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ChuckyTruant
March 3rd 2013


15725 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

nah he is definitely a great singer

TheMoreira
March 3rd 2013


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Album Rating: 3.5

I think so yes. I mean, for most of the time he is a great presence on this. He has some range too. Sotelo is better though. I know it's not the best term of comparison, but Sotelo right now slays pretty much all competition in terms of range and presence.

On PII, that is. On P1 he wasn't as good.

MikeC26
March 3rd 2013


3211 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Lol no he fucking isn't

sora236
March 3rd 2013


156 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I would have to agree the album is a bit lengthy.
The transitions to the jazz sections are done well in my opinion and the jazz sections don't stray too far from the original heavy sections by keeping similar harmony and melodies/ideas. It would be hard to like/appreciate on the first listen if you don't notice the ideas that pull the songs together(they did that quite a bit on the album).


TheMoreira
March 3rd 2013


7182 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Oh, this album is hard to appreciate on any sort of first listen imo. But i get you sora, and maybe you're right. In the past, some albums have seemed a bit off to me in terms of transitions and structure, only to grow into outstanding albums later on.

This one though, is not looking good.

sora236
March 3rd 2013


156 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I understand. The mixture of different styles will throw quite a few people off at first or always will. The transitions and progressions may sound odd to some people lol.

ChuckyTruant
March 4th 2013


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not to sound like an ass or anything but this album makes sense when you know theory

wacknizzle
March 4th 2013


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What I heard from this album was pretty cool, but it was like once. I'll have to jam it again, not sure if Ill ever be into those cleans though.

Digging: Phobocosm - Deprived

sora236
March 4th 2013


156 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Chucky, that's pretty much what I said earlier lol.
Well I think it'll make more sense if a person knows a bit of jazz theory rather than standard theory.
Even if someone doesn't know a lot of theory if they listen to a bit of jazz and the other styles they
present on the CD they'll probably understand it more easily and listen intentively to the ideas being
used, it'll make sense. Though it'll sound strange to someone not used to the style.

TheMoreira
March 4th 2013


7182 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Well i guess you have a point. But it's not even the jazz parts that sound bad to me. It's how
abruptly they switch, that didn't sound good to me at all. I won't say that a higher music knowledge
can't help to fix that, it might have a deal of impact on the way you're open to the music you're
listening to and how you receive it, but i truly see this as a matter of taste. It sounded quite odd.
Perhaps i was expecting something else too. I'll go through it again to check wassup.

MikeC26
March 4th 2013


3211 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

@chucky

I hate you so much for saying that. How old are you, 5? You don't have to know theory for something to "make sense."
You've gone full retard...

What a douchy, hipster fucking comment. People like you are what's wrong with todays excruciatingly terrible elitist
modern metal fan-base.

Zorak
March 4th 2013


3191 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

This record is amazing. Barretto is infinitely better than Sotello. Sotello sounds like a whiny bitch, as where Barretto has better screams and more robust cleans.

sora236
March 4th 2013


156 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Mike how is he being an elitist and how is he a hipster because he defended the album? Do you even
know what the term hipster means?

If someone isn't used a certain style and/or don't know the mechanics of something, it won't really
make much sense that person.

Your argument is like telling someone from another culture that their mixture of ingredients in
their cuisine doesn't make sense because you aren't used to the taste and is wrong.
Or in music, it's like a classical musician telling a jazz musician their interpretation of music is
wrong because their study of theory is different and the "do's & don'ts" are different.
An actual metal elitist tells an artist that their wrong for playing something they aren't used to.


Please note, I don't think the album's perfect, but calling someone an elitist over a simple
statement lacks any logic. He could of worded it differently because you don't have to theory to
appreciate it, though it helps. It's understandable if you don't like album, I probably would of
hated it a few years ago cause I didn't listen a whole of lot of any of the styles this band brings
to the table.

MikeC26
March 4th 2013


3211 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

The whole idea of "i understand and listen to this because I'm enlightened" is the quintessential example of elitism. The same type of attitude has infiltrated what used to be my favorite music forum, Sevenstring.org. It's now full of self assured jackasses who somehow think their opinion is "right" because they "get it."

I'm ranting obviously but the modern metal mentality is just the worst!

sora236
March 4th 2013


156 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

The thing is though, music is subjective, just like tastes.
Just because someone enjoys a certain thing because they understand doesn't mean they're an elitist.
That's like telling someone they're an elitist for like modernist composers because they enjoy it and
appreciate it while it sounds like a mess/or stagnant to someone else. Or telling a person that their
music is wrong because their musical system is different. Like I said before he could of worded it in
a better way, but his statement isn't that elitist compared the to "this isn't true metal" elitist.
I sense a bit of hypocrisy in your rant in terms of elitism.

ChuckyTruant
March 4th 2013


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this place is infinitely worse than sevenstring.org bro

MikeC26
March 4th 2013


3211 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Haha prob but SS has gone to hell as of late. Bunch of haters man. Didn't mean to freak out, I just took your comment the wrong way...

ChuckyTruant
March 4th 2013


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Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

oh I didn't even see your reply to that until just now lol.

Idc honestly, but it is true. People who don't know theory generally don't like Allan Holdsworth too. Its the same thing.

I do even know that much theory and its still all good

ChuckyTruant
March 4th 2013


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whats your username on SSO anyway man?

bloc
March 4th 2013


35024 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

I just use SS to look at NGD threads haha



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