@TMobotron

When I was reading a review for a metal band in the old format of the site, the tag "METAL" was highlighted.

The same applied for Indie, Rock etc.

Now the main tags (in red) in the front page are different and unless someone already knows the band, he/she has to read the review in order to tell what genre the band files under.

xenocide.
06.29.13
or click on the band name

JamieTwort
06.29.13
Anyone know if 7 genres is gonna be the maximum amount of slices in our pie charts? I know quite a few people were specifically asking for more genres to show up on their profiles so I was expecting to see more than just the 1 additional slice.

Havey
06.29.13
"most lacking tags:
blackgaze"

Surely you must be joking?



elbaliem
06.29.13
when i put the mouse over the indie rock part in my pie chart,it doesn't show any band's name.just indie rock

clercqie
06.29.13
"I thought that garage is a subgenre of electronica or something, but many users are using it in relation to garage punk. Lol, such a confusing tag."
Change it to UK Garage: problem solved

Deviant.
06.29.13
There's really nothing confusing about the tag at all

Shuyin
06.29.13
took too long but its cool

lets try to stay away from the useless tags, i mean.. last.fm is a total joke

Deviant.
06.29.13
As is the majority of RYM. I'm all for better integration and such, but a lot of you guys need to be realistic here. For instance; "blackgaze", really? We're not in the trendy blogtag business. If a band or artist you listen to implements both black metal and shoegaze, then surely you would just tag the band/artist as such, right? Like, when you add 1 + 1 and get 2. I don't know, my maths is a little bit rusty these days...

Havey
06.29.13
With stuff like Lolita Pop, Complextro, Jerk Rap etc, RYM ends up looking like an unprofessional piece of shit (more times than not). Which is unfortunate because their genre system is otherwise very well thought out

GiaNXGX
06.29.13
nah, maybe unprofessional but piece of shit never

the sole purpose of rym's genre directory is to track down all forms of musical expression, categorizing them according to their era and/or cultural paradigms. with stuff like cyberpunk you'll regardless end up having bullshit like anime-sonic tags, determining whether to add them or not is nevertheless a hard decision & for sharifi to do so he/mods need a substantial prove for the availability and existence of this 'music.'

>avant garde tag & ill stop flooding your boards with spectralism and cajun

GiaNXGX
06.29.13
blackgaze lollll

may as well ask for east coast & west coast

Lambda
06.29.13
Bands can have more than three genres, right? If not, they should be able too.

GiaNXGX
06.29.13
why?

JamieTwort
06.29.13
That would just leave more room for incorrect tags.

treeqt.
06.29.13
assigning genres to albums would be much more practical, just wanna repeat that real quick

GiaNXGX
06.29.13
........

treeqt.
06.29.13
!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cygnatti
06.29.13
It's true. But that can be difficult to do.

Lambda
06.29.13
Because there are tons of bands that should be represented by more than three genres.

fish.
06.29.13
Not really. And as JT said, it just leaves more room for stupid tags.

Oh and the garage tag /is/ confusing, especially for those who don't know of the other genre. At first I assumed it was for UK Garage but then became unsure and had to check.

methylorange42
06.29.13
Is it normal that I cannot vote for the new genre-tags, only old ones?

ViperAces
06.29.13
dev keep in fact that 99.9% of people dont listen to electornica, so that tag is confusing.

Havey
06.29.13
"dev keep in fact that 99.9% of people dont listen to electornica"

Well it's evident that you're one of them

Brostep
06.29.13
I know this is beating a dead horse but who the fuck labeled The Wonder Years as drum & bass

foxblood
06.29.13
every time i try to suggest twee pop as a tag i get an error message js

Relinquished
06.29.13
shouldn't you be making music instead of tagging things twee pop??

foxblood
06.29.13
uhm yes probably

Deviant.
06.29.13
">avant garde tag & ill stop flooding your boards with spectralism and cajun"

Or I'll just ban you for suggesting those tags. Thanks for telling me!

Cygnatti
06.29.13
"Is it normal that I cannot vote for the new genre-tags, only old ones?"

yeah, they're not implemented yet. well, not the newly suggested ones, anyways.

GiaNXGX
06.30.13
life isn't fair for avant-teens

Hep Kat
06.30.13
The new Dillinger Escape Plan is featured on the jazz page, I dunno exactly why. I haven't read this thread completely so apologies if this has something to do with something that's already been mentioned.

Also, on the genre pages, I think it might make sense to have it say "xx artists tagged" instead of "xx bands tagged." Just a little nitpick.

Relinquished
06.30.13
i thought you were doing drugs hep how can you even care about that

TMobotron
06.30.13
"Also, on the genre pages, I think it might make sense to have it say "xx artists tagged" instead of "xx bands tagged." Just a little nitpick."

It also says "How would you describe this band?" when you hit Tag on a band page. I like artists more as well.

Keyblade
06.30.13
it's always been like that on here though. "Submit a Band" for example

TMobotron
06.30.13
Yeah IDK I would disagree with that too I guess, but it seems less direct and therefore less problematic than when it's on a specific artist's page, like if you're adding a tag to Burial it says "How would you describe this band?" which is clearly the wrong term.

Deviant.
06.30.13
Just a quick update: mods are now able to remove tags from the artist pages. Obviously, the voting will effectively round out the majority of the tagging issues, but for any thing that might be grossly inappropriate (Jack White labelled as djent which shouldn't even be in the "list" of tags for the artist) then like every other issue, post it in the meds thread (with a link!) and it will be cleared

Also we can see who is nominating the tags, and two users have already be banned for actions that can only be described as lacking in humour. If you want additions like this to the site, don't abuse them

UnnamedOcean
06.30.13
I really think the genres should be limited. Keep it clean and simple, just go with general tags, nothing too obscure.

Cygnatti
06.30.13
none of the ones so far are very obscure except maybe new age, but everyone's heard of new age anyways.

UnnamedOcean
06.30.13
Ah okay, looks like only approved tags will show up. I'm content.

Pestiferous
06.30.13
we need an art rock tag yo

treeqt.
06.30.13
avant garde, more jazz subgenres, give back noise and finally add screamo and I'd be happy

treeqt.
06.30.13
I'm already kinda happy about the system though!

Pestiferous
07.01.13
we need groooooooooooove metal too

SitarHero
07.01.13
Fusion needs to be a genre. STAT!

dimsim3478
07.01.13
Actually surprised that screamo isn't on here.

MuhNamesTyler
07.01.13
Is approving band edits taking a backseat cause of the new genre tagging system??

Lowder91bird
07.05.13
You have Folk Punk but no Folk Metal.

Lambda
07.05.13
What happened to Noise? That should be a genre.

MuhNamesTyler
07.05.13
Is approving band edits taking a backseat cause of the new genre tagging system?? [2]

diatonix
07.08.13
not sure if anyone said this or will read this, but i liked how i could click on a genre before and get the trending albums, now i get trending albums on the frontpage but not for each genre, so when i go into a genre i get top albums for the YEAR but not at the moment

Cygnatti
07.08.13
yeah, I liked that feature too.

Donchivo
07.15.13
not sure if anyone said this or will read this, but i liked how i could click on a genre before and get the trending albums, now i get trending albums on the frontpage but not for each genre, so when i go into a genre i get top albums for the YEAR but not at the moment [2]

just this!

jackboblamont
08.20.13
Still lacking some big distinct ones: Rockabilly, Psychobilly, Surf and pretty much no international genres.

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