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DFelon204409
Emeritus
November 12th 2007


3995 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Hey Subtle, out of curiosity what's your reaction to this album other than witty humorjokes about possible headlines.

SubtleDagger
November 12th 2007


737 Comments


Everything I've heard has sucked miserably and I would say i heard about half the album
It just depresses me to listen to them suck that bad so i generally can't make it much farther than that

DFelon204409
Emeritus
November 12th 2007


3995 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

I feel like everyone who was around for Irony Is a Dead Scene or earlier is just scratching his/her head.

SubtleDagger
November 12th 2007


737 Comments


It's just because Chris was the most important member of the band
The most interesting stuff on any of their albums is the drumwork, even when Patton was with them he couldn't outshine how nuts Chris was
And CI obviously was all about the drums

Tyler
Emeritus
November 12th 2007


7926 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

Chris was important because of how much he contributed to the songwriting, too. Plus he did most if not all of the electronics (correct me if I'm wrong), and they sound so forced on this as a result.

DFelon204409
Emeritus
November 12th 2007


3995 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

One aspect of CI that turned me off was that even though the drum work was insane from a technical standpoint, it felt colorless. Sometimes the other instruments suffered from this too. Because there are only vague tonal connections to the modes of limited transposition (hexatonic, octatonic, whole tone, etc.) that they love using instead of traditional tonal and modal ones, the sounds mush together a little bit. They sound foreign but the dissonance cannot be resolved in traditional fashions because there is a non-traditional tonality. In this way, the pitch-based content of CI is sometimes aurally directionless when repeated. This results in a lack of color. The drums too have this problem but from a rhythmic perspective. Since it's difficult to "catch" the more traditional concepts that are being played with in the rhythmic structures, the direction of the drumming is muddled. The result is obviously valuable in its right - the playing is ridiculously inventive and insane - but at the same time it loses it salient properties, not unlike a tonal gesture being drowned out by octatonic scales repeated ad infinitum, which happens a lot on CI. Miss Machine definitely balanced those two worlds out I think and produced an awesome result, though somewhat at the sacrifice at what I'll call the "insanity" of DEP. This album though goes way too much for "color" in all regards and really loses its visceral punch. The color is slapstick in the way the technicality could be slapstick on CI. Maybe their most balanced work in terms of the things I'm discussing is Irony Is a Dead Scene with Miss Machine as a close second.

pixiesfanyo
November 12th 2007


1223 Comments


CI is the best. There is no arguments. Burt and I share similar views on this album like most things.

IsItLuck?
Emeritus
November 13th 2007


4927 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

album cover artwork is atrocious.

SubtleDagger
November 13th 2007


737 Comments


yeah sorry but CI will always be the best, Dead Scene has too much typical Patton stuff on it (I mean Patton is OK but he overtakes the thing sometimes)
If you think CI does not have enough tonality or resolution or whatever the hell you're saying you honestly are missing the point, it's best that the only way you try to make sense of it is by listening to it a million times so it starts to become cohesive

DFelon204409
Emeritus
November 13th 2007


3995 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

No no no. I get that that's not the point of CI. However, you have to realize that all the members of DEP didn't magically grow up in a world where they never listened to tonal music and were able to abandon all tonal remnants. There are weird incongruous "colored" moments against the non-"colored" non-tonal moments. It's just weird and it's always made that album less to my ears. It's not as intelligently balanced on a pitch-based level as it could be. It's rigorous on a rhythm-based level as it lacks many traditional rhythmic remnants, but whatever, I know that pitch isn't the point.

SubtleDagger
November 13th 2007


737 Comments


I think you mean like the instrumental tracks and the western breaks in certain songs
I always thought those were just sort of theatrical to offset the crazy stuff

Jom
Staff Reviewer
November 13th 2007


2688 Comments


It's not a bad album, but it's a bad DEP album. My favorite songs have come from CI ("The Running Board" and "43% Burnt"), but it's like the twilight zone having a similar opinion to Jared and Burt, so I don't know what to make of that. There's some great stuff here ("82588," "Fix Your Face"), and while I did like what I heard from Miss Machine, I was a little bummed about this. Maybe it's a grower of an album.

br3ad_man
Emeritus
November 13th 2007


2125 Comments


You know, I was looking forward to this so much at the beginning of the year, but now I can't even be fucked listening to it once. The 3-4 songs I've heard online were so boring.

And I know it's probably intentional or whatever, but seriously worst cover art of the decade.

DFelon204409
Emeritus
November 13th 2007


3995 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

I actually really like the cover art. It reminds me a lot of Dark Side of the Moon. The geometric/symmetric aspects of the cover art sort of complement some aspects of DEP's music.

plane
Staff Reviewer
November 13th 2007


6094 Comments


I don't get the beef with the cover art, especially since Angels & Airwaves' new album just came out.

cometuesday
November 13th 2007


959 Comments


You don't like the Angels & Airwaves cover art?

StreetlightRock
Emeritus
November 13th 2007


3772 Comments


One aspect of CI that turned me off was that even though the drum work was insane from a technical standpoint, it felt colorless.


This. Insane technical skills and everything, but it felt all so useless.

THIS album on the other hand IS actually useless for a DEP one.

Digging: The Flaming Lips - With A Little Help From My Fwends

spoon_of_grimbo
November 13th 2007


2241 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

i might review this soon, i got it today, and aside from Irony Is a Dead scene (which was a patton-fest, part of the reason i like it), i've not heard much DEP. so from the point of view of someone who's not going to compare this to older albums, i'd probably give it a 3.5, after a day's listening.

i like the pop-metal tracks like black bubblegum and milk lizard though, but again, that's probably because of the patton-esque vocals, which are always a plus-point IMO.

spoon_of_grimbo
November 13th 2007


2241 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

obv. i'm going to listen to it a lot more before reviewing, before anyone starts flaming!

Abaddon2005
November 13th 2007


684 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Pretty good album, can't believe they used that cover art though.



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