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MalleusMaleficarum
April 15th 2013



12188 Comments


lmao

toxin.
April 15th 2013



11804 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

jamming orpheum and i really like it now
before the chorus used to drive me crazy but i enjoy the direction they took it now

Ecnalzen
April 15th 2013



5848 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I still don't understand all the love for Type 3. Maybe my ears are broken.

toxin.
April 15th 2013



11804 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

You don't understand the love for any of my favorite Anberlin tracks, it seems. lol

Ecnalzen
April 15th 2013



5848 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Lets have this out, guy. What other songs do you really like that I don't?

toxin.
April 15th 2013



11804 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

fin !

Ecnalzen
April 15th 2013



5848 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Oh, yeah, lol. How could I forget about that? I know I am in the minority, but its probably my least favorite of the "epic end" tracks.

Ima gonna listen to it again with all my attention, just for you. I will report back in just under 10 minutes.

Storm In A Teacup
April 15th 2013



12688 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

Gosh how can you not love Fin

toxin.
April 15th 2013



11804 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Haha yeah, and enjoy! lol.

toxin.
April 15th 2013



11804 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

epic closers ranked:
fin
god, drugs, and sex
miserabile visu
(naive orleans)*
dance dance christa paffgen
depraved

*not epic


Ecnalzen
April 15th 2013



5848 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Alright, dudes. Here is a mini sound off for fin. I could go in to it further, but I am on my "lunch" break and am strapped for time.

I dig the overall vibe and feel of the song and the lyrics are very interesting. Its just that it never really feels like it goes anywhere until the last couple minutes where Stephen is the main focus and the instruments fall back (its the best part Imo). It sits on the same damn 4 chords for pretty much the entire first 6 minutes with the same strum pattern, even when they turn the distortion on. The kids choir part also annoys me, but that goes for pretty much anytime a band does that.

Hopefully, that gives you a little insight to how I hear fin, toxin.

Ecnalzen
April 15th 2013



5848 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I don't really group Naive and Depraved with the others. They don't really fit the criteria for me.

toxin.
April 16th 2013



11804 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I see what you're saying. Honestly it probably boils down to the kid's choir. That part just sends shivers down my spine, and in some way the entire song builds to that point. If that doesn't do it for you, I can see how you'd see the song as sort of directionless. I don't even worry about those four chords being repeated with the same strum pattern because it's less important to what's going on in the foreground.

Ecnalzen
April 16th 2013



5848 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Pretty much. The "climax" doesn't have a pay off for me like it does for you (and everybody else apparently). I honestly really enjoy the last 2-3 minutes, it's just that I have to trudge through the first 6 to get to it, lol. His vocals are especially fantastic at the end.

I see where you are coming from on it now too. Good discussion, as always.

tiesthatbind
April 16th 2013



7360 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I think the general consensus is that the last couple minutes are the weakest part haha. That part did end up growing on me a lot though, especially after reading the lyrics.

toxin.
April 16th 2013



11804 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

There's a consensus on that? Haha I love the last couple minutes and always have. It's weird because the lyrics apparently were just improvised on the spot but they are really powerful in spite of that

Ecnalzen
April 16th 2013



5848 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Fascinating... I just love that ending part. It feels so... intimate. Like he is just really letting loose with his vocals and is conveying a ton of emotion. It gives me some chills, especially when he nails those falsettos towards the end.

What exactly does he mean by "patron saint of lost causes"?

tiesthatbind
April 16th 2013



7360 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Eh maybe not a consensus, I've just seen a couple comments to the effect that it would be a perfect song if not for that part. I used to think that too but when the album became a 5 for me my mind had changed on that.

cinaedus
April 16th 2013



26195 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

the ending section of fin is absolutely gorgeous. he sounds like he's tearing his soul out

toxin.
April 16th 2013



11804 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

@ties, oh I see, that's really weird. The rawness of the whole thing contrasts so much with the rest of the song (album, really) that makes it standout in a good way.

@Ecnal,
I've spent a really long time deliberating over that, actually. I know the entire song is different reasons that Stephen lost faith in God (behavior of other Christians, including himself). The Patron Saint of Lost Causes (AFAIK, I'm not Christian) was St. Jude, who continued to preach the gospel in spite of being told it was a lost cause. I think calling himself (and everyone else who has failed to live up to God) a "patron saint" is supposed to clash with the conventional depiction of the patron saint of lost cause. If you consider the story of the father who abandoned his children, you'd see that the father is actually the cause of his children's despair (they're "orphans"), which means he also has the power to reverse it (so he's their patron saint in that sense).

So I think the whole chorus is children speaking to their personal patron saints (parents, religious figures, other authority figures) who themselves are lost. "Patron saint, are we all lost like you"---because if your local "healer," who as a man of the cloth is closer to God than you'll ever be, is lost himself, aren't you too? And Stephen's singing alongside them represents the patron saints' response (which is one of self-doubt and self-pity), which is to say that they themselves need patron saints, but for adults this can only be God.

Not sure how coherent that was and it's all just speculation



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