Album Rating: 2.0
Depends on your definition of classical...
I know some people who consider Jimi Hendrix to be classical music ;)
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I know some people who consider Jimi Hendrix to be classical music
Quite frankly, those people are idiots.
I know what he's referring to. But I don't think playing sped-up Bach compositions as guitar solos counts as a classical influence.
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3.5/5 for me, it wasnt that bad.
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Album Rating: 2.0
They're kidding when they say this to me, personally I didn't even know this
playing sped-up Bach compositions as guitar solos
Interesting...
I'm afraid to listen to this album, I actually rather liked HCDT and AYDY, so it stands to reason I would like this but...
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Album Rating: 2.0
So Bach wasn't classical? Sounds like classical influence to me.
Either way, I'm a CoB fan and I listen to all the great composers like Bach, Vivaldi, Rachmaninov, Liszt, and Brahms. I still consider Bodom's earlier stuff highly classically influenced. They definitely use a lot of classical scales.
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So Bach wasn't classical? Sounds like classical influence to me.
If I'm in a hip-hop group and I sample a country song does that make me country-influenced? If I'm playing blues-chords, does it make me blues influenced? Sorry but speeding up classical compositions doesn't make you classically influenced, it makes you someone who's taken guitar lessons and can't write original material.
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"If I'm in a hip-hop group and I sample a country song does that make me country-influenced? If I'm playing blues-chords, does it make me blues influenced?"
yes
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No.
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Album Rating: 2.0
Yes, because CoB have never written any classical riffs of their own.
/sarcasm
I feel like you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. CoB's early material was clearly classically-influenced as many of their riffs were written using classical scales. That can't really be argued. It's like saying that just because they're metal they can't be classically influenced unless they have orchestra breaks where violins and cellos come in with Bach-esque scales.This Message Edited On 04.09.08
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I'm actually arguing because calling this band classically influenced or neo-classical is absolutely ridiculous. I don't care if classical music was an influence on them, it doesn't show in their music. I don't care if they use classical scales, that doesn't mean anything.
It's like saying that just because they're metal they can't be classically influenced unless they have orchestra breaks where violins and cellos come in with Bach-esque scales.
It's not like that at all but thanks for the laugh. This Message Edited On 04.09.08
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Album Rating: 2.0
Your welcome. Anyway, what the hell? In an argument you're supposed to make a point. You're supposed to give some backing and have some substance. Your argument is just a childish rant with you simply saying "ITS NOT THIS AND ITS NOT THAT BECAUSE I SAID SO!" Give me a break. Contrary to your belief, what you say is not fact simply because you say with an air of arrogance.
You can't even give a decent reason as to why you claim that Hatebreeder and Something Wild weren't classically-influenced? Sad. As a matter of fact, your argument even proves what you were arguing against. You said yourself that classical music was an influence on them.
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Album Rating: 2.0
No what does neo-classical even mean then?
And can someone give an example of a band that is clearly and inarguably classically influenced? and why are they so?
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i hear the human abstract is classical
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Kattun providing yet another worthy contribution. Eak, you can use classical scales, doesn't mean your music is classically influenced. Classical scales are commonplace, as are jazz scales, blues scales and the like. You're obviously misinterpreting my argument and your thinly veiled insults are not worth my time. Take it or leave it, you're not going to agree with me anyways so long as I'm arguing against an album you're so clearly biased towards.
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unless they meant it to be
IT'S ALL CLUES IN THE PUZZLE
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Album Rating: 2.0
I never called them neo-classical did I? I don't think I've ever used that term. The analogy doesn't work well either. I wasn't saying that CoB were influenced specifically by Bach or someone else. I said they were influenced by classical music. Also, CoB has never covered a classical song. Sure, they use some classical parts from old composers in their songs, but their songs are still their own and they also write original classical riffs.
Thrice may not have a real connection to the Beatles, but they do have a real connection to post hardcore. Wolves in the Throne Room weren't Pelican-influenced, but they are post rock influenced.
I understand what you're saying. Classical music doesn't involve fast electric guitars and harsh vocals, but I was simply saying it was an influence.
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Thrice may not have a real connection to the Beatles, but they do have a real connection to post hardcore.
Thus proving his point?
Wolves in the Throne Room weren't Pelican-influenced, but they are post rock influenced.
This has to do with what? WITTR have a palpable post-rock influence in their structuring that goes beyond a band using classical scales. Terrible logic.
I understand what you're saying. Classical music doesn't involve fast electric guitars and harsh vocals
I'm not saying this at all but thanks for putting words in my mouth.
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Album Rating: 2.0
Cocaine, yes I get the idea that blues scales are everywhere in music and it doesn't make a band blues influenced. Yes, all music ties together in some way. Classical is a pretty distinct genre, though. Blues scales can be used without a song sounding blues at all whereas when I hear a solo in a CoB using classical scales it immediately makes me think of Bach or something.
Basically, what I'm saying is that blues scales are so commonplace in music that they're really not even simply blues scales anymore. Classical scales are still pretty uncommon.
I'd like to add that my insults were thinly veiled for a reason. Your post was pointless as it made no arguments and you just ranted about nothing really. I was looking for valid claims and I got nothing.This Message Edited On 04.09.08
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Classical is a pretty distinct genre, though.
No it isn't. Classical isn't even a genre, it's a blanket term for a group of musical movements.
whereas when I hear a solo in a CoB using classical scales it immediately makes me think of Bach or something.
That's because those solos often start off as variations of existing classical compositions
Basically, what I'm saying is that blues scales are so commonplace in music that they're really not even simply blues scales anymore. Classical scales are still pretty uncommon.
The commonality of the scales isn't the concern, though. The argument pertains to the scales in the same way. The popularity of each set of scales, blues or classical, holds no baring on its influence. The argument I'm presenting is that using said scales does not equate to a significant enough classical influence to deem the band "classically influenced". Mentioning the commonality of blues vs classical scales is a straw-man you've created to support an argument that doesn't exist.
Your post was pointless as it made no arguments and you just ranted about nothing really. I was looking for valid claims and I got nothing.
No valid claims?
don't care if classical music was an influence on them, it doesn't show in their music. I don't care if they use classical scales, that doesn't mean anything.
Eak, you can use classical scales, doesn't mean your music is classically influenced. Classical scales are commonplace, as are jazz scales, blues scales and the like.
And those are all from this page. Stop trying to send me on a goose chase by rewording my arguments. It will not work.This Message Edited On 04.09.08
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Cocaine: On your internetz, dropping mad knowledge.
I remember when everyone was calling CoB and Wintersun neo-classical metal, and tbh it made a lot more sense to me than power metal, which I associated with bands like Gamma Ray, Helloween and Dragonforce and whatnot. But then everyone changed their minds and started referring to it as power metal so w/e. Album sounds pretty terrible, good review John. I haven't listened to CoB in aaaages.
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