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Toad
November 27th 2016


4063 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

still waiting for you to clearly define what hip-hop is because google won't tell me in a satisfying manner

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Rowan5215
Contributing Reviewer
November 27th 2016


37744 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5 | Sound Off

lmao you're really good at just throwing extended sentences of words that vaguely work as insults instead of actually discussing this stuff



what about 4th Chamber by GZA?

LordePots
November 27th 2016


35777 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

"ok well i am not getting it, could you please try to explain"



think jazz vs jazz fusion



im talkin mobb deep im talkin tribe, gang starr, arrested development, black sheep, black moon, the roots, artifacts, InI, bahamadia etc

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LordePots
November 27th 2016


35777 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

"lmao you're really good at just throwing extended sentences of words that vaguely work as insults instead of actually discussing this stuff"



>sentences of words



sentences. of. words.



shocking stuff rowmantha.



"what about 4th Chamber by GZA?"



the barely audible background 10 seconds of distorted guitar at the end? actually that is good example thanks for finally contributing something not entirely insufferable



Toad
November 27th 2016


4063 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

ok so i think i'm getting a little clearer

hip hop is meant to refer specifically to a culture, the culture of late 70's - 80's black and hispanic america that was also wrapped up in graffiti art and breakdancing. hip-hop music is essentially an mc rapping over a sample-based beat constructed by a dj. i guess what i'm still not clear on is what limitations the dj or producer faces in constructing a pure hip-hop instrumental.

Toad
November 27th 2016


4063 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

i do get how drake is "not hip hop" because he is so separated from the culture of origin

LordePots
November 27th 2016


35777 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

"still waiting for you to clearly define what hip-hop is because google won't tell me in a satisfying manner"



i dunno dude this just reeks of our 'pop' conversation again i really don't know what to tell you like it just seems like common sense to me like bathory is straight up black metal and alcest definitely is not...

Ryus
November 27th 2016


13008 Comments


i might be mistaken but doesn't brand nubian's one for all have a lot of guitar

Toad
November 27th 2016


4063 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

"still waiting for you to clearly define what hip-hop is because google won't tell me in a satisfying manner"

i've actually moved on from this and am trying to formulate what exactly makes something hip-hop bc it's not something that i know off the top of my head so i'm doing some research and thinking on that now and sharing my thoughts

as far as the pop conversation goes i was thinking in a non-productive manner that was driven by a fundamentally false argument, apologies for that

LordePots
November 27th 2016


35777 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

"hip hop is meant to refer specifically to a culture, the culture of late 70's - 80's black and hispanic america that was also wrapped up in graffiti art and breakdancing. hip-hop music is essentially an mc rapping over a sample-based beat constructed by a dj. i guess what i'm still not clear on is what limitations the dj or producer faces in constructing a pure hip-hop instrumental."



pretty nicely put tbh but again like i think if you have a trained ear in any genre you can pretty easily tell the differences between genres at their core, base value between takes on them that have evolved to incorporate a vast array of other genres into new sub genres

LordePots
November 27th 2016


35777 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

"i might be mistaken but doesn't brand nubian's one for all have a lot of guitar"



yeah they do. so does slum village. not shitty distorted electric rock guitar tho which is wat im talking about.

Ryus
November 27th 2016


13008 Comments


ah okay

Rowan5215
Contributing Reviewer
November 27th 2016


37744 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5 | Sound Off

"words that vaguely work as insults" was the rest of that, but I'm not surprised you stopped reading once you thought of something you could throw at me, that seems to be your MO



so since I proved you wrong with an example and you agreed I guess I win? guess we should just end this here before we argue about even more meaningless bullshit than this. pce

Toad
November 27th 2016


4063 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

"pretty nicely put tbh but again like i think if you have a trained ear in any genre you can pretty easily tell the differences between genres at their core, base value between takes on them that have evolved to incorporate a vast array of other genres into new sub genres"

i agree, in this case i haven't listened extensively enough for that to be second-nature so i'm trying to construct that understanding in a language-based construct, specific rules/elements/patterns etc.

LordePots
November 27th 2016


35777 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

"so since I proved you wrong with an example and you agreed I guess I win? guess we should just end this here before we argue about even more meaningless bullshit than this. pce"



because you contributed 10 seconds where distorted electric guitar works when it is as minimal and unsubstantial to the mix as humanly possible? the only thing i concede to here is that if its applied like that it can work. i still have yet to hear of an example that is anything like how it is applied on this and new de la soul that isn't cringey af so not really. and you know rowan thats really not my MO but I find it really hard to have a pleasant discussion with you when the first thing you even do is roll in here trying to chew on my nuts in your very first comment so that really falls on you buddy. sometimes you can be an alright guy but the vast majority of the time you're a salty goof and i dont respect you so i dont know how you expect me to treat your comments with anything other than dismissal, especially when the best you can offer is running away with your tail between your legs after you feel you've said enough to feel special and important.

FullOfSounds
November 27th 2016


11429 Comments


Tooooad hey man just as curious as me getting into genres

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LordePots
November 27th 2016


35777 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

"i agree, in this case i haven't listened extensively enough for that to be second-nature so i'm trying to construct that understanding in a language-based construct, specific rules/elements/patterns etc."



it really is hard to describe root genres, music is an entirely different language than what is spoken. i often struggle to put it into succinct terms without being well its like this ~plays example~ versus this ~plays different example~

Toad
November 27th 2016


4063 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

@FOS cheeeeers

right now i'm just making my way through red house painters and slowcore but that's way easier to define as a genre than hip-hop

FullOfSounds
November 27th 2016


11429 Comments


There are a lot of classics I haven't jammed yet so I'm still quite the noob on how hip hop works in depth

LordePots
November 27th 2016


35777 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

its a lot easier to describe sub genres but then u always rely on using the root genre as a base value like describing atmospheric bm is a lot easier than describing bm but its not easy to describe without assuming the person you're describing it to knows what you mean when you say bm





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