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Benerooni:

The song is openly designed that way.

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Benerooni:

The song is openly designed that way.



i know i'm just saying i'm hesitant to call it a 9 minute song when it isn't really a 9 minute song in the traditional "long song" sense



Same can be said pretty much about Colors and the Great Misdirect from BTBAM - songs are long and I definitely could find places where it's like a new section or 'song'.

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you could just as easily put chump, longview, and welcome to paradise all on one track , add a transition between the latter two songs, and call it a "10 minute epic." wouldn't be too different from what they did with jesus of suburbia

Remarkable
–adjective
1. notably or conspicuously unusual; extraordinary: a remarkable change.
2. worthy of notice or attention.

Having a punk band who've made their careers on short, straight to the point punk songs that propelled them to the mainstream choose to create a thematic album that features a 9 min song??? That seems "notable" and "unusual" to me for such a band. Don't remember the Dead Kennedy's, Sex Pistols or the Ramones doing such a thing.

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Your basically arguing that if the music is different throughout then it should be multiple songs? Well it is split into sections and secondly, most classical music pieces are very long and have numerous changes of pace, sound and melody, but it's still the same song. A long song doesn't have to be justified as being so because it continues the same melody throughout.

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Your basically arguing that if the music is different throughout then it should be multiple songs?

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Ugh, sorry for fueling the flames for this.

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'Well first up this isn't really a punk album per se but more an attempt at creating a politically fueled but anthemic rock album. So yeah it might be a slight change in direction stylistically for Green Day but it's not all that remarkable as they'd been heading in that direction anyway. And it's not really that unusual for 'such a band' to feature at least one song over the duration of a whole album longer than 5 minutes - in this case the 9 minute 'Jesus of Suburbia'.'



Well, the fact you admitted it's not punk shows their transition from a style that had been doing sucessfully before which goes against logic, doing something different when what your doing currently is working. If it ain't broke don't fix it. And you really can't logically make such a generic statement as "Well all bands make a song more then 5 min'; you're wrong, some make songs that are a minimum of 5 min at least (Dream Theater, Tool, many others) and some can barely make it to 3 min (most 50's 60's music as well as early Beatles material). Name me a punk band that's done this? Please. Where's this concept album from Blink-182, Sum 41 or other bands that are similar that just stuck with their guns?



@benerooni - I can agree with your last comment.



...and about the flaming comment, as long as everyone's mature and doesn't begin throwing curse words and just "well this sucks" this is fine. I don't mind other people's genuine opinions if they have logic behind it. Nothing wrong with good spirited debating and people expressing their opinions.

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no, i'm arguing that writing a 9-minute song isn't a good reason to hail

this is as a huge evolution for green day when it still involves very much the same songwriting process for them as before.

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What Chewie said, and even if the music hasn't really changed much (it still pretty much is the same signature Green Day chords), the lyrics are completely different. I'm pretty sure if we printed off all the scripts of lyrics from their past albums and gave you American Idiots lyrics, you wouldn't guess in a million years it was the lyrics for a Green Day album.

boneroo is right

Well, the fact you admitted it's not punk shows their transition from a style that had been doing sucessfully before which goes against logic, doing something different when what your doing currently is working. If it ain't broke don't fix it. And you really can't logically make such a generic statement as "Well all bands make a song more then 9 min'; you're right, some make songs that are a minimum of 5 min at least (Dream Theater, Tool, many others) and some can barely make it to 3 min (most 50's 60's music as well as early Beatles material). Name me a punk band that's done this? Please.

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Obviously you've never listened in depth to the Beatles in since I specifically cited their early 60's material which would include Please Please Me, With the Beatles, Beatles for Sale and A Hard Days Night; all released in either 1963 0r 64. And for your information, only 2 songs off all 4 albums reach the 3 minute mark, 'You Really Got a Hold on me' at 3:05 and 'Honey Don't' at 3 flat. So, why don't you stop making false statements like I'm a singles Beatle fan, open up iTunes and check the song lengths yourself.

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i think he just misread your post.

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I mean "only somebody who hasn't listened to The Beatles beyond the singles would make a sweeping statement such as" that...

I hadn't noticed you specifically cited early Beatles work, my bad.

But you just completely ignored the main point of our discussion involving Green Day.

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Well maybe he should learn to make less cutting remarks if can't read it right the first time so he doesn't look like an idiot. Good rule in debate or just conversation, never insult someone about their intelligence on a matter, it's a really weak form of debate and just ignorant imo.



Also Roach, this whole debate began with you questioning why this was remarkable, that was all. Never made statements such as "Revolutionary" or "Ground Breaking" in my arguments, simply gave you the definition of remarkable and how if any album/song (Jesus of Seburbia) fit that word as a description, it's this.

Errr I didn't insult your intelligence at all, you seem to be doing that well enough for yourself. Besides you're the only one bandying about such choice words as 'idiot'.

And I've explained why I don't think Green Day did anything remarkable already but you don't really seem to be countering that as to why they are apart from bringing up some loose dictionary definition that doesn't even negate what I've said.

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Well, what else do you call telling someone they know nothing about the Beatles other than the 3 songs they one heard on the radio(aka a singles guy)??? And your argument about 5 min songs isn't the issue, it's a 9 min song, show me a band that's created a song that long, never questioned that a band hasn't done 5 min songs, simply said your argument about how 'every band's created a 5 min song' is too generic to argue.



EDIT: Also, big difference between saying your an idiot and saying your acting like an idiot(what I said). BIG difference.

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now i think you've misread his post.