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We value discussion, and we’re happy that lists are so popular. However, there is a thin line between users having fun and annoying trolling. Recently (or perhaps not so recently), there have been a few trends that I’ve noticed:

- Users creating multiple accounts to bother other users, publish bogus lists, and generally be an annoyance.
- Lists that serve no other purpose but to start a discussion in the comments section.
- Users attacking newbies who aren’t aware of the site’s cliques/conventions, etc.

Currently, the forums aren’t well integrated with the review site, so there isn’t a prominent place where users can engage in general discussion. We’re working on fixing this at some point in the future. In the meantime, here are a few small changes/guidelines we’re rolling out:

- We now have a way to track alternate accounts. In other words, expect the possibility that you may be banned on all of your active accounts if you are banned.

- We’re not going to allow people to use disposable e-mail addresses in registration.

- Users now have the option to prevent other users from commenting on your lists. If you love polka and want to post your top 15 of 2010 without instant replies of “lolololololol sucks,” this option is for you.

- Mods can now lock discussions that are getting out of hand.

- You can delete posts by other users on your lists. If someone is being offensive, just delete. If they come back repeatedly, report it to the mods in the site forum.

- We’re going to feature 1-2 lists every day or so. These lists will appear above the other lists on the main page. We’re only going to feature music-related lists.

Thanks for reading. We’re not trying to rain on anybody’s parade, but we want to make sure that a few small rules are in place to help make sputnik more welcoming to users.





Winsomniac
08.26.10
Does this mean music-unrelated lists are going to be deleted?

DoubtGin
08.26.10
^I hope so

mx
08.26.10
We won't be actively deleting lists not related to music until we have a better place for general discussion. But try to keep most lists related to music in any case.

robertsona
08.26.10
featured lists will appear above the others on the news feed or whatever? or how will that work?

fromtheinside
08.26.10
this sounds great mx. love the additions.

8bit
08.26.10
Good idea. Kind of bitter sweet.

Winsomniac
08.26.10
Thanks for the info. Forums seemed far more uninviting than the rest of the site to me, and lists are still probably the easiest way to socialize on Sputnik, music-related or otherwise. I'd be interested in another feature that's more friendly to general discussion, though.

Maniac!
08.26.10
holy crap an mx sighting.

I will be happy when you are able to program a decent forum/mainpage integration. I'm aware that takes a lot of time and work, but from the recent changes I have seen, I am sure that it will be great

PanasonicYouth
08.26.10
"- Lists that serve no other purpose but to start a discussion in the comments section."

tbh i don't see a problem with this
most of the people that don't get on the forums probably won't start anytime soon and if it's good-natured and has actual discussion, then what's the problem? i'm starting to get tired of seeing the same music-related list over and over and over again like OMG I HAET THESE BANDS and shit like that. it's all so samey and non-music lists add a little variety
i mean ya this is a music-related site, but if the people on the forums can discuss stuff other than music, why can't we?

Deviant.
08.26.10
"i mean ya this is a music-related site, but if the people on the forums can discuss stuff other than music, why can't we?"

Probably because they're posting that kind of stuff on forums

Winsomniac
08.26.10
If Enrique gets banned, I'll leave.

And I agree whole-heartedly with Panasonic. I try to keep my trolling to a reasonable level, and feel like that semi-formal atmosphere is what I love about Sputnik. I understand that at the end of the day, it's a music site, but the community is definitely what I love most.

Ire
08.26.10
Playing around should be fine but hardcore trolls are screwed. They're really just trying to make the site's users more productive. I think we should all step in line.

Crysis
08.26.10
Featured lists? Cool idea. Also nice that you can delete comments in your own lists now.

sniper
08.26.10
Featured lists is a cool idea. As far as the other changes, I'm pretty sure it will be for the best. I mean giving users the power to delete comments is cool since it will ultimately be up to the individual to decide what's offensive and what's just fun and games, rather than mods doing it without users having any say.

Idk what's so bad about peaceful alts though, as long as they aren't causing problems or starting shit.

LegendofPittman
08.26.10
I think the music discussion lists are a good addition, and the rest of the lists be a little bit of fun. Especially with all of the alts gone.. except Enrique hopefully :(

sniper
08.26.10
Dammit Crysis beat me and said my whole rant in like two sentences.

fr33convict
08.26.10
"tinkrbel, Josh D., bailar11, East Hastings, theacademy
Does it really matter? You have a billion alternate accounts between the five of you.
You know why.

I'll unban you lot when I wake up tomorrow (if I remember) but my new rule is if I have to delete more than three cognitively-deficient posts from the same user in the same review thread, I'm just going to ban him/her forever. Please keep this in the back of your minds before you decide to have a circlejerk. Have an old school AIM Chat or something. Or Skype each other in the nude. I don't care... just enough with all the overdone Internet memes."

lol

pizzamachine
08.26.10
This is awesome news.

Willie
08.27.10
--while I love how the site is trying to become more serious and user-friendly, I kinda think that the mods will use these rules to enforce their "NO FUN, NO HORSEPLAY" agenda--

You guys take everything to the extreme. It's not trying to become "more serious", just more user friendly. Look at the majority of the new updates to lists, they're for users not mods. Now we don't have to delete lists so often or delete comments that the list creator is perfectly happy with… and if comments get out of hand, the creator can lock the list themselves. This should result in a lot less outside influence and potentially less bans related to list comments (which hardly ever happened to begin with).

He also said that it was 'possible' that you could be banned across multiple accounts, but that's not the first step in trying to clean up issues and alt accounts aren't going to just be flushed out for no reason.

sniper
08.27.10
What Willie said.

elephantREVOLUTION
08.27.10
this definitely needed to be done. the lists do get pretty ridiculous.

2muchket!
08.27.10
forum regs dislike review site regs and vice versa. Nothing good will come out of a greater integration

sniper
08.27.10
forum regs dislike review site regs and vice versa. Nothing good will come out of a greater integration

that

porch
08.27.10
I don't use the forums much but the users there are pretty cool. Some people just take casual insults too seriously.

porch
08.27.10
and by that i mean some of the review site users take stuff too seriously

Winsomniac
08.27.10
...We do?

mynameischan
08.27.10
what you all fail to realize is that what you see as "having fun" and "being funny" is actually not funny at all

Maniac!
08.27.10
I find it entertaining that Chan always comes off as a sort of higher authority on pretty much everything

Enotron
08.27.10
""what you all fail to realize is that what you see as "having fun" and "being funny" is actually not funny at all"

i suppose when chan, iaresientists, and eliminator were all active users that they were a lot more comedic.

bailar11
08.27.10
article is entertaining

2muchket!
08.27.10
I come over here now n then, there's some decent users here and there but christ the forums would be unbearable if a lot the users here started posting over there. We already have adb posting outdated 4chan memes, we don't need another 20 faceless 15 year old 'MASTUHHHH TWOLLLLSSSS' posting boring shit that I saw on /b/ 3 years ago and trying to invade our clique.

AnotherBrick
08.27.10
pretty funny that you guys are all about getting rid of the trolls but then you let bailar run around. just look at his ratings, which is normally a horrible argument to make but it's pretty obvious he is just a troll

AnotherBrick
08.27.10
because everyone thinks these are worthy of a 5

Brokencyde BC 13 EP
Brokencyde The Broken
Brokencyde I'm Not A Fan, But The Kids Like It!

porch
08.27.10
I might be unpopular for saying this but it'd be good if the mods started being a little stricter on idiotic spam in review threads. Lately there's been 4chan bullshit everywhere from the same few users

Winsomniac
08.27.10
But does he make the site less friendly to new users?

Enotron
08.27.10
porch: you mean like the users jom banned most recently?

bloc
08.27.10
I KNEW this was going to be an mx blog! Everything here sounds fantastic.

Prolapse
08.27.10
i stopped spamming

porch
08.27.10
eno: I won't name names, I like a couple of those guys but you know what i'm talking about. There's just too much pointless image spam. I wouldn't care if it was funny

Relinquished
08.27.10
"I might be unpopular for saying this but it'd be good if the mods started being a little stricter on idiotic spam in review threads. Lately there's been 4chan bullshit everywhere from the same few users"

I agree.

DoubtGin
08.27.10
i'm with you

CelestialDust
08.27.10
Allowing people to delete comments on their lists will have a huge impact. The incentive to be disrespectful is gone for fear of being marginalized. It's a big shift in power to respectful users.

Prolapse
08.27.10
you don't have to post here you know

fromtheinside
08.27.10
i wish people would read the description for what's actually going to be implemented.
people who contribute nothing to site beside off topic conversations about how they would have gay sex with X and Y prevent any prolific advancement from happening.

bloc
08.27.10
Neither do I. And with that said, I am particularly liking the part where mods will be able to track alts now.

Maniac!
08.27.10
of course they already could. A lot of people don't realize that their ip can be grabbed just by visiting the site, let alone making an account

FreePizzaDay
08.27.10
Great rules guys. Glad you addressed this.

mynameischan
08.27.10
they had to have posted in the forums to do an ip check i guess tho

bloc
08.27.10
I actually did not know this...

Deviant.
08.27.10
"forum regs dislike review site regs"

Thought we had something man

Maniac!
08.27.10
"they had to have posted in the forums to do an ip check i guess tho"


No.

Counterfeit
08.27.10
Yes.

mynameischan
08.27.10
i mean for the moderators to run the site-featured ip check

Tits McGee
08.27.10
FACT CHECKED

Maniac!
08.27.10
i mean for the moderators to run the site-featured ip check


that sounds more plausible

AnotherBrick
08.27.10
have you ever seen him comment on any lists? that's more of what that was directed to

Deviant.
08.27.10
I don't particularly have a problem with alts, its just when people start messing around with the site that its becomes annoying. Constant spam, joke reviews and early joke album ratings like "lololol this new A7X album redefines music". Thanks for taking a shit on people who are actually trying to make this site work guys

mynameischan
08.27.10
that's another thing

the majority of "regulars" go around posting unfunny IMG spam and regular spam and recycling the same exact jokes over and over and then when someone points out how fucking stupid it is, they say "fuck you u think ur so elite we're just havin fun hey check out this pic i made in MSpaint lol"

Winsomniac
08.27.10
Yup, I comment on lists like a troll from time to time. I also, however, know when to legitimately discuss music and not flame. The lists I make idiotic comments on generally deserve it. Or is it your assertion that mojolukasmojo and ShoeSoup are helpful contributors to the site?

Counterfeit
08.27.10
^ So true. I will admit to having done that though. Minus the whole "fuck you u think ur so elite we're just havin fun hey check out this pic i made in MSpaint lol" part. I usually just spam in threads no one gives two shits about.

AnotherBrick
08.27.10
lol winsomniac.

the list featuring sounds pretty sweet

Deviant.
08.27.10
"please stop this, dunno why shit like this bugs everyone so much, it's not like it's interfering with your personal life or anything"

It has nothing to do with anyone's personal life. But a lot of people (staff/mods/MX obviously) are doing the most they can to make Sputnik a legitimate source for news, information and music reviews. But of course all that can turn to custard when some idiot with more spare minutes than brain cells decides to post a 2 sentence review of Jane Doe that pretty much runs as follows: "Converge is a heavy band that I didn't use to like but now I do"

Go create a blog if you want to mess around, stop being detrimental to the sites growth

Winsomniac
08.27.10
Ommggg. The trolls have been so bad lately.

Very much agreed. I'm pretty sure there was a list yesterday where Pit (on an alt, of course) ONLY trash-talked another troll, and vice-versa.

East Hastings
08.27.10
Yeah Deviant. is probably the most down-to-earth guy on sputnik besides Willie, and he brings up good points. I just think there should be more moderation with things such as reviews or lists BEFORE they get posted. I understand that there's only a certain amount of mods on at a certain time, and it's a bit ridiculous to monitor everything that goes on, but it could be more of a user-integrated thing, with Contributors or Staff being able to look over something before it goes on the site and brings up a bitchfit from someone. Dunno really what I'm thinking though, sorry for the rant

Knott-
08.27.10
I would be game for a system which required one user or staff to approve new news/reviews/lists if they're clearly worthwhile and anything uncertain left to mods.

Dunno though.

Knott-
08.27.10
Not user, contributor. My bad.

bloc
08.27.10
That's a decent idea, strikey.

ThePalestMexican
08.27.10
Honestly some of the alts and non-music lists make this site more....well fun to be on. I know posting reviews and talking about music is the centermost, but it's like talking to that one guy who all you have in common are music tastes. It just gets awkward after a while.

Winsomniac
08.27.10
Yeah. It would also be very cool if a large vote(meaning an overwhelming majority in favor) could simply delete troll lists or reviews that get posted.

Deviant.
08.27.10
"spotted dev lolling. 26th of august at 9:56 pm"

You so far in the past

Also, stricter moderation wouldn't be needed if people just employed some common sense. Sadly.....

East Hastings
08.27.10
"Sadly...."
Is why we're suggesting it ;]

Knott-
08.27.10
Yeah and elections wouldn't be needed in the USA if nobody was a retarded hick.

ThePalestMexican
08.27.10
This is the internet Dev, there's no such thing as common sense.

SeaAnemone
08.27.10
I concur. it would be ok if the useless trolling was semi-funny but with rare exceptions
it isn't. And this is coming from a user who knows nothing he posts is funny... so for the most part I don't go out of my way to either act like an asshole or play little internet jokes on people. tbh some people make it hilarious, but idk there's too many unfunny people doing it soooooo yeah...

great idea with the featured lists. forum users seem cool enough, it's just weird posting there cause tbh they seem to all know a lot more than me about music idk I feel inferior : (

basically this is only gonna benefit users guys, it's pretty hard to complain.

Counterfeit
08.27.10
As long as we're complaining and discussing. How close are we too the user top 100 list?

SeaAnemone
08.27.10
PS - and to all the people saying "well the same music gets posted over and over!"

well, it doesn't have to be that way. instead of paying so so so much attention to trolls / social things on the site, learn a little more about music and expand because there's some really knowledgeable users and info on the site, some fantastic music. I try to, and I'm well-aware I haven't even scratched the tip of the iceberg

AmericnZero02
08.27.10
Good deal. I'm looking forward to fewer crappy lists/unnecessary posts.

bloc
08.27.10
"I...you....did you read my post?!"

Sorry East, but you know the idea always belongs to the higher ranking contributor ;)

Winsomniac
08.27.10
@Sea: But at the same time, I feel its precisely users who put themselves above others simply because of their musical knowledge that intimidates new users. I understand there's a lot of music out there, but users who would often be considered the authority on 'better' music often times put down others who enjoy music they deem inferior. As a whole, I feel the site is pretty closed-minded when it comes to differences in music taste.

theacademy
08.27.10
lol im soooooooooooooooo never going to have a list 'featured'

Poet
08.27.10
A tad late, but HOLY SHIT I LOVE YOU JEREMY!

AnotherBrick
08.27.10
dont worry academy. you'll always be featured in my heart

Counterfeit
08.27.10
Acad makes the best lists. itsa fact

bloc
08.27.10
"I haven't even scratched the tip of the iceberg"

Okay I'm sorry but I did laugh Sea.

"Also, stricter moderation wouldn't be needed if people just employed some common sense. Sadly....."

Some people just want to watch the world burn.



Deviant.
08.27.10
"I feel the site is pretty closed-minded when it comes to differences in music taste."

I got a Pendulum review featured on the front page of Sputnik, we're well past that

shrapnel
08.27.10
"stricter moderation wouldn't be needed if people just employed some common sense"

and if people would abide by the laws that have been set, we wouldn't need law enforcement

TMobotron
08.27.10
"I don't particularly have a problem with alts, its just when people start messing around with the site that its becomes annoying. Constant spam, joke reviews and early joke album ratings like "lololol this new A7X album redefines music". Thanks for taking a shit on people who are actually trying to make this site work guys"

I agree with this, and some things like the featured lists sounds cool, but...

"Lists that serve no other purpose but to start a discussion in the comments section."

These lists are honestly like the main reason I come to this site. It's like the one site I'm a part of that I actively contribute discussion too, and I love the format, and I love lists as areas of conversations. I love music more than most things, so the fact that it's a music site is the real reason I'm here of course, but I love the way things are now.

There's a reason I'm here and not one of the many MANY other possible forums, including the ones here. We all know about the forums, there's a reason we post here. It's the way we like it.

I hate to bitch without me knowing how this will turn out, because the forums COULD be implemented well. But I just have a feeling I will really dislike how this turns out. That being said, I have liked most of the changes that have been made recently, so good luck with making this work. I hope I like it.

Knott-
08.27.10
"As long as we're complaining and discussing. How close are we too the user top 100 list?"

Cogs are turning. Probably.

Knott-
08.27.10
"Lists that serve no other purpose but to start a discussion in the comments section."

This means discussions that aren't about music.

mynameischan
08.27.10
honestly if everyone read my new users list when they registered we wouldnt have these problems

Winsomniac
08.27.10
I'm not being sensitive about it; I think it's a relevant issue. It certainly intimidated me at first and kept me from making an account for a while.

@Dev: Haha, yes Pendulum! I saw that. What I'm talking about is how much flak I'd get for, say, liking The Acacia Strain over Converge. I just don't see it as a point of argument, but rather one of discussion. Who knows? Maybe I'm horribly mistaken.

SCREAM!
08.27.10
Chan, should permanently display that one on the front page

Counterfeit
08.27.10
i like mine better than chans, its updated for the modern sputniker.
*omg dont flame me*
but then again. i prolly only like it more cause it's mine.

mynameischan
08.27.10
site wasn't ready for the kevcore list yet

Electric City
08.27.10
well done jeremy

Aids
08.27.10
Thank God. I will finally be able to post a list without the same 4 or 5 dumbasses turning it into a discussion on troll 5s.

mynameischan
08.27.10
if people stopped saying things like "teh" and "moar liek" then this site would be a lot better

climactic
08.27.10
What if we have an alt, but don't use it to troll? Ban-worthy?

shrapnel
08.27.10
"What if we have an alt, but don't use it to troll? "
so what's the purpose of this alt?

illmitch
08.27.10
[quote]if people stopped saying things like "teh" and "moar liek" then this site would be a lot better[/quote]

also anyone who says "good album is good" and "needs moar opeth" needs to be shot

same with people who indicate their agreement with something by repeating it and saying [2] like on last.fm so fucking gay

mynameischan
08.27.10
yeah the "[adjective][noun] is [same adjective]" thing is awful

Counterfeit
08.27.10
goddamn. what did i do?

illmitch
08.27.10
also bulldog made an alt so he could post new reviews without people knowing it was him

lol

lol

Knott-
08.27.10
"same with people who indicate their agreement with something by repeating it and saying [2] like on last.fm"

why is this worse than just saying "agreed" don't understand

climactic
08.27.10
Most of the "moar" and "good album is good" stuff is 4chan memes. It's annoying but what're ya gonna do.

And like, an alt just to make lists or something. Bad?

Knott-
08.27.10
What do you mean by 'just to make lists' though? Why not post them on your regular account if they're not fucking stupid?

TheSpirit
08.27.10
Awesome news

Enotron
08.27.10
trolls are a problem. but scanning over this thread, there are quite a fair amount of sheep as far as following people like chan's opinion(not saying his is wrong, but some people follow the general consensus way too much). like i'm sure that some people in this thread who've interacted positively with enrique are now acting like they completely disassociate from trolls like him(still love you enrique, but you know).

yeah generic anti-conformist comment of the day blah blah blah

rasputin
08.27.10
mx, you've been 'discussing' review site/forum integration for a while now, I'm quite curious as to how you plan on eventually doing this, because from the way it looks it'll be almost impossible to assimilate two entirely seperate 'communities'. there are sometimes a few users who manage to become comfortable with the forums (talking about myself, as well as some other users i've seen recently), but on the whole there is this whole culture of the forums being full of 'elitists' which a lot of the 15 year olds on this side of the site can't handle. long story short, i don't think it can be done.

rasputin
08.27.10
frankie what r u even talking abt ur my fav

js saying that all the fags on this site will never be able to 'integrate'

i dont like posting on the reviews site much anymore anyway

Enotron
08.27.10
2muchket! i often browse your dubstep posts for recs on the forums, but i never check them out : /

rasputin
08.27.10
i think there are a fair few that would contribute good discussion, but for the most part yeah, they wouldn't know who anyone was talking about, get offended by austin or nick, get upset when someone made fun of every stupid thing they said, or just put off by brent or jaundice

Knott-
08.27.10
"but on the whole there is this whole culture of the forums being full of 'elitists' which a lot of the 15 year olds on this side of the site can't handle."

"u should get on that bro. And yeah I was getting at the same thing earlier berkay, no way would most of these guys be able to post in r&"

i'm 21 and i find the whole sub-culture look-how-fucking-cool-i-am attitude of the forums fucking stupid. it's the same as the moronic posts on the review site but with an added air of arrogance when actually it's just as retarded.

shrapnel
08.27.10
"all the fags on this site will never be able to 'integrate'"

yea cause those people are so much cooler and would have no problem integrating right?


rasputin
08.27.10
[quote]i'm 21 and i find the whole sub-culture look-how-fucking-cool-i-am attitude of the forums fucking stupid. it's the same as the moronic posts on the review site but with an added air of arrogance when actually it's just as retarded.[/quote]

see strikey that;s the thing - there is no 'look-how-fucking-cool-i-am attitude on the forums, which you would realise if you actually posted there, and what we're referring to is the fact that you THINK there is one, when in actual fact there isn't.

WeepingBanana
08.27.10
i didn't read through all these comment so i'm sorry if i'm repeating something someone already said:

bring journals back. spam is gonna happen whether you like it or not so just let that be the user's outlet

Knott-
08.27.10
well hopefully these new policies are a start to clearing up all that SHIT rasp

even when i joined there was nothing like the nonsense that goes on now and that was only 1.5 yrs ago

rasputin
08.27.10
[quote]but rasp you're coming in here saying things like

"they wouldn't know who anyone was talking about, get offended by austin or nick, get upset when someone made fun of every stupid thing they said, or just put off by brent or jaundice"

and then implying IT'S OK GUYS WE'RE COOL HONEST. the attitude alone is enough to put people off the idea.[/quote]

yeah, and the point is that if you're actually offended or put off by what an avatar says to you on an internet forum, perhaps you should seek enjoyment elsewhere. there are heaps of great posters on R&M, and even the ones I mentioned above are good fun, it's just they may not seem that way at first.

2muchket!
08.27.10
It's not a case of us forum regs being arrogant, it's a tight knit community in r&m and the average user has been posting for around about 5 years. 5 years worth of in jokes, and knowing personal details of other posters is difficult to integrate into. S'all I'm saying.

mynameischan
08.27.10
guys in r&m are a buncha assholes



rasputin
08.27.10
yah I remember hyperboleking, he was reasonably funny, not a 28 year old supposed phD student who got the kicks out of writiing absolotely shitty reviews on an internet site, and he also stopped when it was appropriate, instead of posting the same ctts review one hundred times

rasputin
08.27.10
[quote]well rasputin, the most arrogant person I've run into on this site is you. So I'm gonna want to interact with a bunch of people that YOU find cool?[/quote]

um, you find me arrogant? I don't even know who you are. if you ask anyoen who actually has had a discussion with me, I'm not as arrogant as you might think. but I will be a complete arsehole to someone who I don't even know and doubt I've ever spoken to who thinks he 'knows' me.

rasputin
08.27.10
plus I never once implied that you personally should interact with anyone, so my arrogance is probably deserved here considering your level of presumption

Knott-
08.27.10
"It's not a case of us forum regs being arrogant, it's a tight knit community in r&m and the average user has been posting for around about 5 years. 5 years worth of in jokes, and knowing personal details of other posters is difficult to integrate into. S'all I'm saying."

That's fair. But there's also a fair number of stupid references and bullshit on the review site. But you don't see anybody from over here saying things like "you guys just wouldn't UNDERSTAND US".

shrapnel
08.27.10
"I will be a complete arsehole to someone who I don't even know"

uh, yeah. thanks for making my point for me because that's exactly what happened

rasputin
08.27.10
'jk but that junkie guy is a little much

plus you have silverfang and adb'

do you mean retired? nah he's harmless, just listens to hardcore and bm all day long and is a little susceptible to various substances

2muchket!
08.27.10
Justin is probably one of the most knowledgable users, and he's hilarious when he's high.

PanasonicYouth
08.27.10
actually rasp isn't arrogant at all haha

this whole discussion is bogus as hell
both sides of the site have their issues

rasputin
08.27.10
'uh, yeah. thanks for making my point for me because that's exactly what happened'

good work cutting a sentence in half to try and prove your 'point'

'dude you've been on the site a month longer than me + my 9000 alts. it's been the same shit since at least 07.'

i was a lurker for much longer

and no it wasn't like this back, every single shitty user didn't have a dozen alt accounts

mynameischan
08.27.10
2009 and 2010 have been really really awful as far as trolls and unfunny spam

rasputin is very friendly also

Crysis
08.27.10
thread has turned into one huge debate

Electric City
08.27.10
guys point is the law is laid down now stop being dum

Enotron
08.27.10
a lot of trolling is probably due to a lot of users who are unemployed during the summer and have nothing better to do. well maybe not, but i don't remember it being this bad back in april/march.

rasputin
08.27.10
you are mitch

ben seni seviyorum, sen beni seviyormusun?

theacademy
08.27.10
"2009 and 2010 have been really really awful as far as trolls and unfunny spam"

ever think you guys are just getting older and/or getting girlfriends? its gotta be either that or boognish leaving.

shrapnel
08.27.10
"good work cutting a sentence in half to try and prove your 'point'"

well you did say "I will be a complete arsehole to someone who I don't even know" and I'm saying that from my interaction with you, you completely came off as an "arsehole"

mynameischan
08.27.10
no i think the userbase has gotten bigger and spam was left unchecked for too long and now it's out of hand

East Hastings
08.27.10
chan for mod

Crysis
08.27.10
"no i think the userbase has gotten bigger and spam was left unchecked for too long and now it's out of hand"

bingo

rasputin
08.27.10
'well you did say "I will be a complete arsehole to someone who I don't even know" and I'm saying that from my interaction with you, you completely came off as an "arsehole"'

which I clearly explained to be a result of people assuming I'm an arsehole because that's what 'everybody' thinks, and thinking they 'know' me. if you go up you'll see that before I even addressed you in this conversation, you had already labelled me as arrogant. have you ever spoken to me before? I certainly don't think I've spoken to you, and I think this is the first time I've ever seen your username. so shut the fuck up.

Enotron
08.27.10
idk just like in the beginning of this thread you seemed to think this was a bit of an overreaction and perhaps somewhat defendant of trolling, but now you're like leaning more like rasputin and saying that the site has gotten worse? meh, it's all trivial.

PanasonicYouth
08.27.10
well i mean yeah i think the mods are kind of overreacting but the site still needs a purge of all the useless users/trolls/alts (minus enrique)

there's a lot of cancerous shit around right now

KILL
08.27.10
could you track alts before? as every alt i made a while ago got auto banned

theacademy
08.27.10
they have always been able to track alts.

emilyyy
08.27.10
gonna need more mods to enforce the rules

probably a female mod too for diversity

ahem

acorncheese
08.27.10
- Lists that serve no other purpose but to start a discussion in the comments section.

Am I missing something here....?

Also, if I get banned because the account I made over four years ago got banned..........just don't fucking do it.

Deviant.
08.27.10
"yeah, and the point is that if you're actually offended or put off by what an avatar says to you on an internet forum, perhaps you should seek enjoyment elsewhere. there are heaps of great posters on R&M, and even the ones I mentioned above are good fun, it's just they may not seem that way at first."

Have to agree with Rasp on this. I don't really see why everyone has this adverse effect about "jumping in to the forums". All the users in there seem fine to me

fromtheinside
08.27.10
agreed, i don't understand the fear. if you have a sense of tolerance and aren't self conscious about every little remark things seem normal to me.

joshuatree
08.27.10
-I don't really see why everyone has this adverse effect about "jumping in to the forums"-

because most users make terrible first posts, like everyone, and they get made fun of and never post again instead of taking that shit like a fucking man

Deviant.
08.27.10
"because most users make terrible first posts, like everyone, and they get made fun of and never post again instead of taking that shit like a fucking man"

Yeah that's true, but its really no different than the review site lately

DiceMan
08.27.10
I wonder if they consider me a troll...

Jim
08.27.10
"because most users make terrible first posts, like everyone, and they get made fun of and never post again instead of taking that shit like a fucking man"

lol this. i made some godawful posts when i first went to the forums.

but nobody cares and you get over it.

Captain North
08.27.10
Great, once the forums are better integrated, I'll have no choice but to get a second account since this one, for whatever reason, is incapable of registering fully.

Intothepit
08.27.10
If you wanna get rid of the trolls, maybe it's time to clean house completely. Get rid of the arrogant staff members who feel it's their god-given right to do whatever they want on here. Stop with the favoritism for certain users and trolls, and start treating everyone equally on here.

Willie
08.27.10
That's just crazy talk.

Intothepit
08.27.10
I know. That's what you get from a crazy person.

Intothepit
08.27.10
I'm really specifically talking about a few staff members who will remain nameless.

Enotron
08.27.10
"i come here for music"

subtle trolling at its finest

Fort23
08.27.10
chan, elim, and scientists actually were funnier when they were part of the userbase.

nah offense guys. chan and elim were dicks tho too

Intothepit
08.27.10
It was okay for them to be dicks to you, but not for others to act like that. You could be the nicest guy in the world on here and still get shit from staff members.

Fort23
08.27.10
yeah and i get that too. they were dicks before they were on staff and they got away with it. but again this had more to do with the quality of the dicking.

Inveigh
08.27.10
I think we all know that the real problem with Sputnik is the shrinking of the middle class. A lot of the more veteran users aquired a bunch of "Sputnik cred" as the site grew and thus became wealthy in the currency of sputnik (elitism, buttfucking complicity etc.) and withdrawn from the lowly "n00bs." The noobs, irate over comprising approximately 75% of the population yet only 25% of the Sputnik cred, began to express their displeasure through the creation of alts, spam and general stupidity across every thread on the site. The wealthy retreated to the forums, and lawlessness ran rampant.

I think the obvious end point here is the same end point that every society (real, or incredibly electronic and nerdy like this one) gets to when the middle class disappears and the gap between rich and poor has reached the breaking point: REVOLUTION.


....who's with me?

BigHans
08.27.10
Viva La Resistance!

I don't mind some of these changes, although Mods locking lists mgiht be a problem. I had a "whos the most metal user" list yesterday that got locked even though it wasn't getting trolled.

Anyway I'm fine with the alts thing too, I confessed mine the other day before this anyway.

Maniac!
08.27.10
@inveigh

tl;dr

I say we just kill the staff members, take their positions, and turn sputnik into myspace 3.0

Fort23
08.27.10
whoaa okay ninth grade history teacher.

"Two of those people were never on staff."

yeah i realize that, but back in the day elim just blended in with the staff crowd that people like me didn't really notice. and iare is a chill kid.

Maniac!
08.27.10
jk. I read it. I still think we should plot assassinations

Terrifyer
08.27.10
lol people thinking the staff have a secret agenda

MJ is gone but his retardation still lives on it seems...

Inveigh
08.27.10
wait who seriously thinks they have a secret agenda?

TheSpirit
08.27.10
glad about these changes...trolls are getting to be way too ridiculous and unfunny

Fort23
08.27.10
"He might have blended in with the other people who weren't on staff that you thought were staff but apart from Chan and John, who are only recent staff members, he never really associated with any of them.

Just saying, if you thought anybody who had nothing better to do than make millions of posts was a staff member when we can't really do anything to counteract that, short of banning anyone except staff members from making lots of posts and therefore looking somehow experienced or staff-like.

I mean yeah there are staff members who are abrasive and not very welcoming and I yell at them for it, but at the same time I'm not their mommy and all I can really do is withhold sex until they fall back in line. And I have needs."

kind of just blew my mind man.

Gmork89
08.27.10
These rules are going to get rid of a lot of headaches.

Intothepit
08.27.10
I don't think there's a "hidden agenda" at all. I just believe the favoritism some staff members show to certain users(and trolls) is a bit out of hand. I used to think a troll is a troll, and that troll should be eliminated. Now it's okay to be a troll on Sputnik, as long as you're funny? That's ridiculous.

Iluvatar
08.27.10
dave ive been on staff since the end of 2006, im not 'recent' staff D=

Fort23
08.27.10
no its not. thats what used to separate sputnik from all those other gayass sites. we badass

Iluvatar
08.27.10
also staff members have no actual power over naything on the site, so why shouldnt they like users more? we're just users with an official title and affiliation to the site.

Enotron
08.27.10
it's so epic when iluvatar breaks out of his shell and posts a comment!

Fort23
08.27.10
you get free cds too.

Iluvatar
08.27.10
dont worry guys i think im about to slip into a deep depression and post on sputnik more again

time to show these tricks what a real mxer is made of!!!

Enotron
08.27.10
iluvatar's reviews were the first I came across on sputnik, his posts too for that matter

so yeah now i have a crazy secret obsession with him that is now not so secret

Gyromania
08.27.10
no more trolls, sounds good

Gyromania
08.27.10
yeah, i just saw it for the first time today too.

Nagrarok
08.27.10
This was needed real bad.

Intothepit
08.27.10
Anyone else relate this to the principal of your elementary school coming into to scold the children?

Counterfeit
08.27.10
Sort of. Everyone will have their act together for about a week. But then everything will be mayhem again.

GulliKyro
08.28.10
I can see the reasoning behind the owners planned changes (the Professionalization of the frontage) but from a detacted viewing perch I'm not sure how they'll manage it without a night of the long knifes approach.

Either way good luck to them hopefully they arrive at a result they find acceptable.

iamnotchan
08.28.10
I am unfamiliar with these "trolls" you speak of

Athom
08.28.10
i think it's interesting that some of my favorite users that have contributed heaps to the site used this to very logically lay out the case against the more recent bombardment of what a majority see as a trolling/spam/shitty users problem while the users that the aforementioned people usually have a problem with used this thread to be idiots. also, shut the fuck up Inveigh. i like you but jesus christ, that whole TMF needs to die.

Transient
08.28.10
r&m is actually really easy to post in if you're not stupid. the pit though, that's another story.

Yeahtoast
08.28.10
All this sounds pretty cool

Prolapse
08.28.10
i wish i was around when this site was "good

thebhoy
08.29.10
well being here since 2007, the site hasn't really changed that much since my join date if you just ignore the stupid trolls, which is really easy actually, in fact it blows my mind that Jeremy has to even post something like this because people are so retarded and pathetic as to troll in the first place. But then again I shouldn't be that shocked.

Poet
08.29.10
I disagree and think that the site has changed a lot since 07. The trolls are now worse actually; Hyperboleking, Tribestos, and ilikmusicthatsucks were funny sometimes and even contributed with their music tastes. It's really annoying now and has been for close to a year.

Plus I miss people saying they were going to shut down the site and take over the world.

SeaAnemone
08.29.10
I'm going to shut down the site and take over the world.

Poet
08.29.10
Not gonna believe it until you crash the server and make a bigillion news threads.

Phantom
08.29.10
yeah this site is pretty balls now

theacademy
08.29.10
i like how everybody thinks they're so valuable/integral to the site when the users who really keep the site going keep such a low profile: no klapper on this thread. look how long it took for redsky to show up. where's jared ponton? how 'bout daveyboy? everyone else shut up + be moar liek Waior.

SeaAnemone
08.29.10
I rarely agree w/ academy but nice post.

Counterfeit
08.29.10
acads a genius when he wants to be

Motiv3
08.29.10
tbh i dont mind the trolls and the off topic lists but sometimes they do get a bit ridiculous and out of hand. So yeah, i won't miss it.

Zion
08.29.10
Awesome, thanks for these changes mx and other mods/staff. Will definitely help keep things in order. Now just give us the option to actually delete posts from our shoutbox, every time I click delete, when I refresh the messages are back. That's where I generally get trolled.

HighandDriving
08.30.10
Don't integrate the forum and review site; we work hard to keep the lot of you out.

kount
08.30.10
its too late, some have come

2muchket!
08.30.10
backing hnd

alachlahol
08.30.10
RetiredAt21 calls me a faggot a lot in the R&M forum

HighandDriving
08.30.10
This means you SeaAnemone

We don't wantcha.

2muchket!
08.30.10
if justin calls you a fag, idk you prolly are.

HighandDriving
08.30.10
Justin calls me non-elite, ME.

Just imagine all the awful things he'll call you guys. You guys don't wanna subject yourself to that, trust me.

2muchket!
08.30.10
that's cus ur a try hard bro

HighandDriving
08.30.10
No, it's cause Justin's jelly.

Iluvatar
08.30.10
nah its cause no one likes you there

2muchket!
08.30.10
His and mappy's arguements are amazing. They truly are in an abusive e-marriage.

alachlahol
08.30.10
how does it feel to be hated by everyone u know

HighandDriving
08.30.10
I'm gonna make a "best mappycore albums list" soon. Gonna be bomb.

Iluvatar - Not that many like you either, probably cause your a say anything loving faggot.

alachlahol
08.30.10
he should hang out in the punk forum then

Oceanus
08.31.10
I've been following the site for a number of years and I agree that lately the spam/unfunny has grown to a point where I hesitate to visit. I respect most of the staff and contributors and think it is great that steps are continually being taken to legitimize the site as well as preserve the community. And honestly, the forums are harmless, so I don't understand what the fuss is (and has been) about.

Iluvatar
08.31.10
most people like me in r&m just justin like to bitch at me because everytime i post its to call him or silverfang idiots

Iluvatar
08.31.10
iluvatar caveman grunt

Winsomniac
08.31.10
You have a caveman grunt?

Iluvatar
08.31.10
its a song im writing

DiceMan
08.31.10
A brief manifesto on lists & Iluvatars.

Transient
08.31.10
surprised people take anything justin says seriously

SeaAnemone
08.31.10
justin's from the same town as me, but I'd be terrified to see him in public

TheSpirit
08.31.10
I'm from PA too let's party

SeaAnemone
08.31.10
you're not from the Amish part are you? I am.

Inveigh
08.31.10
"also, shut the fuck up Inveigh. i like you but jesus christ, that whole TMF needs to die. "

I think you took my comment way too seriously, and the anger is just unnecessary.

BigHans
08.31.10
TMF doesn't hurt anybody. I honestly didn't think anyone paid attention to it. And Redsky, if you don't like TMF you shouldnt talk like the founder (the shut the fuck up comment)

SeaAnemone
08.31.10
you guys are really annoying, collectively. along with Maniac. especially when you get goin on little streaks and take over the comments section and most lists just dicking around.

ok im leaving the thread

TheSpirit
08.31.10
Nah i live in Plymouth Meeting area but I am in Lancaster alot...

Counterfeit
08.31.10
speaking of dicking around lists, when are we getting don't get married reasons part 2 Hans?

BigHans
08.31.10
nobody forces you to read those lists Sea. By the way99% of my lists are awesome. Just because Maniac isnt as cool doesnt mean you should single him out.

BigHans
08.31.10
Feit, Ill save that for when Im in a really shitty mood.

Counterfeit
08.31.10
haha okaayyy.

alachlahol
08.31.10
Seaanemone is more referring to the fact that you guys as a group shit out spam lists forcing everyone else's shit off the front page. the conversations on these shit lists also take up most of the comments section with useless dribble that could be placed in the forums

BigHans
08.31.10
Unless Im going senile, most of our conversations take place in a single list, which yes, we bombard. Unless of course Maniac does his typical "copy me or Pits list." Sorry Brandon, you know I love you.

Inveigh
08.31.10
listen, I'm not going to take some holier-than-thou approach to this and act like I make this site awesome or that nothing I do has the ability to annoy people -- but there are quite a few users on this site (usually more prominent, or "known" users) who do have that attitude. and to me, that's even more annoying that someone spamming up a Deftones thread or some shit.

Inveigh
08.31.10
alachlahol: I've been a member for over a year and I only have like 45 lists or something, I do like one a week. If that forces someone off the front page, I'm sorry.

TRMshadow
08.31.10
Good to know, I ran across the comment blockage thing last night and was a little confused. Happy to see you're tracking trolls better though

Prolapse
08.31.10
agreed about your first comment inveigh, so true

Counterfeit
08.31.10
"someone spamming up a Deftones thread or some shit."

You watch your tongue, boy

Enotron
08.31.10
123 with inveigh's first comment. can't stress how much i agree with that.

alachlahol
08.31.10
i'm commenting on what i see. i don't know how much spam you put out as an individual. that's why i said "you guys as a group"

BigHans
08.31.10
Feit and Maniac are the worst spammers, lol, and they are honorary members because of their age. Yeah, Pit can get his spam on when he's having a bi-polar day. Most of the rest of us don't, at least to my knowledge.

TRMshadow
08.31.10
Viva la sputni-lucion!!!

porch
08.31.10
There should be a limit on the amount of lists each user can make per week, that would solve some of the problems. The list feature idea is a good addition though.

Prolapse
08.31.10
And i hate when people say shit like "you're a worthless user", that really grinds my gears

Counterfeit
08.31.10
i kindasorta, okay i make a lot of fucking lists. but only when im bored. or some random shit pops into my mind. and yes hans, i can get my spam on. a lot.

Enotron
08.31.10
and as much as it pains me to say it, the group of users who worship the ground that members like redsky walk on and in return act like dicks to regular users are a lot worse than tmf. though I won't name names.

alachlahol
08.31.10
go outside and play some frisbee

alachlahol
08.31.10
instead of spending your life posting stupid shit

Counterfeit
08.31.10
hard to do shiz when your friends live outside of walking distance, and you dont have your license,

alachlahol
08.31.10
blah blah learn guitar or something fuck dude don't need your friends to do something self-rewarding

Prolapse
08.31.10
i hate people who assume things alachlahol

kount
08.31.10
rushing home from school to post a sputnik list

Counterfeit
08.31.10
uhh. but i enjoy posting here. why not do it if i enjoy it? sorry if i annoy you, but it's not really my problem.

BigHans
08.31.10
Masturbate. Profusely.

alachlahol
08.31.10
if you enjoy it then keep it up. you're the one giving me excuses why you're on here all the time instead of doing other shit

Prolapse
08.31.10
i've cut down

Enotron
08.31.10
if i was in counterfeit's situation, i would probably just do drugs and watch movies. and masturbate profusely.

Prolapse
08.31.10
why, what productive shit do you do alachlahol?

Enotron
08.31.10
johnny, pretty sure he's addressing counterfeit

Counterfeit
08.31.10
i gave you one reason. it's not like im here trying to convince everyone i have a life or something.

@eno and hans. already do ;)
but too poor for teh drugs.

Fort23
08.31.10
hahaha people worship redsky? i remember when that niglet had like five comments...

Prolapse
08.31.10
yeah i know but it's still annoying me

Enotron
08.31.10
i remember when i had my first beer

porch
08.31.10
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_l80t1kgyMB1qd37u4o1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1283361509&Signature=J/lG62K1rKCJ0ZSkkK2g7OPjfec%3D

Prolapse
08.31.10
i remember me first meth pipe, awe shucks, memories

Fort23
08.31.10
i remember when iluvatar first took it in the rear

Counterfeit
08.31.10
lol porch, saw that earlier. so funny.

AnotherBrick
08.31.10
oh man. this blog post has turned everyone against each other

Counterfeit
08.31.10
by the time everyone stops caring about this, Brick will love Enrique.

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