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anarchistfish
April 25th 2013


25157 Comments


a founding principle of communism is control over the way people live their lives.

ok I'm done arguing with you

It's now clear you just have absolutely no fucking idea what you're going on about.

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bodiesinflight57
April 25th 2013


870 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

@ fish.



I agree with you, yes, it is possible to separate the two. What it would not be possible to do is run a country on purely libertarian principles without some form of extreme economic liberalism. That's the point I've been making, not that libertarianism = economic liberalism, in any way.



I don't agree that in the US the term is more defined economically than elsewhere. I think the tendency of US libertarians to get sucked into economic liberal principles arises from the liberal economic values that are at the heart of the United States already and have been since its inception. I think that's combining two things.



I think we all know that communism doesn't work because people ain't no good (to quote Cave). Sad though that may be.

SeaAnemone
April 25th 2013


21395 Comments


I think you guys are on the same page and are just arguing over semantics at this point.
stop.

what this thread really needs is HilaryClitTounge and his two poli sci bachelors lol.

Kris.
April 25th 2013


13056 Comments


hilary woudlnt touch this with a 10 foot pole
not enough beatz n rapz

bodiesinflight57
April 25th 2013


870 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

@ fish.



If you don't think that communism, i.e. the creation of a classless social structure, involves some

idea of control over people's lives then someone needs to help you. In order to stop some people being

better off than others (i.e. in order to stop class) you need to have some control over people's

lives. Please explain how you think it would be possible to implement communism otherwise. I am really

very intrigued.



EDIT: Restarting the entire world (unfortunately) isn't an option.

SeaAnemone
April 25th 2013


21395 Comments


bodies:
well yeah initially it needs a ton of control over people's lives but fish is probably referring to the end goal where the government completely dissolves
see: semantics and misunderstanding

bodiesinflight57
April 25th 2013


870 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Yeah I get you Sea, I totally agree with you.



Personally I would say that it is impossible to retain the end goal of communism without some retained governmental control anyway, because of most people being so untrustworthy and incapable of resisting some form of superiority, but that's beside the point really.

bodiesinflight57
April 25th 2013


870 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Back to my previous question: What song does 'Plain Sailing Weather' really remind me of? I need to know!!!

bodiesinflight57
April 25th 2013


870 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Also, in case anyone is unaware, you can watch Frank playing live in London, erm, live here ( http://www.youtube.com/user/frankturner ) in five minutes time.

mynameischan
Emeritus
April 25th 2013


17960 Comments

Album Rating: 4.6

ya i'm excited



gonna be seeing him in a month or so too, i am happy to see him play with his band, since when i saw him before it was a solo performance (which was awesome, but the sleeping souls are such a great band)

bodiesinflight57
April 25th 2013


870 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Yeah the solo performances are cool but I think the band have the edge nowadays. Just makes it more rocking (if possible).



Hoping for not too much TDH material though obviously haha!

Kris.
April 25th 2013


13056 Comments


why the shit didn't i bring my headphones to work today

wabbit
April 25th 2013


7057 Comments


I'm seeing him once this summer with the band and then in the fall solo.


Hopefully we will hangout again since I rawk.


I will be sad since we talked for a while and had a good conversation but he won't remember me

bodiesinflight57
April 25th 2013


870 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

I've been there man, I've been there. Obviously he just meets SO many people though because he's so accessible.

mynameischan
Emeritus
April 25th 2013


17960 Comments

Album Rating: 4.6

good show



he played 'a decent cup of tea' per fan request and it was awesome

Sanders
April 25th 2013


2409 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

"ya i'm excited



gonna be seeing him in a month or so too, i am happy to see him play with his band, since when i saw him before it was a solo performance (which was awesome, but the sleeping souls are such a great band)"



Seeing him a couple of nights ago was incredible; the sleeping souls tore the stage apart. You won't be disappointed

Gyromania
April 26th 2013


20802 Comments


good review. i don't seem to be as into this as everyone else, but maybe it'll open up to me with a few more listens

NoFro
April 26th 2013


19 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I met Frank a couple of times a few years back when there weren't many people at his shows and meeting him was as easy as anything. My friend has met him many more times, having seen him at least twice as much as me in those early days, and became recognisable to Frank which I thought was quite an achievement.

EaglesBecomeVultures
April 26th 2013


5435 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

nice review



don't like this as much as ekmb, some of these tracks really do nothing for me

EaglesBecomeVultures
April 26th 2013


5435 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

wow that last paragraph



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