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Epilogue
February 25th 2008


1591 Comments


Into the Infinity of Thoughts is so epic...love it.

Wizard
February 25th 2008


19523 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Damn that sucks. You can barely hear what's going on.

I thought the same way when I first listen to this album. It grows and after a while, you can even pick apart the instruments too!

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Altmer
February 25th 2008


5652 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

that's what BM is supposed to sound like

Metalikane
February 25th 2008


851 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Why is that? I have always wondered why the "true" black metal bands preferred the worst sounding recordings possible. I know that it has something to do with their ideals, but I just don't see how a nearly inaudible recording can help in conveying a message. Maybe the intended bleakness of the music is supposed to be enhanced by the bleakness of the recording? I don't know. Maybe one day it'll click with me. Does anyone know the first bm band to employ this style of recording?

Altmer
February 25th 2008


5652 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

it was more the proto-bm bands like celtic frost, bathory, venom, but they didn't do it out of idealism but more lack of budget iirc

Metalikane
February 25th 2008


851 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

So then the other bm bands took that as intentional, and decided to adopt the style for themselves?

Epilogue
February 25th 2008


1591 Comments


I thought BM bands wanted to be more "necro"...

it was more the proto-bm bands like celtic frost, bathory, venom,

Dude, those are Black Metal bands, besides Celtic Frost and Bathory for a few releases. That was the first wave, bands like Emperor, Darkthrone, Immortal, etc. are the second wave.

FR33L0RD
February 25th 2008


1464 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

I prefer later Emperor works and doesnt care about the labelling of black metal (pure black metal, modern black, prog black, melodic black, death/black). If i like it, thats what important after all.This Message Edited On 02.26.08

Hawks
March 11th 2008


35838 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

One of the most well known Black Metal albums and also one of the best. Inno A Satana rules.

Foodforthegods
April 18th 2008


425 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I'm listening to it right now. This is so fucking scary. I love it. Take a walk in the street at 3 A.M. during the night...this is so cool. You'll feel the power of the music.

Hawks
April 18th 2008


35838 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Too bad that this album and the one after this were the only really good ones they put out.

istaros
April 22nd 2008


310 Comments


i actually like the singing on "Gypsy" :p but that's probably because i've also been into ethnic music and power metal for a while, both of which the singing on that track reminds me of

Altmer
April 22nd 2008


5652 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I really don't consider Venom to be BM, Venom is thrash imo.

Wizard
April 22nd 2008


19523 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

I certainly see that too with Venom, but popular interpretation of Venom dictates they are black metal. Can't argue with generalized logic hahahaha.

Hawks
April 22nd 2008


35838 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

They are only considered Black Metal because they were the ones who made that term up. If Venom is considered a Black Metal band, they're one of the worst bands in the genre.

Eakflanderyof
April 22nd 2008


2143 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Venom is hardly even thrash tbh. Their old stuff that was labeled black metal is almost just hard rock with boring riffs.

Hawks
April 22nd 2008


35838 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Yeah. Either way...they suck.

istaros
April 22nd 2008


310 Comments


Venom's relationship to the black metal genre is more or less the same as that of [Ozzy era] Black Sabbath's to doom metal & sludge, or Slayer's to death metal. they're not really part of the genre, stylistically, but the genre wouldn't have formed as it has without their direct influence. Venom's stuff, genre-wise, is pretty typical, uninspired, undemanding heavy metal. they just happened to name that one album, "Black Metal". but, they also just happened to be doing talentless music in the right place at the right time, so it became influential. they do suck, but, they were significant. that's the only reason they keep getting mentioned. Mercyful Fate would be another, if more understandable, example. not really black metal, but formative of the genre(although they were certainly much closer to the black metal sound than Venom was).

and to answer the question, Metalikane, yeah, other bands heard the shitty production that was done by those bands out of necessity, and replicated it themselves by choice. i've never cared for it, it's a stupid way to preserve "authenticity" if you ask meThis Message Edited On 04.22.08

Hawks
April 22nd 2008


35838 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

I wish Mercyful Fate would get more credit for helping to invent Black Metal. Mostly all people talk about Venom, but like we both said Venom sucks. Mercyful Fate is great. Especially Melissa and Don't Break The Oath.

istaros
April 22nd 2008


310 Comments


i think the most accurate way of putting it, would be to say that Venom created the atmosphere of black metal. the surface aesthetic, from the spikes and hail-satan lyricism to the basic musical elements like tremolo picking, having the same several riffs repeated a million times, and so on. whereas bands like Mercyful Fate and Celtic Frost went the next step and introduced the actual musical frameworks that became archetypal of the genre - epic melodies, abnormally long songs, complex harmonic structures, etc.

musically, one could say that Venom's biggest impact was stripping traditional heavy metal down to its most basic, ugly elements. their lack of technical skill forced their songs to be expressions of atavism. primitive and simple. shoving music into the gutter and burning down everything that made it conventionally enjoyable or admirable. which gave all those other bands room to expand on that primeval sound in ways that made it enjoyable and admirable all over again, but in a manner completely alien to what mainstream rock had been putting forth for nearly half a century.

which is why i say Venom, despite how little i actually *enjoy* their songs, was an absolutely necessary step in black metal's birthing process. without that destruction, nothing could have been rebuilt.This Message Edited On 04.22.08



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