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As promised, we want to whet your collective appetite for what the site’s tagging system and band pages will potentially look like (as you know, things are subject to change, but as of now, the owner’s on pace to start rolling this out sometime in Q3!).

Click the images to enlarge.

There is a high probability that the band pages will be re-designed, but this won’t take place until the tagging system is implemented since this will be a unique (and much-welcomed) upgrade to the site.

To give it to you hard and fast (that’s what she said), I’ll briefly (emphasis on briefly) walk you through what the tagging process will look like once it’s implemented.

I was going to use Opeth as an example, but I’m so sick of people trying to change their genres to Folk / Black Metal / Power Metal, so I’ll use another Sputnik darling instead.

1. First things first: here’s what the tagging system will look like (friendly reminder: click the images to enlarge them):

You’ll note that the red tags are basically what the site currently lists as the “Primary / Secondary / Tertiary” genres.

Once the tagging system is implemented, there will be a flurry of activity to get artists the most accurate genre listings. This will be awesome.

Because of basic statistics principles, we’re not worried about bands being mislabeled, because the community as a whole will ensure accuracy over the random outliers who insist that Mastodon is Pop Rock.

There are also other safeguards in place to prevent against tag abuse (note: it won’t be as extreme as the “You can’t rate a 4.4+ album a ‘1′” algorithm, but it follows “the spirit” of that rule, in a way) so no worries.

2. Custom tags will be allowed… but within reason.

The owner did not differentiate between “progressive metal” and “progressive rock” in his genre pool, but if you guys want to propose these changes, we have the luxury of allowing tags.

Unfortunately (at least, at this time), you can’t tag bands with things like “Wishlist” or “Favorite bands” or “Bands I want to do lines with” or “Band is teh ghey, LOL ANAL RAPE UR FACE” because these are not necessarily helpful to everybody.

When you click on the black “tag” button, you will see this:

3. As mentioned previously, the top 3 genre tags will be displayed on the main page.

This “genres pool” is in a drop-down list that looks like this:

4. Once we approve tags (e.g. IDM isn’t listed in the pool of genres, but we’d be happy to add it if it’s popular enough), they will be added to the pool.

This looks like this:

5. YOUR EYES DO NOT DECEIVE YOU. DOOM METAL IS OFFICIALLY A GENRE ON THE SITE NOW.

Trust me, we’ve all been clamoring for it for, what, eight years now?

And now you can tag Sunn O))) as drone now! Hopefully you move faster than 20bpm when it comes to your celebrations.

FAQ:

Q1. When is this getting rolled out?

A1: I have no idea, but it won’t be implemented until the owner’s at least 90% satisfied.

Q2: How many “new” genres (e.g. HOLY SHIT DOOM METAL AND SHOEGAZE ARE ON THERE) are in the genre pool?

A2: Not sure yet, as the pool is still being updated as we continue to explore genres to add. If you have any suggestions for us (e.g. sludge metal, stoner rock, etc.), let us know! Remember that you can propose genres via the tagging system — they just need to be approved first (sorry, people who want to tag Adele under “Chicks I’d Love to Bone”).

Keep it in your pants, Sputnik user Steve Buscemi!

Q3a: Is [this genre] in the pool?!?!?!?

A3: Well, I suppose that’d be the fastest way to find out if it is or not.

Q3b: What about the pie charts?!

A3b: “Haven’t decided yet on pie charts, top rated album charts, new releases, or the other big ticket items. Tough decisions.” -The Boss (not Springsteen)

Q4: Are the band pages being remodeled?

A4: Yes, but this won’t happen until the other items on the owner’s to-do list are addressed.

Q5: What other projects is he working on, exactly?

A5: The New Releases, News, and genre pages will be revamped, as well as the always-on-the-list “Fix Bugs” item will be considered.

Speaking of genre pages, here’s a mock-up of what they’d look like:

By a basis of comparison, here’s what the Doom Metal page looks like:

sadtrombone.com -- BUT LOOK AT DEM NEW TABZ

Anyway, I didn’t plan on writing a very thorough overview, but I wanted to give you all a heads-up that this might show up this month/July/August, and not 2016.

If you have any questions, we’d be happy to answer them. You might need to give me a few hours, though… I have some festivities on the docket that require my undivided attention!





Jom
06.19.13
In case you missed it: doom metal is officially a genre now. Date this system will be implemented: sometime in Q3, if not by the end of this month!

Other "new" genres off the top of my head that have been accepted to date: ambient, Americana, folk punk, bluegrass, dream pop, drone metal, grime, minimal, dubstep, post-metal. I'm probably missing others, so rest your weary hearts if you don't see something.

Or, you know, in case he misses it, you can always propose it. Holla!

sixdegrees
06.19.13
this is really cool

I hope the pie charts stay tho

Jom
06.19.13
I'm confident that they will, they're just going to be overhauled a bit (AKA he needs to get more colors for the new genres). He showed us several mock-ups, but he hasn't decided where he wants to go with it quite yet.

robertsona
06.19.13
i loveu jom

Atari
06.19.13
sweetness

sixdegrees
06.19.13
sweet, glad to hear it.

Cygnatti
06.19.13
omgomgomgomogmogmomgo

Relinquished
06.19.13
"YOUR EYES DO NOT DECEIVE YOU. DOOM METAL IS OFFICIALLY A GENRE ON THE SITE NOW."

fucking finally mx i love you

Deviant.
06.19.13
"I was going to use Opeth as an example, but I’m so sick of people trying to change their genres to Folk / Black Metal / Power Metal, so I’ll use another Sputnik darling instead."

I'm digging the recent trend of "symphonic black metal band" = classical

Trebor.
06.19.13
sweet

Cygnatti
06.19.13
"I'm digging the recent trend of "symphonic black metal band" = classical"

lmfao

NeroCorleone80
06.19.13
About time doom was a tag

Cygnatti
06.19.13
I don't even know what doom is. don't really care atm.

cinaedus
06.19.13
awesome, huge improvement. finally i'll be able to tag my own music with both post-rock and synthpop!

Trebor.
06.19.13
screamo

cinaedus
06.19.13
thank you based jom

thumbcrusher
06.19.13
looks cooool

treeqt.
06.19.13
fucking a

Hyperion1001
06.19.13
cool

Bab
06.19.13
Awesome

ILJ
06.19.13
your picture names are glorious

this whole thing is glorious. been wondering lately when something about this was going to happen actually. pretty pumped

Cygnatti
06.20.13
What Trebor said.

Now, things like skramz doesn't have be emo + hardcore or vice versa.
And post metal doesn't have to be metal + post rock.
And now alt/indie will be divided into numerous genres like slowcore, shoegaze, twee or what have you.

Trebor.
06.20.13
People are probably gonna add stupid shit like "mainstream hip-hop" and "indie hip-hop" or whatever but fuck yeah

geasoftime
06.20.13
This is a major improvement. Awesome.

Cygnatti
06.20.13
Well I'm no good at hip hop genres but what would you put for something that is hip hop with clear indie tendencies?

geasoftime
06.20.13
Hopefully IDM, Ambient, Glitch, Blackgaze, Melodeath, Funeral Doom have all been included

geasoftime
06.20.13
Cyg, Sage Francis

Hep Kat
06.20.13
bluegrass was a genre I really wanted, sweet.

other genre suggestions or whatever: rockabilly, psychobilly, crossover [thrash], powerviolence, surf rock/punk, gangsta rap, beatdown

Cygnatti
06.20.13
Honestly, I would have much preferred that individual albums have their own genres rather than artists. Especially when you have artists like David Bowie who changes sound so often.

But then that would require a complete overhaul I the system. Which may be a lot more trouble than its worth...

SeaAnemone
06.20.13
could we have images back in threads, please?

MJ gone - our nigga dead

Voivod
06.20.13
Everything looks awesome.

Also, doom metal tag at last...

Deviant.
06.20.13
"People are probably gonna add stupid shit like "mainstream hip-hop" and "indie hip-hop" or whatever but fuck yeah"

"Remember that you can propose genres via the tagging system — they just need to be approved first"


treeqt.
06.20.13
"could we have images back in threads, please?"


i wanna spam the kyary review with my kyary folder so bad you don't even know

Deviant.
06.20.13
And that answered that question

mindleviticus
06.20.13
This is an awesome plan

treeqt.
06.20.13
"And that answered that question"

FUCK :(

porch
06.20.13
yeah nice job instantly undermining the proposal. looks cool, will be good to classify things like dub and bossa nova finally

treeqt.
06.20.13
like spamming pictures of kyary is a bad thing :?

porch
06.20.13
time to take a long hard look at your jap fetish and its detrimental influence on sputnik

Chortles
06.20.13
sweet

Brostep
06.20.13
so we'll finally have better electronic tagging? sweet!

also i have two featured reviews under the "pop punk" mockup yay

treeqt.
06.20.13
"time to take a long hard look at your jap fetish and its detrimental influence on sputnik"

s-sorry i g-guess (╯︵╰,)

foxblood
06.20.13
yes ambient as a genre FINALLY

foxblood
06.20.13
is there a way we can allow only kyary related images in threads

demigod!
06.20.13
god i hope not

Insurrection
06.20.13
looks awesome

DaveyBoy
06.20.13
Is "Doom Metal" the clanging sound that comes out of the 'Doom' video-game?

"“Band is teh ghey, LOL ANAL RAPE UR FACE” because these are not necessarily helpful to everybody."

The word "necessarily" made me laugh out loud.

foxblood
06.20.13
wait shoegaze as a tag OMGGG!! but really, this will be so nice since i add a lot to the database. and i can have gaze in my pie

Cygnatti
06.20.13
can I have some gaze, foxy?

Acanthus
06.20.13
Looking forward to the changes, especially some of the electronic ones, however annoying it may be to have Brostep label things (I'm only partially kidding).

Overall though this will be badass, and pie charts will be a lot more effective.

treeqt.
06.20.13
wait. that means other will disappear from the pie charts right?

Cygnatti
06.20.13
other can cover everything that isn't already out there, though it will cover much less bands than before.

which is good, I suppose because other looks ugly on my pie chart.

Omaha
06.20.13
Laughed so hard at the doom metal picture

BallsToTheWall
06.20.13
rockabilly, psychobilly, (2) Yeah this is fucking cool

BallsToTheWall
06.20.13
needs moar Krautrock though

Jom
06.20.13
Before the overhaul gets implemented, we'll be asking you guys for a list of genres (in a more concrete post than "Hey, here's what it might look like, tell us what to put in the drop-down box!"). On the other hand, we might just see what some of the proposed genres are. I understand things like psychobilly and screamo and that sort of thing, but I don't want to see a whole lot of proposed tags where there's only one shitty band in it (e.g. if I see "crabcore" I'm going to flip at least two shits)... yes, we're striving for accuracy, but maybe NOT to that degree yet. We'll see.

I'm glad you guys are looking forward to getting started. I think it'll be successful once he gets it rolling.

foxblood
06.20.13
maybe you could require entirely new genre tags (say, rockabilly) to be approved by a moderator first, and then everyone could be free to use that tag as they please?

Jom
06.20.13
Well, yes, that's what's going to happen. My point was that if people did the whole [2], [3], [4], [5], [6] thing, it would legitimize the genre being valid (e.g. skramz is apparently a thing and not just a tangential word associated with some sort of emo/hardcore hybrid).

My question is whether or not, if a tag gets approved, it shows up in the overall pool, or shows up for just that artist only. I hope it's the former, but we never know how it's going to be coded until we see it in action first.

Deviant.
06.20.13
"Looking forward to the changes, especially some of the electronic ones, however annoying it may be to have Brostep label things (I'm only partially kidding). "

Laughed hard enough to get chocolate milk come out of my nose. Which is odd, because I haven't had any chocolate milk in a few months

tombits
06.20.13
yeah this'll be awesome, looking forward to it Jom.

immortalizepain
06.20.13
Awesome update! Looking forward to this.

twlichty
06.20.13
wow this will be an awesome update, i always felt that the genre tagging on sputnik was a little off

Havey
06.20.13
Sweet stuff. My (extremely elite) pie chart slice of "Other" will be missed, though

Deviant.
06.20.13
First new change - get rid of other. 90% of everything in the db listed as such should be under electronica

tommygun
06.20.13
swee this looks really cool way to go fellas

GnarlyShillelagh
06.20.13
"awful"/"shit" should be a genre tag bc there are thousands of bands that would be perfect for those categories

a lot of which I'm sure most of sputnik would 1000% agree on

Cygnatti
06.20.13
nah

Jom
06.20.13
>> "awful"/"shit" should be a genre tag bc there are thousands of bands that would be perfect for those categories

No, no, you're confusing that with User Tagging, which is completely different.

Emyay
06.20.13
i'm pumped

Sanders
06.20.13
Big fan of your captions Mr Jom

alachlahol
06.20.13
where are we gonna propose all these genres, here or forums??

Havey
06.20.13
^well there's a 'suggest tag' button shown here
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2ivegot20tagsinmypocket.jpg

Brostep
06.20.13
Might want to get that checked out Dev

Brostep
06.20.13
And don't worry Acanthus, I won't label every new house release as "OMGZ MOOMBAHCORE," I've moved partially past that.

MisterTornado
06.21.13
oh wow. this needed to happen.

MisterTornado
06.21.13
INTRODUCING: VAPORWAVE™ TO SPUTNIKMUSIC

Captain North
06.21.13
Sludge and post metal are practically the same thing

bloc
06.21.13
Holy shit this is exciting.

But is there any news on whether the userbase will be allowed to rate in 0.1 increments yet? I would really like that feature.

jefflebowski
06.21.13
there's a block in place to prevent you giving high rated albums a 1?!

that is by far the most retarded thing in the history of life

Aids
06.21.13
haven't read through the thread yet so some of this might be redundant, but:

-awesome stuff man, thanks for following through with this
-I'm going to suggest some electronic genres that will definitely be added right away so you might as well run them by mx now: IDM, Garage, House, Deep House, Tech House, Techno, Drum and Bass, Minimal Techno, Breakbeat, Electro, Downtempo, Trance, Progressive House, Glitch.

Ignimbrite
06.21.13
GUYS WILL DJENT BE A GENRE NOW

fish.
06.22.13
this is gonna start a war when the system gets fucked last.fm style

well hopefully we're clever enough to avoid it

otherwise seems cool

Aids
06.22.13
I'm hoping there will be something in place where we can vote against ridiculous non-genres. There are enough knuckle-draggers around that I'm guessing some shit like "post-dubstep" will get through unless the mods guard against stuff like that.

fish.
06.22.13
I'm just wondering what's gonna happen when Skrillex gets labelled as "dubstep"

Ignimbrite
06.22.13
need brostep tag

fish.
06.22.13
even worse

Cygnatti
06.22.13
I just hope we don't end with an emo-pop tag because goddamn that tag shouldn't even exist. It was only created to make stupid people feel better about getting the emo genre completely screwed over.

wacknizzle
06.22.13
awesome

sniper
06.22.13
good news!

Captain North
06.22.13
Aids - he said genres need permission to be verified. So the mods will catch that stuff

Deviant.
06.22.13
"I'm just wondering what's gonna happen when Skrillex gets labelled as "dubstep""

Perma bans and worse

bloc
06.22.13
+1 for futurepop

Bab
06.22.13
^agreed

futurepop ftw

Irving
06.22.13
Post is shit lol butts.

...

But seriously you guys this is amazing.



tempest--
06.22.13
Actually, having a djent tag could be quite useful.

Brostep
06.22.13
gonna name everybody EDM and watch Dev cry

In all seriousness, though, I don't know if I'm getting more experienced or more cynical but I've started to view "EDM" as more and more of a marketing tool and less as a force for creative good. I don't really know what's changed, but it just feels like seeing what's popular on the Beatport charts every week (most of which is the same song over and over again) hasn't helped

greg84
06.23.13
I still don't know what this EDM is, and I'm happy about that.

I actually suggested djent, but I guess nobody has taken it seriously (including myself).

clercqie
06.23.13
"-I'm going to suggest some electronic genres that will definitely be added right away so you might as well run them by mx now: IDM, Garage, House, Deep House, Tech House, Techno, Drum and Bass, Minimal Techno, Breakbeat, Electro, Downtempo, Trance, Progressive House, Glitch."

Tbh, all the distinctions between tech house, minimal house, deep house... Where does it end? Just keep it with "House" and let that be the end of it. Ditto for techno. Glitch and IDM are mostly the same thing as well. I'd suggest to keep it as simple as possible.

clercqie
06.23.13
Also just call everything EDM "dance".

JumpTheF**kUp
06.23.13
skramz tag plz

Cygnatti
06.23.13
I don't know about how specific we should make the tags, relative to other similar ones. rym tries to distinguish between every little thing they do: art pop, art rock, art punk, psychedlic pop, psychedlic rock, experimental rock, experimental (electronic, or something?).

Jom earlier mentioned that some users wanted to have different tags between prog rock or just prog vs. prog metal, I personally agree with that idea because I think the styles are distinct enough.

Deviant.
06.23.13
"In all seriousness, though, I don't know if I'm getting more experienced or more cynical but I've started to view "EDM" as more and more of a marketing tool and less as a force for creative good. "

You're literally about 4 months behind every comment I've made in one of your lists and reviews

"Tbh, all the distinctions between tech house, minimal house, deep house... Where does it end? Just keep it with "House" and let that be the end of it. Ditto for techno. Glitch and IDM are mostly the same thing as well. I'd suggest to keep it as simple as possible."

Agree with this a lot. It will be great for more a more focused and comprehensive database but how far does it really need to be pushed? Tech House? Techno, House - sorted

"Also just call everything EDM "dance". "

Disagree with this completely though. Dance is not a genre

fish.
06.23.13
How about fusion genres? Like electro house, dubstep, metalcore? Only include the significant ones?

tommygun
06.23.13
fishcore

clercqie
06.23.13
"Disagree with this completely though. Dance is not a genre"
But I'd rather refer to something like avicii or guetta as just "dance" than EDM. Of course, pop + house could also work, but the purist in me would rather see that not happen (hypocrite!! :-) )

olivianigma
06.23.13
this needed to happen so badly

Keyblade
06.23.13
fucking awesome. finally ambient and doom metal would see the light of day

would the changes affect pie charts? because they should and that would rule

fish.
06.23.13
I'm getting the impression pie charts might disappear completely

ViperAces
06.23.13
but metalcore is already a genre

Keyblade
06.23.13
that would suck, nice little feature

Cygnatti
06.23.13
But I like my pie chart D:

It reminds me that alt/indie needs go away but doesn't seem like it will ever!

Deviant.
06.23.13
"But I'd rather refer to something like avicii or guetta as just "dance" than EDM. Of course, pop + house could also work, but the purist in me would rather see that not happen (hypocrite!! :-) )"

Yeah I get this (and agree) but it would be no different than having both Burial and Excision listed as dubstep

Brostep
06.23.13
I mean couldn't you just tag Burial as "garage" as well and be done with it?

Deviant.
06.23.13
No, because they're separate genres and he alternates between both

Brostep
06.23.13
I know, but under this system I thought we could tag him as both, no?

Deviant.
06.23.13
Yes, but he'd still have the dubstep tag. Which wouldn't be a problem; I was just making a comparison between wholly separate artists who would still be labelled together

balazs
06.23.13
Yeah, this will be nice!!

Brostep
06.23.13
Fair point

xenocide.
06.23.13
"Sludge and post metal are practically the same thing."

No, they aren't. Take Eyehategod and Rosetta into consideration.

tommygun
06.23.13
please tell me we get to keep 'other' that's me fave one

Cygnatti
06.23.13
Nope. Others gonna get murdered hard.

tommygun
06.23.13
< / 3

rien333
06.23.13
I always felt like such a cool outsider when listening to other music :(

Calc
06.23.13
the names of the pictures are hilarious

rien333
06.23.13
I can already imagine the genre tag discussions

Adabelle
06.23.13
Awesome, I like the ideas. But I don't agree on a 'skramz' tag, that's dumb.

Would there be a weighting for adding the genre tags or would it just be done on the number of people who selected the tag?

Keyblade
06.23.13
fuckin lol @ the doom metal picture

also I noticed that there's drone metal but no drone. drone metal sucks and drone rules ergo ya run goofed

Aids
06.23.13
really hope they don't axe the pie charts but it looks like they will. can a mod speak to this?

Adabelle
06.23.13
Really hope they don't axe the pie charts [2]

One of my favourite features of the site!

Butkuiss
06.24.13
+1 for Post-Ironic Beardcore.

Brostep
06.24.13
+2 for Post-Ironic Beardcore.

Ignimbrite
06.24.13
A neofolk tag would be wonderful.

Keyblade
06.24.13
agreed

Jom
06.24.13
>> really hope they don't axe the pie charts but it looks like they will. can a mod speak to this?

We don't know yet. There's a couple options (they'll remain the same, just be updated with the genres; they'll be pulled temporarily until he can renovate them; they'll disappear completely) but my guess is that it's going to be either 1) or 2) and extremely unlikely that it'd be 3).

The honest answer is that we don't know yet.

ViperAces
06.24.13
you should allow 8 or 9 genres in pie charts instead of 6
and btw why does the avis dont show up on lists?

Jom
06.24.13
I don't code the site, so I can't do anything about any of that.

ViperAces
06.24.13
not complaining, just suggesting

PuddlesPuddles
08.20.13
hey remember back when I suggested genre tags for searching and labeling purposes and everyone sodomized me? Yeah

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