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MikeC26
December 18th 2012



3139 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Lost in our escape is great. the vocals will turn off a lot of people, that and they sound EXACTLY like Periphery at points.

TheMoreira
March 3rd 2013



6769 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Just jammed to this for the first time. Holy shit is this lengthy. Too overbearing, and the
transitions between DJUN DJU DJOIN and jazz sound awful, it's too all over the place and most of the
songs seem very unstructured. I'll try again later but man, i thought i was in for a treat after so
much acclaim for these guys. Probably gets better, but it's hard to get a good first impression on
this.

BUT, Chris is a great singer.

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bloc
March 3rd 2013



34667 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

I heard the singer for this band is now in The HAARP Machine.

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TheMoreira
March 3rd 2013



6769 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Sumerian gathering up the big boys to keep oiling The CAASH Machine hum?

MikeC26
March 3rd 2013



3139 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

I wouldn't say he's a great singer man...

The guitarist is fantastic but yeah the songs definitely fail to engage.

TheMoreira
March 3rd 2013



6769 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

I like his input on this. I didn't mind his stuff with Periphery though, as far as i recall.

Yeah definitely, their length doesn't help the slightest bit.

ChuckyTruant
March 3rd 2013



15700 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

nah he is definitely a great singer

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TheMoreira
March 3rd 2013



6769 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

I think so yes. I mean, for most of the time he is a great presence on this. He has some range too. Sotelo is better though. I know it's not the best term of comparison, but Sotelo right now slays pretty much all competition in terms of range and presence.

On PII, that is. On P1 he wasn't as good.

MikeC26
March 3rd 2013



3139 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Lol no he fucking isn't

sora236
March 3rd 2013



155 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I would have to agree the album is a bit lengthy.
The transitions to the jazz sections are done well in my opinion and the jazz sections don't stray too far from the original heavy sections by keeping similar harmony and melodies/ideas. It would be hard to like/appreciate on the first listen if you don't notice the ideas that pull the songs together(they did that quite a bit on the album).


TheMoreira
March 3rd 2013



6769 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Oh, this album is hard to appreciate on any sort of first listen imo. But i get you sora, and maybe you're right. In the past, some albums have seemed a bit off to me in terms of transitions and structure, only to grow into outstanding albums later on.

This one though, is not looking good.

sora236
March 3rd 2013



155 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I understand. The mixture of different styles will throw quite a few people off at first or always will. The transitions and progressions may sound odd to some people lol.

ChuckyTruant
March 4th 2013



15700 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

not to sound like an ass or anything but this album makes sense when you know theory

wacknizzle
March 4th 2013



12590 Comments


What I heard from this album was pretty cool, but it was like once. I'll have to jam it again, not sure if Ill ever be into those cleans though.

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sora236
March 4th 2013



155 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Chucky, that's pretty much what I said earlier lol.
Well I think it'll make more sense if a person knows a bit of jazz theory rather than standard theory.
Even if someone doesn't know a lot of theory if they listen to a bit of jazz and the other styles they
present on the CD they'll probably understand it more easily and listen intentively to the ideas being
used, it'll make sense. Though it'll sound strange to someone not used to the style.

TheMoreira
March 4th 2013



6769 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Well i guess you have a point. But it's not even the jazz parts that sound bad to me. It's how
abruptly they switch, that didn't sound good to me at all. I won't say that a higher music knowledge
can't help to fix that, it might have a deal of impact on the way you're open to the music you're
listening to and how you receive it, but i truly see this as a matter of taste. It sounded quite odd.
Perhaps i was expecting something else too. I'll go through it again to check wassup.

MikeC26
March 4th 2013



3139 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

@chucky

I hate you so much for saying that. How old are you, 5? You don't have to know theory for something to "make sense."
You've gone full retard...

What a douchy, hipster fucking comment. People like you are what's wrong with todays excruciatingly terrible elitist
modern metal fan-base.

Zorak
March 4th 2013



3188 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

This record is amazing. Barretto is infinitely better than Sotello. Sotello sounds like a whiny bitch, as where Barretto has better screams and more robust cleans.

sora236
March 4th 2013



155 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Mike how is he being an elitist and how is he a hipster because he defended the album? Do you even
know what the term hipster means?

If someone isn't used a certain style and/or don't know the mechanics of something, it won't really
make much sense that person.

Your argument is like telling someone from another culture that their mixture of ingredients in
their cuisine doesn't make sense because you aren't used to the taste and is wrong.
Or in music, it's like a classical musician telling a jazz musician their interpretation of music is
wrong because their study of theory is different and the "do's & don'ts" are different.
An actual metal elitist tells an artist that their wrong for playing something they aren't used to.


Please note, I don't think the album's perfect, but calling someone an elitist over a simple
statement lacks any logic. He could of worded it differently because you don't have to theory to
appreciate it, though it helps. It's understandable if you don't like album, I probably would of
hated it a few years ago cause I didn't listen a whole of lot of any of the styles this band brings
to the table.

MikeC26
March 4th 2013



3139 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

The whole idea of "i understand and listen to this because I'm enlightened" is the quintessential example of elitism. The same type of attitude has infiltrated what used to be my favorite music forum, Sevenstring.org. It's now full of self assured jackasses who somehow think their opinion is "right" because they "get it."

I'm ranting obviously but the modern metal mentality is just the worst!



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