Leonard Cohen Songs of Love and Hate
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robertsona
Staff Reviewer
November 22nd 2010


27396 Comments


no FUCK he used the word 'profressional' oh god its all going downhill from here

SeaAnemone
November 22nd 2010


21429 Comments


I already explained it earlier.


"I did use myself sparingly in the first and last paragraphs atavan, and I think it adds to the review seeing as it shows the approach to listening and analyzing the album that I do now."

I mean if you want me to go into further detail I can but you never answered that soooo...

DiceMan
November 22nd 2010


7066 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Good album, almost picked up a book about this dude the other day.



Agree with Atavan for the most part.



Hearing people talk about themselves is often boring, but reading about people talking about themselves is oftentimes worse. Unless it's like a memoir or something, then it's alright.

AtavanHalen
November 22nd 2010


17919 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

atavan you have this same complaint with the best of reviews i really think its time you learned that

its you, not them




Yeah, I'm really going to get taken to school by the resident troll. Maybe I'll score some hot tips off theacademy or Enrique later on?



the worst thing a reviewer can do is skew the first person (in an OPINION piece)




Yeah, you don't know anything about writing, do you?



THIS is an opinion piece: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2003/sep/08/fairtrade.wto6



THIS is a review. They are two different things.



ShadowRemains
November 22nd 2010


27741 Comments


ERIC, DO YOU SEE WHAT RESPONDING TO HONEST CRITICISM DOES? IT TEARS US ALL APART!!

*runs away sobbing*

AtavanHalen
November 22nd 2010


17919 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

"I did use myself sparingly in the first and last paragraphs atavan, and I think it adds to the review seeing as it shows the approach to listening and analyzing the album that I do now."




It doesn't add to the review, and it would work better if you deleted it.

conradtao
Emeritus
November 22nd 2010


2090 Comments


"It adds a personable touch and makes the review more enjoyable to read."

I stand by my earlier statement. Good review, Sea.

robertsona
Staff Reviewer
November 22nd 2010


27396 Comments


okay i realize that nominally an "opinion piece" is something featured in a newspaper like that that
usually deals with that sort of thing but what i mean is like

a piece of writing that is an opinion

oh hey a review of music

music is undeniably a personal experience but you seem to want to disregard that in favor of, i dont
know, "journalistic integrity" or something because you used to write persuasive essays in 8th grade
and your teacher liked them. the first person (unless it's the plural first person used to force
agreement on the reader shudder) is completely appropriate for music and talking about such

SeaAnemone
November 22nd 2010


21429 Comments


ok you keep saying the same things atavan without actually replying with an explanation. I mean I know it's sputnik and nobody likes almost-paragraphs, but some explanation would be helpful : )

and sorry shadow, I really DO appreciate the criticism : )

and thanks conrad, I agree, that's an important point too

couldwinarabbit
November 22nd 2010


6996 Comments


@DiceMan as good as his music is his poetry is just incredible. Like some of the best stuff I have ever read.

ShadowRemains
November 22nd 2010


27741 Comments


lol it's cool, and also what's with your last.fm?

robertsona
Staff Reviewer
November 22nd 2010


27396 Comments


suzanne is an amazing song fyi havent heard anything else by this guy


cept hallelujah i guess

AtavanHalen
November 22nd 2010


17919 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

music is undeniably a personal experience but you seem to want to disregard that in favor of, i dont know, "journalistic integrity" or something because you used to write persuasive essays in 8th grade and youre teacher liked them. the first person (unless it's the plural first person used to force

agreement on the reader shudder) is completely appropriate for music and talking about such




Okay, I'll get back to you when I have a slight idea of what the fuck you are talking about. In other words, I'm not getting back to you.



ok you keep saying the same things atavan without actually replying with an explanation. I mean I know it's sputnik and nobody likes almost-paragraphs, but some explanation would be helpful : )




What the fuck do you want? I told you what I don't like and why I don't like it. What exactly do you need?

robertsona
Staff Reviewer
November 22nd 2010


27396 Comments


music is undeniably a personal experience but you seem to want to disregard that in favor of,
i dont know, "journalistic integrity"


does this make sense

the first person (unless it's the plural first person used to force
agreement on the reader shudder) is completely appropriate for music and talking about such


--because it's "undeniably a personal experience"


does this make sense


ok good


conradtao
Emeritus
November 22nd 2010


2090 Comments


why are you so mad :C

"music is undeniably a personal experience but you seem to want to disregard that in favor of, i dont know,
"journalistic integrity" or something because you used to write persuasive essays in 8th grade and youre teacher liked
them. the first person (unless it's the plural first person used to force
agreement on the reader shudder) is completely appropriate for music and talking about such"

He's saying that writing music criticism (any criticism, for that matter) isn't the same as writing, say, a news piece.
Since you're stating your opinion on the record/film/art at hand, it's acceptable to employ the first person. After all,
the entire basis of the review is your personal thoughts, right? I know we all talk about objectivity versus subjectivity
but at the end of the day, we write positive reviews because we like something and negative reviews because we
don't.

SeaAnemone
November 22nd 2010


21429 Comments


... ugh ok atavan. not gonna win this one. I'll just let it go.















YOU WIN HOORAY

robertsona
Staff Reviewer
November 22nd 2010


27396 Comments


no guys music isnt a personal experience your review shouldnt reflect that dont even talk about yourself I DONT WANT TO EVEN SEE YOUR NAME AT THE TOP OF THE REVIEW

Sowing
Moderator
November 22nd 2010


43943 Comments


so anyway this is a great review. pos.

couldwinarabbit
November 22nd 2010


6996 Comments


^LOL

AtavanHalen
November 22nd 2010


17919 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Do you all have the same heroin dealer?



Like I stepped into fucking la la land or some shit.



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