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Knott-
Emeritus
November 27th 2009


10195 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

thebhoy...

Hey, let's quote a single radiohead line out of context and call Yorke a terrible lyricist, how about that? Nobody's saying that Adkins is on the level of Mangum or Weiss but his ability to hit the nerve centre is right on the money. Clichés are less clichéd when they're used in a context like Drugs Or Me, which is actually a song about not recognising yourself. Lyrically this album is stellar; the songwriting is not what you'd call groundbreaking or revolutionary, but it's excellent. These songs mean something. Kill? 23? All the way through, it's universal but still hard-hitting. I HATE when this argument is used wrongly, but here I think it's justified... if you can write a record's-worth of lyrics that strike a better chord with young people, do it. Or find me someone who does it better. And don't say damn Elliott Smith, because that's clearly not what I'm getting at.

I don't expect most people to agree with this rating; I knew that before I posted the review just by looking at the pie chart. Still, I don't think it's justified to say the lyrics are lolworthy, and calling them clichéd just proves you're overanalysing something that's not meant to be picked apart like Shakespeare. Sometimes I think the only music some people will praise to high heaven is the stuff they don't understand.

Ponton
Emeritus
November 27th 2009


5793 Comments


Nobody's saying that Adkins is on the level of Mangum or Weiss but his ability to hit the nerve centre is right on the money.

Bingo.

Props for Kill and 23 Strikey, those songs bring me back.

Knott-
Emeritus
November 27th 2009


10195 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

Man, Kill is SO fucking good.

Ponton
Emeritus
November 27th 2009


5793 Comments


Yeah it is! I heard that track a few years ago, and I couldn't believe it wasn't a single.

I can relate to it so much too.

thebhoy
Emeritus
November 27th 2009


4461 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

I could've put the entire lyric sheet to Drugs or Me, or most other songs on the album, but I think you missed my original point. Originally I had meant that the album was decent in that it was fun music but the lyrics are literally cliched angsty line after cliched angsty line... which is fine when some of the songs are honest to goodness solid pop-rock songs. The slower ballads are dragged down because of the poor lyrics. That is what I meant. No the lyrics don't have to be groundbreaking, and simple honesty is often the best policy (see: Dylan or Waits). But simple honesty does not have to include universal cliches. That was all my point was, if you notice my 3 rating it's because I think it's a GOOD album and if you think it's a classic then good on you. You backed yourself up well in your review, it was good.

Knott-
Emeritus
November 27th 2009


10195 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

Yah dude, I'm not having a go, just arguing my corner :p. I just think it's a matter of the context of those 'clichéd' lines. "Can't say I was never wrong, but some blame rests on you," is trite without what comes before it, but the way the song lyrically progresses through more... important assertions of how relationships are two way things, makes that the climax. The lyrics aren't your generic pop-punk bullshit about OH DARLING LOOK WHAT A DIFFICULT SITCH THIS IS - at least not to me. Half of it's also in the delivery, je crois.

One thing I would say is that however this record comes across to someone, it seems to carry the weight of history. Whether it's that it grew off you because you matured musically and lost touch with it, or you hold it close because of the memories associated with it, I think Futures' value in 2009 for a lot of people depends on the way it's seen over the past 5 years, and the way it seems to connect to their comparative youth.

defjaw83
November 27th 2009


1769 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I wouldn't bother. Beyond London there's not really much else to do or go


Fucking prick you couldn't be more wrong!

Knott-
Emeritus
November 27th 2009


10195 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

Haha, where do you live defjaw? I'm in Sheffield. Well, right now I'm in France, but yeah.

thebhoy
Emeritus
November 27th 2009


4461 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

One thing I would say is that however this record comes across to someone, it seems to carry the weight of history. Whether it's that it grew off you because you matured musically and lost touch with it, or you hold it close because of the memories associated with it, I think Futures' value in 2009 for a lot of people depends on the way it's seen over the past 5 years, and the way it seems to connect to their comparative youth


Exactly, I've lost touch with it, but at the same time get the old hint of nostalgia which perhaps keeps my rating slightly above what it would be if the album came out today.

And I know you're not having a go haha. You back up your side well and I feel I do the same, it makes for a good discussion. As long as it doesn't dissolve into a matter of "you're wrong you stupidhead" I'm always up for a differing opinion haha. My point of view is that cliches can not hold any substantial weight. So whereas a lyrical progression may lead to a line such as you mentioned, the fact that it is a cliche nullifies any meaning it could have. It depersonalizes the sentiment when the personal is what is needed most. It's like starting an essay with a broad, sweeping generalization, it's indefensible and unnecessary.

It's a hard thing to avoid, as a writer I know. But the more one writes the better they get at bending things into more original light. I find JEW have never progressed out of this cliched stating format.

klap
Staff Reviewer
November 27th 2009


10433 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

yo strikey elliott smith writes better lyrics :0

Digging: Tennis - Ritual In Repeat

Roach
November 27th 2009


2148 Comments


Fucking prick you couldn't be more wrong!


hi! tell me about the wonderful places i can go pls

KILL
November 27th 2009


71795 Comments


portsmouth we sell fish

Roach
November 27th 2009


2148 Comments


can get fish in london **** you
















jks KILL u my bro dawg

KILL
November 27th 2009


71795 Comments


yer but not fresh fish we freshen it up

Roach
November 27th 2009


2148 Comments


my english teacher let me taste her fresh fish once if you know what i mean

KieranVandRakim
November 27th 2009


332 Comments


rly

thebhoy
Emeritus
November 27th 2009


4461 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

^ too bad about your football team being shite though.

Roach
November 27th 2009


2148 Comments


i support arsenal no fucking way dude

KILL
November 27th 2009


71795 Comments


yer i no but i dont like football coz i'm a metalhead were not allowed

thebhoy
Emeritus
November 27th 2009


4461 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

yeah Roach I was talking to you. even though I hate Arsenal it's hard to say they're shite when they aren't.



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