Dustin Kensrue The Water and The Blood
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TheSupernatural
October 1st 2013


1271 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0 | Sound Off

The problem with gospel music isn't the message, it's that the music sucks. Dustin has said as much ultimate occasions.

I don't understand the argument that gospel music should be judged differently because the entire purpose is to praise God. How come that doesn't apply with other types of music, like radio rock (Nickelback and Daughtry), where the entire purpose of the music is commercial success?

If music is judged by what its purpose is, then I might have to think every rating I've ever given. However, if music is judged based on objective criteria that doesn't deviate much between genres, I fail to see how gospel music could be considered good music.

Edit: Can't figure out the formatting for these comments. And I checked out "The Voice of the Lord." That is the type of song that I wanted form this album. Might end up rating this higher after a full listen

TheSupernatural
October 1st 2013


1271 Comments

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Okay, I should have been more specific: contemporary pop/rock gospel. Most of the songs you posted are decent songs that were written well before this century.

americanohno
October 1st 2013


1601 Comments


Well then it's not called gospel it's called "Contemporary Christian Music" or "Praise and Worship" and yeah it mostly fucking sucks. I think The Welcome Wagon do a good job at it but yeah that's about it.


thecolorbrown
October 1st 2013


72 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

There are definitely some bands these that break the stereotypes of Contemporary Christian Music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iG2wUL1vTY (screaming at the end)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mafFs2zXC8 (this features Dustin Kensrue near the end)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3O_pAOiGuo (resembles M83)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTjm1BxDhyk (check out the guitar/cello duet at the end)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gya-ajyEhB0

There are some really talented musicians have been making music that defies the stereotypes of CCM songs. Unfortunately, they aren't really getting the attention they deserve. I would put Kensrue's album right with these. It's good music that isn't horrible lyrically, or really good lyrics with crappy music. Usually all we find is one of those two

americanohno
October 1st 2013


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Yeah I was probably too harsh on that style of music. You can't really judge a genre or whatever based only on its mainstream. I really liked the Digital Age and Ascend the Hill songs and they certainly seem to take the art seriously and aren't just trying to sell me Jesus.

I really think Welcome Wagon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcwGAuWm3Lk
and Woven Hand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEBOO5zM3vM
do a great job at this aswell.

And although I never was fond of Switchfoot Jon Foreman's got a song called "Instead of a Show" that's really great.

thecolorbrown
October 2nd 2013


72 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

All 4 of his eps are fantastic. There isn't a song on any of those eps that I don't absolutely love.

Dustin Kensrue actually covered a song from one of Jon Foreman's eps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfY6ft-H3bM

not nearly as good as the original though...

thecolorbrown
October 2nd 2013


72 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

and probably the most talented Christian musician there is, Phil Keaggy. I could watch him perform for days http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c5ba3QqSXA

IslamicPenguins
October 2nd 2013


72 Comments

Album Rating: 1.5

This did nothing for me and his psychopathic lyrics really just stopped me from even giving it another shot

thecolorbrown
October 2nd 2013


72 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

^ That's really interesting. What are some lyrics that seemed psychopathic to you? I'm not trying to argue, I'm actually really curious. I didn't get that vibe at all

TheSupernatural
October 2nd 2013


1271 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0 | Sound Off

I think he's saying Dustin isn't another Islamic penguin...

RogueNine
October 2nd 2013


1365 Comments


That's about what I gathered.

Emim
October 2nd 2013


26666 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Okay, I should have been more specific: contemporary pop/rock gospel. Most of the songs you posted are decent songs that were written well before this century.


I don't understand the argument that gospel music should be judged differently because the entire purpose is to
praise
God. How come that doesn't apply with other types of music, like radio rock (Nickelback and Daughtry), where the
entire purpose of the music is commercial success?



wat

Emim
October 2nd 2013


26666 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Yeah he has pretty terrible arguments.

Emim
October 2nd 2013


26666 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

If music is judged by what its purpose is, then I might have to think every rating I've ever given. However, if music
is judged based on objective criteria that doesn't deviate much between genres, I fail to see how gospel music could be
considered good music.


Just his reducing hundreds of years of worship music to inanity because he doesn't personally connect with the lyrics, all while promoting objective criteria for album critique. Doesn't make much sense to me.

Emim
October 2nd 2013


26666 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

To be fair he seems to mostly hold that regard for the pop-rock contemporary stuff, but still.

thecolorbrown
October 2nd 2013


72 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I think in a lot of ways music IS analyzed based on whatever medium it was made for. Whether or not you like Nickelback or Daughtry's aesthetic when it comes to lyricism, musical innovation, or album framework, you have to acknowledge that All The Right Reasons was a chart-topper and had 5 songs in the top 20 on the charts. In terms of commercial success, it is one of the greatest albums of all time. In terms of any other criteria, it is not.

Calc
October 2nd 2013


12299 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

great doesn't mean successful. you're twisting the meaning of the word. the word great either implies quality or an amount (I have a great interest in that). saying an album is the greatest when talking about sales doesn't make sense.

Digging: Mr. Oizo - The Church

Emim
October 2nd 2013


26666 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

You're still tripping me out with that avatar, Calc. Every time I'm like, "I don't remember posting tha-----oh."

Calc
October 2nd 2013


12299 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

lol i told you i'd get rid of it too, i forgot.

Emim
October 2nd 2013


26666 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Get Hobbes instead



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