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It’s with a heavy heart and jazz hands that we bid farewell today to two of our longest-serving staff members.

Channing Freeman and Nick Greer have given a lot to the site in their time here – Nick being one of the few to remain from the site’s launch – and we thank them for everything. They’ll still be back from time to time to contribute reviews and blogs, but for all intents and purposes they can now be considered Professors Emeritus of Sputnik Univ… sorry, that’s way too cheesy. They gone, basically.

Vicious Social Darwinists that we are, though, we’ve wasted little time in giving birth to a new litter of contributor-level and staff babies. We decided to break with convention on this occasion and actively began to advertise the position outside the existing community. The result was that we received over double the number of applications as we have in previous rounds of promotions.

Overwhelmed by the quality of applications put forward, we’ve decided to go ahead and bring in four new contributors (on top of the two added before Christmas) and five new staff members -three from the existing contributor pool and two who impressed us so much we decided to take a leap of faith and grandfather them in at the highest level.

We’d like to thank everybody who applied for both staff and contributor positions. We were pleasantly surprised at the consistently high standard of the applications and many of you can consider yourselves unlucky to have missed out on this occasion. We will be making more additions through the course of the year so by all means keep contributing and don’t be afraid to ask for advice from any of the current and past staffers.

Finally, congratulations to all of our new colleagues!

Contributor additions:

David James Young (Atavanhalen)
Andy Antar (Andy Antar)
Conrad Tao (conradtao)
Eno (Enotron)

Staff additions:

Jared Ponton (Observer)
Joseph Viney (JViney)
Keelan H. (thebhoy)
Monica Skoko (mms540)
Robin Smith (pianotuna)





SeaAnemone
01.14.11
congrats to everyone!


Knott got snubbeb : (

cvlts
01.14.11
uh-oh. girl staff reviewer. shits gonna get heavy...

WeepingBanana
01.14.11
gratz guys

it was only a matter of time

Knott-
01.14.11
right

Xenophanes
01.14.11
Yeah, I don't agree with the two randomly new staffed people. I mean, Seanemone and Knott and Crysis easily should have taken those spots.

BigTuna
01.14.11
snubbeb

Crisis
01.14.11
Congratulations to all who have been promoted, well-deserved all. Wish I could say this on my normal account but yeah >.

Defeater
01.14.11
"We decided to break with convention on this occasion and actively began to advertise the position outside the existing community. The result was that we received over double the number of applications as we have in previous rounds of promotions."

Whoever came up with this, THANK YOU.

Lakes2
01.14.11
mms540 has one review wtf

Xenophanes
01.14.11
Really happy for atavan though, it's about fucking time!!!

Willie
01.14.11
What you're not realizing is that we were only going to add three staff reviewers, so the other two new staff didn't take anybody's spot.

Athom
01.14.11
lakes cant read. anyways... congrats everyone.

Curse.
01.14.11
No offense, but what made you take the leap of faith with these people?

bloc
01.14.11
"Andy Antar, JViney, mms540"

I'm sorry, but with all due respect, who the HELL are these three people?

Irving
01.14.11
Congrats all!!

Xenophanes
01.14.11
Oh, that makes more sense. Gutsy call, but some non-sputnik community people may be a breath of fresh air, it will be cool to have a girl staffer though lol

Deviant.
01.14.11
Congrats all

Aids
01.14.11
congrats all, interested in reading the new staff's work (the "new" new staff).

iarescientists
01.14.11
girl on staff

GIRL ON STAFF

Defeater
01.14.11
You guys can't read, can you?

They were picked up from outside of the community. You know, diversity.

Aids
01.14.11
Nice to see Keelan, Robin and Jared getting the respect they deserve. All great writers.

BigTuna
01.14.11
congrats people

Urinetrouble
01.14.11
congratz gaiz


wish i could've been on contribs here but oh well. theres always next time

Xenophanes
01.14.11
I'm excited to read some new people's things. I mean, these reviews will be really diverse because they haven't been reading the site's stuff for years. I'm beginning to see the logic behind it...

mynameischan
01.14.11
i was under the impression that knott was going to be staffed but i guess not :[

he definitely deserved it

Spare
01.14.11
fukn knew it

Irving
01.14.11
Xeno makes a good point.

robertsona
01.14.11
damnit

Defeater
01.14.11
Knott has become increasingly hostile lately, I'm not surprised he didn't get it.

No offense dude.

Knott-
01.14.11
I realise the irony of arguing with you but I'm not hostile to anyone who isn't disrespectful to me.

Defeater
01.14.11
If you think I'm disrespectful then you miss the point of a lot of my posts. It's ok though.

robertsona
01.14.11
he didnt say you were

IsItLuck?
01.14.11
"I'm sorry, but with all due respect, who the HELL are these three people?"
I made no executive decisions in this process, but you don't have to 'be' someone in order to become a staff reviewer if the writing is good enough.

Jethro42
01.14.11
Congrats all!

Knott-
01.14.11
Defeater, I tend not to get involved in most of the bitching that goes on, if you think I've been disrespectful you almost certainly missed the point of my post too. Regardless, I'm just confused as to how I could've made Staff. The answer clearly isn't to contribute more.

kanecooper
01.14.11
hmm

Athom
01.14.11
all good things come to those who wait. look at David haha

vanderb0b
01.14.11
Congrats to everyone! Agree with many of these decisions, particularly glad that conradtao got promoted; his writing definitely needed more recognition.

Defeater
01.14.11
No, I've just noticed a shift in your demeanor here. I think you can agree to that without any specifics. You're not the only one that has changed.

Don't quit writing though.

Xenophanes
01.14.11
I'm sure you don't remember, Redskyformiles, but I'm glad you followed through when I told you to make Atavan contrib (yes I am aware that decision was probably made far before). Really awesome choice, guys.

Knott-
01.14.11
Yeah, I do agree with you, I've gotten quite tired of a lot of the petty nonsense that goes on.

Clearly not, Thomas. Sorry dude.

Xenophanes
01.14.11
Please, just stop Defeater. This isn't the thread for this.

Defeater
01.14.11
I just wish I liked any of the albums he reviewed, Xenophanes.

Knott-
01.14.11
Yeah, David is a good writer.

Enotron
01.14.11
holy shit, thank you!

tinkrbel
01.14.11
"Andy Antar, JViney, mms540
I'm sorry, but with all due respect, who the HELL are these three people?"

I'm with bloc on this one


Eclectic
01.14.11
Congrats to all!

SeaAnemone
01.14.11
I have one other account on Sputnik. It has 0 comments and 3 reviews. Looks like I applied with the wrong user lol.

Defeater
01.14.11
lol

tombits
01.14.11
yo guis staff bros you forgot me

congratulations to all the promotions. i would have liked to see xenophanes and knott be promoted but i'm sure they'll be shoe-ins for next time around. good luck to the newbie staff.

Irving
01.14.11
I like the new direction being taken by the site here, but Sea makes an AMAZINGLY good point. If he had registered a new account, written up three reviews in typical Sea-quality, would he have been promoted?

Hmmm.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
congrats to atavan and eno

also biggest congrats to Keelan!

JViney just seems like a downer clone so idk u staffed him alongside british downer...



Willie
01.14.11
--I like the new direction being taken by the site here, but Sea makes an AMAZINGLY good point. If he had registered a new account, written up three reviews in typical Sea-quality, would he have been promoted?--

No. I can smell his stink from a mile away ;)

tinkrbel
01.14.11
wait, so academy WASN'T made staff?

WTF?

Athom
01.14.11
rabblerabblerabble

acADHDemy
01.14.11
oh yea IM ANGRY ABOUT THAT

robertsona
01.14.11
academy rep me

Hep Kat
01.14.11
I'm a special snowflake!

tinkrbel
01.14.11
@ acad

yea i thought you would be one of the "leap of faith" guys

acADHDemy
01.14.11
honestly i think TheSpirit not getting promoted is the biggest disservice to the userbase... the good metal reviewers are routinely shoved aside for more and more downers

acADHDemy
01.14.11
robertsona would have added a little code red to the site's dew

Fugue
01.14.11
Congrats to all, been too long for an Atavan promotion IMO. Given the surprise element behid the promotions I'm expecting a lot from the "new guys", so no pressure.

Fort23
01.14.11
congratulation my people. i think im going to step it up this year for real.

Knott-
01.14.11
I think I'm going to step it down.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
just grow your hair out + then make an alt

AntonioMontana
01.14.11
It was about time Atavan got promoted. I need my pop and I need it now!

Aids
01.14.11
yah I mean it's not like my opinion matters for shit around here but Knott getting snubbed from staff seems pretty stupid. If he doesn't deserve the promotion, I don't know who does. (No disrespect to Keelan and the other recently promoted staffers, you're all fine choices).

acADHDemy
01.14.11
lol the only new staff member who actually applied was keelan

SeaAnemone
01.14.11
no academy you could email in applications, which a bunch did

porch
01.14.11
they're gonna be pissed when they realize they made me staff

acADHDemy
01.14.11
@sea ooooh my bad

Gyromania
01.14.11
Lololololol. Okie then

tombits
01.14.11
andy antar?

SOUNDS LIKE A DISGUISE TO ME!!

Hawks
01.14.11
You bastards! Seriously though, congrats to everyone that got promoted.

Inveigh
01.14.11
congrats to all

Sea, Spirit, Crysis and Knott should all get promotions imho, but I can definitely see the advantages to bringing in new blood

Irving
01.14.11
PORCH WINS THE WHOLE THREAD.

DaveyBoy
01.14.11
We wanted to staff David James Young & ban Atavanhalen... We ended up taking the middle ground.

Congrats to all who have been promoted & heads up to those who have not been. I can assure you that a lot of names were discussed back & forth.

tapitforever
01.14.11
congrats

but bailar14 wus the most deserving user for staff

tombits
01.14.11
it was me davey wasn't it? you guys were so close to promoting me. i mean i'm probably best reviewer since MJ peaked.

conradtao
01.14.11
Holy shit, this is awesome news! Thanks for the congratulations, guys :3

WeepingBanana
01.14.11
lol i thought about applying with only 5 reviews

shoulda done that

Josh D.
01.14.11
Cool.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
wtf is rush are they like aminal collective

foreverendeared
01.14.11
Awesome to see Robin at staff.

robertsona
01.14.11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9kfcEga0lk&feature=player_embedded

Lakes2
01.14.11
I should have applied with this account since it has 0 reviews. I think that's a reasonable leap of faith.

Kris.
01.14.11
sea got screwed i think but congrats to everyone

Deviant.
01.14.11
I applied under my academy alt, bad move

AnotherBrick
01.14.11
lol

Skimaskcheck
01.14.11
interesting..

Ponton
01.14.11
Thanks guys, though as I already told Adam, I would gladly step down so he or Kyle can might have my spot...

That said, I'm going to give this my best and try to step the quality of what I do up big time. Hope I don't let you guys down.

Congrats to the others!

joshuatree
01.14.11
Andy Antar
JViney
mms540

yeah guys idk either

Captain North
01.14.11
Oh ffs, that's another notch in Davids ego.

joshuatree
01.14.11
others deserve it like crazy obviously

AtavanHalen
01.14.11
Captain No

Mordecai.
01.14.11
mordecai :(

Captain North
01.14.11
See. He'll just use this against me.

Although I do admit his writing has been staff-level for fucking ages.

Mordecai.
01.14.11
oh damn congrats David :) the contributor line up just got a whole lot sexier

Hep Kat
01.14.11
Bravo. I officially endorse all these selections. I'm really interested to see what comes of this.

Gyromania
01.14.11
Congratulations, sputnikers.

Duderino
01.14.11
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/13551/Insomnium-Above-the-Weeping-World/
i'll just leave this here

Josh D.
01.14.11
Sh.

Crisis
01.14.11
@Duderino- I've already said that review fucking sucks and I think everyone knows that already

Megadeth
01.14.11
can i be contrib

tombits
01.14.11
hang on hold the phone who is "duderino" and why have i never heard of him before

acADHDemy
01.14.11
lmfao @ http://nyunews.com/arts/2010/04/13/13album/#/arts/2010/04/13/13album/?ref=ajax

Ire
01.14.11
JViney
mms540

I DON'T KNOW THEM

ANGER

AnotherBrick
01.14.11
OMG WHY AM I NOT CONTRIB YET

FromDaHood
01.14.11
^ yeah who are those people

Conrad, you my boy, congratulations (same goes for everyone I guess)

Knott-
01.14.11
Indeed, academy.

IndieOut
01.14.11
soooo lame that chan is gone

Aids
01.14.11
yah that review academy linked doesn't exactly seem like staff material but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and see how this pans out

Irving
01.14.11
And still Hep Kat remains un-Emeriticized.

Aids
01.14.11
was he actually staff at one point or was that a bunch of bs?

ZKG777
01.14.11
Hep Kat is a jew though so it's all good.

Ire
01.14.11
false jew

Hep Kat
01.14.11
Man I'm Catholic son check yo fax

Lakes2
01.14.11
Jew, Catholic, Nazi, whatever. All the same to me.

alachlahol
01.14.11
too many indie loving fucks on staff right now need to diversify the collective

Enotron
01.14.11
"Jew, Catholic, Nazi, whatever. All the same to me."

I detest organized religion as much as the next internet user, but that's a really stupid statement

alachlahol
01.14.11
this is a segregated society it seems i thought oppression was abolished years ago obviously not

Ire
01.14.11
eno comment or GTFO

alachlahol
01.14.11
when staff needs new clothes they rummage through their sisters closets

Electric City
01.14.11
staff took outside apps this time around so those are who the new people are. look at that.

also, the only reason we didnt staff knott was because there is a no more than 3 adams on staff policy

alachlahol
01.14.11
hmmm these pants are a little tight i kind of like this feeling

thebhoy
01.14.11
I'll sum up my feelings with a euphemism: I just found that secret beanstalk in Super Mario Bros. in the underground level that leads to the crazy mushroom cloud with all the coins and the warp tunnels.

SeaAnemone
01.14.11
I < 3 Keelan

alachlahol
01.14.11
of course you do hes staff now

FromDaHood
01.14.11
That mushroom cloud made my life complete

Irving
01.14.11
Gonna pos the next five reviews of yours because of that Super Mario Bros comment, Keelan.

Oh wait I can't do that now.

Ponton
01.14.11
lol posting that link to Crysis' review that thing is 3 years old.. my stuff back then in 2007 would be far worse than that.

Crysis is a damn good writer, easily one of the best metal reviewers on the site IN THE PRESENT, and has been for a while too tbh.

chesse13
01.14.11
so happy i made staff

WeepingBanana
01.14.11
lol i know a girl who writes for the NYU newspaper or w/e

i'm gonna have to ask her if she knows this Monica Skoko character...

TMobotron
01.14.11
how is it possible that i dont know some of these people? gratz though everyone

Irving
01.14.11
I'm okay with not being promoted...s'long as the userbase isn't killed first thing in the morning.

Athom
01.14.11
that can be arranged!

Irving
01.14.11
FML.

Hawks
01.14.11
"Crysis is a damn good writer, easily one of the best metal reviewers on the site IN THE PRESENT, and has been for a while too tbh."

This.

wyankeif1337
01.14.11
Andy Antar
JViney
mms540

they're all my alts

PuddlesPuddles
01.14.11
I thought promotions were based on how many band edits you have, random your name was, and the number of albums you rated....


I learned something today

wyankeif1337
01.14.11
this was poorly thought out imo

Athom
01.14.11
we don't negotiate with terrorist. whining ain't gonna change what just happened. and for the record, the internet IS NOT serious business. if you think it is, go shill for Anon. they're always looking for people that take things incredibly seriously but are too lazy to move from their computers.

xoxo

wyankeif1337
01.14.11
disagreement = whining

Athom
01.14.11
when the staff tag gets applied to a user of sputnikmusic you do realize that the person in question thinks "come know me in a different light now... come know me as god!". I give Robin 2 days, Bhoy 2 weeks, and Jared 17 days.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
why is nobody congratulating dave and jom they got promoted too

Editors
Dave de Sylvia
Jom

Electric City
01.14.11
once the users react to a list they contribute to, theyll be there

Xenophanes
01.14.11
Trey got moved to mod as well!

acADHDemy
01.14.11
treys been a mod for over a year, bro

Xenophanes
01.14.11
Yeah, but he was under the staff , not the moderators column.

Xenophanes
01.14.11
When you click on the staff and contribs. at the bottom I mean. After a year, it's apparently finally official

acADHDemy
01.14.11
oooo my b

Xenophanes
01.14.11
Your /b/ is saying "my /b/"

acADHDemy
01.14.11
eww no im not cool enough for chan

Irving
01.14.11
I thought you wrote "Trey got moved to god" lol.

climactic
01.14.11
i'm asking this in the least offensive way possible...how the hell do two people with less than ten reviews each get staff before someone like BallsToTheWall or SeaAnemone

204409
01.14.11
See ya guys later :/

kanecooper
01.14.11
bye bye nick greer

wyankeif1337
01.14.11
ttyl broski

Knott-
01.14.11
bye dr. nick :(

Xenophanes
01.14.11
l8r

couldwinarabbit
01.14.11
I thought knott was a shoe-in for staff.

thebhoy
01.14.11
Adam Thomas I can't function the internet right now so it may be a while before I think I'm god.... at least until I find the warp whistles.

couldwinarabbit
01.14.11
"they're gonna be pissed when they realize they made me staff"

I checked the ratings...it's not you porch.


Willie
01.14.11
--See ya guys later :/---

Don't go too far! I need to learn whatever the hell it is you do with excel to make these lists 100x easier...

204409
01.14.11
I read sputnik every day still :). I'll stop by Olympus too from time to time.

Electric City
01.14.11
http://www.freewebs.com/nickgreerreview/

one last time

SeaAnemone
01.14.11
In honor of Nick Greer's retirement:


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3294/2888500826_cbd670c7ea_o.jpg


Satellite
01.14.11
why turn down knott--an established contributor, excellent writer, and solid member of the community--in favor of someone who's submitted exactly one review? i'm sure that this person offered other works for consideration, but still.

note: i know my opinion does knott matter at all and fuck me and stuff.

CelestialDust
01.14.11
congrats to all! especially observer, who brings so much civility to this site

DaveyBoy
01.14.11
Oh no, I have competition in the civility stakes.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
tbh davey, kiran was shitting all over you

TheSpirit
01.14.11
hmmmmm

Xenophanes
01.14.11
Lewis was snubbed, I mean he went emeritus too, but didn't get a mention

StreetlightRock
01.14.11
Lewis went emeritus back in October.

Xenophanes
01.14.11
That long ago? Damn, I thought it was like, late November or so.

Athom
01.14.11
tbh there was only one "promotion" for staff up for grabs. Robin and Jared had sealed their fate long ago.

couldwinarabbit
01.14.11
so the outsiders' spots couldn't have gone to a sputnik user and were a seperate thing?

Deviant.
01.14.11
"so the outsiders' spots couldn't have gone to a sputnik user and were a seperate thing?"

Kinda answered your own question there

acADHDemy
01.14.11
all i know is there better be PLENTY of btbam on these new dudes' last.fms OR ELSE

Urinetrouble
01.14.11
I think this is sort of unfair to the users who worked hard to get this spot. Giving it to new users who've only had one or two reviews and aren't as skilled writers as oposed to those with lots of reviews and are great writers (Deviant, Knott) seems severely unfair to the hard workers who put time and effort into doing this when they could be doing something else. I mean, Deviant should've been up there instead of the guy who wrote the Gorillaz review-he wasn't even a very good writer for pete's sake.


i know i didn't work hard, but i still applied anyways. I've vowed to start reviewing new releases which started with Cake and i've got a huge long list. Also, gonna review more often.

Athom
01.14.11
i was explaining this to Sea a while ago and if you guys actually sat down and thought about it, you'd see that these promotions are A. not a slight against those coming of age so to speak in the userbase and B. are an attempt to grow the site. because this site walks the thin line between semi-professional pomp and overall message board pandemonium expanding it is never going to please everyone. Over the last couple of years the site has become a legitimate source for music critiques because of the site's staff. Unfortunately for those that have "grown up" in the system, it breeds homogeneity, and just promoting people that cover some of the genres we as staff miss but cover nothing else isn't going to fix the problem (this is why Jared was a shoe in for staff because he not only covers metal but also EVERYTHING else... and no this has nothing to do with Knott. he was more than capable and just because he wasn't chosen this time doesn't mean he isn't staff material). The only way we could do this is to treat the staff like any other job position and expand it beyond just the small scope of writers that the website offers in hopes to gain new audiences on the professional side of business. Also we are now looking at contributor as a position that is more than just "oh this person has a lot of reviews that are ok" and are holding them to a high standard as potential staffers. that's much tougher scrutiny. There are a lot of up and comers that are almost there and this is not meant to discourage any of them but from what we saw, the people chosen, if they continue to perfect their craft impressed us the most and could possibly be promoted higher in the future. Remember Sobhi was made contrib with like 5 reviews and staffed with something like 10 and that worked out rather well. And for the rest of the userbase that is for some reason up in arms at the moment, if you notice the key changes in the site over the last year or so, they have all mostly been to the benefit of cultivating the social aspect of the site because that's what's at the heart of the website.

Basically it comes down to this, we had 3 staff promotions that we were planning on doing. The same 3 people would have been promoted even if no one new was added from outside of the site. It's not like they took someone's spot. Everyone just needs to calm down and take a breath because after all this site for us is just a hobby. if you take it as something more than that, you should take a break from SputnikMusic and reexamine your priorities. I mean hell, I was pissed when DaveyBoy got promoted over me back in 09 but that was for like 10 minutes and then I remembered that, despite what you may have been told, it's not serious business.

TL;DR

Defeater
01.14.11
In short, LIFE ISN'T FAIR.

Later.

Kiran
01.14.11
gonna get serious on you fellas for a moment..

i find it a little bit disappointing that, after months of regurgitated complaints about stagnancy, hive-mind and deleted staff sux lists, that a move which has brought in THREE well-loved, constantly userbase-championed contributors into the staff ranks alongside two left-field outsider picks, who are the first in an experiment for sputnik in opening its doors and seeking FRESH minds, is met OVERWHELMINGLY by the majority of the vocal userbase as a diss to those overlooked. i understand its hard to maintain perspective when youve become so ingrained in the community of what is at its core a website entirely based around exactly that but i feel like nobody ever takes a step back to actually see more than whats thrusted in front of their faces.

come on guys

Urinetrouble
01.14.11
i just remembered something; i already do this, and for a living too. It's part of my job to actually review music for our magazine we sel at the store.

Redskyformiles, i you've made your point. It seems to be a good way of expanding the community and making this site more legit than it is now. think you are right about this now that

Kiran
01.14.11
...adam beat me to it

Urinetrouble
01.14.11
damn keyboard always moving words in the wrong place. Basically, was saying i now agree with your ideals

Defeater
01.14.11
It's good to let a few outsiders in. Maybe they'll put some hair on our incompetent users' chests.

Satellite
01.14.11
well said kiran and adam.

*slowclap*

Urinetrouble
01.14.11
yeah, little pussies need to MAN UP. BUFF NIGGAS TYPE IN ALL CAPS, SKINNY ASS NIGGAS TYPE IN SMALL CAPS

acADHDemy
01.14.11
the problem is, if THOSE are our diversity picks... i just don't see it... i mean, i guess her being a girl is nice, but that shouldn't be her defining characteristic... the staff list was pretty fucking girly this year (no offense, i'm talking about musical taste not your guys' character).. regarding the other dude, he just doesn't seem like a very good writer (but idk really ive only read two reviews from him..)

more indie =/= more diversity... frankly, for online music magazines, it's quite the opposite

Tyler
01.14.11
just also wanna say FYI we do know what we're doing, especially the higher ups.

yeah that's right we have higher ups what now?

Tyler
01.14.11
frankly chambered89 you totally missed the point. it's not an achievement award.

Athom
01.14.11
also to add to what kiran said, there seems to be a lot of people that are bummed by Chan leaving. just keep in mind though, the amount of shit he got from the users was a factor in him leaving. i started writing adding my two cents to the conversations on this site because it was fun. when i started doing reviews it was because it was fun, but the intensity in which people interact with each other on this site has drained a lot of that fun. this isnt some back in the old days bullshit because there were always assholes on sputnik music, but god damn, not everyone has to be.

Defeater
01.14.11
"i guess her being a girl is nice, but that shouldn't be her defining characteristic... "

Where did this come from? She was picked because she can write.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
and obviously observer is the most diverse reviewer ever so i'm not complaining

i'm not even pissed about outside reviewers... they don't make a difference to me i'm still just going to rag on downer

just don't tell knott- that they didn't take his place... or like rasputin or waior... all three are insanely diverse reviewers... there was no real reason to automatically staff the newbies instead of automatically contribbing them...

Satellite
01.14.11
that bums me out. chan did get way too much shit from people. i always just sort of assumed he was impervious to the criticism.

Knott-
01.14.11
I'll just say what I've said elsewhere many times over, very briefly:

- 5 positions available = 5 positions available.

- If I hadn't been a contributor on sputnikmusic.com I would've had a better chance of making staff through applying as a newcomer, which is INSANE.

- Why contribute if you want a promotion?

acADHDemy
01.14.11
"Where did this come from? She was picked because she can write."

someguest nobody knows this from one review posted. i'm sure she can write, but all that jumps out at us from this blog post is...

Tyler
01.14.11
none of us are impervious too it. i've gone through what chan had to deal with and it sucks. there's a reason i don't really actively talk on this side of the site anymore and it's not far off from why chan got fed up. it's not even that he was necessarily hurt or anything it's that it's annoying as fuck having people follow you around harassing you.

Tyler
01.14.11
Also, just because she has one review on here doesn't mean it's all we've read from her.

Defeater
01.14.11
"other than diversify the site which i think is bull the best man for the job should get the job"

There isn't a "best" man for the job, there were many excellent submissions and some got picked and some didn't. There's no guarantee of promotion when you submit your reviews here.

Curse.
01.14.11
Sputnik has a hive mind, and won't accept outsiders and newcomers?!?!?! NO FUCKING WAY

BTW gonna write about 90 review in the next year and apply for contrib

Tyler
01.14.11
write 90 in the next year but make sure to submit them all at the same time, that way you'll really stand out

acADHDemy
01.14.11
"Also, just because she has one review on here doesn't mean it's all we've read from her. "

yeah but it's all that someguest has read from her

Defeater
01.14.11
Actually, I haven't read anything from her. I'm using logic.

Masochist
01.14.11
Congrats to all the new staff and contribs. Don't care about Sputnik adding in two new people from outside...but I do kinda care that Adam Knott wasn't promoted. I kinda always thought of him as Staff anyways, to tell the truth (probably has to do with his name being Adam).

Also...sad to see both Dave and Chan go. Essential Sputnikers, they were.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
"She was picked because she can write."

this is an assumption... aka a leap in logic

Defeater
01.14.11
Not assuming she can write, but that the staff can pick someone perfectly capable of writing.

Nagrarok
01.14.11
"Andy Antar, JViney, mms540
I'm sorry, but with all due respect, who the HELL are these three people?"

I was a little surprised when I saw these guys appear yesterday before this was posted, but fresh blood is actually a really great idea.



Tyler
01.14.11
"Also...sad to see both Dave and Chan go. Essential Sputnikers, they were."

Uh, I think you mean Nick.

Satellite
01.14.11
just read the new girl's nicki minaj review. it's excellent and certainly of staff quality.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
i don't want to continue arguing semantics, but that's not what you said, and regardless that's not the point i was trying to make...

i said it shouldn't be her defining characteristic... thing is we don't know whether it is or not... only time (and reviews) will clue us in...


Defeater
01.14.11
The funny thing is that her gender was never mentioned in the original article.

Knott-
01.14.11
Except the bit where it says her name.

couldwinarabbit
01.14.11
While I understand what the staff is doing completely I do think knott has a point as what they did does really go against the "sense of community" the site tries to create, and which separates it from nearly every other, not only music site, but site on the internet.

If users have a feeling that they being outsourced, no matter what the intention of the staff, they will lose that sense of connection and sense of community the site builds through its internal promotion system. As a writer, reviewer, artist or whatever who is working for the good of the site, as much as their own interest, it is a real slap in the face to login and see "thanks for the 100 plus (good) reviews but we went with an outside person"


acADHDemy
01.14.11
and the 2nd comment

acADHDemy
01.14.11
god rabbit shut the fuck up everybody hates you

Masochist
01.14.11
Uh...yeah. Him. Nick. :-P

Seriously, though, his Thrice reviews are legendary. I remember reading The Alchemy Index as I was getting into the EP's (and subsequently becoming a true fan of the band)...reviews most epic; I'll miss those.

That being said...I can't imagine that most people would be so upset about hiring two new people if Knott weren't promoted in conjunction with it (despite the fact that it would appear as though he wouldn't have been promoted this time around anyways). New blood on staff isn't an idea that particularly bothers me.

Also, looking at all the "Girl on staff" comments...apparently, morrissey(sp?) doesn't exist.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
Morristown according to auto-correct

Defeater
01.14.11
"Except the bit where it says her name."

Right, but academy is making it sound like she was picked because she's a woman. Nowhere is that even hinted at.

Knott-
01.14.11
Tru dat.

Tyler
01.14.11
just wanna say again that the fresh blood was brought in because they're all really good writers.
and hey guys maybe monica is a guys name you dont know for sure

Knott-
01.14.11
Anyway I'm not entering into a group discussion of this thing, I just wanted to make those 3 points and did so.

Tyler
01.14.11
also knott i wouldn't get discouraged, just having the body of work you do is enough of a kick-starter if this is something you want to pursue. staff is the extra push, yeah, but it isn't like that's not still in the cards for you. this entire thing is a surprisingly arduous and messy process for us and that's not even sarcasm or anything.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
i am NOT suggesting that... i have no idea what to think, as i obviously wasn't part of the decision

i'm saying it shouldn't have played into the decision. and when we start throwing words like 'diversity' around for someone with 1 review and 1 comment and 1 mis-spelling of segue... it's sort of the elephant in the room.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
oh shit nvm re: the segway misspelling that's a paul blart reference

Tyler
01.14.11
nobody who actually had a say in choosing the new staff members used the word 'diversity' and nobody is beyond stupid typos. as someone who works in the 'industry' i can tell you that even people who've been writing for decades make mistakes like using the wrong homophone (ie: segue/segway...there/they're/their is unaccaptable though) every once and a while.

WeepingBanana
01.14.11
would it not make more sense to put all three of these people at contributor and have adam and dev be new staff members. in the meantime see how the 3 newcomers do and place them in staff if they deserve it?

idk i guess i'm just planting seeds

Athom
01.14.11
I'm done with this thread. if you leave me a shout about it i'm just going to ignore it, same thing goes if you talk to me off the site. I wish the new staffers and contributors all the best and I hope that the rest of you sleep on it and let things play out. Even if you don't like the idea of bringing in some outside talent at least be civil (if that's possible with you all) and give them a chance to win you over. Although I know that I'm bound to be disappointed in the userbase, I have faith that you won't troll them because you don't like the staff's decision.

Curse.
01.14.11
She only has one review for this site, she has more reviews for other sites if you did any fucking research, and diversity means more than race or gender. If anything, it is implied that the diversity comes from different writing backgrounds. It will be nice to have people who honed their reviewing style without the influence of what is the norm for sputnik (obviously I don't mean TBTs.) Have some faith people.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
Sputnikmusic Did I mention we're looking for new staffers? And that we'd particularly enjoy some female because this sausage party's gone on way too schlong...

-facebook page

Ire
01.14.11
dave is a joker

don't take him too seriously

SowingSeason
01.14.11
wow. looks like i missed out on a hell of a lot of good debating here but im just going to try tp keep it simple. while i definitely think knott is staff material (and at first i scratched my heard at some of these promotions), i understand the merit in bringing in two "outsiders" or hisk risk/reward users...i feel like that whole process of selection was separate from the ones they made out of the obvious canditdates who post frequently within our little community here...and that's the key word right there. We have to remember that Sputnik is just one little community and there is no shame/snubbing involved in bringing in people who haven't wowed us with 100 reviews, provided they show promise and the potential to write at a staff level. And basically, that is what you want - quality writing, not just a ton of reviews. I mean I'm one of the more recent inductees to the pool of contributors, but I know full well that while my work is good and consistent/plentiful, there are users who are better writers, and then people outside of this site who may or may not even review music who blow all of us away.

And most of all, just remember that this is all for fun.

Defeater
01.14.11
Knott is already a solidified writer here. His opinion's influence and relevance is higher than a lot of the staff even without the tag behind his name. It's good to find someone who has excellent writing skills with the possibility of a different take that would add value we don't yet have here. Now, it might take an instant tag in order for them to be recognized inside the community without all the mindless posting and other things to make a name for them. This shouldn't be thought as a reward for "an outsider", but as a benefit to the website as a whole. We get to have both with the assurance of the current staff backing up the new recruits while maintaining our already good faith we have in Adam's writing.

Aids
01.14.11
It's too bad that chan left the site partially because the users were busting his balls, but to be honest he kind of had it coming. I mean, I've been here for over three years and Chan's posts were useless and rude about 95% of the time. He's a great writer but he was an asshole to users (especially newer ones). You reap what you sow and if Chan had been a little bit nicer to the users or more inclusive or something he probably wouldn't have gotten bitched out like he did.

For the record, I never bitched him out and still think that users giving him a hard time was pretty stupid and most of time, he was just the scapegoat for all the hate that much of the newer userbase has for the staff for some stupid fucking reason, but when I read stuff like this " the amount of shit he got from the users was a factor in him leaving" I'm not going to start feeling all bad for him. There's a reason that Chan got most of the hate on the staff: he was the biggest asshole on the staff.

still chan if you're reading ilu (your asshole tendencies almost make me like you more, I love watching you tear into some dumbfuck haha) and I am truly bummed that you're leaving. hopefully you'll still drop by from time to time to review. happy trails man.

Deviant.
01.14.11
I was initially very surprised by the promotions myself, but then Dave made the official announcement and now I'm surprised at the comments. There were 3 positions available and they were filled (with some degree of difficulty I imagine as they are so many wonderful candidates) and that was it. These other 2 (and I truly feel sorry for them if they read this thread) are an experiment (this has already been mentioned) and have no bearing on others not getting promoted as they were positions that weren't available to the Sputnik userbase. So, why so serious?

Curse.
01.14.11
"It's too bad that chan left the site partially because the users were busting his balls, but to be honest he kind of had it coming. I mean, I've been here for over three years and Chan's posts were useless and rude about 95% of the time. He's a great writer but he was an asshole to users (especially newer ones). You reap what you sow and if Chan had been a little bit nicer to the users or more inclusive or something he probably wouldn't have gotten bitched out like he did."

and 99% of the time that he was "useless and rude" so was everyone else, except worse.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
idk why everybody suddenly got pissed at me, or why redsky suggested that this wasn't a civil discussion... its like everybody took that one line that guest took from my post out of context... bottom line: i like the instant promotions

i just don't like the snub and the corresponding 'politicking' in knott-'s shoutbox or in the long ass paragraphs from redsky/kiran (two of the most agreeable members on staff imo)

Satellite
01.14.11
chan really wasn't an asshole at all. on the seldom occasion he'd be a dick to someone (which was less often than 90% of the site), everyone made a huge deal about it.

and don't try to refute me by bringing up the bulldog blog entry. deep down you agreed with that and knew it was for the greater good.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
he was an asshole all the time and that's what made reading his contributions to the site interesting

Knott-
01.14.11
I wish it were true about good faith in my writing but I've been told today that I'm not so good.

Deviant.
01.14.11
Lol, by who?

Satellite
01.14.11
yeah, but there was hardly ever any malice intended.

Satellite
01.14.11
(@ cad)

sniper
01.14.11
knott for stafffffffff

seriously.

Knott-
01.14.11
by a mod

Aids
01.14.11
no way the bulldog stuff was hilarious. but come on, tell me it wasn't a massive dick move.

I guess I missed all of his nice posts but in my experience with him, he was almost always an asshole. Maybe he just didn't like me, I don't know.

I don't hold it against him at all, it was hilarious and anyone who actually got butthurt by him needs to learn2internet. I'm just saying that Chan leaving because of mean users (or partially because of) is just kind of ironic.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
yeah i'll agree with that... still, his bite is what made his stuff worth reading... saying stuff like 'he's leaving because he got his feelings hurt' sorta cheapens that (regardless of whether that is actually the reason)

but then who cares, people move on... i'm sure he'll have success elsewhere

sniper
01.14.11
and best of luck to the two new staffers, and congrats to all those promoted.

WeepingBanana
01.14.11
lol if only you guys knew how big of an asshole chan was to me in my younger days under my old account

acADHDemy
01.14.11
yea but u might have deserved it we'll never know

JViney
01.14.11
Hello everyone. I've read all of the comments here (and refreshed a couple of times for good measure) and I certainly understand the negative reactions towards myself and the other new people. Ultimately, the die has been cast so you're just going to have to deal with it. All you should know is this: I love music and I love to write. I'm also looking forward to debating the finer points of reviews, news, blogs etc with the members of this community.

Finally, thank you to those happy to engage in this so-called 'experiment' and to Sputnik Music for the opportunity.

Curse.
01.14.11
Chan and I are friends irl, we first bonded over that putt-putt game that was huge for a while here. I even played with SnackyBinx. Totally have a screenshot of me whooping his ass too.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
lol

WeepingBanana
01.14.11
oh i'm not saying i didn't deserve it

i'm just saying

Knott-
01.14.11
Hey, Joe.

The negative reactions aren't towards you and Monica, man. I regret it if that's the way any of it came across, and I'm sure other people would regret it equally.

Athom
01.14.11
glad to have you aboard. congrats
(made an exception and came back in for this post)

Satellite
01.14.11
welcome, jviney!!!

(yes, it's like this all the time)

acADHDemy
01.14.11
JViney's Last.Fm says most recent play was Korn's "Somebody Someone"




fuck yeaaa good start in my book

Aids
01.14.11
"Ultimately, the die has been cast so you're just going to have to deal with it. All you should know is this: I love music and I love to write. I'm also looking forward to debating the finer points of reviews, news, blogs etc with the members of this community."

/thread

Hawks
01.14.11
I mean, if it's something the mods wanted to do then that's what they wanted to do. I personally don't really agree with some of the decisions, but it's not anything too serious. If these two new people end up being great writers then the mods/staff are going to look like geniuses for choosing them. While there are some people who I feel could've been better choices for both contributor and staff, if they keep working (like I'm gong to) they'll just be promoted at a later date anyways. There shouldn't be too much being made of this I guess.

Aids
01.14.11
hmm I must have messed up my html code, I thought I ended the thread

couldwinarabbit
01.14.11
HE LIKES CAPTAIN BEEFHEART, TOM WAITS AND THE FALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I LOVE YOU STAFF!

Hawks
01.14.11
It'll end when I want it to end!

sniper
01.14.11
why is everything always made out to be such serious business

Kiran
01.14.11
yeah hawks, you just gotta have faith that those who have more invested in the website than you make these decisions out of nothing but the best intentions and with full control of what theyre doing. i really doubt dave would bring on anyone not qualified beyond doubt.

Defeater
01.14.11
Anyway, congrats to all who received a new position.

That's it for me in this thread.

Hawks
01.14.11
Exactly. I'm interested to see how this works out actually. I do feel bad for people like Knott and Crysis who are obviously more than qualified to be promoted to staff, but it's not a question of if they will or not it's just when it's gonna happen.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
yeah but didn't people say that about rasputin and waior and now theyr ghosteddddddd

AtavanHalen
01.14.11
"The negative reactions aren't towards you and Monica, man. I regret it if that's the way any of it came across, and I'm sure other people would regret it equally."

I don't think anyone here regrets it one bit. Any chance to have a fucking whinge is jumped upon.

The titles mean next to nothing. It's not as if this is a real job.

Masochist
01.14.11
Hey! I only mentioned it in passing earlier, but big ups to thebhoy, pianotuna and Observer for the staff positions, very well deserved. I have the utmost faith in you three.

And JViney and mms540, I obviously don't know you too well, but I definitely look forward to discovering your tastes and reading your reviews.

Knott-
01.14.11
Point was I don't think anyone purely resents the appointment of 2 non-community staff writers, it's a separate issue people are talking about for the large part.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
what knott just said x1000

AtavanHalen
01.14.11
"Point was I don't think anyone purely resents the appointment of 2 non-community staff writers, it's a separate issue people are talking about for the large part."

What, you?

Knott-
01.14.11
To a degree, yeah. Just stating facts, it's not my doing.

couldwinarabbit
01.14.11
""Point was I don't think anyone purely resents the appointment of 2 non-community staff writers, it's a separate issue people are talking about for the large part."

What, you?"

Not to start anything but starting from the first comment it was.


AtavanHalen
01.14.11
You're bitter, though, aren't you.
You're shit at trying to hide it.

JViney
01.14.11
Knott-: Thank you for resisting to put "Where you going with that gun in your hand?" after "Hey, Joe." It's a curse I've had to deal with since birth...!

Knott-
01.14.11
I'm disappointed, nice psychoanalysis.

Knott-
01.14.11
Hahaha. It's Knott in my nature.

Aids
01.14.11
yah "what Knott said x1000" for me too.

Didn't they advertise 5 available staff positions? they should have just advertised 3 and then introduced the 2 outside hires if that was the plan all along.

I mean I could be wrong, I don't think I bothered to read the post in which it was announced, but if they advertised 5 but only promoted 3 current users, then that shit is fukin ridikuls. nothing against the new staffers at all, I'm pumped to see what they bring to the table and that post by JViney was awesome as fuck.

Knott-
01.14.11
They advertised for 3. Well, they advertised for Staff, then said, "3 or more."

DoctorNurse
01.14.11
I feel snubbed. Didn't apply but thats beside the point

Aids
01.14.11
the one I previously quoted, although "Knott-: Thank you for resisting to put "Where you going with that gun in your hand?" after "Hey, Joe." It's a curse I've had to deal with since birth...!" is a better post then about 50% of the users here are even capable of haha

JViney
01.14.11
Finally (maybe, but I do have academia to be attending to), feel free to add me on LastFM (levitate85) if you want to.

Aids
01.14.11
"They advertised for 3. Well, they advertised for Staff, then said, "3 or more.""

oh well then who fucking cares?

Aids
01.14.11
"Finally (maybe, but I do have academia to be attending to)" you have much to learn about this place

Voivod
01.14.11
all good things come to those who wait


this along with the long post from redskyformiles.

JViney
01.14.11
Meaning?

JViney
01.14.11
Last post addressed to Aids.

Masochist
01.14.11
"oh well then who fucking cares?"

The people who weren't chosen for those three.

This is going to sound weird, but...while I think all three of the new Sputnik-side staffers earned it and are well-qualified to do the job, I also thought Knott was a shoe-in for it (especially since he was trying so hard to get there). As I said before, I already thought of him as a staff reviewer, oddly enough. I thought he should've been promoted; lots of other people thought he should've been promoted; he wasn't promoted; backlash ensues. That's about it.

Since he wasn't promoted this time, hopefully Knott sticks around to have another go at it; 'sabout all anyone can do. And in the meantime, we have five new staffers who are ready to show us what they can do.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
"we have five new staffers who are ready to show us what they can do."

i hope they realize how important 2011 is going to be there's a new thrice album coming out and with channing and greer gone, and knott denied, i fear for the soul of sputnik

Masochist
01.14.11
"i fear for the soul of sputnik"

Staff vs. Shang Tsung in 2011...SUPERB.

couldwinarabbit
01.14.11
who has dibs on the new radiohead album?

acADHDemy
01.14.11
@maso fucking LOL

Aids
01.14.11
"Meaning?" sputnik comes before EVERYTHING you must learn this haha

I mean the fact that you responded sort of proves my point. Shouldn't you be studying mister?

I was joking, re reading it I can see it being interpreted as bitchy, but that wasn't my intention. I just meant that Spuntik > Real Life

Kiran
01.14.11
downer's got you covered, rabbit

JViney
01.14.11
Indeed I do have a lot to learn! Yes, I should be studying. Trying to put it off.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
what are your thoughts on thrice, btbam, and opeth, JViney?

Aids
01.14.11
"The people who weren't chosen for those three" I totally think that Knott should have been promoted. Unfortunately though, the decision wasn't up to me. And while I don't necessarily agree 100% with the decisions, well why would I? I didn't make them.

Knott was definitely one of the top 3, if not the best contributor before these recent title changes. But let's be honest, no matter who was chosen, some of those left out would still be pissed.

Masochist
01.14.11
Also Deftones, Converge and Brand New?

acADHDemy
01.14.11
and GYBE

Masochist
01.14.11
(@JViney)

Knott-
01.14.11
ctts

acADHDemy
01.14.11
sweet, beautiful CTTS...

Masochist
01.14.11
La Dispute

couldwinarabbit
01.14.11
and the avalanches. But only robertsona and me really care about that.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
god rabbit you ruin fucking everything

Curse.
01.14.11
Defeater, August Burns Red, and Mis Sigs this year too

couldwinarabbit
01.14.11
ow sorry were we playing a game where we named sub-par bands and I just didn't get it and mentioned the really good ones?

Masochist
01.14.11
The Mars Volta, as well.

Curse.
01.14.11
TMV lol

Aids
01.14.11
"and the avalanches. But only robertsona and me really care about that." I beg to differ, good sir.

To be honest, I hope JViney isn't crazy about all of sputnik's favourites. That would be nice to see a negative review of something we all love that isn't MJ being a fucking idiot.

except Thrice. if you don't like Thrice gtfo

AtavanHalen
01.14.11
"ow sorry were we playing a game where we named sub-par bands and I just didn't get it and mentioned the really good ones?"

Seriously, can you finish high school and fuck off for the next forever years?

acADHDemy
01.14.11
atavanhandled.

taxidermist
01.14.11
The Mars Volta.

Masochist
01.14.11
@curse - Hey, if you can namedrop ABR, then I can mention TMV ;-).

@Aids - That's one of the reasons I think it was a good idea to grab outside help for staff--being able to view some albums without that annoying Sputnik gloss and/or slime (imagine, if you will, someone objectively giving CTTS a 3 or 3.5 and explaining why without resorting to the same trite cliches that are always thrown around!)

Aids
01.14.11
atavanhandled, i like that.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
i think everyone knows we're joking about grilling the new guy on our cultish/fav. bands... its all in good fun...



except Thrice tho. nobody fucks with Thrice.

JViney
01.14.11
Frankly, I don't really enjoy any of the bands mentioned except Deftones (a particular favourite) and Mars Volta ("De-Loused..." mainly).

Masochist
01.14.11
Thrice = 4+ or GTFO. The Third Law of Sputnik.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
"Music you have in common includes Megadeth, Deftones, Pantera, Korn and Faith No More."

i think we'll get along just fine

Aids
01.14.11
I just realized that Eno is the only promotion who's real name isn't listed. So secretive.

Aids
01.14.11
"Frankly, I don't really enjoy any of the bands mentioned except Deftones (a particular favourite) and Mars Volta ("De-Loused..." mainly)." yessssssssssssssssssss bring on the controversial ratings! listen to As The roots Undo and write a 1.5 review for it please

AtavanHalen
01.14.11
CTTS isn't controversial anymore.

Masochist
01.14.11
Random interjection:

Every time I see the title, I can't help but think of that Failure song, "Nurse Who Loved Me."

SAY HELLO TO THE ROCK'S TOPOGRAPHY
IT HOLDS QUITE A LOT OF INTEREST
WITH YOUR FACE DOWN ON IT

taxidermist
01.14.11
Mainly De-Loused? Eh, we'll get along ;)

acADHDemy
01.14.11
@maso check this thread http://sputnikmusic.com/album.php?reviewid=8548&page=5#lastpost that's what i kept seeing earlier in the day

taxidermist
01.14.11
"That's one of the reasons I think it was a good idea to grab outside help for staff--being able to view some albums without that annoying Sputnik gloss and/or slime (imagine, if you will, someone objectively giving CTTS a 3 or 3.5 and explaining why without resorting to the same trite cliches that are always thrown around!)"

Pretty much what I was thinking. I can't wait to see what these new people got.

Masochist
01.14.11
@academy - That would've been worse. The sunshine makes me want to listen to "Daylight"...which I'm now doing. :-P

Deviant.
01.14.11
"and the avalanches. But only robertsona and me really care about that."

Yes, i'm sure it's just you 2 rabbithead

Aids
01.14.11
can you guys imagine what would have ensued if Sea had posted his "best users" lists after this announcement? oh god the horror

Masochist
01.14.11
Aids! Shame on you! You know better than to put ideas into Sputnik's head. *finger swipe motion*

Aids
01.14.11
"CTTS isn't controversial anymore." K Jane Doe then. Kid A, I don't know.

Aids
01.14.11
no masochist those lists were a year end thing and it's 2011 so sputnik needs to move on

moving on...

Masochist
01.14.11
Year-end thing, moar like a year-long thing.

Masochist
01.14.11
But yeah, moving on...

Aids
01.14.11
pretty sure Monica would win best staff writer just because most people on sputnik would rather troll then vote seriously hahahaha

(not saying she's not a good writer, you just know the first 20 posts would be some form of "JViney/mms540 for staff writer of the year lulz")

Sanders
01.14.11
"Hello everyone. I've read all of the comments here (and refreshed a couple of times for good measure) and I certainly understand the negative reactions towards myself and the other new people. Ultimately, the die has been cast so you're just going to have to deal with it. All you should know is this: I love music and I love to write. I'm also looking forward to debating the finer points of reviews, news, blogs etc with the members of this community."

Instant new favourite Staff reviewer.

porch
01.14.11
its ok guys the new members will probably quit after a few days when they see how retarded the site is

Enotron
01.14.11
"Chan leaving because of mean users (or partially because of) is just kind of ironic."

he didn't leave because of "mean" users he left because of idiotic users

Liberi Fatali
01.14.11
Congrats to those on their elected positions, ultimately we are all here for the love of music though, so in the grand scheme of things, I don't see any point in extending the discussion as far as it has been.

Tyrael
01.14.11
"its ok guys the new members will probably quit after a few days when they see how retarded the site is"
Lol

ConsiderPhlebas
01.14.11
It's a shame Evedder didn't get contrib, he's at least as good as Eno and Conrad with a lot more reviews under his belt.

Gyromania
01.14.11
Oh well, there's always next time.

Electric City
01.14.11
sorry dave :(

DoubtGin
01.14.11
ewww that was a long read

Irving
01.14.11
But soooo good.

omnipanzer
01.14.11
Dave makes jokes?

Gratz all around!!
Welcome to the new individuals.

Xenophanes
01.14.11
"There are only 2 Adams on staff. If you're gonna steal my jokes, you really gotta get the details right."

Shouldn't have found this as funny as I did.

thebhoy
01.14.11
yeah a lot of this seems petty and idk it makes the new staffers not feel that great about their promotions. You can say all the "but it's not directed at you guys" that you want, and it's not that I'm hurt or that Robin or any of the new guys are, but why don't you just accept it for a while and see what happens. That's like chastising a rookie on a team who has promise but makes mistakes on occasion; you can't get better without expanding.

Sure, Knott probably deserved a staff position, he's a good writer and community member, but seriously so did we. And as has been mentioned before, it seems really childish that everyone is getting so upset. Heaven forbid change is occurring, that's not a regression, experimentation never is, even if it fails, it's never a regression.

So thanks to all those you offered their congrats, and to those who threaten to leave, come on, just keep using the site the way you have, you're not gaining anything from leaving.


Phideaux
01.14.11
Congrats to all the new staff. I'm also disappointed Knott didn't make it, but I understand. I kinda feel like the site's been stagnating a little bit, so I'm glad to see some outside users on staff. Should be a good year.

BigHans
01.14.11
I could maybe see why people might get this upset about not being chosen if this was an actual paying gig. MAYBE.

Xenophanes
01.14.11
"yeah a lot of this seems petty and idk it makes the new staffers not feel that great about their promotions"

Yeah, I honestly have been wondering how you all feel about it, I mean, I figure you must feel like shit. I mean, everyone wants Knott- in (I do as well), but that would mean taking it away from one of you three. There's all this contention and such, and the newly appointed staffers have to deal with all of this shit. It's ridiculous and people need to chill.

I also don't understand why people don't understand how and why the two "new" staffers got promoted. I swear this site gets more xenophobic by the day :p

Ovrot
01.14.11
Congtats, but where's sonic?

joshuatree
01.14.11
"It's a shame Evedder didn't get contrib, he's at least as good as Eno and Conrad with a lot more reviews under his belt."

people forget that being a contributor/staff means writing about new or diverse albums; evedder's a good writer but this isn't something he does compared to some others

BigHans
01.14.11
Yes I have firmly believe Mike (Evedder) is contrib material for over a year now, and hopefully someday he'll get his due.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
"evedder's a good writer but this isn't something he does compared to some others"

i disagree with this. eno is basically an eric clone.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
SeaEnomone/Erictron

SeaAnemone
01.14.11
lol maybe I'm just a Eno clone ever think of that acad bet not

FadeToBlack
01.14.11
"I also don't understand why people don't understand how and why the two "new" staffers got promoted. I swear this site gets more xenophobic by the day :p"

derp

"Yeah, I don't agree with the two randomly new staffed people. I mean, Seanemone and Knott and Crysis easily should have taken those spots."

acADHDemy
01.14.11
mind blown over here right now bro.

Willie
01.14.11
It's like trying to talk to a toddler. No matter how it's explained, there just doesn't seem to be any real understanding. No other contribs were going to be promoted regardless of whether the other two were brought in or not. I like knott, but I think he's not handling this with much grace. The other contribs are all fine. Balls made contrib a long time ago and then lost it in the "great contrib purge" and then earned it back again and still isn't staff - all without complaining... I think my point is that Balls is my hero. Yeah, that's defintely what I'm trying to say.

BigHans
01.14.11
Balls just dont give a fuck. Thats his charm.

SowingSeason
01.14.11
hahaha that might be my favorite post of the thread right there

BallsToTheWall
01.14.11
My greatest asset is my indifference.

wyankeif1337
01.14.11
might be why balls hasn't yet (to my knowledge) developed a god complex

Irving
01.14.11
He's got balls.

Masochist
01.14.11
Your greatest asset is the ungodly amount of bropuns you inspire, Brododendron.

thebhoy
01.14.11
Apathy ftw

BallsToTheWall
01.14.11
Wrong! Conan! What is best in life?

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
willie dangling his precious balls over everyone's head

DanteCuomo
01.14.11
Well.


This was retarded.

SowingSeason
01.14.11
most controversial sputmoment of '11 already happening

wyankeif1337
01.14.11
still won't beat out the redsky exterminate the userbase incident

acADHDemy
01.14.11
i believe it was Eleanor Roosevelt, my own personal hero, who once remarked:

"This small heart can get lonely
I lose myself inside myself
No one can touch you when you're outside staring in
Remove myself from this rat race

Back and forth, the struggle consumes us all
Trying to keep a level head
In the most unsettling of times
Today, I'll become the bull
(Become the bull)"

i think we could all stand to learn a thing or two from these words.

BigHans
01.14.11
Dave, please close the thread. Academy quoting Atreyu (agian), is the most fitting close possible.

taxidermist
01.14.11
"Wrong! Conan! What is best in life?

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women."

Lol. Robot Chicken :p

FelixCulpa
01.14.11
As long as Greer comes back to review Thrice new album that is tl;dr I'm happy. And congrats to everyone who got an promotion and welcome the new staff members!


Xenophanes
01.14.11
Lol, fade, I've become more educated about the situation since last night, and I repeal my previous post. And out of all of the users, why are you of all people calling anyone out haha?

Xenophanes
01.14.11
So what was this great contributor purge I have been hearing about?

Crisis
01.14.11
Back when the contributor status meant you wrote a bunch of ok reviews and didnt really have any meaning. They. "Purged" us all when the new system came along where contributor means a bit more than having a bunch of semi-decent reviews.

Xenophanes
01.14.11
Damn, sounds brutal.

BallsToTheWall
01.14.11
No it was better, it's system is less congested now, however I feel the same thing is happening to staff. I really don't remember if there were so many staffers in 07/08.

klap
01.14.11
notice how we promoted everyone after christmas so they missed the $1000 Christmas bonus

Enotron
01.14.11
cept me and eric have like different tastes(except in emo), different writing styles, and different attitudes towards most of the users in general so yeah that shits kind of dum

plane
01.14.11
Threads like this are why I'm emeritus, guys. I want to like you, and even come around a bit and leave some candy, but you are all infuriating. You have no sense of community like you purport, just elitism.

I want to congratulate everyone that made staff, and am really excited about the newcomers-- we advertised for new staff writers out of the site, and even promoted from within, so giving others a chance to show off their stuff without having previously shown off their junk will be a refreshing change of pace.

robertsona
01.14.11
hi lewis!!

bloc
01.14.11
*Eric and I

Enotron
01.14.11
@bloc: don't give a buck doeee, smoke kush errday

Willie
01.14.11
--willie dangling his precious balls over everyone's head--

He was the first person to talk to me regularly on this site. So, it's kind of his fault that I'm still here ;)

Crisis
01.14.11
BallsToTheWall- keeping the community together with bros and cthulhu since 2007

Masochist
01.14.11
Brothulhu

BallsToTheWall
01.14.11
But could someone answer my question. I really don't remember all these staff inclusions happening back then.

Crisis
01.14.11
It may have been a bit more candid then.

thebhoy
01.14.11
No don't you guys get it we're actually just becoming Pitchfork, OBVIOUSLY

BallsToTheWall
01.14.11
We should merge with Revolver.mag. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL or AP.

Inveigh
01.14.11
I would just like to say one more thing, then I will probably stop commenting on this thread, and possibly this subject:

for all the douchebaggery and idiocy present in these comments, there are an equal amount of users whom I like and respect saying things that I either agree with completely or just find entertaining/humorous. I love (most of) you, Sputnik.

congrats again to everyone who got a promotion

ConsiderPhlebas
01.14.11
All communities are poisoned with some brand of elitism, not just this site, or even the internet. For every elitist chump on here there's someone who's chill and just wants to talk about music.

DanteCuomo
01.14.11
I'm chill and I want to talk about music.

Can we stop with the arbitrary butthurtness now?

acADHDemy
01.14.11
i don't really see all that much idiocy & douchebaggery (perhaps because i'm the one emitting it?)... regardless, at the heart of this 400+ comment thread is:

- there's some new staff
-some criticism of the choices
-some defense of the choices
-a lot of people complaining about how many comments there are by adding more comments

people can crap on the userbase all they want but this is just how people work... i don't think there's anything dishonorable in politely defending knott-'s unhappiness... fuck, i've disagree with the kid in just about every interaction i've had with him, musical or otherwise, but i see why he would be pissed.

lastly i think this thread has been reasonably civil... ctrl F for 'fuck' and you only get 23... and no cunts or fags at all.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
ok now its 25 fucks

Inveigh
01.14.11
lol acad I definitely wasn't referring to you. most of the worst offenders were users I didn't recognize. and it wasn't really all that bad (idiocy and douchebaggery I guess may be too strong) -- more of a "is this really that serious" issue.

because whether or not the criticism was just, it still likely intruded on the enjoyment that the people who received the promotions were entitled to. And like I said, there were definitely deserving candidates who didn't get it, and some outsiders that we aren't familiar with did. Welcome to the real world, that's how job searches work.

ok now i'm done.

acADHDemy
01.14.11
"Welcome to the real world, that's how job searches work."

omg amen.

ConsiderPhlebas
01.14.11
Nah fuck these cunts why did I get passed over

DanteCuomo
01.14.11
I also want to applaud Conrad's appointment as he is like a much nicer and generally more comprehensible version of couldwinamabbit.

tiesthatbind
01.14.11
Thread was a good read. Congrats to the new staff/contribs.

Wizard
01.14.11
Congrats to the noob staffers. This article made me realize how fucking long I've been around these premises!

Athom
01.14.11
this thread is like The Real World: if you can't find the crazy bitch chances are it's you.

Inveigh
01.14.11
ok said i was done but that was really fucking funny redsky

CelestialDust
01.15.11
i feel the need to put a good word in for future considerations because of the following statement:

"people forget that being a contributor/staff means writing about new or diverse albums; evedder's a good writer but this isn't something he does compared to some others"

@joshuatree Sorry but, that statement makes embarrassingly little sense. While I enjoyed reading Andy Antar's High violet review, I don't think that piece, or any of his 3 reviews meet that criteria. In fact some of the more experienced new additions probably haven't done that lately either. You should probably think of a better reason for Evedder not being chosen, who I think is quite capable of writing well about new releases. ;)

Athom
01.15.11
you might not have seen it but we did and that's what counts.

ShadowRemains
01.15.11
so this thread is a fuckin monster, read up to a certain point and realized the same things were being said over and over again...not sure why a lot of you guys got into such a kafuffel over all this, it's not like this will be the last time someone gets promoted to either staff or a contributor...

Irving
01.15.11
kerfuffle

CelestialDust
01.15.11
@redsky alrighty, point taken

tombits
01.15.11
"you might not have seen it but we did and that's what counts."

lowut? you're staff on a public website that caters for a public audience, and if that audience doesn't "see" quality in the people you promote than you've ultimately made the wrong decision. i personally don't have any qualms with the new staffers, but sometimes it seems like whenever you guys recieve criticism of any discription all you do is point to your shiny staff badge and say "nigga, this is my lawn" instead of actually taking it on board.

Grignard
01.15.11
Change sucks, but it is part of life; it is a little naive to not see that even how things are done on this site (I gather) with respect to picking staffers isn't subject to change.

CelestialDust
01.15.11
i love grignard reactions

Grignard
01.15.11
reactions huh? I am sure that is the first post you have ever seen me make

Grignard
01.15.11
Ah excuse my massive fail. I just realized you actually knew the chemistry

Knott-
01.15.11
...the Grignard reaction is a chemical reaction.

CelestialDust
01.15.11
yes i've just finished my first semester of orgo hahaha

Knott-
01.15.11
redundantpost

Xenophanes
01.15.11
God I hate chemistry. Last quarter and I'm through!

Grignard
01.15.11
I am a chem major. feeling pretty ashamed for the foot-in-mouth there

CelestialDust
01.15.11
ah nice, i'm going for an environmental science degree

Grignard
01.15.11
Yeah Chem sucks the further you get into it. Not digging it currently. Best of luck on your stuff man!

CelestialDust
01.15.11
Thanks, best of luck to you too.

wyankeif1337
01.15.11
ioc is actually one of my favorite classes: hard as fuck, but the subject's really interesting.

ShadowRemains
01.15.11
"kerfuffle"

strange word, but as long as the point gets across

DanteCuomo
01.15.11
"but sometimes it seems like whenever you guys recieve criticism of any discription all you do is point to your shiny staff badge and say "nigga, this is my lawn" instead of actually taking it on board."

lol

Athom
01.15.11
@tombits: i dont owe you shit. neither does any other staffer. so in the immortal words of Clint Eastwood "GET OFF MY LAWN!"

Gyromania
01.15.11
In the wise words of forest gump: life is like a box o' chocolates... So stfu and take what you get!

Jackie Gleason
01.15.11
i can't believe people that are possibly less influenced by sputnik cliques and hivemind are going to write for MY site!!! first the mexicans take our jobs, and now this!

STOP SHOUTING!
01.16.11
wot a kerfuffle.

congrats to those appointed.

Voivod
01.16.11
notice how we promoted everyone after christmas so they missed the $1000 Christmas bonus



this this this

lol lol lol

Irving
01.16.11
Just curious...were the successful candidates notified through any other means - that is to say, aside from this blogpost?

Enotron
01.16.11
not I

Irving
01.16.11
Okay, I see. The reason I was asking was because I'm about 60% sure that Monica Skoko probably isn't even aware that she's Staff already lol...

Enotron
01.16.11
lollll

STOP SHOUTING!
01.16.11
i'll take monica's place. i can do dresses.

SeaAnemone
01.16.11
one of the stipulations is that if they don't see it and show up in time then they don't get the spot... not sure what "in time" constitutes though

Enotron
01.16.11
This is really more of an incentive for me to get back into reviewing. my last one was on the 27th or so. luckily there's a couple albums i've been meaning to review for a bit, so once i'm cleared up with my current work, i'll pump a few out

qwe3
01.16.11
so glad i missed this thread

Willie
01.16.11
She knows. She's already responded.

Irving
01.16.11
"one of the stipulations is that if they don't see it and show up in time then they don't get the spot... not sure what "in time" constitutes though"

That's interesting. I for one hope that she turns up though - it'd be nice to check out more of her work.

STOP SHOUTING!
01.16.11
"She knows. She's already responded."

i'll wear dresses anyway.

smish
01.17.11
Never underestimate the unknown. Congrats all :)

whywontyoudie
01.17.11
great to see Observer and pianotuna getting staff'd

Irving
02.19.11
God damn I miss this thread.

Xenophanes
02.19.11
Irving, bumping month old news/blog threads up in here.

SeaAnemone
05.04.11
in retrospect, those outside additions really worked out well... remember those?

SowingSeason
05.04.11
yo, skoko and antar are anchoring this review site. don't be hatin'

Blindsided
05.04.11
skoko is blowin it up.

theacademy
05.04.11
lol all it took was one little comment defending sea's manhood vs. sonic and we've all gone back four months

Xenophanes
05.04.11
I actually like JViney though, he's a good writer and he contributes fairly often.

In retrospect yes, but it's hard to blame the mods for wanting to make this place a little less homogenous. 1 out of 3 isn't toooooo bad I guess haha. I wonder what will become of them....

theacademy
05.04.11
he's a little foppish

theacademy
05.04.11
confesh: i don't know what foppish means

theacademy
05.04.11
looked it up, yeah he's totally that

Xenophanes
05.04.11
Haha, I don't know how to respond.

Xenophanes
05.04.11
obsolete : foolish, silly
2
a : characteristic of a fop b : behaving or dressing in the manner of a fop

robertsona
05.04.11
haha i knew this would happen SEE 8)))) 8( ;)

SowingSeason
05.04.11
skoko is loco

Xenophanes
05.04.11
lol awesome^

Xenophanes
05.04.11
The rest of the choices are turning out well though!

Enotron
05.04.11
to be fair i've written 3 reviews since i've been made a contributor : (

though i can't download albums anymore, until i replace my laptop battery

Xenophanes
05.04.11
Still beating Monica and Andy lol

Josh D.
05.04.11
I was wondering the other day where the new people were. I guess I just don't read staff reviews.

Irving
09.23.11
HEY GUYS REMEMBER THIS THREAD?!?!?!!!!

clercqie
09.23.11
I thought it was new...

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