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ConsiderPhlebas
June 2nd 2012


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Love American, like every other band, are irreducibly a group of people. A band name - or football team etc - can never be anything but a plural noun. Manchester United are a football team, and they suck balls.

Blackbelt54
June 2nd 2012


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Album Rating: 4.0

And I'm from the US, our grammar rules might be a bit different, I don't know

Wolfhorde
June 2nd 2012


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"When you say "they", you're referring to the members of the team, not the team as one entity"
That's the point. Did you read what Phlebas wrote? (besides, both implies that there is more than one person involved)

Blackbelt54
June 2nd 2012


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Album Rating: 4.0

And Man. U IS a soccer team. Haha I'm just kidding around

Blackbelt54
June 2nd 2012


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Album Rating: 4.0

Oh maybe we're on the same page whoops

ConsiderPhlebas
June 2nd 2012


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I think my last post was wrong, as the noun actually does refer to the singular concept, but the thing
the band/team does is done by the people, not the concept.

clercqie
June 2nd 2012


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Album Rating: 3.0

I just tend to go with what sounds right.



"Man U are a football team" maybe grammatically correct, but I don't know a single person who says that. "Man U is a team", on the other hand...



So yeah, I just switch from singular to plural, depending on context. As long as I can get my point across, I'm happy.

Athom
Emeritus
June 2nd 2012


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Love American are
My band is

Blackbelt54
June 2nd 2012


4276 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Yeah I agree it's not a big deal as long as everyone understands what you're trying to say

Wolfhorde
June 2nd 2012


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This actually reminds me a lot of a debate in German where "the comment" is either "der Kommentar" (male) or "das Kommentar" (neuter) and both are correct.

Athom
Emeritus
June 2nd 2012


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when it comes to syntax, just say what you're writing out loud and if it's wrong it will sound weird in speech. go with what comes natural.

Blackbelt54
June 2nd 2012


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Album Rating: 4.0

I suck at language it makes my head hurt I'd rather think about math or physics or something

ConsiderPhlebas
June 2nd 2012


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"Man U are a football team" maybe grammatically correct, but I don't know a single person who says that. "Man U is a team", on the other hand...

I never hear anything else tbh. They played well, they died on their arse, they won, they lost, they are... etc

clercqie
June 2nd 2012


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Album Rating: 3.0

I suck at language it makes my head hurt I'd rather think about math or physics or something


Same here :D

clercqie
June 2nd 2012


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Album Rating: 3.0

They played well, they died on their arse, they won, they lost, they are... etc


You're not referring to "team" in this case.



It's a bit like the difference between "We are a team" (not referring to team, but to we) and "The team has won" (in this case indeed referring to team).

Tyrael
June 2nd 2012


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'Wintersun does not consist of only one person, it is a "one man project" or the "brainchild" of one person but it does include 3 other members besides Jari.'

Hurrrrr ok somethin else...

what about Ziltoid the Omniscient then:

'The album is a solo album, with all music written, mixed, produced and performed by Townsend. '

ConsiderPhlebas
June 2nd 2012


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Eh? If 'they' doesn't refer to the team of people kicking a ball around in order to beat the opposing team, to whom does it refer? They are the group of guys who, collectively, are known as Manchester United. Also, your example of 'Man U is a team' is grammatically perfect, it just refers to the common goal of the team, rather than the players themselves. The team can win, the team can do something 'as one' but the team are still a group of people.

ConsiderPhlebas
June 2nd 2012


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what about Ziltoid the Omniscient then:

'The album is a solo album, with all music written, mixed, produced and performed by Townsend. '

The definition of a band is a group of people working together toward a common aim. A person making music alone is an artist, a musician. Unless he or she split into separate entities to make their album, soomehow becoming more than one person, he or she can't be a band.

clercqie
June 2nd 2012


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Album Rating: 3.0

Eh, this is hard to explain in English, but what I tried to say with "referring to team or not" is looking whether the word "team" is actually the subject (if that's the correct term?) of the sentence. I just tend to look if the subject(?) is a singular or plural word and then adjust my verb to that.



If this makes sense...

Scoot
June 2nd 2012


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when you refer to the band name, you refer to the members collectively so you say "are"

when you refer to the band itself (ex. the band is planning to tour soon) as opposed to saying Love
American are planning to tour soon, you refer to a singular entity so you say "is"

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