The Sound of Animals Fighting The Ocean and the Sun
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astrel
September 8th 2008



2614 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I believe you missed the point marksellsuswallets.

brandtweathers
September 8th 2008



2007 Comments


Lacking Craig Owens

playin to the crowd

sadmafioso
September 8th 2008



318 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

It should be emphasised, TSOAF don't need a second Anthony Green.


okay, but he wasn't an important enough facet of their sound to warrant a place in an overall summary of the album.

AtavanHalen
September 8th 2008



17927 Comments


Will listen to this tonight. I liked Tiger and the Duke, but haven't heard the last album.This Message Edited On 09.08.08

Doppelganger
September 8th 2008



3124 Comments


nice soundoff

IsItLuck?
Emeritus
September 8th 2008



4927 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

[quote=sadmafioso]okay, but he wasn't an important enough facet of their sound to warrant a place in an overall summary of the album. [/quote]
You're making this a bigger deal than it really is. The fact of the matter is TSOAF are without Craig Owens, and the record happens to be a lot better overall, especially vocally. I'd say that's pretty important to note. I'm done arguing, I stick by my summary and the impact he had on both records

sadmafioso
September 8th 2008



318 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

he barely even did anyhthing

marksellsuswallets
September 8th 2008



4848 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Craig Owens wasn't on the first record unless I'm sadly mistaken...

sadmafioso
September 8th 2008



318 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

he wasn't

marksellsuswallets
September 8th 2008



4848 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I'm confused then...did he have an impact on that record by not being on it?

sadmafioso
September 8th 2008



318 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

ryan is just retarded

IsItLuck?
Emeritus
September 8th 2008



4927 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

He was on Lover, The Lord Has Left Us

marksellsuswallets
September 8th 2008



4848 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I knew that, but you said the impact he had on both records and that kind of threw me a little bit. I'm with you on that one though he really didn't belong there at all.

sadmafioso
September 8th 2008



318 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

how does lack of craig owens make the other vocalists better

i'm just trying to see why you're singling out craig owens as this huge problem other than the fact you don't like chiodos or something

IsItLuck?
Emeritus
September 8th 2008



4927 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

[quote=marksellsuswallets]I knew that, but you said the impact he had on both records and that kind of threw me a little bit. I'm with you on that one though he really didn't belong there at all.[/quote]
He had an impact on Lover, The Lord Has Left Us and his absence on The Ocean and the Sun.

[quote=sadmafioso]
how does lack of craig owens make the other vocalists better

i'm just trying to see why you're singling out craig owens as this huge problem other than the fact you don't like chiodos or something[/quote]
I never said he made the other vocalist better. My point is he isn't a good vocalist, therefore making Lover, the Lord... worse vocally than The Ocean and the Sun (regardless of how much he was on it, it was enough to notice).

I really didn't see this as a hard concept to grasp.This Message Edited On 09.08.08

cbmartinez
September 8th 2008



2525 Comments


chiodos sucks

ryan this band also sucks but good review

IsItLuck?
Emeritus
September 8th 2008



4927 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

thx bebe

brandtweathers
September 8th 2008



2007 Comments


if anything, the removal of owens is a welcome step back to their more enjoyable roots.
btw great couple of reviews ryan and again: baller job on lollapalooza

PatchworkNeurology
September 9th 2008



352 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I really enjoied your review so far out of all of them.
Well written and to the point.

I understand also about the Craig Owens thing, but honestly he was on two filler tracks and one full track(Un'Aria,Un'Aria Ancora, and Horses In the Sky).
He has an alright range for someone who clearly has no real vocal training, but lack in orignality behind his "Original" voice.

Chiodos is a generic band, but that doens't mean their bad people just have different tastes and thoughts.

I listen to all the bands that are huge in worship on this site, but I also love to listen to generic music(Ex. Chiodos, A Static Lullaby, new Against Me!, Coheed and Cambria, Circa Survive) since all this elite stuff makes my head spin too fast some times lol.

Becides that back to the point, great reivew and great album.

marksellsuswallets
September 9th 2008



4848 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Calling Coheed generic is pretty blasphemous...



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