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BigHans
June 7th 2010


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I don't think Garnett has a fork sticking out of his back anymore, I think its more like a chainsaw. Hard to imagine the Celtics winning on the road like that while getting nothing from Garnett or Pierce.

Inveigh
June 7th 2010


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yeah I thought that was surprising. If Ray Allen doesn't go all Jesus Shuttlesworth meets Reggie Miller on the Lakers in the first half I think that game's over before Rondo has a chance to pull his magic. There's no question that he's their best player now, by the way. He's a top 5 PG in the league along with D-Will, CP3, D-Rose and Steve Nash.

Inveigh
June 7th 2010


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Marv's the shit

buckfutter
June 7th 2010


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I wish he did the games in his bedroom attire. Now THAT would make TNT unstoppable

theacademy
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June 7th 2010


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Hard to imagine the Celtics winning on the road like that while getting nothing from Garnett or Pierce.


naa, see, this is the thing that most non-celtics fans don't get. the team is a team and a well coached one at that. KG can be a non-issue if perkins and wallace don't foul out/tech out. Baby too filled in really well for KG during the season. As long as rondo is on and pierce OR allen is on, celts will take it.

meanwhile, if gasol is matched and/or kobe is neutralized, the lakers are fucked.

and about the bad calls against the lakers, they were inopportune (late in the game), but there were plenty (3 specifically stick out) that went against the celtics too...

Inveigh
June 7th 2010


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Baby too filled in really well for KG during the season. As long as rondo is on and pierce OR allen is on, celts will take it.

you can say the same thing about the Lakers. Kobe had his worst game of the playoffs, Gasol/Bynum didn't rebound, Odom was invisible and Artest shot 1-10. The calls in the 4th quarter didn't go their way and they still had a chance to win. If just two of those things fix themselves the Lakers win going away. Don't expect Ray Allen to be hitting 8 three pointers again any time soon either.

Also, the Celtics have been FAR worse at home this year than they are on the road, which I find odd, but it still doesn't look good for them. I think Lakers take 2 of 3 in Boston.

BigHans
June 7th 2010


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I think Odom suffers from the Chris Webber/Vince Carter syndrome. He shrinks when the stage is large/and or crunch time.

theacademy
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June 7th 2010


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Gasol/Bynum didn't rebound


i mean, yeah, but none of the big men rebounded bc rondo somehow got everything.... fact is that they both had a great game otherwise... and the lakers had like 5 bagillion free throws to keep them in the game, which explains this:

...and they still had a chance to win.


...

Don't expect Ray Allen to be hitting 8 three pointers again any time soon.


i don't, but you shouldn't expect pierce and kg to combine for 4 fg's, either... celtics are adaptable. Their problem (related partially, not wholly, but at least partially to officiating) is getting into foul trouble.

Also, the Celtics have been FAR worse at home this year than they have on the road


this i agree with, but i don't think they'll drop 2 out of 3 regardless. they're playing too well and they're all reasonably healthy...


BigHans
June 7th 2010


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I'm just glad its a competitive series. I really thought LAL would walk with this.

Inveigh
June 7th 2010


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but you shouldn't expect pierce and kg to combine for 4 fg's, either

Pierce maybe, but why shouldn't I expect that from KG? He's averaging about 8.5 ppg in the playoffs through 19 games, I don't see that changing at this point. I think we know what to expect from him (he's still important from a defense and leadership standpoint though). At the minimum L.A. takes one game (the home team has only won all three middle games in the Finals two times in the history of the NBA, I don't think it's a stretch to say the Celtics won't match that feat), but I don't see a problem with them taking two, especially with the short break between games and the Celts age.

I think Odom suffers from the Chris Webber/Vince Carter syndrome. He shrinks when the stage is large/and or crunch time.

I can agree with that, but I don't see it affecting his team quite as much because he's not expected to be a #1 or #2 guy like Carter/Webber were/are. Odom's no better than the 3rd option on L.A. (he's not even a starter!) -- he shouldn't be feeling too much pressure. I think it's more a product of him ending up with 5 fouls in games 1 and 2.

buckfutter
June 7th 2010


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How in the fuck does Rondo rebound like that? Even when he's outta position or being boxed out, it seems he out-hustles everyone. I mean, mad respect to him, but he should be grabbing more than 5 or 6 a game.

Inveigh
June 7th 2010


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he's about 6'3" but has a 6'10" wingspan and hands that are a little bigger than Kobe's. So that's how he rebounds, he's like Mr. Fantastic from Fantastic Four. It's also why he's struggled so much with his jumper and free throws over his career, although he's noticably better in both areas this season/playoffs.

I still hate him with a fiery passion though.

buckfutter
June 7th 2010


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As much as I hate the Celtics(and 90% of their players), I love Rajon. He plays harder than everyone else, he hustles, and he gives it all he's got. I got a lot of respect for that dude, considering no one gave him a chance really coming out of Kentucky.

Oh, and he's barely 6'1"

buckfutter
June 7th 2010


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And he looks like a crack head

theacademy
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June 7th 2010


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Pierce maybe, but why shouldn't I expect that from KG?


yeah, but that's the point. It's not like Ray Allen averages 8 threes a game or rondo averages a triple-double but they are both clearly capable of hitting their marks. Remember Pierce was good in '08 but his performance in the finals was outta nowhere... and on KG, he's the kinda player who (obviously) gets angry so i wouldnt bet against a TRUE return to form for at least one of the three home games in response to all the media jabber... also on the topic of their age, remember how much time allen had to sit in game 1 because of fouls, and we saw how that went... i guess the one positive about fouling 10x more than the lakers: forced benchtime...

i think the only point we're disagreeing with here is which team takes 2/3 in boston and whether the celtics can win (the series) without all their 'stars' performing... im saying that the bench is deeper for the celtics, and they can adapt better, and that's why i think they'll win out...

theacademy
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June 7th 2010


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he's about 6'3" but has a 6'10" wingspan and hands that are a little bigger than Kobe's. So that's how he rebounds, he's like Mr. Fantastic from Fantastic Four. It's also why he's struggled so much with his jumper and free throws over his career, although he's noticably better in both areas this season/playoffs.


yeah 6'3'' is being generous but this is basically it. Another reason is like what pit said, he hustles/penetrates more easily (cuz he's small, fast, etc). He's actually got a pretty good jumper now but FT's are still a major weakness...

theacademy
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June 7th 2010


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ill admit i did become a celtics fan bc of paul pierce, though...

Inveigh
June 7th 2010


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academy: fair enough, I definitely agree with your point about their bench being deeper. Outside of Odom, L.A.'s bench is pretty weak (and Odom's sucked this series). I'm not sure about the adaptation part, I think Boston's roster is more conducive to it, but Phil Jackson's probably the greatest coach ever at making adjustments in-series. Although the Rivers + Thibs combo has impressed me the last few years (SO glad my Bulls hired Thibs, I think he's fantastic).

'pit: Damn, thought he was taller. That's even more impressive. I definitely respect his work ethic, I just hate his attitude. He's been a cocky little fuck since he came into the league (dunno why you think everybody was down on him, he was drafted 21st overall and came out after his freshman year, everyone's always known he could ball) and is a punk-ass on the court just like KG. After he knocked out Brad Miller's tooth at the end of game 1 in last year's Bulls-Celts series and then threw Kirk Hinrich into the scorer's table at the beginning of game 2 (and wasn't t'd up or ejected for either!) I swore that I would always hate him.

Rajon Rhonda, Kendrick Porkins and Kevin "I only talk shit to 5'11" rookies because I have a vagina" Garnett are my most hated players in the NBA.

BigHans
June 7th 2010


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I'm rooting for the Celtics here actually. As a Minnesotan, I have a soft spot for KG although I know most people now despise him. I have also liked Pierce during his time in the league, and being a fan of the three pointer, have always had mad respect for Ray Allen.

buckfutter
June 7th 2010


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I don't admire Rondo for his attitude, I admire him for the way he plays the game: as hard as he can. And yes, when he came outta UK, everyone was saying he wasn't going to be anything but a bench player because he lacked a jumper and the court intelligence. Look at him now though. The guy is one of the top 3 PG's in the game today.



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